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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Firehooves on September 16, 2018, 05:25:10 PM
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Hey there, since the advent of G4, something I have been wondering about for pony collectors and fans is; how do you regard Pony friends, who are very close to the line of being ponies? Creatures like the zebras, kirin, Changelings, saddle Arabians, etc.? I know they aren't technically ponies, but would they count for most people being under the pony banner, given that sea ponies are extended that courtesy. Such as, if they were released as brushables, would they fall under the banner of ponies for most collectors, or pony pals?
Just something I was curious about...
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It's interesting to think about, but they'd probably be classified as Friends. Besides, Zigzag the zebra was released as a "friend" ;) Saddle Arabians would probably be "ponies" though. Breezies and sea ponies are a weird case but with sea "pony", it's right in the name. Flutters are not too different from regular ponies other than the fact that they have fairy wings.
And I don't think this should prevent Hasbro from ever releasing them... ;) Tbf they released Zecora ONCE and we haven't gotten any changeling brushables save for some Chrysalis Celestia recolours
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it'd be nice of Hasbro returned to their roots and gave us more of the different species and characters under the "Pony Friends" line again. Zebra, Hippogriff, Yaks, Seaponies, 80's Changelings, etc
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To me zebras, Saddle Arabians, sea ponies and flutter ponies are all related as different types of ponies. :) I’ve heard some suggest that Changelings are ponies also but they don’t look like ponies to me.
Ponyfan
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Kirin are not and will never be equine to me. I know they have various incarnations and at least in Japanese the word gets used for both unicorn and giraffe as well as proper kirin...
In Japan kirin are more deer like than equine. And from what I can see of China, they are anotger amalgamation of species.
So definitely not kirin for me.
As for the rest...flutters, wingers, sea and merponies are all fine by me. Zebras are a related species one step more distant than unicorn/earth/peg are from each other. I don't know enough about the other g4 species to comment but my understanding of the Changelings is that they are shape shifters..?
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IMO flutters, breezies, changelings, Saddle Arabians = pony, Zebras = pony friends, Kirin = somewhere in between. :B
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I don't really think about the zebras, donkeys, and hyppogriffs much.
I'm unsure about changelings. But their neutral form is equine so I guess.
Sea Ponies, Flutters, Wingers, Merponies, Breezies and Bat Ponies are ponies. End of story. They're not an accessory buddy like the pony pets, pony friends and pretty pals are.
Why wouldn't saddle arabians be ponies?
As for whats-his-face being a draconequs. It makes me wanna smack whatever idiot decided to turn an asian dragon into a chaotic dragon-horse monster and pretended that they invented the concept just for the show.
Anyone who has eyeballs knows a dragon when they see one.
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Kirin are not and will never be equine to me. I know they have various incarnations and at least in Japanese the word gets used for both unicorn and giraffe as well as proper kirin...
In Japan kirin are more deer like than equine. And from what I can see of China, they are anotger amalgamation of species.
So definitely not kirin for me.
As for the rest...flutters, wingers, sea and merponies are all fine by me. Zebras are a related species one step more distant than unicorn/earth/peg are from each other. I don't know enough about the other g4 species to comment but my understanding of the Changelings is that they are shape shifters..?
The Changelings are shape shifters but have a pony-ish form when they’re not disguised as other creatures. :)
Ponyfan
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Kirin are not and will never be equine to me. I know they have various incarnations and at least in Japanese the word gets used for both unicorn and giraffe as well as proper kirin...
In Japan kirin are more deer like than equine. And from what I can see of China, they are anotger amalgamation of species.
So definitely not kirin for me.
As for the rest...flutters, wingers, sea and merponies are all fine by me. Zebras are a related species one step more distant than unicorn/earth/peg are from each other. I don't know enough about the other g4 species to comment but my understanding of the Changelings is that they are shape shifters..?
The Changelings are shape shifters but have a pony-ish form when they’re not disguised as other creatures. :)
Ponyfan
Beetle ponies!!!
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I didn't think G1 had that many "pony friends" for the most part. And they all got only one release each. I don't count sea ponies and flutter ponies as "pony friends" though. They are ponies to me. So are Breezies... just itty bitty.
But, I would like to see G4 brushables of the Kirin. They're quite pretty and are exotic ponies in my eyes. I also think of Changlings as corrupt looking ponies.
Or... maybe I just see ponies everywhere I go. :)
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Here's a couple of pics of transformed Changelings.
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Ponyfan
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I love them and if Hasbro bothered to make them into toys I would start collecting again :P
I still want to see more zebras. And I am a bit bitter that G4 made donkeys into regular looking animals when they could have used the pony model on them as well and released a cute donkey character.
The horses, donkeys and zebras are all ponies to me. Because... well... look at some of those G4 pony designs. They look like freaks. So why not add stripes or long ears?
Changelings and Discord are both referred to as ponies in the German dub, but I refuse to see them as such. Changelings are bugdeer and Discord is a dragon.
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ehhh,
Kirin are not and will never be equine to me. I know they have various incarnations and at least in Japanese the word gets used for both unicorn and giraffe as well as proper kirin...
In Japan kirin are more deer like than equine. And from what I can see of China, they are anotger amalgamation of species.
So definitely not kirin for me.
As for the rest...flutters, wingers, sea and merponies are all fine by me. Zebras are a related species one step more distant than unicorn/earth/peg are from each other. I don't know enough about the other g4 species to comment but my understanding of the Changelings is that they are shape shifters..?
Ehhh, I agree somewhat, but I think the MLP FiM kirin look more pony than deer;
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And for me, it's a hard line to draw; the saddle Arabians greatly resemble g2 in body size and proportions. So it's a tough call.
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ehhh,Kirin are not and will never be equine to me. I know they have various incarnations and at least in Japanese the word gets used for both unicorn and giraffe as well as proper kirin...
In Japan kirin are more deer like than equine. And from what I can see of China, they are anotger amalgamation of species.
So definitely not kirin for me.
As for the rest...flutters, wingers, sea and merponies are all fine by me. Zebras are a related species one step more distant than unicorn/earth/peg are from each other. I don't know enough about the other g4 species to comment but my understanding of the Changelings is that they are shape shifters..?
Ehhh, I agree somewhat, but I think the MLP FiM kirin look more pony than deer;
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And for me, it's a hard line to draw; the saddle Arabians greatly resemble g2 in body size and proportions. So it's a tough call.
Kay so? They aren't supposed to. Looks more like its in a costume to me.
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I think of the kirin as being closely related to ponies because I played PonyIsland for years and they had kirins as a breed. :P
They also had valkyries, which I would love to see in the franchise . . . ponies with flame hair and ram horns. I guess flame hair would be a big problematic as far as toys go, though. But then again, if Trim 'n Grow Dream Beauties came with scissors, would it be soooo bad for valkyries to come with a Bic lighter? (Okay, yes it would. :P )
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I think of the kirin as being closely related to ponies because I played PonyIsland for years and they had kirins as a breed. :P
They also had valkyries, which I would love to see in the franchise . . . ponies with flame hair and ram horns. I guess flame hair would be a big problematic as far as toys go, though. But then again, if Trim 'n Grow Dream Beauties came with scissors, would it be soooo bad for valkyries to come with a Bic lighter? (Okay, yes it would. :P )
Clearly you were the reason for kids PSAs. XD
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ehhh,Kirin are not and will never be equine to me. I know they have various incarnations and at least in Japanese the word gets used for both unicorn and giraffe as well as proper kirin...
In Japan kirin are more deer like than equine. And from what I can see of China, they are anotger amalgamation of species.
So definitely not kirin for me.
As for the rest...flutters, wingers, sea and merponies are all fine by me. Zebras are a related species one step more distant than unicorn/earth/peg are from each other. I don't know enough about the other g4 species to comment but my understanding of the Changelings is that they are shape shifters..?
Ehhh, I agree somewhat, but I think the MLP FiM kirin look more pony than deer;
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And for me, it's a hard line to draw; the saddle Arabians greatly resemble g2 in body size and proportions. So it's a tough call.
Goodness, FIM smiles are so creepy annoying no matter what species they're on.
Looking at that, the ears and stuff don't make me think it's meant to be that horsey, tbh. Especially since Japanese kirin are NOT equine. Since FIM chose to use the Japanese pronuniciation for the term 麒麟, they *should* be reflecting what a kirin is in Japanese folklore, rather than across the board. SO we should probably assume it's meant to be more deer-related based on that.
Japan does use kirin キリン for giraffe as well, I think that comes from China originally, but that's clearly not as giraffe (lol). And when it gets used for unicorn its usually the western definition of a unicorn, I think.
I am pretty sure if FIM were doing their job properly, they'd know that kirin are neither horse nor deer, but if they're using the Japanese term, they're thinking more deer than horse. And that image is unclear but honestly, it's not-horse enough to make me think they were trying to go with deer. It's just that FIM ponies already look way too deer like in general, it's a lot harder to tell...
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ehhh,Kirin are not and will never be equine to me. I know they have various incarnations and at least in Japanese the word gets used for both unicorn and giraffe as well as proper kirin...
In Japan kirin are more deer like than equine. And from what I can see of China, they are anotger amalgamation of species.
So definitely not kirin for me.
As for the rest...flutters, wingers, sea and merponies are all fine by me. Zebras are a related species one step more distant than unicorn/earth/peg are from each other. I don't know enough about the other g4 species to comment but my understanding of the Changelings is that they are shape shifters..?
Ehhh, I agree somewhat, but I think the MLP FiM kirin look more pony than deer;
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And for me, it's a hard line to draw; the saddle Arabians greatly resemble g2 in body size and proportions. So it's a tough call.
Goodness, FIM smiles are so creepy annoying no matter what species they're on.
Looking at that, the ears and stuff don't make me think it's meant to be that horsey, tbh. Especially since Japanese kirin are NOT equine. Since FIM chose to use the Japanese pronuniciation for the term 麒麟, they *should* be reflecting what a kirin is in Japanese folklore, rather than across the board. SO we should probably assume it's meant to be more deer-related based on that.
Japan does use kirin キリン for giraffe as well, I think that comes from China originally, but that's clearly not as giraffe (lol). And when it gets used for unicorn its usually the western definition of a unicorn, I think.
I am pretty sure if FIM were doing their job properly, they'd know that kirin are neither horse nor deer, but if they're using the Japanese term, they're thinking more deer than horse. And that image is unclear but honestly, it's not-horse enough to make me think they were trying to go with deer. It's just that FIM ponies already look way too deer like in general, it's a lot harder to tell...
Well fim animators don't even know what a horse looks like, or a hyppogriff. So it's no surprise there.
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Looking at that, the ears and stuff don't make me think it's meant to be that horsey, tbh. Especially since Japanese kirin are NOT equine. Since FIM chose to use the Japanese pronuniciation for the term 麒麟, they *should* be reflecting what a kirin is in Japanese folklore, rather than across the board. SO we should probably assume it's meant to be more deer-related based on that.
Japan does use kirin キリン for giraffe as well, I think that comes from China originally, but that's clearly not as giraffe (lol). And when it gets used for unicorn its usually the western definition of a unicorn, I think.
I am pretty sure if FIM were doing their job properly, they'd know that kirin are neither horse nor deer, but if they're using the Japanese term, they're thinking more deer than horse. And that image is unclear but honestly, it's not-horse enough to make me think they were trying to go with deer. It's just that FIM ponies already look way too deer like in general, it's a lot harder to tell...
That's true. FIM ponies don't look like ponies. At all. So I guess that's why FIM kirin fall into the pony category for me? They look like the same animal. Like how dogs breeds can look dramatically different from each other but still be dogs. If they had made their version of a kirin look like more like how they should, I'd think differently. Same with sea ponies. They are ponies to me but the real animals are very different from each other. Fantasy versions vs. real life version?
It's not especially important to me if they're a variant of FIM pony or not. But those were my initial thoughts when I saw them. And now I've typed them out.
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They don't even look like deer. The muzzle is too short and legs to bell-bottomy. They look like apple head chihuahuas with a horses tail.
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They don't even look like deer. The muzzle is too short and legs to bell-bottomy. They look like apple head chihuahuas with a horses tail.
So I guess what we take from this discussion is that even the FIM ponies don't look like ponies so it's generally academic?
For me if they weren't trying to aim for something closer to deer with kirin, then they're just including the word for fad Japanese "cool" factor, rather than trying to share something culturally different. And I have issues with that. But to me the image looks more an attempt at a different species, even if it ultimately fails. Bluntly put, kirin aren't really meant to be 'cute' anyway...
Also every time I type it I want to capitalise the word because of the drinks company that use that name (facepalm).
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They don't even look like deer. The muzzle is too short and legs to bell-bottomy. They look like apple head chihuahuas with a horses tail.
So I guess what we take from this discussion is that even the FIM ponies don't look like ponies so it's generally academic?
For me if they weren't trying to aim for deer with kirin, then they're just including the word for fad Japanese "cool" factor, rather than trying to share something culturally different. And I have issues with that. But to me the image looks more an attempt at a different species, even if it ultimately fails. Bluntly put, kirin aren't really meant to be 'cute' anyway...
Also every time I type it I want to capitalise the word because of the drinks company that use that name (facepalm).
More or less.
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The kirin leader looked more deer-like, being more leggy. Also all the kirin did have cloven hooves.
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I just love the tails on the kirin. Unnnngh, they're so elegant and flowing.
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I think of the kirin as being closely related to ponies because I played PonyIsland for years and they had kirins as a breed. :P
They also had valkyries, which I would love to see in the franchise . . . ponies with flame hair and ram horns. I guess flame hair would be a big problematic as far as toys go, though. But then again, if Trim 'n Grow Dream Beauties came with scissors, would it be soooo bad for valkyries to come with a Bic lighter? (Okay, yes it would. :P )
oh man, Valkyries :lovey: I think they were my favourite PI species, so cuuute! Oooh - and phoenix ponies would look cute as MLPs, too... and Wishies, although they're pretty close to the G2 winged unicorns, now I think about it.. and.. /ramble
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I liked it for G1, simply because there were only a few and the focus was on ponies. I can’t stand it in G4, though. The focus seems to be less on ponies and more about the “friends” as time passes. But they have to focus on the friends, because...“diversity”. But yeah, i enjoyed the friends in G1! Not the bushwoolies, though. I never could get into the bushwoolies.
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Them's Fightin Herds incorporated different creatures into their pony-centric world. So far, the main characters are Cow, Reindeer, Unicorn, Alpaca, Sheep, and Longma. I would personally really like to see a Longma as a race in the show, especially since they recently did Kirin as a cute nod to our culture.
Longma are planned to be in G5!! One of the villains is a longma, too.
EDIT: pics I reuploaded to my blog, before the G4 kirin were revealed and nobody knew which gen these were for: http://paradise-estate.tumblr.com/post/175781293087/would-you-happen-to-have-a-link-to-the-kirin