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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 11, 2018, 12:13:51 PM »
Thanks everyone for your support and understanding.  I'm glad this all seems as crazy to you as it does to me.

Things seem to be mostly resolved now.  I contacted eBay and asked them to remove the seller defect.  They said it would be done by the end of the week, although I've repeatedly checked my account and it doesn't look like it was ever applied in the first place. (Finally, their incompetence is working in my favour for once.)

The buyer refunded me the initial refund that I sent her.

I contacted eBay and asked them to refund my fees.  They refunded the fees for one auction and not the other (it was a two-pony purchase).  I then asked them to refund the second auction and they did so but not the shipping fees.  I have emailed them a third time to get the shipping fees refunded. 

I've decided not to try explaining things further to the buyer, I'm fairly sure she just thinks I'm trying to scam her and I don't blame her for thinking that, if someone told me they had no way to refund me after I opened a case, I would probably think that too.  I'll just leave it alone.

I considered writing a formal letter of complaint to eBay about their customer service, but decided against it as it won't do any good.  Their customer service department is an area of the business that makes them no money, it is just an overhead that they want to spend as little as possible on.  Their customer service will always be terrible and will never get any better.  I had a bad feeling from the start when I was advised to make an unsecured friends and family payment with no link to the eBay transaction.  The customer service reps are given the minimum possible training, and as I have come to realise,  don't necessarily know more than I do.  Next time I'll trust my own judgement.

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 08, 2018, 06:40:36 PM »
I see another phone call in your future unfortunately. I'm so sorry this has occurred. It would be helpful if there was a help desk for NZ sellers. Hopefully you are able to resolve this matter soon. It seems like it shouldn't be this complicated for eBay.

I'm seeing another phone call in my future too. I responded to the email telling them that the buyer was unlikely to close the case as they were trying to extract more funds from me, and received another message saying they would get back to me within 72 hours.

Their customer service is a complete shambles - it seems that no one knows what they're doing, and cases are handled by dozens of different people with no cohesion.  You speak to two different people and get two completely different answers.  If they just trained everyone in the same way and had the different departments actually communicate with each other, people might not have to spend hours on the phone trying to fix things.  It would be helpful if they had an NZ help desk as international lines aren't great and it's difficult to hear what they are asking sometimes which drags it out even longer.  Will try again tomorrow I guess. 

On a positive note, I feel I have enough evidence and file notes lodged on eBay's side now that if they buyer does ask eBay to step in and resolve things, there's a decent chance it will be in my favour.  But again, not holding my breath.


Latest update:

After much back-and-forth from eBay, they told me that the screenshot I sent them was valid proof of the refund, and while they could not close the case right away, it would be closed in my favour on the 10th. 

A couple of hours later, the buyer escalated the case.  I felt fairly confident as I had it in writing from eBay that the case would be closed in my favour.

Overnight last night, the case was closed in the buyer's favour and her money was refunded, even though I'd already refunded her. 

There was also an email in my inbox from a different customer service rep, who told me that the screenshot was not valid as the amount was different (I had by this time explained this to eBay a dozen times about currencies, you'd think an international sales site might realise that different countries use different currencies by now)!  She also said that the user in the screenshot was different to the ebay user - what??? I responded and told her to look again at the screenshot, the user was the same, and that I had it in writing from ebay that the screenshot was valid and the case would be closed in my favour, and yet the opposite had happened.

I then received a generic copy and paste response telling me how to appeal a case decision.

I feel eBay have well and truly screwed me over at this point.  Not only have the funds been refunded twice, they haven't done a single thing that they said they'd do, and now I have a seller defect to my name, despite spending hours trying to avoid this, and receiving written assurance this wouldn't happen.

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 08, 2018, 05:54:32 PM »
And the latest - eBay have just emailed me saying I should check that the buyer has received the refund and ask her to close the case.

Despite telling me repeatedly that they would close the case once they received the screenshot.

*facepalm*

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 08, 2018, 03:55:38 PM »
In response to my email to eBay, I received an email saying they would arrange a callback for me within 24 hours.  They called me this morning and I explained the issue.  Told me it was PayPal's problem (which it isn't, it's eBay who hasn't followed through and closed the case) and said they needed confirmation from PayPal that the refund had been made (which was already given to them in the phone call last week).  Told me they would make a three-way call to PayPal, but ended up transferring me instead!

I explained to PayPal what happened, and they released the held funds. If they had just done that last week when I asked, I would have been able to refund the buyer that way!  After they did that, I asked them to transfer me back to eBay so I wouldn't have to request another phone call.  The lady told me that PayPal don't transfer calls, and that she could lose her job if she did.  Uhh, but the person I spoke to at PayPal last week could!

So, after 46 minutes, I had to hang up and request another call from eBay.  Fortunately they called within five minutes.  The person I spoke to said she needed proof of the payment, and asked for a screenshot.  She emailed me with a link and asked me to upload the screenshot.  I did so while she was on the phone.  She said it would take up to another 24 hours for them to receive the screenshot and close the case in my favour, and to call back then if the case still wasn't closed.  I'm not holding my breath.

That phone call took 29 minutes.  I have now spent 147 minutes on the phone trying to fix this mess.

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 07, 2018, 03:22:50 PM »
Since you sent your item to Russia (I see the currency was in rubles), did the buyer even allow enough time for the item to arrive before filing a claim? I know that it can take months for items from the U.S. to arrive there so I can only imagine it will take as long to arrive. I will bet that they still get the item in the mail and they are jumping the gun on this demanding a refund.

At this point you probably just want to be done with this. So let's hope you can do just that if eBay steps in.

It's been almost two months.  Items have taken up to six weeks in the past, I've posted to Russia several times.  I expect it could still arrive but has been delayed by the holiday period.

But yes, at this point I am over it and would just like the case closed and my fees refunded.

I have sent a statement of events in response to the buyer's message, heavily abridged due to the 1000 character restriction.  I am expecting her to ask eBay to step in later today.   

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 07, 2018, 12:15:47 PM »
Thanks for the advice.  As she can ask eBay to step in today, I will respond to the case with a summary of what has occurred so far including the PayPal transaction reference. Hopefully eBay will actually read it before making a decision.

I feel for the buyer and don't think she should be disadvantaged by failures on eBay and PayPal's part, but I shouldn't have to pay more than the auction amount, I am already losing the sales money and have spent hours of my own time trying to resolve this. 

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 06, 2018, 01:20:45 PM »
I would explain to the buyer the situation and ask her maybe if there was a way for them to contact eBay about the refund since they are in the U.S. It's a long shot, but if they are understanding about your situation they may work with you.

The buyer has been OK to work with, but I'm also dealing with a language barrier.  It's probably best if I refrain from asking her to take any action as there's a chance it could be misinterpreted.  I have explained to her any difference in the amount she paid/received is due to exchange rates. 

Edited to add:

This is a nightmare.  The buyer has responded "Sorry. But your compensation does not cover my expenses. It seems to me that you have not considered shipping costs. You need to compensate for 834,54 RUB. Or I'm willing to wait for a decision from Ebay. You will return my payment from 12.11.2017. I return your payment from 04.01.2018."

I have refunded her in full.  I cannot be held responsible for exchange rates!

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 06, 2018, 12:29:00 PM »
Well, surprise surprise, 48 hours later and eBay has not closed the case and the funds are still on hold. 

I went back to eBay to request another call, but that option had disappeared and there was instead only an email option, so I've sent them a long-winded email with the whole story, requesting that the case be closed, and my fees refunded.

On a side note, it appears the exchange rates have changed since the auction closed.  The buyer contacted me to say the payment she received was less than what she had paid.  I sent her back the exact amount she paid in USD, it appears to have been automatically converted to her own currency and was about 10% less than what she paid originally. My concern is that if she doesn't feel she has been fully refunded, she may request a refund via ebay which will result in the funds being removed from me a second time, as eBay haven't done what they promised and the case is still open!

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 04, 2018, 12:37:38 PM »
Thanks for the info about having eBay call me.  I tried that, and despite it saying my number wasn't valid, I received a call a from them couple of minutes later. 

I then spent 72 minutes in a three-way call with eBay and PayPal after being repeatedly transferred between them, as eBay said I needed to talk to PayPal, and PayPal said I needed to talk to eBay.

eBay told me that they could not step in and refund the buyer without giving me a defect. 

In the end, while on the phone, I refunded the buyer by sending the money directly as a friends and family payment, PayPal gave eBay the transaction ID and confirmed I'd made the payment, and eBay said they would close the case in my favour which could take 24-48 hours. 

I'll believe it when I see it.  I'm fully anticipating having to spend more time on the phone.

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Trader & Shipping Support / eBay - I can't refund my buyer
« on: January 04, 2018, 12:28:39 AM »
A buyer opened an unreceived item case on ebay. When I attempt to refund through the resolution centre it says:

"There was a problem sending your refund to the buyer.  To try again or to see what's wrong, go to PayPal."


When I log into PayPal, the funds for the transaction are on hold saying:

"Your buyer has opened a dispute on this transaction. Sign in to your eBay account for more information on how to resolve it." with no option to refund.

I'm going round in circles.  And if I wait for eBay to step in and refund the buyer, it will count against me as a seller.

Any idea how to refund the buyer?  I'm not located in the US, and not in a position to be making lengthy international phone calls to eBay.

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: Weird eBay situation, please help!
« on: December 01, 2017, 01:20:28 PM »
May I ask what their eBay IDs are so I avoid these people?  What a nightmare to rack up $1500 in eBay purchases and then not pay!  And it seems as if she has a track record of screwing people over.

The buyer is "horwi-jilli", and the mother is "probuilsys".

I didn't hear back from the mother overnight, so I will just cancel the sale - no point trying to pursue it. 

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Trader & Shipping Support / Re: Weird eBay situation, please help!
« on: November 30, 2017, 10:06:12 PM »
The buyer responded and asked me to refund the credit card payment, then send her another invoice through PayPal so she could pay with her own money.  She then messaged me again and said she had settled the payment with her mother and not to cancel the sale after all.  I messaged her mother to ask if this was correct. 

However, I then checked out the buyer's feedback and it's appalling.  One seller noted that she racked up $1,500 in purchases and then stopped responding.  Another said she didn't pay or make contact. 

I reported her earlier in the day through the "report buyer" link, shortly after the mother messaged me.  I don't think eBay respond to those reports though, do they?  How can I get out of the sale without paying the fees?

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Trader & Shipping Support / Weird eBay situation, please help!
« on: November 30, 2017, 03:44:19 PM »
Last night a buyer messaged me about one of my ebay auctions and asked if I could invoice her directly as she was having payment troubles.  I didn't respond as I was asleep at the time, and an hour later she took the buy now on the auction.  I saw the sale and the message when I woke this morning, and assuming that her payment troubles were resolved, I packaged the item ready to send.

The item has NOT been posted.  Later this morning, I received a message from another eBay account, claiming to be from the buyer's mother, saying that the buyer used her credit card for the purchase without permission, and could I cancel the transaction.

Obviously, I don't want to get into a credit card dispute here.  But the message came from an unverified third party, so I'm not sure if I should act on it.  I have messaged the buyer asking for an explanation, but so far no response has been received.

How do I cancel this sale without paying ebay fees?

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Pony Corral / Re: Soda Sippin' sodas with stuck beads?
« on: February 22, 2017, 11:26:51 AM »
Thanks, it worked!  Although I could see some of the colour running off the beads so next time I think I'll skip the soap and just use cold water.  They're drying in the sun at the moment.  One had so much gunk inside, possibly some kid's drool from 25 odd years ago... ugh!

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Pony Corral / Soda Sippin' sodas with stuck beads?
« on: February 20, 2017, 02:38:29 PM »
I have a couple of sodas for the Soda Sippin' ponies, where some or all of the beads no longer come up the straw.  I wondered if anyone knew of a fix for this.  I thought about putting a thin wire down the hole in the straw and jiggling it around, but I don't have a thin enough wire.  Has anyone discovered a fix for the stuck beads?

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