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Quote from: Taffeta on October 09, 2022, 12:58:10 AMI am not sure what might have offended about that. Although if you mean Celestial, that only refers to the stars and sky; it's an astronomical descriptor.It was a, not-slur but later slur?, for Chinese people (we got trouble of this in Dr.Who with Celestial Toymaker, who got renamed).
I am not sure what might have offended about that. Although if you mean Celestial, that only refers to the stars and sky; it's an astronomical descriptor.
I can't remember which release of the Jem DVDs I have, but as I said before, there are also a lot of changes even from script to episode, and with the multipart MLP eps, there are sometimes cut or changed scenes to make that division make sense. It strikes me there might have been multiple versions of many sunbow episodes and it could just be a case of which versions survive to now.
I'd never thought about it much until the whole debacle with 'saban moon' (US Live action remake of sailor moon that was thought completely lost) was found in their archives.
Quote from: aria_elwen on October 10, 2022, 09:49:54 AM I'd never thought about it much until the whole debacle with 'saban moon' (US Live action remake of sailor moon that was thought completely lost) was found in their archives.THEY FOUND THAT?!!
If the reason for cutting it wasn't "let's try to fit in another few commercials", I do wonder if the safety reason for cutting it might have been the sewing machine. As a child I got the terrifying 'your grandma sewed straight through her thumb' lecture about the sewing machine, so I always regarded it with a great deal of trepidation, and even today I'm a nervous sewer. In contrast, we have the Bushwoolies all but throwing the fabric through the machine, singing about how quickly (and carelessly) they are sewing... I could see that as being a cause for concern in terms of imitable play. I would wager that more households in the 80s had sewing machines than today, and it could be a very real concern that a kid could hurt themselves trying to mimic the scene. That would be my best guess anyway!
Gonna be honest, I really do think it's a time cut just because the shout factory set has issues for so many episodes on fewer discs.
Personally I wonder which version the library of congress has. 🤔 I'd never thought about it much until the whole debacle with 'saban moon' (US Live action remake of sailor moon that was thought completely lost) was found in their archives.I know they have a copy: https://lccn.loc.gov/91791965 and they seem to have copies of other episodes as well but whether those copies are copies of the masters.... Edit to correct: https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchArg1=My+little+pony+&argType1=all&searchCode1=GKEY&searchType=2&combine2=and&searchArg2=&argType2=all&searchCode2=GKEY&combine3=and&searchArg3=&argType3=all&searchCode3=GKEY&year=1522-2022&fromYear=&toYear=&location=all&place=all&type=g%3F&language=all&recCount=25If the link works. Ironically Glass Princess is the only story from the series but they have both specials and the film.
It strikes me there might have been multiple versions of many sunbow episodes and it could just be a case of which versions survive to now.
This is what I was getting at. You said it much better than I did. Sunbow might not have kept every version of every episode and only have one type remaining.
Quote from: Carrehz on October 08, 2022, 07:49:20 AM(incidentally, that's my main theory on the mystery rainbow pony in RaMC too - they wanted some rep for that set but hadn't finalized any designs at that point)I believe that may have actually been First Born, the porcelain pony. They have the same blunt hairstyle, and the mystery pony has a symbol similar to the logo on FB's back. I think they also have the same eye and bow colors.
(incidentally, that's my main theory on the mystery rainbow pony in RaMC too - they wanted some rep for that set but hadn't finalized any designs at that point)
On First Born, I can't remember why but I remember a whole discussion about this where people mostly decided that the animated pony probably wasn't linked to the ceramic? Maybe timing? I wish I recall why, but it's been a while.
"Rainbow pony special was cancelled being 'too gay'" - first time I've ever heard THAT one. Doesn't make much sense to me; if it's the rainbow thing.... G1 has rainbows all over the place (a lot of 80s toys do!).... if it's because of two of the ponies nuzzling in that clip... that's nothing they'd cancel a whole special over.
Even when the official names WERE discovered, they're still obscure because that info just hasn't been widely spread yet. (It doesn't look like their prototype backcard story is on the wiki, for example - I know I saw it recently - might've been on Tumblr? I know it's out there)
Wildshadow's copy of the series bible actually DOES include Peachy (and Majesty!) in a list of ponies - no details, just the names - so we know for sure those characters were considered for the cartoon. It'd be weird to include those two in the series, they'd be off the shelves by that point, right? Which makes me suspect they're leftover from an earlier character list.
Re: songs. Apart from the whole "Hurry" debacle, "The Return of Tambelon (Part 3)" and "Flight to Cloud Castle (Part 2)" are the only episodes that don't have a song. To my knowledge, they've ALWAYS been like this, they were never broadcast with a song like "The Glass Princess (Part 4)" was. What muddies the waters is that they do appear to have intended there to be a song in "Tambelon". If you watch it, there's a bit where - it's been a while since I've seen it, so forgive me if I get any of the details wrong - but, basically, everyone's losing hope and are being all emo, and it REALLY feels like it's leading up to a rousing song, it's basically a classic "setting up for a song" G1 scene... and then there's an abrupt cut and the ponies are all "Yeah you're right Megan! Yay! Let's go save our friends!" etc.Personally I think they did write a song for that scene, but cut it during the production stage because the episode ran overlong. That episode serial runs HOT, there's a LOT going on in it - snipping out a song that was probably pretty superfluous was likely an obvious choice. (It probably would've just been "Always Another Rainbow" 2.0 anyway ) But I don't think there'd be footage for that song or anything - IF such a thing ever existed - it's not something that ever aired on TV. As far as I know. I've never seen any sort of proof that that one was edited for reruns, anyway.(People sometimes bring up "the lost Cloud Castle song" but I think it's just wishful thinking, to be frank. People want there to be a song, and I can see the logic... all other eps have songs, so this one MUST have had one cut, right?? But when you look at it, there's no obvious place for a song in the ep - not like there is with "Tambelon", where it's pretty obvious where a song would've gone. I suspect CCpt2 never even had a song written for it, or if it did, it was discarded very early on.)
I know the scene where Glory licks Applejack's cheek was censored in some releases of RaMC, so maybe that's where that rumor came from? Either way, it's ridiculous. They're animals.
Erm, the Jem episodes. I'm never sure whether colour variation is to do with the formatting (PAL/NTSC/editing to DVD), though. But there are definitely different versions of the eps - or something happened in producing some of them to vhs. There are two or three episodes with very messed up soundtracks. I'll save the words and just link the page I have some of the files as soundbytes...http://etherella.com/britrock/surprise.htm
Quote from: Carrehz on October 10, 2022, 05:54:59 PM"Rainbow pony special was cancelled being 'too gay'" - first time I've ever heard THAT one. Doesn't make much sense to me; if it's the rainbow thing.... G1 has rainbows all over the place (a lot of 80s toys do!).... if it's because of two of the ponies nuzzling in that clip... that's nothing they'd cancel a whole special over.I know the scene where Glory licks Applejack's cheek was censored in some releases of RaMC, so maybe that's where that rumor came from? Either way, it's ridiculous. They're animals.
The Cloud Castle might have had the song near the end where the ponies might have convinced Ariel to give Garth a chance? Because that decision was way to quick to not have something happen.
Carrehz, that was an epic post. I read it I'm gonna comment on a couple of things.