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Pony Talk => Off Topic => The Dollhouse => Topic started by: KarentheUnicorn on December 12, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
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Hi guys,
I have a question. I have recently purchased a BJD. I haven't received her yet but she will be coming nude and wigless when she arrives. My issue is I'm not sure what the best way to go about searching for clothing for her?
She is a 1/6 Bjd Doll SD Irene 1/6 BB doll - I believe iplehouse is the manufacturer.
While Iplehouse has some nice clothing it looks like for the Irene size there isn't a whole lot to choose from and the ones available I don't particularly like.
Is there a standard sizing I can go by for BJD's? I'm not sure what SD in the description actually means. Is that a particular size of the doll or does that mean something else? How do most of you with BJD go about finding the right clothing for them if you're not buying from the manufacturer of the doll?
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I have so much trouble with this, even now that I have a few! My brain does not like all the conflicting acronyms. I find that this website is Very helpful when picking out sizing
http://www.dollsmagazine.com/ball-jointed-dolls-body-sizes/
SD means super dolfie, and generally refers to big dolls, ~60cm. 1/6 dolls are usually called "Barbie size" and sometimes Barbie clothes will fit them, or stretchy ken clothes. You might want to look up joining denofangels, I know they're a bit particular but there's good resources there.
I found that apparently these things fit iplehouse KIDS:
Stretchy Ken tops
Tonner 16" clothes
Minifee skirts
Ellowyne Wilde
Littlefee/yosd shoes
Some MSD dresses
As for wigs, they use a 3-4,4-5,5-6,6-7...etc sizing basis. It's in inches. I think iplehouse kids wear 6/7s. This website is also very good for that. http://beautifullycustom.com/wig-size-chart/
I hope you find some good clothes for your lady! Congrats on bringing her home!
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Where did you buy her? I mean, the manufacturer is always clear unless the doll is a recast, in which case they often drop every search term they can into the sales post and sometimes don't include the real manufacturer clearly.
Also, SD and 1/6 are really different sizes. SD is 60cm-ish class while Irene is about 35cm.
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Where did you buy her? I mean, the manufacturer is always clear unless the doll is a recast, in which case they often drop every search term they can into the sales post and sometimes don't include the real manufacturer clearly.
Also, SD and 1/6 are really different sizes. SD is 60cm-ish class while Irene is about 35cm.
I thought that was weird too. I hope you got her from a reputable seller : (
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Where did you buy her? I mean, the manufacturer is always clear unless the doll is a recast, in which case they often drop every search term they can into the sales post and sometimes don't include the real manufacturer clearly.
Also, SD and 1/6 are really different sizes. SD is 60cm-ish class while Irene is about 35cm.
I purchased the doll on ebay, and the seller is in china.
I asked questions before I purchased and they answered promptly, etc. They sent me more information about the sizes of the doll just a little while ago.
The doll size:
Height: 34.5cm
Head circumference: 17.5cm
Neck circumference: 6.8cm
Bust: 14.9cm
Arm length: 12.5CM
Shoulder: 7cm
Waist: 13.5cm
Arm circumference: 4cm
Pelvis around: 17.8cm
Thigh: 10cm
Ankle circumference: 4.5cm
Foot length: 4cm
The doll offered will have it's faceup/facepainted and they allowed me to choose the color of the eyes.
I found that apparently these things fit iplehouse KIDS:
Stretchy Ken tops
Tonner 16" clothes
Minifee skirts
Ellowyne Wilde
Littlefee/yosd shoes
Some MSD dresses
As for wigs, they use a 3-4,4-5,5-6,6-7...etc sizing basis. It's in inches. I think iplehouse kids wear 6/7s. This website is also very good for that. http://beautifullycustom.com/wig-size-chart/
I hope you find some good clothes for your lady! Congrats on bringing her home!
I have ellowyne Wilde and other tonner 16" dolls. As even though Ellowyne and Tyler are both 16" they cannot wear the same clothing. Plus with them it's easier to buy clothing as there were not a huge number of variations with Tonner's dolls to being confused on which clothing fit which doll.
Ellowyne is larger than Tyler so it's possible that new doll I'm getting can wear Ellowyne. I'll take the measurements they sent me to compare with Ellowyne's body size to see if it'll work. Since I have Ellowyne wigs and clothing I can also test those once I get the doll to see if that size fits.
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Where did you buy her? I mean, the manufacturer is always clear unless the doll is a recast, in which case they often drop every search term they can into the sales post and sometimes don't include the real manufacturer clearly.
Also, SD and 1/6 are really different sizes. SD is 60cm-ish class while Irene is about 35cm.
I purchased the doll on ebay, and the seller is in china.
I asked questions before I purchased and they answered promptly, etc. They sent me more information about the sizes of the doll just a little while ago.
The doll size:
Height: 34.5cm
Head circumference: 17.5cm
Neck circumference: 6.8cm
Bust: 14.9cm
Arm length: 12.5CM
Shoulder: 7cm
Waist: 13.5cm
Arm circumference: 4cm
Pelvis around: 17.8cm
Thigh: 10cm
Ankle circumference: 4.5cm
Foot length: 4cm
The doll offered will have it's faceup/facepainted and they allowed me to choose the color of the eyes.
Does your doll come with a certificate of authenticity from iplehouse..? If she doesn't, she's probably a recast : (
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Does your doll come with a certificate of authenticity from iplehouse..? If she doesn't, she's probably a recast : (
Being new to these kind of dolls i wasnt exactly sure what you meant since the closest i have to bjd are ellowynes or some of my other standar dolls like ever after high or some barbies or bratz, etc. Im a long time toy collector but have never ventured into these kinds of dolls so i had to do a google search for recast to know exactly what you guys meant.
So it sounds like ive sort of bought a fakie mlp :P
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Does your doll come with a certificate of authenticity from iplehouse..? If she doesn't, she's probably a recast : (
Being new to these kind of dolls i wasnt exactly sure what you meant since the closest i have to bjd are ellowynes or some of my other standar dolls like ever after high or some barbies or bratz, etc. Im a long time toy collector but have never ventured into these kinds of dolls so i had to do a google search for recast to know exactly what you guys meant.
So it sounds like ive sort of bought a fakie mlp :P
a recast is when a third-party company steals the mold of a real bjd and sells it for less money. real companies always give a "Certificate of authenticity" with their dolls, and it's highly frowned upon to buy a doll that doesnt have one, as it could be a recast, which harms artists and takes money away from the people who created it. At least in doll communities that are pro-artist, like myself.
It is kind of like buying a fakie, yes. but I feel like there is more harm in buying a 'fakie' bjd since they are art pieces, not really toys. they're for collecting and displaying, and cost hundreds of dollars to produce and make.
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Does your doll come with a certificate of authenticity from iplehouse..? If she doesn't, she's probably a recast : (
Being new to these kind of dolls i wasnt exactly sure what you meant since the closest i have to bjd are ellowynes or some of my other standar dolls like ever after high or some barbies or bratz, etc. Im a long time toy collector but have never ventured into these kinds of dolls so i had to do a google search for recast to know exactly what you guys meant.
So it sounds like ive sort of bought a fakie mlp :P
a recast is when a third-party company steals the mold of a real bjd and sells it for less money. real companies always give a "Certificate of authenticity" with their dolls, and it's highly frowned upon to buy a doll that doesnt have one, as it could be a recast, which harms artists and takes money away from the people who created it. At least in doll communities that are pro-artist, like myself.
It is kind of like buying a fakie, yes. but I feel like there is more harm in buying a 'fakie' bjd since they are art pieces, not really toys. they're for collecting and displaying, and cost hundreds of dollars to produce and make.
Uh-oh.... that's too bad!!!
And many BJD doll forums won't allow you to share photos or information on her, in case it inspires someone else to think that buying recasts is "acceptable". :(
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Does your doll come with a certificate of authenticity from iplehouse..? If she doesn't, she's probably a recast : (
Being new to these kind of dolls i wasnt exactly sure what you meant since the closest i have to bjd are ellowynes or some of my other standar dolls like ever after high or some barbies or bratz, etc. Im a long time toy collector but have never ventured into these kinds of dolls so i had to do a google search for recast to know exactly what you guys meant.
So it sounds like ive sort of bought a fakie mlp :P
a recast is when a third-party company steals the mold of a real bjd and sells it for less money. real companies always give a "Certificate of authenticity" with their dolls, and it's highly frowned upon to buy a doll that doesnt have one, as it could be a recast, which harms artists and takes money away from the people who created it. At least in doll communities that are pro-artist, like myself.
It is kind of like buying a fakie, yes. but I feel like there is more harm in buying a 'fakie' bjd since they are art pieces, not really toys. they're for collecting and displaying, and cost hundreds of dollars to produce and make.
Uh-oh.... that's too bad!!!
And many BJD doll forums won't allow you to share photos or information on her, in case it inspires someone else to think that buying recasts is "acceptable". :(
It seems like I touched on a nerve I wasn't even aware existed when I made this purchase. Feels like a horrible person now. :huh:
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well, just like any counterfeit purchase on Ebay, you can easily open a case, return it, get the refund and leave feedback. Actually Ebay is super picky about counterfeit goods so you may get more leeway from that direction... if that is something you are concerned about, I would prepare yourself to contact Ebay on the matter.
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Seconding contacting eBay. I don't see people pushing this enough...if someone has sold you a recast and you didn't know...take that money away from them! They will use it to make more, after all. Don't feel bad for not knowing and for well, having them decieve you. If you make it sound like it's a pain to send it back to China(which it is, tbh), eBay will likely not make you. Bootlegs are NOT allowed on eBay. They're breaking TOS anyway by selling it in the first place. When this happens to me with plush or other products, eBay has not made me send it back. Or even asked me to throw it out(worst case they ask you to throw it out. But I don't know eBay to ever follow up on this.) As others have said... unfortunately you won't be able to post in most places with that particular doll, but I don't see many who will shun you for not knowing. Especially if you buy legit from now on. I don't think that will be held against you. :( Still sucks to have to deal with the process though. But it should be easy enough to get a refund.
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Third vote for returning recast-
You didn't know, and they sold you a counterfeit product.
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Ummm, I think before I go setting the seller on fire with a ebay case, I believe it's good policy to first contact the seller about concerns and authentication. The doll hasn't even been shipped/arrived yet so there isn't anything to ship back.
I think the better course of action for me would be to communicate with seller first.
Anyway, thanks for the advice.
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:hug: Don't feel bad about it Karen, you didn't know and it's an easy mistake to make, it's not your fault. I hope you can work everything out :hug:
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I don't want you to feel bad or anything, it's a mistake that happens. but now you know for the future! and i hope you go with getting your money back instead of supporting recasting.
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Chill out folks, put away the pitchforks! We don’t even know if the doll is a recast. Furthermore, wether you individually support them or not, recasts are allowed on the arena.
Karen, whatever you decide I hope this experience doesn’t sour you on BJDs. While there are forums that are strictly anti-recast there are also plenty of places that tolerate them. You should never be made to feel ashamed for buying a doll. And that’s what it is, a doll. Not a stolen piece of the Taj Mahal :-)
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Dropping the usual warning due to the recast subject. :bunny:
Dollhouse Mod, Cherry
Karen, welcome to the wide world of Ball Jointed Dolls! :P I hope that you have enjoyed the ride so far! LOL I hate to hear that you have discovered the existence of recast dolls so unexpectedly. However, I do believe that you have a good grasp now on what you may be dealing with, both with your seller and your current dealings as well as how the community reacts when the subject is broached. Yes, ma'am, the subject of recasts is extremely controversial within the BJD community. You will find individuals with all kinds of perspectives on the subject and I personally believe the more information that is available the better advised a new collector can be when making a purchase.
As an eBay seller and buyer, I would advise you to continue to follow the course that you have chosen; contact the seller and be sure of what you have purchased. Chances are high that if you can find the same doll from a licensed company dealer and the cost is considerably higher than what you have paid, you have indeed purchased a recast doll. While it is certainly within your rights to purchase a recast doll and while you are allowed to post about it here at the Arena, as mentioned, many doll sites will not allow you to post recasts and the mere subject is often rather taboo. And, obviously, even here the subject is treated extremely carefully and nine out of ten times we moderators end up locking threads within a couple of pages because the conversations tend to get heated fairly quickly causing all types of feels for everyone. :huh:
All that being said (whew!) I do hope that you are happy with whatever outcome you end up in! Ball jointed dolls are a whole new and different type of collecting experience and for some people, BJD becomes the grail of all collections! <3 I hope that you enjoy the hobby!!
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It is rather interesting how the train sped off in one direction without 100% of the facts but it's the internet and people have feelings, passions and ideals they need to express and share. I'm not really upset, just more puzzled. It may be more the lectury feel that bothered me, I think if I were a newbie member of the arena for a few months I might take it differently.
But take into consideration I been in the MLP online collecting community since...96-97ish, been collecting ponies since 1983, have attended meet and fairs. I'm not exactly a jonny come lately to this community.
While I get the passion some are expressing and that there seems to be a need by collectors to police the system of BJD's; I'd also like a little levity given to my situation. So I do hope before more folks tell me what they think I should do or insist on me doing one thing over another that my initial request wasn't about recasts, it sort of morphed into that and while I appreciate the help the total turn of the discussion in both lecture and almost voting on what I should do seems a little excessive to me.
I'd like to thank everyone for they're input. I appreciate KCherry coming in and posting and the information y'all have imparted to me.
Let me help with a couple of things that have been reiterated a few times by multiple people: As far as BJD forums and me joining them, That more than likely isn't going to happen. So the idea of me being shunned by the doll collecting community isn't exactly high up on the list of things I'm worried about.
As far as me sharing pictures of my ponies, dolls or other toys I have in my collection, that happens from time to time but I'm a long time MLP collector and I don't generally feel the need to bombard everyone once a day with pictures of my stuff, or ask for price checks or to discuss for the 20th time which pony is my favorite. Be there done that - I pop into the forums but as most of you can notice from my post count, I'm not filling the site with posts.
Anyway, I think I can handle this situation and again I appreciate the advice but I hope people will let me deal with my own thing from here on out without feeling the need to insist I do one thing or another or decide to criticize me. If the seller gives me the info I'm requesting then it's not really anyone's business if I do or do not keep the doll.
:good:
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:hug: <3 I hope you can sort out the situation to your liking.
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Whatever you decide it is your choice. I hope you will be able to enjoy BJD's no matter what! :)
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I love dollies of all types too :) I love learning all the different details about a doll line...
And yes if she stays with you, we'd love to see some photos :)
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*hugs* I hope I wasn’t preachy, I’d hate to have hurt your feelings. I hope you enjoy your new found hobby and your ponies!