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Title: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Beth3346 on September 27, 2018, 05:49:37 AM
Hi All,

So after a loooong hiatus I finally have a new MLP collector site live.  Its not quite ready for sign ups yet but feel free to take a look here https://mylittleponycollection.com/ (https://mylittleponycollection.com/) Its still a work in progress so there may be some broken pages :blush:

My real question is would you use this site to track your collection and want list.
I'm planning to add functionality to allow you to add ponies to your collection ("Herd"), create a Wishlist, and "favorite" ponies. Is this something that you would use? Are there other features that you would like to see?
I'm just looking for general constructive feedback.  Any constructive comments you have are helpful.  This would be a resource for fellow Arena members and any other mlp collectors.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 27, 2018, 06:13:35 AM
Oh, interesting!  So it kind of has a database aspect?  It looks awesome!
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: emily_katie on September 27, 2018, 06:17:19 AM
Sounds like a great idea!
I find one of the most fun parts of collecting is the cataloguing, I have been looking for a site like this for a while. I always forget what ponies I am after too (theres that darn many) so a wanted feature would be awesome too! I don't know how possible it would be but maybe if you had a pony on a wish list, lets say Baby fifi for example a notification could be sent to you if someone was selling that pony? You could make a for sale list or something then the two people would negotiate the sale between themselves?  :lovey:
EDIT: forgot too add, the little stats about the most popular etc are cool :D
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on September 27, 2018, 06:24:07 AM
Absolutely! I love checklists and ways to keep track of my collection.
The site isn't loading for me right now but I'll check it out when I'm off campus wifi.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: StrawberrySundance on September 27, 2018, 06:47:58 AM
It sounds like a great idea! I need to start keeping track of my ponies and create a wish list! I'd definitely use it! :biggrin:
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 27, 2018, 06:55:39 AM
Sounds great!
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on September 27, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
That would be awesome, I'd definitely use it!
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Faeriefalls on September 27, 2018, 07:21:36 AM
I would 100% use this! I would love a way to also then upload and categorise custom made ponies too.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on September 27, 2018, 09:02:39 AM
Got the site to load!
Would you be able to add ponies to multiple groups? Of course, if you do or not depends on if you want your site to be an ID of some sorts. Like, Peachy isn't generally included with the CP ponies, but if someone is new to collecting and looks for her under that group, they might be confused. Other than that, I like how clean the site looks! Do you plan to add accessories, as well?
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: mlp4me on September 27, 2018, 09:17:18 AM
I'd love to use it to have a visual wishlist. I see some of my pictures on there, yay!
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Sweet Daes on September 27, 2018, 12:18:29 PM
I'd be totally into shifting my use of a database to track accessories more than ponies. I <3 <3 <3 MLPMerch with <3 <3 <3 and whipped cream on top as being the "now and up-and-coming" and current checklist because they feature the most recent generation to the line, so that is a niche well filled in my life. A checklist of "vintage accessories" to complete sets, tho....

If you do accessories I'd be game  :D
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on September 27, 2018, 01:20:10 PM
I think a checklist is a great idea. It's something that a lot of people would get really good use out of, especially the ability to use to track collections.

I have only looked at the G1 section, because it's the only section I know enough about to comment! LOL :) f I have one constructive suggestion, it's geographical.

It would be helpful to to move away from the binary sense that ponies are US or European. That disincludes a lot of collectors and makes it confusing for many more, because of how ponies were actually sold. It is a big job to figure out where each pony was actually sold, so it would probably be less work to just take away the regional aspect.

Also Europe isn't a country. That kind of made me uncomfortable ;)

One other suggestion, purely cosmetic - is there a way to make either a search system viable or a way to get more easily between sets?
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: cookifaa on September 27, 2018, 01:58:51 PM
This sounds amazing! I've been looking for somewhere i can keep track of my hoard for ages! (I do have a notebook, but I loose it that often I like to think that it has legs.)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 27, 2018, 02:45:48 PM
I feel like geography is an important aspect and should be kept.  My suggestion would be to break it down by country, i.e. if a pony was sold in the US, Canada, Australia, and Germany, all those countries are listed.  However, since that could ended up quite cluttered, I would also suggest hiding it under something akin to the "spoiler" tag used on the Arena.

Like:

Country:
Spoiler
United States, France, Italy

As far as knowing which ponies were sold where, start with the info we know and then add other information as it becomes available.  Like we know the 2nd set of So Soft ponies were sold in the US and Canada (afaik), so start by listing those two countries and then if we later find out for sure they were sold in Italy, add Italy at that point.

Maybe do a "country info" update on a monthly or even quarterly basis, because otherwise it might be quite the PITA, ha ha.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 27, 2018, 04:33:42 PM
I think a checklist is a great idea. It's something that a lot of people would get really good use out of, especially the ability to use to track collections.

I have only looked at the G1 section, because it's the only section I know enough about to comment! LOL :) f I have one constructive suggestion, it's geographical.

It would be helpful to to move away from the binary sense that ponies are US or European. That disincludes a lot of collectors and makes it confusing for many more, because of how ponies were actually sold. It is a big job to figure out where each pony was actually sold, so it would probably be less work to just take away the regional aspect.

Also Europe isn't a country. That kind of made me uncomfortable ;)

One other suggestion, purely cosmetic - is there a way to make either a search system viable or a way to get more easily between sets?

Silly Taf. Everyone knows Europe is a city. I mean I'm sure we all paid attention in geometry class.

:silly:
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on September 27, 2018, 05:14:18 PM
Yes!  We can always use another MLP collectors' site!  :D
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on September 27, 2018, 05:52:14 PM
Thank you for all of the feedback. :) And thank you to everyone who contributed photos for my old site  :lovey:

I do plan to add a lot more features including accessory tracking and more search and filtering features.

As for the countries I agree that listing ponies as belonging to a single country doesn't really work.  Especially with the European ponies.  I like the idea of associating ponies with multiple countries.  Maybe "sold in" or "region"?

I also eventually plan on allowing site members to make updates to the information on the site.  I'm not sure if it will be open to all site members or if I'll create editor roles.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on September 27, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
I would not.

I don't care to have anyone else in the world to know what I've got, and I know all my ponies by heart.  I'd also be wary of committing a significant chunk of time to an online database that has no guarantee of existing in 1, 5, or 10 years, nor now extensively it'd be updated or how accurate.  Crowd-sourced editing is nice in theory, but the MLP collector community doesn't seem very active in that role thus far.

That said, I do wish you well on your journey, maybe you'll beat the odds!
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: CinnamonOnions on September 28, 2018, 04:20:46 AM
I love love LOVE every aspect of this!!! I definetly will sign up when you get this project more finished!
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on September 28, 2018, 05:59:34 AM
I would not.

I don't care to have anyone else in the world to know what I've got, and I know all my ponies by heart.  I'd also be wary of committing a significant chunk of time to an online database that has no guarantee of existing in 1, 5, or 10 years, nor now extensively it'd be updated or how accurate.  Crowd-sourced editing is nice in theory, but the MLP collector community doesn't seem very active in that role thus far.

That said, I do wish you well on your journey, maybe you'll beat the odds!

Thanks I appreciate the feedback. :)  I will have a feature that allows members to make their collections and wishlists private.  Also collections and wishlists will not be visible to anyone who is not a member.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: mlp4me on September 28, 2018, 09:21:38 AM
As for the countries I agree that listing ponies as belonging to a single country doesn't really work.  Especially with the European ponies.  I like the idea of associating ponies with multiple countries.  Maybe "sold in" or "region"?

I like the words exclusive, selective / limited release area(s)... We can't make everyone happy, but we can try, right?
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: chateaushelton on September 28, 2018, 02:04:33 PM
I wasn't able to get on and see anything more than the home page - but YES! I would definitely use this  :)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on September 29, 2018, 02:43:49 AM
I think a checklist is a great idea. It's something that a lot of people would get really good use out of, especially the ability to use to track collections.

I have only looked at the G1 section, because it's the only section I know enough about to comment! LOL :) f I have one constructive suggestion, it's geographical.

It would be helpful to to move away from the binary sense that ponies are US or European. That disincludes a lot of collectors and makes it confusing for many more, because of how ponies were actually sold. It is a big job to figure out where each pony was actually sold, so it would probably be less work to just take away the regional aspect.

Also Europe isn't a country. That kind of made me uncomfortable ;)

One other suggestion, purely cosmetic - is there a way to make either a search system viable or a way to get more easily between sets?

Silly Taf. Everyone knows Europe is a city. I mean I'm sure we all paid attention in geometry class.

:silly:
*throws fakies*

The reason I suggested removing geography is because it's a huge amount of work to do properly and we're still only at the brink of really understanding how distribution happened in different parts of Europe. So it's invariably going to either take the OP forever to get every single pony right, or it's going to leave gaps or inaccuracies.

Besides, I would like to think we should have moved beyond classifying ponies by imaginary geographical binaries. We all know by now that different countries had different releases from one another and some of those intersected. But for a collecting purpose, the more important factor is identifying and adding to the list what pony you have. You probably know where it came from because of where you bought it from, so geography becomes a bit redundant.

And I admit, I want to try and gradually remove emphasis on the dependence on the DV US system of classification, because it leaves so many gaps and problems for classifying ponies all over the rest of the world (whose releases are way more complex than the simple US release). It would genuinely be better to omit all geography than to try and catalogue ponies in the US timeline because so many places have release timelines that have no relationship to the US one. The Wiki has this problem and it's hard to resolve because of how the Wiki has set up. It just makes sense to avoid the problem at the start.

For the record, I welcome as many pony collecting or information sites out there as people are willing to make, because it helps with cross-referencing information. I just wish that more websites would move away from the US timeline year system because it is so problematic for non US collectors to manage or ID their collection when half the ponies they grew up with are in a completely separate section of the site from the other ponies they bought in the same year. You have to know your pony is international to know to look it up in an international section, but how are you going to do that if you don't know who your pony is?

For example, if you grew up in the UK with both Cherries Jubilee and Snowflake and you have the backcards for both from the same set, if you were to go looking them up on most ID sites, what you'd find would be that Cherries Jubilee would appear under year 3 as a "US" pony, whereas Snowflake is somewhere completely different as an 'International' pony. (And if your CJ was from that set, she wouldn't look like the year 3 one anyway.)

The other problem is that there's a tendency to tie years to the release of the US version of a pony. For example, Shady and Buttons etc from the movie star set get tied into 1985 because that's when the SS set came out - but they're from 1987.

I suggest rather than geography, you focus on actual release years in a more general way and include all ponies from each region in that year, and then maybe do as others suggest and include a rough list of countries or regions. I am tending to go with "Some European countries" and "North America" rather a lot as general terms in my page edits at the moment.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 29, 2018, 04:45:28 AM
This look good - it looks like you’ve put a lot of work into this! I would love a site like this, although as it is currently set up it wouldn’t really work for me for most of my ponies.... I’ll try to Explain why below.

To be honest, I was a little confused about both country and year. To me, country should be i.e. Hong Kong, China or Italy. The country that is marked on their hooves. The same with year. Change it to the year the mold was made. This makes it much more easier to work on identifying the pony you actually have, and it is the same for all.

It’s confusing for most Non-US collectors to use the US release plan as a way to map, identify and structure our collection. But that doesn’t mean that the information should not be included of course. When browsing and looking at the brief info on each pony - I would prefer to only have information that helps me actually identify the pony. Clicking in further on the picture, you can add information on where and when the ponies were released.

My main issue with especially country as it is right now is that it suggests that a lot of the ponies are US ponies, only because they were released in the US. That is not true. Most of these ponies are not only US ponies- they are released on equal terms in a lot of other countries. It would be the same as if I would put up Truly as a Norwegian release. I could, because she was released here, but it would be gravely misleading as she was also released in Sweden, South Africa and Australia. It confuses people, and perhaps especially all those collectors who is desperetaly trying to understand release patterns outside the US. When it comes to year, many of the ponies from other countries release plan was released very differently from the US. Both in different sets and in different years. This adds to the confusion, and is the reason why I suggest to put the year from the hooves on the brief info page on each pony instead of the year of the US release ;)

I’m sorry for «nagging» about this over and over again. I can understand that it might seem a little too much over something that might be perceived as unimportant in the long run. But I’ve spent years myself trying to understand my childhood collection and ponies picked up in the wild based on US information. The main issue always actually being country of release and year of release. I still come across collectors outside US who tries to work within the structure of the US release plan, because they still belieber this to be the correct one for them as well and it is demotivating and messy because it is not the same as the rest of the world.

It is of course your website, and you should of course put it up as you like. But if you do decide to keep US as country instead of the country on the hooves, could you perhaps put in a disclaimer that your site is using a US centric model in identifying ponies? At least that might help to increase the understanding that it is different ways of structuring releases and ponies ;)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on September 29, 2018, 05:13:41 AM

I’m sorry for «nagging» about this over and over again. I can understand that it might seem a little too much over something that might be perceived as unimportant in the long run. But I’ve spent years myself trying to understand my childhood collection and ponies picked up in the wild based on US information. The main issue always actually being country of release and year of release. I still come across collectors outside US who tries to work within the structure of the US release plan, because they still belieber this to be the correct one for them as well and it is demotivating and messy because it is not the same as the rest of the world.


You and I think and feel the same on this. I think it's genuinely the case that a lot of folk don't realise how different releases are and that it's not one integral set of dates and sets but a whole myriad of them that intersect and weave a complex web.

I know some people in the UK don't bother about how things are classified or don't mind classifying their stuff by the US methodology, but I also don't like seeing my childhood ponies labelled as US ponies, when they're clearly not. MLP belongs to all of us in all different places. I think saying it is unimportant is to basically say that all but the US release is unimportant, and I am pretty sure nobody is saying that. I think it's just that the information is harder to find, and people genuinely don't know. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy, because sites tend to follow the templates of other sites, which all use the same system. And people, not finding any other option, then follow suit, and so it goes on. (And if you break with that tradition, you get your information questioned or called hearsay, or you get told to change your system to conform with other sites.

 I speak from experience! XD

I love the concept of the site. I just wish that sites would look at things more globally, so collectors had more choice about how they wanted to classify their ponies (and also find out how their ponies fit in to the bigger picture).

Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on September 29, 2018, 10:25:33 AM
I’m sorry for «nagging» about this over and over again. I can understand that it might seem a little too much over something that might be perceived as unimportant in the long run. But I’ve spent years myself trying to understand my childhood collection and ponies picked up in the wild based on US information. The main issue always actually being country of release and year of release. I still come across collectors outside US who tries to work within the structure of the US release plan, because they still belieber this to be the correct one for them as well and it is demotivating and messy because it is not the same as the rest of the world.

It is of course your website, and you should of course put it up as you like. But if you do decide to keep US as country instead of the country on the hooves, could you perhaps put in a disclaimer that your site is using a US centric model in identifying ponies? At least that might help to increase the understanding that it is different ways of structuring releases and ponies ;)

Thank you and don't worry, you're not nagging. :)

I do agree that the U.S. centric model does not seem to work well for non-US collectors and for organizing ponies that do not conform to the traditional US release schedule.  I do have a field on each pony called "origin" which is the country where the pony was manufactured based on their hoof marks.  This would conform to the Hong Kong, China, Italy structure.  Maybe it would make more sense to display that more prominently on the site.  And instead of having a category called "country" use "released in" or "sold in" to document where the ponies were sold as far as we know.

I do think a lot of this information should come with a disclaimer.  I was born the same year that MLPs were first sold so I certainly don't have firsthand knowledge of release dates.  I'm not sure about the year category.  Maybe its not really important either?

This is very helpful feedback and even though there is a lot of information on the site I can update it fairly easily.  Please don't hesitate to provide your opinions or feel like you're nagging.

I'm a professional web developer and i'm very used to getting feedback.  You will not hurt my feelings :)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on September 29, 2018, 01:09:04 PM
If you need any help with UK release info then let me know. Although I did promise to help the Wiki people this summer and then I had to move and some other stuff and never got around to it. But I will try. I think its an organisational question as to how much organisation you use, and if you use it, how you deal with contradictions. Most especially ponies in split sets (where some are sold in one place and not another) and ponies who have different names/set organisation.

I was also born in 1982, but I corresponded with Hasbro UK a bit in 1995 and got some information from them about release years according to what material they had in their own records. And I kind of built up from that with collecting information since then. I think we have maybe too much UK information compared to the rest of Europe because finding UK information goes back to the nineties, and we speak English as well, like the US, so it's easily transmitted. It's maybe harder with some other places because it's so far from the release years now - but I feel like we're getting some more good information lately on releases in some other places and so it must be possible to put something together that's at least some way helpful for people outside the US.

I'm working on messing with my site in between all the other stuff I have on at the moment because I actually want to try and incorporate more information about Europe, even though it's kind of outside the perameters of both my expertise and my geography. This forum is a great space to pick up information from other people and people are happy to share.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 29, 2018, 02:21:38 PM

Thank you and don't worry, you're not nagging. :)

I do agree that the U.S. centric model does not seem to work well for non-US collectors and for organizing ponies that do not conform to the traditional US release schedule.  I do have a field on each pony called "origin" which is the country where the pony was manufactured based on their hoof marks.  This would conform to the Hong Kong, China, Italy structure.  Maybe it would make more sense to display that more prominently on the site.  And instead of having a category called "country" use "released in" or "sold in" to document where the ponies were sold as far as we know.

I think this is a good idea! And also use terms as «sold in» or «released in», would be more on point instead of «country». I mean, I do think that information is important. But unfortunately, there is still so many things we do not know about pony releases.

I was also born in 1982, by the way ;) I actually do remember a lot from the early years of G1. MLP didn’t have their first releases in Norway before 1985/1986-ish (I am still trying to find the exact time and confirmation on the first release). MLP was my very favourite toys as a kid, so it was always a big deal when I got someone new :P

Anyway, I really like this idea. Most of us have a lot of fun collecting and likes to put everything in lists :P I’ll be following the development of your site for sure!!

Post Merge: September 29, 2018, 02:32:01 PM


I’m sorry for «nagging» about this over and over again. I can understand that it might seem a little too much over something that might be perceived as unimportant in the long run. But I’ve spent years myself trying to understand my childhood collection and ponies picked up in the wild based on US information. The main issue always actually being country of release and year of release. I still come across collectors outside US who tries to work within the structure of the US release plan, because they still belieber this to be the correct one for them as well and it is demotivating and messy because it is not the same as the rest of the world.


You and I think and feel the same on this. I think it's genuinely the case that a lot of folk don't realise how different releases are and that it's not one integral set of dates and sets but a whole myriad of them that intersect and weave a complex web.


Yes, I have a feeling we agree very much on this topic :P
And I also agree that it is this self-fulfilling prophecy, going around in circles with the same flawed information that is the issue. It is both time-consuming and confusing to understand other releases, but I can’t help to think that it’s only like that because we don’t recognize it yet. I used to think that UK releases was all over the place, but after your Scrapbook came along it makes so much more sense to me! I hope that will eventually be the case with other countries releases as well. But even though it is more difficult now, so many years after they were first released, I am still impressed with what we already know! :biggrin:
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on September 29, 2018, 03:01:24 PM
Make no mistake, UK releases are all over the place ;)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Khoufu on September 29, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
I might use it. Would it be able to host images, or at least thumbnails, for tracking our collections and wishlists by image? How about a way to rank wishlist ponies?
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on September 29, 2018, 04:11:48 PM
I'm not sure about image hosting just because of bandwidth costs and the time it would take to monitor for spam and inappropriate images.  Its a feature I may consider down the road.

I will have a field for wishlist ponies to rank by priority (ie. High, Medium, Low)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 29, 2018, 11:31:59 PM
Make no mistake, UK releases are all over the place ;)

:lol: Maybe it is me who is getting better at understanding the chaos!

Post Merge: September 30, 2018, 12:04:01 AM

Beth, I was looking at your site again and noticing the search categories at the bottom of your page. Would it be possible to have a search engine that let the user set up his/hers own search request? Instead of having pre-set categories? And have multiple levels in the search to choose from? For instance;
1. Age: Baby pony
2. Release type: Mail order

Or

1. Mold: Earth
2. Theme: weather

Or

1. Origin: Hong Kong
2. Released in: United states

Not sure if that is a possible function, but I would at least find it easier to navigate if I could set up my own search structure instead of it being pre-set. Of course you can have both as well, as I am sure there are many who would want to do quick searches :)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: banditpony on September 30, 2018, 06:09:31 AM
I feel like the navigation is too bulky that I wouldn't use this site personally.

For instance for colors-- it has multiple pages. I'd rather see infinite scrolling or "more" rather than static pages. I don't want multiple clicks to get to whatever page orange is.

But goodluck. :)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on September 30, 2018, 10:02:48 AM
Beth, I was looking at your site again and noticing the search categories at the bottom of your page. Would it be possible to have a search engine that let the user set up his/hers own search request? Instead of having pre-set categories? And have multiple levels in the search to choose from?

Yes this is definitely a high priority feature that I will work on once I finalize all of the search categories.  The real challenge is that ponies have so many characteristics that it is difficult to build a search engine that isn't completely overloaded.

I feel like the navigation is too bulky that I wouldn't use this site personally.

For instance for colors-- it has multiple pages. I'd rather see infinite scrolling or "more" rather than static pages. I don't want multiple clicks to get to whatever page orange is.

But goodluck. :)

Yeah this might actually be a good use case for infinite scrolling.  I'm generally not a fan of infinite scrolling because IMO it becomes difficult to see any items that show up later in the feed.  With pagination I can just skip through the pages quickly without having to scroll.  But since there are usually a fairly small number of results some combination of filtering and infinite scrolling may work well.

TBH I'm still working through a lot of the design so it is my no means set in stone.

thank you for your feedback :)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Sweet Daes on September 30, 2018, 10:22:48 AM
I left a similar message over on MLPMerch (as they just announced that they are going to have G1, G2 and G3 added in there) because it seems that there are all of these competing sites with lists but there is nothing special between them  ._.

It's actually quite overwhelming that not a whole lot of websites carry much in the way of perks to actually use them since I'm making my own lists of stuff that I need to complete my collection. At the end of the day, I stick to the same pool of websites because they are easy(ish) to navigate- but I dislike wiki and blog-style sites because they are not all that easy to search. They exist therefore I will use them.

But, I spend all of my time making, updating and organizing lists. All websites are not anything special unless they fulfill my need to have a comprehensive accessory check-off list that I can turn public when I want. Otherwise, it's great that websites want to be a pony database, but I probably won't fully use it unless they bring something else to the table that helps me as a collector.

I hope that this information is useful to you...
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on September 30, 2018, 11:17:44 AM
Everyone has a different reason they browse sites, and a different way in which they find it easiest.

You either have to try to please everyone or develop a niche or feature that you can offer that nobody else does, even if it means that your site isn't the mainstream site everyone is using.

I do feel like a lot of websites attempt to duplicate the same thing. I actually don't understand why MLPMerch is putting G1 up there - I had hoped they'd be more Eurocentric in their organisation, but the teaser suggests they're just following the same system as all the other sites, so it seems a bit redundant. I love MLPMerch, it's my go-to G4 site - but even if it includes G1, I will still only use it as my G4 go-to site.

This is the hardest part of having a pony website I think. Working out whether you're catering to everyone, or to a specific market. And if the latter, what aspects of that market and why.

I gave up including variants on my site about 15 years ago because the Arena and other places had taken that niche. But nobody else has ever taken on the UK release, and nobody else integrates US and non US pony releases. That means even after 20 years, my site still has a niche that it offers which no other website covers. I know I'm not the world's best web designer, but if I were to take my site away, that information would be gone from the community. So my site isn't mainstream, but it covers a niche nobody else is, so I see a point in keeping it there, so that information isn't lost.

 I strongly advise you to play to your strengths and focus on perfecting the list system in as flexible a way as you can, as an interactive collection organiser? You are more experienced with web design than I am and you almost certainly have the skills to do that, including a sophisticated search function that would really be useful for people to organise their collections, and make them public or private as lists.

Chrissytree's done a lot on accessories in the last couple of years and her site is probably the best resource currently (though I don't think she has a checklist). Adding them would add to your complications, though, because of regional variations. You'd find the same issue as you have with organising ponies. Which is, is your site designed for American collectors to use, or everyone to use?
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on September 30, 2018, 04:21:29 PM
Yes it is definitely hard and most likely impossible to please all collectors with a single website.  Personally I'm not trying to be an authoritative source on all things My Little Pony.  That is probably much better left to niche sites that can do into depth on specific types of ponies.  I don't have the time or knowledge for that and I'm not looking to replace anyone's site.

I also started this site so I could have a fun way to combine my love of collecting MLP and web development. So its a fun side project. I have no plans to monetize it directly. Its just good practice for me and something fun to do outside of my web developer day job. Which TBH doesn't always make me feel productive or challenged.

So my plan is to have the core focus of the site will be for collectors to track their collections and want lists.  This does require a catalog of ponies and accessories which is always a challenge and will be an ongoing project.

So for now it sounds like the most in demand features are:

1) Better navigation/search/filtering to make it easier to find specific items.
2) Accessories.
3) More inclusive cataloging of ponies. ie. cataloging ponies by countries "sold in" vs. just having a "country" category where a pony is listed with a single country.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Kazzellin on September 30, 2018, 07:18:10 PM
Well, I'm definitely game! :D The site is mentioning a sign-up code, though? O_o No idea what that is. :huh:
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Eighties_Otaku on September 30, 2018, 10:10:43 PM
One site I use for my anime figures is http://myfigurecollection.net/ if something like that could ever work for ponies and even 80s collectibles, I think it would be pretty awesome
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on October 01, 2018, 04:48:06 AM
Well, I'm definitely game! :D The site is mentioning a sign-up code, though? O_o No idea what that is. :huh:

I'm not ready for anyone to register yet. I'm still building out some of the wishlist functionality but when i'm ready for collectors to register i'll post a sign up code.

I want to limit the registrations to arena members for now and prevent spam sign ups. :)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: banditpony on October 01, 2018, 05:42:24 AM
I feel like the navigation is too bulky that I wouldn't use this site personally.

For instance for colors-- it has multiple pages. I'd rather see infinite scrolling or "more" rather than static pages. I don't want multiple clicks to get to whatever page orange is.

But goodluck. :)

Yeah this might actually be a good use case for infinite scrolling.  I'm generally not a fan of infinite scrolling because IMO it becomes difficult to see any items that show up later in the feed.  With pagination I can just skip through the pages quickly without having to scroll.  But since there are usually a fairly small number of results some combination of filtering and infinite scrolling may work well.

TBH I'm still working through a lot of the design so it is my no means set in stone.

thank you for your feedback :)

See I disagree. I think having 6 clicks to get to the color orange takes too long. If the page is more static, rather than a "feed" it doesn't take long to scroll down and see orange. It's not intuitive what page it's on, it's just a random number I have to keep clicking to find.

I'm already scrolling because I don't see all the assets on one page. So I have to interrupt my scroll to go to the next page. So I'd rather scroll then go to multiple pages.

This sort of navigation is completely different... but throwing this out there. It doesn't have to be this way, but it's similar to how our digital asset management is at work.

All ponies are loaded all gens on 1 page. After 20 ponies are seen and end user gets to bottom of the page, 20 more are added to the page ( and this goes on forever).

User clicks Orange. All ponies from G1-G4 show up. (others filtered out)

User clicks G1. Now it shows only G1 Orange ponies.

User clicks baby.

Aww look there's a baby applejack, and whatever nirvana babies there are.


At work we also have the ability to do searches within our filters too. Like subject : cats .
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Khoufu on October 01, 2018, 07:55:26 AM
I prefer static pages, especially on mobile, so maybe there can be an option for either?
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on October 01, 2018, 07:58:49 AM
I'm wondering if endless scrolling might affect bandwidth and data use on mobile devices...

Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: banditpony on October 01, 2018, 08:07:01 AM
I'm wondering if endless scrolling might affect bandwidth and data use on mobile devices...



endless scrolling doesn't load the whole page.

I was a dope and called it infinite scrolling on my first suggestion. -_- I just meant that all the colors should be on one page and be static. I don't want to use other things as an example, but strawberry reef colors are all on one page: http://www.strawberryreef.com/Index/G1/G1index.html

(I get it that this doesn't have the same format, but I don't think the format is helping in anyway).

My other suggestion was just because someone mentioned their own searching. I was thinking no one else has a sort system in place that displays results like that. :/ Could be nice.

(And as I said, something that is infinite scrolling, it doesn't load 100% of the assets. Only small chunks at a time, so it's very similar to clicking "next").
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 01, 2018, 08:37:20 AM
I thought some more on this today. I’ve noticed that you have some ponies belonging to a set whereas others don’t, or are grouped together by other descritive criteria. Such as Non-so soft ponies. I like the idea to be able to put ponies in a set, so do you think it would be possible to broaden that? Remove the descriptions such as NSS and international ponies (which is not a set) and add sets such as Pony Friends (which is Truly and Cupcake’s) and Movie Star ponies (which are Wind Whistler, Buttons, Gusty, North Star etc.etc). I realize that this is depending a lot on info you might not have, but this is information the community has as a whole and I’m sure people here would be happy to help :)

Just a thought, and I would love to be able to put these ponies in their «correct» set on a wishlist or in a collection.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: StarSwirl05 on October 01, 2018, 01:19:21 PM
Looks interesting so far. I think we truly need an up-to-date database for MLP toys. The ones that existed/still exist stopped updating and/or were unable to be kept active.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: hyenacub on October 01, 2018, 01:37:29 PM
I can't seem to register for it, though.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on October 01, 2018, 03:25:58 PM
I'm not quite ready for signups yet.  the site should be ready for signups in a few weeks. Maybe sooner.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: hyenacub on October 01, 2018, 04:15:18 PM
Oh!  okay that would be why lol
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: TravelingTwinkler on October 01, 2018, 09:47:12 PM
An efficient cataloguing site would definitely be welcome! At the core I'd be looking for:

- Prominent quick reference by generation, color, or name (i.e., StrawberryReef.com (https://www.strawberryreef.com/), My Little Wiki (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/G1_Ponies), etc.)
- Ability to toggle different views for my collection (i.e., name list, thumbnails, names with thumbnails, detailed view, etc.)
- Comparing wants to trades between users
- Crowd-sourcing the database
- Import/export feature

In its current form, I don't think I'd use https://mylittleponycollection.com/  (https://mylittleponycollection.com/) because:

- The navigation feels hidden at the bottom of the page
- Not enough information is shown on each search result page when searching by category leading to too many pages to click through
- Too many subcategory variations (i.e., cornflower blue, light blue, and dark blue instead of just having a blue category)

The less clicks needed to find a pony, the better—about 3-4 clicks is ideal.

Thank you for posting! I'm super-interested to see this project evolve.

—mari
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Leikin on October 02, 2018, 01:32:39 AM
I really like the idea of a sort of online checklist. that you can just click a box that this one I have or this one I want (or this one I need an upgrade for). Sort of like the mlpmerch.com, but more flexible, that you can add comments for each pony if you want, like I have this pony, but it has cut hair, so I need an upgrade.

For me its not important to add my own images, as I will probably never have the time to photograph my ponies one by one, so I'm happy with just stock images to see wich variant of a pony I'm clicking the box that I have (like  Posey with pink or magenta tulips)

Of course I would prefer to have accessories as well, but as it is quite a huge job to list all different accessories they where sold with in different sets or different countries, I'm fine with skipping that part. at least in the beginning, as I would relly much want it at some point (not neceserly from you though, but that is something that would fullfill my collecting habits more, then just listing the ponies, as I'm more in the phase of collecting the accessories, then just the ponies itself right now)

And as said by others already, it would be nice if it used a more worldwide perspective of collecting and not just what is US and what is not. I dont have any good solutions on how to do that though, but one example might be to just focus on the pony at first hand, and then list which sets it is included in, and where these sets where sold.  As for Posey for example where the same pony had different set releases in different parts of the world. But on the other hand, I like to place my ponies in sets, so I would like to have the possibility to sort ponies by sets (and years) as well. Just be aware though that the same pony can be included in different sets (and with different accessories)
Im aware that I may not be making a lot of sence, but the whole early year releases is a mess as far as outside US, so forgive me for that :P

That said, I didnt actually see much of the layout on the page. I got stuck at places where there only was text to choose from, wich none of them where clickable, so I'm not sure If I did anything wrong or followed the wrong links, so I dont have much to say on the layout (yet) :P
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: TornadoTwist on October 02, 2018, 02:50:05 AM
I really like the idea of a sort of online checklist. that you can just click a box that this one I have or this one I want (or this one I need an upgrade for). Sort of like the mlpmerch.com, but more flexible, that you can add comments for each pony if you want, like I have this pony, but it has cut hair, so I need an upgrade.

We now have the option to add personalized notes. :)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 02, 2018, 03:54:15 AM
And as said by others already, it would be nice if it used a more worldwide perspective of collecting and not just what is US and what is not. I dont have any good solutions on how to do that though, but one example might be to just focus on the pony at first hand, and then list which sets it is included in, and where these sets where sold.  As for Posey for example where the same pony had different set releases in different parts of the world. But on the other hand, I like to place my ponies in sets, so I would like to have the possibility to sort ponies by sets (and years) as well. Just be aware though that the same pony can be included in different sets (and with different accessories)
Im aware that I may not be making a lot of sence, but the whole early year releases is a mess as far as outside US, so forgive me for that :P

Exactly this  :iconclap: I agree with everything, and you explained it much better than I did ;)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on October 02, 2018, 05:48:25 AM
thank you for the feedback everyone :) Its been extremely helpful.

I definitely need to overhaul the way ponies are grouped and categorized on the site.  Its difficult to capture the nuance of pony releases and variations between international and us releases in a database since the tendency is to use binary categories.  But this is mostly possible with a little work.

I also include a notes field with each grouping and pony where we can add more detail.  The last thing I want is to add bad information so I tend to go with what I know.  Since I started my collecting with ponies I remembered from my childhood and most of the collector sites I looked at presented the usual US collector organization I have been kind of stuck with the US model. 

But i agree this breaks down with international releases.  And I love the international aspect of the MLP community so I don't want to make any one feel left out.  I just don't want to spread misinformation.  I know this has been an issue with collector sites in the past.

I also will make changes to the layout to make more information visible at a time and reduce the number of clicks it takes to navigate the site.  Its definitely a challenge to present and organize so much information.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on October 02, 2018, 06:51:37 AM


I am renovating my site to be more inclusive of Europe at the moment and the more I go through it the more I realise even just the UK deviates a lot in stupid little ways.

In all honesty the most of the confusion comes in the early years. And those are the bits sites generally get muddled up. I agree it is good not to spread misinformation but thank you for wanting to make it more global.

I think it is possible to overcome some of the confusion by listing ponies under multiple years. Also by not listing variations in the same year as tge US release which is what the Wiki and ghostofthedoll do.

I don't like Strawberry Reef as a g1 resource as it includes mistakes that are not being fixed.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 02, 2018, 02:10:46 PM
Beth, I think it is awesome that you ask for feedback- it is not easy to understand MLP releases ;) I actually think what most sites do is to “overdo” it. They want to include all ponies and add all types of information about them based on hearsay or faulty sources. Taffeta has a good point when she is talking about finding your niche. If you are starting off by creating a collectors collection list and wishlist- do you need to categorize by release year? Why not just categorize by what you know is true and what everyone can see themselves? What color? What type of pony? What is under their hooves?

You can always add more information as you go a long, and have more time to double-check your sources right? I always ask myself questions when doing research - questions on my sources that is. For instance;

1. Is my source trustworthy? If my source on ponies released outside the US is Mlpwiki or StrawberryReef for instance, I wouldn’t call it very trustworthy. These sites have both been repeatedly critized for how they have structured the non-US ponies.

2. Can someone else confirm what my source is telling me? If I have decided that my source is indeed trustworthy, I still always would double-check the information I have received. For instance, if my source is a longtime collector of ponies in that specific region (lets say Germany), I still would have liked to get a second confirmation from an equally trustworthy source before I would have put anything up on the worldwide web.

As you can imagine, this is a lot of work if you want a lot of information on all ponies :P
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 02, 2018, 04:49:57 PM
I think listing by initial year is important to understanding the history of the brand.  How design themes came and went, how unicorns started with a trait of a mane stripe and then lost it, the switch from visual changes to action gimmicks, the rise of the Sweetheart Sisters, an influx of neon ponies as the 90s began . . .

IMO the "birth year" of a pony (the first time she appeared in toy form--in whatever country she first appeared in) is important to getting context for the toyline.

Listing the UK and Euro pony set setups is important too though, I agree with that.  But IMO that can be done while still saying "Gusty was first made in 1984."
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 03, 2018, 01:18:36 AM
I think listing by initial year is important to understanding the history of the brand.  How design themes came and went, how unicorns started with a trait of a mane stripe and then lost it, the switch from visual changes to action gimmicks, the rise of the Sweetheart Sisters, an influx of neon ponies as the 90s began . . .

IMO the "birth year" of a pony (the first time she appeared in toy form--in whatever country she first appeared in) is important to getting context for the toyline.

Listing the UK and Euro pony set setups is important too though, I agree with that.  But IMO that can be done while still saying "Gusty was first made in 1984."

I agree 100%- it IS important with release year and that is exactly why I’m still researching into this for Scandinavian releases. But there are already sites out there saying something about this (or trying to), and is it important for this site to prioritise it? The business idea here (as I understand it)is to create a site for collectors- mapping their collections and their wishlists. I still think it is important with release year, but I also think it is more important to simplify instead of publishing wrong information. Which is why I was trying to make the point of starting with the things that you know is true, and publish that. Continue doing your research and when you are ready to upgrade- great, do it!

So even though I personally think it is important with release year, and I personally would love more sites talking about the history of the brand, I am not sure if this information is crucial for this site to be able go live?
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on October 03, 2018, 02:28:10 AM
I think it's finding a balance. For example, Gusty is from 1984. Agreed. But her variations - SS Gusty (1985?) Fable Gusty (1986) and Movie Star Gusty (1987) all have later release years.

So we're dealing with the concept of Gusty as a character vs the different toys.

And if the database wanted to go with years, it would be easy to include each of those variations under their correct year with their correct set. But then also maybe have a "Gusty" area which shows all of them under the name label of Gusty. If that makes sense?

I don't know either how detailed it needs to be. I am disentangling Europe and UK and US at the moment and it is muddled up horribly in places. I understand why sites have such a difficult time figuring these things out because even doing it from the UK perspective, I come across something unexpected like, oh, wait, we didn't get x playset till x year? And wow, that's still out in 1989 here? Stuff that would never happen in the US line because the US line is organised and logical.

Gusty is an easier example because her variations are so distinct. It would be more problematic if we were dealing with, say forelock/no forelock HK/China on the Sweetberries, because as I mentioned before, there's a nice big production gap there which probably explains it, but makes listing them by year a pain in the butt.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on October 04, 2018, 05:55:09 AM
yes the more i think about it i think i'm going to de-emphasize years as a category for ponies.  i feel like it works ok for G1 ponies that conform to the US release schedule but not really anywhere else.

These discussions have been very helpful and thought provoking.

I'm still wondering how to handle all of the different variants of ponies. Especially since some of the variations are subtle. Like the Bow-ties that have hair colors that range from magenta to the lighter, more muted pink.  And the forelock/no forelock Sweetberries mentioned above.  Maybe thinking of them as characters would make more sense.

I am planning to make updates to the layout and structure of the site as I go along and get more feedback on whats working and what isn't working.  One of the great things about websites is that they can always be updated.  This current version is just a starter.  If i wait until its perfect it will never launch.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Taffeta on October 04, 2018, 07:48:50 AM
My tentative suggestion would be to organise as you suggest - by character. Ignore the name variations as they are not important to your site and all of us who use non us names all know all the US ones just fine. And years are going to muddle things.

How about organise as your core basis by character name and by set name. Not set release year or region but just set name. Again defaulting to US set names or organisation where necessary but allowing uniquely euro sets like movie stars to be listed as their own set.

So gusty would be mainly under her name and within that her different versions by set.

I actually think you could get away with basic earth, unicorn and pegasus for the early sets of those species in the US and other places but that might be too much. Just Hasbro UK categorised them all as part of one big category so it wouldn't be without precedent.

Obviously you would also have colour etc as search and organisation terms...but by character and set name over country and year seems logical to me.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. Would you use?
Post by: Beth3346 on October 17, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quick question about organizing by characters.  Would adult and babies be the same character?  i.e. Are Baby Applejack and Applejack different versions of the same character?
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on October 17, 2018, 09:58:00 PM
Quick question about organizing by characters.  Would adult and babies be the same character?  i.e. Are Baby Applejack and Applejack different versions of the same character?

Different characters, adult Applejack is the mother of Baby Applejack, same goes for the rest of the babies with matching parents.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on October 17, 2018, 11:03:32 PM
Honestly I’d love to use this site!
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Shaz on October 18, 2018, 01:23:15 AM
A site that lists by character and then lists the different variations of that character (maybe even including Nirvanas....??) would be amazing and I would definitely use it. So many pony websites list by year and I can never remember which year was which pony, especially when you take into account all the different countries. So listing by character really appeals to me.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Taffeta on October 18, 2018, 02:35:46 AM
Quick question about organizing by characters.  Would adult and babies be the same character?  i.e. Are Baby Applejack and Applejack different versions of the same character?

Different characters, adult Applejack is the mother of Baby Applejack, same goes for the rest of the babies with matching parents.

I agree. Different ponies.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: RavenPaw on October 19, 2018, 03:34:41 PM
I am really excited by this!  I have my own database of my collection that I made up many years ago.  Entering new ponies into the database is an important part of the spa day ritual for me.  I'm such a nerd when it comes to putting things in databases.  This would be so awesome because it's shared!  Other collectors can see what I have and, even better, what I need and have for trade.  That would be so useful!  I'm definitely on board and looking forward to watching this website develop.  I hope it becomes a big success!

The only thing I find confusing is what you call "mold" I call "species" (earth, Pegasus, Flutter, dragon, dog, etc.)  What I call "mold" is what position a pony is in,  (the Firefly mold, the Moondancer mold, Collector mold, etc.)  I dunno maybe that's just me, and maybe I'm just nit-picky.  I've been called that before.  ;)  But pose and mold are the same thing to me so I got confused at first.  I figured it out though!

And I agree, baby ponies are a different character than the adult with the same name.  The only time I'd throw babies in with mothers is when constructing an army, because in an army the more the better for taking over the world, muahahaha!  ;)
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Beth3346 on October 22, 2018, 06:27:27 AM
yes there is something oddly comforting about organizing ponies in a database. or anything really.

yeah i do think that mold is sort of ambiguous.  species does seem like a better word.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: mlp4me on October 22, 2018, 01:23:32 PM
Quick question about organizing by characters.  Would adult and babies be the same character?  i.e. Are Baby Applejack and Applejack different versions of the same character?

Different characters, adult Applejack is the mother of Baby Applejack, same goes for the rest of the babies with matching parents.

I agree. Different ponies.
I also agree, they are different ponies in my opinion. CP AJ is  a different pony to me than the regular store release for example, she's a distant cousin...
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: reanna-mator on October 22, 2018, 02:59:12 PM
Wow, this is looking great! Love the layout, love the database aspect. I'll definitely be signing up when it's ready to go.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Taffeta on October 25, 2018, 06:15:10 AM
Quick question about organizing by characters.  Would adult and babies be the same character?  i.e. Are Baby Applejack and Applejack different versions of the same character?

Different characters, adult Applejack is the mother of Baby Applejack, same goes for the rest of the babies with matching parents.

I agree. Different ponies.
I also agree, they are different ponies in my opinion. CP AJ is  a different pony to me than the regular store release for example, she's a distant cousin...

CP Applejack is a regular store release too. This is kind of why I hope this site of Beth's will move away from the idea of marginalising ponies not sold in the US, because CP AJ was sold in stores here at the same time curly AJ was sold in the US. They're both second edition versions of the original shy pose, but they're also both regular store releases. It just depends on your perspective. Year 2 AJ and CP AJ are both equally common really in the UK, but curly AJ is really hard to get here as she wasn't sold here and we have to import from somewhere. But I still consider her a store release, because she was sold in stores. Just not here :) CP AJ is the same. She was sold in stores across many countries. Just not the US.

Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Beth3346 on October 30, 2018, 06:54:15 AM
Ok sounds good. Moms, dads, and babies different characters.  What about across generations? Personally I view G1 Applejack and G4 Applejack as the same character.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Taffeta on October 30, 2018, 07:00:37 AM
Ok sounds good. Moms, dads, and babies different characters.  What about across generations? Personally I view G1 Applejack and G4 Applejack as the same character.

I think probably separate, and the reason is that names shared across generations don't always mean the same pony in terms of features. And if you went down that line, you might then have to consider whether Bright Bramley also fits into that category - why G3 AJ and not Bright Bramley when Bright Bramley has closer colours? And so on.

I'd keep generations separated for the sake of your sanity and for the sake of ease of use by collectors of each generation. Recycled names happen a lot in MLP, even within G1 (in the US at least), so if you start lumping them together between generations because they share a name then you would have to do the same with, say, unicorn Sunbeam and shs Sunbeam...and princess Sunbeam....if that makes sense?

If you didn't, then it would be inconsistent, but if you did, it would be confusing.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Beth3346 on October 30, 2018, 03:33:47 PM
Yeah Princesses are definitely separate characters. Same with Unicorn Sparkler and MGR Sparkler.

From a logistics standpoint its really easier to not separate them across generations. All of the information is in a database so i'm not manually adding information to each page.  Its more about making sure that the database is structured in a sane way.

That being said I do think it often makes sense to display generations separately.  Maybe it would make sense to give them the same name but add a filter.  Like have all Applejacks but then collectors could choose only G1s.  It could be interesting to see how the ponies change through each generation.
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Taffeta on October 30, 2018, 05:17:57 PM
Ultimately it's your site so it's up to you what you do. But from a functional point of view, it is a bit odd to put g3 AJ with G1 AJ and then separate Sparkler and MGR Sparkler. They are all different ponies. Unless you intend to do the same with all Sparklers, Rarities, Sunbeams etc...and simply use the name as a general tag. I think it is important to be consistent, and not everyone will agree that G3 AJ is the same as G1 AJ.

To give a comparison for annoyance level from a user perspective, these days on ebay if you are looking for a G1 AJ and put applejack into the search engine, you get a whole slew of G4 and some G3 as well. Even if it isn't what you are looking for, you still have to wade through the things because they removed the pre and after categories. Same kind of applies here. Just because Ebay can't tell the difference and lumps them all together now doesn't mean that people looking through them are looking for all gens. And the same will be true of collectors. Some won't be interested in G1 AJ at all, after all.

Not to be controversial or anything, but I also don't see G4 AJ as being the same as G1 AJ, just that G4  AJ is based on her design...
Title: Re: New MLP collector site. New Question
Post by: Beth3346 on October 30, 2018, 07:31:57 PM
Yeah it would definitely give collectors the ability to only view ponies from the generation or generations they are interested in though. Ebay is super annoying. Why they use pre 1990s and post 1990s cut off is beyond me. Clearly they don't know anything about MLP.

But to me it just feels wrong for a character name to be G4 Applejack when the pony is already classified as a G4 pony.

They would still be different ponies just:
Generation: 1
Character: Applejack

Generation: 4
Character: Applejack

They could be listed separately in a character search but also together so there is the potential for an "Applejack through the years" page.
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