Another thing is that pastel horse toys are commonplace outside of My Little Pony now. There is simply more choice, which has likely affected its popularity somewhat.I think this is a really good point. There are so many brushable pony toys available now and G5 focused more on the small action figure toys with plastic hair. If this was an attempt to appeal to boys as well as girls so the toys will sell better it has sadly backfired.
It's terrible for the actual male collectors who had nothing to do with that behaviour.
It's terrible for the actual male collectors who had nothing to do with that behaviour.
And yet male collectors weren't the ones deeply hurt by this phenomenon.
Girls couldn't look up MLP on the internet without coming across viral art and videos made by male fans, all of which was strong on "adult themes". The generation that got scarred is now old enough to tell their side of the story. There's many vids on youtube about that subject. Just look up "Bronies ruined my childhood" and other similar titles.
If I was a kid I wouldn't want to share my fandom with grown adults 30+ regardless of gender. But especially not with adults who create so much p*** that "safe search on" still shows it.
I'm sad that G5 couldn't be for girls again without being cheaped out. MLP is predominantly a girl targeted franchise and that's ok. Boys have lots of choices in the toy aisle, most of them don't naturally gravitade towards doll-like toys anymore.
Hasbro thought they'd attract more boys with the boy pony character but most people who liked him were grown-ups. Now compare to Paw Patrol and their token girl characters... one of my nephews wanted to name his little sister after that dog. That's how much he loved that pink spaniel thing in her little plane.
But he scoffed at the male pony. It wasn't about the characters, it was about the franchise they belonged to.
MLP needs to retain their girl focus. Hairplay, imagination, bigger size, stop the hard plastic. Is it too much to ask?
Schleich is doing more hairplay now than MLP, it's a bit absurd.
I agree with most of this, except the schleich part. They look kinda odd. But from what you're saying it seems the quality is good. So that's good.
I agree with most of this, except the schleich part. They look kinda odd. But from what you're saying it seems the quality is good. So that's good.
I can't comment on the quality but the new Schleich lines with brushable manes and tails are advertised and take up most space that used to be MLP in toy stores. I live in Schleich country, there is no Breyer in physical stores except for one single family owned shop. So I noticed the abudance of brushable Schleichs compared to any other brand with small horse toys.
My Walmart got rid of their pony section guess cause it just wasn’t selling well that and kids are really not into toys that much nowadays
Also I feel like there is more retro ponies being released than g5 ponies lately!
Also I was at target I wanted to get the main cast with Misty but for some reason it’s like $30! Geez?
I’m ready for g6, media is second best for me, toys are number one thing I care about
Reading through this I was struck with the wondering - to what extent has Basic Fun's retro line sabotaged G5's publicity train? I know the target markets are technically different, but with everyone tightening finances, and with so much G1 retro stuff around (not just ponies, also clothing, bags, other marketing deals with other organisations...) has G5 been overshadowed? Has there actually been a publicity campaign for G5?
Has it failed yet? Not officially. Is it like what happened with G2? Not in the slightest. G2 had a market, did that without an animated series, ran successfully in a fairly independently organised European sale network for years after the US Hasbro pulled the plug. That independence of regional identity died with G3, when that moved to core characters. G5 doesn't have that option. If it fails in the US it fails universally.
Mm, I don't know if I agree completely with this. Other toy lines have died down in the US and continued on in other countries - Enchantimals is a good example of this - so I don't think a US failure would definitely equal the death knell for G5. That said, I agree that I can't see anything like the variety, etc that G2 had after it went to Euro-only releases, happening again... if that makes sense. like, I could see G5 wrapping up in the US and then limping on for a while longer elsewhere, but I don't think the line would suddenly reinvent itself or whatever.
@MJSNEIFER, while I don't see people raging and cursing G5 (thankfully), I don't ever see much 'emotion' around it. Emotion is important for anything to last. It's also had a hard time in terms of when it's been launched/operational. Not the best economic climate.There's been some hate on Twitter recently (though it's likely "those" type of bronies again - and if any good has come out of it, it's encouraged more G5 fans on that site to speak out, but it's still bad it happened) and as for "emotion", I've seen a lot of it on DeviantArt, but again this is online, so it's probably not the target audience, but the bronies and other older fans, again.
Another thing (sorry if people have said this) it doesn't seem to be advertised - I don't see any toyline adverts for My Little Pony or any for the show really (I love Make Your Mark, but I don't think I've ever seen it officially advertised as being on Netflix, outside of possibly YouTube videos (which, you ultimately need to find yourself) you just have to know it's on there. Thinking of it, I rarely see any children's shows on Netflix advertised, if ever - not even on YouTube ads, so it seems like you need to go on Netflix and look around, or be part of the circle talking about that show/movie anyway...
I've been hearing that Transformers are being cheaply produced and overpriced too. I stopped buying a couple years ago myself, so I don't know. Sounds like hasbro is just doing this all around now. Unsure of the quality with their Joes and LPS lines, if still around?
I kind of hope Hasbro hands off the next gen of MLP to them as well.
I've been hearing that Transformers are being cheaply produced and overpriced too. I stopped buying a couple years ago myself, so I don't know. Sounds like hasbro is just doing this all around now. Unsure of the quality with their Joes and LPS lines, if still around?
I think BasicFun! took over the main LPS line but may be mistaken. I kind of hope Hasbro hands off the next gen of MLP to them as well. I'd love to see BasicFun! run wild with the line if the quality is as good as the retros (nylon hair, etc.). Hopefully they'd even be brave enough to go the "gotta collect 'em all route" as opposed to releasing the same 5/6 characters ad nauseam.
Honestly, things seem to be going pretty bad for most companies lately. A bunch of video game developers let people go recently. I think all the inflation is starting to make a difference in what people choose to buy. I mean, I wanted some Doritos yesterday but the price made me not get them. Over $5 for a bag? I don't think so. If Hasbro wants quantity over quality and charge the same thing, there's a problem.
Also, as someone else in thread said, kids toys are everywhere. I don't have kids nor am I around them and I know who Bluey is. Barbie is popular again and as far as I know, their quality hasn't gone down.
Maybe Hasbro got too big for themselves and consumers are starting to fight back.
There's a new game? If it looks any good I might have to pick it up.
Honestly, things seem to be going pretty bad for most companies lately. A bunch of video game developers let people go recently. I think all the inflation is starting to make a difference in what people choose to buy. I mean, I wanted some Doritos yesterday but the price made me not get them. Over $5 for a bag? I don't think so. If Hasbro wants quantity over quality and charge the same thing, there's a problem.
Also, as someone else in thread said, kids toys are everywhere. I don't have kids nor am I around them and I know who Bluey is. Barbie is popular again and as far as I know, their quality hasn't gone down.
Maybe Hasbro got too big for themselves and consumers are starting to fight back.
I'm not a Barbie collector, but I do follow the toy community as a whole, and sadly, its quality has gone down significantly.
If they are indeed struggling with the current inflation, I understand the quality drop, but I agree that they shouldn't be expecting people to pay the same amount for inferior products. I do think that an increase in variety may help, even if they use cheaper materials, though.There's a new game? If it looks any good I might have to pick it up.
Yep! A Zephyr Heights Mystery. It is being produced by OG Outright Games, which was responsible for the last G5 game and are known for creating rushed, "shovelware" games (notoriously, the Bluey game.) That isn't to say that they're necessarily unfun, but it's important to keep in mind that it's better not to expect too much.
Re actual toy shops - Smyths has about one version of Sunny and that's it.
Re actual toy shops - Smyths has about one version of Sunny and that's it.
I actually took a pic of the MLP ""section"" last time I was in Smyths:
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That's it! That's literally the only pony stuff they're selling atm.
I went to walmart this past weekend and all the G5 MLP stuff was on clearance!
This is what the MLP section looks like at Target.
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[off topic but I adore the names of stores in the UK, they just are... cute! no offense meant!]
[off topic but I adore the names of stores in the UK, they just are... cute! no offense meant!]
[off topic but I adore the names of stores in the UK, they just are... cute! no offense meant!]It's more than fine. I never thought about it, but... it's cute that you find them cute, if that makes sense. ^_^
I've found so many of them in thrift stores too, many still in packaging.
my mother remembers choosing her in the store in Birmingham, they were all up a pillar, apparently, and she thought they looked so pretty. It was rainbow pony Windy, I can imagine that display caught the eye given how new MLP was. I don't think Mum had ever seen them before...this would've been late 1984.
If I was a kid I wouldn't want to share my fandom with grown adults 30+ regardless of gender. But especially not with adults who create so much p*** that "safe search on" still shows it.
I'm sad that G5 couldn't be for girls again without being cheaped out.
But on balance, its success is something that MLP is going to struggle to overcome or match. I actually did wonder how Hasbro would continue after the FIM phenomenon, because whatever they released wouldn't be able to match up to it.
Look at the choice! You can get a little Sunny, a big sunny or a big sunny with wings! Wow. And is that maybe a poseable sunny as well? I can't believe it :blink:
I think the only way they might have succeeded would have been to rip up everything from FIM and do something TOTALLY different. It would've been a risk, but at the same time, establishing it on it own merits rather than as a comparative media to G4 would have been a better move.
I've personally felt that MLP (strictly the toys themselves, not any attached media) has been on a downward spiral ever since Core 7.
One of the KEY aspects of MLP is the 'collect them all' nature which completely falls apart once you introduce a core group of characters - I think only G2 pulled this off somewhat successfully as it maintained a good blend of old characters with new looks and brand-new ones.
The second aspect is the tactility, which I feel has been lost with the ponies getting increasingly small and less... quality?
The hair doesn't feel nice any more (if it's not outright sculpted) and they're hard plastic. Poses are static and uninspired, gimmicks are obtrusive and get in the way of standard play...
I firmly believe if G4 hadn't had such a successful cartoon attached to it, it would have been dead in the water in a couple of years -_-
But...though there are some name repeats across generations, there is literally nothing canonical connecting Dream Valley (Ponyland in the UK), Friendship Gardens and Ponyville. Whereas Sunny and company live in a later version of Equestria. Just like Tales and MLP Friends.
Actually, do they call it Ponyland in Tales as well? I can't remember what they call it xD.
The thing is that all previous generations broke away from the earlier stuff and did their own thing.
What G5 has done is more in keeping with My Little Pony Tales, which does not reference directly anything from the older G1 material, but you do have the cameos from the Glowing Magic(al) ponies, and then there's some pseudo-mediaeval stuff which I guess you could looooosely tie into the kind of world that existed in the earlier stuff. Albeit very loose.
Tales is G1. MLP & Friends is G1. One is the older version of a world modernised in the other. That's a link albeit it's not as tight a link as G5 has with G4. Yet we're meant to believe G5 is a generation of its own.
This is one of my bugbears because the defining of generations was something we did, not Hasbro, and the mainstreaming of this idea of a G4-G5 transition is their brainchild, not necessarily in keeping with how generations were defined in the past.
To begin with it was Old Ponies and New Ponies, as there were only two generations. Sometimes you got 'new generation', then LM came in with the Transformers concept of G-, around G3's arrival. Because you couldn't have old, new, and newer xD.
But...though there are some name repeats across generations, there is literally nothing canonical connecting Dream Valley (Ponyland in the UK), Friendship Gardens and Ponyville. Whereas Sunny and company live in a later version of Equestria. Just like Tales and MLP Friends.
Actually, do they call it Ponyland in Tales as well? I can't remember what they call it xD.
So basically, G5 scrapes the barrel on being a new generation. It has its own characters but not really its own concepts. And maybe the nod back to older generations is reflecting the age of the brand and the anniversary coming up - but at the same time...it's really quite lazy.
The naming sense is also awful.
But, all that said - if the toys looked less...weird, and had more variety and better QC, would that make the world/narrative/etc feel more fresh and engaging? I guess the question is, is the problem a stagnant toyline or a media concept that's tired and starved of new ideas?
Thanks Carrehz, LAW.
Carrehz, do they explicitly mention the DV/Ponyland link in MLP and Friends? I've seen all the episodes but some only a few times and it's been a long time. I don't remember Dream Valley as a location coming up in the comics, but it might have done. I do remember lots of other locations, such as Memory Lane, Misty Mountain, Rainbow Mountain, and so on, and they were all part of Ponyland - new release ponies 'came to live in Ponyland'.
Hasbro did put a lot of money into various versions of a limited cast in G4 but I think it worked for them because of the demand around the series. For that to work for G5, it probably requires an iconic series that will make people want to follow x y z characters rather than variety.
It's interesting how quite a lot of other existing toylines are still going with variety. MH have always done core line/additionals and they have already managed more variety than G5 has done. Rainbow High repeat a few core characters but not so as you'd find them clogging the shelves, plenty of new ones too. LOL seems the same (same company of course). There is an increasing range of stuff from Miraculous, even though it took so long to get here. Even in other kinds of lines, like plush or TY, you see a range of characters or concepts. I feel like maybe that limited core cast thing was a phase and the world's moved past it.
Yes, people will always want popular figures like Pikachu, at the same time, when I was in Japan I remember the stock in the Japan centre in Kyoto cycled in and out pretty much on a weekly schedule, with lines staggered to keep the shop fairly fresh.
I think 'repetitive core cast' may be out of date. At least, so long as there's no meaningful digital component to compensate.
Carrehz, do they explicitly mention the DV/Ponyland link in MLP and Friends?
So i think g5 is a flop,i talk yesterday to hasbro germany and they tell me the only pony Set that will be out in germany this year is the Set with the dragon and sunny starscout and in most stores ponys are sell for a very cheap price.
It is very sad that hasbro is not Strong enough to keep the ponys what they where in the past.
The shows are generating interest - I'm seeing a lot of praise and fanart online (though I assume it is largely the brony fandom, though I hope the target audience are getting their fill - especially Make Your Mark - that show screams "something to grow up with" in my opinion.) The problem is, Hasbro aren't bothering to promote it, as far as I can see.
The shows are generating interest - I'm seeing a lot of praise and fanart online (though I assume it is largely the brony fandom, though I hope the target audience are getting their fill - especially Make Your Mark - that show screams "something to grow up with" in my opinion.) The problem is, Hasbro aren't bothering to promote it, as far as I can see.
But see, it doesn't quite matter whether the show is successful or not, if that's all there is. A show, any show, is meant to sell something; products, toys, ad space, etc... But in the case MYM, there is nothing to sell except for the super basic stuff that collects dust on the shelves.
But in the case MYM, there is nothing to sell except for the super basic stuff that collects dust on the shelves.I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that the toys aren't "playable" in anyway, like for kids to just play with them as toys? The few G5 toys I have seen in shops are pretty big, so I guess they wouldn't be easy to just play with like the smaller toys, so I get what you mean if that's the case.
But in the case MYM, there is nothing to sell except for the super basic stuff that collects dust on the shelves.I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that the toys aren't "playable" in anyway, like for kids to just play with them as toys? The few G5 toys I have seen in shops are pretty big, so I guess they wouldn't be easy to just play with like the smaller toys, so I get what you mean if that's the case.
I would be curious to know how well the G5 electronic media are doing. I haven't been paying attention, because I found the toys so off-putting, and it seemed like they were targeting a younger audience with the show(s).Different people have different views, but I've seen a decent amount of fanart of G5, particularly Tell Your Tale, so G5 definitely has it's fans. I myself feel that Make Your Mark did beautifully. I'm only really focusing on what would likely be the older viewers, though - bronies or not (as I'm in that "circle" so to speak, I don't know how the actual target audience, i.e. kids, are doing with G5.)
What I meant was that the toyline is extremely lackluster and basic in design, limited in range and also very overpriced for what you get imo. If these products don't sell, then it's safe to say that the driving marketing force (namely the tv show) lost its purpose.I think I get what you mean. Thanks.
The show may hold the interest of a certain audience, but if that audience doesn't take the next step to shell out money for the related products, it Missed its Mark, pun intended.
EDIT: But maybe we are wrong, because we have a different take on what "G5" constitutes. The people that were around before G4 think of the toyline as the main element of a generation, backed up by a show. I think it is safe to say that G4 started out with that same approach but maybe evolved away from that: IP popularity (through a show) first, then toys. And that mindset may have been carried over into G5, for Hasbro and the G4+ fans at least, while us longterm fans still keep the focus on the toys.
Hasbro's recent self definition as an "IP, games, toys-company in that order" certainly corroborates that.
I hope I made my point come across clear enough; english is still my 3rd language :)
I would be curious to know how well the G5 electronic media are doing. I haven't been paying attention, because I found the toys so off-putting, and it seemed like they were targeting a younger audience with the show(s).
I think, in the U.S. at least, it is significant that Wal-mart has gotten rid of its MLP section, as someone else has mentioned, and Target's offerings have shrunk significantly. I am not seeing G5 toys much in dedicated toy stores, either. I see more fakies than G5, honestly.
Unfortunately I know of some (led by one person who has been throwing a constant, and vocal fit since G4 ended) who think they can force Hasbro to restart FiM, which definitely doesn't help. .I think I know who that person is...
I still maintain that G5 does "stand alone" from G4, despite being a "reboot sequel" (IMO) from it.
MLP has moved to the preschool toy aisle in Walmart. Before, it was (and had been) in the girls/fashion doll aisle. It is now pushed near the Minnie and Bluey stuff. I've seen no new toys.I still maintain that G5 does "stand alone" from G4, despite being a "reboot sequel" (IMO) from it.
I'll push back lightly on this and even posit the idea that it urges kids to check out MLP FIM at all with their vague inclusion of Twilight Sparkle. She's not introduced as anything, she's a hologram, and then her appearance is referred to at multiple points. We also have the inclusion of Celestia and Luna, Spike.... The FIM show just kind of offers kids way more to chew on (and it's readily available on Youtube!), even if they got started with G5. If you give a kid a phone, and they're looking up Twilight Sparkle because they're curious about this pony who was introduced (or even just looking up any G5 stuff at all) they're going to find all of the crossover stuff with FIM, the FIM episodes themselves, and hours and hours of content. And ads for toys! And merch!
It could have stood on its own if they had developed the rules of the world in-universe, but it kind of feels like they didn't. A lot of required reading expected going in, I felt.
It certainly feels like G5 has flopped. No new toys, Youtube views outdone by FIM's.
As someone who gave G5 more of a shot than it likely deserved, the main show suffered from amateurish writing (a lot of the episodes of chapter two were written very confusingly and unsatisfying) and a lack of time to develop characters. Misty was a great addition to the cast but I feel the main cast felt underdeveloped as a result. They needed more time, less of a focus on grand, sweeping adventures, and just to take a step back. Sunny is boring as tar in MYM, when she was the main character in ANG, and they should have maybe spent a chapter focusing more solely on her struggles as a new princess or alicorn or whatever that status even means for her. They should have focused on developing those folks before giving us this big baddie they have to face off. The character development was lacking and it makes it hard to care for characters at all. I thought them sidelining Sprout was a mistake and was fully expecting them to develop him more as a redeemed character throughout the season. I think that would have made for a better season one conflict and kept their world fairly limited to the scope of the movie, and THEN open season 2 with Misty & Opaline.
Even fans of the show can't get toys of the little fillies that follow everyone, Seashell, Peach Fizz, & Glory. What a sad showing toy-wise.
I'm not holding my breath for any potential G6 to fare much better, honestly. I'm kind of hoping Wild Manes will take the fantasy horse market and absolutely steamroll MLP at this point just to try to force Hasbro to do anything interesting.
In my mind, it is good for a reboot of anything to draw its fans in the direction of the original, or previous versions - that is how I write my (fictional) reboots - they are their own thing, yes, but they give enough awareness that previous versions exist, not that new viewers would need that much help these days, as it is easier to see there are several version of things - which is a good thing, IMO. They don't have to be reboot sequels like G5 is to G4, but they can call back.
I'll push back lightly on this and even posit the idea that it urges kids to check out MLP FIM at all with their vague inclusion of Twilight Sparkle. She's not introduced as anything, she's a hologram, and then her appearance is referred to at multiple points. We also have the inclusion of Celestia and Luna, Spike.... The FIM show just kind of offers kids way more to chew on (and it's readily available on Youtube!), even if they got started with G5. If you give a kid a phone, and they're looking up Twilight Sparkle because they're curious about this pony who was introduced (or even just looking up any G5 stuff at all) they're going to find all of the crossover stuff with FIM, the FIM episodes themselves, and hours and hours of content. And ads for toys! And merch!
It could have stood on its own if they had developed the rules of the world in-universe, but it kind of feels like they didn't. A lot of required reading expected going in, I felt.Again, it could be an encouragement to check out older versions, and enjoy them as well as the current version, but I still feel G5 stands on its own even with this. If you don't, I respect that, but even if it wasn't connecting to (possibly its own version of) a previous generation, it makes sense in my opinion to not establish everything about the world before hand - it gives the viewers chance to learn more about the world as things go on. In fairness both examples (explain early or wait to explain) can work, but again, I don't feel this stops G5 standing on its own personally (again, respect if it doesn't for you.)
As someone who gave G5 more of a shot than it likely deserved, the main show suffered from amateurish writing (a lot of the episodes of chapter two were written very confusingly and unsatisfying) and a lack of time to develop characters. Misty was a great addition to the cast but I feel the main cast felt underdeveloped as a result. They needed more time, less of a focus on grand, sweeping adventures, and just to take a step back. Sunny is boring as tar in MYM, when she was the main character in ANG, and they should have maybe spent a chapter focusing more solely on her struggles as a new princess or alicorn or whatever that status even means for her. They should have focused on developing those folks before giving us this big baddie they have to face off. The character development was lacking and it makes it hard to care for characters at all. I thought them sidelining Sprout was a mistake and was fully expecting them to develop him more as a redeemed character throughout the season. I think that would have made for a better season one conflict and kept their world fairly limited to the scope of the movie, and THEN open season 2 with Misty & Opaline.I guess we just had different views on G5, which again I respect, and I do agree with you in some places, but admittedly disagree in other places - you found Sunny a boring character, which is fine, but I personally did not; I found her a character that I enjoyed following, and sympathized with when she wasn't "understood" as herself - I get they could do more with her, but when I saw her and she got the spotlight, I loved how she was used, but if you didn't, I respect that.
Off topic, who is the rabbit in your avatar?
Off topic, who is the rabbit in your avatar?
Jax from The Amazing Digital Circus. He is a terrible man, but he's my terrible man.
MJNSEIFER - I'm glad MYM still resonates with you! I gave it as much of a shot as I could before writing it off, it's a shame it just didn't seem to meet any of my expectations. If I were to rewrite it, I would have gone a completely different direction (I also think Sprout and Misty would have had an amazing dynamic had Sprout been allowed to be redeemed or interact with Misty at all, as a pony who's done evil knowingly and a pony who's been coerced into doing so.)
Little to no shelf presence, lackluster show. Hasbro barely lifting a finger to make anything? Do you think Hasbro permantly ran it into the ground through extreme laziness? Maybe it'll have the occasional reboot like G.I. Joe and Jem?
MJNSEIFER - I'm glad MYM still resonates with you! I gave it as much of a shot as I could before writing it off, it's a shame it just didn't seem to meet any of my expectations. If I were to rewrite it, I would have gone a completely different direction (I also think Sprout and Misty would have had an amazing dynamic had Sprout been allowed to be redeemed or interact with Misty at all, as a pony who's done evil knowingly and a pony who's been coerced into doing so.)Thank you. :good: I respect that you gave it a chance before deciding it wasn't for you, which I also respect, as well as the idea that you would have written it differently - that's pretty much my view on My Little Pony; the "story" is what you want it to be (not an original view, I know - MLP is a toyline, of course, so there are many ways to tell the story, be it playing with toys, or writing about the cartoons, or thinking about how you would.)
Generation 5 failed because of the My Little Pony community and Hasbro. Hasbro didn't do decent marketing I live in Brazil and I've never seen a G5 commercial on television I remember the G3 and G4 commercials the distribution of ponies to other countries takes a long time they only focus on the United States and here in Latin America it takes a long time almost a year to launch new ponies, G5 started with a film on Netflix, a fatal error should have been in theaters, the dolls are of poor quality and the story doesn't attract children's attention and Hasbro focuses a lot on nostalgia. Now the fan base are the G4 fans who can't get over the fact that the G4 is over and keep boycotting the G5 and saying that it's a bad generation and so people lose interest because if the fans of the franchise themselves don't like the G5, why who If you're a fan, you'll like it, not to mention that the G5 didn't please G1 collectors. I LOVE THE G5 I LOVE THE DESIGN OF THE G5 I LOVE THE EPISODES THE MOVIE THE SERIES I LOVE THE G5 IT'S PERFECT!! I wish there were more G5 products in Brazil so it would be easier to follow, but Hasbro doesn't care about Latin America. Remembering that this is my opinion, forgive me if I offended anyone!Agree on some of this, mostly the stuff about Hasbro not really doing any thing to promote G5 - I'm in England, but I haven't seen Hasbro do anything to promote G5 either, and I agree that limiting it to Netflix doesn't help either - corporations in general need to be reminded that, even if streaming is the most popular method of watching media, not everybody does so (or are even able to, as not everybody had Netflix, or even stream at all) and those that do don't necessarily use it as their only method to watch media; i.e. people still watch TV, buy physical media, and yes, go to the cinema - releasing A New Generation as a cinema movie probably would have helped, as you say.
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This was a thing well before G4 or Lauren Faust thought of making it a thing. G3 was probably more aimed at girls, admitted. But G1 was a bit more neutral (in some and not all ways) and had a male following as well.
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This was a thing well before G4 or Lauren Faust thought of making it a thing. G3 was probably more aimed at girls, admitted. But G1 was a bit more neutral (in some and not all ways) and had a male following as well.
This is a nice touch! I wonder if this reaching out to the boys lead to Danny's introduction.
and technically he was not really Danny but an illusion (ditto Molly).
and technically he was not really Danny but an illusion (ditto Molly).
I have no words...
With the strange stories the UK comics had, it sounds like they had a Stephen King fan on their writers team.
Maybe a bit of an inflammatory remark but do you think Hasbro even cares about MLP to a point they would reboot it again into a sixth gen? At this point I don't. I see a lot of new G4 merch popping up and getting popular on the Asian market. More G4 brand deals and a bit of G1 nostalgia. As of right now it looks like G5 will die to make way for nostalgia bait, mostly G4, and this is how MLP will be kept alive and milked.
I still think connecting G5 to G4 was a mistake. They tried to attract old and new fangroups alike and it folded real quick. The best that came out of G5 was right at the beginning with the new theatrical release. The movie had the most money put into and had lots of marketing. Afterwards it quickly went downhill.
If they ever attempt a Gen 6 I hope it will stand on its own again and not be tied to previous MLP stories. Save for keeping a couple names, of course, for branding reasons. If you go into the old G5 speculation threads, some of the users here had amazing ideas. Maybe Hasbro should have just lurked here ;)
And today's kids aren't really like that (only using phones) - they aren't really that different to how we were as kids really, phones are just extra - I still see them playing outside and having fun, and the like, and some still play with toys because everybody is different no offense.
I meant that today's kids still do things that we did as kids (go outside, play with toys, watch TV, etc.) as well as go on phones - that is what I meant by how we are not that different. No offense. In my opinion, kids having phones just gives them an extra thing than what we had.And today's kids aren't really like that (only using phones) - they aren't really that different to how we were as kids really, phones are just extra - I still see them playing outside and having fun, and the like, and some still play with toys because everybody is different no offense.
80's kids really did NOT have much access to computers. I would have been severely punished if I ever went into an office space of one of the adults I knew ; I can't imagine how much trouble I would have gotten into if I touched their computer! we had TV (sometimes, when the adults would allow us access), we had cassette tape players and record players, and we had radios. Other than that, personal electronics were NOT a thing until the '90's
I actually agree. Granted, I live in public housing so everyone in my neighborhood is poor, but I see kids of all ages playing outside all the time. They play tag, basketball, ride bikes, bring their toys outside to play... one year a girl got a big Hatchimal and I had to listen to it for days :lol:
Per a source (that I have talked to personally for previous g5 affairs), the ponyverse concept is cancelled and we won't see much in 2025 at all. This is also mentioned in the EQD blog.
Per a source (that I have talked to personally for previous g5 affairs), the ponyverse concept is cancelled and we won't see much in 2025 at all. This is also mentioned in the EQD blog.
Per a source (that I have talked to personally for previous g5 affairs), the ponyverse concept is cancelled and we won't see much in 2025 at all. This is also mentioned in the EQD blog.
Thanks for the update, I missed most of the blogpost writing.
I took the time to check out the 2 minute presentation; seems like they did intend to include g1 (mentioned at the 13 second mark). It also shows a very weird looking crossover with what seems like another toyline I never heard of (distroller?).
Looks like it would have been all about merch, not collectible toys.
Here is the video to the cancelled project if anyone is curious: https://www.panaderia.xyz/#gallery-5 (https://www.panaderia.xyz/#gallery-5)
Maybe a bit of an inflammatory remark but do you think Hasbro even cares about MLP to a point they would reboot it again into a sixth gen? At this point I don't. I see a lot of new G4 merch popping up and getting popular on the Asian market. More G4 brand deals and a bit of G1 nostalgia. As of right now it looks like G5 will die to make way for nostalgia bait, mostly G4, and this is how MLP will be kept alive and milked.For Hasbro every Show they have create was mostly an Addvertisement for their Toys, MLP, Transformers, GI Joe and more.
I still think connecting G5 to G4 was a mistake. They tried to attract old and new fangroups alike and it folded real quick. The best that came out of G5 was right at the beginning with the new theatrical release. The movie had the most money put into and had lots of marketing. Afterwards it quickly went downhill.
If they ever attempt a Gen 6 I hope it will stand on its own again and not be tied to previous MLP stories. Save for keeping a couple names, of course, for branding reasons. If you go into the old G5 speculation threads, some of the users here had amazing ideas. Maybe Hasbro should have just lurked here ;)
The most in the Video I not understand because its the wrong Language and its from Panadería, a Name I never have see or hear before, but it is surely not an official Hasbro Video.Per a source (that I have talked to personally for previous g5 affairs), the ponyverse concept is cancelled and we won't see much in 2025 at all. This is also mentioned in the EQD blog.
Thanks for the update, I missed most of the blogpost writing.
I took the time to check out the 2 minute presentation; seems like they did intend to include g1 (mentioned at the 13 second mark). It also shows a very weird looking crossover with what seems like another toyline I never heard of (distroller?).
Looks like it would have been all about merch, not collectible toys.
Here is the video to the cancelled project if anyone is curious: https://www.panaderia.xyz/#gallery-5 (https://www.panaderia.xyz/#gallery-5)
In my view, it likely isn't connected to G4 in canon - it just reboots it, and this is coming from somebody who does view G5 as the future of G4 in fanon/headcanon.I not think this is a Reboot.
It would make more sense given that G5 at face value really does seem like it's own generation (at least to me it does) - new locations, new rules, new species... so I am actually leaning towards the fact that, in canon at least, it is a new world, just a new world that reuses "Equestria" as its name, just like how there's been at least four towns named "Ponyville". It could even be seen as a new reboot version of the G4 Mane Six too, albeit lesser than it has been, as what little we've seen of them, they do seem to be similar to the G4 version, but it feels more like a reference to them, than outright saying "this is what they did next" or whatever.G5 is a Generation and universe for itself, like the 7 Versions (G1, G2, G3, G3.5, G4, Eqquestria Girls, Pony Life) before, it reuse some Stuff from other Generations (G1 Posey, G4 Twilight, G4 Spike, Pony Life Celestia/Luna) and the Name Equestria (who are not the World, just the Country/Kingdom Name).
Again, I don't mind G5 being connected to G4, as it still stands on its own either way for me, and feels like it's own generation for me (and again, in my headcanon they are connected), but it doesn't feel like they are as much in the show, outside rebooting, and nostalgic references to them, but if it is, I personally don't feel it affects anything.
Those who were angry are likely G4 purists anyway - not saying all of them were, but they at the very least seem to be people who don't get how MLP works, or even how rebooting works; even if the new version follows an older version/takes an older version as main inspiration, it is going to change things, that's how reboots work. There are some bronies (not all of us. :silly:) who don't get, or don't want to get that MLP does not revolve around G4, and not everything that is also used in that generation has to be the same as it - I feel I have seen bronies acting like Pony Life gets the G4 characters wrong too, but it doesn't for the simple reason that it is not G4, it is G4.5 - a new generation with new ponies. I have also seen bronies act like, for example, that G3 Rainbow Dash ruins G4 Rainbow Dash, despite the obvious fact that G3 existed first (so, this is probably the people we're dealing with when looking at the anger directed towards G5s changes - not everybody, I'm sure, but I have seen a lot of praise towards G5, including from bronies.)Well I like G4 the most, but mostly because it was the first Generation who has catch my Interest.
"Perfect Evolution to G4" is also a bad way for them to look at it, even if they have G4 as their favorite, which they allowed to do, obviously (it is my second favorite generation, so praise where praise is due) - ignoring that no generation can be perfect (I'll probably even find something wrong with G3 if I look hard enough) - My Little Pony was already "perfect" before G4 happened, and I feel that what really helped G4 succeed (outside of the internet being what it was to boost fandoms easier) was that it followed the format of previous generations - when it moved away from that, it felt more like a de-evolution to me, despite the fact that I never stopped loving G4, and it could still be "My Little Pony when it knew how to be - I actually feel like G5 (mostly Make Your Mark) is saving My Little Pony by returning it to its roots, both early G4 and the generations before G4 - either way, it feels more like My Little Pony than G4 eventually did for me (it felt like it at first, IMO.)
I honestly feel that the only thing wrong with G5 is that Hasbro don't see the awesome generation they have on their hands, and have no idea how to promote it - a big mistake was to largely limit it to Netflix, which, while I love using it, doesn't promote its products very well - Make Your Mark alone looks built to be a TV show, and like all animated generations is just screaming for a physical media release, because it's My Little Pony, and of course, they need to promote the toys more.
P.S. To NightChaser: I just noticed your post, and I ultimately agree with what you say about a Chapter Based show on Netflix making it an awkward show to fanbase over. Also I was part of the brony fandom since 2011, and from what I can see the gaps between seasons/episodes was relatively normal, though I can't give an exact timeline.The Examples of the G5 Ponys are mostly on the look and character, like Sunny who not just look much like Scootaloo, both also like to skate (Rolerskates, Skateboard).
I disagree that Make Your Mark replaced fantasy and adventure though, as I feel it had adventure (though could have had more if it had better "pacing", i.e. it wasn't a Chapter Based show - it's something that the two conflicting complaints I've seen about Make Your Mark is that it focuses too much on the ponies goofing than doing story-related things, and that it focuses too much on the story so that the ponies don't get a chance to just hang out and be friends - I feel better pacing would have helped both sides, as much as I love Make Your Mark for what it is) and I definitely feel that it has a lot of fantasy, and would do so even if I didn't feel that social media fitted in to a fantasy setting perfectly (which I do) the whole atmosphere just has a very fantasy like vibe to it for me. No offense.
In regards to how you view the G5 Mane Ponies - I respect your opinion, but I certainly wouldn't view Pipp as anything like (early) Diamond Tiara or Trixie by a long shot - if she's like any G4 pony (and ultimately, she's like herself, in my opinion) I'd say she's Rarity - not only is she that perfect blend of adorable and beautiful, she's also the creator/artist of the Mane Cast (yes, I know Izzy can be seen as an artist too), where as with Rarity it was fashion design, with Pipp it's performing and (essentially) YouTube videos, as well as being a stylist or whatever. I also don't feel Zipp is very much like G4 Rainbow Dash, other than being an athletic pegasus (I even feel their personalities contrast each other in places), again no offense.
Haven't read "Generations" yet, but I heard it wasn't the best due to making the G1s need need the G4s to save them, or something... I dunno... I am trying to avoid that with my project.
And today's kids aren't really like that (only using phones) - they aren't really that different to how we were as kids really, phones are just extra - I still see them playing outside and having fun, and the like, and some still play with toys because everybody is different no offense.
I am maybe an outlier here but I actually prefer them not using G1 ponies in newer gens. BUT I also accept that when they appear in those gens, they're new ponies and not really the old ones. I absolutely despise people talking about the six ponies that Lauren Faust based the M6 on as though they belong together in a group, when they don't, though. And also when people talk about Posey as the original fluttershy, rather than Fluttershy as based (very, very loosely) on a concept of Posey from one person's imagination.
I don't see the M6 as being at all like any of the g1 ponies, but that's also because of another bugbear of mine. I am sick to death of people talking about G1 animation as the only G1 canon, and then comparing it with FIM. G4 has a collective canon but G1 doesn't. It gets talked down because people are only aware of/only care about comparing animations and not the wider franchise. In reality, the animated series is the least canon part of G1, as it erased pony magic outside of unicorns and massively changed characters from how the backcards portrayed them. It is its own canon, of course, but it is not "THE" canon and it irks me when people make that comparison.
(That includes Dazzleglow as an alicorn, by the way. Dazzleglow is a unicorn, and in fact the first animated 'alicorn' is a glitch of Baby Surprise (I think) in Escape from Catrina).
>>> Twilight Mode on - seek Shelter :shocked: <<<Maybe a bit of an inflammatory remark but do you think Hasbro even cares about MLP to a point they would reboot it again into a sixth gen? At this point I don't. I see a lot of new G4 merch popping up and getting popular on the Asian market. More G4 brand deals and a bit of G1 nostalgia. As of right now it looks like G5 will die to make way for nostalgia bait, mostly G4, and this is how MLP will be kept alive and milked.For Hasbro every Show they have create was mostly an Addvertisement for their Toys, MLP, Transformers, GI Joe and more.
I still think connecting G5 to G4 was a mistake. They tried to attract old and new fangroups alike and it folded real quick. The best that came out of G5 was right at the beginning with the new theatrical release. The movie had the most money put into and had lots of marketing. Afterwards it quickly went downhill.
If they ever attempt a Gen 6 I hope it will stand on its own again and not be tied to previous MLP stories. Save for keeping a couple names, of course, for branding reasons. If you go into the old G5 speculation threads, some of the users here had amazing ideas. Maybe Hasbro should have just lurked here ;)
Other Companys do the same or do you think Matel has made Barbie Movies just because its a nice Story?
The animation mostly contradicts the backcards, where the ponies with backcard stories are in the animation. Although the comics do add their own flair, the characterisations of some ponies, like Magic Star and Shady, are closer in the comics to the American backcards (even though they're for the SS ponies) than anything in the animation. Of course some sets in the UK have their own backcard stories and some ponies are very unique in the UK canon, like Baby Lucky. But mostly 'backcard' and 'animation' are not the same pony canon and there's more 'backcard' canon in comics than in the animated series. This is why to me it's not 'THE' canon, just 'a' canon :)
As someone who grew up watching G1 and G3 (Not while it aired, I had Dvds to watch them) I simply didn't have access to the rest of G1 canon. I live in the US, for me, the backcards and animation was my "canon". I'm sure this issue, a lack of resources, applies to other fans and other fandoms.
I am maybe an outlier here but I actually prefer them not using G1 ponies in newer gens. BUT I also accept that when they appear in those gens, they're new ponies and not really the old ones. I absolutely despise people talking about the six ponies that Lauren Faust based the M6 on as though they belong together in a group, when they don't, though. And also when people talk about Posey as the original fluttershy, rather than Fluttershy as based (very, very loosely) on a concept of Posey from one person's imagination.It is actualy Mane 7, because every Group over the Generations was 7 Ponys.
I don't see the M6 as being at all like any of the g1 ponies, but that's also because of another bugbear of mine. I am sick to death of people talking about G1 animation as the only G1 canon, and then comparing it with FIM. G4 has a collective canon but G1 doesn't. It gets talked down because people are only aware of/only care about comparing animations and not the wider franchise. In reality, the animated series is the least canon part of G1, as it erased pony magic outside of unicorns and massively changed characters from how the backcards portrayed them. It is its own canon, of course, but it is not "THE" canon and it irks me when people make that comparison.
(That includes Dazzleglow as an alicorn, by the way. Dazzleglow is a unicorn, and in fact the first animated 'alicorn' is a glitch of Baby Surprise (I think) in Escape from Catrina).
Well thats mostly because of the Price, because a Computer in the 80s has cost between 2000 and 5000 Dollar.And today's kids aren't really like that (only using phones) - they aren't really that different to how we were as kids really, phones are just extra - I still see them playing outside and having fun, and the like, and some still play with toys because everybody is different no offense.
80's kids really did NOT have much access to computers. I would have been severely punished if I ever went into an office space of one of the adults I knew ; I can't imagine how much trouble I would have gotten into if I touched their computer! we had TV (sometimes, when the adults would allow us access), we had cassette tape players and record players, and we had radios. Other than that, personal electronics were NOT a thing until the '90's
I am not a fan of FIM, though I do like some of the G4 figures and designs. The animated series makes me cringe for a lot of reasons, although I accept it exists and is its own canon. But honestly, it's Lauren's canon not anything to do with G1. This is fine, too. Not judging that. But for example, Surprise. Surprise has the Pinkie Pie moment I think in End of Flutter Valley? One of the episodes she is buzzing around all over the place. But that's So Soft Surprise and it's not even consistent with how Surprise is portrayed in Escape from Catrina (I think it's that one?) And in the comic, there's this lovely story about her being surprised for her own birthday party. I believe her backcard story talks about her helping out others...not jumping out from behind bushes or throwing parties. That's not her personality, so when people go "Surprise is G1 Pinkie Pie", I get twitchy xD.Maybe because G4 was mostly made with Flash Animations, similar how Southpark was made just way more Fluid.
I still think G5 would have alienated G4 fans even if it had really solid continuity with FIM, it's just the nature of G5 following up that major success. Part of me thanks G5 for pushing away some of the more unsightly fans, but I think that would have happened over time naturally anyways.Well I'm still new in the Fandome, joined in 2019, so I'm still in the G4 Modus.
No. There was no core group in MLP and Friends at all. It was a rotating cast of characters. There is nothing to suggest Rosedust could be Posey or Fluttershy's relative either. Just because a pony shares color schemes, does not officially make them a parent. Also, the core cast went from 7 to 6 to 5.For Rosedust, I said "If we go after the look", so I not said she is Fluttershy in G1.
Lauren Faust was inspired to create Fluttershy by her childhood toy G1 Earth pony Posey.- FiM wiki -
Fluttershy's initial design, published online by Faust, refers to her as "Posey" as well.
Her cutie mark, three pink and cyan butterflies, is similar to that of the G2 pony Sky Skimmer.
But because the Design of G4 Fluttershy was made by Lauren Faust from G1 Posey, G2 Sky Skimmer and G3 Fluttershy, you can connect them.QuoteLauren Faust was inspired to create Fluttershy by her childhood toy G1 Earth pony Posey.- FiM wiki -
Fluttershy's initial design, published online by Faust, refers to her as "Posey" as well.
Her cutie mark, three pink and cyan butterflies, is similar to that of the G2 pony Sky Skimmer.
https://x.com/Fyre_flye/status/406582513839005696 (https://x.com/Fyre_flye/status/406582513839005696)
Core Groups I think are mostly the Char who are more in Focus with Products and in Shows.
The Number of Cores was:
G1 - My Little Pony 'n Friends: 7
G1 - My Little Pony Tales: 7
G2: 4
G3: 8
G3 (The Core 7): 7
G3.5 (The Core 7): 7
G4 FiM (Mane 6): 6 (later 7 with Starlight)
G4.3 (EQG, Rainbooms): 6 (later 7 with SciTwi)
G4.5 (PL): 6 (7 if you count Spike)
G5 (Mane 5/Main 5): 5 (later 6 with Misty)
http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Core_Ponies (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Core_Ponies) is listing all Core Groups.
It is actualy Mane 7, because every Group over the Generations was 7 Ponys.
Posey is Posey and in G4 she is the Mom of Fluttershy, what fit to the G1 Counterpart who has act more like a Mother.
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Lauren Faust has use Posey as first inspiration for Fluttershy and the Cutiemark is from Sky Skimmer.
She not even has named the Pony Fluttershy, first it was Posey, then Summer Azure, Spring Blossoms, Petalwing and Meadowbrook.
But in the endy she has use the Name of G3 Fluttershy (and the Stare from Laurens Mom^^).
So Fluttershy is a Combination of all 3 Generations before.
Many G4 Ponys are a Mix, like Rarity who is a Mix of G1 Glory, G1 Sparkler and G3.5 Rainbow Dash.
But if we go after the Look then Cotton Candy is closer to Pinkie Pie then Surprise, who just has a similar Cutie Mark, even her Character is more a Herbalist like Zecora
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G1 is the Begin of the Franchise so for some its special, because many have grow up with them (included Lauren Faust).
I'm sure there are many who not like G4 because it is way to complex for Pre-Teens and other (myself included) not like G5 because it is the actual real World in Ponyland and the show give Children wrong ideas like it is normal to run arround with Social Media on Smartphones all the Time or it is ok to ignore Problems or being blind for Stuff going on.
Also I not realy like the modern World in G3.5, G4.3 (EQG) and G5, because MLP was always a magical Fantasy Land.
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Short answer- yes.
Long answer- Hasbro did not want to let g4 go, of course because it made them so much money, but at the same time wanted to purge the fandom of bronies. So, they made the writing a lot more shallow and "girly".
With the toys, they were stuck in the mindset that fewer characters = less money on toys = fans will buy anything with the MLP logo. They were too scared to reach out into more characters (which, IMO would have saved the line) and instead focused on exhausting the main 5/sometimes misty. This paired with the state of Hasbro's stock, they are not going to be reaching out any time soon.
The show is a topic for another day, though.
I hope at least they are working on a new generation.
The final animated episode for G5 has been uploaded today. The series was cut short.
The reboot for 2026 leaked a bit ago. It's lame. I don't know if it's currently hosted anywhere on the internet since Hasbro gently asked people to take it down, but it's really disappointing.
The reboot for 2026 leaked a bit ago. It's lame. I don't know if it's currently hosted anywhere on the internet since Hasbro gently asked people to take it down, but it's really disappointing.
The final animated episode for G5 has been uploaded today. The series was cut short. The only remaining G5 media that we're waiting on is the comics. China is doing some figures that look much better than anything we got released domestically.
As far as the animated series goes, I'd suggest watching Cxcd's video here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FplutvPxo_c). As someone who's been following G5 closely at the start and had contact with a few insiders, this seems to be pretty correct and a good summary of what happened corporate-wise to cause such a disaster.
It sounds like an unimaginative fanfic cooked up by bronies who can't let go of twilight sparkle.