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« on: November 28, 2019, 05:05:21 PM »
I am more than sure that I'm going to get some push back on this, but refusing to use new terminology is like using old definitions for words. The point is that symbol is a general, unofficial term, not specified for any generation. It’s not “old terminology”. It can be used for pretty much every pony. (Using symbol because it’s a common one)
We weren't talking about the word symbol. We were talking about the term cutie mark which is, as I am now understanding it are only for the newer generation. Are there any objections to me using RUMP DESIGN to mean the unique markings on MLP butts for ALL generations?? No??? Who’s forcing you to use and not use certain language? We can’t control you.
Being told that if I use that term people are going to assume I am something I'm not and that I apparently don't want to be considered as is in fact controlling. Cause having to call them something different for each generation is really really silly. Not to mention annoying as all heck. I don’t find it annoying at all. Sprinkles has ducks for a symbol. Sunset Shimmer’s cutie mark is fittingly a sun. You don’t have to use different terms, either? I’ve also never met a collector who doesn’t know what those terms mean. Call them whatever you want, though. Again, no one is forcing you. You seem to have that idea.
So is Sprinkles G1? and what about Sunset Shimmer? G3? G4? I don't know either of these ponies off the top of my head they way a lot of you older collectors do. By older I am talking about the ones who have been doing this steadily for years. Unlike me who while I started in 2010, it wasn't until 2018 that got me back here and interested again. DO not forget that you cannot assume everyone knows what you do about anything. That really seems to be something many are forgetting. What you call a biscuit, someone else calls a cookie. Again, the information is readily available. It’s not our fault that you apparently didn’t look.
Okay, no room for new people. Got it. Moving on then. Seriously. That is how that came across. If you didn't take the time to learn, what are you doing here? Uh. Here to learn, here to share the love of MLP and get news on retros, sorry I don't know every single thing already in my 9 years of casual collecting. Did not see that in the rules when joining MLP Arena. Look I am sorry I used cutie mark to describe a G1 rump design. Really I am, didn't know that was taboo. But hey, I'm learning.
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« on: November 28, 2019, 11:50:18 AM »
It's as though there's a belief that the first ever male pony fans happened in G4 - well, they didn't. It's as though MLP didn't have adult fans until G4. Well, they did. It's as though G4 created a MLP following - well, it both did and it didn't, depending on your angle, but it didn't invent the idea of a MLP fan community.
I thought they were talking about fans of the SHOW not the actual ponies themselves. They made a big deal about adult men liking cartoons. Because apparently they know nothing of anime....which isn't just cartoons.
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« on: November 28, 2019, 11:44:16 AM »
Rebranding happens quite a bit actually. Applejack was rebranded. And obviously so are all the retros. Rebranding is when a toy is re-released in new or slightly altered packaging attributed to a different franchise, or is released in packaging attributed to a different franchise than originally intended.
I am more than sure that I'm going to get some push back on this, but refusing to use new terminology is like using old definitions for words.
Example: the word meat used to refer to food in general — solid food of a variety of kinds not just animal flesh.
Some 500 years ago, flirting was flicking something away or flicking open a fan or otherwise making a brisk or jerky motion. Now it involves playing with people’s emotions sometimes it may feel like your heart is getting jerked around in the process.
Long ago, if you were naughty, you had naught or nothing. Then it came to mean evil or immoral, and now you are just badly behaved.
BUT before anyone puffs up, I do know that collecting is so much different than language. And in the end all rules are made by the collector not the toy makers or designers.
Are there any objections to me using RUMP DESIGN to mean the unique markings on MLP butts for ALL generations??
Cause having to call them something different for each generation is really really silly. Not to mention annoying as all heck.
The biggest problem with all of the objections to cutie mark, is that new collectors of any generation may not connect any old terminology (unless they are seriously obvious like rump design) to what you are talking about because they only know the new terminology.
You really carve out anyone who hasn't made collecting and information gathering about MLP their whole lives and set them aside and make them feel like outsiders. I certainly do and I've been collecting since 2010. You try and tell them that they can't call something by this term less they are branded a brony or are assumed to be something, insert whatever here. When really they just don't know any other terms. I never knew Rump Designs were a thing until I watched TTTMU. I've only even known cutie mark.
DO not forget that you cannot assume everyone knows what you do about anything. That really seems to be something many are forgetting. What you call a biscuit, someone else calls a cookie. Also keep in mind that not everyone shares your opinion. TO me G2s are not My Little Ponies. But neither are G4s. Not everyone has experienced the toxic collector so are taken back when it's applied to them, seemingly at random.
I don't know all of the types of ponies that were ever made, I know of a lot of them as they are on my wish list. I know many of the G3s but only by names and play sets as I am not aware of any types (by types I'm talking Twinkle Eyes, Tropical Ponies, Carousel Ponies - my favorites and still looking for some). And I know absolutely nothing about the newer generations created after 2009 or the G2s.
I have not experienced any "My generation is the only true generation, blah, blah, blah." types of collectors. That's just silly (interestingly silly used to refer to things worthy or blessed; from there it came to refer to the weak and vulnerable, and more recently to those who are foolish).
I'm not pointing fingers but am using the word 'you' as a generalize term.
If any of my replies sound sort of disconnected it's because I'm in Mexico and am constantly being pulled away and coming back to hopefully pick up the train of thought. Doesn't always work and I can end up scattered. Also, to all the US ponies, Happy Thanksgiving.
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« on: November 27, 2019, 02:32:24 PM »
Wait, wait, wait, wait!!!!!!
When did cutie mark become brony terminology? We just watched a show where they said the official term for the unique paintings on their butt as cutie mark. They didn't specify what generation that term is used for, so one can assume it's for ALL generations. I know very little about bronies and use that term.
No, we didn't. We watched a show that talked about the term being introduced for later generations.
Rump design appeared on G1 cards. Cutie mark on G3 cards. It's as simple as that. It's not an argument or an insult, it's a statement of provable fact. Those were the terms Hasbro used for each generation.
Actually if you look at the show, starting at 35:29, they talk about how rump design was rebranded to cutie mark. And this was shortly after Lauren ruined revamped the line with Friendship is Magic. Which I do believe is the G4-ish line? visitors can't see pics , please register or loginvisitors can't see pics , please register or loginvisitors can't see pics , please register or loginBefore the CM term existed, the term rump mark did get discussion here in the community. CM only became a thing for G4, hence why it's considered brony terminology. I never said the bronies invented it - I said quite clearly it was official, but only post G3. It's mostly used by bronies.
I collect G1 and early G3 ponies and have from day one called them cutie marks. Not sure where I picked it up, but I didn't know about G3 when I first started looking at G1 again. Obviously if a generation predates a term then using it is anachronistic.
Also, the implication anyone in the community here would not talk to or trade with a person because they used CM is ridiculous. Nobody is going to do that. On the contrary, people are more likely to give you more information than you need because they assume you're still learning about older MLP, rather than the opposite.
I got some flack at first talking about cutie marks. Possibly not on here, haven't ran into anyone trying to flog me for using outdated terminology that I can remember. The nub of this is that I am a detail geek, and I like facts. Which is why I read your posts so carefully and tend to answer them the most. I get loads of information like this, even if it pisses people off. I don't have a problem with you choosing what terms you use (although you will create misconceptions with people here, it can't be helped, it's just how things are). I don't jump on every post made by someone using CM, even if I don't like it. It's not that which prompted me to reply to you.
I had some problems with the tone of this remark:
I've always called them cutie marks, and those here who argue that is not at all what those are called can kiss it as it was called cutie marks in the show!
Aside the fact nobody has ever claimed CM didn't exist as a term, this isn't exactly respectful.
You do have me there. I have removed the word 'here' as I don't think it was any pony here who jumped all over me about the term, I just remember someone attacking me about it. And if I remember correctly of that attack, they were quite insistent that cutie mark was NEVER EVER EVER what they were known as any where. And even if TTTMU had stated 'this is now the official and only term for all pony markings ever' (which it didn't), I am not quite sure why you think that would matter or carry any weight in the collector discussion. It wasn't generally a treasure trove of hidden secrets. It was a general show for a general audience. That means it generalised. It can't supersede what was actually written on pony cards in a time before the CM term even existed.
Okay so I get it wasn't a treasure trove of secrets for YOU. There were plenty in that I never knew before. Including who to err... thank for G4 and FiM and the current stuff. I don't have many ponies that still have cards. I do have some Easter G3 still Mint in Egg but they've been packed away for five years now so I can't run to them to read.  The only thing I took from the show regarding markings was the surprising affirmation that rump design was apparently an American term, not a UK concept. Otherwise it told us nothing we didn't already know - that CM was invented later for a later iteration of the toy.
There's that WE again. I don't think it even needs to go down to the way bronies behaved here after FIM first began. That's another subject altogether. But it may have something to do with why the term CM is so unsavoury to a lot of older gen collectors. I don't know. I just personally find it stupid. It doesn't trigger me as much as words like pegasister, everypony and the idea that Tales is G2. It's just a silly word. If you had said it in a general post about something I would've ignored it.
But I would definitely have read the 'so kiss it' comment as the work of a snarky brony, had you not made it clear in the rest of your post you collected G1.
That's how bronies generally speak to older pony collectors about their pre-g4 terms.
This is my full knowledge of Brony: A guy of any age who loves MLP. From what I've read from you however, there is more to it, perhaps even just a generation of pony that's loved not MLP in general and that the guys sound pretty freaking immature. I admit fully the "Kiss it" remark was quite immature, but I really don't like FiM at all or the current ponies or the line since 2009 (not counting the retros of course) I believe. I don't mean any disrespect by anything I say. Sounds like there's a lot of bad thoughts and feelings around the usage of cutie mark due to the group of people who use it the most. Which is sad. On all sorts of levels it's sad. Sad that a group could make two words have such negativity for so many. Sad that anyone who uses it gets lumped into that group even if they are completely clueless of what said group did and said. I think like Wardah, I like the word design more than symbol, but we've already established to each their own and apparently one needs to stay on their toes when using terminology.
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« on: November 27, 2019, 09:25:54 AM »
Oh no no no no! I didn't find anything insulting. Intriguing actually. It's just a precedent that was set in the early community, I imagine. I do attribute it to Bronies because of the prevalence of the term in FiM and that there is the tendency to try to look at previous gens through the same lens as FiM in that the symbol/CM/RD must have some occupational/passion-linked significance (similarly to the G2/MLPT thing).
I did not read Taffeta's message as insulting towards you. I did not live through the influx of Bronies in the 2010's on the collecting community but I can imagine that the time period left a bit of an impression on many of the people who've been here for a while.
I hope I'm articulating myself correctly, ha.
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« on: November 27, 2019, 09:13:42 AM »
Wait, wait, wait, wait!!!!!! When did cutie mark become brony terminology? We just watched a show where they said the official term for the unique paintings on their butt as cutie mark. They didn't specify what generation that term is used for, so one can assume it's for ALL generations. I know very little about bronies and use that term. Personally I find it absolutely silly to get worked up over a term. Use, don't use it, what does it matter? Knowing the terminology in collecting does not make or break you as a collector. I'm not going to refuse to do business with anyone because of what they call the designs. As long as I know what you're talking about, all is brilliant. I will find it very insulting if someone uses my terminology to determine what type of a collector I am and assume I don't know my stuff. My golden rule in life, is where ever and when ever possible; don't assume things. Which is why I ask a lot of questions, make a lot of statements and get a lot of information. I may not know everything there is to know about my herd of ponies, but I can tell you for all certainty what you just dug up is a chicken bone, not an ancient thigh bone of some now extinct animal. 
As for using the term CM - I think you can use it as you like for your own collection, but it isn't commonly used among pre-G3 collectors and in this space very little at all. Honestly, I would assume someone using it for their ponies was either a brony or didn't know much about MLP yet, because of using brony terminology.
Especially on the Arena, since many G1 fans here have said in the past they dislike the term being used on a generation that existed before Hasbro created it.
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« on: November 26, 2019, 12:31:14 PM »
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« on: November 26, 2019, 10:49:12 AM »
I posted this in a thread I started about Wingless Firefly World's Smallest MLP because I did a search and this thread didn't come up, so if you don't mind (and sadly even if you do) I'm gonna just drop my thoughts here: My top take-away is RUMP DESIGNS!!! I've always called them cutie marks, and those who argue that is not at all what those are called can kiss it as it was called cutie marks in the show! Although Taffeta did give me a lesson that they were pretty much dubbed rump designs in the UK and were even on marketing material. I did not know this.   I was happy to find out why there were washers in the G1 ponies. They sort of pushed that joke to the limit however. And then toppled off the edge like a G1 with no washers. *cough* Feed the Beast was FREAKING ANNOYING.  Crack Pipe Pony!! I NEVER saw those before! And of course now I want them. I was annoyed also at that they touched on how G2 don't look like ponies but completely ignored the fact that the current ponies ARE NOT PONIES EITHER. Yes, unpopular opinion I have is that if it doesn't looking like a pony in shape, it is not a pony. Bubble heads, huge eyes and making them into humans, no thanks. And yes, I would have bought ponies that were marked like real life ponies. I was sort of drooling over that pure black one and brown and white one Bonnie was holding in the beginning. I think it says something that these dolls lasted for YEARS without an actual story. Lauren, in my opinion didn't make things better. I haven't watched the FiM show at all because the ponies have bloated heads and there is only ONE of the originals. Yeah, it's nice that Rainbow Dash was based on badass Firefly, Pinkie Pie based on perky Surprise, Rarity based on fashionista Sparkler, Fluttershy based on gentle Posey, Twilight Sparkle based on Twilight and of course AppleJack is the only one to remain, but got cowboyed up. Could have easily used all the originals and STILL had these other ponies. Sort of surprised they didn't touch more on Meghan to be honest. I LOVED seeing the collections at the end and know a few of you guys made it in there so congrats!! Ponies Forever  
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« on: November 26, 2019, 10:28:50 AM »
I never had a name for them when I was growing up. Didn't put any thought into it so I had no idea what they were called. I've gotten some flack for calling the butt designs cutie marks in the past so I was really laughing when the show said they were now dubbed cutie marks. I guess with the lack of "rules" for MLP we could call them just about anything we wanted since no one really weighed in too heavily with it beyond the examples you've shown Taffeta. Thanks for the history lesson! Detail geek with obligatory correction note.
In Generation 1 Hasbro actually marketed the symbols as 'Rump Designs'. It mostly appears on UK promotion material (I grew up calling them rump marks because of that) but its inclusion in the documentary demonstrates it came from the US mothership originally.
For example:
Nobody in the community denies the term cutie mark exists, just that it doesn't apply pre G3, which is a: fact, and b: supported by the documentary describing its introduction.
Collectors mostly just agreed that symbol was the most generic and easiest way to refer to those things prior to G3 happening, but the correct term for them in G1 is rump mark/rump design.
Post Merge: November 26, 2019, 10:36:42 AMWell would you look at that! When I did a search I couldn't find that one. I kept getting this one "The Toys That Made Us”. Even more Interviews among various other offerings that had nothing to do with the show. Thanks for sharing that one. Oh, good point. My interests stop at G3, who also have hoof hearts - as if you all didn't know already - and never thought about them like beauty marks or anything. The rump designs are a bit too purposeful to be anything like a beauty mark, and one could I suppose argue so are the hoof hearts, but with the hoof hearts they all had the same design- a heart - so it was closer to a beauty mark than the different designs on the butt would be. And now I'm rambling. Sorry.  Those crazy Animaniacs! The thread for Toys That Made Us isn't locked, though? 
I think "rump design" wasn't as well-known a term when "symbol" was coined, and IIRC "cutie mark" didn't really catch on until G4 because initially no one was sure if it referred to the rump symbol or the hoof heart? And by the time that was straightened out, everyone was more used to "symbol". Or something.
Personally I just think "cutie mark" sounds ridiculously stupid (always have done, in fact - Animaniacs used the term far before MLP did, and I disliked it there, too ) so that's why I prefer "symbol".
Ragamuffin, that photo is SO CUTE omg!!!! I didn't realize they were Sylvanian sized!! aaaaaaAAAAA!!!! 
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« on: November 26, 2019, 10:21:47 AM »
Holy crap. I pulled all my photos off of Photobucket awhile ago as I was WAY over their new free account limit. Got so tired of getting the nagging emails about being over the limit and pulled them. I use flickr now and they don't seem to be too bad. I also don't do nearly the amount of photo work now as I did back then. And as a side note, what's going on with pictures hosted by photobucket?? They're blurry and have a photobucket logo on them and look horrible!
Photobucket changed its terms of service two years ago to where in order to hotlink images to other sites (so, embed them here or anyplace else), you have to pay a $399 a year subscription fee. When this was free before. So everyone had to jump ship and use other sites, and now Photobucket images embedded in other places no longer appear due to this TOS update.
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« on: November 25, 2019, 06:41:42 PM »
Didn't know about these and went and searched them and saw this. WHAT happened to Firefly's wings??! Are they actually missing on the toy itself? Additionally, who did the photoshop work on these cause it is triggering me so bad! visitors can't see pics , please register or loginAnd can I just talk about 'The Toys That Made Us', or is that taboo as all the threads about it are locked? My top take-away is RUMP DESIGNS!!! I've always called them cutie marks, and those here who argue that is not at all what those are called can kiss it as it was called cutie marks in the show! I was happy to find out why there were washers in the G1 ponies. They sort of pushed that joke to the limit however. Feed the Beast was FREAKING ANNOYING. Crack Pipe Pony!! I was annoyed also at that they touched on how G2 don't look like ponies but completely ignored the fact that the current ponies ARE NOT PONIES EITHER. Yes, unpopular opinion I have is that if it doesn't looking like a pony in shape, it is not a pony. Bubble heads, huge eyes and making them into humans, no thanks. And yes, I would have bought ponies that were marked like real life ponies. I was sort of drooling over that pure black one and brown and white one Bonnie was holding in the beginning. I think it says something that these dolls lasted for YEARS without an actual story. Lauren, in my opinion didn't make things better. I haven't watched the FiM shows all because the ponies have bloated heads and has only ONE of the original. Yeah, it's nice that Rainbow Dash was based on badass Firefly, Pinkie Pie based on perky Surprise, Rarity based on fashionista Sparkler, Fluttershy based on gentle Posey, Twilight Sparkle based on Twilight and of course AppleJack is the only one to remain, but got cowboyed up. Could have easily used all the originals and STILL had these other ponies. Sort of surprised they didn't touch more on Meghan to be honest. I LOVED seeing the collections at the end and know a few of you guys made it in there so congrats!! Ponies Forever
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« on: November 25, 2019, 05:55:23 PM »
*dusts self off* Wow. Just spent the last couple of days reading this whole thread and wow. Since I spend so much time in Mexico digging in the dirt I get so very behind on my pony collecting. I am glad to see not many have been released lately, but am really excited for the rumored ponies to come! Currently I am missing Glory, Moondancer, Firefly, Starflower, Tickle, Trickels, Confetti, Fluttershy, Pinwheel, Stranger Things Applejack, SDCC Majesty and any Retro G3 (WHA??? When did this happen and what ponies are out?). I actually bought a ST Applejack, but there was a rash of porch pirates in our area when it was delivered so I never got it and was told they were sold out.  I know I can buy them online, I even have them all in my Target and Amazon baskets, but for me it's just not the same as finding them in the wild. For me that's part of the fun for the whole retro thing. Going around and finding them in the wild, corralling them and taming them. LOL. I've found some ponies at Kohl's in my area a while back. I was really confused about what it was doing there and wondered if Target was sending some of their clearance to Kohl's for some reason, but some of you are saying they are popping up in other stores as well, which I find interesting. I kept away from Target my last trip to the US because I had no money and this would be about the time I'd find the ponies I'm missing and then have to be heartbroken because I had to spend all my money fixing my car so that I can get around the continent. Anyone see any Posey, Lickety-Split, Cherries Jubilee and Tootsie on shelves since achab1984's post mentioned them coming out in August/September 2019? And as a side note, what's going on with pictures hosted by photobucket?? They're blurry and have a photobucket logo on them and look horrible!
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« on: March 24, 2019, 09:45:30 AM »
They have them on the checklist feature on MLPMerch too.
I noticed that they had that, but it's really unusable in my opinion. That is the site I used to make sure I had all the ponies listed.
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« on: March 23, 2019, 12:03:50 PM »
I searched around and couldn't find one for the Retros, so I created my own due to the simple fact that I am loosing track of the ponies that are out!!! I live most of the time in Cuernavaca Mexico so I am not around when new series come out and when I get to the US I can't remember the ones I should be looking for.   It's in Excel format and I've added extra formatted cells that are blank for future entries. Easy to fill out, to check mark them just type the letter a in the 'Own' column and it will add a check mark. PLEASE let me know if I happen to be missing any ponies on the list!! I'll keep it updated if someone keeps ME updated! If there already is a checklist out there, please let me know! Retro My Little Pony ChecklistThank you lovelies!
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« on: December 25, 2018, 07:59:38 AM »
Woke up this morning to a Christmas tree decorated with Second Wave Ponies!! visitors can't see pics , please register or loginStarshine is at the top because she's got the star.  There is also a Blue Belle on the tree, but I bought her for my mom. And of course there's the Pretty Parlor under the tree. Happy Christmas Ponies! Have a wonderfully marvelous day!!
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