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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: jojodeen on March 08, 2012, 02:43:03 AM
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I've been wondering about pony "genes" for a while for fun because I noticed that with the toys and in the TV shows certain ponies can only get certain kind of pony babies. For example, you never see an earth pony with a pegasus baby. In FiM Twilight Sparkle's parents were both unicorns and everyone in Applejack's family is an earth pony etc etc. It would seem like these three different pony types don't really mix. :D
If I remember correctly the G1 pony families were all earth ponies as well.
So I was wondering, what do you think would happen if a pegasus pony and an earth pony mixed? Would the babies "type" be random or are wings a dominant gene in ponies? Haha. :D Or are mixed pony couples just something that would never happen?
Back when my sister and me were small we would always couple different types of ponies up and because we thought it wasn't okay for a baby pony to have no mother we created family ties between ponies depending on what colour they were instead of type. :) Did anyone else do this as children or do you still couple certain ponies up in your shelf in a certain way?
Maybe certain ponies find only certain kinda pony types attractive and this is why all couples are only of the same type? Like you know.. in the same way Mickey Mouse isn't going out with Daisy Duck? :D
Hope this isn't totally stupid to think about. Hehe, I thought it'd be fun to discuss this for a while and see what thoughts other pony fans have. :D
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That is such an awesome question! I reckon wings would be dominant and earth recessive, unicorn probably dominant, I reckon the 'extras' are dominant? :D xxx
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That is such an awesome question! I reckon wings would be dominant and earth recessive, unicorn probably dominant, I reckon the 'extras' are dominant? :D xxx
Heh, I was thinking that as well. That the extras would be dominant. But would that mean that in the far pony future, it would be harder to come across earth ponies? Like they say about humans, that in the far future, red heads and blondes will be even rarer and more people will have black hair. :D
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Haha, that's a good point!
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Unicorn and pegasus genes are recessive, at least if looking at FiM genetics. Earth ponies Mr. and Mrs. Cake had 2 babies, one was a unicorn and the other a pegasus and they explained they had some distant relatives of those breeds in their lines.
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Ah right! I've yet to watch that episode. At least in the FiM universe mixing is something that happens. :D Interesting to think that wings and horns would be the rarer things.
Come to think of it, aren't there more earth ponies in the G3 toy line as well? :D
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Also some of the G1 TAF babies were different breed than their mothers. ;)
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I have a theory that only really applies to G1...female ponies can apparently reproduce through parthenogenesis (clone themselves) since they can have babies that are identical to them. Also, there were no unicorn or pegasis males, so I think those traits are only seen in females. Si I think the variations in ponies...unicorns, pegs, TEs, rainbow hair, TAF patterns, etc. all come from recombination of genes through regular reproduction between males and females.
FiM would be a totally different story.
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Haha, so basically, if you wanted to fill an island with ponies, all you need to do is place one female pony there and they'll fill the island with their lcones? Like a komodo dragon. :D Interesting theory but it does make sense as there are "clone babies" in G1. :D
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G3 Genetics were really questionable. If I remember, we never saw a single male pony in that line, in figures or in animation. o_O There of course wasn't any cloning either...
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I would have thought extra traits would be dominant - as flight and "winking" would prove useful escape skills in survival mode.
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I love thinking about pony families and genetics! Awesome theories so far. :)
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G3 Genetics were really questionable. If I remember, we never saw a single male pony in that line, in figures or in animation. o_O There of course wasn't any cloning either...
Well... according to that dreaded Newborn Cuties animation, Sweetie Belle was born from a double rainbow. Also, in The Runaway Rainbow, not only is the rainbow all the wrong colors, but if they don't get the first rainbow of the year to appear, Rainbow Dash's mane goes white. The only solution I can come up with is G3 ponies are made of 100% pure magic and are born in the event of a double rainbow, which is rare in their world.
Somehow the G1 magic mirror doesn't sound crazy anymore, does it?
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Well... according to that dreaded Newborn Cuties animation, Sweetie Belle was born from a double rainbow. Also, in The Runaway Rainbow, not only is the rainbow all the wrong colors, but if they don't get the first rainbow of the year to appear, Rainbow Dash's mane goes white. The only solution I can come up with is G3 ponies are made of 100% pure magic and are born in the event of a double rainbow, which is rare in their world.
Somehow the G1 magic mirror doesn't sound crazy anymore, does it?
Not at all. I never knew that. That's just... lame. Thank god the male ponies came back in G4. XD
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I think you might enjoy this a great deal! :D Someone on DA who is awesome made an illustration explaining pony genes: http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=biology+is+magic#/d4mifq4
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Fun topic! If we are going by Friendship is Magic, I would say earth ponies have dominant genes, and pegs and unis have recessive genes. So, a unicorn couple would only have unicorn babies, a pegasus couple would have pegasi babies, and earth ponies could have any race, depending on which genes the parents gave and their ancestry.
Wouldn't it be tragic if a pegasus couple had a unicorn or earth baby, and it fell through the clouds of Cloud City? I hope that's not possible!
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Wouldn't it be tragic if a pegasus couple had a unicorn or earth baby, and it fell through the clouds of Cloud City? I hope that's not possible!
Okay just scared me.... o.0
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I think you might enjoy this a great deal! :D Someone on DA who is awesome made an illustration explaining pony genes: http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=biology+is+magic#/d4mifq4 (http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=biology+is+magic#/d4mifq4)
I would like to add to their speculation about unipegs that I think it's an incomplete autosomal dominant mutation. :P
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I've seen that illustration before...the idea's OK, but their diagram of alleles on the double helix is wrong. Each allele is on a separate piece of DNA, not on one half of one piece.
Haha, so basically, if you wanted to fill an island with ponies, all you need to do is place one female pony there and they'll fill the island with their lcones? Like a komodo dragon. :D Interesting theory but it does make sense as there are "clone babies" in G1. :D
Well, that's how aphids reproduce on a plant! I actually have been working on pony taxonomy/phylogeny just because I thought it'd be amusing. Not sure when it will be finished though.
FiM's genetics I haven't thought about except that given the explanation the Cakes gave for having a unicorn and pegasus baby, I'm pretty sure they're not Mr. Cake's at all...
Also, dominant and recessive genes have nothing to do with how much the trait benefits the individual, but how the genes are expressed, which can in part be determined by how common the trail is.
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I like the FiM implication of unicism and pegasism being recessive. The reason all of Rarity's family, for example, are unicorns is similar to the Weasleys in Harry Potter all having red hair.
Maybe I'm just thinking about the unrepresented ponies, but what I want to know is if it would be possible for an earth/peg/uni to mate with a SEA PONY and have OFFSPRING by it. Obviously, the sea ponies mostly keep to themselves since they can't really survive out of water, but maybe a unicorn goes to the beach and things get out of hand? I don't like to think of Sea Ponies as completely different species, just a differently-coded pony in terms of genetics. Could the unicorn give birth to a sea pony that ends up suffocating because it can't breathe? Or vice-verse where the sea pony gives birth to a unicorn that drowns? Sea unicorn? Sea pegasus? Would a sea earth pony have a cutie mark?
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Maybe I'm just thinking about the unrepresented ponies, but what I want to know is if it would be possible for an earth/peg/uni to mate with a SEA PONY and have OFFSPRING by it. Obviously, the sea ponies mostly keep to themselves since they can't really survive out of water, but maybe a unicorn goes to the beach and things get out of hand?
I simply cannot stop laughing at this... "things get out of hand". NOT that I want to know, but... *snickergiggles*
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Unicism and pegasism? Love it!!!
Wouldn't an alicorn be a possiblity from a union between a pegasus and a unicorn?
DD creates "families" of mom/baby/sisters based either on names/colors/types of cutie marks.
I get a kick out of the Insta-families on E-bay. Genius!
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Unicism and pegasism? Love it!!!
Wouldn't an alicorn be a possiblity from a union between a pegasus and a unicorn?
DD creates "families" of mom/baby/sisters based either on names/colors/types of cutie marks.
I get a kick out of the Insta-families on E-bay. Genius!
I think alicism would be a condition that would be genetic in the same way that calico patterns are in cats. That wouldn't explain males like the prince having it, but it would explain why they're ultra rare.
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Now I'm lost. Shining Armor? Thought he was Uni.
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Now I'm lost. Shining Armor? Thought he was Uni.
No, I can't remember his name, but he was brother to Celestia and Luna. Rarity had a crush on him and tried to get to know him at the Gala, but he ended up being too snooty. Isn't Shining Armor the new toy that's coming out? That's a unicorn.
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Unicism and pegasism? Love it!!!
Wouldn't an alicorn be a possiblity from a union between a pegasus and a unicorn?
DD creates "families" of mom/baby/sisters based either on names/colors/types of cutie marks.
I get a kick out of the Insta-families on E-bay. Genius!
I think alicism would be a condition that would be genetic in the same way that calico patterns are in cats. That wouldn't explain males like the prince having it, but it would explain why they're ultra rare.
You mean it would be sex linked like red color in cats? So tortoiseshell (black+red) cats would be like unipegs in ponies?
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Something like that... I'm not sure how the calico gene works as I'm not a scientist... and I've never owned a cat. But it IS possible for calicos to be male, isn't it? Just extremely extremely rare because it's somehow linked to the sex?
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Something like that... I'm not sure how the calico gene works as I'm not a scientist... and I've never owned a cat. But it IS possible for calicos to be male, isn't it? Just extremely extremely rare because it's somehow linked to the sex?
Yes, calico/tortie can be a male but it's quite rare. It can be caused by 2 different things but that's quite hard to explain in english. The red color is linked to X chromosome (females are XX and males normally XY, tortie males sometimes XXY).
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That's right. It's been a long time since high school science class. =p