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Quote from: banditpony on October 03, 2018, 03:38:11 PMQuote from: CinnamonOnions on October 03, 2018, 03:17:59 PM Also poverty wouldn't be that big of a limit for pony distribution, cheap licenced ponies after all made their way to even Colombia, and some better ones to Mexico. Venezuela apparently was more stable then so not counting it.Do we know anything about the price points for Columbian or Venezuelan ponies or how affordable they were to the general population?Nope. Though I assume mexicans were pretty affordable, since they don't seem to be that rare at all. I know a site that has a scan of a colombian toy catalogue with ponies in it, but the picture is too blurry to read.
Quote from: CinnamonOnions on October 03, 2018, 03:17:59 PM Also poverty wouldn't be that big of a limit for pony distribution, cheap licenced ponies after all made their way to even Colombia, and some better ones to Mexico. Venezuela apparently was more stable then so not counting it.Do we know anything about the price points for Columbian or Venezuelan ponies or how affordable they were to the general population?
Also poverty wouldn't be that big of a limit for pony distribution, cheap licenced ponies after all made their way to even Colombia, and some better ones to Mexico. Venezuela apparently was more stable then so not counting it.
Quote from: CinnamonOnions on October 04, 2018, 04:37:09 AMQuote from: banditpony on October 03, 2018, 03:38:11 PMQuote from: CinnamonOnions on October 03, 2018, 03:17:59 PM Also poverty wouldn't be that big of a limit for pony distribution, cheap licenced ponies after all made their way to even Colombia, and some better ones to Mexico. Venezuela apparently was more stable then so not counting it.Do we know anything about the price points for Columbian or Venezuelan ponies or how affordable they were to the general population?Nope. Though I assume mexicans were pretty affordable, since they don't seem to be that rare at all. I know a site that has a scan of a colombian toy catalogue with ponies in it, but the picture is too blurry to read.Please don't assume things then if you have nothing to base it off of. :/
I can't help much with the other countries, but in the early 90s I had relatives in Hungary send me ponies in the mail. The year after I received a Vanilla Treat (with proper accessories and the normal pamphlet) in an English language Hairdo Ponies box.
Quote from: banditpony on October 04, 2018, 02:00:56 PMQuote from: CinnamonOnions on October 04, 2018, 04:37:09 AMQuote from: banditpony on October 03, 2018, 03:38:11 PMQuote from: CinnamonOnions on October 03, 2018, 03:17:59 PM Also poverty wouldn't be that big of a limit for pony distribution, cheap licenced ponies after all made their way to even Colombia, and some better ones to Mexico. Venezuela apparently was more stable then so not counting it.Do we know anything about the price points for Columbian or Venezuelan ponies or how affordable they were to the general population?Nope. Though I assume mexicans were pretty affordable, since they don't seem to be that rare at all. I know a site that has a scan of a colombian toy catalogue with ponies in it, but the picture is too blurry to read.Please don't assume things then if you have nothing to base it off of. :/With these things we often can only assume. Mexico as far as I know wasn't even back then all that welle conomicaly, so toys that there seems to be a fair amount of still around by sense probably can not have been too expensive. I know it's only a quess. I'm sorry.
Quote from: Rhaegar on October 04, 2018, 04:49:21 PMI can't help much with the other countries, but in the early 90s I had relatives in Hungary send me ponies in the mail. The year after I received a Vanilla Treat (with proper accessories and the normal pamphlet) in an English language Hairdo Ponies box. ...You have my attention. How the heck did that happen? Very weird but very cool.
I'm from Budapest and the majority of ponies that most European countries had were available here. I'm also pretty sure that the alternate birthflower ponies were available here as well, because I used to find them regularly at the flea market.
The history of pony distribution is certainly fascinating....and often frustrating! I've been Googling in multiple languages and looking through eBay-type sites in search of more information. I can't believe how much G4 I've seen, it's everywhere!Anyway, here's my summaries so far. Of course some of it is just conjecture, so feel free to correct me if necessary.SpoilerThese European countries had G1 ponies: Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK.These countries had the MLP n Friends cartoon, and may also have had other media such as the film, comics, books, but do not seem to have had any toys: Poland, Russia, Czech Republic and Slovakia, Lithuania, possibly Bulgaria.The movie exists in Bulgarian, but I haven't been able to find out when it was released there.It is possible that the Russian dub was also shown in Belarus and Ukraine.I found a list online (only on a Wikipedia type site, "fullwiki" I think, so not sure how much faith can be put into it) claiming that MLP n Friends was translated into the following languages: Chinese, Czech, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese(?!), Lithuanian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Swedish. I have definitely seen bits of it in Czech, Greek, Hungarian and Russian.These countries probably had no G1 ponies: Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Slovenia.These countries I don't know about yet, but I have my doubts about them having G1 ponies: Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine.My main interest is in G1, but I've been seeing other gens around too, and have reached the following conclusions, which, again, I'm up for being corrected on if necessary:SpoilerEuropean countries that had G2 ponies: Austria(?), Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK.European countries that had G3 ponies: Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Macedonia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK.Belarus MAY have had G3: I've seen a lot of G3 style fakies and some merch which looks genuine. Ukraine seems to have had a similar situation, this may be the gen that Taffeta remembers a Russian collector saying they had to import from Ukraine, but that's really just guesswork.
I've also never heard of G1 animation being actually aired in Japan in Japanese. G4 was, but not G1.(Japan in spoilers as it is somewhat OT) SpoilerWhen we were kids, and my mother was teaching Japanese businessmen and sometimes their wives, my sister and I often played with the kids. At least one of them was mad keen on ponies. She was the same age as my sister, so she'd be 31 now. The general consensus from the mothers of these kids was that there was no MLP in Japan. They didn't know about Takara either, but then given the age of this kid, she would've been too young anyway. But while there is a glut of G1 and G3 ponies up for sale on second hand sites like the Yahoo auctions, that has to be taken with a pinch of salt. A lot of Japanese families spend extended periods in other countries due to the business of mostly father (occasionally mother). One of my mother's former students lived here for four years, then in Texas, and is now back in Japan. The family I mention above were here for a spell of about 5 years, then went to China, and are now back in Japan (I spent some time with them when I was over there last year, and they've relocated around Japan as well since then).So it's really quite normal for Japanese kids to pick up foreign toys and take them back. Maybe also foreign VHS, and an interest in G1. But I am not aware of there being any natively Japanese attempt to produce or transmit this stuff. I can understand why there'd be a G1 fandom in Japan, but I don't think it came from Japan. If that makes any sense at all!And this really isn't Europe, but when I first had the Takara leaflet scans sent to me in around 1998 or 1999, I did try to find out if there was anything else. And since I learned Japanese, I have kept my eyes open - but I haven't seen anything like the Chinese books LM posted above.It's not impossible and I would love to be proven wrong. But I feel like G1 interest in Japan came from outside in because of the way Japanese business works. Before the bubble burst, Japan was very economically viable and so a lot of Japanese companies and individuals ended up abroad. I feel like it's more likely a symptom of diaspora than anything else.When I was in Japan there wasn't even anything G4 except the odd plush and some Pez toys. I saw Monster High in the second hand stores, but I didn't see MLP. I know MLP has been found there, but mostly in Tokyo, I think - I was in Kansai and mostly Kyoto, and I didn't see anything.*pretends Japan is now in Europe* Regarding the Hungary information - I think the key thing is when did it start over there. We've got a range of dates for other European countries from 1983ish to around 1985. It would be neat to know if Hungary fit into that category.Finding the BF ponies there is also interesting...in a completely random way. But then Vanilla Treat in a hairdo box is quite random, so.For the record, we really still don't know even that much about Ireland. Bits and pieces every so often, but not anything properly coherent. Aware that isn't Eastern Europe, but just putting it out there to underscore that we have big European gaps.And people wonder why I get so annoyed that people have spent 20 years focused only on the US system. Sigh.
We have wandered beyond Eastern Europe a bit now, but I really don't mind .http://www.thefullwiki.org/My_Little_Pony_%28TV_series%29#Overseas_Editions - Fullwiki's list of MLP n Friends in translation. According to them, the Japanese version was called Kun Dono Sotyou. I did do a bit of a double-take when I saw Japan mentioned! It seems so unlikely that I haven't liked to put too much faith in that list.Meanwhile, the Polish translation sounds, um, strange: "A single voice artist translated all dialogue, over the still-audible American actors."Ireland does seem a bit of an unknown. I mean, they had ponies, and that's about all I know so far! I realised earlier that I know more about ponies in Greece than in the country that's right next door to mine .