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Title: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 18, 2012, 12:16:27 PM

EDIT: The person in question will not accept the fact that I have a limit of how low I can go before I lose serious amounts of money and they are getting quite nasty about it. I really don't know what to do about it, but they don't seem to accept that I will not accept lower than I have already stated !! :(

Hi guys,

Basically I have a sale currently going on with someone and we are in the middle of discussions of price, and I have made it clear I will not settle for less than I have already stated. I am feeling quite uncomfortable because I cannot backout - for reasons I cannot explain right now , please don't suggest saying no and backing out, it's not possible. Well, I am feeling uncomfortable because they keep saying things like 'so you meant £5 yes?' in a different currency to what I have already written, so if I say pounds they say dollars, if I say dollars, they say pounds, and I have made it very clear what currency I wish to deal in and how much to accept and now they are trying to confuse me by consistently swapping between currencies. I am permanently on my guard having to check previous emails before I confirm anything because I am worried they are going to do a quickie on me and take advantage and rip me off. The person is very nice and they have nearly full positive feedback, except once which mentions the EXACT same problem I am having. I wish to carry on dealing with this person, as we both need to (again, for reasons I cannot yet explain) , but no 'funny business' is involved, just a friend helping another but with complications.   :think:

Has anyone ever dealt with someone like this before? Do you have any advice for me, other than 'Be on your guard 24/7 and read your emails at least 4 times before confirming anything', I just feel that since I have been away recently, a few people have been 'taking advantage' of the situation as I have been extremely busy and slightly stressed. I could have the total wrong end of the stick, but for several people to be making extremely similar 'accidents' is a bit strange considering I make everything as clear as day when I write it.  :dumbpc:

Thanks for reading guys, I just don't know how to continue dealing with this situation sensibly without making a monumental screw-up!  :stressed:

XX    S     XX

Title: Re: Pushy buyers?
Post by: Chi on May 18, 2012, 12:23:02 PM

I would suggest listing the price in both pounds and dollars. That way whatever they send is correct. So if it is £5 then also say it is $7.90.
EDIT: RE: Your shoutbox post
Then you could just tell them that you wish to be paid in GBP so perhaps explain how paying through Paypal works and that you can pay in a currency other than your own. Do you think this person doesn't understand currency conversions or something? ):

Title: Re: Pushy buyers?
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 18, 2012, 12:25:01 PM

Thanks, I tried that but conversions are really awkward as they end up coming out with insane prices, like £5 (made up, not actual conversion) ends up coming out as $9.432 and not an exact round number, so I decided to deal in just pounds.... thank you though!
xxx

Title: Re: Pushy buyers?
Post by: Ringlets on May 18, 2012, 06:20:38 PM

Quote from: Chi on May 18, 2012, 12:23:02 PM

I would suggest listing the price in both pounds and dollars. That way whatever they send is correct. So if it is £5 then also say it is $7.90.

This is exactly what I would suggest too , if backing out is not an option  ^^ :awake: .   State in your messages that you would like payment in GBP, but having the conversion rate written in the message beside the GBP will show your buyer the amount that £5 would be in USD.
  If it shows a funny figure on the conversion rate (I use XE currency converter to check this) , just round it up  . So for example if it was showing as $9.5783, then round it up to either $9.60, or  even $10 to be on the safe side.  Since you are accepting payment in GBP, it wont matter if the dollar price is quite exact - its just a rough guide so that the buyer has an idea of what the conversion rate is.
(I would normally say that if you are feeling uncomfortable with the way a sale is going and you think that the buyer might be trying something a bit dodgy, then back out before money is exchanged, but thats up to you if you feel that this isnt an option for you right now)

Title: Re: Pushy buyers?
Post by: KiwiSquirtBottle on May 18, 2012, 07:17:04 PM

Figure out the price(s) and then send them an invoice from paypal. Working with your buyer is nice of you, but eventually you have to put your foot down. "5GBP and 4GBP for shipping." would be something to add in the comments section of your invoice. Also don't forget that Paypal charges a conversion fee. So if 5GBP is the minimum you need, it'd be 5 GBP + conversion adn selling fees. Here (http://ppcalc.com/)'s a paypal calculator that might help...?

Title: Re: Pushy buyers?
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 19, 2012, 01:03:11 AM

thank you everyone!You have been really helpful! xxx

Title: Re: Pushy buyers?
Post by: hikari_amaya on May 19, 2012, 04:48:50 AM

I had a similar situation and the conversion just had me confused :( But I'm familar to EUR and GBP to the point I know under 10EUR/GBP = under $20. But don't know the exact amount. I asked one buyer to invoice my paypal and I would pay her from there :) So I wouldn't have to guess how much to pay her :( with my luck I would get it wrong...

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 19, 2012, 11:19:57 AM

edited. :(

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Varkolak on May 19, 2012, 11:25:43 AM

maybe you should tell them that they either go with what you stated, or you'll get another buyer. it surely can't be too hard to find a buyer on here for a pony. not sure what the sale is, but if you need this money, you can't afford this person ripping you off or scamming you.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Sarahlacewing on May 19, 2012, 11:30:39 AM

Some people are like that.  In some cultures in particular it is customary to really play hard ball.  I would just decline the sale.  I know you said you feel like you can't but you aren't making any money at this point and they are continuing to harass you.  In addition, they are being incredibly rude.  I don't know the reasons you have for not declining but really there isn't much we can do for you.  You have done everything right.  You have been flexible and kind.  There is no further advice I feel I can give to work out this problem because the other person completely refuses to be reasonable.  If you feel you must sell to them, then you are going to lose out to this person.  I disagree with this because it's bad for you and it encourages this kind of behavior to continue.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 19, 2012, 01:06:37 PM

You can always post who this person is, particularly if they are a member here!  That way, if there is perhaps a language or cultural barrier, the community may be able to educate them on appropriate buying behaviors in our pony community.  I don't believe that harassing a seller is okay in any way whatsoever, and bullying you to lower the price (or change currencies) gives off HUGE red flags!  :(

*pony hugs*

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Oneleo1 on May 19, 2012, 01:20:54 PM

The last person that tried to pull a fast one on me with conversion rates ended up on my 'do not deal with list', and I backed out of the sale telling them that I was not comfortable with the way negotiations were going.

but if backing out is not an option, stick to your guns.

You could say something like The price is X amount in GBP, you can convert that into USD using this site - http://www.xe.com/ucc/ but keep in mind with the continual rate changes, it will be just an estimate in USD.

I only accept payment in GBP.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 19, 2012, 01:24:57 PM

Thank you everyone,The person has done me a favour so  I would feel bad posting about them. They have no language difficulties, its just that they are not accepting that I would lose money if I went lower on my prices and the sad thing is it has happened with other people too in the past :( arggh, I don't know what to say now. :l xxx

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: ponylady on May 19, 2012, 02:47:30 PM

I am sorry you are going through a difficult transaction.
 
But I would stick to your guns on your price.  I understand you said you can't back out because this person did you a favor.  In my opinion that does not give the person the right to haggle you to the point that you had to seek help about the situation.   
 
I would tell them that if they are not willing to pay what you are asking that maybe they need to find the item elsewhere.  Just because someone does something nice does not mean there has to be strings attached.  Generally folks do nice things here because we are one great big family and we like to help others out  :)   

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: sundaygirl on May 19, 2012, 03:08:29 PM

Quote from: ponylady on May 19, 2012, 02:47:30 PM

In my opinion that does not give the person the right to haggle you to the point that you had to seek help about the situation.

This.

I don't know all the circumstanses here, but to me it sounds like the person is trying to take advantage of the fact that you "owe" her/him.

Hopefully that is not the case. Maybe the buyer is just a bit pushy and doesn't realise others boundaries but I don't think you should feel like you have to go through the sale if the buyer doesn't accept your lowest price.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 19, 2012, 03:43:14 PM

Quote from: ponylady on May 19, 2012, 02:47:30 PM

  In my opinion that does not give the person the right to haggle you to the point that you had to seek help about the situation.   
 

Uhhhh yeah.  Helping you out and doing you a favor DOES NOT EQUAL having to put up with obnoxious behavior in the future when they "re-pay" the favor! 

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Sarahlacewing on May 19, 2012, 04:27:55 PM

I am so sorry to hear this.  I really do think they are trying to take advantage of you.  In general but especially here on the arena people do nice things for each other and it is never acceptable to lobby for special favors or price reductions in return.  The point of doing someone a favor is to be nice, not to get something back some day.

What are the items?  Maybe if you found another buyer you could explain to them you have offers of --- amount.  That way they can choose to meet the price or not buy.  If they are a pony person they know you can't go lower.  They probably know fair market value and that is why they are pushing so hard.  I really think you shoudl get a mod in on this.  It's wildly inappropriate behavior.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: babystarz on May 19, 2012, 04:42:50 PM

At this point I would just politely say that X is the firm price, if she'd like to pay that she can go ahead but otherwise you can't make a deal. After that, either she pays or if she continues to try to talk you down on the price, you say "sorry we couldn't come to a figure that works for us both, I just can't take a loss here." I realize that you really want this to go through, but people don't get to push you around financially just because you're in a tough spot. It sounds like this is quite drawn out already, which is just adding stress to your previous situation, rather than helping you.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Ringlets on May 19, 2012, 06:46:44 PM

:(  if this person has no language difficulties and is a member here, then I'm sorry but favor or no favor her/his behaviour is not acceptable :yikes: . Please just politely refuse to sell to this person (Babystarz has some good suggestions on what you might say) . You dont need all this trouble, and I am sure that you'll be able to sell the pony/item to someone else who will not mess you  about. I understand that haggling is normal in some cultures, but honestly you've been pretty clear that you've gone as low as you can with the price, and you dont need to be losing money on this sale.  If the buyer cant agree with this, then she/he needs to just move on. If the person still continues to harrass you after you back out, then please let us know.
:hug:

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 20, 2012, 03:02:24 AM

Hi guys, I can't tell the exact circumstances just yet, but by dropping this it might well reveal some things. It is a three way trade, the person buying the item I am after for me is the one who is trying to lower my prices. Basically, the person with the item I want is actually very nice and is not at all involved with the problem. (well at least I believe not), the item in question is of high value, and the middle person has bought it for me. IN return, I am trading them many items, but I have said they need to pay me an extra amount for ponies as well as shipping as the high amount they have already paid does not cover my costs or shipping and they just don't seem to accept this. I came home from London to find an email  from them 2 days ago and I wasn't very happy, it sort of put me in corner. Can I just ask everyone who is helping me, do you think that is fair because I feel that I am in a really difficult situation. I wrote quite a strong reply in return stating that the price was non negeotiable and it has carried on like this ever since. Argh what do I do?
Thanks guys :)

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: sundaygirl on May 20, 2012, 06:18:14 AM

It's difficult to say what is fair when we don't have all the details. But I think the key here is what has been agreed from the beginning. If you stated your offer before they bought you the item and they agreed to it, I have a hard time seeing that they could pull it back and start haggling. Especially when there's a third party involved and it puts you in a difficult situation.


What are their arguments? If it is unexpected costs related to buying you the item or that they have realised they clearly would make a loss from the trade, I can see their point. But otherwise I think you should stand your ground and don't go under your last offer.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Sebby6 on May 20, 2012, 09:49:07 AM

Has money already changed hands?
Otherwise maybe you could buy the item yourself and then sell the other stuff to make the money back.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: kitkatvintage on May 20, 2012, 01:35:01 PM

If you are trading multiple items & requesting additional money from this person, why not take a few items out of the trade to equal the amount of money you are requesting? It seems like working out all of the details of trade value with or without additional money may have been a good idea before the person you are working with purchased the pony from the third party. As complicated as this situation sounds, I think it's hard to say what's "fair" without allof the info from the transaction... sorry.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: TornadoLovesMelody on May 20, 2012, 08:33:50 PM

Yeah, I think this has come to the point where people need to know all the facts in order to be able to help you.

this has been said but:
If the price was agreed BEFORE they bought the item for you then it was settled. You should not have to go any lower neither should they request it.
That's rude and disrespectful.
If, money hasn't been exchanged for the item they were going to purchase for you, I'd go with what Sebby6 said above, and buy the item yourself.

Remember this, it's never too late to back out of a transaction if they are harassing you. It's not ok. NOT AT ALL. Favor or not.
I'm sure you could find someone honest and nice to help you with your transaction.

Or, do as kitkatvintage suggested.
Sure, lower the price, but  take the same ammount of ponies out of the trade  then. If they don't want to pay what you agreed to - then obviously they don't want all those ponies either.

And also, I think it would be good to give the name as I'm sure plenty of us wouldn't want to deal with such a person.

Or, at the very least, mention this in the feedback you leave once the transaction is complete, if you decide to go through with it.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: hikari_amaya on May 21, 2012, 01:36:10 AM

Ok I have no clue on what's going on... your being wayyy to vauge you don't have to give out usernames but you have to give out some sort of details so we can help you.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 21, 2012, 03:30:18 AM

Thanks everyone, please don't worry too much as something is being settled now. It was quite difficult but it has nearly been sorted.
Thanks again :) x

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 21, 2012, 08:26:22 AM

Hope that our mods can help you out!

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 21, 2012, 09:26:42 AM

The third person cancelled because they were uncomfortalbe (and I don't blame them) and I have cancelled it with the middle man, I had basically had enough of being nearly scammed out of a lot of money. Thank goodness for kind and supportive people like you guys and especially the mods. xxx

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: ponylady on May 21, 2012, 09:55:35 AM

I am glad to hear that you have backed out, it's not worth feeling uncomfortable over or to make your middle man feel uncomfortable. 
 
I am also glad to hear that you stuck to your guns in the end with your price.  ;)   
 

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Dyzarktarzk on May 21, 2012, 10:34:00 AM

It always takes a lot of courage to back out from a transaction.  But now  I'm curious about the item you were aiming for.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Sarahlacewing on May 21, 2012, 11:00:14 AM

I'm glad it all worked out.  It sounds like everyone involved was having some sort of issue with the transaction.  In the end it is probably best just to let it go and search for a direct trade with negotiated terms. I'm happy you did not end up losing out on all that money.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 21, 2012, 11:48:47 AM

Sounds like opening a thread here was the right thing to do, as it resolved your stress over trying to get this item!  I am glad that we could help you out.  :)

I hope you are able to find said item in the near future!  :)

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 21, 2012, 12:57:58 PM

Ok, I can reveal now what the item was... My grail Greek Sunlight. I am absolutely gutted that I haven't been able to get her and as I have no money it won't be possible for me to get her. :( My mum only approves of me trading for ponies I want, so if anyone has her and wants lots of my ponies including princess dragons, please contact me! xxx

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: hikari_amaya on May 21, 2012, 01:52:32 PM

In the long run the middle man sounds 8 shades of bad. I'm glad you canceled, because it sounds like he was trying to scam you big time :(

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: babystarz on May 21, 2012, 01:55:44 PM

Sorry to hear that things didn't work out, but it's good that you stood up for yourself on the price. I'm sure you will eventually be able to get yourself a nice Greek Sunlight, I would trade with you if I had one! I hope you're not too put out, this just means it will be that much more exciting when you finally get her :)

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: It just got worse.
Post by: Ringlets on May 21, 2012, 06:49:36 PM

I'm sorry that you lost out on getting your grail, but I really do think that backing out was the best thing for everyone involved.  I hope that another Greek Sunlight is waiting for you soon, and I'm glad that posting here helped you to sort things out :hug:

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 22, 2012, 09:10:23 AM

There will be another opportunity to get Greek Sunlight, there will!  Do you plan on collecting all your life ; there's plenty of time to get her.  Perhaps even when you are able to make financial decisions by yourself and don't have to depend on what your mom allows you, you'll be able to outright BUY Greek Sunlight!  :D 

Don't give up!

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 22, 2012, 10:59:03 AM

Haha, yes I'm sure there will be! I am allowed to buy what I want, but my mum always ends up saying "Why did you buy another bloomin' pony when you have a room full of them! You're not a child anymore! Buy some clothes instead!" >.<
I have been saving though and I am getting a job soon *hopefully!* x

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: Dyzarktarzk on May 22, 2012, 06:11:28 PM

But but but ponies are nice!!  And one can survive with only 2 pairs on pants and some tees!!

I'll keep and eye open for a Greek Sunlight, sooner  or later it will come to you.  And without the hassle of having a 3-way on getting it o.o

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: Unicorn_pops on May 22, 2012, 06:36:11 PM

Hey sweetie...sorry you missed out on your grail. But like others said, they will be others! I got scammed out of a sugarcake and now I finally found one!  I'm keeping a lookout for those ponies for you too :)

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 28, 2012, 05:27:30 AM

Ahh, why don't people understand no means no? I've had it again recently and it is really bothering me, I'm beginning to think that just because I am 17, people think I am ignorant and my prices mean nothing! :(
And another niggle, someone just bought a beautiful greek sunlight on ebay! Darn not having the money! :(

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: Ringlets on May 28, 2012, 05:24:14 PM

:hug:  there will be another greek Sunlight for you. Stay away from ebay to avoid disappointment in the meantime
To stop people from offering you lower prices in future ( unless you actually list the price a bit higher to allow for someone to make an offer without you losing money) I would suggest adding a note in your sales threads or any messages regarding sales that prices are non-negotiable. The prcie you list is the price you need to get , nothing lower  :awake: 

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: maycrestmom on May 29, 2012, 09:26:17 AM

Honestly this thread's mistatements and whines are now just too much for me = understanding that the overall resolution of you cancelling your sale for no good reason other than to mention you were selling out from under me  had nothing to do with "no means no" and your age... Silver refunded me the money when you wanted to have her send the greek sunlight "for inspection" first... it only made sense after that back-out comment of yours to let Silver just deal with you directly AFTER you and I dealt directly - which I was fine with from the get go...

I was fine to pay your requested $230 =  heck I was out $240 when the cancellations came... I am sorry I misunderstood at the beginning and thought that was a total including shipping = but then you never provided me the amount of the cost of shipping from UK to US.  You changed the amount of the sea ponies you were selling and then your last email prior to cancellation was changing up to then not selling baby sea ponies at all.  So much for consistency and straightforward communication - as I said before = look at the three fingers pointing back just as much as the one pointing out to understand the problem...

Honestly, I get that my kind gesture of sending you 18GBP = a week in advance of you getting back from classes = apparently so freaked you out you got all conspiratorial about the situation.  But my intention was to show you I was a serious buyer and wanted to make the whole situation work so you got a greek grail and I got dragons and sea ponies ...
 
I had to ask you how many times just to get you to forward photos?  Thanks for finally finding the time, but come on = I put a lot of trust out there with paying everybody in advance and keeping fingers crossed that  it ended up with ponies travelling... I tried, I really did = and most everyone here knows I am a no hassle/no fuss no muss kind of buyer and seller.  I really don't appreciate how you spun the whole tale - enough already. 

I totally do not mind you cancelling as you were getting stressed = fine.  I totally want everybody happy with buying/selling here at arena  = not stress = RL has enough already... so stop the complaining about not having a greek grail already as you were the party that ended the deal - so be happy with it and everybody is right as they have said = another will happen later.  Thank goodness your grail is not a one of a kind!

I cannot apologize more for misunderstanding and I tried in PM's to tell you as much... but geesh, girl = the bottom line is that you were pissed when Snow backed out and you took it out on me with cancelling - and a parting shot about selling the same stuff to others.
 
{slight edit for language~PonyLady}

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 29, 2012, 12:55:45 PM

I'm not interested in what you have to say about it now MCM, the matter is closed. This isn't a 'whine' at anyone, and I didn't even mention the arena. It is not just you who I've (how do I put this as politely as possible??) been having problems with. It doesn't matter now either. I wasn't 'pissed' as you so rudely put it at Snow, I very much like Snow and acutally - I am very glad she backed out, it gave me the incentive to appreciate I had enough of being consistently lowered on price. Maybe you didn't know you were doing it? god only knows how though, but you were and I had said from the beginning that I only wanted to work in one currency and specifically posted in dollars for your benefit, also I said the italians were not included, I made my decision at the beginning as one was a birthday present and I wasn't willing to lose money on her as she was special to me. I don't understand why you have come here after I have resolved this with you via PM to keep the situation 'pleasant' since you are not interested in being friends. I figure it is trying to make me appear bad or something, now I know how Stormy feels.
I no longer wish to discuss this, as I think the mature thing to do is not continue this. As I put in the top of the post: I cancelled with you, I am happy and safe and much more relaxed, other members can even see a difference in the way I have been acting and behaving. When stressed, I can appear the opposite of how I really am.

Thanks for posting your view MCM. I wish to no longer continue this as I politely wrote in my PM, the transaction was stressful and unpleasant and I do not wish to carry it on, it's over, it's done. Nothing more than that. I'd also like to mention about the 'being pissed' at Snow bit as a reason for cancelling on you as being (sorry mods) complete and utter 'crap' (hopefully that is okay lnguage, if not then I am so sorry mods!) I cancelled on you because I was not comfortable with you lowering me consistently on price, you didn't seem to get it. I could post copies of the PMs but I'm not as immature and senseless to do that, that would not be fair on anyone.
Please respect the fact that I have dropped this, I wasn't 'whining' as you put it etiher, I was merely stating it was a shame I couldn't afford to buy a Greek Sunlight that recently ended on ebay. I'm not actually that bothered to be frank, I have a life, I have a family and family comes before ponies. This kind of behaviour is what makes me think twice about being a member, Rhini posted about it too, all the bickering and disagreements. I just want peace for crikes sake. Can you please just let it go? I have, you can see that by the last time I posted about our situation. I would like to not carry this on so please don't, and don't bring Snow into this, it isn't fair, she made it clear she didn't want to be involved. It was between you and I, but no longer is as I am no longer willing to continue this conversation as it is getting unpleasant and I only wish to keep peace.
Thanks for respecting this.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: ponylady on May 29, 2012, 01:17:16 PM

Please before it gets out of hand, let's keep this civil.
 
I understand you both have frustrations over this transaction. It is understandable.  But the best thing for all parties involved was for it to be canceled and it was.  I would consider it over at this point. 
 
If either one of you should have any further problems, please email Ringlets or I to discuss it and not turn this into a mud-slinging bash here.

Title: Re: Pushy buyers? EDIT: Cancelled Transaction and now safe and happy.
Post by: Icecrystalline on May 29, 2012, 01:26:33 PM

Thank you Ponylady. This was over a week ago that it was ended. I don't know why it has to continue, I have made it clear I wish only to be out of this, I am not angry at anyone nor do I hold 'grudes' or anything else like that. I just don't want to be involved as I have said in numerous PMs. I wrote in the last PM that I was not going to talk to MCM again and that is how I wanted it to stay, I don't want fights, I don't want stress.
Thank you for your support PL. xx