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Title: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Marlin on December 21, 2017, 01:58:12 PM
I'm surprised not to see a thread here already? Have I missed it?

Who's seen it? We saw it the other night and I'd be interested to hear what others think?

I think comments in spoiler tabs might be prudent not to ruin for others who might not have seen it?

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I am wading in dangerous waters here... but I was quite disappointed  :huh: 
Since watching it I've been reading reviews have found I'm not the only one walking away shaking their head. It certainly seems a very divisive film!
I thought there were some great visuals and a couple of scenes that were terrific - the rebel ship hyper-driving into the first order's ship - the one stand out scene of the entire movie for me - just WOW!  But.... everything else...
I really felt it was waaaaay over the top CGI in places, like bad on the prequels level (I'm not a fan of those films) and the amount of unnecessary creatures (I think the porgs were the least of this movie's problems - don't get me started on the sea cow thing) were just ridiculous. The whole casino scene... ugh! Not the mention the humour...
What the heck was the film trying to do? From the first two minutes when Poe was playing the "I'm on hold" prank I was really hoping that wasn't setting the tone for the film and oh my... it did :(  The original three Star Wars films had silly humour in them - but that was part of the charm, and not rampant throughout. I felt this new film just way overdid it - it was too frequent; too smart ass.... I feel it was veering wildly away from true star wars, and coming off like any other action filled, rely on the special effects, jump the shark modern sci fi with non-stop chuckles to keep the audience entertained. And perhaps that's what is was - just entertainment. How else to explain the ninja weapon weilding red guards after snork or snope or whatever he was called got nailed? And Fasma... really? What a stupid character. About as bad as Hux.
Come on... this is Star Wars. I'm not a die hard fan, but I cherish the first three films and I think there is a certain level in its universe that sets it apart, which still translates really well with a modern audience despite its age. Was this new film trying to appeal to a more modern audience with different expectations? The Force Awakens was a bit silly in places, but I had lots of fun watching it on first viewing and it managed to maintain the Star Wars spirit. In this one, many of the characters for me felt largely petulant and childish. Even BB8 annoyed me. Kylo was a slight improvement in this film - I liked the internal conflict we saw in this segment of the series and it will be interesting to see where it leads, but at the moment I'm just anticipating perhaps a last minute redemption a bit like Vadar in Return of the Jedi.
Oh boy.... what a rant. So, I'm clearly in the critical camp, perhaps a bit too old school?

I'm sure there are those here who loved it - please tell us why, and feel free to theorise about where the finale is headed :)

And in the interests of friendly, healthy discussion, everyone keep your lightsabers down!  :lol:

 

Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Gator on December 21, 2017, 05:14:29 PM
I tried to go last Saturday morning.  Theater was too crowded, my anxiety caused me to leave and go home.  But I'm trying again this weekend, so I'll check back in on this thread later.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 21, 2017, 05:19:47 PM
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I saw it and . . . it didn't really feel like a Star Wars movie to me.  I agree that the first "I'm on hold" joke seemed really out of place.

Also, TOO MANY SUBPLOTS!   IMO they should have cut out the whole "search the casino for a hacker" scene.  Just have them use someone from the rebel base or something.

I liked Rey on the island trying to convince Luke; that was the part that felt the most "Star Wars" to me.  But I didn't like the parts with Rey and Kylo Ren "brain chatting."

I also felt there wasn't nearly enough build up to S . . . Snopes(?) death.  His guards felt artificial with their all-different weapons.

I did like the fallout over the "I don't need to listen to no authority" attitude of Poe.  When he first went off on his own I was kind of rolling my eyes, but then it turned out that, whoa, an ADMIRAL does have more strategic knowledge than a random pilot and, whoa, doesn't tell her plans to every random person on the bridge.

I still feel it was a better movie than the prequels, yet at the same time I think the prequels did feel more "Star Wars."
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Al-1701 on December 21, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
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I was disappointed as well.  I think they were trying way too hard to be clever with the writing.  There were so many twists, you came to expect them after a time.  And so many of the twists were stupid and damaged the previous film.  After all the allusions of Rey's connection with Luke, she's just the child of a couple of drunks who happens to be Force sensitive.  What?  Super Leia was also ridiculous.

And the ending was just stupid.  Luke is dead meaning all the characters who speak English from the original films are going to be gone.  The Resistance fits inside of the Millennium Falcon and deprived of all their leadership and scientists are dead.  I don't care if they've inspired some random kids.  Unless they're going steal a star destroyer for them, the Resistance is irrelevant now.

Speaking of the Resistance, the New Republic had been in power for more than 30 years, a decade longer than the Empire.  Yet, they have bombers inferior to the B-Wing, Y-Wing, and even the TIE Bomber.  What?  Their transports are unshielded and unarmed even though the Rebellion had U-Wings 40 forty years ago.  What?  How can you be less well equipped when you have the backing of the New Republic than the Rebellion did three decades earlier?  I don't care if the bulk of your fleet was blown up in the last movie, your forward base of operations should have the best at your disposal.  You deserved to get your collective butts kicked.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: ladybastilla on December 21, 2017, 07:30:48 PM
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I have not been to see it myself, but I am not adverse to spoilers and it sounds like some interesting stuff happens between Kylo and Rey. I'm all about getting those two together, so I am intrigued. I am curious to see how I will feel about what they did with Luke. From what I researched, Mark Hamill was kinda in shock when he read the script. Porgs also look super cute and I can't wait to see them.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Beldarna on December 21, 2017, 11:10:33 PM
No. No, no, no, no! Did NOT like!

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While the whole theatre sat there laughing at the jokes I just facepalmed and asked myself if I had walked into a Marvel movie. It is so obvious Disney owns them both now, the same type of humour.

They took some really interesting, intriguing characters from the Force Awakens and made fools and idiots of them which made me so sad. Phasma being one of them.

Poe is in lack of better words a foot soldier. They follow orders and are told the plans if they need to know. Yet he thinks he knows better than an Admiral who has been doing this as long as Leia and create a mutiny? And not only does his plan fail, his friends mission fails and it's all in vain and I sat there, thinking what did this totally unecessary side plot bring to the story? Other than the boy with the broom in the end? I was so filled with wtf I can't even...

Also, the ending. I sat there, watched a scene and thought it was the end.. And it wasn't. But the next one!!... wasn't either. But the next?! No. I was so over the movie when the end credits finally came..

There were some things I liked, Rey at the island and her and Kylo in the throne room. But it was not enough to level up the rest.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: brightberry on December 22, 2017, 11:08:22 AM
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I actually kind of liked it just on certain scenes alone that looked like Star Wars... such as Luke and the final fight scene.   I loved the visual.   I also enjoyed the Rebel admiral's plan.  It was clever.

But, as my sister said... "It was Poe vs the Rebellion.  Worst team member ever."  He disobeyed orders, he mutinied, he got most of the rebellion killed and yet, Leia says "Follow him"?  Even Han was more respectful.  Poe needs to be in the brig and stay there just for the lives he threw away needlessly.  Soldiers aren't toys.

And the whole gambler's planet thing... so unneeded.  Yes, I did like the race animals.  I feel all the unnecessary stuff was in there just so Poe and Finn could have action scenes.  Why?

And... Rey's actions with Kylo were really weird.  He just killed her friend and his father.  She has no real connection to him.  And yet... she wants to save him. 
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 22, 2017, 03:06:35 PM
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A couple things I did like:

I expected to be annoyed by the porgs, but I wasn't.  They were funny and not intrusive to the movie.  Obviously just there to sell toys, but better than ewoks, ha ha.

I really liked the scene with Yoda's ghost visiting Luke and setting the tree on fire.

I also liked Luke saying that it was conceited to think that Jedi's 'owned' the idea of the Force . . . The Jedi religion was based around the Force, but the Force exists whether the Jedi do or not.

ALSO, and this was a big one, they moved the idea of the Force back to a holistic, naturalistic idea rather than the prequels idea that it was a thing "measured by midiclorians in the blood", which I HATED.

However, I agree that pretty much all the First Order guys come across as buffoons.  Phasma falling to her doom(?) (we didn't see a body so probably not) was just pointless and cringey.  Why even include her if that's all she's going to do?  Really frustrating because I actually liked her in The Force Awakens.

In fact 'frustrated' is how this movie made me feel in general.  I really enjoyed The Force Awakens, and I feel like they drove the story straight into a pit with its sequel.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Kiwi on December 23, 2017, 10:28:02 AM
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I enjoyed it for it's entertainment value as a movie.

Hubby, who is a major Star Wars fan, felt the B-team story didn't need to be included, or the casino scene. But otherwise enjoyed the main story.

I absolutely LOVED bad-a** BB-8 on the walker. :D



Oh! The Porgs were not part of the original movie. The Skellig Islands they filmed on is are a Puffin nature reserve. They couldn't edit out the 1000s of Puffins, so they just gave them a little digital makeover.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Aflame on December 23, 2017, 11:07:45 AM
well I like Star Trek better but I liked it a lot ,I want kylo rens light sabre !! heck I want kylo :D (I think its the scar)  but I'm a sucker for a bad boy :D
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Mkia on December 23, 2017, 09:55:18 PM
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I enjoyed it for it's entertainment value as a movie.

Hubby, who is a major Star Wars fan, felt the B-team story didn't need to be included, or the casino scene. But otherwise enjoyed the main story.

I absolutely LOVED bad-a** BB-8 on the walker. :D



Oh! The Porgs were not part of the original movie. The Skellig Islands they filmed on is are a Puffin nature reserve. They couldn't edit out the 1000s of Puffins, so they just gave them a little digital makeover.

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Super interesting about the Porgs! Personally I thought the Porgs were adorable.

As for the movie, I found it entertaining. I agree the casino sub-plot wasn't needed at all. But I did like the Kylo and Ren scenes.

Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: kiwimlp on December 26, 2017, 10:58:23 PM
Yay, I have finally seen the movie so I can venture into this thread.

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I actually enjoyed the movie.  I was entertained and engaged throughout and it had a good SW feel for me.  Like LadyMoondance, I expected to dislike the Porgs but they weren't overdone and added a few smiles to dark scenes. Interesting that they were penguins that needed disguise!  Thanks Kiwi, I had not heard that (probably because I have been avoiding spoilers at all costs, lol).

I enjoyed the interaction between Rey and Ren.  It's weird they have such a strong connection but I am willing to roll with it because it was well played out and gave a bit more insight into each character (maybe they are both just ultra powerful with the force?).  My brother guessed right that Rey's parents would turn out to be nobodies too!  I didn't expect Ren to kill Snoke!  That was a bit of a shock, especially because we know so little about him. I expected him to be around until the next film.  Good to see Ren stepping up to be the big bad guy, even if he is clearly still conflicted. I really liked that he couldn't kill his mother.

I didn't like the way they used Poe this time.  He was way too gung-ho after being such an asset in TFA. The thing I hated most though was when Rose crashed into Fin's ship to supposedly save him from dying.  I actually held up my hands in the theatre and went WTF?  She could just as easily have killed him in the process, as well as putting the lives of everyone he was trying to save back in danger!  Duh. 

I have heard people saying that Luke was out of character.  Imo he was always rather negative and questioning of the force so I didn't think so.  He also went down the same route as Anakin, attempting to kill Ben to save those that he loves (Anakin mistakenly turned to the dark side to save Padme).  I felt sorry for Luke that things went so wrong in training Ben, and that it has effected his relationship with Leia so much.  I also felt for Kylo (yes, I have now called him by three different names, lol!).  I think he wants to be good but he certainly has a lot of anger in him.  If Rey can not turn him to the light side then I don't think anybody will.

It was really sad to see Carrie Fisher on screen for the last time.  :(  I'm glad we got to see Leia and Luke reunite on screen before she passed, and there was a nice mention of her in the screen credits at the end.   I was hoping Billy D Williams might pop up somewhere in the movie.  Hopefully the signal sent by the rebellion will reach him next time. :D

Overall I would rate this movie about 8/10.  Not as good as TFA but solid and enjoyable.

Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Galactica on December 27, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
I haven't seen it- so many people said they didn't like it... but also there are people who loved it.

I guess I'll see it eventually...
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Marlin on December 28, 2017, 03:28:03 PM
I have really enjoyed reading everyone's responses!! Thank you :) And keep 'em coming!

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The Force Awakens was on TV last night so we watched it with the kids who hadn't yet seen it. We all loved it. Makes me wonder if I need to re-watch The Last Jedi (but I certainly wouldn't pay to see it again!) to see what I missed?? But I still think I'd feel the same about it. There was some silly jokes in TFA but no where near on the level of relentless bad that bothered me intensely in TLJ. And it was just so much more solid a film/story/action. I am interested to see where the kylo/ren story goes, so I am not put off wanting to see how it all concludes, but I sure bloody hope the next film pulls its socks up for me  :P

Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: PrincessNikki on December 28, 2017, 03:43:24 PM
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I liked it very much. Of course it wasn't without it's flaws... The casino scene wasn't needed at all and I didn't like Rose's character very much either, she seemed shoehorned in which is sad because I was really looking forward to who she would be. I didn't care for the scene with Leia using the force, but I can get over that.

Now, the parts I did like, I really liked. Kylo and Rei's back-to-back battle, Luke appearing like a force ghost at the end and being really bad a**, the scene with Yoda, And I liked the scene where The Purple Haired commander(who's name escapes me) lightspeeded through the first order's ship.

I am so happy that Rei and Kylo aren't related, I think that would be a bit cliche if it turned out to be true. Adam Driver's acting was great!
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Marlin on December 28, 2017, 03:51:47 PM
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I didn't care for the scene with Leia using the force, but I can get over that.


Omg yes... some else mentioned that earlier and I'd meant to say I totally agreed! What was with THAT!?

I really liked. Kylo and Rei's back-to-back battle

I forgot to say also that among scenes that i DID like, this was one of them (apart from the red guards with their fight moves... I did not care for them). I was so ready for Kylo to run out the door with Rey... and then he didn't... which was predictable but necessary for his character. There is still room for redemption - I can see the light in you, Kylo!!!


Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: kiwimlp on December 28, 2017, 05:08:46 PM
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I loved the Kylo/Rey back to back fighting scene too.  Count me in as a Reylo shipper!
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Marlin on December 28, 2017, 05:17:39 PM
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I loved the Kylo/Rey back to back fighting scene too.  Count me in as a Reylo shipper!

LOL!!!  :lol:  Could get awkies if it turns out they are actually related! I think Kylo lied about her parents  :shifty:

Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Bewilderbeast on December 29, 2017, 11:05:08 AM
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I really enjoyed it? I loved it, I loved the characters. I related a lot to Luke in this movie, running away from everything. I loved how he kicked Crylo's butt just as a Force projection and the touching moment between him and Leia. I liked Yoda returning and being the same little green troll as ever, whacking Luke on the noggin.  :P

I loved the on hold joke, because it felt like such a Poe thing to do, and I also adore when people mock turdheads like Hux. I loved Admiral Holdo, her whole design was amazing even though I didn't agree with her strategy at all. It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.

I loved all the creatures, they were so lovely, especially the vulptexes. Fathiers are like giant hyena okapis and porgs are just fantastic.

Kylo/Rey is awful though, very much not for me, because I hate Kylo. He's a terrible human being and I hope he dies unredeemed in the next movie. I'd rather see Finn/Rey (despite preferring Finn/Poe) or Rey not having a love interest at all.

I've yet to see any love for Finn and Rose in this thread which makes me sad so... Finn's arc was great, I love how he came to embrace his "rebel scum" self and rise to the challenge, and also how he taught Phasma a lesson. I love Rose as well, she's a major cutie and just really cool. And just... BB-8 revealing himself to be an absolute badass?? Amazing!

Someone mentioned a lot of unnecessary creatures but I don't quite understand that? This is a galaxy far,
 far away where the only life forms familiar to us are humans, and the humans are still likely aliens. It would make sense for there to be lots of creatures to at least vaguely reflect alien life on tons of different planets.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 30, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
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I also hate Kylo.  He's an awful person.  Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo.  He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis.  And killed his own dad.  What a peach.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Bewilderbeast on December 30, 2017, 01:49:58 PM
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I also hate Kylo.  He's an awful person.  Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo.  He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis.  And killed his own dad.  What a peach.

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I was so afraid of saying "nazi" on here (because you never know how people will react even when it's the truth right now) but damn you RIGHT. The only time I like him is in small doses in Kylux fanart. That's literally it. And he needs to
  • keep his shirt on
  • stay away from Rey

Also like... his grandfather STOPPED being evil?? That was the whole point? Or did he conveniently forget that part?
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: HelloGoodbye on December 30, 2017, 07:09:12 PM
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Personally, I really enjoyed it!  I'm a big Star Wars fan and I thought it was a neat addition to the story.  I will say that I liked The Force Awakens better.  I was very nervous before TFA that I wouldn't like it or that it wouldn't live up to the other movies, but it totally blew me away and I went and saw it like 4 times in theaters.  I LOVED it.  So The Last Jedi wasn't on that level for me, but I totally enjoyed it.  I thought it was very exciting and visually gorgeous (that last battle with the salt!!!  So cool).  Also not gonna lie I loved the Porgs.  I want like 25 toy Porgs now because I'm obsessed lol.  I'm also probably gonna go back and see this at least once or twice more.  I feel like I usually miss some stuff the first time I watch a movie.  There were some little moments I'd love to see again, like the reunion between Luke and R2 where R2 shows the hologram of Leia asking Obi Wan for help.  I thought that bit was great and very touching. 

The only thing I really wish we had was a scene showing some remorse from Poe.  I really like his character, but he screwed up a lot in this movie and I wish we got to see some real regret and guilt from him.  I think acknowledging the level of his errors would be very valuable to his character development and since he's one of my favorites, I was hoping he'd have that moment of growth.  I know they "showed" that growth when he told Finn to back off and retreat in the last battle, but it wasn't enough for me.  And I kind of thought the lack of remorse was a little out of character for him because even though he's a hot shot type, he's also been shown to really care about his friends.  I dunno, that was my main complaint.  I didn't mind the casino scene, but I wouldn't have minded if it was a little shorter in order to give some more time for the characterization to Poe via showing him realizing the consequences of his actions.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 31, 2017, 07:48:28 AM
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I also hate Kylo.  He's an awful person.  Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo.  He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis.  And killed his own dad.  What a peach.

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I was so afraid of saying "nazi" on here (because you never know how people will react even when it's the truth right now) but damn you RIGHT. The only time I like him is in small doses in Kylux fanart. That's literally it. And he needs to
  • keep his shirt on
  • stay away from Rey

Also like... his grandfather STOPPED being evil?? That was the whole point? Or did he conveniently forget that part?

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His shirt being off was so unnecessary and ridiculous, lol.

I liked him as a character (not a person) in TFA because it seemed like he was going to be a straightout villain, like Darth Vader was in A New Hope.  I actually thought it was interesting having the villain being a selfish and mildly pathetic wannabe idolizing something terrible while totally ignoring its history and context, because there are a LOT of guys out there like that (in both the internet and real life.)

Then I started seeing articles about how RELATABLE Kylo Ren was in TFA and I was like . . . whaaa?  I don't find him relatable at all.  He's like an amalgam of a bunch of terrible guys I've known over the years.

I also didn't like his fight against the red guards with Rey, even as an action scene, because it seemed really contrived.  Each guard specializing in a different weapon . . . REALLY?
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: SpaceButtPonies on December 31, 2017, 12:16:20 PM
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It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.
 
Thank you!!!
Hearing people shocked in the theater that Leia used the force tickles me. She has been force sensitive since the original movies.

But I loved this movie. Honestly better than last imo, The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me. So seeing this was more original made me really happy!

The ending scene where Luke looks like he was back on Tatooine looking at the sunset nearly killed me. I was trying so hard not to cry lol.

Snoke on the other hand... I really was bummed we didn't find out more about him. Where he came from and who he was, before he was killed, he was freakishly strong with the force yet killed off so quickly!
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Bewilderbeast on December 31, 2017, 05:15:16 PM
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I also hate Kylo.  He's an awful person.  Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo.  He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis.  And killed his own dad.  What a peach.

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I was so afraid of saying "nazi" on here (because you never know how people will react even when it's the truth right now) but damn you RIGHT. The only time I like him is in small doses in Kylux fanart. That's literally it. And he needs to
  • keep his shirt on
  • stay away from Rey

Also like... his grandfather STOPPED being evil?? That was the whole point? Or did he conveniently forget that part?

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His shirt being off was so unnecessary and ridiculous, lol.

I liked him as a character (not a person) in TFA because it seemed like he was going to be a straightout villain, like Darth Vader was in A New Hope.  I actually thought it was interesting having the villain being a selfish and mildly pathetic wannabe idolizing something terrible while totally ignoring its history and context, because there are a LOT of guys out there like that (in both the internet and real life.)

Then I started seeing articles about how RELATABLE Kylo Ren was in TFA and I was like . . . whaaa?  I don't find him relatable at all.  He's like an amalgam of a bunch of terrible guys I've known over the years.

I also didn't like his fight against the red guards with Rey, even as an action scene, because it seemed really contrived.  Each guard specializing in a different weapon . . . REALLY?

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Honestly, people that relate to Kylo Ren really heavily kind of... worry me. I dunno, I like that the type of villain moved from evil fascist dictator to evil fascist school shooter type. The villain of Star Wars has moved with the times.

I did really like the fight, I thought it was badass, but I found the fight between Kylo and Luke way cooler.

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It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.
 
Thank you!!!
Hearing people shocked in the theater that Leia used the force tickles me. She has been force sensitive since the original movies.

But I loved this movie. Honestly better than last imo, The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me. So seeing this was more original made me really happy!

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OMG YES!! Vader literally says to Luke "maybe your sister..." because he can sense the Force is as strong in her as it is in Luke... and honestly, he might have had more luck with her than Luke, when it came to the Dark Side, but the backlash again a powerful Force-sensitive woman is bad enough now, the film would have flopped hard in the 70s.

And I agree! I really like that it was so different! And what's to complain about, nothing can be as bad as the Phantom Menace.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Al-1701 on January 01, 2018, 05:09:02 AM
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It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.
 
Thank you!!!
Hearing people shocked in the theater that Leia used the force tickles me. She has been force sensitive since the original movies.

But I loved this movie. Honestly better than last imo, The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me. So seeing this was more original made me really happy!

The ending scene where Luke looks like he was back on Tatooine looking at the sunset nearly killed me. I was trying so hard not to cry lol.

Snoke on the other hand... I really was bummed we didn't find out more about him. Where he came from and who he was, before he was killed, he was freakishly strong with the force yet killed off so quickly!
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It wasn't the concept of her using the Force but the execution.  It looked stupid.  First, she miraculously survived the explosion and several seconds in the vacuum of space.  And, despite frost developing around her skin, she is able to just float to the door which doesn't decompress the ship when it's opened.

If they were going to do that, they should have thought it out more.  Like show Leia and the bridge staff in a protective bubble of air to suggest she used the Force to protect them from the explosion.  With other survivors, there would be a sense of astonishment in the movie as well, like when Yoda lifted Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp in Empire.  Her just doing it had no gravitas to what should be an advanced use of the Force we had never seen before.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Marlin on January 01, 2018, 10:04:07 AM

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It wasn't the concept of her using the Force but the execution.  It looked stupid.  First, she miraculously survived the explosion and several seconds in the vacuum of space.  And, despite frost developing around her skin, she is able to just float to the door which doesn't decompress the ship when it's opened.

If they were going to do that, they should have thought it out more.  Like show Leia and the bridge staff in a protective bubble of air to suggest she used the Force to protect them from the explosion.  With other survivors, there would be a sense of astonishment in the movie as well, like when Yoda lifted Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp in Empire.  Her just doing it had no gravitas to what should be an advanced use of the Force we had never seen before.


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I have to agree here. And whilst I'll confess I hadn't really thought too much about Leia's 'use' of the force prior to reading people's comments in this thread, the most I can recall (thinking about it now) is her ability to sense a 'disturbance' in the force - like knowing Han was gone, or being able to hear Luke when he was calling to her in the Empire Strikes Back (but even then, that was Luke mostly, really? Leia was able to pick up on it)
Here in the TLJ, suddenly we have this bizarre scene, with an execution of 'force' powers, that felt completely out of place  :huh:  Not to mention the scientific faux pas that Al-1701 pointed out. On which subject... the bombers... dropping bombs.... I thought there wasn't any gravity in space???  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I stand at risk of picking it to pieces here... I would then be suggesting that every explosion we've heard in space throughout Star wars and any space movie would be wrong... so I had better 'let it go... let it go.... mustn't bully the movie anymoreeee....!!!  :lol:


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edit to add... I should add that really, I'm not too bothered by little bomb dropping gravity issues or explosions in space... there are plenty of most excellent space explosions I have enjoyed - and seriously, if there were no space explosions in cinema space, cinema wouldn't be very interesting, would it? lol! But yes, I was bothered by the Leia force scene
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Haruna on January 01, 2018, 02:12:52 PM
I'll chime in with my two cents.

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I actually enjoyed the movie.  I was entertained and engaged throughout and it had a good SW feel for me.  Like LadyMoondance, I expected to dislike the Porgs but they weren't overdone and added a few smiles to dark scenes. Interesting that they were penguins that needed disguise!  Thanks Kiwi, I had not heard that (probably because I have been avoiding spoilers at all costs, lol).

I enjoyed the interaction between Rey and Ren.  It's weird they have such a strong connection but I am willing to roll with it because it was well played out and gave a bit more insight into each character (maybe they are both just ultra powerful with the force?).  My brother guessed right that Rey's parents would turn out to be nobodies too!  I didn't expect Ren to kill Snoke!  That was a bit of a shock, especially because we know so little about him. I expected him to be around until the next film.  Good to see Ren stepping up to be the big bad guy, even if he is clearly still conflicted. I really liked that he couldn't kill his mother.

I didn't like the way they used Poe this time.  He was way too gung-ho after being such an asset in TFA. The thing I hated most though was when Rose crashed into Fin's ship to supposedly save him from dying.  I actually held up my hands in the theatre and went WTF?  She could just as easily have killed him in the process, as well as putting the lives of everyone he was trying to save back in danger!  Duh. 

I have heard people saying that Luke was out of character.  Imo he was always rather negative and questioning of the force so I didn't think so.  He also went down the same route as Anakin, attempting to kill Ben to save those that he loves (Anakin mistakenly turned to the dark side to save Padme).  I felt sorry for Luke that things went so wrong in training Ben, and that it has effected his relationship with Leia so much.  I also felt for Kylo (yes, I have now called him by three different names, lol!).  I think he wants to be good but he certainly has a lot of anger in him.  If Rey can not turn him to the light side then I don't think anybody will.

It was really sad to see Carrie Fisher on screen for the last time.  :(  I'm glad we got to see Leia and Luke reunite on screen before she passed, and there was a nice mention of her in the screen credits at the end.   I was hoping Billy D Williams might pop up somewhere in the movie.  Hopefully the signal sent by the rebellion will reach him next time. :D

Overall I would rate this movie about 8/10.  Not as good as TFA but solid and enjoyable.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, kiwimlp  ^.^

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Some of you mentioned Kylo and Rey -- I ship them, too. :blush: Not only do their personalities spark nicely, but they're both Force prodigies who are in some ways being moved around like pawns by their commanders/companions/evil overlords (in Kylo's case). Their interactions were some of the highlights of the movie for me.

Luke's last scene where it looked like he was looking at two suns, just like the start of his journey, and the music from that scene, was so perfect. I loved the parallel they made.

Like Marlin and Al-1701 mentioned, the problem with Leia's scene was more in execution than concept. It would be cool to see her use the Force, but not like they showed it. She should have died in the time she spent out there in space (obviously some yucky things happen when you're not in a spacesuit). She was unconscious for a moment, right, and couldn't do anything for the short time she'd have to survive the experience? If somehow the Force kept her alive, her flying back to the ship was unusual and I didn't know the Force let you do that. At least they made her seriously weakened and on life support throughout most of the movie because of her stint in space.

Apparently there were other illogical moments in the movie that I didn't notice -- my dad was bothered by the fact that Admiral Holdo could drive the big ship into the pursuing First Order ships when the precious fuel had, in an earlier scene, been distributed to the little escape ships. It's also strange that the First Order baddies didn't notice the tiny escape ships at first (their radar would pick up on them, right?) I have to say I didn't like the porgs, mostly just because they were clearly computer animated. They're cute otherwise and I want to like them.

Oh, and as was mentioned, I didn't like the fact that Rose ran her ship into Finn's to save him. That sort of thing happens all the time in movies, but really she could have killed them both. And she says that they'll win by protecting what they love, but she had to know that Finn was charging down the barrel of the cannon because he was protecting what they both love, their friends inside the bunker/defensive structure-thingy. And her line was delivered melodramatically when they both should be running for their lives . . . I did like Rose as a character, though.

I liked the movie despite its flaws, though. I liked the Force Awakens and loved the character of Rey, and BB-8 is my weakness. I've always thought Kylo Ren is a terrifying villain (reminding me a lot of school shooters, etc., guys my age who I think Lady Moondancer correctly pegged as kind of pitiful guys clinging onto a cool-sounding evil paradigm.) I don't really feel like rewatching the Force Awakens usually, though, while this movie I wanted to see again as soon as I left the theater. They were able to do more with the characters and explore their thoughts and emotions and allow them to act in unexpected but logical ways (with the exception of the illogical science-y stuff, of course!)
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Pinkie_Pies_BFF on January 02, 2018, 05:51:10 AM
At first I thought I wasn't going to see it, but I knew I had to for Kylo and Luke!
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: ladybastilla on January 02, 2018, 06:31:24 AM
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While I don't think what Rose did near the end of the film was smart, I do think it fit her narrative and made things come full circle. I'm sure she was not happy about her sister dying, and when she saw what Finn was trying to do its possible that she could not bear the idea of losing someone else--regardless of the consequences she would have seen if she had been thinking rationally. That doesn't make her choice okay, but perhaps it makes it more understandable.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: brightberry on January 02, 2018, 03:32:23 PM
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There were a lot of things that annoyed me about the movie.  But Leia using the force wasn't one of them. It looked odd, but I did like that it was understated and not glamorous and flashy.  She was never really that type and probably would have been an interesting Jedi.  Practical and level-headed.  It would be hard to imagine her "tempted" by the dark side.

And I didn't mind Rose and Finn.  But their antics were just not working for me.  It felt too much like they were in a overly condensed film together.  Probably because it was in the middle of an already long movie.   I'm glad he didn't die though.

Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Loona on January 06, 2018, 07:16:59 AM
The negative-ish reviews in the first few comments made me think I'm odd for having liked the film, so I'm happy to see more and more people come around who enjoyed it as much as I did :)

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While there were some scenes and things I did not like about the film, overall I enjoyed it a lot and would like to see it again sometime soon - I'm constantly bugging the husband about it :)

I'm that naive type of girl, always hoping for a better future, never able to really dislike anyone, so while I can't sympathise with his current behaviour and actions, I really can't hate, nor even dislike Kylo. I guess this is also the reason why I can totally understand why and how Rey can still see some light in him, and why she still wants to save him after all. To me, Kylo is like a confused (and scared. The whole Empire is built on fear and threat...) little child (his childlike tantrums just enhance this. Those seriously remind me of some men I know/knew, who - some even over 40 - can be _so_ childish in situations -_- He also reminds me of 3-year-olds throwing huge and very visual tantrums over literally anything that happens against their will), and I do believe things will get better as he matures - not just in age, rather in experience. Yes, I can't forgive him for killing his father (but at least Mr. Ford is happy about that :P ) or for taking his shirt off (LOL. Seriously, Ben. Please don't do that again. I read an interview where the scene was explained to be necessary to confirm that Ben and Rey see all of the other when they connect, but I kind of always thought so and did not need such an explanation :scared: ), and children make mistakes, huge ones, even, and confused children more so. Kylo totally reminds me of young Vader by the way, from the prequel trilogy and especially Ep. III. It's no wonder the dark side of the force was able to capture him so easily with all the hate and anger he has in him. I'm very interested to learn more about the source of all these negative feelings inside him (there must be more to it than what Luke almost did to him, as Luke has already sensed a vast amount of darkness in him before that), I hope we'll get to know more about this in Ep. IX.

I totally ship Reylo :blush: There's a strong bond between them, it was present already in TFA, so this subplot getting more attention and development in this episode did not surprise me. I *so* rooted for Kylo to go with Rey after Snoke's death, but by hindsight that would have been too easy a resolution. I have the same hopes for Ep. IX though :blush:

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LOL!!!  :lol:  Could get awkies if it turns out they are actually related! I think Kylo lied about her parents  :shifty:
I think too that he lied. That, or he saw it wrong. I think I even read it somewhere that the force made him foresee what he wanted to (or Snoke wanted him to) see, which is not necessarily the truth. While it would be nice to see someone finally totally coming into the "upper circle" of the jedi out of nowhere, it is not really how it usually goes in Star Wars.
About them turning out to be related, I wouldn't be surprised either (though I'd prefer them not to). It would be weird, yeah, but it wouldn't be the first time we see weird stuff happening between people who turn out to be related later (Leia did kiss Luke once, lol).

I don't know how to feel about Poe. His character was too show-off for me already in TFA, but I did not mind him. However, he kind of annoyed me in this film. He was just too self-centered and proud at many points, and so not a team player that it is dangerous. We have already seen several cases of Star Wars characters taking risky paths in hope of a better outcome, but not by actually sacrificing others - which happened in this case. And then it somehow all got forgotten and he did not seem sorry either...
And then there's another thing about him. I did not notice this on my own, but ever since my husband's comment over how racist Disney is for "bringing Rose and Finn together, so that Rey and Poe can get together" hit my ears, I can't get rid of this thought. After all that plentiful character build Rey and Kylo had together I'd be very disappointed if Rey and Poe got together in the end...

I like how Rey is getting stronger and more confident even in hopeless situations. At first (in TFA) her "magically knows all despite never having encountered it before"-personality was a bit annoying, but now that she is gaining more power it is finally getting an explanation and starts to make sense. I totally believe she can turn Kylo around, and it would be also well-deserved. I'm no feminist or anything like that, but it would be nice to finally see a female jedi demonstrate so much power, there were not many so far, and those who had the potential (khm, Leia) were also ignored.

Speaking of Leia... I agree that her space scene was weirdly executed (it honestly felt like a scene from Sailor Moon with all the "you discover your true power is bigger than you thought every time you almost get killed"-factor. On the other hand, I liked that it finally showed that she is not just some random woman, but someone who also has the force in her.
Carrie's mention in the ending credits made me tear up. I still can't believe she's gone :cry: I am really, really interested how they will handle her sad absence in Ep. IX, especially since she was originally supposed to have a major role in this episode (or so the rumours said). The latest information I have is that there will be no CGI of her, so yeah... I'm really interested. It's not like she's a character who can just not turn up anymore without a reason (which wouldn't even be possible in this case anyway, as she is currently on board of a ship with the rest of the main characters, she pretty much needs to be there in the beginning), and after that space scene she can't just... faint on the ship and die, right? :|

Snoke's short-lived role was a huge surprise to me too! And it makes me wonder how he got to be the Supreme Leader, judging by how much we saw of him, and his end, he did not seem that powerful... They Empire needs to get their act together, with a drama queen often incapable of making sane decisions that is Kylo, and Hux (who makes me wonder no less than Snoke, he seems completely incapable and unworothy of such a high position) offering support, they are pretty much doomed :P

I liked the "Hugs"-joke, but I do agree it felt a little out of place for a Star Wars movie.

I was a bit angry at that casino scene... There were some good visuals, and I guess it was needed to develop some subplots (Rose&Finn, and the little boy with the broom), but from the main plot's PoV it was completely unnecessary and even disappointing: all the fuss was in vain, the master code breaker was first not found (contacted), and later it turned out he was not even necessary, as a random guy from the prison was also able to open that freaking door (and then this also did not have the outcome they wished for, and Rose and Finn also almost got killed). I'm pretty sure there was someone on the rebels' ship who could have done that too, with less risk and extra effort...

The last battle was super scary for me. All that salt looked like blood (intentionally, I guess. The whole film was full of red-dominated scenes, which frankly made me feel pretty uncomfortable at times, as I really can't bear the sight of blood and also don't like the colour red - probably for the same reason), and the new AT-M6 walkers are also super creepy  :yikes: I am a huge walker fan, and I am sure I will also warm up to these over time, but right now I just find them super scary.

I loved the porgs, but I think anyone who knows me would have happily bet high amounts on this beforehand :D I definitely need some porg-related merch in my life, like a lifesize plushie... I haven't yet looked around, I fear for my wallet XD

The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way. Not that I did not like TFA, I did. But after awhile I felt this constant deja vu, caused by that I found a counterpart for most scenes in the original trilogy.

By the way, am I the only one who wonders where on Earth did Kylo manage to obtain that Vader helmet? Yes, we already know there are Indiana Joneses robbing tombs wrecks in that galaxy far, far away, too, but who and why would have ever picked that burnt helmet up (I wonder how much food it would have worth on Jakku), and how it got to him afterwards? Where was it until the point (sometime in the not so far past) where Kylo suddenly found it important to own it? Do they have SpacEBay where "trash for me, might be a gem for you"-type of stuff can be auctioned off, and if they do, how much time dear Kylo spent checking it before someone finally put it up for auction? And how does he know it is not a fakie? :P
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: dashesndots on January 06, 2018, 08:45:44 AM
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I dragged my husband to see it again last night after seeing it earlier in December.  It certainly has flaws (definitely could have used a trim here and there, for sure) but the good parts are really, really good - namely anything with Rey and Kylo Ren.  Them I wanted more of...much much more. I am totally, absolutely on board the reylo ship after this movie.  But I've always been a sucker for that kind of dynamic, and the actors sell it completely. I also loved all the scenes with Luke, and I didn't think, considering how they explain what happened with Ben Solo and his other students, that it was unreasonable that he would have cut himself off from the force, etc.  But that's me.  I don't find the OT to be the masterpieces that some people do, because I didn't watch them growing up and have no nostalgia connection. 

For what it's worth, my husband is definitely on the more negative side of the spectrum, having grown up with the OT.  He does agree, though, that the Rey / Kylo Ren interactions were definitely the best parts.

I can honestly say it's the first Star Wars movie that has really gripped me. Here's hoping they don't backtrack in IX because of the very vocal negative fans and undo everything Rian Johnson did in VIII.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: LadyMoondancer on January 06, 2018, 11:16:45 AM
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My only ship in the movie is Poe / Finn.  :P  Like, Rose is fine.  But I didn't feel like she had any romantic chemistry with Poe.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Majesty on January 06, 2018, 11:38:40 AM
I went to see it with my Dad.  He and I both feel that the new movies are just OK.  It was nice to Harrison Ford and the people from the older movies but it feels like they're trying to hard to entertain people and it makes it an OK movie.  My Dad feels like they should have just ended it with the original three.  I agree.
I'm not a fan of the side movies or the stories.  My Dad heard they're redoing the Star Wars movies and starting over with a new series.  They're doing Star Wars to death and I can't stand it.  I feel like they're ruining it.
 Yeah, they're trying to make it fresh and new for new generations but they probably don't know Star Wars when it first came out, like it was.  I mean, the original series was before my time but I pretty much grew up on it.
 My Dad had the VHS tapes of the original ones before they redid them and added the extra special effects.
He wants the original movies on DVD before they redid them but I guess a lot of other people do too and George Lucas has stated he won't do it, for whatever reason.  He should realize it would be a big money maker for him if he did that.  Lots of people would pay for them.

I can't see myself going to see the Han Solo story or the reboot of the series.  I feel like The Last Jedi was my last new Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Loona on January 06, 2018, 11:40:56 AM
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My only ship in the movie is Poe / Finn.  :P  Like, Rose is fine.  But I didn't feel like she had any romantic chemistry with Poe.
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They'd indeed make a nice couple :) I loved how they instantly clicked and made a great team when they escaped from the Empire in TFA. Sadly though, Star Wars is a franchise in which I don't really see such couplings happening, and now that Rose is in the picture, I find the possibility of this fading even more so :huh:

I can't see myself going to see the Han Solo story or the reboot of the series.  I feel like The Last Jedi was my last new Star Wars movie.
Oh, I haven't yet heard of a reboot. It does sound somewhat interesting to me, though I must admit that this is interest mingled with fear... I don't really see why a reboot is needed.
I'm also hesitant about the Han Solo story... I'll see once how I'll actually feel about it once it hits the movies, but for now I can't really see such a story being something I'd enjoy if the title guy is visually not the same as who we've got to know from the series. I mean I understand Mr. Ford is 75, he obviously can't play youg Solo anymore (and I don't think he'd like to), but still...
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Majesty on January 06, 2018, 04:23:33 PM
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My only ship in the movie is Poe / Finn.  :P  Like, Rose is fine.  But I didn't feel like she had any romantic chemistry with Poe.
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They'd indeed make a nice couple :) I loved how they instantly clicked and made a great team when they escaped from the Empire in TFA. Sadly though, Star Wars is a franchise in which I don't really see such couplings happening, and now that Rose is in the picture, I find the possibility of this fading even more so :huh:

I can't see myself going to see the Han Solo story or the reboot of the series.  I feel like The Last Jedi was my last new Star Wars movie.
Oh, I haven't yet heard of a reboot. It does sound somewhat interesting to me, though I must admit that this is interest mingled with fear... I don't really see why a reboot is needed.
I'm also hesitant about the Han Solo story... I'll see once how I'll actually feel about it once it hits the movies, but for now I can't really see such a story being something I'd enjoy if the title guy is visually not the same as who we've got to know from the series. I mean I understand Mr. Ford is 75, he obviously can't play youg Solo anymore (and I don't think he'd like to), but still...

I think I read on msn.com that Harrison Ford only agreed to be in the previous movie if Han Solo died, because he didn't want to do the role anymore.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Al-1701 on January 06, 2018, 05:11:31 PM
That's right.  He wanted Han to die in Return of the Jedi, but it didn't work in the story.

I personally loved Rogue One and think it was the best Star Wars movie since the Empire Strike Back.  I'm also looking forward to the Han Solo movie, his backstory being a highlight of the Expanded Universe.

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I'm definitely looking forward to it more than Episode IX.  I can't suspend my disbelief enough to accept the resistance that can fit inside the Millennium Falcon and mostly porgs is going to stop the First Order in one movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Beldarna on January 06, 2018, 11:13:38 PM

By the way, am I the only one who wonders where on Earth did Kylo manage to obtain that Vader helmet? Yes, we already know there are Indiana Joneses robbing tombs wrecks in that galaxy far, far away, too, but who and why would have ever picked that burnt helmet up (I wonder how much food it would have worth on Jakku), and how it got to him afterwards? Where was it until the point (sometime in the not so far past) where Kylo suddenly found it important to own it? Do they have SpacEBay where "trash for me, might be a gem for you"-type of stuff can be auctioned off, and if they do, how much time dear Kylo spent checking it before someone finally put it up for auction? And how does he know it is not a fakie? :P



Honestly, I don't think it's that strange. They burned Vaders body on Endor after the war and he wore the mask there. If they left it by the scrap or put it on a stump afterwards anyone could've picked it up, even Kylo. If he grew up hearing the stories, no doubt he could have gotten a ship and traveled there himself to retriev it.



I'm a bit doubtful of Han Solos film. The pic of the cast look somewhat ok, but it's not Ford! I will watch it regardless. Rogue One blew me away so I hope I'll be equally surprised by Solo. I am however really looking forward Bobba Fetts film! 2020 can't come soon enough, lol!
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: kiwimlp on January 13, 2018, 05:01:10 PM
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I dragged my husband to see it again last night after seeing it earlier in December.  It certainly has flaws (definitely could have used a trim here and there, for sure) but the good parts are really, really good - namely anything with Rey and Kylo Ren.  Them I wanted more of...much much more. I am totally, absolutely on board the reylo ship after this movie.  But I've always been a sucker for that kind of dynamic, and the actors sell it completely. I also loved all the scenes with Luke, and I didn't think, considering how they explain what happened with Ben Solo and his other students, that it was unreasonable that he would have cut himself off from the force, etc.  But that's me.  I don't find the OT to be the masterpieces that some people do, because I didn't watch them growing up and have no nostalgia connection. 

For what it's worth, my husband is definitely on the more negative side of the spectrum, having grown up with the OT.  He does agree, though, that the Rey / Kylo Ren interactions were definitely the best parts.

I can honestly say it's the first Star Wars movie that has really gripped me. Here's hoping they don't backtrack in IX because of the very vocal negative fans and undo everything Rian Johnson did in VIII.

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I agree.  I saw the movie for a second time and I am captivated by Reylo.  I also love Hux, such a bad-ass!
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Sky_Rocket_Sammie on January 13, 2018, 11:03:53 PM
I went into it spoiler free, which was no small task.
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This felt like for the first time a Star Wars film, as did TFA. Soundly placed into the arc of the movies while giving us new characters. Some thoughts:
-The First Order being so sure it can smoke the Rebels. Also, once again as in TFA the feel of oppression and absolute power TFO exudes. A bit too on the nose similar to Nazi's. It truly feels like we're seeing why they and the old Empire was feared across the galaxy.
-Rose, I wanted to like her but her character felt so forced. Her comment to Fin was a good one. About how she'd seen first hand what the First Order was doing. And the one about saving what you love.
-Rey/Kylo yes their dynamic has grown on me. Especially the dichotomy of light/dark, family/love/hate. Great job to both actors.
-Luke is exactly how I figure he'd be at this point. World weary, a bit jaded even.
-Leia using the Force-about damn time!
-Scenery was stunning,down right eye candy
-The space battles! Finally we get full on fights. Also, how bad ass was the ship going through the other one? (I know the names but am blanking)
-Once again John Williams doing what he does best
-Poe,I liked how he was snarky and jumped to the wrong conclusion. It felt natural, in the moment.
-Snoke, I'm sticking with  that was a hologram that got wasted. Because damn it I want more! If he's really dead, that feels cheap. Easy way out
-His throne room really helped bring out the feeling of the character. Also his guards were no slouches. Each with their own fighting style and weapon. Again, a nice call back to the original trilogy while making this its own.
-Loved the fake out at the end. I seriously didn't notice till right before Kylo realizes that Luke is a hologram.
-Luke picking up the dice from the Falcon's mirror. Nice, small call back to ANH.
-All the feels when Carrie was on screen
-Phasma once again is wasted, the character deserves more. Another case (see Rose) of a character written about in the books. Not truly used on screen.
-Yoda,turns out he was a puppet not CGI. Such a great call back to the original trilogy. And the artistry that brought him to life
-The end, so much put into just a few shots.

My favorite pairings are Poe/Fin and Rey/Kylo..yes that last one is growing on me.

I liked it more then I was expecting and feel it'll bring me back into the fandom. Yes, I have nitpicks with it. That dosen't stop me from loving it. Looking forward to Episode 9
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: kestral_kitsune on January 14, 2018, 05:06:36 PM
I went and saw it last night with one of 'those' star wars fans ' think toxic brony before they cooled their jets'.
Basically Treat the Star Wars Movie verse like you would the Marvel Movie Verse: Movie canon isn't comic/book canon and since the Extended Universe for Star Wars was basically ret-conned out of existence and de-canonfied by Disney and LucasFilms  if you can keep the two canons separate then you should have no problem enjoying the film. if not.. then don't go see it cause I ended up listening to the dude ranting for an hour on the way home and basically told him to shut it.
 
Now for the movie itself:
The pacing was slow so if you haven't seen it yet, just be aware it went the nice slow pace story telling.
Some of the points i seen being complained about are easily explained in the movie itself if you actually pay attention to the movie.
Story Line was good had some moments where you just laughed at the absurdity of it.
a lot of people made a lot of good points i'm not gonna bother to blather about lol.
 the minor romantic plot there was rather hilarious because you kind can tell the recipient was more a 'what just happened and why did you do that'
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: vortex1310 on January 24, 2018, 02:46:38 PM
Enjoying reading this thread a lot! I have been on other boards and it's more along the lines of "TLJ sucks/It killed Star Wars/It's stupid" rather than calming discussing pros and cons and thoughts about it. Thanks ladies and gents!

I think Force Awakens was a more even movie (less ups and downs and tone issues regarding humor) but Last Jedi just holds my interest more.

I came out wanting a whole movie of just Luke, Rey, and Kylo.

It felt like they did a disservice to the other characters by under utilizing them or ignoring any kind of arc all together. Poe's arc consisted of one line to Finn about being patient when Poe really fudged the rebels throughout the whole movie. Not only did they lose all the bombers and many fighter pilots ignoring direct orders from Leia, if he hadn't sent Finn and Rose on their mission then DJ wouldn't have overheard the info about the escape pods and ruined the rebels' plan to escape to Crait undetected. But even that could have been worked into an interesting arc but the only blow back is Leia's slap and then 10 seconds later it's completely undercut with his "Permission to jump in a ship and blow something up?" joke line because she says yes.

I also wanted more Phasma. After seeing how fans reacted to her hardly being in the first one, and Disney acknowledging it and making a fuss about getting the same actress back, heavily featuring her in magazines, interviews, and press junkets they threw the character away. I always wanted more back story with her and Finn. To hear her say in that amazing accent to him "I raised you! I gave you a family." and Finn to be all "You stole me from my real parents!" and she's like "You're parents couldn't have protected you like the First Order has. You've seen galaxies your parents could never even dreamed of because of me." Ok, I'll stop now...rofl.

I feel so bad for Kylo. From his point of view his father wasn't really present, his teacher tried to kill him, Snoke exploited his unbalanced nature mocking him for his ambitions to become Vader (even though this is what Snoke ultimately wants) to lure Rey, and when he offers to share the galaxy with the one person he's probably felt the closest to, she refuses. After the throne room sequence (despite it being a cliched "let's rule the galaxy together" thing) he doesn't say "Join me or die", he begs her, saying please, and Rey is the one to make the first move for the light saber. Then ultimately in the finale his mother states that she "knows her son is gone" even though she should've felt that he didn't make the shot that exploded the bridge, when he questions Luke about forgiving/saving him Luke says "No", and Rey shuts the Falcon door on him when he reaches out one last time holding the dice. Is 10 rebels dying worth the chance to rule the galaxy and enact balance? Maaaaaybe, lol.



Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Midnight_Dream on January 25, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Second best Star Wars movie after Empire and far and away better than Rogue One, but that was a horrible train wreck that even made the prequels look good so that's not saying much.
Title: Re: Star Wars The Last Jedi
Post by: Flitter on January 25, 2018, 11:40:45 PM
I finally went to see The Last Jedi the weekend before last and LOVED IT! I had tried my best to avoid spoilers before hand (like with Force Awakens) but was catching that there was some disappointment coming from some. Yeah I felt there were a few awkward moments but nothing I'd complain too harshly about. I like the unpredicted direction they went with some things. There were several scenes where I was just absolutely riveted. I thought it was pretty awesome.
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