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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden! *update with new pics 7/6
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2014, 03:26:18 AM »
I forgot to mention- I'll also ship the seeds for free!  :biggrin:
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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden! *update with new pics 7/6
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2014, 07:58:27 AM »
I'll pick some up in August. is august too late to plant?

I noticed this morning that my HOSTA is in bloom!! how excited was I?!
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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden! *update with new pics 7/6
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2014, 08:24:55 AM »
Yay, I'll pm you when I'm not on my iPad. We couldn't find milkweed that was grown without pesticide last fall! I got a spot at our school for my Girl Scout troop to put in a butterfly garden and then couldn't get any milkweed! We put in butterfly bush and dill hoping for black swallowtail caterpillars but only saw one that soon died.
It was a rough year this year with the weather freezing so late in the spring. I'll do my part to help!
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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden! *update with new pics 7/6
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2014, 09:19:52 AM »
How cool! Lucky you-  I'm so glad she emerged-  it was so sad for me as a kid to see a chrysalis never emerge, and then see the tiny hole drilled in the side (probably from a wasp)

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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden! *update with new pics 7/6
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2014, 02:30:24 PM »
Sad! I saw one of these today! I was so confused... I know if the chrysalis doesn't hang up and down (like it gets tilted) the development can fail. I also thought this happened because the chrys was attached to some flowers that had drooped over... but like you said, there was a hole on the side. I didn't know wasps parasitized monarch caterpillars! Hm. Nature.


How cool! Lucky you-  I'm so glad she emerged-  it was so sad for me as a kid to see a chrysalis never emerge, and then see the tiny hole drilled in the side (probably from a wasp)
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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden! *update with new pics 7/6
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2014, 03:08:08 PM »
A healthy predator/prey balance is just as important to keeping a population strong as having a good food source and protected developing ground. It's actually a good thing that the wasps are present! They're like the wolves for a population of deer...too many deer is bad, too many wolves is bad :) losing a few members to a healthy population is completely acceptable and a sign of a very healthy enviroment!

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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden! *update with new pics 7/6
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2014, 07:26:35 AM »
I talked to Karen Oberhauser who runs the Monarch Monitoring program at the University of Minnesota about a parasitized chrysalis and a dead caterpillar I found. Here's what she said:

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The first one, with the hole, sounds like it was killed by a tachinid fly.  The second one may be a bacterial or viral infection.  Both of these things probably would have happened even if you'd brought the caterpillars in.  I think it's fine to bring monarchs in to raise them; as you noted, you'll usually be saving their life.  there is a fact sheet on safe rearing on the MJV website, on the resources page (go to publications):

http://www.monarchjointventure.org/resources/

So I brought in four caterpillars, plus a tiny tiny TINY one I just found this morning, shown here with a pony baby bottle and a larger caterpillar for scale:
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Did I mention it was tiny?  :P

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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden!
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2014, 09:25:54 AM »
Yay!! Look at those beautiful little caterpillars!! I'm so glad you're doing this...if everyone took in 4 or 5 monarch caterpillars and raised them to release, I really doubt they'd be endangered or threatened species :hug: Butterfly Hero!! :lol:

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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden!
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2014, 09:29:50 AM »
AND if more people planted milkweed! Habitat loss (in this case, simple larval host plant loss) is a factor... but probably not as detrimental to the loss of their wintering sanctuary in Mexico. :(
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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden!
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2014, 09:52:22 AM »
AND if more people planted milkweed! Habitat loss (in this case, simple larval host plant loss) is a factor... but probably not as detrimental to the loss of their wintering sanctuary in Mexico. :(

True that!

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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden!
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2014, 09:53:52 AM »
Beautiful! There are too few butterflies nowadays, congratulations on having a great habitat for them to flourish!
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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden!
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2014, 12:00:14 PM »
I used to work at a butterfly house, and honestly, even though it's disappointing (and anxiety-producing when you have USDA containment requirements!), the parasitoid wasp emergence can be pretty cool itself, especially when it's the smaller wasps that emerge dozens at a time. Maybe a little horrifying too XD but some of the wasps are really neat looking.

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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden! *update with new pics 7/6
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2014, 12:16:33 PM »
I talked to Karen Oberhauser who runs the Monarch Monitoring program at the University of Minnesota about a parasitized chrysalis and a dead caterpillar I found. Here's what she said:

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The first one, with the hole, sounds like it was killed by a tachinid fly.  The second one may be a bacterial or viral infection.  Both of these things probably would have happened even if you'd brought the caterpillars in.  I think it's fine to bring monarchs in to raise them; as you noted, you'll usually be saving their life.  there is a fact sheet on safe rearing on the MJV website, on the resources page (go to publications):

http://www.monarchjointventure.org/resources/

So I brought in four caterpillars, plus a tiny tiny TINY one I just found this morning, shown here with a pony baby bottle and a larger caterpillar for scale:
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Did I mention it was tiny?  :P

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Oh thanks for sharing that info! And pictures of the caterpillars! GORGEOUS!!!! 

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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden!
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2014, 11:00:16 PM »
I love seeing these photos!

My grandparents and mother are good friends with the Oberhauser family. I have known them my entire life. We always brought the caterpillars inside and raised them when I was a kid. Keeping track of gender and such when they hatched.

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Re: Monarch Butterfly Chrysalis in my garden!
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2014, 05:06:11 AM »
Big update! Edited original post with new progression pics. Enjoy!
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