The MLP Arena
Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Majesty on August 02, 2017, 06:12:37 PM
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I'm just going to mention some things as they cross my mind...
I wish Hasbro didn't create a baby for Shining Armor and Cadence. I feel like they were a power couple and with Flurry Heart it ruined it for me.
Blind Bags. I know I might get some hate for this but we had more blind bags than we did actual pony figures,
by figures I mean brushables. Hasbro was competing with other toy brands who were doing the same thing,
but it didn't seem as popular at the time, maybe I'm wrong.
Making Twilight a princess. Again I may get some hate but I loved Twilight more when she wasn't a Alicorn which I consider an incorrect term since the true term for an alicorn is a unicorn's horn without the unicorn.
I know saying unicorn-pegasus or something like that is too much but still it irks me when they use the term alicorn. I realize Twilight's studying and lessons would eventually amount to something and it became clear what that was later on she was preparing to be a princess this entire time, I just liked her better before she became a princess.
The Cutie Mark Crusaders, the episodes that never end. It wasn't so bad at first when every now and then we got an episode where they were trying to find their special talent but after a while it seemed to be every other episode, then when they got their cutie marks you thought that would be over but no. Hasbro decides to make 20 more of those episodes where they are helping other people find their cutie marks. It just got old for me after a while and when I see a new episode and it features the Cutie Mark Crusaders I stop watching it.
Speaking of which...cutie marks. To me that is and always will be a G3 term and I feel like hasbro could have gone with something else just as unique. Also, when they make references to G1 and say "cutie mark"
for their symbol I'm like "oh heck no". I'm a fan of G1 and G3 and I hate it when they use a new term used in new generation MLP and reference the old MLP with the new terms. Sorry if that's confusing.
Hasbro catering to bronies in their episodes. I had no problem with the term "bronies" when it first came about. For me it was a fanbase for males who liked MLP. I was happy for the male fans that were able feel they had a fanbase in MLP and something to identify with in the MLP world. Then, brony turned into G4 fans who hate anything previous to G4 and think G4 is the only generation of MLP, etc. Then we see episodes which I read were meant for bronies to keep them happy. Hasbro seemed to think that's where all their fans were so they wanted to keep only them happy. Hasbro should be focusing on keeping all fans happy as a MLP fanbase not just certain fans, or go back to making little girls happy--I don't know.
I guess that's it for now. Again these are just my opinions and this only meant to be a respectful thread where we can discuss things without flaming each other. I know that pretty much everyone here is OK with that but there may be a select few who want to start arguments, based on certain things. Please don't.
Sorry I know I'm not a MOD. :blush: :lookround:
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Yea, I agree with a lot of the things you said.
I think definitely the biggest one for me was Twilight becoming a princess. It was so rushed and she wasn't ready for it. Yes, the character had been through many adventures and learned plenty of lessons, but I don't think she was ready to take on a leadership role just yet. Not to mention that SINCE becoming a princess, she has truly stagnated... now we have hardly any Twilight episodes, when she used to be the main character! It really seems to me that they just have no idea what to do with her. She has reached her 'ultimate destiny' so... now what? Her personality has been toned down a whole lot and I find her very bland now. All she seems to do is preach her 'friendship lessons'... And is the world expert on friendship even though... she only hangs out with the 5 ponies and Spike...
It's especially bad that it happened only in season 3, and now we are up to season 7! That means she's been a princess for longer than a unicorn. I wouldn't have minded it as the 'end goal' for her if they had decided on a point where they would end the show, you know? And have more build-up to it.
Yeah I also agree about Flurry Heart, haha. Didn't really want to see a baby on the show, apart from side characters like the Cakes' babies. However... I do find her very cute x)
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Choosing Starlight over Moondancer as Twilight's student. I know Starlight was a new character they were selling, but the Season 5 premier had made her out to be this dangerous cult leader and the finale made her out to be this vindictive you know what willing to literally destroy the world just to wreck Twilight's friendships. Yet all is forgiven by the end of the episode. What? And even after a season and a half, they still don't know what to do with her as a character. As a student, she has developed her collection of friendships far better than Twilight did. However, her actual character seems stuck like the rest of the main characters.
Moondancer as Twilight's student wouldn't have the baggage of her doing a bunch of terrible things and having to worry about a redemption arc. How she had decided to live her life was unhealthy, but she was only hurting herself. Also, since she and Twilight were once friends, there is a basis to build some chemistry between them.
And Twilight becoming a princess has been badly handled. It could have been a watershed moment for the show. However, it happened just as they started losing writing talent, it her character has only stagnated. The show has stagnated. Notice they seem to want to devote more time to characters other than the Mane 6? Either it's because the movie is coming up which will feature them heavily or because they've run out of ideas.
Actually, here's the biggest one. Letting the show run for 7 (soon to be 8) seasons. It's clearly past its point of relevance.
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Choosing Starlight over Moondancer as Twilight's student. I know Starlight was a new character they were selling, but the Season 5 premier had made her out to be this dangerous cult leader and the finale made her out to be this vindictive you know what willing to literally destroy the world just to wreck Twilight's friendships. Yet all is forgiven by the end of the episode. What? And even after a season and a half, they still don't know what to do with her as a character. As a student, she has developed her collection of friendships far better than Twilight did. However, her actual character seems stuck like the rest of the main characters.
Moondancer as Twilight's student wouldn't have the baggage of her doing a bunch of terrible things and having to worry about a redemption arc. How she had decided to live her life was unhealthy, but she was only hurting herself. Also, since she and Twilight were once friends, there is a basis to build some chemistry between them.
And Twilight becoming a princess has been badly handled. It could have been a watershed moment for the show. However, it happened just as they started losing writing talent, it her character has only stagnated. The show has stagnated. Notice they seem to want to devote more time to characters other than the Mane 6? Either it's because the movie is coming up which will feature them heavily or because they've run out of ideas.
Actually, here's the biggest one. Letting the show run for 7 (soon to be 8) seasons. It's clearly past its point of relevance.
Yep I agree about soon to be 8 seasons. The show has definitely run it's course.
Post Merge: August 03, 2017, 03:12:13 AM
Yea, I agree with a lot of the things you said.
I think definitely the biggest one for me was Twilight becoming a princess. It was so rushed and she wasn't ready for it. Yes, the character had been through many adventures and learned plenty of lessons, but I don't think she was ready to take on a leadership role just yet. Not to mention that SINCE becoming a princess, she has truly stagnated... now we have hardly any Twilight episodes, when she used to be the main character! It really seems to me that they just have no idea what to do with her. She has reached her 'ultimate destiny' so... now what? Her personality has been toned down a whole lot and I find her very bland now. All she seems to do is preach her 'friendship lessons'... And is the world expert on friendship even though... she only hangs out with the 5 ponies and Spike...
It's especially bad that it happened only in season 3, and now we are up to season 7! That means she's been a princess for longer than a unicorn. I wouldn't have minded it as the 'end goal' for her if they had decided on a point where they would end the show, you know? And have more build-up to it.
Yeah I also agree about Flurry Heart, haha. Didn't really want to see a baby on the show, apart from side characters like the Cakes' babies. However... I do find her very cute x)
I agree, Twilight becoming a princess was rushed.
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I'm in the crowd that's been cool with Princess Twilight from the beginning, but I wish they'd postponed it a little. If the show's going to have 8+ seasons, ending the main character's character arc in season 3 hardly seems like the way to go :lookround:
In fact, it seems all of the mane 6 are done with their arcs at this point. I hope Starlight and Trixie get full main character privileges in season 8, with the mane 6 becoming side characters or something.
Also also replacing the Golden Oaks library with the crystal castle playset is just the worst! I'm all for changing the status quo, but the new castle is ugly. The library was a much better fit for Ponyville.
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In fact, it seems all of the mane 6 are done with their arcs at this point. I hope Starlight and Trixie get full main character privileges in season 8, with the mane 6 becoming side characters or something.
Agreed on all of the above. Starlight has issues that go far beyond any of the Six. It would be more interesting to do a spin-off and have her be the next Twilight. She already got the looks for it; pinks, purples and a unicorn - retailers like :P
Toy-wise I wish they would have made more collectible characters or at least make more toys out of the many ponies on the show.
We got some randos like that purple snob pony or Pursey Pink instead of speaking secondary characters like Treehugger, Hoity Toity or Gilda. And the nice Playful Ponies designs from the beginning never made it into the show. Like Feathermay or Dewdrop Dazzle. From both a fan and advertising stance it makes no sense to me. Don't keep your toys separate from your toy vehicle.
Another toy thing that irks me: butt ugly princesses. Sorry but the new princesses look like gum and lollipops. Their heads are so bulbous and misshapen, and Luna's still got the wrong color scheme. Never was a big fan of the old ones but now they look ridiculous. I don't wish my ponies to look starving. Even the giraffy G2s had more meat on their bones.
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Alicorn which I consider an incorrect term since the true term for an alicorn is a unicorn's horn without the unicorn
FINALLY someone says it.
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Had Princess Flurry Heart be born an alicorn - this is kind of a headcanon thing (so I know I can still do it), but I think it works better if alicorns are something you become, and there wasn't any really need to make her an alicorn, especially not with oversized wings. It's one of the reasons that some people (not me) hated her before she even did anything, so it wasn't a well thought out idea to me.
Made Starlight Glimmer the main villain of the season five finale - it would have been better if there was another villain who Starlight had been manipulated into joining forces with. Starlight didn't seem that evil when she first appeared, but more like somepony who genuinely thought she was helping others, and I guessed that she'd reform because of this. However, brining her back, and making her act more like a villain than she was before, made her reason for being the way she was look like a huge overreaction (which ruined her to some fans), but if you just have that as her motivation for stealing cutie marks, and then have some other villain use her views on cutie marks against her and make her think that they can give her the perfect Equestria for their own evil deeds, then it's not an overreaction because it's only the cutie mark thing that losing her friend made her do - which isn't that much of an overreaction (not as much as making her endanger history, anyway).
Lost its backbone - I get that this is a children's show, but seasons one to three seemed like they had more guts to at least imply that we should be concerned for the ponies, and the same goes for the previous generations. Season four onwards is a lot softer in my opinion, like it's scared of letting anyone think that anything bad could happen to the ponies, or any other character. The worst part about this, is that there are times when you can tell it is trying to still be "cool" and make itself look dangerous, but ruining it by making it clear that no one is in any danger, where as pre-season four (previous generations included) they implied enough of the risks for us to see them if we wanted to and didn't try too hard, and didn't hold our hands telling us that the ponies weren't at risk. Season four onwards is, in my opinion, like painting a cat to look like a tiger, and then declawing said cat.
Brought Trixie back the way they did - I'm not saying she shouldn't have come back, but why did it have to be done this way? Why did they have to ignore the fact that Trixie was even less of a villain than Starlight when she first appeared? All she really did was lie and boast, which aren't exactly honorable traits, but aren't enough to make you a full-scale villain, an antagonist, yes, but not a villain. The only time she was a villain was when she wasn't in control of her actions, yet "No Second Prances" acts like she's got some serious reforming to do.
Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash's families - yes, I know I am being "that brony", and yes, I know that I can easily create a different family for them in fanon (and will), but it can't be avoided that the families of these two characters was by far the most disappointing families I've seen in the show. If they had to do a storyline about how Dashie's parents embarrassed her in which we were supposed to view her as being wrong to be angry at them for doing so, then they shouldn't have made them as over the top as they did. It should have been something like, they cheered for Dashie a lot when she was a filly, and she remembers it as being more over the top as it was, or made them embarrassing in another way (like had them tell funny stories, that they don't realise are embarrassing their daughter), but acting the way they did in the show, Dashie was completely justified in "exploding" the way she did. Fluttershy's family, aside from being poorly designed (in my opinion) were a huge mistake to me - the parents made it look like shyness was hereditary (which is a poor joke in my opinion, and also defeats the point of Fluttershy in my opinion) and her brother... well he has the honor of being my Worst Pony. I have no idea what the point of Zephyr Breeze, with his lazy, not even trying to help himself, try too hard to be masculine obnoxious dude, "no means yes" pointless flirtation scenes, type personality was. But if you like any of these characters, it's fine.
Done next to nothing with Starlight Glimmer and Sunburst - Okay, I don't expect them to do an epic love story or anything (though, that's obviously what I want), but they made such a song and dance about how Sunburst was Starlight's best and most likely only friend, and losing him was so heart-breaking it made Starlight the way she was, and then they reunite them and then they give Starlight other friends that overshadow Sunburst, who they barely use, and barely let Starlight interact with.
Started giving the character weird facial animations for no reason - Seriously, what in Zacherle's name where they thinking with these?
Reformed Discord - He just doesn't work as a non-villain to me, and the episodes post-his reformation look more at home as an online fanseries done for fun rather than the actual show, in my opinion.
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Reformed Discord - He just doesn't work as a non-villain to me, and the episodes post-his reformation look more at home as an online fanseries done for fun rather than the actual show, in my opinion.
This made Discord one of the few characters I actually hate to watch. He kept acting like his villainous self until he got to play the D&D game with the boys (I think).
Unless the episode with Treehugger came after that. Because he acted so horrible there. The message was a good one and I liked Fluttershy standing up to him, but in general it was always strange to me how they made Celestia suddenly trust him and view him as a source of comedy after she had initially turned him into a statue.
It was like Celestia became the audience stand-in.
Granted, they have been writing Discord to be less disgusting as of late. The end of the D&D one and the new one with the tea party show some form of progression of his character. He seems to be learning the friendship lessons now. Something the Six not always do :lol:
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Again I may get some hate but I loved Twilight more when she wasn't a Alicorn which I consider an incorrect term since the true term for an alicorn is a unicorn's horn without the unicorn.
Oh thank god it's not just me that's bothered by this!!!!
I wish they'd made more brushables of the show characters, too. Or put the toy-only characters in the show, whichever. Both. I dunno, I just.. the show has some really nice character designs and like, I can see why some of them would be a hard sell as a toy, but others it's like, c'mon, they'd sell like hotcakes! I've been wanting a toy of Fleur de Lis for years now, and you can't tell me kids wouldn't like a pretty white and pink unicorn. :p
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I like that Twilight became and princess, but I don't like how it was handled. I feel that it was rushed, and Twilight becoming a princess should have been the end goal for the series, not something that occurred in a 13 episode 3rd season :hmm:
I hate Discord and I wish he had never been reformed (or better yet, never existed)
I wish they never did Equestria Girls, or at least done it differently. I love the chibis thye have but the doll line was HORRID. It gave me Sunset Shimmer, but I feel like they could have used her anyway because Starlight Glimmer is just a rehash of her character in the first place.
I feel that she show has gone on too long, and I honestly miss the letters to Celestia and life lessons. The Mane 6 could have still accomplished their goals while doing this.
I would have liked the CMC to have been handled better. Their cutie marks are SO UGLY. I don't mind that they have connecting theme but ew... I hope they fire whoever thought those marks were a good idea. I would have rather them figure out who they are and still choose to work together by helping others. They deserve their own unique marks because they're unique ponies, not just a little symbol in the middle of a shield.
I know it's a longshot because Hasbro believes in "core" characters, but I still wish we had more unique ponies like when the first wave of brushable came out.
I HATE the G4.5 designs. I hate it, I hate it. I tried to like it but ugh. It makes me want to stop collecting. I do want Spitfire and Big Mac. And I always buy Luna and Sunset Shimmer figures, but.. argh. I think they're so ugly and the reboot wasn't necessary.
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I wish Hasbro didn't use the hyper deformed chibi look.
I wish Hasbro would stop being so abominably cheap and put better QC into practice.
I wish Hasbro didn't use flash.
I wish Hasbro would stop using awful distribution practices. This goes for their other toylines too.
I wish Hasbro would stop catering to one kind of fan and cater to All, like they do with transformers, especially kids again.
I wish Hasbro would stop pumping out the core characters and little else. You could cross over to other continents with those things
I wish Hasbro would put more focus on their main line and quit demonizing it by making the hair sparse and greasy and terrible.
I wish Hasbro would stop putting an emphasis on symbols. It seems that symbol-less ones are considered borderline pariahs.
I wish there were more villains that stayed irredeemable. Granted G1 did it too, but not as often as this gen does.
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I wish there were fewer villains that stayed irredeemable. Granted G1 did it too, but not as often as this gen does.
I think you mean the opposite, friend, because Dhx is putting out reformations for villains faster than hasbro puts out new pinkie pies.
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I wish there were fewer villains that stayed irredeemable. Granted G1 did it too, but not as often as this gen does.
I think you mean the opposite, friend, because Dhx is putting out reformations for villains faster than hasbro puts out new pinkie pies.
DHX? Yes I did mean the opposite. My brain is mush.
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I wish there were fewer villains that stayed irredeemable. Granted G1 did it too, but not as often as this gen does.
I think you mean the opposite, friend, because Dhx is putting out reformations for villains faster than hasbro puts out new pinkie pies.
DHX? Yes I did mean the opposite. My brain is mush.
DHX is the company that makes FiM.
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Discord is not one of my favorite characters. I did like him in the Season 6 finale though.
I have a hard time believing Starlight is truly reformed when she slips so easily back in to using spells to control other ponies when things don't go the way she wants them to. I didn't like how easily Starlight was forgiven for trying to change time and erase the future of Equestria either. I would have liked it better if Starlight had to prove that she had changed before being accepted by the Mane 6 or if they had accepted her on a trial basis dependent on her proving herself.
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i hate spike's pining over rarity. they refuse to drop it and its driving me nuts. i wish they spent more care and money in the making of their toys. somewhere along the line the ideal changed from "a good toy kids love" to "the cheapest toy possible" and i wish hasbro hadnt fallen victim to that thinking.
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I wish Hasbro would stop being so abominably cheap and put better QC into practice.
I wish Hasbro would stop using awful distribution practices. This goes for their other toylines too.
I wish Hasbro would put more focus on their main line and quit demonizing it by making the hair sparse and greasy and terrible.
ALL OF THESE I have NO TRU in my area, the local wall mart has skipped a few waves blind bag wise and regular ponies. There is nothing in my wallgreens, at all. The dollar general only had wave one of the pearly ponies.
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I wish Hasbro would stop being so abominably cheap and put better QC into practice.
I wish Hasbro would stop using awful distribution practices. This goes for their other toylines too.
I wish Hasbro would put more focus on their main line and quit demonizing it by making the hair sparse and greasy and terrible.
ALL OF THESE I have NO TRU in my area, the local wall mart has skipped a few waves blind bag wise and regular ponies. There is nothing in my wallgreens, at all. The dollar general only had wave one of the pearly ponies.
Same with the Pearlies. Walmart only had RD, TS, Pretzel and Cherry Berry. They were there three times and then vanished.
Plus I missed the Combiner Wars Constructicons in my area completely. I wanted a complete Devastator and they were nowhere to be found!!!
No Target nearby means no baby merponies and no TR Octane.
Booo Hasbro!
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Toys-I really dislike the G4.5 designs, with the exception of Twilight as a seapony and the Queen of the Seaponies. The baby seaponies have wall eyes! :(
FiM-I wish Daring Do remained a fictional character in the storyline, as opposed to being the author herself.
I feel like Twilight's transition to Princess was rushed and is still incomplete.
I wish the villains would stay villains. Friendship doesn't solve everything.
I also miss the letters to Princess Celestia. I think the storylines of the other characters would really shine through if those were continued.
I am not a fan of the CMCs cutie marks.
I feel that there needs to be less background emphasis--less in depth episodes about the background ponies, focus more on the relationships of the mane 6. How their friendships strengthen over time. This part of the plot is lacking...usually episodes focus on one pony at a time, which is great, but how they are all connected is not addressed well enough.
Equestria Girls tried really, really hard to be a cross between High School Musical and Harry Potter. It failed miserably. Not a fan of any of it.
The only thing I like about FiM are the songs. Those are fun. I think the first few seasons (1-4) did well and I am slowly getting back into season 7.
meh
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i hate spike's pining over rarity. they refuse to drop it and its driving me nuts. i wish they spent more care and money in the making of their toys. somewhere along the line the ideal changed from "a good toy kids love" to "the cheapest toy possible" and i wish hasbro hadnt fallen victim to that thinking.
It's one of the dumbest inventions of this gen to me. And the reasoning behind it was even dumber (signalling that Rarity is the most beautiful of the Six by having a boy pine over her - but not make him a pony of age because that would be too logical. Instead make him a baby of a different species - what the heck?)
They really should have dropped it and have Spike move on as part of a friendship lesson. But up until now he just wants to have Rarity and Rarity just wants to borrow him from Twilight as her assistant and sometimes baby brother.
Their stupid will-they-won't-they should have never been a thing because he's a child and she's got common sense.
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Reformed Discord - He just doesn't work as a non-villain to me, and the episodes post-his reformation look more at home as an online fanseries done for fun rather than the actual show, in my opinion.
This made Discord one of the few characters I actually hate to watch. He kept acting like his villainous self until he got to play the D&D game with the boys (I think).
Unless the episode with Treehugger came after that. Because he acted so horrible there.
It was before - "Make New Friends but Keep Discord" was season five, and "Dungeons and Discords" was season six.
Also, I've thought of another think I wish they hadn't done (not Discord related) - I wish they hadn't started trying to be clever with pony designs and created ponies with a particular feature to make them standout (I assume that's what they're doing). Moon Dancer doesn't need to have eyebrows like that in order to be a noticeable pony - it's like they created her in some kind of Pony Creator, somewhat followed (G1) Moondancer's design, and then threw every single accessory on her. G4 is capable of designing some very toyline looking and very My Little Pony-like ponies, that would fit in perfectly in the older generations - and Moon Dance is (technically) from the oldest generation, so they should have had no problem designing her, even if they wanted her to be different.
I actually feel (and yes, this was about ponies in general, but Moon Dancer appears to have taken over) like they should have either followed G1 Moondancer's design exactly or created a new G4 Moondancer/Moon Dancer like how G4 Twilight Sparkle had a different design to G1 Twilight, but what they gave us seems utterly lost between the two choices, in my opinion.
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This is why it's the worst gen. Cheap, badly produced toys, only seven ponies regularly made, hyper stylized, annoying and confusing distribution, pandering to the wrong crowd, plots that drag on well past it's expiration date, lack of creativity, dull villains that become besties forever and ever and ever.
If this is the future of MLP, then...
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I don't really care if ponies have thick eyebrows because all the other ponies magically grow eyebrows if they have to be expressive and all those nasty human-style beards exist (the only beard I can accept on a pony is the one ponies actually can grow. Like when a pony is naturally shaggy and you don't clip their fur, similar to Sunburst's).
Also, Treesy's eyebrows are super cute and match her dreads :P
What kind of bugged me about Moondancer is that they made her have these brows as a way to make her look different from Twilight and like "the bizarro Twilight". Like, don't use the exact same character model if you need two characters to look different? Make a new one like for countless one-shot characters we never see again.
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This is why it's the worst gen. Cheap, badly produced toys, only seven ponies regularly made, hyper stylized, annoying and confusing distribution, pandering to the wrong crowd, plots that drag on well past it's expiration date, lack of creativity, dull villains that become besties forever and ever and ever.
I agree with this 100%. My kids love FiM, but I don't even feel like it's the same thing as the MLP of my childhood. I'm glad kids today have a version of MLP, but I wish it wasn't...this. I don't like the design. I don't like the toy quality. It's just lacking in every way for me.
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I didn't like when the show made Daring Do a real character. I would have been okay with Daring Do being an archeologist and making up the stories but having Daring Do being real and her adventures being real was too much for me.
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I really didn't like the way Rainbow Dash basically became an extremely selfish villain in the episode where Tank is needing to go hibernate. I'm reminded of what an evil jerk she is in that episode at least once a week since the song from that episode is on my mp3 player that I use everyday at work. XP Then in the episode, the way she's sobbing her heart out as if Tank died instead of just went to sleep for a few months was rather over the top. That behavior would've been understandable if Tank had died but c'mon.
I also don't care for the CMC's mark designs and I'd be happy if Flurry Heart wasn't around also. I also don't care for FiM designs for other baby ponies.
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Flurry's design is kind of gross looking, but Flurry herself is really fun and cute. I love "babies innocently terrorize everyone" plots, it just amuses me to no end.
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But I hope she gets to grow up. What FiM really needs, imo, is a time jump at one point. Let the babies become foals and the foals young adults so we can move on from the characters' repeating stories without losing the roles they play in the show.
Show how the CMC handle their ~business as adults. I always thought they would eventually grow up, get a job and serve as mentors or teachers in whatever field they go into. And Flurry would become the next Princess of Love because Cadence is so done with the job :lol:
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Twilight as a Princess, to add to everyone here. I checked it out when the internet freaked out about it; it feels like a finale and should have been much longer. It just felt so ... fanfic-like? Eventhough it was set up that Twilight was the super special one from the start? I can't decide if it's the alicorn part or the Princess part that doesn't sit more ... the more alicorns added, the less unique Celestia and Luna are.
I honestly really like Princess Cadence, despite her scary body and head. She looks fine at first, love her colours and voice!, but then I start thinking about where her organs go and get scared :blink: I don't think she should have been an alicorn either; I would have liked her being a regular Pegasus Princess or similar to Princess since she was originally a pegasus before her transformation. That would have worked out so much better actually; if Twilight HAS to become a Princess of some kind, make her a unicorn one, a pegasus one for Cadence, and then later on find an Earth one to balance it, leaving Celestia and Luna the only alicorns.
What I DON'T like is the fact she's pretty much introduced as a bride for Twilight's brother. Everything feels like it has to be about Twilight in some fashion :mad: I lament the days where a character could be an only child! Plus, well, suddenly appearing brother who is, oh, just Captain of the Royal Guard and engaged to an alicorn that babysat for Twilight. Twilight seriously annoys me in that she was presented as the everygirl when she quite clearly is not.
Flurry Heart is grosssss. She iiiiis. Her huge wings, her massive head ... her colours are nice, but why this creature. Even the Royal Sisters looked at her like 'what is thiiiiissss' rather than 'oh, another alicorn'. Again, should have been born either unicorn or pegasus, and closer to the Cake twins or baby Applejack in design.
She came in quick, feels like Cadence didn't really get a chance to be simply married or even be her own pony before BAM! You are now a mother, deal with it.
As much as reformations all the time are annoying - Sunset's reformation is so rushed but I like her growth in following installments - I think the mass Changling, er, change is the most annoying. Chrysalis herself went from really good threat, to pretty much a ham. I liked to think that, despite her ways, she genuinely cared in her own particular way about her people; she stated that she needed to feed her subjects, hence her takeover of Canterlot. Pretty much staying true to the hive queen idea; making her spiteful and nasty to her subjects despite the lengths she goes to to feed them just seemed ... off. I hated how all the Changlings just ... changed. None decided to stay loyal to their Queen? Everyone broke free all at once because of one errant Changling? One born 'good'? I would accept a Changling that simply can't feed the same way and doesn't fit into the hive (and Chrysalis doesn't really know what to do with him or doesn't notice his difficulty). You pretty much stripped a ruling Queen trying her best to tend to her subjects of her entire way of living there, FIM, are ... you going to do anything about that? I kinda hope she has a small brood in incubation that she can raise as a new colony and keep going. That would split the Changlings almost like mosquitos; females drink blood (Chrysalis' brood feed the old fashioned way) whereas males drink nectar (King Sparklebug and friends feed the new way).
The series really needs to stop naming new antagonists-turned-friends as variations on Twilight's name.
I really like Princess Luna's design, but also kinda miss her original look. It's been hinted at that the waving mane is a symbol of pure power - Twilight's mane started floating and moving when she was trying to use the combined magic of Celestia, Luna, Cadence and herself to raise and lower the sun/moon - so I'd like to have seen if Luna's original form was her 'depowered' design and her current form is her at full strength. With a growth spurt.
The CMC's marks are horrible. The marks that were 'leaked' were MUCH nicer and the shield marks are a) lazy and b) go against everything Cutie Marks are supposed to stand for in this world.
The Brony callouts and references are skin-crawling for me, especially with backgrounders or memes appearing as jokes. Who thought Big Lebowski was a good reference to include?!
Discord is massively, MASSIVELY overrated and I don't get the amount of fawning he receives
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The Brony callouts and references are skin-crawling for me, especially with backgrounders or memes appearing as jokes. Who thought Big Lebowski was a good reference to include?!
To be fair, I don't think that was a brony reference - I think that it was more likely included by someone who was a fan of the movie.
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The Brony callouts and references are skin-crawling for me, especially with backgrounders or memes appearing as jokes. Who thought Big Lebowski was a good reference to include?!
To be fair, I don't think that was a brony reference - I think that it was more likely included by someone who was a fan of the movie.
No no, I meant as a general reference rather than a Brony specific one for something like Big Lebowski (poor grammer on my part!)
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The Brony callouts and references are skin-crawling for me, especially with backgrounders or memes appearing as jokes. Who thought Big Lebowski was a good reference to include?!
To be fair, I don't think that was a brony reference - I think that it was more likely included by someone who was a fan of the movie.
No no, I meant as a general reference rather than a Brony specific one for something like Big Lebowski (poor grammer on my part!)
To be fair, tons of cartoons constantly reference popular movies. The Godfather, The Matrix, Jurassic Park, JAWS, Star Wars.
FiM isn't the first or last to do so.
Looney Tunes, Zootopia, Animaniacs, SpongeBob, Mega Man, Gumball have just to name a few.
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I don't have a problem with references as long as they stay in the background. Like, having Doctor Whooves put on a scarf and say "allons-y!" in Slice of life was dumb because it's not a joke, it's just a reference that adds nothing to the scene. But when it's not the point of the scene anyway like putting Doctor Whooves and Roseluck next to each other in the background, that's not a joke, but it doesn't need to be. It's just a reference for those who are looking for it, which I'm totally fine with.
Which is why I despise Sia pony, because the only point of the character is to be Sia pony. So if you don't know Sia or you're watching an international version of the movie, it's just completely pointless :pout:
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I agree, the Changelings becoming colorful bugdeer really felt like the weakest writing of that season. Chrys had to be written like that so them turning on her would be more plausible and it was silly even for a show in which friendship cures everything.
Splitting them into two different hives sounds like a good idea that would have worked perfectly well.
I guess it didn't sit well with some viewers that a species was created that HAD to use others to eat. The ponies are vegetarians and I think so is Spike? Even though he really should cook Angel Bunny, but I digress.
The Changelings have technically been on a quest for survival and Chrys was acting like a good ruler, finding a perfect food source for them in the adored royals and their people. So in order to actually make her evil they had to give Changelings more options to feed and then have Chrysalis be a butt about it and not wanting to go the peaceful path because... this is FiM and we need to have an antagonist left for the next two-parter.
So now I just hope they will give her a few loyal subjects so she can stay the Alien Queen pony instead of Thorax's eventual bugdeer wife >_<
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I'm in the crowd that's been cool with Princess Twilight from the beginning, but I wish they'd postponed it a little. If the show's going to have 8+ seasons, ending the main character's character arc in season 3 hardly seems like the way to go :lookround:
In fact, it seems all of the mane 6 are done with their arcs at this point. I hope Starlight and Trixie get full main character privileges in season 8, with the mane 6 becoming side characters or something.
Also also replacing the Golden Oaks library with the crystal castle playset is just the worst! I'm all for changing the status quo, but the new castle is ugly. The library was a much better fit for Ponyville.
Ooh yes I agree. The castle is ugly and I feel like the library could have been left in ponyville,
because it was technically the town's library. I mean, they could have taken away the things that made it look like a bedroom. Maybe add some chairs and tables or research or just for reading. Twilight's loft type bedroom could have been another reading nook. Also, what's the deal with the castle of the two sisters (I think that's the name). What was the point in having everyone restore the old castle if nobody uses it.
That could have been Twilight's new castle. Why do us adult viewers have to think of everything?!
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In fact, it seems all of the mane 6 are done with their arcs at this point. I hope Starlight and Trixie get full main character privileges in season 8, with the mane 6 becoming side characters or something.
Agreed on all of the above. Starlight has issues that go far beyond any of the Six. It would be more interesting to do a spin-off and have her be the next Twilight. She already got the looks for it; pinks, purples and a unicorn - retailers like :P
Toy-wise I wish they would have made more collectible characters or at least make more toys out of the many ponies on the show.
We got some randos like that purple snob pony or Pursey Pink instead of speaking secondary characters like Treehugger, Hoity Toity or Gilda. And the nice Playful Ponies designs from the beginning never made it into the show. Like Feathermay or Dewdrop Dazzle. From both a fan and advertising stance it makes no sense to me. Don't keep your toys separate from your toy vehicle.
Another toy thing that irks me: butt ugly princesses. Sorry but the new princesses look like gum and lollipops. Their heads are so bulbous and misshapen, and Luna's still got the wrong color scheme. Never was a big fan of the old ones but now they look ridiculous. I don't wish my ponies to look starving. Even the giraffy G2s had more meat on their bones.
It's funny, but I actually assumed that Starlight would be the next Twilight. I assumed she would take on an apprentice and teach someone about the lessons of having friends. Otherwise what's the point in teaching Starlight all of these things if she doesn't pass them on eventually.
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Alicorn which I consider an incorrect term since the true term for an alicorn is a unicorn's horn without the unicorn
FINALLY someone says it.
I'm so glad this irks someone else like it does me. This wasn't a creative thing like Hasbro thinks. The term has already been taken and used for something else. I wish they had made up something.
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Toys-I really dislike the G4.5 designs, with the exception of Twilight as a seapony and the Queen of the Seaponies. The baby seaponies have wall eyes! :(
FiM-I wish Daring Do remained a fictional character in the storyline, as opposed to being the author herself.
I feel like Twilight's transition to Princess was rushed and is still incomplete.
I wish the villains would stay villains. Friendship doesn't solve everything.
I also miss the letters to Princess Celestia. I think the storylines of the other characters would really shine through if those were continued.
I am not a fan of the CMCs cutie marks.
I feel that there needs to be less background emphasis--less in depth episodes about the background ponies, focus more on the relationships of the mane 6. How their friendships strengthen over time. This part of the plot is lacking...usually episodes focus on one pony at a time, which is great, but how they are all connected is not addressed well enough.
Equestria Girls tried really, really hard to be a cross between High School Musical and Harry Potter. It failed miserably. Not a fan of any of it.
The only thing I like about FiM are the songs. Those are fun. I think the first few seasons (1-4) did well and I am slowly getting back into season 7.
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I'm really sorry to keep quoting people, but I see a lot of great ideas. I agree that I liked Daring Do as a fictional character and not the author herself. I mean, I guess it was great for Rainbow Dash to actually be able to see her hero as something real, like something she could touch but she seemed to do just fine with reading the books and enjoying the adventures that way.
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I agree, the Changelings becoming colorful bugdeer really felt like the weakest writing of that season. Chrys had to be written like that so them turning on her would be more plausible and it was silly even for a show in which friendship cures everything.
Splitting them into two different hives sounds like a good idea that would have worked perfectly well.
I guess it didn't sit well with some viewers that a species was created that HAD to use others to eat. The ponies are vegetarians and I think so is Spike? Even though he really should cook Angel Bunny, but I digress.
The Changelings have technically been on a quest for survival and Chrys was acting like a good ruler, finding a perfect food source for them in the adored royals and their people. So in order to actually make her evil they had to give Changelings more options to feed and then have Chrysalis be a butt about it and not wanting to go the peaceful path because... this is FiM and we need to have an antagonist left for the next two-parter.
So now I just hope they will give her a few loyal subjects so she can stay the Alien Queen pony instead of Thorax's eventual bugdeer wife >_<
Spike eats grass fine but seems to prefer gemstones. Off the top of my head I don't think he eats any meat and seems to be fine on a vegetarian diet, but then again, he might be eating something else when we're not looking. Fluttershy has been shown feeding animals appropriate foods (fish, worms) at times, gems are possibly his 'best' food.
It's almost like the screams vs. laughter from Monsters Inc.; there's no real reason not to use the better food source, apart from being a butt/not willing to change/some unknown reason we're not allowed to know. I honestly was waiting for Chrysalis to explain why she goes with one source over another; she seems like the kind of Queen that would go with the highest output for her trouble. If she simply didn't know this is part of their lifecycle ... Fear? Actually, it would be neat if the metamorphosis happens but suddenly their life is shortened or something. I know in the comics she is depicted as an abusive leader most of the time, which again I wasn't a fan of. I like the idea of a rular doing all they can to help their subjects ... and is still 'wrong' and 'evil' because of the way they do it or simply how that takes its toll on anyone who isn't her subject.
I don't know, I don't understand why they just have to keep 'removing' threats. Nothing is allowed to be a recurring danger; not a monster, not a villain, not even a place like Everfree. A villain who can shapeshift, steals your love, has a very large loyal army, and is doing so for a very good reason from her perspective? Perfect recurring danger fodder! If they had to do the metamorphosis thing, split the hive between those that simply can't feed traditionally (maybe bad at shapeshifting or something), and Chrysalis has to accept she can't help all of her people. She doesn't seem like the kind to tolerate frustration, that would be a neat idea. She wouldn't be HAPPY, but she'd accept that sometimes even her best efforts fail. The 'changed' Changlings might have to suffer not living in their hive with Chrysalis anymore, but at least they have each other, and some pony friends. Nothing would say they HAVE to rat out Chrysalis to the ponys when she gets up to something, nor that Chrysalis would have to talk to them about food (i.e. talking to you would tip you off, I'm not going to do that). I didn't like the fact she didn't see through her own Changling's disguises ... I'd make sure that, as Queen, no Changling could disguise themselves from her and no Changling would ever lose track of their Queen, even when perfectly disguised.
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You know I forgot to mention that Flurry Heart reminds me of Poof from Fairly Odd Parents. Reason being, that high pitched giggle and the fact that the fairy baby causes chaos with their new powers and at first it was because they didn't know what they were doing and then they did it and became more chaos.
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You know I forgot to mention that Flurry Heart reminds me of Poof from Fairly Odd Parents. Reason being, that high pitched giggle and the fact that the fairy baby causes chaos with their new powers and at first it was because they didn't know what they were doing and then they did it and became more chaos.
my friend had this same exact observation!! she doesnt talk, high pitched giggles, unexplainable power, ....purple....
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No no, I meant as a general reference rather than a Brony specific one for something like Big Lebowski (poor grammer on my part!)
Got it, thanks for clarifying (I see people saying these references are for Bronies, and I assumed that's what you were doing).
I'm so glad this irks someone else like it does me. This wasn't a creative thing like Hasbro thinks. The term has already been taken and used for something else. I wish they had made up something.
To be fair, there has been at least one other occurrence of "alicorn" being used as to describe a "Winged Unicorn" - I know it can mean a unicorn's horn and something from a unicorn's horn, but it has been used to describe a "Winged Unicorn" at least once before, that's most likely why they went with it.
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I for one would be quite happy for more well real cloth clothing, I dislike the plastic as it can stain ponies. As well as how about more boy ponies, and nice brush able hair for them, or others that dont have to be in fashion style size.
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Which is why I despise Sia pony, because the only point of the character is to be Sia pony. So if you don't know Sia or you're watching an international version of the movie, it's just completely pointless :pout:
-nodnod- This, exactly. Honestly, I have no idea who Sia is, I'd never heard of her before the cast list was released. Still haven't heard any of her stuff. XD It's just a weird thing that'll probably end up really dating the film.
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I'd heard of her before the cast list, she's been going quite a while. Also, it will not date the movie because not only has she been going before the show even started, references do not date anything in my opinion - they just add an extra layer of nostalgia to the subject in my opinion.
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Starlight Glimmer. Bargain bin Sunset Shimmer who gets WAY more attention, from fans and the show alike.
Moondancer. Ugh. Leave her in g1, please.
McFlurry. Eugh.
Making Daring Do real. WHY.
Juniper Montage. Worst villain, design is a ripoff of Gaia Everfree. Their hair is like EXACTLY the same color.
Naming it Seaquestria. I'm SO ANGRY about that. They seriously couldn't think of anything else? Why does every other country in the FIMverse have to be a derivative of Equestria?
Speaking of which, worldbuilding in general. The Crystal Empire being... a tiny town, and a part of Equestria at that (why... not just call it Crystal City.......). How unclear the status of other countries (changeling kingdom, zebra country, dragon lands, breezie realm) is. Really, the only thing that's explicitly stated to be an independent country is Griffonstone.
The buffaloes and yaks are horribly offensive, and I reject them as canon.
Timber Spruce. Why did you have to give SciTwi a male love interest after queerbaiting her so hard with Sunset?
I'll add more as I think of em. As much as I love FIM, I have a lot to complain about, lol.
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Yeah, the buffalo = Native American thing was such a bad idea and it honestly baffles me when people say the quality of FiM has gone so downhill when this mess was in the very first season.
It made the Apple family into bad people and the overall message of sharing was ridiculous given the entire natives vs settlers metaphor.
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I know who Sia is, I've heard her music but I'm not a fan. Apparently Hasbro thought she was awesome enough to have a pony version of her. Honestly I think her whole hiding her face thing is stupid.
She has been seen without her wigs before through leaks and stuff. Her thing was to be anonymous so that if people saw her on the street they wouldn't know it was her and she could be a normal person.
You know it's too bad that David Bowie passed away, because I feel like he could have been the one to have done a cameo in the movie instead of Sia. He could have looked like Ziggy Stardust or something. It would have been epic.
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Yeah, the buffalo = Native American thing was such a bad idea and it honestly baffles me when people say the quality of FiM has gone so downhill when this mess was in the very first season.
It made the Apple family into bad people and the overall message of sharing was ridiculous given the entire natives vs settlers metaphor.
That entire episode was a brain fart by Faust starting with a 2000 horse power train (complete with locomotive) pulled by 4 ponies. However, the buffalo and the conflict were handled terribly.
I think we're more forgiving of earlier seasons because they're earlier seasons. There are always growing pains. However, when you pull the same stunt in Season 5 or worse, there is no excuse.
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Yeah, the buffalo = Native American thing was such a bad idea and it honestly baffles me when people say the quality of FiM has gone so downhill when this mess was in the very first season.
It made the Apple family into bad people and the overall message of sharing was ridiculous given the entire natives vs settlers metaphor.
That entire episode was a brain fart by Faust starting with a 2000 horse power train (complete with locomotive) pulled by 4 ponies. However, the buffalo and the conflict were handled terribly.
I think we're more forgiving of earlier seasons because they're earlier seasons. There are always growing pains. However, when you pull the same stunt in Season 5 or worse, there is no excuse.
I don't see it as growing pains, it was a tired storyline and wrong on another level. Anyone could have recognized that this wasn't a good idea for any sharing message because we all know that stealing land is not sharing.
About the Yaks, the FiM folks just continued to portray different people as different animals because that's what they established in the very first season. They just don't care.
I wish they would finally show the zebra land but it would probably be just straw huts and zebras banging on drums :lookround:
I know who Sia is, I've heard her music but I'm not a fan. Apparently Hasbro thought she was awesome enough to have a pony version of her. Honestly I think her whole hiding her face thing is stupid.
She has been seen without her wigs before through leaks and stuff. Her thing was to be anonymous so that if people saw her on the street they wouldn't know it was her and she could be a normal person.
You know it's too bad that David Bowie passed away, because I feel like he could have been the one to have done a cameo in the movie instead of Sia. He could have looked like Ziggy Stardust or something. It would have been epic.
So you would have wanted a celeb ponysona with a silly gimmick, just not the celeb they have chosen because you don't like her music, but do you really think kids would have recognized and hyped Bowie Pony? It would have been just another thing for the parents and adult fans like having Big Lebowski ponies that many here seem to hate especially.
Sia is popular right now and she has been around for a long while. Just didn't use the gimmick.
I think the Sia pony is just a visual gag for the movie song. She's only there to deliver the song and that's it. It's ok to not like her, but it's cross-marketing for the soundtrack.
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Actually, that gets into a larger issue. Why is the world Equestria is in an analogue for our world? All the cultures are essentially cultures we have. Equestria is just the U.S. and southern Canada with horse puns. Couldn't they have created a world that did not fit our world so exactly? I can already here the "It's so kids can relate better" which is a pathetic excuse for laziness.
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Actually, that gets into a larger issue. Why is the world Equestria is in an analogue for our world? All the cultures are essentially cultures we have. Equestria is just the U.S. and southern Canada with horse puns. Couldn't they have created a world that did not fit our world so exactly? I can already here the "It's so kids can relate better" which is a pathetic excuse for laziness.
The Moochick's song, Everybody Has to Have a Home. He sang about real locations that he, a resident of a fantasy land shouldn't have known about, since he'd only met Megan once prior and they hadn't had time to chit-chat about Earth's geography on their way to stop Tirek.
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G1 had the out of Megan being from our world. The fact our world exists is enough. Who's to say he doesn't trot to and from out of sight? He seemed quite at home at the villa in Capri.
It also plays to his eccentric old man persona. Why does he know of these places? Because he's the freaking Moochic.
FiM has no connection at all. And it's not just one eccentric old man, it's the whole place. And, as this conversation has shown, it opens us up to all kinds of issues when this show tries to get topical.
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I think G1 started doing it with MLP Tales. But everyone was just a pony. I remember an episode with the Family ponies that took place in what was obviously meant to be Hawaii and they were represented as natives.
But they weren't another species, they weren't "primitive" and the message was about overcoming prejudice.
Something the first season of FiM did with all the ponies judging Zecora's appearance and customs and spreading rumors about her just because she was a zebra... then in the same season ponies take away land from other species. The pony race in G4 is kind of terrible and that's why they need a Princess of Friendship and a Princess of Love :lol:
But seriously, that's what I would change about the show. That all people are just ponies and not other species. Or at least horse-like like the Saddle Arabians who are just Arabian horses and not camels with turbans or something dumb like that.
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I think G1 started doing it with MLP Tales. But everyone was just a pony. I remember an episode with the Family ponies that took place in what was obviously meant to be Hawaii and they were represented as natives.
But they weren't another species, they weren't "primitive" and the message was about overcoming prejudice.
Something the first season of FiM did with all the ponies judging Zecora's appearance and customs and spreading rumors about her just because she was a zebra... then in the same season ponies take away land from other species. The pony race in G4 is kind of terrible and that's why they need a Princess of Friendship and a Princess of Love :lol:
But seriously, that's what I would change about the show. That all people are just ponies and not other species. Or at least horse-like like the Saddle Arabians who are just Arabian horses and not camels with turbans or something dumb like that.
Yeah they have a superiority problem alright.
Would the lead camel be named Sheik Carbombya? And would he swear on the honor of his family's livestock? :lol:
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Hahaha! Oh man, I remember Carbombya. Or the international battle of the bands in Jem and the group from Japan were just a bunch of Geishas. I guess Hasbro can't stop being Hasbro ;)
But wouldn't it be cute if there were international ponies (more than just fake accents but actual pony lands with other cultures) and they'd all kind of correspond to horse breeds from those places, like the Saddle Arabians?
Maybe I've found myself a fanart project.
That brings me to donkeys. Donkeys can talk and seem to live with ponies. But at least Rarity has called mules ugly before. So there is even more prejudice! Terrible ponies! :lol:
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Hahaha! Oh man, I remember Carbombya. Or the international battle of the bands in Jem and the group from Japan were just a bunch of Geishas. I guess Hasbro can't stop being Hasbro ;)
But wouldn't it be cute if there were international ponies (more than just fake accents but actual pony lands with other cultures) and they'd all kind of correspond to horse breeds from those places, like the Saddle Arabians?
Maybe I've found myself a fanart project.
That brings me to donkeys. Donkeys can talk and seem to live with ponies. But at least Rarity has called mules ugly before. So there is even more prejudice! Terrible ponies! :lol:
That would be really cool.
Wigwam and Kimono would of course have to come back. Oh and Desert Palm and Baby Paws and Lancer and brand new ones for other places.
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I think Larsen said he got a lot of hate mail over Saddle Arabia and its inhabitants. I know it long time to make a brony board I was on understand that the Saddle Arabians were designed to resemble Arabian horses (they didn't even know there was such a breed). So, maybe Hasbro believes they need to be different species so the kiddies (and bronies) understand they're different.
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I think Larsen said he got a lot of hate mail over Saddle Arabia and its inhabitants. I know it long time to make a brony board I was on understand that the Saddle Arabians were designed to resemble Arabian horses (they didn't even know there was such a breed). So, maybe Hasbro believes they need to be different species so the kiddies (and bronies) understand they're different.
Waah wah wah I say! Nm that Arabian horses are one of the most beautiful, popular and easily recognizable breeds.
Then again, I actually met some people who actually believed horses had humanoid mammary glands instead of teats like other four legged mammals. :pout:
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Then again, I actually met some people who actually believed horses had humanoid mammary glands instead of teats like other four legged mammals. :pout:
I wouldn't be all surprised if it wasn't because of a certain brony fan character with such anatomy.
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Hatemail because they weren't MLPs or hatemail because they came from the pony equivalent of Arabia? I don't quite get it.
Tbh, back when that episode aired I thought they were meant as a callback to Dream Beauties or the Carousel ponies with the molded on saddles. Very pretty designs.
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Then again, I met some people who actually believed horses had humanoid mammary glands instead of teats like other four legged mammals. :pout:
I wouldn't be all surprised if it wasn't because of a certain brony fan character with such anatomy.
That's no excuse. Thats like saying they don't know what a real cow, shark or dog looks like. Unless those people were part of a super bizarre and specific experiment since birth, they've seen a horse at a pony ride, or on a calendar or carousel.
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Hatemail because they weren't MLPs or hatemail because they came from the pony equivalent of Arabia? I don't quite get it.
Tbh, back when that episode aired I thought they were meant as a callback to Dream Beauties or the Carousel ponies with the molded on saddles. Very pretty designs.
I actually haven't seen them. I'll take a look.
Edit: They are pretty and have muzzles. I want Hasbro to make those.
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G1 had the out of Megan being from our world. The fact our world exists is enough. Who's to say he doesn't trot to and from out of sight? He seemed quite at home at the villa in Capri.
It also plays to his eccentric old man persona. Why does he know of these places? Because he's the freaking Moochic.
FiM has no connection at all. And it's not just one eccentric old man, it's the whole place. And, as this conversation has shown, it opens us up to all kinds of issues when this show tries to get topical.
I really like the idea that the Moochick might travel between our world and Ponyland whenever he wants. Come to think of it he didn't seem sursprised at all that Megan and the ponies came looking for him.
I didn't like the yak characters at all. They were very rude and didn't even try to acknowledge that the ponies even tried to make them feel at home. Then there was the whole build up with Pinkie traveling to Yakistan only to slide all the way back to Ponyville and then to say that the ponies shouldn't have tried to make accomendations for the yaks but to show them what was unique about Ponyville didn't make sense at all.
I think the "Ponies in Paradise" episode of Tales was a good episode showing how someone shouldn't judge someone else before getting to know them. Poor Bright really thought the tropical ponies were going to throw her in the volcano.
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Then again, I met some people who actually believed horses had humanoid mammary glands instead of teats like other four legged mammals. :pout:
I wouldn't be all surprised if it wasn't because of a certain brony fan character with such anatomy.
That's no excuse. Thats like saying they don't know what a real cow, shark or dog looks like. Unless those people were part of a super bizarre and specific experiment since birth, they've seen a horse at a pony ride, or on a calendar or carousel.
These are the same people who thought Tank was actually dying and that the cider the Apple's were serving two minutes after they pressed it was alcoholic.
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I wish they'd never brought EG in.
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Please don't hate me, but I think they forgot their original audience when it came to the TV show and it's pandering to.... well, not little girls or MLP collectors.
The toys have killed my interest. Same ponies over and over except for the rare exception. I am going to purge a large part of my G4 collection, but I need to find the motivation to do it.
My boyfriend and I were talking about this. We are both on the feminist side, but not like feminists who believe women are better than men by any means. But we were in Wal-Mart looking at the G4 action figures and the lack of variety in brushables (which he thinks are cooler even though he is not a collector). He basically said....."Why can't something just be feminine these days? Why must they make these action figures? They are hideous!"
Now don't get me wrong, we see nothing wrong with male collectors getting in from the G4 train (it's really the obnoxious bronies I hate- not all- just the hateful ones), and I am not trying to insult those who like the action figures. But we are both like.....eww. I know times have changed, but I think part of G1's success was the variety of ponies. Now it's just the same Bore 6 with the occasional other thrown in.
I haven't been at the Arena much lately because my interest in ponies has taken a hiatus, and G4 is part of that. There is nothing to look forward to in stores anymore. I don't need 30 Pinkie Pies. I don't need 10 Celestias.
Just my opinion. Please don't hate me.
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Please don't hate me, but I think they forgot their original audience when it came to the TV show and it's pandering to.... well, not little girls or MLP collectors.
The toys have killed my interest. Same ponies over and over except for the rare exception. I am going to purge a large part of my G4 collection, but I need to find the motivation to do it.
My boyfriend and I were talking about this. We are both on the feminist side, but not like feminists who believe women are better than men by any means. But we were in Wal-Mart looking at the G4 action figures and the lack of variety in brushables (which he thinks are cooler even though he is not a collector). He basically said....."Why can't something just be feminine these days? Why must they make these action figures? They are hideous!"
Now don't get me wrong, we see nothing wrong with male collectors getting in from the G4 train (it's really the obnoxious bronies I hate- not all- just the hateful ones), and I am not trying to insult those who like the action figures. But we are both like.....eww. I know times have changed, but I think part of G1's success was the variety of ponies. Now it's just the same Bore 6 with the occasional other thrown in.
I haven't been at the Arena much lately because my interest in ponies has taken a hiatus, and G4 is part of that. There is nothing to look forward to in stores anymore. I don't need 30 Pinkie Pies. I don't need 10 Celestias.
Just my opinion. Please don't hate me.
Why would we hate you for an opinion dazzlekitty? :hug:
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Please don't hate me, but I think they forgot their original audience when it came to the TV show and it's pandering to.... well, not little girls or MLP collectors.
The toys have killed my interest. Same ponies over and over except for the rare exception. I am going to purge a large part of my G4 collection, but I need to find the motivation to do it.
My boyfriend and I were talking about this. We are both on the feminist side, but not like feminists who believe women are better than men by any means. But we were in Wal-Mart looking at the G4 action figures and the lack of variety in brushables (which he thinks are cooler even though he is not a collector). He basically said....."Why can't something just be feminine these days? Why must they make these action figures? They are hideous!"
Now don't get me wrong, we see nothing wrong with male collectors getting in from the G4 train (it's really the obnoxious bronies I hate- not all- just the hateful ones), and I am not trying to insult those who like the action figures. But we are both like.....eww. I know times have changed, but I think part of G1's success was the variety of ponies. Now it's just the same Bore 6 with the occasional other thrown in.
I haven't been at the Arena much lately because my interest in ponies has taken a hiatus, and G4 is part of that. There is nothing to look forward to in stores anymore. I don't need 30 Pinkie Pies. I don't need 10 Celestias.
Just my opinion. Please don't hate me.
Why would we hate you for an opinion dazzlekitty? :hug:
Especially since that's the opinion i have seen the most here.Plus that's stupid to hate someone for an opinion anyway.
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I agree with everyone else. We won't hate you for expressing your opinion
Dazzlekitty.
I never liked the Diamond Dogs. I have never been able to sit through that whole episode.
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I'm with you on Guardians of Harmony and most of the molded hair stuff. I feel like Hasbro is so enraptured by the brony craze, they forget they're the peripheral audience.
I wish they had done something different with the diamond dogs than made them monsters of the week. It would have shown Rarity's business acumen if she had hammered out a deal with them.
I've pictured a different version of diamond dogs who weren't as grotesque in appearance and could actually speak in complete sentences. They're gem tradesman digging up jewels and selling them across the world.
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I've never liked the Diamond Dogs either. They're just really ugly and have those awful voices. I skip that episode when I go through watching FiM over again.
Also I wish the toy versions of Luna were dark blue like she's supposed to be and not purple. They fixed Celestia after she was pink instead of white at first. They need to fix Luna next. Several years back I went to Target when I was finally near one for the sole purpose of getting a Luna. Found her and decided not to because she was too purple.
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Killed off the Apple parents. Im glad theyve come pretty close to confirming it (while not 100 percent) but id like it better if they werent dead.
I too think they shouldnt have gone with g3s "cutie mark" for g4 symbols. It just sounds stupid for something so serious. I hated the cmcs for the longest time just because they keep saying it.
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I didn't like the yak characters at all. They were very rude and didn't even try to acknowledge that the ponies even tried to make them feel at home. Then there was the whole build up with Pinkie traveling to Yakistan only to slide all the way back to Ponyville and then to say that the ponies shouldn't have tried to make accomendations for the yaks but to show them what was unique about Ponyville didn't make sense at all.
I think the "Ponies in Paradise" episode of Tales was a good episode showing how someone shouldn't judge someone else before getting to know them. Poor Bright really thought the tropical ponies were going to throw her in the volcano.
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I didn't like the yaks either, the whole episode just seemed like a bad idea, and I don't like how all non-ponies are the same as each other, because that's the impression that they give with the yaks - that all yaks at this way, like how all the griffons (except Gabby) seem to act a certain way, yet ponies are unique and individual. It's pretty lazy to imply that everyone from that species are the same (until suddenly, you create a character like Gabby) - they should differentiate them more, like they do with the ponies, not have them all the same except possibly one "special case".
As much as I love My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (albeit, the earlier episodes more), it seems to be becoming a common theme, to see a bad episode (in my opinion) and realise that My Little Pony Tales has already done a superior version. I've already viewed "The Impractical Joker" as "28 Pranks Later" done correctly, and "Gribet" kind of shows how "Tanks For The Memories" could have been done better (i.e. have Tank be released or something, so it looks more final - they did so much better in that episode for a frog the ponies have known for all of five minutes, than for a tortoise that has been Rainbow Dash's pet for years now).
And to think "And the Winner Is..." and "The Ticket Master" were able to co-exist with each other just fine, in my opinion.
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I didn't like the yak characters at all. They were very rude and didn't even try to acknowledge that the ponies even tried to make them feel at home. Then there was the whole build up with Pinkie traveling to Yakistan only to slide all the way back to Ponyville and then to say that the ponies shouldn't have tried to make accomendations for the yaks but to show them what was unique about Ponyville didn't make sense at all.
I think the "Ponies in Paradise" episode of Tales was a good episode showing how someone shouldn't judge someone else before getting to know them. Poor Bright really thought the tropical ponies were going to throw her in the volcano.
Ponyfan
I didn't like the yaks either, the whole episode just seemed like a bad idea, and I don't like how all non-ponies are the same as each other, because that's the impression that they give with the yaks - that all yaks at this way, like how all the griffons (except Gabby) seem to act a certain way, yet ponies are unique and individual. It's pretty lazy to imply that everyone from that species are the same (until suddenly, you create a character like Gabby) - they should differentiate them more, like they do with the ponies, not have them all the same except possibly one "special case".
As much as I love My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (albeit, the earlier episodes more), it seems to be becoming a common theme, to see a bad episode (in my opinion) and realise that My Little Pony Tales has already done a superior version. I've already viewed "The Impractical Joker" as "28 Pranks Later" done correctly, and "Gribet" kind of shows how "Tanks For The Memories" could have been done better (i.e. have Tank be released or something, so it looks more final - they did so much better in that episode for a frog the ponies have known for all of five minutes, than for a tortoise that has been Rainbow Dash's pet for years now).
And to think "And the Winner Is..." and "The Ticket Master" were able to co-exist with each other just fine, in my opinion.
I hope that doesn't mean FiM is going to have a worse version of Shop Talk... :yikes:
I'm not so sure about 28 Pranks Later, for me it's a copy of Mysterious Mare Do Well, and while i didn't like it, it didn't have the character supposed to get the lesson be like meh i'm going to ignore it like Patch did.
I agree for And the Winner Is though, just the fact that it didn't have Celestia magically fix the conflict at the end makes it better than Ticket Master.
Edit : am i being censored for wanting to write Trol lestia?Come on that's exactly what happens in the episode.
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I wish Hasbro had used the G1 characters Lauren Faust wanted to use- Twilight, Firefly, Glory, Surprise, and Posey- instead of falsely claiming they 'didn't have the copyrights' so they could keep their g3 trademarks.
I wish Hasbro had forced Lauren Faust to actually watch the G1 cartoon again, so she'd realize it had it's own mythology, and wasn't just 'tea parties' like in her hazy recollections of the show from from childhood.
I wish Ponyland had been used instead of Equestria, Dream Valley instead of Ponyville, and Majesty instead of Celestia. Transformers didn't scrap it's whole mythology with it's reboots, so why did Pony throw away everything but the core concept, and a few names?
I wish G4 had not thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
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Yeah, the buffalo = Native American thing was such a bad idea and it honestly baffles me when people say the quality of FiM has gone so downhill when this mess was in the very first season.
It made the Apple family into bad people and the overall message of sharing was ridiculous given the entire natives vs settlers metaphor.
FOR REAL. I find the first season incredibly weak, tbh. The second was better, but still not too special. I stand by that seasons 4-6 were the peak of the show.
Also, Dream Valley is a way cooler name than Ponyville. That's like having a city named Personville. I do prefer Equestria to Ponyland, though - it just sounds more like a country name, and the country overall has a more modern and developed feel to it than the rather hazy Ponyland. That being said, I feel they could have woven g1 references into Equestria a little more - having g1 as mythology or even religion (though that wouldn't fly on a kids show lol) REALLY would've been interesting. Instead of Starswirl the Bearded, we could've had Glory the Magnificent as the main unicorn historical figure, and the Sirens could've been g1 characters, and we could've had more g1 names mentioned as being prominent in history. We've gotten General Firefly, and at least one other that Starlight mentioned in her debut, but they could have expanded upon that greatly.
On a semi-related note, I headcanon that a lot of the Equestrian city/place names that are "haha horse pun XD" on human places (Fillydelphia, Baltimare, Vanhoover, etc) aren't the actual names of the places - their actual names are like, Sparkle City or Friendship City or Dream Valley or Friendship Gardens or something to that extent. (Yes, I KNOW it's not real, but let me have my ideal version of Equestria, ok? :P )
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1. Discord. Have yet to find him funny as a villain or as a good guy.
2. The inaccurate toys. They don't really resemble the show's characters (remember pink Celestia, or Princess Sunbuirn as I call her?)
3. Rainbow Dash's character. Her antics are pretty much all the same. She's boastful, obnoxious and really not someone worth being around much of the time. Firefly is a better version of her.
4, The random meme references as others have said. Yes other shows do it but they don't make it so blatantly obvious. Animaniacs did a better job with this.
5. The logo (both for the 2017 movie and the show itself). It's bland and uninteresting. It doesn't really feel like it fits with the franchise.
6. Baby Flurry Heart. She flies like she's had too many cans of red bull and the storylines around her are generally bland.
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Starlight Glimmer. Bargain bin Sunset Shimmer who gets WAY more attention, from fans and the show alike.
Moondancer. Ugh. Leave her in g1, please.
McFlurry. Eugh.
Making Daring Do real. WHY.
Juniper Montage. Worst villain, design is a ripoff of Gaia Everfree. Their hair is like EXACTLY the same color.
Naming it Seaquestria. I'm SO ANGRY about that. They seriously couldn't think of anything else? Why does every other country in the FIMverse have to be a derivative of Equestria?
Speaking of which, worldbuilding in general. The Crystal Empire being... a tiny town, and a part of Equestria at that (why... not just call it Crystal City.......). How unclear the status of other countries (changeling kingdom, zebra country, dragon lands, breezie realm) is. Really, the only thing that's explicitly stated to be an independent country is Griffonstone.
The buffaloes and yaks are horribly offensive, and I reject them as canon.
Timber Spruce. Why did you have to give SciTwi a male love interest after queerbaiting her so hard with Sunset?
I'll add more as I think of em. As much as I love FIM, I have a lot to complain about, lol.
Amen on Starlight. She's hurt the show significantly.
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I can't remember if I've already posted in this thread or not, so please forgive me if I repeat myself.
1. The buffalo episode was sooo terrible, hooboy.
Like, imagine an episode with this set up: a bunch of creatures stay in Fluttershy's house, even though she doesn't want them there. She tries to get them to leave, but they won't . . . Oh wait, we don't have to imagine this episode because it happened, it was "It Ain't Easy Being Breezie." And the moral wasn't "And then Fluttershy realized she was being SELFISH by not accepting permanent squatters, and that she just needed to SHARE more."
*whispers* Because that moral is dumb.
Then you consider the historical context and it gets worse. Because none of the American Indians' problems--like, you know, having the actual buffalo herds they depended on slaughtered en masse by the US Army--stemmed from 'not sharing enough.'
2. The existence of more than two alicorns. I never liked the idea of alicorns to begin with, I thought it was an over-the-top, Mary-Sue-ish idea. But FIM sold me on Celestia and Luna. It was okay that they were over-the-top because they were supposed to be. But then we get the alicorn of . . . Love. And the alicorn of . . . Friendship. For having, um, pretty average and unremarkable friendship skills, really. :/ And then the alicorn of . . . Being Born An Alicorn.
Yeeeeah, sorry, I'm back to thinking alicorns are dumb and Mary-Sue-ish. (I get it, The Toys Sell. But I don't have to like them.)
3. The yaks. Wow, who is greenlighting these terrible episodes?
4. Fluttershy's brother hitting on Rainbow Dash and her just silently enduring it instead of telling him that she is not interested. Very out of character, and not funny to play it up as humorous on a show aimed at little girls.
I really feel like they included it because they were afraid of Fluttershy's brother being perceived as gay, which makes it even more annoying. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but there is something wrong with being a creep.
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Actually, Ponyland fits with the naming conventions of many countries. It's the land of the ponies, hence Ponyland. Though, it is very hazy just what Ponyland is since they all seem to live in building. I prefer the term Dream Valley as the valley is easier to define.
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I can't remember if I've already posted in this thread or not, so please forgive me if I repeat myself.
1. The buffalo episode was sooo terrible, hooboy.
Like, imagine an episode with this set up: a bunch of creatures stay in Fluttershy's house, even though she doesn't want them there. She tries to get them to leave, but they won't . . . Oh wait, we don't have to imagine this episode because it happened, it was "It Ain't Easy Being Breezie." And the moral wasn't "And then Fluttershy realized she was being SELFISH by not accepting permanent squatters, and that she just needed to SHARE more."
*whispers* Because that moral is dumb.
Then you consider the historical context and it gets worse. Because none of the American Indians' problems--like, you know, having the actual buffalo herds they depended on slaughtered en masse by the US Army--stemmed from 'not sharing enough.'
2. The existence of more than two alicorns. I never liked the idea of alicorns to begin with, I thought it was an over-the-top, Mary-Sue-ish idea. But FIM sold me on Celestia and Luna. It was okay that they were over-the-top because they were supposed to be. But then we get the alicorn of . . . Love. And the alicorn of . . . Friendship. For having, um, pretty average and unremarkable friendship skills, really. :/ And then the alicorn of . . . Being Born An Alicorn.
Yeeeeah, sorry, I'm back to thinking alicorns are dumb and Mary-Sue-ish. (I get it, The Toys Sell. But I don't have to like them.)
3. The yaks. Wow, who is greenlighting these terrible episodes?
4. Fluttershy's brother hitting on Rainbow Dash and her just silently enduring it instead of telling him that she is not interested. Very out of character, and not funny to play it up as humorous on a show aimed at little girls.
I really feel like they included it because they were afraid of Fluttershy's brother being perceived as gay, which makes it even more annoying. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but there is something wrong with being a creep.
At the last.
He must be friends with Garf. :biggrin:
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Oh my god. Headcanon accepted. :lmao:
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Oh my god. Headcanon accepted. :lmao:
:haha:
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To me, ZB was obviously written to be full of himself and that includes thinking everybody loves you and admires you. He also used his "hitting on" RD to show he's not interested in her. So I don't get how that reads as trying to show he's not gay. Acting like you are not into women because of "other reasons" is perceived as hella gay in the real world :lol:
ZB is not interested in RD. He is interested in pretending she admires him, but in that episode he never tried to pursue her.
Or pur-mary sue her, amirite :lol:
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Heh heh, "pur-mary sue". XD
Oh, I forgot to mention Discord.
I don't like that they redeemed him. I'm okay with some villains doing an about-face. Like Trixie becoming an ally--that's really cool. Gilda not being totally terrible--okay, that is believable. But this dude is a chaos-demon who was so terrible that he was the reason Celestia and Luna had to take charge and rally the ponies, way back in the day. When Celestia is telling his backstory and showing them the stained glass mirror depicting his rise, there are faint screams in the background. I am not buying that he just needed some friendship.
Also, I just hate when villains are 'wasted' like that. I'm glad Chrysalis is still out there somewhere, plotting revenge.
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Didn't Discord almost send Tree Hugger in to oblivion after he reformed because Fluttershy invited her to the Gala and not him? , if Discord was fully reformed I don't think he'd do that to an innocent pony so easily.
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I haven't watched the show since... oh dear... when was the last time I watched it lol. So I'm not up to speed on what is going on. I do remember watching the first episodes with Flurry Heart but I basically stopped watching after a Luna episode sometime before that... however, I tried to catch up but just could not bring myself to watch every episode.
From what I skimmed here so far it sounds like the focus is moving or trying to move from the main 6... you know what the problem I see here is? The toys still don't reflect this.
I still refuse to say the G3/4 word for symbol
Still don't care for the term Brony and Pegasister
Still don't like to use the term 'Alicorn' for Winged Unicorns (which reminds me, I asked a long time ago what terms were used in other countries before Alicorn became popular. This stemmed from the fact that I remember Pegasus from Sailor Moon having a horn and the word Pegasus was still used.)
Still don't like that the CMC's talents were obvious but the symbols don't reflect that and look the same other than a minor detail.
And even though I don't watch the show.. I'm still unsure how I feel about Trixie and Starlight..
Edit: Oh yeah Discord... I'm not happy about that at all. Something for fan services I guess... which is something I do remember happening on several occasions before I stopped watching the show.
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After the latest Discord episode I hope the showrunners/writers finally caught on to the fact that Discord is better when he tries to be helpful. He can still mess up and spread chaos but he is no longer this manipulative jerkface that seemingly just wanted to own Fluttershy.
He was the one character I really hated after they brought him back. It was a little obvious this wasn't planned. They wanted to leave him in his role as an antagonist. But now they even gave him a weakness to stop his all-powerfullness.
Imo he should have never been around as much, but at least they are going into a good direction with him.
But that Tirek two-parter is still fresh in my head. The only thing Discord-related that I loved was how he so blindly trusted Tirek to be his evil bestie (the glass window with the sword and the baguette was so cute).
I kind of want evil besties. Can't Chrysalis work something out with another villain? :lol:
Maybe she could even feed off this love for her.
You hear me, Hasbro? :cool:
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I kind of want evil besties. Can't Chrysalis work something out with another villain? :lol:
Maybe she could even feed off this love for her.
You hear me, Hasbro? :cool:
I DIG THIS.
Thinking about the last episode with Chrysalis in it, I will say that I didn't mind Discord in the episode where Starlight Glimmer, Trixie, and Discord had to team up. I honestly did enjoy that.
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I actually liked Discord in that episode too :) It's the one time I've enjoyed him in an episode.
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Something came to mind watching the leaked episode, letting the show writers name ponies. I can't hear J.K. Yearling and not cringe. Everything has to be a joke with them, a bad joke.
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I can't remember if I've already posted in this thread or not, so please forgive me if I repeat myself.
1. The buffalo episode was sooo terrible, hooboy.
Like, imagine an episode with this set up: a bunch of creatures stay in Fluttershy's house, even though she doesn't want them there. She tries to get them to leave, but they won't . . . Oh wait, we don't have to imagine this episode because it happened, it was "It Ain't Easy Being Breezie." And the moral wasn't "And then Fluttershy realized she was being SELFISH by not accepting permanent squatters, and that she just needed to SHARE more."
*whispers* Because that moral is dumb.
Then you consider the historical context and it gets worse. Because none of the American Indians' problems--like, you know, having the actual buffalo herds they depended on slaughtered en masse by the US Army--stemmed from 'not sharing enough.'
2. The existence of more than two alicorns. I never liked the idea of alicorns to begin with, I thought it was an over-the-top, Mary-Sue-ish idea. But FIM sold me on Celestia and Luna. It was okay that they were over-the-top because they were supposed to be. But then we get the alicorn of . . . Love. And the alicorn of . . . Friendship. For having, um, pretty average and unremarkable friendship skills, really. :/ And then the alicorn of . . . Being Born An Alicorn.
Yeeeeah, sorry, I'm back to thinking alicorns are dumb and Mary-Sue-ish. (I get it, The Toys Sell. But I don't have to like them.)
3. The yaks. Wow, who is greenlighting these terrible episodes?
4. Fluttershy's brother hitting on Rainbow Dash and her just silently enduring it instead of telling him that she is not interested. Very out of character, and not funny to play it up as humorous on a show aimed at little girls.
I really feel like they included it because they were afraid of Fluttershy's brother being perceived as gay, which makes it even more annoying. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but there is something wrong with being a creep.
The use of the word Alicorn to describe a winged unicorn is my least favorite thing. Second only to: Cutie Mark.
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1. I don't like that (only) Twilight became a Princess, as if it wasn't for her friends, she would have never gotten where she was. She's always praised for things that the mane five already came with. And yes, way too early as well.
2. Seeing Princess Celestia's weak side. I hated the episode where you saw Celesita being all crazy/freaking out like Twlight did when she had to teach Starlight about "friendship". To me Celestia was always a bit mysterious. But seeing her act like Twilight or anyone else was just a downer.
3. Making Diamond Tiara "nice" all of a sudden in the blink of an eye. Besides, we never got to see what her "talent" really is. I actually got put off when (I don't remember who) but some pony said "You can make people do stuff for you". I was like... :huh:.
4. The word "Cutiemark" Really? Like...what the-... It's a mark alright, but...what is it supposed to be? Cute? The term makes no sense. Call it talent mark of something. I often feel forced to use it because I think people might not understand what I'm talking about if I don't...
5. Flurry Heart's birth. I hate the fact that in a sequal of almost any animated/fantasy movie there has to be offspring. Why does two people getting together always has to end up in having babies? And...so soon really. It would have been nicer if when FiM ends, you would see Cadence with a big belly or something, and not make such a big fuss about it.
6. And last but not least. STARLIGHT GLIMMER. She is such a Mary-Sue. She makes Twilight feel totally obsolete. She can do everything Twilight does, only better... Why is she even here? it feels like she can do much better but is holding back for Twilight's sake. I dunno...I just don't like her.
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I dunno if the EqG Shorts count but I've noticed that Rainbow Dash is almost always associated with Daring Do, like the writers can't come up with anything else. Can't we have Rainbow Dash NOT obsess about that other pony? We even have an ep with that pairing this week. We get it. She likes Daring Do.
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The word "Mary Sue" should be purged. Or forever applied to Batman :lol:
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Something came to mind watching the leaked episode, letting the show writers name ponies. I can't hear J.K. Yearling and not cringe. Everything has to be a joke with them, a bad joke.
I thought Thorax's name was unique for a character but I'm not sure what I think of the name Pharynx yet. I guess it's a joke but not every character name has to be a pun.
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Less appearances of Rainbowdash as she's getting on know nerves.
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Truthfully, i started watching fim with my younger brother when he was young and he was obsessed. we both had ponies growing up and so it was a nice bonding point for the both of us. i liked watching each of the mane six come into themselves (rarity was a vain diva and my favorite, and i like how she's become much more compassionate, etc) and grow into their roles as the guardians of harmony or w/e, and while i liked that and i liked alicorn twilight, just like everyone else in this thread, i think it came way too soon. like, way way way too soon. as it's also been said in this thread, i think this should have been like, the final plot point or the end game. 'all our adventures and lessons led up to this!' kind of thing.
discord was an interesting villian but now just seems like an abusive jerk who hangs around meek fluttershy and causes her stress, lol. i'm not a fan of discord as a 'redeemed villian' and i truthfully don't have any sympathy for him and think they could have given fluttershy a much better 'companion'. or, better yet, leaving her be and have her come into herself as the ponyville matron of flora and fauna? idk, i don't think discord does anything for fluttershy as a character whatsoever.
however, the thing that perhaps irks me most is the bronies. there's nothing that put a worse taste in my mouth than helping my younger brother google [with safe search on] and print out cute pictures of pinkie pie and rarity, only to find hard-core pornography (of horses???) and have to quickly cover my sibling's eyes. not to mention most of them are horrifically elitist, as if they deserve a nobel prize for watching a children's show made for young girls, and then swiftly taking it away from them. i was furious with hasbro for catering to them, as if they were more important than the young children that the show was intended for, or even relevant at all lol?
i am an adult and of course i love chlidren's things, but watching grown men and women shove aside my younger brother for some pinkie pie merchandise at a con? seriously? get a grip. it's for kids. nobody is upset if you, an adult, enjoy it, but please remember who it's originally for and please remember to treat kids with kindness!
i really love baby flurryheart, and she was the reason i decided to start watching the show again, after passing on a lot of the previous seasons. i think she's adorable and it was an exciting twist to have her with these big wings (it reminds me of dumbo!) and born as an alicorn! i can't wait for them to delve into her storyline some more, but it seems like that's at the bottom of the priority list, what with all of the pointless (?) cutie mark crusaders, discord being an ass to fluttershy and then feeling semi-sorry about it and fluttershy forgiving him despite him having caused her genuine grief, and poorly-written thunderbolts episodes. oh well!
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i hate discord being reformed cause as a good guy hes creepy and hes implied to be celestias age im estimating in human years 40 years old hanging out with the main six that i estimate to be teenagers
theres nothing inherently wrong with that but the problem is is that he breaks so many boundries with them and has very poor social skills he makes them so uncomfreratble
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Truthfully, i started watching fim with my younger brother when he was young and he was obsessed. we both had ponies growing up and so it was a nice bonding point for the both of us. i liked watching each of the mane six come into themselves (rarity was a vain diva and my favorite, and i like how she's become much more compassionate, etc) and grow into their roles as the guardians of harmony or w/e, and while i liked that and i liked alicorn twilight, just like everyone else in this thread, i think it came way too soon. like, way way way too soon. as it's also been said in this thread, i think this should have been like, the final plot point or the end game. 'all our adventures and lessons led up to this!' kind of thing.
discord was an interesting villian but now just seems like an abusive jerk who hangs around meek fluttershy and causes her stress, lol. i'm not a fan of discord as a 'redeemed villian' and i truthfully don't have any sympathy for him and think they could have given fluttershy a much better 'companion'. or, better yet, leaving her be and have her come into herself as the ponyville matron of flora and fauna? idk, i don't think discord does anything for fluttershy as a character whatsoever.
however, the thing that perhaps irks me most is the bronies. there's nothing that put a worse taste in my mouth than helping my younger brother google [with safe search on] and print out cute pictures of pinkie pie and rarity, only to find hard-core pornography (of horses???) and have to quickly cover my sibling's eyes. not to mention most of them are horrifically elitist, as if they deserve a nobel prize for watching a children's show made for young girls, and then swiftly taking it away from them. i was furious with hasbro for catering to them, as if they were more important than the young children that the show was intended for, or even relevant at all lol?
i am an adult and of course i love chlidren's things, but watching grown men and women shove aside my younger brother for some pinkie pie merchandise at a con? seriously? get a grip. it's for kids. nobody is upset if you, an adult, enjoy it, but please remember who it's originally for and please remember to treat kids with kindness!
i really love baby flurryheart, and she was the reason i decided to start watching the show again, after passing on a lot of the previous seasons. i think she's adorable and it was an exciting twist to have her with these big wings (it reminds me of dumbo!) and born as an alicorn! i can't wait for them to delve into her storyline some more, but it seems like that's at the bottom of the priority list, what with all of the pointless (?) cutie mark crusaders, discord being an ass to fluttershy and then feeling semi-sorry about it and fluttershy forgiving him despite him having caused her genuine grief, and poorly-written thunderbolts episodes. oh well!
Somebody shoved your kid brother to get to a toy? Wtf is wrong with them? :mad: Oh I would have had strong, nasty words for that kinda rudeness. There's no excuse for that crap.
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I doubt this show is even for kids anymore. They cater to bronies all the time. And I honestly think the show just keeps running as it is still profitable and the bronies rather not see their favorite show go.
Because nowdays when I watch an episode I usually get bored halfway through. It is not exciting anymore as it used to be. It's like they just try to come up with minor issues every episode to milk out the show.
And my goodness...Rainbow Dash is sooooo annoying. Same goes for Pinky Pie as I feel she doesn't really serve a purpose (never really had).
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FiM is also the only thing justifying Hasbro continued (even if no longer controlling) interest in Discovery Family.
I don't like Rainbow Dash's involvement because her presence forces the writing to be dumbed down. Things are more blunt and black and white than episodes where she has little or no contribution to the plot. You can even tell there is a more clever and nuanced story here, but it had to be boiled down to its most basic parts to suit Rainbow Dash.
Something I've noticed is episodes that seemed to have been developed backwards. There is an idea for the climax, and then the episode is written around it, and it mus lead o the climax even if the developing the story would have been better without it. Take "28 Pranks Later" where Rainbow Dash spiking the Filly Scout cookies would have led to be a better lesson about having empathy (something Rainbow Dash desperately needs to learn) if the CMC were the ones who got in trouble and Rainbow Dash would have to fess up when she realized her behavior was hurting others. However, this started with zombie ponies, and they were going to have their zombie ponies come hell or high water.
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That would have been a much better way of doing "28 Pranks Later", Al. It would have been a great moral, and fits in with the show more.
It wouldn't surprise me if at least that episode was built around the climax, the way it was all structured, and I didn't think much to the build up either. One of my complaints towards the later seasons is that the morals, at the end of the day, are good, but the journey towards reaching them are too extreme and all over the place, it's sometimes hard to even see what the moral is.
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I think it's because only Faust and McCracken can do Faust and McCracken. Many have tried to imitate their style, but they all come off as obnoxious as they just don't have the ability to execute their particular brand of humor. Then add a vocal fanbase who seem to love the most obnoxious aspects of this show (the disgusting facial expressions, over the top conflicts over minor things, the fact the idiot ball is the planet they're standing on, etc.) and these writers just keep doing it. FiM has become a caricature of itself.
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I doubt this show is even for kids anymore. They cater to bronies all the time.
It is definitely for kids. But I never liked the Brony catering. There is no other kids cartoon that felt the need to work in so much fanon and shout-outs to adult fans.
The moment they couldn't decide on an official name for a silly cartoon horse without fearing it would turn off half of the adult fanbase, I jnew they had jumped the shark and it only got more intense from then onward.
It's as if Rescue Bots got changed to cater to the adult female fanbase, which I know exists.
I gave up on FiM for almost three seasons because I didn't get the in-jokes and was tired of the fights that resulted from that.
I guess I have to give credit to Hasbro for not giving in to the calls of killing off any new character the adults don't like (winged Twilight, Sunset Shimmer, Cadence, Starlight, Baby Flurry, the list goes on).
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I doubt this show is even for kids anymore. They cater to bronies all the time.
It is definitely for kids. But I never liked the Brony catering. There is no other kids cartoon that felt the need to work in so much fanon and shout-outs to adult fans.
The moment they couldn't decide on an official name for a silly cartoon horse without fearing it would turn off half of the adult fanbase, I jnew they had jumped the shark and it only got more intense from then onward.
It's as if Rescue Bots got changed to cater to the adult female fanbase, which I know exists.
I gave up on FiM for almost three seasons because I didn't get the in-jokes and was tired of the fights that resulted from that.
I guess I have to give credit to Hasbro for not giving in to the calls of killing off any new character the adults don't like (winged Twilight, Sunset Shimmer, Cadence, Starlight, Baby Flurry, the list goes on).
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I think the Rescue Bots are just adorable! I've got a few myself.Still need Salvage and Brushfire.
To be honest Al, a lot of American cartoons have been following idiotic, low brow humor since Cartoon Network made it all the rage and even before then with Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life on Nick. Even Disney has sullied its quality with CN style crap like Gravity Falls.
It only makes sense for Hasbro to follow suit I guess. I wish they'd stop with the brony catering.
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2. Seeing Princess Celestia's weak side. I hated the episode where you saw Celesita being all crazy/freaking out like Twlight did when she had to teach Starlight about "friendship". To me Celestia was always a bit mysterious. But seeing her act like Twilight or anyone else was just a downer.
This! It's always disappointing when mystique is stripped away from a character like that :( There's such a fine line between humanising and rendering mere mortal
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Truthfully, i started watching fim with my younger brother when he was young and he was obsessed. we both had ponies growing up and so it was a nice bonding point for the both of us. i liked watching each of the mane six come into themselves (rarity was a vain diva and my favorite, and i like how she's become much more compassionate, etc) and grow into their roles as the guardians of harmony or w/e, and while i liked that and i liked alicorn twilight, just like everyone else in this thread, i think it came way too soon. like, way way way too soon. as it's also been said in this thread, i think this should have been like, the final plot point or the end game. 'all our adventures and lessons led up to this!' kind of thing.
discord was an interesting villian but now just seems like an abusive jerk who hangs around meek fluttershy and causes her stress, lol. i'm not a fan of discord as a 'redeemed villian' and i truthfully don't have any sympathy for him and think they could have given fluttershy a much better 'companion'. or, better yet, leaving her be and have her come into herself as the ponyville matron of flora and fauna? idk, i don't think discord does anything for fluttershy as a character whatsoever.
however, the thing that perhaps irks me most is the bronies. there's nothing that put a worse taste in my mouth than helping my younger brother google [with safe search on] and print out cute pictures of pinkie pie and rarity, only to find hard-core pornography (of horses???) and have to quickly cover my sibling's eyes. not to mention most of them are horrifically elitist, as if they deserve a nobel prize for watching a children's show made for young girls, and then swiftly taking it away from them. i was furious with hasbro for catering to them, as if they were more important than the young children that the show was intended for, or even relevant at all lol?
i am an adult and of course i love chlidren's things, but watching grown men and women shove aside my younger brother for some pinkie pie merchandise at a con? seriously? get a grip. it's for kids. nobody is upset if you, an adult, enjoy it, but please remember who it's originally for and please remember to treat kids with kindness!
i really love baby flurryheart, and she was the reason i decided to start watching the show again, after passing on a lot of the previous seasons. i think she's adorable and it was an exciting twist to have her with these big wings (it reminds me of dumbo!) and born as an alicorn! i can't wait for them to delve into her storyline some more, but it seems like that's at the bottom of the priority list, what with all of the pointless (?) cutie mark crusaders, discord being an ass to fluttershy and then feeling semi-sorry about it and fluttershy forgiving him despite him having caused her genuine grief, and poorly-written thunderbolts episodes. oh well!
Somebody shoved your kid brother to get to a toy? Wtf is wrong with them? :mad: Oh I would have had strong, nasty words for that kinda rudeness. There's no excuse for that crap.
right?? my dad and i had very.... strong words. it's really too bad; i'm obviously fine with adult collectors (what with being one and having met plenty of pleasant ones), but it is a show for kids... so like back off and let kids enjoy it in peace! apparently that's too tall of an order to fill for some collectors! :shrug:
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To be honest Al, a lot of American cartoons have been following idiotic, low brow humor since Cartoon Network made it all the rage and even before then with Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life on Nick. Even Disney has sullied its quality with CN style crap like Gravity Falls.
Hey. Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, and Phineas & Pherb were great cartoons. Far better than the tween sitcoms polluting Disney Channel proper.
And it's not even the humor, it's the storytelling. Meghan McCarthy has this really bad habit of marrying herself to this one idea and will execute that idea even to the detriment of the story. She wanted the first Equestria Girls movie to be like the Wizard of Oz where Twilight met alternate versions of her friends even if that meant the movie would be an unbearable slog from when Twilight went through until she met Rarity. She wanted Flutterbat, so they essentially ripped off Wallace and Grommet to it. She wanted zombie ponies, and she would have her zombie ponies even if that meant Rainbow's lesson would come off as more selfish. She's a brilliant writer, but this one flaw has deep sixed too many of her scripts and scripts of others during her time as story editor.
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I only watched the first half of season one of FIM and a few odd eps since like the original story with Discord. I didn't get into it so I won't comment positively or negatively on the show, I am not in a position to and it's just not to my taste. I do like the EQG in spite of the fact the overall plot of every movie is the same thing with the same climax, largely because I like Sunset Shimmer and how she's developed, and she's probably the only thing tying me to any G4 animation.
I don't have a problem with G4 existing and I love seeing kids wearing G4 shirts or carrying around G4 toys or crowding around them in stores or at toy fairs. It makes me happy that kids now can share MLP.
It's stories like the one centaurette shared that basically epitomises what I dislike about G4. It has nothing at all to do with the show, which lots of people love even if I don't. It has nothing to do with the toys although repetitive mane 6 doesn't really do much for me and I am not a fan of the newest style of release. It has everything to do with the small but vocal group of idiots who make online stuff about G4 ugly. I have been a mod on a site where someone spammed it all over with explicit G4 pony images and I had to witness that because I had to remove them. It wasn't something you can unsee, and I really got angry that anyone could do that, as we had underage members on the site and they are basically just out there on the web in general.
I don't hate bronies, I hate what I call the psycho bronies who act in the obnoxious, entitled way. But I also know that isn't all G4 fans. It's the ones that throw their weight around, act like they are the only pony fans that matter, more than the kids, more than fans of other generations, more than fans of G4 who disagree with them. The ones who whine and complain they're being picked on or ostracised if they're not allowed to act like morons and the ones who send death threats to members who don't agree with them or write mindless abuse on people's yt videos or threads because they think it's funny. MLP has been permanently tarnished in the world's eye by those kinds of people, and I heartily wish that they had never decided to make MLP their latest 'fad'. Without those people, I think G4 and FIM would be a lot more awesome and much much much better integrated into the fandom as a whole. I think so many divisions have been created because of those people - and it has affected all of us in one way or another, whether we are FIM fans or not.
The other main thing I don't like about G4 is the terminology. Cutie mark. Brony. Pegasister. Everypony. All of those. I am actively offended by the use of any of those in regards to pre-G4 collecting or fandom (or in the case of cutie mark, pre-G3). And I especially hate hindight judgment of MLP - ie people looking back at G1, 2 3 as proto G4 instead of seeing them in their proper order - G1 came first and set the benchmark, G2 developed into a different direction, so did G3 and so now has G4. They are not all building blocks towards the "perfect" G4 generation. Firefly is not a proto-Dash, etc. Firefly and Dash are actually not that similar and I don't think any of the mane 6 are really like the G1 ponies they are linked with, but they are all themselves as ponies.
(Also G3 Rainbow Dash is totally different from G4 Rainbow Dash in personality, so not even sharing a name or colour scheme makes two ponies connected for me).
So yeah. I don't hate G4, I have no problems with the existence of the show or its huge following, but I basically don't like the entitled whiny psycho brony behaviour. And I also don't like people taking it as the perfect evolution of all previous generations. Especially when so many ideas in FIM are nods to older generations and ideas. I think that it's fine to like G4 better than the other generations,but not fine to assume all the older gen stuff is just preparation for G4 or to comment on older generations without properly getting to know about them first. Educated dislike is fine, ignorant hatred not so much. All generations are equal to one another, they all have their good and their bad things, and everyone is free to like what they want about each one. But the lack of respect that it sometimes involves bothers me. And I wish that people didn't look at MLP now as G4-going back rather than the generations in their proper sequence.
Unfortunately most of that is not Hasbro but fandom-based. :/ So there's not a lot of hope to see it change.
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Damn Taffeta, you pretty much just summed up all the big problems I have with G4.
(Especially the "proto-G4" thing/shoehorning G4 in everywhere >_< That just drives me crazy. Not everything has to be about FiM, y'know?)
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Truthfully, i started watching fim with my younger brother when he was young and he was obsessed. we both had ponies growing up and so it was a nice bonding point for the both of us. i liked watching each of the mane six come into themselves (rarity was a vain diva and my favorite, and i like how she's become much more compassionate, etc) and grow into their roles as the guardians of harmony or w/e, and while i liked that and i liked alicorn twilight, just like everyone else in this thread, i think it came way too soon. like, way way way too soon. as it's also been said in this thread, i think this should have been like, the final plot point or the end game. 'all our adventures and lessons led up to this!' kind of thing.
discord was an interesting villian but now just seems like an abusive jerk who hangs around meek fluttershy and causes her stress, lol. i'm not a fan of discord as a 'redeemed villian' and i truthfully don't have any sympathy for him and think they could have given fluttershy a much better 'companion'. or, better yet, leaving her be and have her come into herself as the ponyville matron of flora and fauna? idk, i don't think discord does anything for fluttershy as a character whatsoever.
however, the thing that perhaps irks me most is the bronies. there's nothing that put a worse taste in my mouth than helping my younger brother google [with safe search on] and print out cute pictures of pinkie pie and rarity, only to find hard-core pornography (of horses???) and have to quickly cover my sibling's eyes. not to mention most of them are horrifically elitist, as if they deserve a nobel prize for watching a children's show made for young girls, and then swiftly taking it away from them. i was furious with hasbro for catering to them, as if they were more important than the young children that the show was intended for, or even relevant at all lol?
i am an adult and of course i love chlidren's things, but watching grown men and women shove aside my younger brother for some pinkie pie merchandise at a con? seriously? get a grip. it's for kids. nobody is upset if you, an adult, enjoy it, but please remember who it's originally for and please remember to treat kids with kindness!
i really love baby flurryheart, and she was the reason i decided to start watching the show again, after passing on a lot of the previous seasons. i think she's adorable and it was an exciting twist to have her with these big wings (it reminds me of dumbo!) and born as an alicorn! i can't wait for them to delve into her storyline some more, but it seems like that's at the bottom of the priority list, what with all of the pointless (?) cutie mark crusaders, discord being an ass to fluttershy and then feeling semi-sorry about it and fluttershy forgiving him despite him having caused her genuine grief, and poorly-written thunderbolts episodes. oh well!
Somebody shoved your kid brother to get to a toy? Wtf is wrong with them? :mad: Oh I would have had strong, nasty words for that kinda rudeness. There's no excuse for that crap.
right?? my dad and i had very.... strong words. it's really too bad; i'm obviously fine with adult collectors (what with being one and having met plenty of pleasant ones), but it is a show for kids... so like back off and let kids enjoy it in peace! apparently that's too tall of an order to fill for some collectors! :shrug:
Apparently manners and being conscientious of others is too tall an orde for some people. :sneaky:
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I doubt this show is even for kids anymore. They cater to bronies all the time. And I honestly think the show just keeps running as it is still profitable and the bronies rather not see their favorite show go.
Because nowdays when I watch an episode I usually get bored halfway through. It is not exciting anymore as it used to be. It's like they just try to come up with minor issues every episode to milk out the show.
And my goodness...Rainbow Dash is sooooo annoying. Same goes for Pinky Pie as I feel she doesn't really serve a purpose (never really had).
like alot of characters are getting annoying
Post Merge: September 08, 2017, 10:25:45 AM
FiM is also the only thing justifying Hasbro continued (even if no longer controlling) interest in Discovery Family.
I don't like Rainbow Dash's involvement because her presence forces the writing to be dumbed down. Things are more blunt and black and white than episodes where she has little or no contribution to the plot. You can even tell there is a more clever and nuanced story here, but it had to be boiled down to its most basic parts to suit Rainbow Dash.
Something I've noticed is episodes that seemed to have been developed backwards. There is an idea for the climax, and then the episode is written around it, and it mus lead o the climax even if the developing the story would have been better without it. Take "28 Pranks Later" where Rainbow Dash spiking the Filly Scout cookies would have led to be a better lesson about having empathy (something Rainbow Dash desperately needs to learn) if the CMC were the ones who got in trouble and Rainbow Dash would have to fess up when she realized her behavior was hurting others. However, this started with zombie ponies, and they were going to have their zombie ponies come hell or high water.
cuz the zombie ponies were so pointless honestly
Post Merge: September 08, 2017, 10:29:15 AM
I can't remember if I've already posted in this thread or not, so please forgive me if I repeat myself.
1. The buffalo episode was sooo terrible, hooboy.
Like, imagine an episode with this set up: a bunch of creatures stay in Fluttershy's house, even though she doesn't want them there. She tries to get them to leave, but they won't . . . Oh wait, we don't have to imagine this episode because it happened, it was "It Ain't Easy Being Breezie." And the moral wasn't "And then Fluttershy realized she was being SELFISH by not accepting permanent squatters, and that she just needed to SHARE more."
*whispers* Because that moral is dumb.
Then you consider the historical context and it gets worse. Because none of the American Indians' problems--like, you know, having the actual buffalo herds they depended on slaughtered en masse by the US Army--stemmed from 'not sharing enough.'
2. The existence of more than two alicorns. I never liked the idea of alicorns to begin with, I thought it was an over-the-top, Mary-Sue-ish idea. But FIM sold me on Celestia and Luna. It was okay that they were over-the-top because they were supposed to be. But then we get the alicorn of . . . Love. And the alicorn of . . . Friendship. For having, um, pretty average and unremarkable friendship skills, really. :/ And then the alicorn of . . . Being Born An Alicorn.
Yeeeeah, sorry, I'm back to thinking alicorns are dumb and Mary-Sue-ish. (I get it, The Toys Sell. But I don't have to like them.)
3. The yaks. Wow, who is greenlighting these terrible episodes?
4. Fluttershy's brother hitting on Rainbow Dash and her just silently enduring it instead of telling him that she is not interested. Very out of character, and not funny to play it up as humorous on a show aimed at little girls.
I really feel like they included it because they were afraid of Fluttershy's brother being perceived as gay, which makes it even more annoying. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but there is something wrong with being a creep.
like the buffilo episode should have just been about aj dealing with another company like a pear buissness and then learning that people like apples and pears and then they become friends
Post Merge: September 08, 2017, 10:31:03 AM
Didn't Discord almost send Tree Hugger in to oblivion after he reformed because Fluttershy invited her to the Gala and not him? , if Discord was fully reformed I don't think he'd do that to an innocent pony so easily.
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Post Merge: September 08, 2017, 10:35:56 AM
I think G1 started doing it with MLP Tales. But everyone was just a pony. I remember an episode with the Family ponies that took place in what was obviously meant to be Hawaii and they were represented as natives.
But they weren't another species, they weren't "primitive" and the message was about overcoming prejudice.
Something the first season of FiM did with all the ponies judging Zecora's appearance and customs and spreading rumors about her just because she was a zebra... then in the same season ponies take away land from other species. The pony race in G4 is kind of terrible and that's why they need a Princess of Friendship and a Princess of Love :lol:
like i hate how they make racily coded characters look primitive its like they try to make them look bad and in the mlp app they even messed up zecoras racial coding dream catchers are american not african
But seriously, that's what I would change about the show. That all people are just ponies and not other species. Or at least horse-like like the Saddle Arabians who are just Arabian horses and not camels with turbans or something dumb like that.
Post Merge: September 08, 2017, 10:38:08 AM
Then again, I actually met some people who actually believed horses had humanoid mammary glands instead of teats like other four legged mammals. :pout:
I wouldn't be all surprised if it wasn't because of a certain brony fan character with such anatomy.
yeah like there wayy different then human mamery glands
Post Merge: September 08, 2017, 10:39:20 AM
The Brony callouts and references are skin-crawling for me, especially with backgrounders or memes appearing as jokes. Who thought Big Lebowski was a good reference to include?!
To be fair, I don't think that was a brony reference - I think that it was more likely included by someone who was a fan of the movie.
No no, I meant as a general reference rather than a Brony specific one for something like Big Lebowski (poor grammer on my part!)
To be fair, tons of cartoons constantly reference popular movies. The Godfather, The Matrix, Jurassic Park, JAWS, Star Wars.
FiM isn't the first or last to do so.
Looney Tunes, Zootopia, Animaniacs, SpongeBob, Mega Man, Gumball have just to name a few.
i wouldnt mind them if they stayed in the background and not referenced characters that were preditors
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I agree, the Changelings becoming colorful bugdeer really felt like the weakest writing of that season. Chrys had to be written like that so them turning on her would be more plausible and it was silly even for a show in which friendship cures everything.
Splitting them into two different hives sounds like a good idea that would have worked perfectly well.
I guess it didn't sit well with some viewers that a species was created that HAD to use others to eat. The ponies are vegetarians and I think so is Spike? Even though he really should cook Angel Bunny, but I digress.
The Changelings have technically been on a quest for survival and Chrys was acting like a good ruler, finding a perfect food source for them in the adored royals and their people. So in order to actually make her evil they had to give Changelings more options to feed and then have Chrysalis be a butt about it and not wanting to go the peaceful path because... this is FiM and we need to have an antagonist left for the next two-parter.
So now I just hope they will give her a few loyal subjects so she can stay the Alien Queen pony instead of Thorax's eventual bugdeer wife >_<
Spike eats grass fine but seems to prefer gemstones. Off the top of my head I don't think he eats any meat and seems to be fine on a vegetarian diet, but then again, he might be eating something else when we're not looking. Fluttershy has been shown feeding animals appropriate foods (fish, worms) at times, gems are possibly his 'best' food.
It's almost like the screams vs. laughter from Monsters Inc.; there's no real reason not to use the better food source, apart from being a butt/not willing to change/some unknown reason we're not allowed to know. I honestly was waiting for Chrysalis to explain why she goes with one source over another; she seems like the kind of Queen that would go with the highest output for her trouble. If she simply didn't know this is part of their lifecycle ... Fear? Actually, it would be neat if the metamorphosis happens but suddenly their life is shortened or something. I know in the comics she is depicted as an abusive leader most of the time, which again I wasn't a fan of. I like the idea of a rular doing all they can to help their subjects ... and is still 'wrong' and 'evil' because of the way they do it or simply how that takes its toll on anyone who isn't her subject.
I don't know, I don't understand why they just have to keep 'removing' threats. Nothing is allowed to be a recurring danger; not a monster, not a villain, not even a place like Everfree. A villain who can shapeshift, steals your love, has a very large loyal army, and is doing so for a very good reason from her perspective? Perfect recurring danger fodder! If they had to do the metamorphosis thing, split the hive between those that simply can't feed traditionally (maybe bad at shapeshifting or something), and Chrysalis has to accept she can't help all of her people. She doesn't seem like the kind to tolerate frustration, that would be a neat idea. She wouldn't be HAPPY, but she'd accept that sometimes even her best efforts fail. The 'changed' Changlings might have to suffer not living in their hive with Chrysalis anymore, but at least they have each other, and some pony friends. Nothing would say they HAVE to rat out Chrysalis to the ponys when she gets up to something, nor that Chrysalis would have to talk to them about food (i.e. talking to you would tip you off, I'm not going to do that). I didn't like the fact she didn't see through her own Changling's disguises ... I'd make sure that, as Queen, no Changling could disguise themselves from her and no Changling would ever lose track of their Queen, even when perfectly disguised.
MLP n Friends didn't have recurring threats either. Aside from the witches and they never showed up after End of Flutter Valley. So its not a new thing.
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-I wish Hasbro made My Little Ponies a little bigger. I thought the size of G3 ponies was the smallest that would still look good and be fun to play with. G4 ponies are too small.
-I wish those mini-figures weren't a thing. Well, I guess I should specify the blind bags. We get so many new blind bag character, which leads me to my next wish...
-I wish we had new brushable characters. And, more importantly, brushable that don't come in $60 sets. I just want a nice, single Pepperdance. Is that so much to ask?
-Show-wise, I wish there weren't so many "natural-colored" male ponies. I've counted at least 3 brown ones. Why don't the boy ponies get the colorful coats and names like the girls? I'm itching for a stallion with G1 Barnacle's colors...
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I would love to have ideas like gen one did, glow in the dark ponies? Bring them on I would love that, flocked ones, I miss it, mail orders I would love to have that as well.
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-I wish Hasbro made My Little Ponies a little bigger. I thought the size of G3 ponies was the smallest that would still look good and be fun to play with. G4 ponies are too small.
-I wish those mini-figures weren't a thing. Well, I guess I should specify the blind bags. We get so many new blind bag character, which leads me to my next wish...
-I wish we had new brushable characters. And, more importantly, brushable that don't come in $60 sets. I just want a nice, single Pepperdance. Is that so much to ask?
-Show-wise, I wish there weren't so many "natural-colored" male ponies. I've counted at least 3 brown ones. Why don't the boy ponies get the colorful coats and names like the girls? I'm itching for a stallion with G1 Barnacle's colors...
Yes!
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I would love to have ideas like gen one did, glow in the dark ponies? Bring them on I would love that, flocked ones, I miss it, mail orders I would love to have that as well.
Double yes!
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I want more brushables! Give me all the brushables, Hasbro! Take a bunch of blindbag ponies and make them brushables!
I would love to have ideas like gen one did, glow in the dark ponies? Bring them on I would love that, flocked ones, I miss it, mail orders I would love to have that as well.
Yes! More exciting gimmicks would be wonderful!
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Yes the boring stallions are a problem for me.
I'm not one to scream for male pony brushables because they don't even give them a soft mane. They are stuck with a punk look or troll hair so you can't even style them. It's like they are trying to make them unattractive to kids.
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Oh god, the boy ponies' hair. :( I got Big McIntosh today and I mean.. I'm glad he doesn't have troll hair like Shining Armour did, but I'm not sure that it's really much of an upgrade, he still has a mohawk..
I don't get why they won't just give them proper hair! No one had a problem with it when they gave the Big Brothers/Mountain Boys proper long, brushable hair in the 80s, what's Hasbro's hang-up with it now? :/
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I wish the male ponies could be more vibrant in coloration too. G1 had colorful male ponies (especially the Mountain Boys). Why can't G4?
Something show related is the Crystal Empire. How can you make a long lost civilization so boring? The crystal pony design is cool (I especially love fan art of the G1 Twinkle Eyes as crystal ponies). However, it has failed to make a good impression. It's citizens are somehow dumber than the general population of Equestria. The episodes based in it as some of the most banal of the series. The culture is scant.
Really, I think the show should stay away from lore period. As the mane episode shows, no foresight goes into this show. The rules are whatever the episode needs, so them explaining it comes off as stupid as you know they'll contradict it as soon as they feel like it.
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The boy hair is horrible! :(
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To be honest Al, a lot of American cartoons have been following idiotic, low brow humor since Cartoon Network made it all the rage and even before then with Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life on Nick. Even Disney has sullied its quality with CN style crap like Gravity Falls.
Hey. Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, and Phineas & Pherb were great cartoons. Far better than the tween sitcoms polluting Disney Channel proper.
I agree, I love all those shows. :)
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I've only actually seen it once (mostly because I didn't like the G4 Breezie design), but wasn't the moral of that episode that Fluttershy needed to be "cruel to be kind", in other words, she had to tell them to leave so that they could go back home? I must be really remembering wrong if it wasn't.
Also... I actually love the Disney Channel sitcoms, just saying.
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Not sure if this is the right place to post this but someone mentioned Chrysalis not being able to see through Thorax's disguise when he came back to the hive to rescue the princesses, Spike and the Mane 6. I think Chrysalis had spies reporting to her on Thorax. She knew he'd left the hive and came back and she saw that he was pretending to be Starlight. She called him Thorax and had him stuck in the green goo before she ever found Starlight behind her throne.
Ponyfan
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I wish Hasbro didn't make the main toy line this boring. I mean only two poses?! How different G1 and G3 were! So many colors, so many poses, so many gimmicks! The new poses are better, but the design is bad. Cute but bad. They can't stand on their own, some ponies look bald, the hair is terrible quality.
I also wish they didn't make ponies with glitter on the outside. I absolutely love glitter, but this just ruins it.
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I wish Hasbro didn't make the main toy line this boring. I mean only two poses?! How different G1 and G3 were! So many colors, so many poses, so many gimmicks! The new poses are better, but the design is bad. Cute but bad. They can't stand on their own, some ponies look bald, the hair is terrible quality.
I also wish they didn't make ponies with glitter on the outside. I absolutely love glitter, but this just ruins it.
Unfortunately, G3 didn't keep the variety throughout its run. The Core 7 is pretty much exactly what Hasbro is doing now. Same poses same ponies but different accessories.
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Yeah, StarSwirl05, I know and this is quite sad too :/
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Yeah, StarSwirl05, I know and this is quite sad too :/
You'd think they'd learn their lesson given G3 ended after that but guess not.