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Title: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: heftysmurf76 on October 23, 2019, 07:43:08 PM
I'm surprised I haven't seen anything recent about this on here, but it's being discussed in several groups on FB and on instagram that some evidence has been brought to light regarding Tina, the owner of DollyHair possibly having ties to some white supremacy groups. I thought it was important to make the pony community here aware...

The link with the best/most information on this is the Bad B/S/T/ group and Robin Black's personal page.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/284497518615731/permalink/948276658904477/

"...this information spread very quickly once it resurfaced (I was not aware of it until today but there is information from a few years ago mentioning it). You are most definitely free to make your own decisions on this matter. No one is going to force you to believe something. This was posted here to make you aware that this is out there. You can read all of the comments that were posted on the OP. Tina has also responded in the OP as well."
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"EDIT 4:30PM CST:
Some people have accused me of witch hunting, which is not my intention. My intention is sharing information, and the screenshots below (save for the last one from my own email) are visible for public viewing with a simple google search. As soon as I learned her facebook name, I tagged Tina and asked for her input on this, which she has responded to in the comments below. If you are unable to see that, the short version is that Tina states she has been aware of these posts in her name for years now but says she was not the one who posted them. She states it could have been her ex-husband or a competitor intent on slandering her. I personally am skeptical of this defense but as far as I know there is no way to prove, one way or another, which side is true. Someone has suggested setting up a donation button on her site for an anti-hate organization or group and she seems pretty receptive to that idea.
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Original post 8:30AM CST:

Public post - feel free to share.

MLP/MH/Barbie and other doll collectors & customisers, you need to hear this.

It's going around Tumblr that Tina, owner of dollyhair, is a white supremacist. Back in 2007 she was posting on the nazi forum Stormfront, created by the KKK Grand Wizard. She was advocating for a whites only community and refusing to sell property or do business with non-whites. Those 2 screenshots are from the Tumblr post.

Before sharing this info, I wanted to be ABSOLUTELY sure that the email ties back to Tina, so I did a little research myself, and found that she used that email both in response to a negative review in 2012 as well as on her own business website. Furthermore I searched my own email and came up with old dollyhair purchase confirmations.

It is definitely her. Dollyhair supports segregation and illegal racial discrimination. Is this somebody you want to do business with?"
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: AnnaPommes on October 23, 2019, 11:22:52 PM
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I personally am skeptical of this defense but as far as I know there is no way to prove, one way or another, which side is true.

i think this sums it up pretty well.

this is a highly sad story and i am shocked by who made the post on the naziforum to come up with this nonsense. (whoever wrote this, tina or her husband or somebody else)

i hope that more things come up to maybe reveal the truth, but i guess that is not a thing an internet community can do?

if she really did not wrote this, i hope she has legal ways to find out who did and that whoever wrote this has to see the consequences.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Minty_Magic on October 24, 2019, 12:33:38 AM
I saw this earlier this year when I was just starting customization and trying to figure out where to buy doll hair from. I saw her defense at the time, but I was skeptical as well. It seems like a really subtle, weird way to try and slander someone, but who knows.

If I’m being honest though this was only a small part in me deciding to not do business with Dollyhair. From some old threads here and some other reviews I’ve read it seems like the owners customer service skills are really hit and miss. Her responses in the threads always seemed overly defensive (and frankly sounded A LOT like her defense with this scandal) and not very apologetic to the customer who were left waiting for hair. Overall I just wasn’t impressed.

Obviously I haven’t been doing customs for long at all and don’t have any strong ties to her shop like some customers do. I know Dollyhair is well respected in the community, and allegedly has the best quality hair, but I’d rather support a shop that seems to care about their customers. I’ve bought from both Retrodolls and Dollplanet and they were awesome to work with, and I thought the hair quality was pretty good! :)
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 24, 2019, 10:27:45 AM
Here's the reason "it was my ex husband or a competitor" doesn't make sense to me.

Ex-husband excuse:

1.  The posts don't use her real name.  If you were trying to smear someone in real life, you would use their real name and really specific details about their life, details that only DollyHair (and people close to her in real life--like ex-husband) would know.  You wouldn't count on real life people knowing her email.

2.  The account was made in 2005 . . . but the two posts we have screenshots from are from 2007.  So the husband made the account and then waited two years to start a smear campaign?  Doesn't make sense.

3.  She said she was going through a bitter custody battle, but the posts talk about "my FUTURE children".  So either she & hubby did not have kids at the time, or this was a misrepresentation.  If they didn't have kids: how could these posts be used in custody battle?  Did the husband just have a really good crystal ball?

4.  She says she went through a bitter divorce, and probably she did.   But not until 2012 (according to her).  And the posts are from 2007. So again . . . husband with crystal ball?


Moving on. The "it was a bitter competitor" excuse:

1.  Racist posts made in 2007.  But aren't found and screenshotted by the doll hair buying community until 2015 . . . eight years later.  Wow!  That hypothetical competitor has a real problem with procrastination!

2.   Just as the screenshots are being made public . . . the owner of the racist account changes its settings to make the profile not viewable.  That doesn't make sense if it was someone else, out to tarnish her name.


DH has always had a lot of customer service problem--not sending hair, sending the wrong hair, not sending refunds, not answering emails for months at a time, and at one point consistently shorting people on hair.  And somehow someone else is always to blame . . . her assistant, her ex-husband, the postal service, or the customers themselves. 

I guess what I'm saying is, I was very shocked when I came across those screenshots.  But at the same time . . . it does fit a pattern.  Of blaming other people for life's problems.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: BlackCurtains on October 24, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
Thanks for posting this.

I'm actually not surprised. It was around the same time she left very transphobic comments on an old MLPTP thread, she intentionally misgendered someone even after being politely told not to. She used the same excuse then, that it was someone else and oh the comments were so old anyway why care. Blaming someone else is her go-to excuse.

I haven't done business with her in years and we've had it out on the forums before (she blamed her sister that time). She's also wrong in that you can ONLY get nice nylon matching hair from her site. Totally false. RetroDolls US has exact matching colors and is a lovely quality. There is really no reason to keep buying hair from her.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on October 24, 2019, 12:09:06 PM
I'm actually not surprised. It was around the same time she left very transphobic comments on an old MLPTP thread, she intentionally misgendered someone even after being politely told not to. She used the same excuse then, that it was someone else and oh the comments were so old anyway why care. Blaming someone else is her go-to excuse.
Oh jeez, really? I had no clue, ugh, that's so gross.
If her defense was an apology rather than to blame I would be able to believe her (well, depending on what the apology was), but since she's done no such thing I can't say I'll be ordering from her again.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on October 24, 2019, 02:08:32 PM
Thanks for posting this.

I'm actually not surprised. It was around the same time she left very transphobic comments on an old MLPTP thread, she intentionally misgendered someone even after being politely told not to. She used the same excuse then, that it was someone else and oh the comments were so old anyway why care. Blaming someone else is her go-to excuse.

I haven't done business with her in years and we've had it out on the forums before (she blamed her sister that time). She's also wrong in that you can ONLY get nice nylon matching hair from her site. Totally false. RetroDolls US has exact matching colors and is a lovely quality. There is really no reason to keep buying hair from her.

Oof yikes! Yeah, she sounds like an overall nasty person. In addition to what LadyMoondancer said regarding the excuses, the defense she tried making on the review site the screenshots were posted on also refer to the site as an "Aryan Unity" forum, which as LadyMoondancer did mention on her blog, sounds like what a white supremacist would call themselves to make it sound "nicer". Definitely don't believe her defense when she uses that term in her defense post rather than "white supremacist" or "neo-Nazi".
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on October 24, 2019, 02:31:16 PM
Very very sad to learn this information. I know I'm not the only one who was a loyal customer to this person for a long while, so I imagine others are feeling the betrayal I am. I'm so grateful that this information has been given light. People deserve to know something like this. Thank you.

I'm actually not surprised. It was around the same time she left very transphobic comments on an old MLPTP thread, she intentionally misgendered someone even after being politely told not to.

This, too, as somebody who is trans IRL and has many trans loved ones as well. How unfortunate.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair\'s owner...Racial bias?
Post by: caseysealia on October 24, 2019, 03:03:46 PM
Thanks for posting this.

I'm actually not surprised. It was around the same time she left very transphobic comments on an old MLPTP thread, she intentionally misgendered someone even after being politely told not to. She used the same excuse then, that it was someone else and oh the comments were so old anyway why care. Blaming someone else is her go-to excuse.

I haven't done business with her in years and we've had it out on the forums before (she blamed her sister that time). She's also wrong in that you can ONLY get nice nylon matching hair from her site. Totally false. RetroDolls US has exact matching colors and is a lovely quality. There is really no reason to keep buying hair from her.
Which thread was this? How long ago? Yikes just own up to it man. I suppose if she doesn't care why would she.  :mad: :(

Post Merge: October 24, 2019, 03:08:22 PM

Here's the reason "it was my ex husband or a competitor" doesn't make sense to me.

Ex-husband excuse:

1.  The posts don't use her real name.  If you were trying to smear someone in real life, you would use their real name and really specific details about their life, details that only DollyHair (and people close to her in real life--like ex-husband) would know.  You wouldn't count on real life people knowing her email.

2.  The account was made in 2005 . . . but the two posts we have screenshots from are from 2007.  So the husband made the account and then waited two years to start a smear campaign?  Doesn't make sense.

3.  She said she was going through a bitter custody battle, but the posts talk about "my FUTURE children".  So either she & hubby did not have kids at the time, or this was a misrepresentation.  If they didn't have kids: how could these posts be used in custody battle?  Did the husband just have a really good crystal ball?

4.  She says she went through a bitter divorce, and probably she did.   But not until 2012 (according to her).  And the posts are from 2007. So again . . . husband with crystal ball?


Moving on. The "it was a bitter competitor" excuse:

1.  Racist posts made in 2007.  But aren't found and screenshotted by the doll hair buying community until 2015 . . . eight years later.  Wow!  That hypothetical competitor has a real problem with procrastination!

2.   Just as the screenshots are being made public . . . the owner of the racist account changes its settings to make the profile not viewable.  That doesn't make sense if it was someone else, out to tarnish her name.


DH has always had a lot of customer service problem--not sending hair, sending the wrong hair, not sending refunds, not answering emails for months at a time, and at one point consistently shorting people on hair.  And somehow someone else is always to blame . . . her assistant, her ex-husband, the postal service, or the customers themselves. 

I guess what I'm saying is, I was very shocked when I came across those screenshots.  But at the same time . . . it does fit a pattern.  Of blaming other people for life's problems.
Oh wow so they hid the profile as well? This is the first I've heard of that. Was that the first time this got leaked or this recent time?
This is so messy, sad and just......Totally disturbing. She sounds...Kinda insane to me. She made a comment on it on tumblr in case that wasn't known
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: brightberry on October 24, 2019, 03:22:38 PM
This all very disturbing.  I hate that people who think like that exist.   -_-

I don't buy doll hair to begin with... but wow.  Just wow.  I might believe that the company was using just one email account and someone with access thought that this was somehow alright. But that wasn't her defense so... don't know what to think.  This is depressing.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: BlackCurtains on October 24, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
Which thread was this? How long ago?

It was a post on the old MLPTP forum which as far as I know was never archived. It had come up in a thread on the Arena too but unfortunately those archives aren't available either right now (I get a password input prompt when I click on the link).

The original post was from around the same time, 2006-7.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: caseysealia on October 24, 2019, 03:28:20 PM
Which thread was this? How long ago?

It was a post on the old MLPTP forum which as far as I know was never archived. It had come up in a thread on the Arena too but unfortunately those archives aren't available either right now (I get a password input prompt when I click on the link).

The original post was from around the same time, 2006-7.
I'm quite curious about it so that's disappointing.  Apparently this was also addressed in a thread on the MLPTP back in 2015, but nothing came of that
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: heftysmurf76 on October 24, 2019, 07:41:14 PM
I'm glad the info was helpful :)

This is so messy, sad and just......Totally disturbing. She sounds...Kinda insane to me. She made a comment on it on tumblr in case that wasn't known
a newer comment? i haven't seen hide nor hair of her in over 24 hours...
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: freezestime on October 24, 2019, 08:11:43 PM
Oh jesus, I was planning on buying from them this Christmas! Glad I know now, anybody else got alternative sites? I know of an aus IG seller that deals in hair, I know there's more hair sellers but I can't lay my finger on their names.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: heftysmurf76 on October 24, 2019, 08:19:30 PM
Oh jesus, I was planning on buying from them this Christmas! Glad I know now, anybody else got alternative sites? I know of an aus IG seller that deals in hair, I know there's more hair sellers but I can't lay my finger on their names.
Retro dolls us, is one, there's a page with links to alternatives let me see if I can get it for you

EDIT; Well I can't find the one I thought was up to date (most of the sites still endorse dollyhair) but anotehr one is http://stores.restoredoll.com/ and Doll Planet is one I know of as well :)
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 24, 2019, 08:45:12 PM
Vampfyrefay on Tumblr made a great list of alternatives! :)

https://vampyrefay.tumblr.com/post/188510375596/alternatives-to-dollyhairs-site
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: heftysmurf76 on October 24, 2019, 10:13:37 PM
Vampfyrefay on Tumblr made a great list of alternatives! :)

https://vampyrefay.tumblr.com/post/188510375596/alternatives-to-dollyhairs-site
that was the one i was thinking of! Tumblr is so confusing to me i swear!
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: freezestime on October 24, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Vampfyrefay on Tumblr made a great list of alternatives! :)

https://vampyrefay.tumblr.com/post/188510375596/alternatives-to-dollyhairs-site
that was the one i was thinking of! Tumblr is so confusing to me i swear!

Thank you friends! Now I just gotta look for matching colours!

Edit: Oh I think that's the Australian IG/Etsy seller I was thinking of!
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Shaz on October 25, 2019, 01:11:38 AM
I feel sort of guilty for all the times I've bought hair from her and been happy with the service. I won't be buying from her again now I know about this.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: serena-hime on October 25, 2019, 02:04:36 AM
Hi guys,

Wow, I can't believe I still have an account on here! Or that I even remembered the login name lol. Some of you might know me as Dollsorwhatever on Tumblr and IG, I'm not really hugely in the MLP hobby (I just literally own like seven Fluttershy dolls lol) but I thought I would just add a little note here (as I did on Tumblr) about the alternative nylon sources-

TheDollPlanet does not sell nylon, I'm not sure why they're labeling it nylon (I think they also call it something like 'Silk nylon' lol), but it's actually (I believe) PET hair; this is the kind of fiber used on heat-resisting BJD wigs. It's not bad hair, but it looks and behaves in a completely different way than nylon and isn't as shiny or luxurious as nylon. Not looking to disparage that company but figured that since we're sharing alternatives that I'd provide some input on that one in particular because I don't want anyone to purchase from them under the impression that they're getting nylon and end up with something else.

I'm sure most of you already know that Restoredoll's 'nylon' is nasty polypropylene, and the 'premium nylon' is real nylon, but thought I'd add that as well.

Retrodolls, MLC and CustomdollhairAU do sell real nylon though, and Dolltress does as well (with the added bonus that Dolltress is run by a professional hair designer for toy companies, so she knows her stuff)


Anyway, sorry for jumping in lol. This whole situation has made me really sick and I'm just trying to make sure people know there are alternative sources and which ones are selling actual nylon hair and hopefully make it easier for people to choose not to work with such a terrible person.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: EnaRocketQueen on October 25, 2019, 02:52:18 AM
I knew she was sometimes difficult to do business with (would "disappear" off radar when workload got too much) but this is something else.... Will NOT be buying from her
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: heftysmurf76 on October 25, 2019, 06:29:37 AM

TheDollPlanet does not sell nylon, I'm not sure why they're labeling it nylon (I think they also call it something like 'Silk nylon' lol), but it's actually (I believe) PET hair; this is the kind of fiber used on heat-resisting BJD wigs. It's not bad hair, but it looks and behaves in a completely different way than nylon and isn't as shiny or luxurious as nylon. Not looking to disparage that company but figured that since we're sharing alternatives that I'd provide some input on that one in particular because I don't want anyone to purchase from them under the impression that they're getting nylon and end up with something else.

I'm sure most of you already know that Restoredoll's 'nylon' is nasty polypropylene, and the 'premium nylon' is real n
Glad you remembered your log in! Thanks for chiming in and clarifying stuff! very helpful and good to know! :D
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: caseysealia on October 25, 2019, 07:41:36 AM
I'm glad the info was helpful :)

This is so messy, sad and just......Totally disturbing. She sounds...Kinda insane to me. She made a comment on it on tumblr in case that wasn't known
a newer comment? i haven't seen hide nor hair of her in over 24 hours...
Ok so the one on tumblr is known. http://mlptp.net/index.php?threads/i-am-a-wee-bit-confused-now-about-nylon-mlp-hair.13006/#post-810790 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< This was not found by me. Guess this was out there but nothing came of it.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on October 25, 2019, 09:36:37 AM
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”Can't we all work together to try to find (or create) a place like that, where we're not willing to sell our houses to non whites, where we're not willing to do business with non whites, and where we can set up a private school for our children and exclue whomever we want to exclude?"

W.O.W.  I don’t believe I’ve read something more evil in a while. How can somebody even passingly think something like this? :sad:
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 25, 2019, 09:37:12 AM
There are also a bunch of doll hair sellers on Aliexpress but I don't know what material their hair is made of.  The language barrier makes things a little tricky because conversations go like:

Me:  Hi there!  What's your doll hair made of?

Them:  Yes we have great hair for dolls!  High quality and heat resistant!

Me:  Great!  What's it made of?

Them:  Doll hair! :D

That said the hair is pretty inexpensive there so if you see a color you like it might be worth it to order one hank to see what it is?
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: AnnaPommes on October 25, 2019, 12:32:59 PM
There are also a bunch of doll hair sellers on Aliexpress but I don't know what material their hair is made of.  The language barrier makes things a little tricky because conversations go like:

Me:  Hi there!  What's your doll hair made of?

Them:  Yes we have great hair for dolls!  High quality and heat resistant!

Me:  Great!  What's it made of?

Them:  Doll hair! :D

That said the hair is pretty inexpensive there so if you see a color you like it might be worth it to order one hank to see what it is?

it is not nylon but a stiffer fiber as in dolly wigs! you can style them with heat, but only with heat and it is not as soft as nylon. try it! you can boilperm it nicely, i use it for my sea-takaras! :D
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Taffeta on October 25, 2019, 12:34:02 PM
This whole thread is sad, disturbing and concerning in so many ways.

I also find it difficult to see how the excuses stick, since LM has nicely pared them down.

The world is such a mess.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: kingluke on October 26, 2019, 07:56:33 AM
I just found all of this out today. man.
I can't believe i did business with her.
Not only is she a friggin neonazi, she is also a transphobe!
As a transguy she has lost my respect and business forever.

Now to find out where else to get haircolours...

Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Lilja on October 26, 2019, 08:02:11 AM
I've been buying hair, paint, brushes etc. from Dollyhair for years. I've been really pleased with the products. It felt good that I could always come back for more if I ran out of anything, and know what I was getting. Furthermore the site was just fun to browse even if I wasn't buying anything, and the MLP hair matching guide was so helpful (even if I knew they weren't 100% accurate).

I had heard that some people had trouble with their orders from there, but I always got my packages fine and never made any big expensive orders, so I was never bothered about it. But if I had known then what I know now about the person who runs the site I never would've ordered from there. I'm really thankful to the people that've been passing this information along. I wish I'd heard of it sooner so I wouldn't have developed an affinity for the site, and not have to feel so sad right now that I won't be able to buy from there anymore. Fortunately, finding a new source for doll hair and paint is a small price to pay to avoid giving my money to a white supremacist.

I guess it's possible Tina has turned around and learned the error of her ways since the posts were made, and it'd be nice if that was the case. But she really needs to do something dramatic and clearly show that she doesn't hold these values anymore before I'd ever be comfortable with the thought of doing business with her again.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: ThePoneZone on October 26, 2019, 09:20:36 AM
I had been debating buying some hair from her to re-tail some of my ponies with, but I put it off because I've heard how some people have had difficulties with her. As a trans man, I absolutely refuse to do business with people like her. I'll take my money elsewhere.

Absolutely disgusted...
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Zapper on October 26, 2019, 10:40:05 AM
If it really was her on that forum then she is not just a racist but she is extremely dumb. She used her e-mail address for that and her business?! Lmao

I bought hair from that place years ago. Certainly won't do it again until she can produce evidence to the contrary. Which she probably can't.

Now I just wish EU sellers would restock more often.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: caseysealia on October 26, 2019, 11:01:30 AM
If it really was her on that forum then she is not just a racist but she is extremely dumb. She used her e-mail address for that and her business?! Lmao

I bought hair from that place years ago. Certainly won't do it again until she can produce evidence to the contrary. Which she probably can't.

Now I just wish EU sellers would restock more often.
Whoa I just noticed that......I guess people didn't realize what you did on the internet could come back to slap you in the face years later  :huh:
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: kestral_kitsune on October 26, 2019, 01:24:17 PM
I've been buying hair, paint, brushes etc. from Dollyhair for years. I've been really pleased with the products. It felt good that I could always come back for more if I ran out of anything, and know what I was getting. Furthermore the site was just fun to browse even if I wasn't buying anything, and the MLP hair matching guide was so helpful (even if I knew they weren't 100% accurate).

I had heard that some people had trouble with their orders from there, but I always got my packages fine and never made any big expensive orders, so I was never bothered about it. But if I had known then what I know now about the person who runs the site I never would've ordered from there. I'm really thankful to the people that've been passing this information along. I wish I'd heard of it sooner so I wouldn't have developed an affinity for the site, and not have to feel so sad right now that I won't be able to buy from there anymore. Fortunately, finding a new source for doll hair and paint is a small price to pay to avoid giving my money to a white supremacist.

I guess it's possible Tina has turned around and learned the error of her ways since the posts were made, and it'd be nice if that was the case. But she really needs to do something dramatic and clearly show that she doesn't hold these values anymore before I'd ever be comfortable with the thought of doing business with her again.
people like this won't ever change their ways unfortunately.
 they'll try to gaslight people into thinking that they're wrong, than admitting they're a horrible person.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Delphian on October 26, 2019, 03:58:16 PM
Thanks for the heads up about this horrible person! Her excuses are weak, but it's no surprise that a neo-nazi is stupid. I hope her business tanks now. :)
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Taffeta on October 27, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
Honestly, the most spine-chilling aspect of this whole business is the 'calm normality' of those posts - the tone with which they're written, like they're nice and polite and not saying completely obscene things. Somehow it's twice as jolting when you see someone write a post like that, in proper sentences, attempting to validate what they're saying like it's normal...than if you see a thug on the street yelling obscenities.

It's just...

I dunno, it makes me shiver. Especially the "where we can raise our kids" attitude, wanting to warp a child's perception before it's even had time to see the world clearly.

Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Zapper on October 28, 2019, 05:03:24 AM
Her excuses are weak, but it's no surprise that a neo-nazi is stupid.

This is such a naive thing to say. National-socialists do not come into power by being stupid. I know you were just trying to insult them but actual neo nazis are in fact skilled manipulators and schemers. They're not all screaming oafs. That's why so many of them are hard to observe or track down.
Your next door neighbor could openly be one and you'd never know. Especially if you are living in the US where it's normal to salute a huge flag in your house, say "God bless" to everything and be obsessed with military.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: freezestime on October 28, 2019, 06:18:32 AM
Her excuses are weak, but it's no surprise that a neo-nazi is stupid.

This is such a naive thing to say. National-socialists do not come into power by being stupid. I know you were just trying to insult them but actual neo nazis are in fact skilled manipulators and schemers. They're not all screaming oafs. That's why so many of them are hard to observe or track down.
Your next door neighbor could openly be one and you'd never know. Especially if you are living in the US where it's normal to salute a huge flag in your house, say "God bless" to everything and be obsessed with military.

If I may add, they normally see the line between showing themselves as one and just being interested in that kind of stuff, in order to not be noticed. (Idk if that makes sense)

Spoiler
If it's appropriate, I'd bring up Meghan Schroder (?) From the entire Chris Chan saga, she doesn't openly display herself as a nazi and idk if neo is different, but she convinced Chris to buy Nazi memorobilia from eBay for her.

There's no concrete info about that whole thing, but people speculate that she could've found some of the guys hot, that she was somehow trying to ruin his eBay account or just interested in that side of history.

They can be clever in many ways, some just hide it without getting caught (I'd bring up the dude that manipulated Myra Hindley but he got caught) while others seem to be sane (?) enough to have any signs dismissed or explained away (Like Meghan Schroder.)

At least, this is my knowledge on the subject. I grew up with Tumblr saying "Punch a Nazi" and stuff like that, so my knowledge might be incomplete or inaccurate.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Zapper on October 28, 2019, 11:19:05 AM
I grew up with Tumblr saying "Punch a Nazi" and stuff like that, so my knowledge might be incomplete or inaccurate.

The irony is these tumblr users with their internet bravado wouldn't have the guts to punch an actual out and proud neo irl.

Making light of or mocking neos is never a good idea. For once because they are dangerous and also because it trivializes their impact.

That's as political as I can get without breaking Arena rules, I hope. I'll stop with that subject now. I only brought it up because I consider it unwise to mock dangerous people. It just eggs them on.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: freezestime on October 29, 2019, 01:18:25 AM
I grew up with Tumblr saying "Punch a Nazi" and stuff like that, so my knowledge might be incomplete or inaccurate.

The irony is these tumblr users with their internet bravado wouldn't have the guts to punch an actual out and proud neo irl.

Making light of or mocking neos is never a good idea. For once because they are dangerous and also because it trivializes their impact.

That's as political as I can get without breaking Arena rules, I hope. I'll stop with that subject now. I only brought it up because I consider it unwise to mock dangerous people. It just eggs them on.

And helps justify/solidify/reinforce their ideology.

To get off the subject, would any of you guys be willing to help me find replacement hair colours? I think I'd have to start a few thread so this one isn't side tracked.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: BlackCurtains on October 29, 2019, 05:19:58 AM
There's a sticky thread in the Customs forum with some hair color matches. It's still a work in progress.

Wait, no. It's not a sticky. I'll have to find it when I get on my desktop (am on tablet right now).

edit: Found it! It's locked though unfortunately. http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,394488.msg1758618.html#msg1758618
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on October 29, 2019, 06:56:08 AM
Someone on the TP said Tina shared her email...does anyone have a source for this? Or has there not been a recent explanation.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 29, 2019, 09:11:00 AM
"Shared her email", like multiple people were using her AOL email?

What I think is that the "it was my husband!" lie wasn't accepted by enough people so now she's trying other lies to see what will stick.  She will definitely convince some people, in the same way some people are still convinced Sandusky was "framed by people who hate Penn State".   If you have an emotional investment in someone (even someone you've never met), it can be hard to accept a nasty truth about them.
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: BlackCurtains on October 29, 2019, 09:18:19 AM
If you have an emotional investment in someone (even someone you've never met), it can be hard to accept a nasty truth about them.

And she does have supporters :huh:
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Kandykidsaturn on November 14, 2019, 03:24:48 PM
I’ve bought from her once.  Let me emphasize the once.  I not only got the wrong hair, I didn’t get the appropriate amount for a hank.  She refused to do anything about it saying that I paid my money and took my chances.  Her tools are sub par as she makes the needles by just using nail clippers to regular needles.  I will never, ever, buy from her again.

I buy exclusively from The Doll Planet.  She is amazing.  She has always been on hand to help if I came up on a tricky problem re rooting hair, I’ve had ZERO problems with any of the many orders I’ve done, and she actually weighs the hanks.  Plus. The hair is AMAZING QUALITY. That’s the company I highly endorse. 
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Oneleo1 on November 15, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
The Doll Planet? Link? :) I'd love to check it out!
Title: Re: Concerns with Dollyhair's owner...Racial bias?
Post by: Sweet Daes on December 25, 2019, 04:26:56 AM
Compartmentalizing all of this information, Dollyhair is just a bad business model being run by someone who is bad at business, regardless of personal details. The only thing in Dollyhair's favor is that it's stated that the stock comes from the same manufacturer that supplies Hasbro, and the comparisons between what I had and what was on my pony held as true without breaking down chemical composition. I won't lie, Dollyhair's stock is better than many others because of that. The hair is better for what I want to accomplish and I haven't been able to find anyone that sells the same hair, unless I am just missing them.

But...
It took more than a month before my order was finally sent, which I was never given a tacking number- it just appeared one day.
And her rooting needles are just sharps, and two that were not usable because one of the ends were bent into a hook on both.
There is little seller communication.
The website is archaic and not very consumer-friendly.
There has been public drama involving the business by name.

All of these criticisms about the business alongside my crappy first (and only) experience are enough for me to steer clear.
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