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Title: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: ChipsteRJ on August 01, 2012, 07:09:55 PM
Not sure if this is a rant... probably more of jealously issue in all honesty.

What are your thoughts on pony flippers?
Are there sellers that you personally abandon?

I suppose we are all guilty of buying ponies in lots and selling our extras.

My biggest rant is Ponies & Petals, while I must admit she has a way of beautifying ponies... is she a flipper or a collector?

Nearly all her feedback as a buyer is from the Delaneys.

Ponies & Petals won the FULL set of perfume puffs for $63 from the Delaneys and sold them individually for nearly $40 each. Why do the ponies that ponies & petals list sell for so high and I can barely sell mine for the starting bid?

Sorry if this is out of place for me to rant in public like this, but I really want to know if Ponies & Petals is a reseller- or a serious collector.

This is the list from one of the auctions:
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I sell My Little Ponies 6 days of the week, some are still from my personal collection of what I have left.  If you don't see what you want, please email me and I may have the pony you need.

No wonder it is called EVILbay!
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: tulagirl on August 01, 2012, 07:30:11 PM
Honestly I have a problem with this too but its something I am familiar with in the doll collecting world on ebay as well.  Its a shame because those of us that would like to have bought those auctions for our own collections never got the chance due to the fact that people are only buying to resell apparently.  Its a sad fact about ebay, its how people make money and they know what will sell and they can ask higher prices.  I think they ask higher prices because as long as someone is willing to pay that, it sets the standard for pony prices.  Until all of us refuse to spend ridiculous amounts on ponies only worth 7.00, I am afraid this will probably continue.  I hate it too.  I don't buy to resell. I do buy to gift and to add to my collection only.  Competing with sellers only on ebay is tough.  I am familiar with both of the sellers and I think the way the ponies look is really important to a sale.  I personally don't get why one person's pony sells low and that same pony sold by someone else may sell higher...it only has to be that people are buying these as gifts or they are a "must have" pony and there is no  limit on what they will spend to grab it. I have been guilty of the no limit over spending on a pony before.  I know when it comes to pony auctions, I tend to go for auctions where the pony is clearly pictured in all positions, the description is very detailed. .  Even doing this I still get ponies that have issues that were not mentioned more often than not.  So I guess even my method isn't fool proof when it comes to getting quality. I don't know who you are on ebay but I am sorry that this has cut into your profits.  :huh:  I think this person is a collector, but has learned what sells and is now a flipper for the money they can make.  Can't say I blame them really.  Money is something we all need.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: NoDivision on August 01, 2012, 07:37:45 PM
I think they ask higher prices because as long as someone is willing to pay that, it sets the standard for pony prices.  Until all of us refuse to spend ridiculous amounts on ponies only worth 7.00, I am afraid this will probably continue. 

Welp, I am a proud member of the "I am not paying your stupid high inflated prices just because you have a nice picture" club. We are recruiting members!
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: tulagirl on August 01, 2012, 07:39:56 PM
I think they ask higher prices because as long as someone is willing to pay that, it sets the standard for pony prices.  Until all of us refuse to spend ridiculous amounts on ponies only worth 7.00, I am afraid this will probably continue. 

Welp, I am a proud member of the "I am not paying your stupid high inflated prices just because you have a nice picture" club. We are recruiting members!

ROFLOL sounds like a wonderful organization LOL.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: plushroo on August 01, 2012, 07:57:05 PM
Add me to the group of people who are baffled by this. There was a huge lot a while back purchased by a buyer who just turned around and listed them individually on ebay all cleaned up and at their going price as starting bid. Not naming names, but it seems like a competition to me to see who can get a grubby lot to clean up and make a profit first which is why I believe the prices are so sky high for other collectors! I know some are just trying to make a profit on ebay and get wider range of buyers. Of course, there is nothing wrong with a reseller who starts  them out at a reasonable price, but it just stinks for those like me who are looking for a good deal on a lot with hard to find ponies in it just to see a reseller snatch it up and relist them individually for a mint! There are a couple of resellers I will buy accessories from that would be otherwise hard to find. As for ponies, I like cleaning them myself to my liking and avoid any that are sold individually with hair already styled as it would be silly to me personally to buy a pony to just look at when I can bring it back to glory myself. That is just me as I'm sure there are others who could care less and just want a pony that they don't have to be bothered to groom. Everyone is different when it comes to pony preferences.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Alatariel-Silimaure on August 01, 2012, 08:15:29 PM
I often bid on bigger lots because it will have a few ponies I want in it and then I usually clean up and resell duplicates of the common ones for lower prices on the Arena or trade with people for my duplicates... I've only done it a few times, but those lots had a couple of ponies I was really after, and then a bunch I already had... and it was cheaper to do that than to buy them individually >_<

Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: ChipsteRJ on August 01, 2012, 08:56:27 PM
I don't mind when collector take what they need/ upgrade and then re-sell those they can't use, but some sellers are just in it for the $$$$.

I got tired of no one wanting my ponies here on the arena, that I resorted to e-Bay, but after selling about 80 items I found I now owe e-Bay $90, Paypal took probably about $100 and then shipping another $200... makes my $800 worth of sales this month a profit of under $500 (probably much less than I spent on acquiring the ponies...)

I have too many extras, and can't make a profit on evil bay- how do you suggest getting rid of these all?
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Stormness_1 on August 01, 2012, 09:39:22 PM
I don't mind when collector take what they need/ upgrade and then re-sell those they can't use, but some sellers are just in it for the $$$$.

I do this. For instance I currently have a half dozen doubles due to a lot I bought this week, however they were cheap, close to me (I picked them up rather than paying shipping) and I didn't have more than half of the ponies in the lot, or they were upgrades. I don't plan on making a profit from them though, I'll probably just trade them and or sell/gift them to others here or on the TP.

If they don't go, I keep them. Eventually someone will want them, there are new collectors coming along all the time. In fact I bought a lot of baity ponies when I first came here, just to have the ones I didn't have - in fact I still do. If I want something enough, I'll take it in any condition. Ebay costs way too much, I'll always be a buyer I think over there!
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Maniah on August 02, 2012, 01:25:53 AM
I have considered doing the whole resale thing but a general lack of pricing knowledge keeps me from doing so. I don't really collect, so perhaps I don't quite grok your frustrations but I can sympathize.

People have to eat and pay bills. If one can work from home by selling on eBay then that's great. I don't begrudge anyone who can make it work. We would all love to go shopping and find everything on our list discounted, but in reality it doesn't work that way. You want a bargain and the seller wants a profit.

People who sell something are not doing it to be kind.  They don't set a low price so they can give you something cheap because they like you. They set a price they hope to get and profit off of most. They hope to sell enough to pay bills and buy food. Otherwise they may as well just save their time and donate the ponies.

I can understand the frustration, as I said, but I do feel that it is unfair to harbor it when it's just a fact of life.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: lovebeam on August 02, 2012, 01:30:45 AM
I'm a pony flipper. If I see a good deal I will snap it up. Clean them up and sell what I don't want for my collection. Been doing this since 1997. I get a lot of enjoyment in cleaning ponies and even though I do it for more money, it goes to bills and expenses so i feel justified. 
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: RockinPrettyBeats on August 02, 2012, 01:41:44 AM
If the idea of someone making a profit upsets you then you're the one with the problem. Every single collection community has flippers and flippers are the reason why so many collectors are able to get certain prized possessions.

MLP is not exempt just because it's a childen's toy. I don't even know why this thread exists as it seems to be full of bashful comments towards people who do nothing wrong.

It's not called Evilbay because of those reasons. Get a grip.

Oh and one more thing. A collectors community (Vintage Radios, My Little Pony, etc) are NOT just collectors. The community consists of collectors, buyers, sellers, wholesalers, etc. This isn't charity or some Mason group that has an unspoken rule to collect ponies from the dumpster, fix them up and sell them for low low prices for the fellow collector.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Rosse on August 02, 2012, 03:50:51 AM
I'm a pony flipper. If I see a good deal I will snap it up. Clean them up and sell what I don't want for my collection. Been doing this since 1997. I get a lot of enjoyment in cleaning ponies and even though I do it for more money, it goes to bills and expenses so i feel justified. 

This is what I used to do back when I collected as well. It funded most of my collection actually, as I was young and didn't have much of an income. Also, selling some European exclusives internationally, and US exclusives over here, I like to think that I helped some people out as well. You don't have to be the devil just because you like making some extra cash while enjoying your hobby ;)
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: RockinPrettyBeats on August 02, 2012, 04:36:45 AM

This is what I used to do back when I collected as well. It funded most of my collection actually, as I was young and didn't have much of an income. Also, selling some European exclusives internationally, and US exclusives over here, I like to think that I helped some people out as well. You don't have to be the devil just because you like making some extra cash while enjoying your hobby ;)

Exactly. It just boils down to, "Awww, I wanted that lot of ponies but they won it for a steal!".

What I find extremely funny, is that we just had a thread where a seller was ticked off that a buyer randomly messaged her on Ebay saying that her pony was overpriced. The thread created a storm of people saying how that buyer was mean and rude and yadda yadda.

People were even talking about blocking her!

So it's rude to message a seller and tell her that her prices are sky high but it's ok to make a thread complaining about a particular Ebayer because her prices are higher than usual? Oh I guess it's ok cause she's a reseller.

Oh damn those pretty pictures, overpriced auctions and the jerks that make them.

Quite frankly, I see some of those pictures and they are a work of art. I haven't sold any of my ponies for a while but even when I did, I was never very good at cleaning them and never tried to style hair. They are a contribution to the community and not to be demonized.

If you want your ponies dirty and like to clean them that's fine too. But saying that it bothers you that someone is making a profit doing something they enjoy is just hateful. I'm sorry but it is.

Here is some great advice, if you like a pony and want to buy it then buy it. If you don't then don't. But don't base your choice on whether or not someone is making a profit. That's just silly.

Also you realize that when you go to Walmart they buy in bulk and sell you items one by one right? To do this "Evil" thing called making a profit. THIS IS LIFE.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Glacia471 on August 02, 2012, 06:23:57 AM
Just a side note here, that buyer was extremely rude in the message that she sent to the seller, and that was why it got everyone riled up, not that she actually told the seller that the pony was overpriced ;) The buyer even admitted that they did things specifically to get a rise out of people. If their message had simply been 'Hi! I just wanted to let you know that this pony only really sells for $X in most cases' I don't think there would have been a thread about it at all.

As for the pony flipping, I'm with Rosse on this one. Collecting isn't cheap, at all! There are times when I do pick up ponies to clean and resell them. I try to get PCs for them and sell them for their going rate however, as even though I do want to make money on them, I also don't want to rip off any buyers.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: ponylady on August 02, 2012, 06:28:38 AM
I am sure this thread is going to give you lots of mixed emotions on the subject.

I understand you are discouraged by ebay.  But the seller you are speaking of has done nothing wrong to anyone. Nor has any other seller you are speaking of.  She oviously has a following and there is nothing wrong with that.  It shows me that she must have great customer service and people are happy.

Do I buy and resell? Yes, but I also collect although I do not see any harm in someone who doesn't.  It's business and it is what makes the world go round.  My inlaws owned a store for 25 years and if they sold milk and eggs everyday at cost because they felt bad about charging someone to make a profit, well they wouldn't have been in business very long.

It takes time, money and patience to sell on ebay.  And I might also add taxes at the end of the year.  I work 13-14 hour days plus weekends sometimes because there is no open or closed sign on my door.  I deal with people 24 hours a day.   So although I sell , I can assure you I am not getting rich and I am sure all the other ebay sellers out there are not either.  It pays a few of my bills and adds more ponies that I want to my collection.

Again I am sorry you are discouraged by ebay and the arena.  But do not let the green eyed monster get the best of you.  ;)
 


   

Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: ChipsteRJ on August 02, 2012, 06:43:34 AM
Yes, I do see that every story has 2 sides.

I know the mentioned seller above has affordable starting prices (usually under $6).

I have absolutely no issue with someone enjoying their ponies for a month or so any then passing them along, but I do NOT like seeing someone sell EVERYTHING they get in a lot. I can also see the need/desire for upgrades, but the ponies being sold off (specifically the perfume puff example above ) in perfect condition upgrading seems NOT to be the objective here....

Who buys a TE Bright eyes with cancer for $72?  Sure I admit I am envious of those who can afford to spend this kind of funds on toys/ their own hobbies.

I admit pony collecting is NOT cheap and I know newbies pop up all the time stiffening the competition.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: tulagirl on August 02, 2012, 06:52:52 AM
Yea I was going to say that the cost of selling on ebay really is high now and the fees do take such a chunk that I rarely sell anymore.   Honestly, you have to price things a bit higher than what is fair just to account for ebay and paypal fees.  If you know how much you spent on something and you want to make a profit all of this has to be taken in account if you wish to make a profit.  I understand that is why many things are higher than value.  I agree with others that flipping isn't really wrong.  In fact its a standard practice even in the real world.  How many people go to a thrift store, clean an item and put it on ebay?  In fact our entire trade system with countries works this way..everything is bought for a lower price and resold to make a profit...everything in this world except for what is made and sold by manufacturer as their own.  I do validate thought that is extremely frustrating at times when you want a pony for your collection and just can't spend the money that some of these lots go for...only to turn around and see it up again for a lot.  It is frustrating as a buyer...but where there is one pony there will be another just like it to watch for.  I can clearly see both sides and I don't think there is anything wrong at all with discussing the frustration with the system...even if its and "okay" thing..it doesn't make it any less frustrating.  Yes that price is very suspicious...and odd....wonder what was up with that?
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: kittybethy on August 02, 2012, 07:01:40 AM
I am sure this thread is going to give you lots of mixed emotions on the subject.

I understand you are discouraged by ebay.  But the seller you are speaking of has done nothing wrong to anyone. Nor has any other seller you are speaking of.  She oviously has a following and there is nothing wrong with that.  It shows me that she must have great customer service and people are happy.

Do I buy and resell? Yes, but I also collect although I do not see any harm in someone who doesn't.  It's business and it is what makes the world go round.  My inlaws owned a store for 25 years and if they sold milk and eggs everyday at cost because they felt bad about charging someone to make a profit, well they wouldn't have been in business very long.

It takes time, money and patience to sell on ebay.  And I might also add taxes at the end of the year.  I work 13-14 hour days plus weekends sometimes because there is no open or closed sign on my door.  I deal with people 24 hours a day.   So although I sell , I can assure you I am not getting rich and I am sure all the other ebay sellers out there are not either.  It pays a few of my bills and adds more ponies that I want to my collection.

Again I am sorry you are discouraged by ebay and the arena.  But do not let the green eyed monster get the best of you.  ;)
 


 





Well said!
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: saply on August 02, 2012, 07:26:41 AM
Is this user overpricing her ponies, or is the seller of the original lot just underpricing them? It sounds to me like whoever listed those Perfume Puffs as one lot was more concerned with making a quick, effortless sale than actually getting what they're worth. I know I've sold huge lots of things in the past and implicitly stated that the buyer is free to resell everything on eBay individually for profit, just because I'm too lazy to do it.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Maniah on August 02, 2012, 08:25:41 AM
I have absolutely no issue with someone enjoying their ponies for a month or so any then passing them along, but I do NOT like seeing someone sell EVERYTHING they get in a lot. I can also see the need/desire for upgrades, but the ponies being sold off (specifically the perfume puff example above ) in perfect condition upgrading seems NOT to be the objective here....

Man.. I'm actually laughing a little bit over here.

So let me get this straight.. According to you, if I see a lot of ponies at a bargain price, I should refrain from buying them unless I actually plan to collect them? If I buy that lot, invest some time in cleaning them up, then resell them, then I am somehow in the wrong?

Sorry, but no. If you, or anyone else, wants to win a lot at a cheap bargain price, then you or however should have bid higher on the lot.

Too often people watch auctions and wait till the last second, wanting to catch that great bargain. Afterall, it only has one or two bids on it, right? Well, that high bidder has a high bid saved with ebay, and your tiny bid at the end winds up losing. Losing because of frugality. Because someone else wanted it more.

And then people who lose out whine and complain because they didn't get the deal. They whine about snipers, when all along, they should have put a high bid in up front all along.

But I get off subject here.

Shaming someone who runs a business that you do not approve of, even in a very detached and vague way like this is just wrong. No one is obligated to ignore cheap lots. No one is obligated to price ponies at their going rate.

Guess what? If I thought I could get $1,000 for a G4 Pinkie Pie, common as dirt, I sure as heck would price it that high and attempt to sell it. So what if it's a higher than normal price? It's business and this is how business works.

Welcome to capitalism.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Yurusumaji on August 02, 2012, 08:55:47 AM
There's some seriously angry people in here. Remember the old saying, "You catch more flies with honey." Badgering someone because their opinion is different than yours is unfair and unkind. It would be nice if everyone could be civil and polite about their disagreements.

Anyway, I'm coming back to that Perfume Puff thing, since that seems to be the big issue here. Here's the thing, I agree with Maniah that collectors should have put in higher bids if they wanted to win that lot. They didn't, so that's no one's fault but their own. The fact that a reseller won it is due to lack of competition. We knew about it, so if someone on here wanted it for the price it was going for, they should have bid. They didn't, so whoever bid highest won it. That's just the way it goes.

I don't buy from eBay anymore, but when I did, it was all about my Max Bid. I didn't wait to snipe. Ever (lost 2 auctions that way a couple years back). I would put in the absolute maximum amount I was willing to pay for what's available. And I mean, my numbers were up there! So if someone outbid me, I didn't get upset about it, because ultimately they wanted it more than me and were willing to pay more. I wasn't, so I let it go and waited for something else to come along.

You need to accept your role here. If you didn't win it, then you either didn't bid or you didn't bid higher. If a door is opened for me, you can bet I'll walk through it. That's what these resellers are doing. They're utilizing opportunities. We all do it, including you, in some capacity. So you can't really fault for them for finding a way to make extra money in this economy.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: saply on August 02, 2012, 08:57:43 AM
I don't buy from eBay anymore, but when I did, it was all about my Max Bid. I didn't wait to snipe. Ever (lost 2 auctions that way a couple years back). I would put in the absolute maximum amount I was willing to pay for what's available. And I mean, my numbers were up there! So if someone outbid me, I didn't get upset about it, because ultimately they wanted it more than me and were willing to pay more. I wasn't, so I let it go and waited for something else to come along.
This is a good policy! Haha, I set my highest bid and then go play kickball or something XD
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: RockinPrettyBeats on August 02, 2012, 09:03:51 AM

I try to get PCs for them and sell them for their going rate however, as even though I do want to make money on them, I also don't want to rip off any buyers.

I'm not trying to be rude by saying this, I'm really not, but people that think you can "rip off" a buyer is either:

A. Under the age of 18

or

B. Seriously ignorant on business practices.

Here is the definition of "ripped off":

A. Someone sells you a mint Mimic for $80 and it ends up being bait when you get it in the mail.
B. Someone sells you a Rolex on the street and it's not a Rolex.

Those are a couple examples. It is literally impossible to put a product up for sale on Ebay, put a price on it, describe it accurately, send the item when it sells but at the same time rip someone off. Lol, that is NOT ripping someone off.

I'm sorry but the first few posts remind me of a witch hunt type of scenario. It's like "Oh lets look at feedback and see if we can find the resellers. Then shame them cause they aren't collectors".

It's silly and juvenile. I know it might sound like I'm being harsh but I don't know how else to describe it because it's just all so silly.

I was going to quote what Maniah quoted but since she already did it there is no point. I'm sorry but if things like that bother you then collecting is just going to cause you stress. Part of the fun of collecting is that some items in your collection are valuable. And some items missing are valuable and so you have to hunt for them or scout out deals or save money. That's why collections are fun because they are a challenge.

Also, here is something to think about when it comes to "newbie" collectors and resellers. Once the word is out that ponies are fun to collect and some are worth money, less ponies will be thrown out in the trash. More will be saved from thrift stores and garage sales. More will be cleaned up and put for sale and enjoyed for future generations. Less will be filling up landfills.

Now what in the world is selfish about that? Nothing, that's what. It's good for everyone.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: ponylady on August 02, 2012, 09:11:21 AM
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"You catch more flies with honey."
QFT ;)

But I am going to drop a reminder now (as temper's are starting to flare a bit here and there) to remember to be civil towards one another.

I think this is a touchy subject to begin with, as there are alot of members here who resell.  And things get taken personally. 

If it further progress's into more hostility,  I will lock it without further ado.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Yurusumaji on August 02, 2012, 09:14:20 AM
I was going to quote what Maniah quoted but since she already did it there is no point. I'm sorry but if things like that bother you then collecting is just going to cause you stress. Part of the fun of collecting is that some items in your collection are valuable. And some items missing are valuable and so you have to hunt for them or scout out deals or save money. That's why collections are fun because they are a challenge.

While this may be true for you, it is not necessarily how everyone views the "Joy of Collecting". So it might help to keep that in mind. :)

I know that I personally won't collect things that are a PITA to collect. For example, when I collected Pokémon, I started a Mudkip collection. I eventually stopped because the competition was way too stiff for my wallet to handle. I kept what I had, but I ultimately didn't collect this particular character anymore because the demand for him was over-saturated and prices for his merch were consistently getting higher.

I personally think a large draw for pony collectors is availability. It's still in stores and we see quite a few people find ponies at flea markets, bootsales, garage sales, second-hand toy shops and thrift stores for a great bargain, when all they need is a quick trip to Pony Spa to get them back into amazing condition. So it's understandable that newer/poorer collectors will get a bit flustered when they can't seem to find better deals on ponies and then they see resellers catching good deals and profiting from it. I'm not saying they're right, I'm saying I understand their feelings.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: RockinPrettyBeats on August 02, 2012, 09:50:54 AM
Quote
"You catch more flies with honey."
QFT ;)

But I am going to drop a reminder now (as temper's are starting to flare a bit here and there) to remember to be civil towards one another.

I think this is a touchy subject to begin with, as there are alot of members here who resell.  And things get taken personally. 

If it further progress's into more hostility,  I will lock it without further ado.

Sorry, I think my posts are coming off as more energetic because I found the first few posts to be a little scary in their way of thinking. I really think that if the right people get together and start getting heated about the idea of reselling that it can lead to people outing others for not being "real" collectors.

Or a newbie undeserving of a certain lot or rare pony.

Yurusumaji - I'm going to be frank and say that one annoying thing someone can do is just randomly quote some part of a post and say "This is your opinion" or "not everyone feels this way". It doesn't really add anything. I could literally go to any post and just quote a section and say, "Not everyone thinks this way, just remember that" and watch the conversation screech to a halt. 

Anyways, getting back on topic. The whole idea of resellers annoying other collectors (aren't most collectors resellers?) is something that is only a problem in someones mind. It's not really an opinion since you can't be evil or selfish by selling items that you describe accurately.

As I've stated, if this petals lady is only a reseller she is helping the community and I think it's lame to ask the rest of the community if she is a "real" collector (as though that makes her more legit or something).

It's really a non-issue and something that you can learn to not care so much about. Just bid the price you want and move on. Adding little "do's and don't's" to pony buying and selling is just going to give you a headache...and an ulcer.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: babylicketysplit on August 02, 2012, 10:13:08 AM
i sometimes buy cheap fixer upper lots and restore and re sell or trade the ponies i didnt need from the lot and keep the ones i needed or upgrade for my collection :)   i actually have a lot of fun doing this just as lovebeam has said <3   i dont mind flipping as long as the seller is descriptive and respectable.   
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: saply on August 02, 2012, 10:14:51 AM
Wow, nothing like a topic about pony reselling to really stirrup the controversy!
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Yurusumaji on August 02, 2012, 11:16:14 AM
Yurusumaji - I'm going to be frank and say that one annoying thing someone can do is just randomly quote some part of a post and say "This is your opinion" or "not everyone feels this way". It doesn't really add anything. I could literally go to any post and just quote a section and say, "Not everyone thinks this way, just remember that" and watch the conversation screech to a halt. 

It's because you're speaking in too general of terms. It comes off as, "This is how it is and that's the only way it is." You're losing perspective by narrowing it down to only one way of considering it. I was simply offering up a new perspective so maybe you could see it from other POVs. You don't have to agree with it, but it might help if you "get" it.

When you say:
That's why collections are fun because they are a challenge.

You're only offering up ONE of MANY versions of collecting. Not everyone collects for this reason, so this being your only ground for your argument would leave it very unsteady indeed. You're blatantly refusing to accept or listen to anything that varies from your way of thinking, which is causing you to become very hostile with people who don't necessarily agree with you. So maybe to you I offer up nothing in return, but I think perspective is just about everything in this particular debate, considering sellers/resellers seem to be one one side, while people who don't really sell as much seem to be on the other side. It's all about your perspective.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Skeen on August 02, 2012, 11:44:15 AM
That's dot100dogs.  She's been flipping FOREVER.  Her auctions always go high, possibly because she has pretty loyal group of regulars who buy from her.

Personally, I've been disappointed every time I've bought from her. 
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: babystarz on August 02, 2012, 12:29:08 PM
All is fair in love and capitalism :P
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Maniah on August 02, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
Wow, nothing like a topic about pony reselling to really stirrup the controversy!

I giggled. I love puns ^.^
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: ClosetAvalanche on August 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
I guess I'm guilty of pony flipping. If I see a good deal and potential for resale, I'll get it. I keep the ones I want, clean and resell the others for a profit. It is the ONLY way I can fund my own collection. I also like to think I'm providing a service to other collectors.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: ponylady on August 02, 2012, 01:16:54 PM
Wow, nothing like a topic about pony reselling to really stirrup the controversy!

I giggled. I love puns ^.^
  :lol: That went right over my head! Good one Saply!
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Cinnabar on August 02, 2012, 01:26:15 PM
Buy low and sell high  :biggrin:

I dont see anything wrong with it personally. It will happen anytime an item is in demand.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Taxel on August 02, 2012, 01:36:18 PM
Its one thing to resell from your own collection or buy to resell and sell them (or start auctions) at a fair, reasonable price (even if that price in higher than stores for items still available, as long as its fair for the item). That's totally fine, and I have no issues with it in any line of collecting. I've had to sell some sought after G4s for above retails to help get money to pay for food and such. I will happily buy items from people who resell in this fashion, and have nothing against them. I also prefer to buy my ponies already styled and nice, because I cannot style any sort of hair to save my life. So I'm happy to pay a little extra for a very beautiful pony. However I also mostly collect bait condition ponies, so I rarely get them already prettied up (which is another reason I'm willing to shell out a bit more).

What I personally do not like is when people buy things, at store cost or super great deals online or yard sales or whatever, then clean them up and try to charge more than what's fair for the item. Or don't even bother cleaning them up and still overcharge for them. I greatly dislike (or downright hate, depending on how much they overcharge and how much they do it) anyone who tries to take advantage of people by charging significantly more than an item is worth.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Maniah on August 02, 2012, 01:51:45 PM
An item is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. That's what drives value up or down. It's fair to price it as high as you like or as low as you like. It's fair to bid as low as you like or as high as you like.

To say that it isn't fair to price an item higher than what you believe is fair, it downright silly. If the item isn't worth $40 then no one will pay $40. The seller will relist it lower. But if it sells at $40, or even gets bid up to $70, then clearly the item is worth that much, and you are in the wrong.

And do let me state that when I use the word "you" I mean a collective you. You as in the bidder.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: teresat on August 02, 2012, 02:18:05 PM
An item is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. That's what drives value up or down. It's fair to price it as high as you like or as low as you like. It's fair to bid as low as you like or as high as you like.

To say that it isn't fair to price an item higher than what you believe is fair, it downright silly. If the item isn't worth $40 then no one will pay $40. The seller will relist it lower. But if it sells at $40, or even gets bid up to $70, then clearly the item is worth that much, and you are in the wrong.

And do let me state that when I use the word "you" I mean a collective you. You as in the bidder.

Very well said!

Remind me of jewelry appraising.
Appraiser says, "I appraise your diamond ring at $1000."
Owner says "I want to sell my ring to you."
Appraiser says, "I will give you $500 for it."
Owner says, "But you just appraised it for $1000?!"
Appraiser says, "$1000 is what the ring costs for you to replace it. For me to sell it, I have to pay you $500 to still make a profit." >_<
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Taxel on August 02, 2012, 02:33:50 PM
I don't mean what I believe is fair, I mean what's fair based on price checks and research. A normal baity G1 Peachy does not fetch/PC for $40, for example, so such a price is not fair. Just because someone is willing to buy that $40 baity Peachy does not mean they paid a fair price or that suddenly all baity Peachy G1s are suddenly worth $40.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Prismatic on August 02, 2012, 03:30:58 PM
I have a few hundred ponies in my collection, and all but a handful have come from lots.  I've yet to buy a lot that didn't have at least one pony I need, but I've considered it, especially if the lot is a good price.  When I buy a lot, I know I'll be reselling many of them.  And I know I'll probably be making a profit.  Does that make me a bad person?  I don't really think so.  More like a smart collector or businesswoman.  I've spent a lot on my collection, so being able to buy a lot, then make enough back on it to profit is awesome.  I also buy $1 G3s at the swap meet and sell them for much more.  People pay me to find those ponies for them, clean them up, and send it to them.  Usually after fees it's not really all that much of a profit.  I've also bought off Taobao and resold them on ebay.  It's normal to want to sell to make a profit.

However, I usually price ponies in their general selling range.  I don't like when others overprice, so I don't do it.  I try to be fair.  But I'll still make sure I profit off of it at least a little, unless I really need the money.  I'm also not going to find a pony, like Mimic, for a dollar and not resell her for what she's really worth.

Also: You said a complete pp lot, so I'm assuming Red Roses was in it?  I price checked her, she's going for up to 80 right now.  The fact that not only one set, but TWO sold for around 70 in the last 2 months, must mean everyone was trying to get them for a good price, and shot themselves in the foot.  If anyone's mad a reseller got one of those lots, should've bid higher :/  I would have, I really want Red Roses, and would've shelled out more for her plus all her friends.  I just don't have the money right now lol.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: prettypony55 on August 02, 2012, 03:49:06 PM
If I find a cheap BIN on ebay for ponies, that I know are worth more and that I could put a little elbow grease in them to clean them I buy it. I will try to sell the pony for about the going rate. Somtimes I do pretty well and make a few extra bucks, once in awhile I loose a bit of money.

If a potential buyeer doesnt do there own research on how much somthing they want to buy is worth thats not my problem. I recently had a Peachy for sale at a garage sale, priced at 10$. I knew it was high, but that gives me room to have the buyer bring the price down. However in this particular instance they happily paid the 10$ I was asking. I certainly wasnt going to say wait.. dont pay me that much.. its only worth 2-3$. Hell no!!! I took their money and was damn happy about it

If I have an ebay auction up for again lets say a Peachy and it goes for 20$ or whatevr I will happily take there money. Its not my job to educate people who much stuff is worth. I know how much ponies (G1)  are generally worth. I put my effort and time to learn who is who, and how mcuh its worth.

Its like shopping for a car. If you dont know the value of the cars your looking at you'll get taken. The car dealers arent going to tell you, "hey lady, dont you know your over paying"? Nope, not a chance!!!
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: babystarz on August 02, 2012, 04:42:10 PM
I don't mean what I believe is fair, I mean what's fair based on price checks and research. A normal baity G1 Peachy does not fetch/PC for $40, for example, so such a price is not fair. Just because someone is willing to buy that $40 baity Peachy does not mean they paid a fair price or that suddenly all baity Peachy G1s are suddenly worth $40.

Right, but how is that the seller's fault? Isn't it the buyer's fault for spending $40 on a baity Peachy? I fail to see how it is unfair of the seller to list a pony at any price, because no one is being forced to pay that much. If a buyer can't do his or her homework, or doesn't have the patience to wait for a better deal, isn't that on the buyer? It's not like the seller is misrepresenting the item or its condition, so I don't understand how anyone is taken advantage of.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: prettypony55 on August 02, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
If I can egt any buyer to actually pay 40$ for a Peachy, I would take it all day long!!!! I would never mis-represent the pony. If people are willing to over pay, thats on them. I wouldn't feel bad taking there money at all. In fact I would be very happy and say thank you with a giant smile on my face.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: crimsondeity on August 02, 2012, 05:14:02 PM
I have no problem with resellers in general. Personally, most of the stuff I've sold on has been for cost/slightly under cost. But I don't usually have a problem with people charging a higher price for items, particularly when said item is no longer produced. In most cases, I'd have no way of getting that particular item on my own, without having resellers all over.

I do have an issue with scalpers; people who buy up all of an available product and then overcharge for it. They've created a false demand, because no one can get the product. I find it especially shady, because they've bypassed the manufacturer (who typically have licensing fees) and they have the luxury of returning the stock to the store if it doesn't sell. I'm thinking particularly of "hot" toys, like MH and Lego, which are currently available on the shelves of most stores.

But when it comes to things like vintage ponies, Care Bears and other stuff not available anymore, and random items that aren't really hot (like those cheap puzzles and trinkets you find in most department stores), it's fair game. And I wholeheartedly agree with people who make their first bid their  highest bid. I find this the least frustrating way to get the stuff I want. No pin-pointing the exact minute, no constant refreshing, very little rage if you lose. I do admit to getting caught up in bidding wars on occasion, especially early on. But I learned early on that those typically led to me overspending in the heat of the moment lol!
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: banditpony on August 02, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Do I have any problems with other people flipping ponies-- no. Absolutely not. Especially if they go and clean everything up, that takes time and effort. ...

Can I do it? ... I've tried, but I can't ask top dollar. If I get a pony for $2, that is worth $10, I might sell it for $5. I suck that way, but I feel guilty making profit? I like to pass on good fortune. Although if I buy something, and decide to sell it later, I often ask the exact price I paid for it. Luckily my fiance doesn't have that problem-- he flips cameras really good... XD And it funds our dinner date nights (and supports our dates, because our dates end up being thrift store hunting and flea markets-- for pony and camera finds). But he has so much fun doing it, and plays with each camera, keeps them for awhile..... but we can't keep them all, so he resells.

So I hope the person flipping enjoys ponies. I hope they enjoy taking the time to fix them up, and keeping them for a short time. (I know I do). And if not, that's sad (to me only)... but to each their own.

Oh, and I like to keep saying this... but an item is worth what a buyer wants to pay -- not what the seller asks. If a buyer is willing to pay $100 for a Mimic with a foot chewed off, marker stains, and a buzz cut-- then that was what the item was worth to the buyer. A seller can't force a sale on someone.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: RockinPrettyBeats on August 02, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
The only thing that annoys me about high prices are these buy-it-nows on Ebay that have the same pony, Care Bear or whatever for like some crazy price.

I'm not joking there is one buy-it-now that has been up for 3 years! It's a large lot of Care Bears that the person wants something crazy for it like $3000. People who know nothing will look at their auctions and go "Oh my god! I have a Care Bear so it must be worth a few hundred dollars!"

What they don't know is that these people have been relisting their auctions for years and they will never sell because these particular Care Bears aren't even worth $10 a piece.

But that's more annoying when it comes to educating people. If someone sells a Mimic for $120 as opposed to $80 cause some collector REALLY wanted it that is 100% fair.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: tulagirl on August 02, 2012, 06:40:56 PM
This whole thing reminds me of the webkinz cheeky cat I found at the thrift store. I paid 1.50 for it. It had no tags. I put it up on ebay with a BIN of 75.00 and it sold and was paid for very quickly.  Yea...I felt a little guilty, but hey...I knew someone would want it and they could have just bid instead of pick my high BIN.  They were happy as a lark when they got it.  I figure I could have probably made more on that too..as the dog with hearts goes over that sometimes.   So, I guess they felt my price was fair...but thats just how collectibles go on ebay.  I have to admit I have done it...but in this case it paid bills probably as that is usually why I sell...my CC gets higher than I am happy..so I sell stuff off.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: medleysong on August 02, 2012, 11:36:14 PM
When my husband and I were undergrads we went to school full-time and were not working much. In the summer, we would often sell intensively on ebay. We would frequent thrift stores and garage sales (This was back when that was still cheap and plentiful!) and buy 80s toys for the most part. It was awesome! We would find all sorts of things for dirt cheap and throw them up on ebay. No bin, just let it go for "what it was worth" and most items did amazing. We also would buy huge lots of ponies from ebay (also plentiful back then) and I would keep what I wanted and sell the rest. I have sold off my entire G1 collection now but at one point it was pretty impressive and it was mainly purchased by flipping ponies. The only time I get annoyed is when a flipper does not describe their ponies very well. I would say dot100dogs falls in this camp. She gives them curls cleans them up and sells them at mint pony prices. I bought a few from her years and years ago and they were not great. Yes, it can be discouraging to watch ponies you have been trying to sell get sold by someone else at a high price but that is the nature of ebay.

I actually just had a flipper incident recently. About a month ago I decided to sell the last few G1 items I had on craigslist as a lot. It was the birthday set (missing some pieces) but with the box, a pony lamp, a cube puzzle missing the lid, some castle pieces with spike, some UK potpourri figures, and a blank G3 pony. There were some other misc pieces but that was it for the most part. I got a lady contact me right away and said her daughter loved ponies and so forth. She sounded nice and genuine so I even threw in a mint baby ribs with his bib because it was going to a little girl. Well, right this moment on ebay the person I sold them to is selling them (well, most of the items anyway..). I boiled a little inside at first because I was lied to. I mean, she could have told me the truth for crying out loud. However, it isn't a crime and she now owns them, not me.  I have them on watch to see what they go for though ;)
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: fingerpaints on August 03, 2012, 12:52:17 AM
I don't see a problem with flipping personally. If you didn't bid and missed out on a good deal, that isn't the buyers fault. They bid & won fair & square, and what they do afterwards with it is up to them as they now own the item.

I have flipped some ponies, but its generally I buy something, enjoy it for a while, get bored with it and move it on. Or a lot that I don't want everything in the lot.

I don't think it makes anyone a bad person, some people don't have another form of income and may have to rely on this sort of thing to put food on the table.

I think that some of the prices on ebay are ridiculous, but, I don't buy it if I think it is. If someone gets that price for it, good on them.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Tiggums6 on August 03, 2012, 04:45:39 AM
It takes two, buyer and seller. I've intended to 'flip' before but it usually ends up with me just keeping them all hehehehe. (I have my credit card bill as proof!) I just think that if it were another item  like scuba gear(for a completely unrelated example), the seller would be considered 'entrepreneurial', as long as the item were good condition and as described. Think about how antique dealers get into business. So if someone else grabs an opportunity, suck it back and let them have their time.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: RockinPrettyBeats on August 03, 2012, 10:23:02 AM

I actually just had a flipper incident recently. About a month ago I decided to sell the last few G1 items I had on craigslist as a lot. It was the birthday set (missing some pieces) but with the box, a pony lamp, a cube puzzle missing the lid, some castle pieces with spike, some UK potpourri figures, and a blank G3 pony. There were some other misc pieces but that was it for the most part. I got a lady contact me right away and said her daughter loved ponies and so forth. She sounded nice and genuine so I even threw in a mint baby ribs with his bib because it was going to a little girl. Well, right this moment on ebay the person I sold them to is selling them (well, most of the items anyway..). I boiled a little inside at first because I was lied to. I mean, she could have told me the truth for crying out loud. However, it isn't a crime and she now owns them, not me.  I have them on watch to see what they go for though ;)

Did you give her a deal cause it was a kid or something?
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: medleysong on August 03, 2012, 02:56:32 PM

I actually just had a flipper incident recently. About a month ago I decided to sell the last few G1 items I had on craigslist as a lot. It was the birthday set (missing some pieces) but with the box, a pony lamp, a cube puzzle missing the lid, some castle pieces with spike, some UK potpourri figures, and a blank G3 pony. There were some other misc pieces but that was it for the most part. I got a lady contact me right away and said her daughter loved ponies and so forth. She sounded nice and genuine so I even threw in a mint baby ribs with his bib because it was going to a little girl. Well, right this moment on ebay the person I sold them to is selling them (well, most of the items anyway..). I boiled a little inside at first because I was lied to. I mean, she could have told me the truth for crying out loud. However, it isn't a crime and she now owns them, not me.  I have them on watch to see what they go for though ;)

Did you give her a deal cause it was a kid or something?

Truthfully, I was just trying to clear out space because we were moving. I didn't want to ship that huge b-day set and box so I just threw everything up on CL and sold it for a lump some of $50 dollars. With the prices on ebay these days on G1 (going for dirt cheap), I figured I was happy with that amount. I threw in extra pony items because yes, they were going to her daughter (at least I thought they were). There was also a G1 sleeping bag among other merchandise items. No big deal, if she thinks she can make a profit more power to her. I don't think it will be that much of a profit once she pays fees and ships.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: RockinPrettyBeats on August 03, 2012, 04:32:27 PM
Well maybe, maybe she really did get them for her daughter. Maybe her daughter liked some of the items and those are the ones she sold. Do you think that's possible?

Although it's possible she just said that to get a deal or something.

I know why that would upset you though. Believe me, I have heard some PRETTY lame stories on why people are buying certain items.

Everything from "it's for my kids" to "I buy for an orphanage" (I'm not kidding).

But I have sold to some resalers on Ebay and Craigslist. I remember I sold some Star Wars items to a man-wife team for pretty dang cheap. They even took their money out of an envelop and had a book of inventory (although they were kind of trying to hide that fact). I think they thought I was a sucka but really, the items were worn and I just didn't feel like trying to describe them on Ebay. 

Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: wingsinmoonlight on August 03, 2012, 11:53:46 PM
     I flip. I lost my job almost 2 years ago-this is how I feed my family. I've thought about it a lot actually. I started as a collector, but I no longer collect very many of anything since money is tight. People are often annoyed or shocked by my prices-but I see it very differently. Three points:

1)When I need to make as much money as possible to pay my bills and keep the lights on, why would I sell a pony to you for 5.00 when I can sell it on ebay for 25.00?

2)If you sell me a pony for 1.00, that I can and will sell for 30.00-why should you be upset? I paid your asking price-you got what you wanted for it-why do you care what I do?

3)Selling ponies on ebay is pricy-in a typical listing my costs will be:
2.00-buying the pony in the first place
2.00-shipping (free to the buyer means I have to pay)
2.00-ebay listing, final value and paypal fees-sometimes more
7.00-30 min my time to prep and list
So I have to sell the pony for 13.00 just to break even.

I don't consider pony collectors to be my main target consumer. I don't sell to you, the savvy collector who wants a mint pony for a bargain price. I sell to your mom, your husband,your friend. I sell to the buyer outside the US, who is happy to find a seller who ships worldwide. I sold to you when you first found pony collecting-I was the seller that brought back the memory of your childhood herd. Now, I am your customer: I view pony meet/pony fair as largely buying trips for me. I buy up all of the non pony items people bring-pony people tend to undervalue non pony items. I'm also the person who buys up half your bait box, and any and all freebies. I spend freely, and you are so excited to sell chunks of stuff, that I tend not to feel too guilty about that fact that I will resell them for 10x what you charged me.

I'm trying to survive. I buy to flip. I spend 12-14 hours everyday working on this. Buying, cleaning, photo shoots,listing, packing, shipping. I research vintage toys for an hour a day-not just ponies- so that when you sell that old doll for a dollar-I will know who she is and how much I can make on her. And, I don't really think that there is anything wrong with that. I am your customer-you are not mine.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: RockinPrettyBeats on August 04, 2012, 01:47:35 AM
I'm happy you found something that makes you some extra money. It's very hard to do that and you are clever to think outside the box.

That's what upset me so much about this is that people are just thinking about their own profits and it's straight up greed. They aren't thinking rationally at all but hopefully some people that were offended are starting to see that.

I regularly have a resaler buy from me on Ebay (it's a warehouse). But they are awesome, always pay on time and leave good feedback. I do not care if I sell them a toy for 8.99 that they can sell for double or triple that. Good for them.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: plushroo on August 04, 2012, 08:16:06 AM
That was a very good post, wingsinmoonlight! It hopefully will make sense to those like myself who may not understand the whole "buy cheap and sale high" pony flipping thing. I have no problem with those that resale a pony for the pony's value. As I stated in my earlier post, some people do this to make a profit, rather it's to pay bills and feed a family or to fund their other interest. It sucks for those that want a bargain, but with the crappy economy, it's something we just have to deal with.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Dewprincess on August 04, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
I do occasionally flip ponies as well, if I find one for a really cheap price at a thrift store or flea market and know I can clean it up nicely and sell it for more.  That's the only way I've been able to afford some of the really nice things in my collections, like Thundercloud and my vintage Care Bear Playful Heart Monkey.  I don't do it often, as I don't have the patience to do tons of eBay stuff (particularly since Paypal holds my funds because I don't sell "enough"), but it's sometimes the best way to fund my own collection.
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: babylicketysplit on August 04, 2012, 02:35:34 PM
Yeah i totally never realised how much ebays final value fees are its like 15% !!!   as a new and small time seller i was shocked.  after i include free shipping final value fee, paypal fees and ebays listing fees.  im nearly broke even or small profit on top of what i originally paid.  :(  it kinda sucks.  so now when i see listings on ebay im not that shocked at price anymore.   im not even a flipper! im selling extras and some collection pieces to pay for a vet bill and this is eating up time and money.  i cant imagine doing it as a job lol
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: hokuspokus on August 04, 2012, 03:00:15 PM
I have considered doing the whole resale thing but a general lack of pricing knowledge keeps me from doing so. I don't really collect, so perhaps I don't quite grok your frustrations but I can sympathize.

People have to eat and pay bills. If one can work from home by selling on eBay then that's great. I don't begrudge anyone who can make it work. We would all love to go shopping and find everything on our list discounted, but in reality it doesn't work that way. You want a bargain and the seller wants a profit.

People who sell something are not doing it to be kind.  They don't set a low price so they can give you something cheap because they like you. They set a price they hope to get and profit off of most. They hope to sell enough to pay bills and buy food. Otherwise they may as well just save their time and donate the ponies.

I can understand the frustration, as I said, but I do feel that it is unfair to harbor it when it's just a fact of life.

Could not have said it better. And i really get the frustration, it frustrates me too. But it is their right to sell for what they want..
Title: Re: Ethics, Pony Flipping and ridiculously outrageous selling prices.... how?
Post by: Ringlets on August 04, 2012, 06:11:12 PM
Ok everyone  thanks for your opinions on this subject  :)  There are some good points in here but I think we've discussed this as much as we can now , plus there is potential for people to get hurt or offended, so I'm gonna lock this up ;) .   
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