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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Mana Minori on August 06, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
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There are some who don't seems to like g4 baby Star Dreams due to her lack of a symbol, but there was another baby in g1, Ember, who was made without a symbol during each time she was released. I understand that given the fact that Ember was one of the first baby ponies, that not having a symbol was ok at the time, and perhaps not so for g4 babies, but I personally think having a lack of symbol makes Star Dreams just as special as Ember.
What do you guys think the reasoning could be for the symbol-less ponies? A special or rare pony breed that is unable to get symbols, even into adulthood? A genetic anomaly? A pony hybrid? After all, we never saw baby Ember's mirror mother, nor do we learn of g4 Star Dream's parents, like we do the CMC or other g4 foals/ fillies (yes, even Scootaloo, since the chapter books confirms her parents).
I also find it rather interesting that Star Dreams's mane colors is a combination of all three Ember releases colors- Pink, Blue (Aqua), and Lavender.
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The Ember ponies were released as a special mail order, and then released with a symbol?
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I'm not sure why Ember didn't have a symbol, since I don't know very much about G1, but Star Dreams makes perfect sense. In the G4 cartoon, ponies aren't born with cutie marks, they earn them later in life. Since she's just a foal, she hasn't earned her cutie mark yet.
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I'm not sure why Ember didn't have a symbol, since I don't know very much about G1, but Star Dreams makes perfect sense. In the G4 cartoon, ponies aren't born with cutie marks, they earn them later in life. Since she's just a foal, she hasn't earned her cutie mark yet.
it seems like it could be the same for Ember, too. Since she didn't have a smbol befor re, and suddenly had one at the time of "Ember's Dream" audio drama, possibly for her prophetic dream and trying to save the Rainbow ponies, but later could have rewarded with a symbol from the angel pony under the magic of the pink moon. That would be the closest explanation I could think of.
Post Merge: August 07, 2018, 01:00:29 AM
The Ember ponies were released as a special mail order, and then released with a symbol?
see above.
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well, Star Dreams lacking a symbol makes sense, since the G4 ~lore~ is that they have to earn them, right?
As for Ember, who knows what Hasbro's logic was there. I just chalk it up to a case of "early installment weirdness", since she was the first baby pony and all. Although there is that UK Activity Club baby that's symbolless, too, and she was released much later.. but I think the idea with her was that her owner drew a symbol on themselves, maybe??
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I also feel like Ember was sort of the “experimental” baby pony since she was the first one. I don’t think Hasbro really knew what direction they wanted to go in with babies ponies yet so that’s why we have 4 Embers. I think there’s a mail order pamphlet that calls Ember “My Beautiful Baby Pony” before Hasbro decided her name was Ember.
Ponyfan
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I wonder if they originally planned for her to have a symbol but then ran out of time? Or maybe it was intentional and they just felt she didn't 'need' one. Especially since the brochure for Ember doesn't even have a picture of her:
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Incidentally, Ember was the inspiration for Apple Bloom . . . Not in terms of color, but in terms of not having a symbol (to start out with). I think it's nice that it came full circle.
Now if we're talking about imagined "lore" reasons why Ember doesn't have a symbol, there's no "in universe explanation" but my personal headcanon is that baby ponies are either born symbol-less (like G4) or looking like clones of their parents (Baby Glory, etc). But fortunately the ones who look like clones aren't stuck looking like that forever; when they reach a certain age their symbol fades away, they develop their own coat color, and then they gain a new symbol.
It's interesting how little Hasbro actually paid attention to symbols in G1, aside from the Magic Message ponies "touching their rumps" (that phrasing, lol) to summon birds or whatever. BUT I do think that the scene with Ember and Twilight in RaMC was intended to imply that Ember would someday gain a symbol of her own. They never say it outright, but to me Twilight's comment about "You'll grow up to be your own special little pony" implies that.
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Edit (LOL): Lady Moondancer and I were apparently posting at the same time and thinking about the same thing. Great Minds think alike.
Baby Ember was the original 'first' baby pony ever released but she was also the first pony introduced in the mail order program.
I don't remember exactly but I believe the pamphlets in package first show up in 1983.
This means baby Ember would pre-date the TV special but I don't even think she was originally called Baby Ember at first, I believe some of the very first pamphlet I remember seeing for the mail order baby called her: 'My Beautiful Baby Pony' and you could get her in 3 different colors:
Blue (This is rarely ever mistaken for Aqua...it's blue), Lavender (which sometimes looked more like faded pink) and Pink.
I believe she was like, 5 horseshoe points and $1something for shipping. Then there are some pamphlets that call her Baby Ember so I guess Hasbro decided to give her a name. So originally Hasbro didn't even give her a name, let alone a symbol/cutiemark.
On a side note: I ordered the blue one.
These 3 versions were only offered through the mail order system.
The later, a store version that was sold, this version of Ember had a lavender body with lavender hair and a white star on her flank. She was sold with a cassette tape, Embers Dream. Again, the hair is lavender but the body is still that weird not quite lavender color.
Baby Ember seems to predate the TV special, even though she's featured in it. So in terms of the TV programs and who and why they don't have symbols/cutie marks. I don't know if I can qualify why as a toy she didn't have anything. As a toy it's the very first test of the mail order program and I'm sort of imagining they're testing the waters to see how this program would go and if it would work.
I don't know that they had in mind some elaborate born with it or not with the toy line. I'm sure some thinking when into it as they do show that in the TV special there is discussion between Baby Ember and Twilight on what she would be when she grew up. But they were not discussing her 'symbol/cutie mark'. Baby Ember was asking very innocent things, like wanting wings - which clearly has nothing to do with asking about her 'symbol' or if she'd have magic, but there seems to not be any mention of...HAY Twilight what will my cutie mark be.
The aspect of G1 is a little different in the toy line, we see newborn babies already have symbols.
If I'm going to try to apply the toy logic to the TV show then, Apparently G1 babies are more advanced than G4 (LOL).
I don't know that we can fully translate the TV show to the toyline, at least not in G1.
As I've said many times before, during G1 the cartoon was an accessory. You didn't have to have the cartoon to love the ponies. It's apparently the exact opposit for a lot of people into FIM, where they come by way of the cartoon exclusively, whereas in G1 a lot of us were into the toy and the TV show is there, but we don't automatically follow it like a religion.
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Well, while the in-universe explanation of baby ponies is having a Mirror Mother (which I only learned of recently and seems...silly xD ), there are still male/Mountain Boy/Big Brother ponies that have no explanation as to how they came into existence based on the canon that I am most familiar with. It seems that mating has the possibility of happening, so perhaps she is a natural-born? We have the family sets, but they have compatible symbols and are of the TaF variety, so perhaps Ember is the offspring between parents that have incompatible symbols that are pure, plain ponies?
I don't see why fantasy genetics couldn't have played a part considering we have Rainbow Ponies, Twinkle Eye, Flutters, etc etc that may have evolved over time into their own breeds from the basic (My Pretty) Pony.
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Don't forget the pregnant Mommy Pony and her two babies, Torpedo and Bombs Away.
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G1 was quite diverse in terms of pony reproduction! And one point Baby Lucky draws a picture of baby ponies and they pop off the page and become Newborn Twins. Well . . . okay then!
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Waiting for the reveal that in Ponyland, symbols are tattoos that a pony decides upon when they reach the age of 13 pony years. :P
I think both are really cute!
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I don't particularly care much for the symbol-less Baby Embers either. But she did at some point get a star symbol. The Club Baby Pony is just eh.
The sea ponies are the only ones that mostly had no symbols. My guess is, they weren't sure where they could put them.
But Ember and Club Pony were the exceptions not the rules.
She was the first baby pony, so perhaps Hasbro hadn't thought that far ahead.
Lore wise, I head canon that Ember is part Bright Valley and part Dream Valley pony. The Bright Valley group was more horselike in anatomy. Had mostly natural colors with a few outliers, and the colorful ones were hybrids, who had more Dream Valleyish anatomy, and their colorful coats were muted.
Most baby ponies don't have mirror mothers. Just a few sets and they aren't all completely identical to their mothers. Some have lighter hair, some are different species.
Even the Loving Families have differences between each member and the foals have mixed traits of both.
Identical or very similar families are a common toy practice even today. Especially among animal toys. Most baby ponies were likely meant to be paired with whoever you wanted. Which is pretty cool.
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Sometimes I wish Hasbro had given us more info about Ember. I take Ember and Twilight's conversation as when Ember gets older/bigger she'll find out what she can do that most other ponies can't. G1 lore seems to imply that each pony has a unique ability (although it can be shared by ponies of the same family) that other ponies can't do. Bowtie can jump farther than most other ponies, Moondancer and Baby Moondancer can glow in the dark, Blossom grows prettier flowers than any of the other ponies, Twilight can wink in and out and carry objects while doing so etc..
I think by the time we Hasbro had finalized the first set of baby ponies they decided to just go with most babies are born/come out of the mirror with symbols except for a few.
I have to admit Ember's Dream Ember is soft of confusing to me. Is she supposed to be the same Ember as Mail Order Ember as far as G1 lore/canon goes or is she separate baby pony that is also named Ember.
"Hi, My name is Ember and this is my friend. Her name is also Ember and that is her friend. Her name is Ember too." :lol:
Ponyfan
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I have to admit Ember's Dream Ember is soft of confusing to me. Is she supposed to be the same Ember as Mail Order Ember as far as G1 lore/canon goes or is she separate baby pony that is also named Ember.
Ponyfan
I think it's never said that they are the same character. Logically they would be different as they have different appearances and different lore surrounding them?
To me this means that Ember didn't earn a symbol since she is four different characters. Sometimes I think of her as two different characters as well. It's a bit complicated to make sense of. (Plus if she earned a symbol you would also have to explained why she changed colors, right?)
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A lot of the nebulousness comes back to this:
As I've said many times before, during G1 the cartoon was an accessory. You didn't have to have the cartoon to love the ponies.
The ponies sold without concrete lore, so Hasbro just never bothered with it. (A big difference from G1 Transformers, where Hasbro literally went to Marvel comics to get them to write lore for them. I do wonder what Marvel would have come up with if Hasbro had done the same for G1 MLP!)
The mirror clone story wasn't 'from' Hasbro, it was from a UK comic writer who decided to explain why there were identical babies running around their comic when there were zero boy ponies. (The Big Brothers etc not having been released yet.)
The nice thing about not having a solid answer, though, is that everyone can make up their own explanation. :)
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As I've said many times before, during G1 the cartoon was an accessory. You didn't have to have the cartoon to love the ponies.
This.
Ponies were all about imagination to me as a kid. I hated the cartoon because I already came up with my characters and stories. Backcards also meant nothing to me...
If I had ember as a kid I would of came up with my own reason behind having no symbol.
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Somewhere I have the Ember's Dream cassette. I don't know if it answers any of your questions or creates more LOL
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The real question is how many times can Hasrro use that same baby pose? lol.
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I think she has no symbol so you can use your imagination for whatever symbol you want on her... :P
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Question, did people always take the Twilight/Ember convo in RaMC as a "you'll earn your symbol one day" sort of thing, or did that interpretation only come in after G4? I'm curious!
Don't forget the pregnant Mommy Pony and her two babies, Torpedo and Bombs Away.
:biggrin:
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I didn't take it as "you'll earn your symbol" or the symbol being related to Ember's talents, but I interpreted it as something that would come with time, like Ember growing into being 'her own special little pony.'
Just my opinion. I think there are lots of ways to interpret the scene.
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Somewhere I have the Ember's Dream cassette. I don't know if it answers any of your questions or creates more LOL
it definitely creates more, such as who was the angel pony, why the pink moon is never mentioned again, what kind of magic it possesses, if its magic or the angel's magic (or both combined at the time) had an effect on ember, giving her her star symbol at the end of the story, though it's never mentioned.....
so many questions.
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As I've said many times before, during G1 the cartoon was an accessory. You didn't have to have the cartoon to love the ponies.
This.
Ponies were all about imagination to me as a kid. I hated the cartoon because I already came up with my characters and stories. Backcards also meant nothing to me...
If I had ember as a kid I would of came up with my own reason behind having no symbol.
*Imagines little bandit scoffing loudly at the back card, and having the Dread Queen Posey team up with Miss Piggy and Megatron as space pirates.
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If yall want to hear something weird, my cousin and I listened to the Embers dream tape so many times, like most cassette tapes back then...it...died. Literally broke the ribbon.
The weird part, we had a funeral for the tape and dug a hole in my cousins back yard and buried the tap.
I've often wondered if I go back to that house and dig around the tree, if I'd find it...but sadly the house is no longer in the family so I can't exactly go digging around someone's back yard (haha), especially to say I'm looking for an old cassette tape.
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Question, did people always take the Twilight/Ember convo in RaMC as a "you'll earn your symbol one day" sort of thing, or did that interpretation only come in after G4? I'm curious!
I never imagined baby ember earning a symbol back then, and I'm pretty sure I owned baby Ember before I ever saw the TV special. I didn't even see the special on TV, I think the first time I ever saw it was because I rented it at a video rental store :p
As I said in a previous post, I ordered one of the babies, and it was the blue one.
My Baby Ember was the class clown and said silly things and was a jokester. And a boy.
I don't remember him ever needing a symbol or even thinking he'd get one one day. He was who he was without a symbol so I don't remember ever thinking he was weird or different because he didn't have a symbol, he just didn't have one, etc.
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As I've said many times before, during G1 the cartoon was an accessory. You didn't have to have the cartoon to love the ponies.
This.
Ponies were all about imagination to me as a kid. I hated the cartoon because I already came up with my characters and stories. Backcards also meant nothing to me...
If I had ember as a kid I would of came up with my own reason behind having no symbol.
*Imagines little bandit scoffing loudly at the back card, and having the Dread Queen Posey team up with Miss Piggy and Megatron as space pirates.
Haha!!
I think we were a little bit more boring with our ponies ^_^;
We played house. We took turns picking out our families.. always a fight on who was the dad (4speed and chief).. SHS ponies were always the cute young ladies.. uh, normal G1s with babies were always frumpy old moms... Mimic was the snotty jerk that no one liked.........
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I never really thought about the symbol of ponies and how they got them - they just had them. It was, like the ponies themselves, magic! I didn’t mind that G1 never had any logical explanation for that. I really loved the G1 movies and the MLP episodes as a kid. But the ponies there were not the SAME ponies I played with at home. My ponies often had different personalities, hobbies and magic than those in the movies. Of course, it was fun when their personalities did overlap :P
I like the FiM show. I think it is funny and entertaining, with (most of the time) a very good morale. However, one of the things I dislike about G4 is that all the characters are already so developed. It’s not (for me) the same room for interpretation and imagination.
So, that is what Ember is to me. A possibility to use my own imagination (and read all of your thoughts and imaginative ideas!).
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I have to admit Ember's Dream Ember is soft of confusing to me. Is she supposed to be the same Ember as Mail Order Ember as far as G1 lore/canon goes or is she separate baby pony that is also named Ember.
Ponyfan
I think it's never said that they are the same character. Logically they would be different as they have different appearances and different lore surrounding them?
To me this means that Ember didn't earn a symbol since she is four different characters. Sometimes I think of her as two different characters as well. It's a bit complicated to make sense of. (Plus if she earned a symbol you would also have to explained why she changed colors, right?)
I think of them as separate characters too but find it kind of odd that Hasbro had 4 ponies named Ember so close together. :lol: I can see the Mail Order Embers as triplets though.
That being sad, I'm pretty sure Hasbro didn't think about lore consistency back during the G1 era or we would have seen Moondancer and Baby Moondancer glwoing in the dark in the animated speicals or that kids would notice that "Ember's Dream" Ember had the same name as Mail Order Ember.
I wonder how Hasbro decided to include Ember in RAMC? Was she still available as a Mail Order when the speical aired? I know the storyline says that she was too little to transform in to a dragon to pull Tirac's chariot but did Hasbro have a reason other than that for including her in the speical?
Ponyfan
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I always made my Ember's siblings and Ember was just their last name. Each had their own personalities and stuff. Coincidentally, my blue ember was a clown BUT that was because I got her in the clown pony wear...also she was not a boy but she was a tomboy ;) Also she had a boyfriend; Baby Brother Sweet Celebrations. (Whom pink ember was jealous of her for.) My lavender ember was my favorite since TV show accuracy and everything. She was the most level headed of all the embers. I did not like pink ember and only got her to complete the set, so I just made her annoying because why not? And lastly, Ember's Dream ember was the smartest and oldest of the siblings (oh yeah, the previous ember's were triplets) and tended to be a bit of a know-it-all. She was also very shy and nerdy and had a crush on Baby Lucky (which, to clarify, was the same age as her).
Recently, I thought of my own interpretation of making all the ember's into one ember. Basically ember's special talent was to change colors. Once she met the rainbow ponies, they were impressed with her color changing abilities and she led them to Dream Castle. Once she did so, she earned her symbol. A star since stars can be a couple different colors. They're also space-y which fits with the rainbow pony's theme...and ember really would be a rainbow pony!
I think of her name with fire, like the fire's embers I guess if that makes sense. Fires can be an array of different colors (like purple, green, blue...obviously red/orange) so yeah. But that's just my headcannon. I've never actually read/listened to Ember's dream so I have no idea what happens other than it involves rainbow ponies :P
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I wonder how Hasbro decided to include Ember in RAMC? Was she still available as a Mail Order when the speical aired? I know the storyline says that she was too little to transform in to a dragon to pull Tirac's chariot but did Hasbro have a reason other than that for including her in the speical?
Ponyfan
I'm pretty sure I remember Ember being originally advertised with no name. I think at some point pamphlets showed the name Baby Ember but I seem to remember no name.
I don't remember exactly when I would have ordered mine, if it was before name or after. It was horseshoe points and like a $1something for shipping. I originally started out with 2 ponies so it wouldn't have taken me long to get to 5 horseshoe points and I would have more than likely order as soon as I could order.
Usually the mail orders were sold for a certain amount of time, most pamphlets had a end date, but I think they'd more than likely sell them till they ran out. A sort of while supplies last. But if you look at most MLP pamphlets there was an end date but it was usually sometime way ahead like a year later or whatever.
Since originally Ember had no name and was available in 3 different colors, I just think it was to give options on color but also see how many people were interested in the mail order program. It's possible when they saw it was going to be successful that they named her, or it could have even been when they saw the product was going to do well that the development of the cartoon meant they'd want to include Ember in the storyline.
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See, Ember was the first baby...and it made sense that maybe ponies developed their symbols later. But then we got all the teeny tiny and newborn ponies with symbols so it kinda ruined the assumption. At least with the mom-alike babies (like Firefly, Cotton Candy, etc) you could pretend that it was just the older pony as a little kid if you wanted to.
But she was definitely no name at first, or the two extremely pedantic children I knew who had her when she came out would have brought it up. One named her baby Bluebelle. The other just called her Beautiful.
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But she was definitely no name at first, or the two extremely pedantic children I knew who had her when she came out would have brought it up. One named her baby Bluebelle. The other just called her Beautiful.
Well, now I'm sorta thinking that with 3 babies to choose from and no name, it offered children the opportunity to name the baby whatever they wanted, but also any pony could be the parent. So the mindset may have been originally more imaginative play with the baby pony. So children could name them but also create families depending on whichever adult pony they had.
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A lot of the nebulousness comes back to this:
As I've said many times before, during G1 the cartoon was an accessory. You didn't have to have the cartoon to love the ponies.
The ponies sold without concrete lore, so Hasbro just never bothered with it. (A big difference from G1 Transformers, where Hasbro literally went to Marvel comics to get them to write lore for them. I do wonder what Marvel would have come up with if Hasbro had done the same for G1 MLP!)
The mirror clone story wasn't 'from' Hasbro, it was from a UK comic writer who decided to explain why there were identical babies running around their comic when there were zero boy ponies. (The Big Brothers etc not having been released yet.)
The nice thing about not having a solid answer, though, is that everyone can make up their own explanation. :)
This^ is what I love about G1 and earlier gens.
Don't get me wrong. I like G4, collect it and even watch all the episodes. But I sometimes really get tired of "show first" attitude prevalent among FiM fans. As a child and even as an adult, I don't need for there to be an extensive mythology that everyone must adhere to.
I just want pretty ponies.
P.S. I'll add that both my sister and I had the lavender Ember. My mom ordered them before I think either of us even knew what the mail order program was. To be honest, I don't remember really what I thought about her being without a symbol. But I wasn't inclined towards creating elaborate characters or back stories. As I said, I just want pretty ponies.
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As a kid, I did take Twilight’s comments to mean that baby Ember would possibly get a symbol. Maybe even wings! But what happened when she grew up was less important to me than her baby portrayal. I didn’t really want her to grow up. So, I didn’t spend a lot of time thinking about it.
For what it’s worth, I love her without a symbol. I think it makes her adorable.
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Question, did people always take the Twilight/Ember convo in RaMC as a "you'll earn your symbol one day" sort of thing, or did that interpretation only come in after G4? I'm curious!
Don't forget the pregnant Mommy Pony and her two babies, Torpedo and Bombs Away.
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Since there was no mention of symbol earning, I doubt any kid thought that. It was more like you'll be whatever you wanna be when you grow up. The idea of her earning her symbol is strictly a G4 interpretation.
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Question, did people always take the Twilight/Ember convo in RaMC as a "you'll earn your symbol one day" sort of thing, or did that interpretation only come in after G4? I'm curious!
Don't forget the pregnant Mommy Pony and her two babies, Torpedo and Bombs Away.
:biggrin:
Since there was no mention of symbol earning, I doubt any kid thought that. It was more like you'll be whatever you wanna be when you grow up. The idea of her earning her symbol is strictly a G4 interpretation.
That's how I've always read that scene, but a lot of people keep bringing it up so I was curious how everyone else read it prior to G4, lol.
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I think the Twilight and Ember scene is basically to establish that Ember needs the full grown grown ponies to look after her (she did try to jump off the cliff and try to fly a moment before) and to contrast how peaceful the the ponies lives seem to be before Scorpan anc the Stratadons attack.
Ponyfan
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Really late to this thread...but I don't remember ever thinking about what Ember would grow into or anything about a symbol. I kind of saw her as a not real little pony because to me in the animation she didn't look real. I associated her more with characters like Knight Shade - just in the animation, not actually real.
We did have Ember in the UK but only the MO ones. Interesting what Uni said because I think that she was offered here without the name Ember. I'd need to check with people who know more than me about this and who have the insert, but I have this feeling. So Ember is a kind of fluid identity and may just have been added to the MO one after Ember's Dream? Dunno.
The club baby was designed to be adopted by the club member, there was a whole adoption certificate, tips in the club booklet about how to take care of the baby, things to make for her...so I really am attached to her :) I begged and begged to do the club that year and it was the only year I did where there was a baby pony involved. It was a cute idea anyway, but she had no canon identity so it's not quite like Ember.
The mirror mother thing is just the comic, like LM said, and it's literally only one story in the first comic. It's not a canon exactly. The original newborn twins were brought to life from drawings by Baby Lucky. And the majority of ponies in the comic moved to ponyland after being rescued or for unknown reasons. In the case of the MB ponies, they lived quietly on Misty Mountain with the wizard till Baby Lucky found them. The Big Brothers came to ponyland, however.
I think it's what was said above - there's a lot of different possible canons for G1, meaning there isn't one overall one. But it's fine to have your own fan head canons about any of these things. I mean, there's no wrong answer with that. Just I think sometimes the comic stuff and the animation get intermixed as though they belong to the same context and they don't. The comics were in the UK where the TV show was only really available on some VHS - and the animation was big in the US where it aired but there were no comics. So both were different and independent attempts to tell stories about the ponies to make kids buy them.
I think the comics responded more to the backcard versions in general but I am not certain. As a kid I loved the comics but I never ever played stories from them.
@LM - Torpedo and Bombs Away! Best names ever :D
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Really late to this thread...but I don't remember ever thinking about what Ember would grow into or anything about a symbol. I kind of saw her as a not real little pony because to me in the animation she didn't look real. I associated her more with characters like Knight Shade - just in the animation, not actually real.
We did have Ember in the UK but only the MO ones. Interesting what Uni said because I think that she was offered here without the name Ember. I'd need to check with people who know more than me about this and who have the insert, but I have this feeling. So Ember is a kind of fluid identity and may just have been added to the MO one after Ember's Dream? Dunno.
The club baby was designed to be adopted by the club member, there was a whole adoption certificate, tips in the club booklet about how to take care of the baby, things to make for her...so I really am attached to her :) I begged and begged to do the club that year and it was the only year I did where there was a baby pony involved. It was a cute idea anyway, but she had no canon identity so it's not quite like Ember.
The mirror mother thing is just the comic, like LM said, and it's literally only one story in the first comic. It's not a canon exactly. The original newborn twins were brought to life from drawings by Baby Lucky. And the majority of ponies in the comic moved to ponyland after being rescued or for unknown reasons. In the case of the MB ponies, they lived quietly on Misty Mountain with the wizard till Baby Lucky found them. The Big Brothers came to ponyland, however.
I think it's what was said above - there's a lot of different possible canons for G1, meaning there isn't one overall one. But it's fine to have your own fan head canons about any of these things. I mean, there's no wrong answer with that. Just I think sometimes the comic stuff and the animation get intermixed as though they belong to the same context and they don't. The comics were in the UK where the TV show was only really available on some VHS - and the animation was big in the US where it aired but there were no comics. So both were different and independent attempts to tell stories about the ponies to make kids buy them.
I think the comics responded more to the backcard versions in general but I am not certain. As a kid I loved the comics but I never ever played stories from them.
@LM - Torpedo and Bombs Away! Best names ever :D
Mommy Payload. :P
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Don't forget the pregnant Mommy Pony and her two babies, Torpedo and Bombs Away.
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G1 was quite diverse in terms of pony reproduction! And one point Baby Lucky draws a picture of baby ponies and they pop off the page and become Newborn Twins. Well . . . okay then!
agreed on both these names. bombs away and torpedo. LOL. I do like ember a little more as for the "big ponies looking after her." I would think that was the thing back then. What confused me is the play and care ponies. when they made mini versions of the big ones because that was "supposed to be them" when they were little. I do like the concept they are adorable but it makes no sense. Also dont forget the magic mirror that's how ponyland was created. I guess ponyland is just very whimsical and too wild for me. "we are all mad here."
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I don't think that the babies of excisting adult ponies where supposed to be "them when they were young." I think Hasbro's idea was that the babies were the offspring of the adults in question. This is supported by the "Mommy and baby" clothing sets. The reason the babies looked just like the adult ponies is because of the whole "the child looks just like the parent" concept that is used in any number of toys and media.
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The babies are not suppose to be them at all. It is their babies. Yes, it is supported by ponywear, but it is also plainly stated in the cartoons. The babies are all there- living in the Lullaby Nursery if I remember correctly? Someone else might have a better memory on that, I haven’t seen the episodes in a long long while.
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Also reiterating that therr seems to be much confusion about the mirror. It appears a lot but only in the comics in the UK and baby ponies only come from it in one story. It didn't create ponyland and isn't a consistent source for most babh ponies. Mostly it is Majesty 's way of watching over her ponies.