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Title: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on August 26, 2018, 02:53:12 PM
So this was sort of inspired by a conversation the other day in Shoutbox about Cherry Treats and how hard it was for some folks to find one without discolouration.

This is a childhood pony for me and mine is still extremely white. So I got to thinking about whether this ties into the place of manufacture. My childhood pony is the Chinese made one with no forelock. I also have another one of these with her card/bubble/accessories and she is also still snow white. The perfume in the plastic has apparently had zero effect on either of them in terms of colouring.

I have seen a lot of tannish or beige ones on Ebay when looking for a HK one and it took a long time to get one because I was determined to get a white one. Now I have one, and she is white - but I got to wondering...

If you have a Cherry Treats, is she white or has she discoloured?

Also, if you can or know, can you note if she was made in China or in HK?

Finally, this is something I have theorised about from seeing something on ebay once but haven't managed to prove.

Does anyone have a Hong Kong Cherry Treats (with original hair) that does NOT have a forelock?

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Here are my childhood Cherry Treats and my HK one getting to know each other to kick off the thread and the comparisons...

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Also face on - L-R Hong Kong, China (Childhood) China
It's really clear that they were made with a different type of plastic, so I want to confirm whether this is something that can be directly tied to manufacture location or is also down to environment/batch.

Edit to add: I should mention that all 3 (Childhood, other China and HK) are still scented. I would say the strongest is the other China one as she is very unplayed with and mostly lives in her bubble taped to her card. My childhood one has faded in scent but it is still there. The HK one survived a thorough bath but she is the faintest of the three.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: BlushingBlue on August 26, 2018, 07:47:27 PM
All the Cherry Treatses (Cherries Treats?) I've owned have had forelocks and were in varying shades of ivory. I can't speak for the ones in the past, but the Cherry Treats I have on my shelf now is marked Hong Kong.

I'm curious about this forelock thing though. Are China-made Sweetberry ponies not supposed to have forelocks?
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on August 26, 2018, 10:02:47 PM
Blackberry Pie doesn't have one at all by dint of being a unicorn I think. I am unsure if China versions exist for Blueberry Baskets and Cranberry Muffins because they didn't get a full European release.

Raspberry Jam made in China also has no forelock, like Cherry Treats. (I'll put pics in spoiler tags so as not to derail):
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CHINA (no forelock)
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HONG KONG (forelock)

I don't think my Strawberry Surprise has one either but I also don't know if she is meant to anywhere as her curly hair makes it harder to tell in photos.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: kissthethunder on August 26, 2018, 11:55:14 PM
My China Cherry Treats is a bit discolored-
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Nienna on August 27, 2018, 12:09:20 AM
My Cherry Treats is pretty discoloured (cream to beige) and she was made in China, no forelock. I hope this doesn't immediately disprove your theory ;)

I got her from a friend who had her as a childhood pony, presumably bought in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: tootie_tails on August 27, 2018, 12:41:21 AM
I think it's the US ones (hong kong, forelock) that turn yellow or get an uneven brownish discolouration.
The ones sold in europe (china, no forelock) stay white longer and if they do get discoloured it's more often a gray-ish shade rather than typical yellowing.
The european ones seem to have a head body mismatch more often than the US ones. Then one part is white while the other part is that gray-ish shade.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Shaz on August 27, 2018, 01:06:04 AM
My Cherry Treats came to me from an English car boot sale, was made in China, and has no forelock. I remember when I found her, I was really impressed by what good condition she was in. She still smells strongly (luckily I like the smell!), and although not blindingly white she certainly has not yellowed. Seems like Europe got lucky with this pony!
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: NightGliderSA on August 27, 2018, 01:41:36 AM
I will follow this with great interest: though sadly I cannot contribute anything of value, sorry! I don't have her, but she is on my list. Thus the interested following.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on August 27, 2018, 05:39:45 AM
@Nienna & kissthethunder,  I'd rather have accurate intel so it's good to know there are some discoloured Chinese ones as well. The thing is that I didn't have to go looking for a Chinese one, because she was my childhood pony, so I only really noticed when the HK ones were discoloured as I was looking for one.

It seems to be a 100% China/no forelock  and HK/forelock at this point.

And most Chinese ones are not discoloured although a couple are and there's a possibility for mismatch on the Chinese one which is also interesting.

My childhood one isn't beiged and doesn't have mismatch. But when I look at them together, her plastic seems more matte somehow, more dense?

I also wonder if the HK one is made of the same plastic as some Starshines, Quackers and Gingerbreads are, or whether it is the scenting that discolours her. I have heard people talk of scent discolouring ponies but I've never looked into it enough to establish whether it is a major cause of problems or just some unlucky people...

I think at this stage if you're looking for a white Cherry Treats, you're more likely (but not guaranteed) to get one from Europe that's made in China.

And I will be watching my HK one carefully for any sign of discolouration as time passes.

This is a pony I like very much so understanding the processes that damage her is important I think. Has anyone had any luck repairing a beiged or tan one to get her back to white or is she a lost cause once she's started to turn?
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 27, 2018, 07:26:48 AM
I think the scent has something to do with breaking down the plastic in the browned ones... so I agree it's most certainly something to do with the different plastic batches...
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: flutterscotch on August 27, 2018, 07:54:46 AM
I have never in my life seen a Cherry Treats in person that could be considered a pristine white. The highlights in her eyes and baskets always look whiter.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 27, 2018, 07:57:02 AM
I'm in the USA and mine was purchased in the usa. Mine is still white; and she has always belonged to me, I purchased mine new back in the 80's. So she's never been played with or put in adverse conditions, other than I don't have my ponies in a cabinet, they're just on open air shelves in my bedroom. So she is exposed to dust, etc but no direct sunlight, etc.

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Post Merge: August 27, 2018, 07:57:40 AM

I have never in my life seen a Cherry Treats in person that could be considered a pristine white. The highlights in her eyes and baskets always look whiter.

Mine is.


I'll have to look when I get home on location, I don't know for sure on that.


Added more pic, whiter than my washing machine

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Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on August 27, 2018, 08:15:56 AM
I'm in the USA and mine was purchased in the usa. Mine is still white; and she has always belonged to me, I purchased mine new back in the 80's. So she's never been played with or put in adverse conditions, other than I don't have my ponies in a cabinet, they're just on open air shelves in my bedroom. So she is exposed to dust, etc but no direct sunlight, etc.

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I have never in my life seen a Cherry Treats in person that could be considered a pristine white. The highlights in her eyes and baskets always look whiter.

Mine is.




I can say with great confidence that my Chinese ones are as well.

Uni, I am going to put my neck out and say yours is HK, because she has that translucent quality to her plastic as well as the forelock. She is very pretty though :D *grabby hands* I want to add her to my army now O.O. xD.

My HK one is not discoloured either, although I am not sure she is quite as white as yours is.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 27, 2018, 08:37:02 AM
$4.99+ tax for a white, cherry treats.

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warning: not for sale :p
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on August 27, 2018, 08:41:56 AM
I'm always amazed when I go through the cards and see some of the price labels on the wretched things!

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I can offer this. This is my third Cherry, the second Chinese one. I tend to keep her like this in order to keep her safe but you can see the card has been taped back. Weirdly she has the wrap still around her face but when I got her her tail was braided with the ribbon in the end. It gives a good idea, though, of what the release looked like and how the ones without forelocks were packed. And she's still very white - the bubble has yellowed a bit but she hasn't.

 Staying in there...I don't know if it has helped her or if it has no effect, since my childhood one has been all over the place. She's been to school with me, she's been out and about and she's probably also hung out of my window on shoelaces because I went through a phase when my ponies bungee jumped.

I am wondering whether climate/humidity/storage conditions are also a factor.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: starstrider on August 27, 2018, 08:50:03 AM
The discolouration is precisely the reason why I don't have Cherry Treats yet.  She's the last pony I need for this set, but I'm yet to find one at a reasonable price who is more white than beige.  To be fair, she's not the only pony in this set who is prone to head/body colour mismatch or discolouration - Raspberry Jam and Blueberry Baskets are also commonly afflicted with these issues.  Perhaps it's just that Cherry Treats is so pale that the discolouration appears to be particularly pronounced with her. 
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: BlushingBlue on August 27, 2018, 09:42:20 AM
My China-made Blueberry Baskets has some explaining to do, because she definitely has a forelock (more like a cowlick)! But I checked my Strawberry Surprises, and my American one (marked HK) does have a forelock, and one I know is from Europe, and marked China, doesn't. I wonder if all US Sweetberries have forelocks, regardless of origin (we just happen to have majority HK), and only European ones have the China/HK divide? Does that sound possible?

Anyway, back on the proper topic, I can confirm for my own ponies that CT's "browning" is indistinguishable from Gingerbread's, and her plastic is very different from my "chalky" Starshine's. I haven't tried whitening her -- I actually hate to handle her because of her scent -- but I think anything that works for Gingerbread would work for CT too. (Out of curiosity, I'd be interested to know if your childhood CT glows blue under blacklight like most other white ponies, or if she's "dead" like Stark-shine and Sundance.)

I wouldn't say that the scenting causes the discoloration, but it certainly doesn't help.  (Maybe "catalyzes" would be more accurate?) I think the added effect of the scents on top of Hasbro opting for cheaper manufacturing overall contributes to the problems. Most of the scented sets in the 88-89 timeframe seem to be at risk for discoloration IME. Sundae Best not so much, but I've found that Sweetberries, Candy Canes, and Perfume Puffs often have issues. Or maybe I am just unlucky?
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Sunset on August 27, 2018, 09:54:17 AM
My Cherry Treats is very discolored.  She is marked China.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on August 27, 2018, 09:54:25 AM
None of my scented ponies are significantly discoloured. Although our Sundae Best are predominately made in China too (another thread discussion that, though...xD).

So Blueberry at least has a China version. I am of the opinion that it's not the case the US ONLY had HK and Europe ONLY had China (although the latter might be true as we got things later than the US release). I suspect it was a switchover in production so there are probably Chinese ones over there and that explains Blueberry.

BUT what you said about her having a forelock and being Chinese...there was an auction a while back with a Cherry Treats. And I can't remember which way around it was...either she was Chinese and had a forelock or was HK and didn't, but hadn't been rerooted. It was a US auction. That's one of the reasons I asked about it...and Blueberry suggests that the style Hasbro wanted for the US market was with a forelock - but not necessarily the same in Europe. We have a lot of later ponies without forelocks, thinking about it - Romance Ponies are a little later in the line, but they also have no forelocks. Nor do Cookery ponies, also a bit later again. Schooltime ponies as well. Flower Ponies, who may actually be at the same time as Sweetberry here.

It's a point of thought.

Sadly I don't have blacklight options, so won't be able to determine if my Cherry is a zombie ;) But she could be. Her plastic is definitely denser to look at.

And as you say, there are 2 versions of Starshine with different plastic, too...

@Sunset - did you get her from the US or outside? And does she have a forelock?
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 27, 2018, 10:20:50 AM
hummmmmm...

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Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on August 27, 2018, 10:24:46 AM
@Uni -You know I'm gonna ask you know if they are HK or China xD.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 27, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
@Uni -You know I'm gonna ask you know if they are HK or China xD.

I will take a look when I get home tonight. ;)

Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on August 27, 2018, 10:34:26 AM
@Uni -You know I'm gonna ask you know if they are HK or China xD.

I will take a look when I get home tonight. ;)



Yay,thank you. They are also really pretty :lovey: those mint curls :D

Branching out a bit into the other Sweetberries and the HK/China and forelock/not conversation, I just looked up what images I have on my page for some of the others.

http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/blueberry_baskets.htm

My loose Blueberry B doesn't seem to have a forelock but the MOC pictured clearly does. (@Ponyfan if you're reading, does your MOC have a forelock and where is she made?)

And both my loose Strawberry S and Shivhae's german MOC one don't seem to have forelocks here...
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/strawberry_surprise.htm

Whereas both my sister's loose Cranberry M and the MOC one pictured have forelocks here:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/cranberry_muffin.htm

My sister also has a Blueberry B but it is packed away and I am not sure I have a photo of her. I am also not sure where my loose one is made but the Blueberry puzzle is almost as interesting to me as the Cherry one considering Blueberry wasn't sold here.

Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: BlushingBlue on August 27, 2018, 01:23:13 PM
Unrelated to much, but now I'm dying to know...

Are blueberries and cranberries unpopular in Europe? Boysenberries are pretty niche, so I can understand the name change there, but I don't get why BB and CM got the axe over any of the others. I know Britain has certain popular fruit flavors that are rare in the US, like black currant, but is blueberry or cranberry too "American" to resonate with European children? (I mean, I know they are often literally American in origin, but...)
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: aria_elwen on August 27, 2018, 03:18:36 PM
Blueberries and cranberries aren't native fruits to the UK and so going back to the 80s would have been fairly exotic.

Cranberry juice is fairly well used and blueberries now are very popular but the other soft fruits all grow wild here and there's a tradition of hedgerow picking.

I have no clue what a Boysenberry even is :shrug:
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: BlushingBlue on August 27, 2018, 04:22:16 PM
Boysenberries are essentially a Californian cross of raspberries and blackberries. They are often too delicate to pack and ship to grocery stores as-is, so they're made into things like preserves or pies rather than eaten out of hand. The Knotts (of Knott's Berry Farm) made their fortune on the back of their boysenberry pies before they got into the amusement park business. I don't think that's common knowledge even for most Americans though. ^^;
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 27, 2018, 09:52:01 PM
Mine are all hoofstamped Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: ashlyne on August 28, 2018, 07:23:30 AM
Oh boy where to begin?     :drunk:

My Hong Kong Cherry Treats is a beautiful white 
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My China Cherry Treats has the nasty brown / yellowing issue. She has a forelock!
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I double-checked these last night, and confirmed that my China one with forelock is the bad one, my Hong Kong is the white one.   With the Sundae Best ponies I have, the China ones seem to be more pure and bright in color, the HK ones not so much, so I was surprised by these two.  Also, I've noticed too that a lot of China ponies don't have forelocks. But it's not the first time I've seen China release both versions -- the European Fancy Pants babies for example. I have a full set of four with and without short forelocks.

The yellow/browning issue looks more like it leaked out of her, like it's smeared on her. It's not a uniform discoloration.  Plasticizer, reacting with the chemicals in the scenting agents would be my guess.   Some ponies seem to be made with plastics that are more prone to leaking than others, or at least are more prone to discoloring.  I think plasticizer leakage can be brought on by environmental conditions (heating up or big changes in temperatures) so that might explain why some have the affliction and some don't.  But it's just a theory -- I'm no chemist!

As for the rest of my Sweetberry ponies, the link to my album is at the bottom, but here's the list.  I need to verify a couple of forelocks because the curly haired ponies forelocks are quite long.... it's sometimes hard to tell if they are forelocks! But here is what I've found:

1.  I'm pretty sure the whole set was released as Hong Kong with forelocks, China with forelocks, and China without forelocks.  Except the unicorn, which I haven't seen any version with forelock. 

2. China with forelocks may have been a US release but I'm pretty sure those without are more European.  My China with forelocks set was bought from a US collector and I believe it was her childhood set.

3. I think China without forelocks are less prone to the browning issue, whether it's their plastic, the scenting agent, both or something else.   My HK ponies are the result of long searches and lucky finds. Usually they aren't this nice!

4.  Most of the ponies have PAT PEND on the hoof, both China and Hong Kong.   I do have at least one that is not PAT PEND, a Boysenberry Pie from Germany (or whatever name she went by).


Cherry Treats - Hong Kong - forelock - not discolored
Cherry Treats - China - forelock - badly discolored
Cranberry Muffins - Hong Kong - forelock - not discolored
Cranberry Muffins - China - forelock? - *slightly* discolored (I used to have a badly discolored one)
Strawberry Surprise - Hong Kong - forelock - not discolored
Strawberry Surprise - China - forelock - slight yellowing
Blueberry Baskets - Hong Kong - forelock - not discolored
Blueberry Baskets - China - forelock - slight yellowing
Raspberry Jam - Hong Kong - forelock - yellowing
Raspberry Jam - China - forelock - discoloration (neck and body) Head is not affected!
Raspberry Jam - China - no forelock - not discolored
Boysenberry Pie - Hong Kong - (no forelock) - bright intense purple!
Boysenberry Pie - China - (no forelock) - dull purple, likely discolored and/or yellowed
Boysenberry Pie - China - (no forelock) - NO PAT PEND! - light purple, not discolored or faded

This last Boysenberry Pie came from Germany. I need to see if there was never any PAT PEND mark or if it was melted off, like I've seen on several German ponies.   I think this pale purple one may be a variant specific to Germany, kind of like pale Speedy  is. But I don't know this for sure. 


ALBUM OF SWEETBERRY PONIES
(C=China, HK=Hong Kong, PP=Pat.Pend, NPP=no Pat Pend, all other notes are about flaws)
https://onedrive.live.com/embed?cid=2BB843F02DEF779C&resid=2BB843F02DEF779C%212050&authkey=AIP90Fy8STYYQyw
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Safflower on August 28, 2018, 07:32:18 AM
Mine is HK, has a forelock, and is slightly discolored. The lot she came in was very baity and all had the same childhood home, so she's been through a lot.

ashlyne, your HK one looks to have very thick eyeliner, like the eyeliner was double stamped?
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: ashlyne on August 28, 2018, 07:35:55 AM
ashlyne, your HK one looks to have very thick eyeliner, like the eyeliner was double stamped?

I think you mean my China one?   I don't think it's double-stamped. It's all solid.  I've seen other ponies with thick eyeliner like that ;)
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Safflower on August 28, 2018, 07:44:32 AM
ashlyne, your HK one looks to have very thick eyeliner, like the eyeliner was double stamped?

I think you mean my China one?   I don't think it's double-stamped. It's all solid.  I've seen other ponies with thick eyeliner like that ;)
Yes, I did mean the China one xD That's interesting then, I haven't seen that. Thank you :)
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Leikin on August 29, 2018, 04:36:16 AM
Cherry Treats is one of my all time favourite ponies. I love this set :)

My childhood CT is not discoloured as I remember, and not sure, but probably China, as I'm in Europe. Dont remember the forelock bit though. 
My MOC is discoloured, and on US card, but cant say where she was made.

These topics are really interesting, and it makes me sad that all my ponies are packed away, so I cant really contribute. But will follow with interest :)
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: CherryTreats on September 04, 2018, 02:46:37 AM
Cherry Treats is my favorite pony. :) I love seeing all the beautiful pics of her! I don't consider any Cherry Treats bright, pure white like some white ponies are. I think age/type of plastic/scent tends to discolor her, though age alone can make some white ponies look duller. I wish they'd make a bright white retro unscented version of her. I think my made in China one does look a bit whiter. She has no forelock and does seem like a different plastic. Hong Kong ones I have do have a forelock. My childhood one who was played with a lot is not very white. A very long time ago someone once told me that made in China Cherry Treats is white and smells like cherries and the Hong Kong one is prone to discoloration/turning tan and smells like play-dough. Mine do smell different and I tend to think China ones are more likely to be white. I didn't realize there is one made in China that has a forelock--interesting! Was Cherry Treats ever in pony comics? Someone told me she was, but I've never seen a pic.

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Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on September 04, 2018, 02:51:51 AM
Wow, thanks for all of those images and comparisons!

The Chinese forelock pony is curious to me as well. I'm kind of glad to know she does exist and I didn't imagine her, but explaining why she does is really annoying xD. I think it must just be that Hasbro in the US wanted forelocks and Hasbro in Europe didn't care, and the HK ones maybe happened first and then manufacture shifted to China and the European ones (which came out a year later) were therefore all China.

That would also explain why there are both Chinese and HK versions of Blueberry baskets, and maybe Cranberry Muffins as well. It's that 1988ish time period where we see that HK/China thing for other sets as well (Sundae Best, Summer Wing, etc) so that would maybe make sense? (scrabbles at clues).

@CherryTreats, I'm pretty sure she is in the comic. I am not sure she had a major role. I remember Blackberry (Boysenberry) Pie having a cover story episode that went on a bit, but I usually took note of my childhood ponies when they appeared and I can't right now remember for Cherry. I think she was maybe on a cover...LM's scans may help with this more than my memory, though...
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: CherryTreats on September 08, 2018, 07:46:30 PM
You're welcome, Taffeta! That explanation for the Chinese forelock pony makes sense to me. I would love to find a Chinese forelock one. I'm so glad she was in the comics, even if she did not have a major role. I hope someday I can see or buy the comics that have her in them. That would be awesome if she's on the cover of the one with Blackberry/Boysenberry Pie. I will have to keep a look out for that one. I noticed the sweetberry ponies appearing on some merchandise in recent years, like a dress, shirt, and shoes. And the pony postcard set I got recently had one postcard with the sweetberry backcard so I'm very happy about that.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Khoufu on September 08, 2018, 11:48:00 PM
Cherry Treats was one of my very first ponies, and my first full size white pony (McD's G2s aside). She's even un my avatar. Mine is HK with forelock. She's a bit dull but not my worst white pony by far. Eventually I'll have to line up my white pony hoard by brightness.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on September 09, 2018, 02:11:04 AM
That would be awesome if she's on the cover of the one with Blackberry/Boysenberry Pie. I will have to keep a look out for that one.


I had a quick look through the pictures I have of my pony comics (which are far inferior to the scans other people have) and she's on the cover of 128 and with Blackberry Pie on the cover of 138 as well. Here you go :)
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Ironically, she has a forelock ;)

But then most of the comic pictures were done either from the prototypes or the US release that was already out in stores. We didn't get Sweetberry ponies till around 1990ish I don't think...so a lot later than the 1988 release in the US. The second comic is certainly dated 1990 and that makes sense with my memory.

I am also now wondering how they are pictured on the UK insert. And whether it's 1990 or 1991 I have in Hasbro catalogues...because this was the annoying year when the whole set wasn't pictured on backs of cards :/
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: CherryTreats on September 09, 2018, 02:47:11 AM
Wow, thank you so much, Taffeta!  :) I love those! That's funny she has the forelock. That's interesting how you didn't get the Sweetberry ponies there until 1990. I'm not sure exactly what you mean regarding how they are pictured on the insert/back of Cherry Treats card. Do you mean US Cherry Treats? I can't seem to remember an insert that has her on it. Is there an insert she is on?

I had a quick look through the pictures I have of my pony comics (which are far inferior to the scans other people have) and she's on the cover of 128 and with Blackberry Pie on the cover of 138 as well. Here you go :)
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Ironically, she has a forelock ;)

But then most of the comic pictures were done either from the prototypes or the US release that was already out in stores. We didn't get Sweetberry ponies till around 1990ish I don't think...so a lot later than the 1988 release in the US. The second comic is certainly dated 1990 and that makes sense with my memory.

I am also now wondering how they are pictured on the insert/back of Cherry Treats' card. And whether it's 1990 or 1991 I have in Hasbro catalogues...
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on September 09, 2018, 02:55:47 AM
Wow, thank you so much, Taffeta!  :) I love those! That's funny she has the forelock. That's interesting how you didn't get the Sweetberry ponies there until 1990. I'm not sure exactly what you mean regarding how they are pictured on the insert/back of Cherry Treats card. Do you mean US Cherry Treats? I can't seem to remember an insert that has her on it. Is there an insert she is on?

I had a quick look through the pictures I have of my pony comics (which are far inferior to the scans other people have) and she's on the cover of 128 and with Blackberry Pie on the cover of 138 as well. Here you go :)
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Ironically, she has a forelock ;)

But then most of the comic pictures were done either from the prototypes or the US release that was already out in stores. We didn't get Sweetberry ponies till around 1990ish I don't think...so a lot later than the 1988 release in the US. The second comic is certainly dated 1990 and that makes sense with my memory.

I am also now wondering how they are pictured on the insert/back of Cherry Treats' card. And whether it's 1990 or 1991 I have in Hasbro catalogues...

I think there may be a UK one, but I can't 100% remember if they are included or not without having my folder in front of me. I know that Cherry Treats is also in the advert for the petite ponies...

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Note, no forelock.. ;)

As for the card, I meant the UK one but I had forgotten till I checked my images that this is the year where they show one example from each set instead of the full set (and the Sweetberry shown is Blackberry Pie) so it's not helpful. The US one is a drawing, but I was thinking of photo advertising...

Edit: I found what I was thinking of, it is this:

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Hasbro should be ashamed of calling that a forelock though. Seriously, make up your minds...
And that is also 1990. So much later than the US release.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: CherryTreats on September 09, 2018, 03:34:56 AM
Thanks for all the pics, Taffeta! :D I'd have liked them to make a petite CT. I'm saving all these pics and am so glad to have them! I love that new in ponyland photo one! The forelock in that one is so funny! It kinda looks like they took one without a forelock and tried to make a forelock. 
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on September 09, 2018, 03:41:41 AM
Thanks for all the pics, Taffeta! :D I'd have liked them to make a petite CT. I'm saving all these pics and am so glad to have them! I love that new in ponyland photo one! The forelock in that one is so funny! It kinda looks like they took one without a forelock and tried to make a forelock. 


I think that is exactly what they did ;D
I'm glad you like the images. Like I said, I tended to notice when one of my childhood ponies was in a story or an advert as a kid, it made me kind of proud to have that pony. I think she's only in the petite one for size comparison, but it is interesting that it is her. And you wonder if it's the same one as the one who got the makeshift forelock in the other photo or a different one completely. Because we were so much later with the set, I am pretty sure all this advertising was done with really close to release ponies, actual release ready ones or ones from the US.

She has a forelock in your avatar from the UK card as well, which begs the question at which point did Hasbro Uk give up, wave the white flag and just decide to go forelock free with this set...
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Khoufu on September 09, 2018, 07:30:26 AM
Pure white Cherry Treats looks like an imposter to me, kinda the same way I see Merry Treats.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: ashlyne on September 09, 2018, 09:05:16 AM

The Chinese forelock pony is curious to me as well. I'm kind of glad to know she does exist and I didn't imagine her, but explaining why she does is really annoying xD. I think it must just be that Hasbro in the US wanted forelocks and Hasbro in Europe didn't care, and the HK ones maybe happened first and then manufacture shifted to China and the European ones (which came out a year later) were therefore all China.

I suspect that's the case.

By the way, the mail order pearly babies are another set of three variations like this:   HK with forelock, China with forelock, and China without forelock.   ;)

Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on September 09, 2018, 09:08:09 AM

The Chinese forelock pony is curious to me as well. I'm kind of glad to know she does exist and I didn't imagine her, but explaining why she does is really annoying xD. I think it must just be that Hasbro in the US wanted forelocks and Hasbro in Europe didn't care, and the HK ones maybe happened first and then manufacture shifted to China and the European ones (which came out a year later) were therefore all China.

I suspect that's the case.

By the way, the mail order pearly babies are another set of three variations like this:   HK with forelock, China with forelock, and China without forelock.   ;)



Interesting. I need to check which mine are. And we never had those here, so this one is all Hasbro US being weird ;) But I do suspect the production order may be the order you just stated. HK forelock, China forelock, China without. It would fit with the much later 1990s Sweetberries here, and the fact that subsequent sets over here like Romances, 7 Characters etc also all lacked forelocks.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 11, 2018, 06:42:25 AM
Most of the US sets from 1990 onward didn't have forelocks any more.  So if the Sweetberry set came out around then in the UK, that would make sense . . .  The China ones with forelocks might have been the very earliest ones made for the UK, or simply leftover US stock.

For the US sets, I've never had one without a forelock pass through my hands from thrifting, with the exception of Boysenberry Pie.  (But that is because unicorns almost never have forelocks.)

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but there's a Petite pony advertisement that has Cherry Treats in it (for scale.)  I think she's the version with a forelock.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on September 11, 2018, 06:52:41 AM


I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but there's a Petite pony advertisement that has Cherry Treats in it (for scale.)  I think she's the version with a forelock.

I posted it above ;) She has no forelock in it. But she does in the other ad I posted.

Chinese ones with forelock seem to be only in the US, so I don't think it has anything to do with our line. But the 1990 threshold is a possibility. Though we had baby fancy pants with forelocks in around the same year of the Sweetberries, and forelocks in stand out colours as well...even where the US ones didn't. And they were also Chinese, rather than Thai. Some stuff clearly happened around 1990.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 11, 2018, 07:02:11 AM
The baby ponies of 1990 - 1991 had forelocks, like the Baby Ballerina sets.  But none of the adults that year.  I think all the babies the next year didn't have forelocks, like the Tropical Babies.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on September 18, 2018, 05:48:34 AM
The baby ponies of 1990 - 1991 had forelocks, like the Baby Ballerina sets.  But none of the adults that year.  I think all the babies the next year didn't have forelocks, like the Tropical Babies.

The 1990 UK Hasbro catalogue begs to differ on that timeline...the Candy Canes and SHS all have forelocks and the actual ponies do too. I'm aware they're earlier ponies in the US, but that time dynamic doesn't work with Europe because the release schedules aren't quite as pinpoint over here.

In any case, now I'm here with my stuff, I can confirm that Cherry Treats, Strawberry Surprise and Raspberry Jam all appear in the 1990 Hasbro catalogue with forelocks. And Cherry Treats also appears with a forelock in the photo for the Show Stable. But I imagine those images were taken using what was already in US production. The same catalogue shows purple haired Baby Splashes...

Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 18, 2018, 06:26:41 AM
The original Sweetheart Sisters, the Prom Queen Sisters, and the Glittery Sweetheart Sisters were for the year 1989 - 1990.  I'm talking about the year after that (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Category:Year_Nine_(1990-1991)), 1990 - 1991, Year 9.

It does get a little confusing when both have "1990" as part of them, but I'm talking about in terms of production years.
Title: Re: Cherry Treats & Discolouration
Post by: Taffeta on September 18, 2018, 07:10:17 AM
The original Sweetheart Sisters, the Prom Queen Sisters, and the Glittery Sweetheart Sisters were for the year 1989 - 1990.  I'm talking about the year after that (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Category:Year_Nine_(1990-1991)), 1990 - 1991, Year 9.

It does get a little confusing when both have "1990" as part of them, but I'm talking about in terms of production years.

I'm talking in terms of production years too, though, just UK ones. I'm working from Hasbro UK's own list here, but Hasbro in the UK catalogued their pony production by calendar years. Even though it's a bit fluid in places, I use that as my benchmark for releases over here, so I am in fact talking about 1990 as a production year. Not 1989-90 and not 1990-1, but 1990 as per Hasbro UK's records.

Just to illustrate how the US timeline doesn't apply here, I had Starflash for Christmas 1991 and I bought Wild Flower with my Christmas money a few days later. According to Hasbro UK's list and the only production catalogue I own, Wild Flower is 1990 (but still available clearly in 1991!). The list says Starflash is 1991, which is backed up by advertising.

I think the key thing here about the forelocks isn't so much what the US release schedule was, because in general the UK didn't follow it. What seems to matter  with the Sweetberry set vs the other sets is not that the other sets came out before 1990 in the US. It's the lack of continuation. The Sweetberry Ponies were the last scented set really to come to the UK. That's how I remember them, as the last ones of the four sets. But that doesn't fit with the US release at all. There is a gap in production between US (1988-1989) and UK (1990). There isn't a gap in production between 1989-90 (US) and 1990 in terms of the other sets.

So basically the Sweetberry production probably began again from scratch, using the old designs but whatever was the style that ponies in CHina were starting to show around 1990. I think that's the real explanation here. That there was no continuation for that set, whereas with the others, there was.

Why that happened, I wouldn't like to guess. But clearly they shelved the Sweetberry idea for a year here. Maybe because they were still selling Sundae Best ponies in 1989? I'm not sure.

Hasbro UK's trade catalogue lists them as new for 1990. It says the same about the basic SHS and the Candy Canes, too. I think it must be about continuation vs new production. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Technically over here the baby ballerinas also belong to 1992, by which time of course adult forelocks really are a thing of the past...but there are a ton of OTHER variations going on instead ><
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