Awesome! Well done fpr spotting it. So if Argos did their own photos then there is a chance this pony is knocking about in the UK somewhere...but more likely it's a Hasbro stock photo and the pony is long gone or rotting in a box in the mysterious Hasbro Vault...
She was saved from destruction. Hasbros policy was to destroy all prototypes.
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This prototype is amazing, Ember1! How has she been confirmed as a prototype?She was saved from destruction. Hasbros policy was to destroy all prototypes.
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As far as proving a proto is real... Hasbro did not document possession of these because they saw them as production waste and intended for them to be destroyed to protect intellectual property and avoid any liability from a child playing with a pony not up to safety standards. So the only protos out there are by nature not going to have recognition from Hasbro. We simply need to decide as a community if we accept them or not. Honestly I don't know why this particular proto gets so much scrutiny? the painting time or baby Explorer seem more accepted and I don't understand why when they came from UK car boot sales with just as much providence as CP Sundance? Clippers recent sunspot proto was not questioned as much either?
It is very interesting to see the catalog picture. Where is it from? Has it been confirmed it's from Argos or is that just guessing?
edit to add: the altered picture of Grooming Parlour is the box picture(?) for the parlour with Snuzzle... I think that playset actually exists, but the box picture is just edited.. it is mentioned in taffeta's website.
The two photos (one with Lemon Drop and one with Sundance) look like the same photo shoot. The deliberate removal of Brandy and moving the fence and door makes it hard to argue a photo edit. I would guess they were considering an alternative release for the playset, maybe a store catalog exclusive (those were popular in the 80s and sometimes had variations like different colored accessories, alternative packaging etc.)
And just to make a point (Devils advocate). It is possable to fake a prototype, a variant or even a full production. There are people with enough knowledge and/or access to production equipment that could easily produce something if they had motivation. The question is why bother, it dosent make enough money to warrant the effort and it would take alot of effort to make it pass as real.
Check this out.. Looks like Argos strikes again... Its a catalogue image from Argos with a butterscotch for the pretty parlor.. Some of the accessories look different too.. Has anyone seen this?
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Check this out.. Looks like Argos strikes again... Its a catalogue image from Argos with a butterscotch for the pretty parlor.. Some of the accessories look different too.. Has anyone seen this?
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Too much skepticism when evidence consistently point to an authentic pony creates a negative connotation with sharing new discoveries. For instance, I have a few other oddities in my collection and I am a bit hesitant to share them with the community.. I can understand everyone has their own opinion but finding and sharing CP Sundance with the community has been a very stressful experience for me. I find so much time and energy is devoted to proving that she's real when I already know she is real.
The enjoyment of the thrill of finding a genuine piece of the hasbro history is lost. I don't know if i want to go through that with the few other gems I have.. Its just my personal decision though.. Everyone is entitled to do as they like. All I am saying is that when sharing new discoveries becomes so draining and they loose the excitement of the discovery due to constant negativity it starts to become not worth it for me.. I would rather appreciate and share them privately ;)
Before the skeptics wanted catalogue proof that she existed. It took years for that evidence to finally surface. Now you want the full article. And then if we ever get that something else will be needed. No matter how much proof is assembled here it never seems to be good enough for the skeptics. It is very draining as im always fighting for the truth. If some people want to believe otherwise it their choice. Im just done trying to appease. This is an amazing discovery and I am very happy its been made. It sound like other community members are happy as well.
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Check this out.. Looks like Argos strikes again... Its a catalogue image from Argos with a butterscotch for the pretty parlor.. Some of the accessories look different too.. Has anyone seen this?
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Too much skepticism when evidence consistently point to an authentic pony creates a negative connotation with sharing new discoveries. For instance, I have a few other oddities in my collection and I am a bit hesitant to share them with the community.. I can understand everyone has their own opinion but finding and sharing CP Sundance with the community has been a very stressful experience for me. I find so much time and energy is devoted to proving that she's real when I already know she is real.
The enjoyment of the thrill of finding a genuine piece of the hasbro history is lost. I don't know if i want to go through that with the few other gems I have.. Its just my personal decision though.. Everyone is entitled to do as they like. All I am saying is that when sharing new discoveries becomes so draining and they loose the excitement of the discovery due to constant negativity it starts to become not worth it for me.. I would rather appreciate and share them privately ;)
Before the skeptics wanted catalogue proof that she existed. It took years for that evidence to finally surface. Now you want the full article. And then if we ever get that something else will be needed. No matter how much proof is assembled here it never seems to be good enough for the skeptics. It is very draining as im always fighting for the truth. If some people want to believe otherwise it their choice. Im just done trying to appease. This is an amazing discovery and I am very happy its been made. It sound like other community members are happy as well.
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I have all the Argos catalogues from the 80's and 90's in the UK. I have been looking through them to try and find this Sundance picture and so far I have had no luck.
I don't think the picture came from an Argos catalogue in any event as it is not the correct format, ALL Argos items have a number on the picture and the picture with Sundance in the stable doesn't have an item number.
I will carry on looking and when I have found all the Show Stable's I will share the pictures in this thread :)
I still find it amazing that my CP prototype Sundance survived ultimate hasbro destruction. The catalogue photo of her is also just as amazing. So many things are thrown out over the years. Its amazing any prototypes have survived at all. I guess thats why collecting them is so special. They are living Hasbro history.
And the butterscotch looks odd to me as well. Certainly not a FF. Just look at that brown saddle and unusual accessories.
What are those numbers underneath where the pony is standing? That cat is different to the one released in the normal version.
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Ponyland I went looking for images of Megan's Place to see if CP Sundance features in one of the images, but hit a dead end :( The Sears Catalogue images only have shy pose Sundance and Megan's Place in the correct colours.
Let's see what STP finds ^.^
I guess eliminating things is the way to starts!
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It's quite likely that it's the same prototype pony used on the pic, that Ember1 now has in her collection. The pony was "knocking about" in the UK before that if I recall correctly. Quite a few prototypes of european exclusive ponies has been found in UK, I think the creators just took their prototypes home when they were done. :)
Here is the prototype in my collection.
She look to be the same one as in the catalogue photo.
Forlock and symbols look the same. Someone prolly just took her home and
She was saved from destruction. Hasbros policy was to destroy all prototypes.
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Here you go ponyland. A pretty picture of her and the catalogue photo together. And for fun i put card underneath her muzzle to see what her hair would do. Looks identical to the catalogue photo. Look at the shape of her tail. Same shape :) symbols are the same size and same location. I like the photo and pony together.
Wow that blossom looks like a prototype too. Her symbols are in a different placement that the regular release.
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Is there any possibility the pic could be from a TRU or Woolworths catalogue?
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But in any case this proves that Hasbro toyed (heh) with the idea of having a CP Sundance.I agree with this part. The picture definitely speaks in favor of an existing sundance prototype.
But in any case this proves that Hasbro toyed (heh) with the idea of having a CP Sundance.I agree with this part. The picture definitely speaks in favor of an existing sundance prototype.
It would have been good if we could find a bigger version though. I know if it had been me who found the tiny picture online I would be all over it. I would have tried to contact the person who posted it and asked politely if they know anything about it, if they have the source, if they would be willing to scan it and so on. But the people who found it don't seem to be interested in doing that, and I'm not sure why as a better quality picture could be in favor of ember's pony.
I don't think anyone wants ember's pony to be fake, everyone wants the pony to be genuine. Everyone will be happy if/when it has been confirmed. It's just the rush to make a verdict that isn't good.
There have been so many ponies where it took a long time before we knew what they were. There was a picture of a pegasus (venezuela Medley? I think) that was floating around for years. It was exciting to hear peoples thoughts about it back then.
I also remember when the piggy ponies surfaced. I was one of the people who believed they were real from the start. Then there were some people who refused to believe they were real, even when several mocs had been found and people found information about the production and such. So they were definitely debated. But I don't remember anyone trying to pick a fight over it or bullying someone because they had a different opinion.
The people who didn't think the piggies were real, I'm guessing they changed their mind eventually. And if they didn't, that's their problem. It isn't something to pick a fight over.
Reading the comments about uk catalogs here I realized I have one of those too. I don't remember seeing anything extraordinary like this when I bought it, but I will get it out of storage and have a look just in case.
It looks like both Ember and Tootie are feeling bullied.
I don't think anyone has a problem with different people having different opinions, I think the issue is that it feels like this pony is getting more scrutiny than others. For example, it's been rejected for the nirvana gallery pending proof it's real, yet other ponies that could be disputed are included like white windy who many collectors are not convinced of yet.
Maybe we need some kind of minimum standards for the community to list a pony as a accepted variant. It wouldn't mean every collector needs to agree it's legitimate, but it could help avoid the current situation.
I think the issue is that it feels like this pony is getting more scrutiny than others. For example, it's been rejected for the nirvana gallery pending proof it's real, yet other ponies that could be disputed are included like white windy who many collectors are not convinced of yet.
And now we can all help out to continue to look for the origin of the catalogue, because that is fun!
I think the issue is that it feels like this pony is getting more scrutiny than others. For example, it's been rejected for the nirvana gallery pending proof it's real, yet other ponies that could be disputed are included like white windy who many collectors are not convinced of yet.
That's interesting, I didn't know ember's pony had been rejected for the nirvana gallery.
I'm not interested in trying to prove Sundance doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned, I haven't seen her, and I don't comment on things I haven't seen. I am just fed up with the forced assumption she belongs in the UK line.