SAN DIEGO, CA (June 21, 2021) – Since its very inception in 2012, the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic monthly comic book series from IDW has captured the hearts and minds of filly fans everywhere. Now, after almost a decade of publication, we bid a fond farewell to Friendship is Magic with September’s issue #102, the oversized conclusion of the official “Season 10” storyline that picked up where the beloved animated series left off.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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But friends, never fear! Twilight Sparkle, Pinkie Pie, Applejack, Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash, and Rarity will return in a new series beginning in October: My Little Pony: Generations! Written by Casey Gilly and illustrated by Michela Cacciatore, the new five-issue miniseries will see the Ponies of two separate generations collide, as the familiar faces from Friendship is Magic must call upon the original G1 Ponies of the 1980s for help against a new witch threat erupting from the Volcano of Doom!
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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic #102, by longtime contributors Jeremy Whitley and Andy Price, delivers the long-awaited climax of the “Season 10” story arc. With the Knights of Order launching an all-out assault on Equestria, the Mane 6 must face a foe singularly focused on capturing the Elements of Harmony. It’s a good thing that they have a lot of friends, old and new, upon whom they can rely!
Why are they including these ponies, instead of the ones from the movie? (Idk if the volcano witches were featured in the original comics or not, sorry in advance.) The art style is cute, I'll give em that much. Looks a bit like Tales though for some reason. I almost thought that was Melody for a moment.keep in mind that you're only seeing the cover lol, maybe there'll be more inside. it's a bit early to jump on the negativity.
I'm positive about this - for one thing it seems to be by someone who grew up with G1 (unless I misread that part) so it's not like they're just throwing in G1s because they think that's what people would want, and they'll at least be trying to be faithful and/or respectful.i feel like they wont include both because it'd be unbalanced, it might just be miscommunications from the artists? i'll be pleasantly surprised if they do.
I know not everyone here likes the Concept Six being treated as the G1 "Mane Cast", because they weren't - they're just what Lauren would have used, but it kind of makes sense to use them if this is the end of the G4 comic, because, they're basically the G1 ponies that led up to the creation of the Mane Six, so... they've basically gone full circle, or something...? I dunno, I think it's kind of beautiful. :lovey:
I also find it a nice touch that they appear to be using Sparkler and Glory (unless I'm misunderstanding the left picture) - Sparkler is the official "Concept Rarity" (i.e. the pony Lauren would have used if she could have used the G1s), but she also got Rarity's design from Glory, so she kind of part of this as well... the unofficial "Concept Seventh" if you like, so if that's what they're doing.
Humm okay. But will they actually get the ponies personalities correctly? Or will they be carbon copies of the Mane Suxx?
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Will the FiM writers actually have a fair balance, or are they just gonna use it to take unnecessary and baseless potshots at MLP n Friends to support supposed FiM superiority?
as the familiar faces from Friendship is Magic must call upon the original G1 Ponies of the 1980s
The art of the G1 ponies is very cute and I'm always excited to see new media featuring them but... as I am not a fan of the G4 cast, I would have liked them to stay far, far away from G1!
I may be wrong, but I can't see any reason to include G1 to pander to bronies. They don't want G1.
The big question is really whether we - or those who would be interested from a retro standpoint - want G4.
There's not an actual awareness or willingness to embrace G1 as its own entity in the days it was the only MLP. There's just this hindsight view as though it's somehow a safety net, building it from G4??
Yeah...
But part of the issue is that I don't think there are many people in and around Hasbro or the franchises associated with MLP licences that know a lot about G1.
Basic Fun have done a great job with the ponies, but that's in a sense mimicry. They're only dealing with reproducing a physical toy, and their choices are not always what we would expect as fans (see TE choice range, lack of Powder etc). They seem to be made from the perspective of what is profitable to produce. Which makes sense. But isn't really G1 knowledge as we would think of it.
I think a lot of this 'G1 knowledge' is being based around Faustworld...I mean, that Toys that Made Us documentary chose to interview her, and though that was a mostly good overview of G1's history, the idea that her concept of G1 was somehow important is kind of key here. Whether we personally like or dislike her concept (I'm in the latter camp) there are a lot of people for whom that is now 'G1' in their mind's eye.
...The idea of using those six instead of the actual movie cast shows that too. There's not an actual awareness or willingness to embrace G1 as its own entity in the days it was the only MLP. There's just this hindsight view as though it's somehow a safety net, building it from G4??
It's the same as the attitude that the cartoon for G1 defines G1 because G4's cartoon defined G4.
I don't like the sense that 'actual G1 people' are involved in this either. Actual G1 people are all over the place. They're here. But none of us have the same concept of what G1 is as one another. So what meaning does 'real g1 fans!' have in this context? Not much. I'd rather have someone unconnected to MLP who bothers to research and represent the original world of G1 (even the animated related one) than someone who calls themselves a 'fan' but is still tied to the strings of G4 in some way.
I mean, I have similar issues with the Jem comic, because it priveleged fanon over canon. I'm all for fanon - in fanfic. But not in something that's going to be judged as 'canon'. And Jem actually had a 'canon'. G1 didn't really; it had several.
Humm okay. But will they actually get the ponies personalities correctly? Or will they be carbon copies of the Mane Suxx?Depends how the writer chooses to do it – it appears to be someone who grew up with G1 (unless they're talking about G4, but I doubt it, because then they'd be quite young) so at the very least they'd be how they interpreted G1, the same way the Concept Six would have been Lauren's interpretation of them – the same way many of you interpreted your G1 toys the way you did, or maybe they'll be stuff taken from the toys, cartoons, or comics – it depends what “G1” was to the writer.
Will they include ponies who were actually more likely to show up, like Wind Whistler, Fizzy, Truly, Galaxy, and Shady? Or are they gonna stick with Lauren's inspirational misunderstanding? Nm that roughly half those ponies were G3 based and swapped.It wasn't a misunderstanding though, it was the personalities and characters she chose to use when she played with her toys – unless you mean that those in the brony fandom who aren't knowledgable towards G1 see things, like they might think they were the G1 “Mane Six” or something. It would be good if other G1s are used, but at the end of the day it will be up to the writer.
Will the FiM writers actually have a fair balance, or are they just gonna use it to take unnecessary and baseless potshots at MLP n Friends to support supposed FiM superiority?Like I say it appears to be someone who grew up with G1, so I doubt there'd be any hate towards it. There haven't really been that many potshots towards previous generations in the actual FiM, if any – Hasbro themselves (or DHX, I need to check) actually asked bronies to be more respectful to the previous generations, so I doubt they'd try to make them look bad to make G4 look better, because I've seen little of that in the show, if any of it.
Looks a bit like Tales though for some reason. I almost thought that was Melody for a moment.Yeah, I thought that was Melody as well, at first – I was confused as to why she was there for a moment...
I agree that I wish they were using the show characters instead of the damn ""concept six"" or whatever we're calling them.I think “Concept Six” is my own term, but yeah, maybe they'll be show stuff, maybe there won't – if not, we'll have fanon stuff for that. It's likely the Concept Six because they led to the creation of the Mane Six, and this is IDW's last time with the Mane Six (for now?) so it's like going back to their direct routes, so to speak – regardless of whether the real versions of those G1 ponies (and there is essentially no “real version”, as My Little Pony is a toyline, so everyone's version is the “real version” so to speak, as the whole point is you give them the personality you want them to have) were anything like the G4 ponies they inspired. Maybe they'll include other G1s, maybe they won't – it depends on what they want to do, but the Concept Six were likely chosen because it's IDW's (supposed) goodbye to the Mane Six, so it makes sense to go back to the ponies who, at least indirectly, led to their creation.
It smacks of them trying to reach out to us - to this market, because they sense the other one waning.Like I say, it appears to be a fan of G1 writing it – I get that nostalgia sells, but sometimes it really is the writer's nostalgia that is where it all comes from, they include things because it's what they are nostalgic to. It's like me, I write my versions of existing things, because the original versions mean something to me and inspire me.
I may be wrong, but I can't see any reason to include G1 to pander to bronies. They don't want G1.I think a decent amount of bronies do want G1 – there's actually been more respect towards previous generations for a while, at the very least for G1, and for one thing they were asking for G1 Grogar for a long time, and many were disappointed that he was never in G4, from what I can see. There is still pre-G4 hate, but there's more than one side to the fandom. That being said, I doubt it's pandering to anyone - it's what the writer chose to do.
At the end of the day, it's likely for the writer – which is ultimately what should be done when creating something; you create for yourself first, and if it's made with love it should shine through and be something that people in general can enjoy (I realise life isn't always that perfect.) It's like that one moral in G4 that I will now paraphrase - “if you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.”
See, that's what I was wondering, too - who is this for?? I think that's going to be what makes or breaks this, at least for me. Is it written for ALL fans, or is it going to be "G1 but from a G4[/G4 fan's] perspective". Cause if it's the latter, then that's... what I'm worried it'll be, pretty much. But then on the other hand, I'm having difficulty imagining a... not sure what the word I'm looking for is. A take on the crossover concept from a "G1/G1 fan" perspective, I guess would be a way of describing it? Cause I dunno about other communities but at least on here, it feels like most of us (regardless of whether or not we like G4 in general) prefer to keep the gens separate? Gah, I know what I mean but I'm failing at putting it into words. I guess I'm just wondering who exactly this is directed at.
There are only two MLP generations: G1, which went from 1983-1984, and G4 which went from 2010-2021. Only twelve ponies were ever produced. No one knows what happened in between 1984 and 2010, but whatever did was probably very cringe and very bad and was killed with fire.
I admit, I'm more than a little confused about what's going on since I don't read the MLP comics (it says the comics are ending but this is a new series?? Is it like a finale arc? A new series altogether? A 'continuation' that can be read on its own?), but holy moly that artwork is CUTE!!!
There are only two MLP generations: G1, which went from 1983-1984, and G4 which went from 2010-2021. Only twelve ponies were ever produced. No one knows what happened in between 1984 and 2010, but whatever did was probably very cringe and very bad and was killed with fire.
All pony fans and future pony fans were put into cryogenic stasis, so hasbro could steal money from our wallets, and we woke up wondering where all those "other " plastic horses came from.
Ahhh I knew I recognized that art style! Always nice when a fanartist gets to do official art :)
I’m not thrilled that they use those particular G1 ponies just to imply that they have a special relationship to the G4 ponies. Especially as those G1 ponies are their own individuals and not some alternate universe version of G4s as in a Star Trek episode.
If they had used ponies like Wind Whistler, Buttons, Majesty, Cotton Candy or even ponies like Dancing Butterflies and Parasol… I’d be more interested.
Ahhh I knew I recognized that art style! Always nice when a fanartist gets to do official art :)
Yes! IDW is known for that! Quite a few of their comics are drawn by people who were big fans (and had large collections of fanart on DA). :)
Yeah...
But part of the issue is that I don't think there are many people in and around Hasbro or the franchises associated with MLP licences that know a lot about G1.
Basic Fun have done a great job with the ponies, but that's in a sense mimicry. They're only dealing with reproducing a physical toy, and their choices are not always what we would expect as fans (see TE choice range, lack of Powder etc). They seem to be made from the perspective of what is profitable to produce. Which makes sense. But isn't really G1 knowledge as we would think of it.
I think a lot of this 'G1 knowledge' is being based around Faustworld...I mean, that Toys that Made Us documentary chose to interview her, and though that was a mostly good overview of G1's history, the idea that her concept of G1 was somehow important is kind of key here. Whether we personally like or dislike her concept (I'm in the latter camp) there are a lot of people for whom that is now 'G1' in their mind's eye.
...The idea of using those six instead of the actual movie cast shows that too. There's not an actual awareness or willingness to embrace G1 as its own entity in the days it was the only MLP. There's just this hindsight view as though it's somehow a safety net, building it from G4??
It's the same as the attitude that the cartoon for G1 defines G1 because G4's cartoon defined G4.
I don't like the sense that 'actual G1 people' are involved in this either. Actual G1 people are all over the place. They're here. But none of us have the same concept of what G1 is as one another. So what meaning does 'real g1 fans!' have in this context? Not much. I'd rather have someone unconnected to MLP who bothers to research and represent the original world of G1 (even the animated related one) than someone who calls themselves a 'fan' but is still tied to the strings of G4 in some way.
I mean, I have similar issues with the Jem comic, because it priveleged fanon over canon. I'm all for fanon - in fanfic. But not in something that's going to be judged as 'canon'. And Jem actually had a 'canon'. G1 didn't really; it had several.
Silly Hasbro, it's the Volcano of GLOOM, not Doom! :P
I, of course, am glad the witches might be coming back. I don't know if it's the witches we know and love or if they will be new or re-booted, but I'm hoping Draggle is back!
I’m not thrilled that they use those particular G1 ponies just to imply that they have a special relationship to the G4 ponies. Especially as those G1 ponies are their own individuals and not some alternate universe version of G4s as in a Star Trek episode.
If they had used ponies like Wind Whistler, Buttons, Majesty, Cotton Candy or even ponies like Dancing Butterflies and Parasol… I’d be more interested.
I’m curious to know why one of the covers has ponies in the g3 design
I don't have any fears or concerns about the portrayals of the G1 characters personally! Im very excited for the Generations comic, I think it will be a lot of fun. I have a lot of "out there" headcanons about how the G1 world works so I don't have a right to fuss about canon/fanon/comic interpretations.
The only thing that kills me is that the covers Celesse is doing are the Retailer Incentive ones, so its like one out of every 100 printed will have that cover per issue, and they will be VERY expensive :sad:
That's how I feel too! After all, a new reboot or remake doesn't take anything away from the original tv show/movie. So a new interpretation of G1 characters doesn't take away anything from the 80's characters we love. It's just a new interpretation! And I think it'll be fun to see how these comic creators represent the characters. Will the G1 ponies be from far in the G4 past? Or the far future? Or an alternate dimension? I can't wait to find out!
I didn't know that comics did such things as "chase covers."
THIS!! This is how I feel about new versions of things in general, whatever the new version does, it doesn't erase the old version(s) from existence, it's just a new version. :)I don't have any fears or concerns about the portrayals of the G1 characters personally! Im very excited for the Generations comic, I think it will be a lot of fun. I have a lot of "out there" headcanons about how the G1 world works so I don't have a right to fuss about canon/fanon/comic interpretations.
That's how I feel too! After all, a new reboot or remake doesn't take anything away from the original tv show/movie. So a new interpretation of G1 characters doesn't take away anything from the 80's characters we love. It's just a new interpretation!
THIS!! This is how I feel about new versions of things in general, whatever the new version does, it doesn't erase the old version(s) from existence, it's just a new version. :)I don't have any fears or concerns about the portrayals of the G1 characters personally! Im very excited for the Generations comic, I think it will be a lot of fun. I have a lot of "out there" headcanons about how the G1 world works so I don't have a right to fuss about canon/fanon/comic interpretations.
That's how I feel too! After all, a new reboot or remake doesn't take anything away from the original tv show/movie. So a new interpretation of G1 characters doesn't take away anything from the 80's characters we love. It's just a new interpretation!
I didn't know that comics did such things as "chase covers."
Oh yeah! Really adds to their collect-ability now.
There's usually always a "Cover A" and "Cover B" and you can find both at your local comic shop. Sometimes there will even be a "Cover C". Then there's the retailer incentives I mentioned, which are very rare and made so comic shops will order more in hopes of getting one of these rare covers. Then there's retailed exclusive covers, so certain chain shops can get special covers. I have a lot of FIM issues that are hot topic or hastings exclusives!
Heck, sometimes you can even get blank covers at conventions and commission artists to draw a one of a kind cover for you!
I really only collect MLP, Care Bear, and Godzilla comics so I don't go too crazy but I will buy multiple covers if they aren't too expensive secondhand :)
Grackle and Dyre, the young granddaughters of the evil witch Hydia, have set out to destroy all of pony-dom! And even worse-their plan might be working! Friendship begins to fall apart as their lackeys Black Belle, Shadow Storm, and Violet Shiver wreak havoc in Ponyville!visitors can't see pics , please register or login
I don't know anything about comics, so hopefully my questions aren't too stupid. But, where do you buy these? Are they online special order only?
We have a couple comic shops in the area, and I've been specifically on the lookout for these but have yet to come across them. Like I said, I don't really collect or read comics, and I really only want these "RI" cover, so I don't know if that's going to make them harder to find.
Also, I probably missed it, but how many issues will this mini-series be?
Has anyone actually read these yet?Don't think it's out yet.
I don't know anything about comics, so hopefully my questions aren't too stupid. But, where do you buy these? Are they online special order only?RI stands for Retailer Incentive. The odds for this issue seem to be 1:10, so for every 10 issues ordered, at least one should be the cover. I know there are a few different sites that sell specialty covers, and the RI edition is likely to be more expensive and sought after. There's a chance you may find them in person if I'm understanding correctly.
(How reliable are IDW's solicitations, does anyone know?)I've not seen any major issues with their solicitations.
Aww, Blackbelle is what I called my favourite plushie. Cute to see MLP using the name. But I admit I'm not sure what any of this has to do with G1? ^^;
Also "granddaughters of Hydia" when's this meant to be set, then? :o That'd seem to indicate it's fairly far into the future, but then how do the G1 ponies come into it...? *confused* Why not just use Reeka and Draggle and have done with it. Well, I'm sure it'll make sense in context.
(How reliable are IDW's solicitations, does anyone know? I'm only really familiar with Boom Comics and their solitications weren't always reliable... sometimes they'd be perfect synopses and other times the actual story was completely different to what had been soliticited.. Just wondering so I know how much stock to put into these Generations solicitations. ^^;)
Grackle and Dyre, the young granddaughters of the evil witch Hydia, have set out to destroy all of pony-dom! And even worse-their plan might be working! Friendship begins to fall apart as their lackeys Black Belle, Shadow Storm, and Violet Shiver wreak havoc in Ponyville!
QuoteGrackle and Dyre, the young granddaughters of the evil witch Hydia, have set out to destroy all of pony-dom! And even worse-their plan might be working! Friendship begins to fall apart as their lackeys Black Belle, Shadow Storm, and Violet Shiver wreak havoc in Ponyville!
Granddaughters? I always assumed what was left of the gloom clan were just Hydia, Reeka, and Draggle. With their relatives having their souls attached to the paintings and living there, possibly as ghosts. But I suppose that's just speculation. Anyways, I'm curious to see where they go with this direction. I'm going to guess Hydia is pretty old in this G1 future, at least, I'm certain its the future. Concept six aside, I don't think Reeka or Draggle will play much of a role, probably more as background characters than anything. Plus I don't see any mention of them.
Oh, and I saw in the MLP FiM wiki that the G1 Smooze may be coming back. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but if it is, I think it may be too early to be bringing it back. The Smooze appeared in the MLP: Movie (1986) and didn't return for the TV series in MLP N' Friends. I'm not saying it shouldn't or it couldn't, I just think it's too soon to bring it in for this crossover. But that's just my opinion, I'm still interested to see where they go with this.
My question is... are they Reeka's kids, or Draggle's? o.0
My question is... are they Reeka's kids, or Draggle's? o.0
Perhaps one of each?
Yeah Hydia was definitely their mum, she just didn't want to be called that :p
I was wondering whose kids they were, too. I'm betting one for each sister.
Still think it's weird they're going this route, it seems so needlessly complicated. Why not just use Reeka and Draggle themselves? So weird.
Yeah Hydia was definitely their mum, she just didn't want to be called that :p
I was wondering whose kids they were, too. I'm betting one for each sister.
Still think it's weird they're going this route, it seems so needlessly complicated. Why not just use Reeka and Draggle themselves? So weird.
Maybe they're too old? Who knows.
Yeah Hydia was definitely their mum, she just didn't want to be called that :p
I was wondering whose kids they were, too. I'm betting one for each sister.
Still think it's weird they're going this route, it seems so needlessly complicated. Why not just use Reeka and Draggle themselves? So weird.
Maybe they're too old? Who knows.
It probably depends how long the time span is...or if they're doing a weird time skip thing...or whatever.
I don't pretend I'm keeping up with the details of the plot, but if it's going to use a random mishmash of G1 ponies who mostly existed before the movie happened, it's hard to understand why Draggle and Reeka wouldn't be involved. Unless they're going to go down the dark path of them being smoozed to death or something. But if the G1 ponies have come through a timeskip, that might be different.
TBH I don't think this is going to be about G1 in the slightest though. They'll push the names and images in there to try and cash in on the popularity of the retro, since G4 is a dead fish now and they'll keep beating every drop out of it they can because they can't think up anything else (G5 is kind of proof of that, it's very blah compared to FIM).
That being the case, it probably doesn't matter if there's any continuity to the original witches. A single line aside to 'explain' that they're related is probably as much attention as it will get. I mean, there are also some ponies involved in the villainy too here, right?
It's a shame they didn't use the original G1 cast that were in the movie, that might mean something...but I guess it's also true that it's not really aimed at people who grew up with G1.
I just find it weird, it's meant to be a G1 crossover thing and then they make up a bunch of new characters instead of using the established cast? They didn't do this with the Transformers crossover comic, right? I saw some panels from that and it looked like the usual cast, no new guys. :/ Like, I'm not asking for a strict adherence to the G1 cartoons here, I don't mind keeping things flexible, but what is the point of doing a cross-gen thing if you're just going to be using stuff loosely based on G1?? I don't get it.
I don't care so much which ponies they use... If they're going with the movie setting then it'd probably make the most sense to use Wind Whistler, Morning Glory etc, but the concept ponies, sure, okay, why not. I could see the Basic Fun toys playing a part here too, that definitely seems plausible.. I don't *think* any of the ponies in the movie, have been remade by Basic Fun (yet?). Though tbh I think they're less bothered about which toy is on the shop shelves, and more concerned with which ponies the G4 crowd will ~recognize~ -_-
but that aside, it's all these new chars I don't *get*. Like I said, maybe it'll make perfect sense when we've actually read the story, I don't know, but just going off the info we have now... why make up *new* witches? What difference does it make?? It just seems needlessly overcomplicated... If they just wanted to use the general idea, and no specific characters etc from the movie, then why market it as a G1/G4 crossover in the first place...? I just find it all weird.
I just find it weird, it's meant to be a G1 crossover thing and then they make up a bunch of new characters instead of using the established cast? They didn't do this with the Transformers crossover comic, right? I saw some panels from that and it looked like the usual cast, no new guys. :/ Like, I'm not asking for a strict adherence to the G1 cartoons here, I don't mind keeping things flexible, but what is the point of doing a cross-gen thing if you're just going to be using stuff loosely based on G1?? I don't get it.
No idea Carrehz. I like the colors on Blackbelle and Violet Shiver. Pity this is looking to be more G4 then a proper crossover. :nope:
No idea Carrehz. I like the colors on Blackbelle and Violet Shiver. Pity this is looking to be more G4 then a proper crossover. :nope:If it is then it really reduces my interest in it down to zero, lol. I was already hesitant about there being too much G4 :enraged: Ah, well. Guess it was expected
No idea Carrehz. I like the colors on Blackbelle and Violet Shiver. Pity this is looking to be more G4 then a proper crossover. :nope:
I would think that would be easier for the writers, who are probably the same people, as then they don't have to do any research. But it's not a crossover really like that.
The first comic is out!SpoilerI didn't like it at all.
The first comic is out!SpoilerI didn't like it at all.
Sorry to hear it. How come?
The first comic is out!SpoilerI didn't like it at all.
Sorry to hear it. How come?
I haven't read it myself (yet?), but from the sounds of it, it's not very G1-y. :P The Witches aren't really witches but are apparently ponies banished to the EQG world or something? The G1 ponies haven't showed up at all yet...
I'm with you on this one, Tealeaf, honestly was surprised at HOW disappointing it was...
(Plot details under cut, I guess)SpoilerVOLCANO OF GLOOM, writers!!! Not "Gloom Volcano"!!! You know you're in for A Time when there's an error literally on page one, really sets the tone... I mean come ON, that's just basic stuff!
I've gotta say, I REALLY hope they step up their game in issue 2... So far there's NO sign of G1, apart from the aforementioned screwed-up volcano name. The "witches" for some reason look like Equestria Girls (technicolour skin, hair etc, even their fashion sense is VERY EQG-y) with a bit of the Jem comic aesthetic thrown in for good measure...? Nothing like Reeka and Draggle. Supposedly they're R&D's daughters, but the only way you can tell is how they mentioned their mothers every couple of panels (this was really forced.. idk how to explain it exactly, but they just really kept going "oh yeah like our moms" a LOT, really shoving it down our throats? As if that "legitimizes" these chars' relationships to the old ones? IDK how else to explain it, but that stood out to me as being weirdly written). Otherwise they just hung around spouting modern dialogue and being super out of place...
The rest of the comic was pure G4. No G1 ponies apart from the covers. :/ Really not impressed so far.
I will say though, I did like how they included the alt. covers at the back of the comic, that was a very nice touch. Usually I just see that done with the trade paperbacks. So I'll give them that. But yeah, so far I'm not liking this whatsoever. :( I mean, I went into it with fairly low expectations (it was a "Let's see how it goes" not a "OMG I'm so excited!!" if that makes sense) but geez...
I'm with you on this one, Tealeaf, honestly was surprised at HOW disappointing it was...
(Plot details under cut, I guess)SpoilerVOLCANO OF GLOOM, writers!!! Not "Gloom Volcano"!!! You know you're in for A Time when there's an error literally on page one, really sets the tone... I mean come ON, that's just basic stuff!
I've gotta say, I REALLY hope they step up their game in issue 2... So far there's NO sign of G1, apart from the aforementioned screwed-up volcano name. The "witches" for some reason look like Equestria Girls (technicolour skin, hair etc, even their fashion sense is VERY EQG-y) with a bit of the Jem comic aesthetic thrown in for good measure...? Nothing like Reeka and Draggle. Supposedly they're R&D's daughters, but the only way you can tell is how they mentioned their mothers every couple of panels (this was really forced.. idk how to explain it exactly, but they just really kept going "oh yeah like our moms" a LOT, really shoving it down our throats? As if that "legitimizes" these chars' relationships to the old ones? IDK how else to explain it, but that stood out to me as being weirdly written). Otherwise they just hung around spouting modern dialogue and being super out of place...
The rest of the comic was pure G4. No G1 ponies apart from the covers. :/ Really not impressed so far.
I will say though, I did like how they included the alt. covers at the back of the comic, that was a very nice touch. Usually I just see that done with the trade paperbacks. So I'll give them that. But yeah, so far I'm not liking this whatsoever. :( I mean, I went into it with fairly low expectations (it was a "Let's see how it goes" not a "OMG I'm so excited!!" if that makes sense) but geez...
I'm confused. :blink:SpoilerSo they don't show up till the second-to-last issue, and are now a completely different set of ponies then the ones on the covers? I mean, I'm glad they're going with some of the movie ponies. It just seems to be a bit strange that they're doing a sudden switch-a-roo. Also, why is Minty there? :wonder:
I don't know if it'll be enough to sway any of you who have decided, but I wouldn't lose hope if you genuinely want to see G1 characters appear. I keep up with solicitation summary's as they appear on EQD, and you might want to see the summary for issue #4:Oh so,SpoilerThe original ponies are here! North Star, Lickety-Split, Minty, Rosedust, Lofty, and more team up with Starlight Glimmer, Twilight Sparkle, and the rest of the gang to get to the bottom of the strange, havoc-wreaking Smooze.
The plan of witches Grackle and Dyre is heating up! Can the combined forces of our favorite ponies stop them?!
SpoilerAlso, why is Minty there? :wonder:
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.SpoilerSo we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*
And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.SpoilerSo we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*
And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...SpoilerThey could just take G1 Minty and give her G3 Minty's personality.
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.SpoilerSo we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*
And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...SpoilerThey could just take G1 Minty and give her G3 Minty's personality.Spoilergeez, I hope not :p They're different characters with the same name, let's leave it at that and not do the "Oh, same name, same diff right?" thing.
Yeah it's not particularly uncommon for comic covers to have NOTHING to do with the actual story, including featuring characters that are nowhere to be found in the actual story. (Honestly I think I've seen more "completely unrelated to the story" covers, than ones that actually WERE related to the story!) I agree it is misleading in this particular case, though.SpoilerSo we need to wait 2 more issues for any G1 ponies to show up? What... I am so confused right now... could be misleading, solicitations can be confusingly worded or straight-up intentional misdirects, but.. *confused*
And yeah, G1 or G3 Minty? G1 Minty was never in the cartoons so I don't see what they could do with her (again, I'm assuming these writers aren't going to be familiar with the G1 comics/backcards/etc), but it'd be really weird if G3 Minty was just... there...SpoilerThey could just take G1 Minty and give her G3 Minty's personality.Spoilergeez, I hope not :p They're different characters with the same name, let's leave it at that and not do the "Oh, same name, same diff right?" thing.SpoilerBut what I gathered from here she doesn't really have a canon personality. (Tbh I'm not super well versed in the G1 cartoon. While I am into all generations as far as the toys go I never really watched any of the cartoons before G4 and even that one I dropped off on somewhere along the way) If that's the case then while it's not the most creative move it wouldn't go against any past canon if they did that.
Heh. I knew I spotted Lofty.SpoilerAnd why are they bringing them in so late?
Pink pony is cotton candy looking. Honestly I think the artist is probably out of their comfort zone in drawing outside of the gen 4 style lol
Honestly, I'm surprised anyone is surprised that it's not accurate. Again, there are a lot of issues with those kinds of illustrations on the dvd and vhs cases. Even in the later G1 comics sometimes it's a bit odd. And I'm not talking about when they've used prototypes as the base for illustrations. I'm talking about...well, we could just start with the many designs of Dazzleglow...
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/dazzleglow.htm (http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/dazzleglow.htm)
(see bottom of page)
Point being, they're not going to get it right. Even in G1, if the pony wasn't right there in stores at that exact time (and even if it was), sometimes there were glitches. The G1 fact file has a purple Minty and a unicorn honeycomb, after all! These aren't people who have the ponies in front of them. It's a sort of miracle if they've looked at some screencaptures from the old shows, tbh.
The one confusion for me is probably morning glory, but it also seems like they don't know how to draw her. So possibly they haven't had access to the movie...
Pink pony is cotton candy looking. Honestly I think the artist is probably out of their comfort zone in drawing outside of the gen 4 style lol
...That pretty much suggests they drew her using the wiki.
Okay then. :)
...That pretty much suggests they drew her using the wiki.
Okay then. :)
If they're using the wiki, no wonder they're confused. I'm not insulting the wiki, but it's full of G1 ponies in sets and based around the toyline, and they're hopping all over the place with which ponies they want to use...
Yeah, that makes sense somehow.
But I agree with LAW, that's quite amusing. To use the MLW screengrab, the one image that doesn't reflect Morning Glory.
No...it just exposes that they don't know the first thing about G1 and don't have any viable source material to use as their reference. If they did proper research on the characters they wanted to draw, then they'd probably get the colours right, whatever style they used.
It usually annoys me when collectors put random words into the search engine and just believe whatever answer it spits out, but this...is on a whole new level.
I don't even know what to think.
(But go mad on the customs anyway xD)
No...it just exposes that they don't know the first thing about G1 and don't have any viable source material to use as their reference. If they did proper research on the characters they wanted to draw, then they'd probably get the colours right, whatever style they used.
It usually annoys me when collectors put random words into the search engine and just believe whatever answer it spits out, but this...is on a whole new level.
I don't even know what to think.
(But go mad on the customs anyway xD)
Would those customs be titled Screen Error Morning Glory? :P
No...it just exposes that they don't know the first thing about G1 and don't have any viable source material to use as their reference. If they did proper research on the characters they wanted to draw, then they'd probably get the colours right, whatever style they used.
It usually annoys me when collectors put random words into the search engine and just believe whatever answer it spits out, but this...is on a whole new level.
I don't even know what to think.
(But go mad on the customs anyway xD)
Would those customs be titled Screen Error Morning Glory? :P
Abbreviated to Scrorny.
I can completely believe they did 0.2 seconds of research on it. This is the world we live in now. I swear, if people did more than 0.2 seconds of research on their pony finds and collections, I'd probably be able to retire. I'd certainly have a party. It's the fault of google. The instant answer is better than the one that takes time, and this is kind of the proof of it.
Also, I don't think they really think our generation will notice, or care, about this as an entity. And there's no real recognition or respect for G1 as a thing in the whole construction of this. They're just tools to try and construct their own version of the narrative. It's not really like they've seriously tried (from what we've seen so far) to build a cohesive cast or narrative for this collab.
Instead of having a selection of specific ponies and sticking to it and illustrating them in the way they have the M6, they've been all over the place.
My spoiler-y review!
Issue 1:SpoilerOkay so I always jokingly say some artists can draw people really well and some artists can draw animals really well, but rarely can one draw both. That certainly seems to be the case here, because the human characters look very well done and in proportion, but the ponies are not drawn well at all. Their heads are too big and their legs are short and stumpy, when is unlike the normal G4 style. There's some shots of the ponies sitting down where their legs just look like twigs they're sitting on!
I do like the designs of the two witches, though their characters aren't standing out to me so far. I like the page where they're preparing a spooky spell and then at the end of the page it turns out they were just making a pizza. XD That got a laugh out of me.
Trying to figure out the plot as we go, from the witches' dialog, but it's not easy... It seems like the "Gloom Volcano" exists in some sort of pocket dimension? Maybe? I can't think of a reason why they would start looking for ponies in "any dimension" unless that is the case. But it's not well explained. Why are the girls looking to enact revenge on ponies from any dimension, anyway, and not the dimension of ponies that actually banished them...? (Which I assume is the G1 ponies?)
Anyway, so the two teen witches have been stuck in this pocket dimension inside a volcano their whole lives, because they say the ponies banished their moms there after their grandma "played a prank on the ponies." Is this a reference to the G1 movie? Or something else altogether? Who knows?
The moms have left on some business at the start of the comic, so the girls are "home alone" as it were. They established that their magic doesn't work outside the volcano so they can't leave it. But then they send their little opposum henchmen out to get ingredients to make smooze, and somehow the smooze lets them do whatever they want, basically, which includes leaving the volcano, turning into ponies, and going to the G4 dimension.
The page where Trench the Opposum goes on the adventure to find the smooze ingredients is pretty funny! I laughed at 'rage frogs' XD
So we end issue 1 with the two girls (and Trench? That surprised me) dropping in on the G4 ponies in pony disguise, to pretend to be new teachers for the overcrowded school. I'm not that upset with the lack of G1 characters in the first issue. I know it can take some time to develop a story, and they had to take time to establish the witch characters and their history up to this point.
But yeah I do have a lot of questions. Are these really supposed to be the witches from the G1 movie? Or are these the daughters of some sort of alternate dimension version of them? The dialog about looking for ponies in "any dimension" establishes that this is a "multiverse" type of story, rather than the G4 ponies being the descendants of the G1 ponies.
I wanted to give the writers the benefit of the doubt, but it really seems like they don't know the G1 part of things that well, especially since Draggle seemed like such a sympathetic character, both in the movie and the G1 cartoon, and they don't indicate that in any way at all here in the comic. They could have done something similar, and made one of the witch daughters more sympathetic and one more mean? Or they could have had one of the teens teasing the other about how her mom isn't a 'real witch' because she was so weak-willed?
Anyway, this comic is nothing special, but I'd say it's on par with a lot of the other MLP comics. Just a little fun story for kids, nothing amazing but nothing horrible either. On to Issue 2!
Issue 2:SpoilerI still think it's really weird that a non-talking animal became a talking pony. Like, imagine if Angel the Bunny turned into a pony and started talking? ...wait okay they actually happened in one episode so I guess it's okay... :blink:
I have to say the designs of the teen witches and Trench as ponies really annoy me... I felt the same about Tempest's design in the G4 movie. It seems like all the OC "edgy, cool" ponysonas that people make online. "Oooo my pony has a mohawk and scars and a crazy horn!" "Well my pony's eyes have black sclera!" Like, why do the witches in pony form have black spots on the face and white ice markings on the hooves?
And the biggest thing is that the designs don't tie into anything? In the last issue we established that one of the witches has fire magic. Why don't either of their pony designs have fire elements? If one of the witches has a lightning bolt-shaped unicorn horn in pony form, why doesn't she have lightning magic powers? Why doesn't the opposum-turned-pony have a trashcan for a cutie mark? These are basic design elements that even a novice designer would think of!
OH! Wait, never mind, I just got to page 8 of issue 2 and I see I made a mistake. These three ponies are not the witches and Trench in disguise! >_< I kinda assumed they were. But no, these are... I guess... smooze constructs? Which was never a thing in the original movie but oh well, in this comic we're going with the idea that the smooze can basically do whatever the witches want it to do.
So anyway it seems like the 3 "edgy" smooze ponies are at the School of Friendship while the witches and Trench are still stuck in the volcano. Trench gets a bath while we have one of the witches read another letter from their moms, which was frankly a really funny scene. XD
There's a SMALL reference to Draggle being the more sympathetic witch when one of the teen's says "I can tell your mom wrote this because mine would have been a lot meaner."
(If you think it's weird that I keep calling them "the teen witches" it's because I can't remember their names and I'm reading these two issues right now as I write this. I think their names are mentioned once each? If that much? One is named Dyre and I don't know the other's name. Trench is easy to remember because they say his name like every other page. Plus he's adorable.)
Okay but then we have a scene with the new Mane 6 (Sandbar and the non-ponies) gushing about how awesome the new teachers are and it made me laugh. Sandbar put random markings on his hooves in art class, to be like the new teachers, and Yona made cookies that shout "A CURSE UPON YOU!" in Haunted Home-Ec class and I just laughed so much. XD That is actually an attempt at good writing! Making fun of the standard story tropes and clever add-ons that still make sense in the pony universe!
So we end the issue with the three S'monies (Smooze + ponies... yeah, just go with it...) causing mayhem in Ponyville and disrupting community and friendship. A very standard G4 plot. (Oh no friendship is being ruined in Ponyville!....again!) And still no G1 ponies. I could understand not having them in Issue 1 as we establish the new characters, but they really should have been introduced by now. There's only 5 issues of this comic, right? Or 6? I'm starting to wonder if the "OP's" (Original Ponies, I know, I'm funny right? XD ) will just appear at the end to set things right and save the day?
Sigh. I'm sad. This story had a lot of potential but it's disappointing... Instead of having these "S'monies" we could spend more time with the teen witches and actually establish their characters more and learn their backstories so that we actually care about them (or at least find them interesting). I might not have enjoyed Tempest's design in the G4 movie but at least her character was well established and we cared about what happened to her.
On the End of Flutter Valley, @Wildshadow - that was quite dull, boring and neverending as a plot anyway. Probably a bad choice to use as a basis.
SpoilerI have to say the designs of the teen witches and Trench as ponies really annoy me... I felt the same about Tempest's design in the G4 movie. It seems like all the OC "edgy, cool" ponysonas that people make online.
Well the digital has a three page preview of the 4th comic… ….it’s…SpoilerNOT GOOD or well I hated it. Of course they sound like G4 with a G1 look :cry: WHY ARE THEY WALKING ON A RAINBOW??? That part I hate a lot too. They aren’t Starlite…
More detail if you don’t want to know about it early?Spoilerand WHY WHHHYYYY is Bonbon there?!?!! And G3 Minty.. I guess G3’s would be fine BUT DONT ADD TALES!! :cry: They don’t make sense to be a part of that world :facepalm: then Megan is in her first special outfit fighting smooze :pout: I’m afraid what more they added. And Surprise narrating the story, I don’t see her saying supreme bummer and going “Like totally lame!” >_< Now I’m hoping those are the only instances but I’m fearing the worst :cry: kinda makes her sound ‘valley girl’? UGH!!
I don’t know anymore…
:cold:
Well the digital has a three page preview of the 4th comic… ….it’s…SpoilerNOT GOOD or well I hated it. Of course they sound like G4 with a G1 look :cry: WHY ARE THEY WALKING ON A RAINBOW??? That part I hate a lot too. They aren’t Starlite…
More detail if you don’t want to know about it early?Spoilerand WHY WHHHYYYY is Bonbon there?!?!! And G3 Minty.. I guess G3’s would be fine BUT DONT ADD TALES!! :cry: They don’t make sense to be a part of that world :facepalm: then Megan is in her first special outfit fighting smooze :pout: I’m afraid what more they added. And Surprise narrating the story, I don’t see her saying supreme bummer and going “Like totally lame!” >_< Now I’m hoping those are the only instances but I’m fearing the worst :cry: kinda makes her sound ‘valley girl’? UGH!!
I don’t know anymore…
:cold:
Still haven't read it, but...SpoilerWhile I'd sort of get it, if it is what I said it was before (i.e. Mane Six meets Concept Six rather than G4 meets G1, although it seems like it's supposed to be the latter and then some) I do agree that it's a shame if the G1s that were the Concept Six sound like their G4 "counter parts" (unless I misunderstood that part) - if that's what they chose to do, then fine, but when I use those characters, they aren't going to act like the Mane Six - they don't need to act like them, I have the Mane Six for that, and they aren't the Concept Six in what I'm writing, they are G1 characters (or references to them) - the closest they get to being the Concept Six is that they are going to team up in at least one episode, but that's more of a shout out to the Concept Six than anything.
As for Surprise... yeah, she isn't the pony I would have imagined with Valley Girl speak... I could do my usual thing, and just say that this is a "this" Surprise thing, but if the point is to bring G1s and G3s over then, it makes more sense for them to act in someway that is closer to how they did there? Interpretations aside...?
(I'm trying my hardest not to sound a hypocrite with my project, since there will be creative licence with all generations I use...)
Also... I actually do find Tales making sense as part of the FiM world, no offense, but I always felt like they were easy to imagine in Equestria... all pre-G4s are in my mind, but I always felt Tales fit in relatively easily - I know they have cars and that, but I always felt that was easy to overlook if you were putting them in a G4 (or even a G3, G3.5 or earlier G1, and probably even a G2) world, so they wouldn't be aware of cars etc. unless the story was that they'd litterally gone from their own world to the other one.
That said, I think I have a different look toward Tales, like I've seen people essentially say that the show isn't "My Little Pony" enough, and that you could make them any other animal (including humans) and nothing would change, and there's not enough fantasy to it (I think that's been said), but I never felt that... it is very MLP to me, and I can see the fantasy potential in it.
Also... I may be wrong, but I could have sworn that ponies walking a rainbow was a G1 thing, or another pre-G4 thing? Like I feel that it may be a comic book or a backcard story? I'm not sure, but it feels more pre-G4 than G4, even with the whole "Pegasi can live in clouds" thing...
Maybe it's because Firefly and Medley slid down a rainbow in the first episode/special? I just feel that walking on rainbows has been done before...
(Just Realized: I may be thinking of "Best Friends Until the End of Time", which was a G4 thing, but I might not be...)
Well the digital has a three page preview of the 4th comic… ….it’s…SpoilerNOT GOOD or well I hated it. Of course they sound like G4 with a G1 look :cry: WHY ARE THEY WALKING ON A RAINBOW??? That part I hate a lot too. They aren’t Starlite…
More detail if you don’t want to know about it early?Spoilerand WHY WHHHYYYY is Bonbon there?!?!! And G3 Minty.. I guess G3’s would be fine BUT DONT ADD TALES!! :cry: They don’t make sense to be a part of that world :facepalm: then Megan is in her first special outfit fighting smooze :pout: I’m afraid what more they added. And Surprise narrating the story, I don’t see her saying supreme bummer and going “Like totally lame!” >_< Now I’m hoping those are the only instances but I’m fearing the worst :cry: kinda makes her sound ‘valley girl’? UGH!!
I don’t know anymore…
:cold:
Still haven't read it, but...SpoilerWhile I'd sort of get it, if it is what I said it was before (i.e. Mane Six meets Concept Six rather than G4 meets G1, although it seems like it's supposed to be the latter and then some) I do agree that it's a shame if the G1s that were the Concept Six sound like their G4 "counter parts" (unless I misunderstood that part) - if that's what they chose to do, then fine, but when I use those characters, they aren't going to act like the Mane Six - they don't need to act like them, I have the Mane Six for that, and they aren't the Concept Six in what I'm writing, they are G1 characters (or references to them) - the closest they get to being the Concept Six is that they are going to team up in at least one episode, but that's more of a shout out to the Concept Six than anything.
As for Surprise... yeah, she isn't the pony I would have imagined with Valley Girl speak... I could do my usual thing, and just say that this is a "this" Surprise thing, but if the point is to bring G1s and G3s over then, it makes more sense for them to act in someway that is closer to how they did there? Interpretations aside...?
(I'm trying my hardest not to sound a hypocrite with my project, since there will be creative licence with all generations I use...)
Also... I actually do find Tales making sense as part of the FiM world, no offense, but I always felt like they were easy to imagine in Equestria... all pre-G4s are in my mind, but I always felt Tales fit in relatively easily - I know they have cars and that, but I always felt that was easy to overlook if you were putting them in a G4 (or even a G3, G3.5 or earlier G1, and probably even a G2) world, so they wouldn't be aware of cars etc. unless the story was that they'd litterally gone from their own world to the other one.
That said, I think I have a different look toward Tales, like I've seen people essentially say that the show isn't "My Little Pony" enough, and that you could make them any other animal (including humans) and nothing would change, and there's not enough fantasy to it (I think that's been said), but I never felt that... it is very MLP to me, and I can see the fantasy potential in it.
Also... I may be wrong, but I could have sworn that ponies walking a rainbow was a G1 thing, or another pre-G4 thing? Like I feel that it may be a comic book or a backcard story? I'm not sure, but it feels more pre-G4 than G4, even with the whole "Pegasi can live in clouds" thing...
Maybe it's because Firefly and Medley slid down a rainbow in the first episode/special? I just feel that walking on rainbows has been done before...
(Just Realized: I may be thinking of "Best Friends Until the End of Time", which was a G4 thing, but I might not be...)
NOOO!! Ugh lost my long reply and got to do it all over :cry:SpoilerLet’s try this again…
But first, the dialogue they already have Galaxy saying just feels G4 because they made her say “everypony”….anyway.
I forgot to say my reasoning of being annoyed with the rainbow stuff. If it was only Pegasi and flutter ponies on it then the rainbow walking I could understand cause the flutter ponies did on that fake rainbow and Surprise on the frozen rainbow and now realizing I forgot about firefly and medley. Flying types.
BUT :shocked: thinking about it now I’d understand if it’s THE Rainbow of Light they are all walking on. Then I’d be ok with it :blush:
I love Tales, just at the time I saw it, Bonbon/Tales was the furthest ponies I’d see being used in the comic. But now thinking on it, Patch seems the one they should have used but reading Carrehz post, it’s probably why they used Bonbon in the first place -_- there’s a moment pinkie pie brings up aliens and bonbon says she loves aliens….I feel that’s Patch not Bonbon, I don’t think Bonbon has ever mentioned aliens??
……
As of the possible start of this issue? they don’t interact with their counterparts, so far only Surprise shows up and “surprises!” her way into taking over North Star’s recounting the Witches story to Twilight and Co. at which that’s the end of the preview. So I’m thinking Surprise might finish the tale? They don’t even bother twinkle eyeing Galaxy, they only add a star in her eye.
Oh boy, can’t wait until the 26th to be even more annoyed and unimpressed! :| :shrug: :what:
My disclaimer - all my post is based on you guys giving me second hand information, since I have no intention of reading this myself. But with that said...SpoilerThe fact they make a g1 pony say 'everypony' fills me with rage. It fits one of my most hated G4 customs, the desire to impose G4 everything on older generations where it doesn't belong.
Surprise is basically just being reinterpreted as Pinkie Pie because she's the concept 6 for Pinkie Pie. I don't think it requires a deeper explanation, since this is a G4 comic pretending to do G1 stuff to try and grab new readers given their own is fading away. But I can't imagine any actual G1 person would not notice these things.
That all said, G1 ponies do not have a set canon in their characterisation, so even if it's ugly, it's not out of keeping with G1 as a whole. So I am less mad about the warping of Surprise, given that if I'm honest with myself, I get just as annoyed by some of the G1 animation characterisations compared with the comic, and yet know they're valid.
On the tales pony. My initial thought was that it was a positive thing, as it maybe demonstrated they were part of G1, but I've rethought based on the possible (?) mention G3 Minty is in there. If so, Bon Bon may be there to 'represent G2' and in which case, it's as disgusting as Galaxy saying 'everypony'. It may be no such thing but otherwise using a tales pony seems a bit random. So that would be my instinct.
On the subject of sliding down the rainbow. I have a feeling this may have happened in the comic around the waterfall at some point. I don't have any issues with it at all really. It's just a bit odd.
So in summary - 'everypony' and Bonbon - if representing G2 - are disgusting. Everything else is just their creative freedom, even if it's a bit lame.
I feel like it's even moire mysterious why they would want to do a G1xG4 crossover given they don't understand even the first thing about G1. It feels like a very poor fanfiction that is somehow getting sold instead of just read online? They should just have left it G4.
My disclaimer - all my post is based on you guys giving me second hand information, since I have no intention of reading this myself. But with that said...SpoilerThe fact they make a g1 pony say 'everypony' fills me with rage. It fits one of my most hated G4 customs, the desire to impose G4 everything on older generations where it doesn't belong.
Surprise is basically just being reinterpreted as Pinkie Pie because she's the concept 6 for Pinkie Pie. I don't think it requires a deeper explanation, since this is a G4 comic pretending to do G1 stuff to try and grab new readers given their own is fading away. But I can't imagine any actual G1 person would not notice these things.
That all said, G1 ponies do not have a set canon in their characterisation, so even if it's ugly, it's not out of keeping with G1 as a whole. So I am less mad about the warping of Surprise, given that if I'm honest with myself, I get just as annoyed by some of the G1 animation characterisations compared with the comic, and yet know they're valid.
On the tales pony. My initial thought was that it was a positive thing, as it maybe demonstrated they were part of G1, but I've rethought based on the possible (?) mention G3 Minty is in there. If so, Bon Bon may be there to 'represent G2' and in which case, it's as disgusting as Galaxy saying 'everypony'. It may be no such thing but otherwise using a tales pony seems a bit random. So that would be my instinct.
On the subject of sliding down the rainbow. I have a feeling this may have happened in the comic around the waterfall at some point. I don't have any issues with it at all really. It's just a bit odd.
So in summary - 'everypony' and Bonbon - if representing G2 - are disgusting. Everything else is just their creative freedom, even if it's a bit lame.
I feel like it's even moire mysterious why they would want to do a G1xG4 crossover given they don't understand even the first thing about G1. It feels like a very poor fanfiction that is somehow getting sold instead of just read online? They should just have left it G4.SpoilerI hated it so much when I read it. NOT G1 AT ALL!
The Surprise stuff irritates me because she is my absolute favorite pony and it makes me RAGE comparing her to Pinkie Pie. No matter the circumstances :blush:
I'm also upset with myself when my mind is hyper focused on the tv show and forgetting about the UK comics, I need to re read my collection. My nostalgia kicks in too hard :blush:
Oh my I forgot all about the "Tales is G2" thing :blink:
I decided to just show the preview pages I got to see:
I do appreciate that Surprise's hair isn't yellow :lol:
I'm dreading to read the full comic at midnight :P
With the Transformer comic, my best friend showed me a page just because of LGBTQ+ content (if I'm thinking clearly), but other than that I have no clue if it's any good.
MIDNIGHT EDIT: REVIEW….
:shocked: :| >_< -_- :mad: :pout:SpoilerWhen I thought I couldn’t hate it more, they found a way! Though the beginning had a kind of nice pace…they messed it all up and hit fast forward!
Surprise continues her horrible “valley/surf guy” dialog….
Ugh! Just so much was rushed in this issue -_- why did the writers and such hype that they liked G1??? Cause I don’t see it :blink:
I do feel like G1 ponies don't need to speak G4-ponyish. They can leave that to the G4 ponies, and speak their own way, surely?I suppose devil's advocate says that everything is there to be reinterpreted through a new lens, otherwise it doesn't stay alive. And it's a way to connect G4 fans who are curious to the older generations through something they understand...? Maybe?SpoilerIt's just I guess evidence that the people writing aren't fans of G1, they're more likely fans of G4 who are not hostile to G1, but don't know a lot about it. The smooze plot is good indication of that, since the smooze ate the Rainbow of Light, and that's also Megan dressed from RaMC...not the movie.
Baby Lickety Split must've grown up, and Bon Bon and Minty have never seen smooze, so what use they'll be I can't tell you.
I actually can't remember if Galaxy is in the movie. She probably is, timeline wise, but the fact I can't remember makes me think she's an odd choice of spokespony.
Yeah, I get that they're not actively mocking G1, but it's not exactly respectful either, to just merge them into the G4 world like they don't believe G1 has anything of its own to offer. It's not a negative light, but it's not really a positive one, since they're just there as props to further (a weak) G4-based narrative. Don't get me wrong, that's not an attack on G4, just the story they're building here is weak because they don't seem to know quite what they want from it. New characters, then old characters, then changing characters...
It's just a shame that they could have done so much to make this a really good story between two different types of pony, and it didn't happen. And I don't like generational crossovers, but it could have been done so much better for the fans of both.
Sidenote - it's hard to know why any G1 pony would be surprised at Pinkie Pie'susual attention seeking nonsenseclumsiness, given the existence of Fizzy.
And if BonBon is there for the reason I think, that's not good. We shouldn't endorse something that wants to steamroller over the existence of a whole generation simply because they didn't have a cartoon.
But it's not really a crossover. There's nothing in this for G1 fans, unless they're also fans of G4...though if I were a G4 fan, I think I'd be confused.
There's not much for G4 fans either because it's a really lame comic issue. The comics have always been rather hit or miss, but the series mostly focuses on random villains that G4 fans aren't given a reason to care about. They usually put a lot of new characters into the comics, but those comics can often be weaker.
SpoilerGalaxy isn't in the movie - her first appearance in the show is in "The End of Flutter Valley",l as an animation error, then her proper debut is in "The Ghost of Paradise Estate".
Personally I don't mind a bit of reinterpretation re: who was around for what events, etc, since the series was always a bit of a "revolving door of ponies" anyway (complete cast changeovers between RaMC and Catrina, and then again for the Movie; SS Twilight/Locket/FT babies just appearing out of nowhere), but yeah having Galaxy specifically be the main pony for this sort of thing is a weird choice, going off you guys' posts (haven't read the issue myself yet).
The G4 speak annoys me since (aside from the fact that I've always hated "everypony" etc anyway, it just sounds so stupid and forced... and, you know, G1 ponies didn't talk like that) - lack of differentiation between the casts!! when you have two distinct cast groups like this meet (esp. in a crossover situation, which this ostensibly is...), you want to really push the differences between the two, emphasize "these are different ponies from a different place (and time? idk)". If they all use the exact same expressions, speech patterns, etc then there's not much left to distinguish between the G4 gang and the G1 ponies, right?
SpoilerGalaxy isn't in the movie - her first appearance in the show is in "The End of Flutter Valley",l as an animation error, then her proper debut is in "The Ghost of Paradise Estate".
Personally I don't mind a bit of reinterpretation re: who was around for what events, etc, since the series was always a bit of a "revolving door of ponies" anyway (complete cast changeovers between RaMC and Catrina, and then again for the Movie; SS Twilight/Locket/FT babies just appearing out of nowhere), but yeah having Galaxy specifically be the main pony for this sort of thing is a weird choice, going off you guys' posts (haven't read the issue myself yet).
The G4 speak annoys me since (aside from the fact that I've always hated "everypony" etc anyway, it just sounds so stupid and forced... and, you know, G1 ponies didn't talk like that) - lack of differentiation between the casts!! when you have two distinct cast groups like this meet (esp. in a crossover situation, which this ostensibly is...), you want to really push the differences between the two, emphasize "these are different ponies from a different place (and time? idk)". If they all use the exact same expressions, speech patterns, etc then there's not much left to distinguish between the G4 gang and the G1 ponies, right?SpoilerThat's why I highly dislike the 'daughters' because they are making them sound like G4's/Equestria Girl's when they should have made them not know much about modern world stuff! This issue is where I HATE their talk because the writer threw in Grackle saying "They're fighting like they're on Real Horsewives: Equestria!" G4 doesn't have tv/tv shows right?? Just UGHHH. (I forget I guess they can view what's going on?? but that point is so unclear! I looked thru the other issues again and it just seems that they can suddenly view what's going on in Ponyville... I give up o.O )
Just so tired of their 'modern' talk, THEY LIVE IN A VOLCANO. And how they never want to leave it, I know they 'can't use magic out of the volcano" but with how it's all going, they seem to not be able to LEAVE it by normal means?? So confusing!
Some deep dive details that bugs me?SpoilerSome random light bulb shows up for a moment, "Great Question!", in this issue when they get back to the daughters for that rage inducing "Horsewives" BS...
I guess the locket is GOLD now...
Somehow Rosedust knows how the Locket works... and why only one Flutter pony... but they probably won't use Utter Flutter cause "OMG G4 ADDED RAINBOW POWER" to Rainbow of Light. WHICH them showing how the Rainbow of Light works after the locket is opened is TERRIBLE! CONFUSING! TERRIBLE CONFUSING MESS! because if you hadn't watched the original special, when the Rainbow soaked up the Darkness, then started working. That kinda happens but so vague I was confused what I was seeing :pout:
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Then a stupid segment with Opal, I just hate it cause it was suddenly thrown in for North Star to say ONE thing for Twilight to remember something. Also it bugged me cause they spent a slow time getting to issue 4 then now they have to rush everything in last minute :pout:
OOHHHH THE BIGGEST ANGRY EYE ROLL I just remembered...GRR!! Pinkie Pie showing off the store to get a 'pen and a couch' so they made the G1's have a STORE and naming it something to fit in the 80's... UGH!!
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That's just the huge things that upset me :blush:
So much UGH all around for me :lookround:
The only thing that G3 ever angered me was a part in the Minty's Christmas special. SANTA CLAUSE. because he was shown as human but they all knew him when they didn't know unicorns and pegsasi XD But yeah, now I don't care much cause I enjoy the music CD XD
I also feel that they could just take out the G1's and it's G4 and they just found a weird artifact and some girls got stuck in a volcano could be just like the sirens, banished from ponies into humans. :shrug:
Honestly, that was the impression I got, too. Like they just went "this is how people talked Back In The Day, right????" and called it a day.
Honestly, that was the impression I got, too. Like they just went "this is how people talked Back In The Day, right????" and called it a day.
Cowabunga, dude. It's like, truly outrageous :D
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41. :what:
She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!" :drunk:
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41. :what:
She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!" :drunk:
But was it truly outrageous?
41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41. :what:
She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!" :drunk:
But was it truly outrageous?
41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.
That doesn't mean they were familiar with the media. It could be a situation like Lauren Faust where she pretty much made up her own personalities and storylines for the ponies they played with.
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41. :what:
She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!" :drunk:
But was it truly outrageous?
41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.
That doesn't mean they were familiar with the media. It could be a situation like Lauren Faust where she pretty much made up her own personalities and storylines for the ponies they played with.
Yes, but, in that context you don't choose to do a G1 crossover with an existing storyline. You use one of your own, like she did.
What doesn't make sense is saying they are a fan of G1, but at the same time, not managing to get the plot or the ponies in the g1 storyline correct. Because you would also think they'd research the subject if it was something they'd never come across.
I never saw the movie as a kid. I wrote lots of pony stories, but I never wrote a story involving Hydia and the smooze, even though they appeared randomly in that one comic when I was about nine or so. It's not something you get inspired by if you haven't seen it. But if you have seen it, you should at least reference it accurately...or not call the comic a 'crossover'.
I stand by my point.
I looked up the writer and found their twitter and apparently they are 41. :what:
She said that issue 4, "It's truly my favorite issue!" :drunk:
But was it truly outrageous?
41 means they have no excuse. THey'd actually have GROWN UP with G1.
That doesn't mean they were familiar with the media. It could be a situation like Lauren Faust where she pretty much made up her own personalities and storylines for the ponies they played with.
Yes, but, in that context you don't choose to do a G1 crossover with an existing storyline. You use one of your own, like she did.
What doesn't make sense is saying they are a fan of G1, but at the same time, not managing to get the plot or the ponies in the g1 storyline correct. Because you would also think they'd research the subject if it was something they'd never come across.
I never saw the movie as a kid. I wrote lots of pony stories, but I never wrote a story involving Hydia and the smooze, even though they appeared randomly in that one comic when I was about nine or so. It's not something you get inspired by if you haven't seen it. But if you have seen it, you should at least reference it accurately...or not call the comic a 'crossover'.
I stand by my point.
I agree, they probably half read the synopsis on wiki and just threw everything at the wall.
Dunno if they're losing it for MLP, but I do know for sure they're losing it for Transformers and G.I. Joe. Hopefully they'll lose the rest too.They're not. In fact, a G5 IDW comic series was just announced (https://www.mlpmerch.com/2022/02/idw-announces-g5-comic-series-titled-my.html).
Dunno if they're losing it for MLP, but I do know for sure they're losing it for Transformers and G.I. Joe. Hopefully they'll lose the rest too.They're not. In fact, a G5 IDW comic series was just announced (https://www.mlpmerch.com/2022/02/idw-announces-g5-comic-series-titled-my.html).
The artwork in these is absolutely atrocious. Not because it's ugly, but because the artist clearly does not care. Just about every single pony she draws is very clearly traced from either vectors from the show (https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2021/10/20/2728446.jpg), or even fanart (https://derpicdn.net/img/2022/1/26/2793010/large.png).
I love this image. I couldn't find all of the vectors at the time but this is so perfect.In that case, have some more (ft. art theft from other issues of MLP IDW)
Okay there seems to be a lot of IDW bashing suddenly going on in this thread so I just wanted to step in and say how much I firmly, vehemently disagree with that statement. IDW is an amazing company. Is everything they do of good quality? No, of course not. Just like any company. This Generations crossover was a complete disaster. It's not the only poorly made comic they've produced either, but neither is it what they normally make.
It's not easy being a comic book company when you're not Marvel or DC. Those two had a monopolizing stranglehold on the comics industry for many years, and IDW went up against them and took a great concept (revitalizing franchises from the 80's and 90's that we feel nostaligic for) and giving us new stories with the characters we love from our childhoods.
I've never read the Transformers of GI Joe series, but I absolutely adore the TMNT and Ghostbusters comics they've given us, and there's been a lot of MLP FiM comics from them that I enjoy too. I liked their little Back to the Future mini-series, too. Also I liked the Jem comics and I'm sad that they weren't popular enough to continue. They changed the story, yes, but just like The Babysitters Club show on Netflix, you have to modernize your story sometimes in order to reach a modern audience.
Keep in mind that there's over 100 issues of TMNT and over 50 issues of Ghostbuters comics from IDW. They have shown they can withstand the test of time. People do like their content enough to have kept them afloat for years.
The MLP IDW comics ran from 2012 to 2021. That's nine years! That's a great run for a comic series. A lot of the stories in the comics were aimed at kids, being simply friendship lessons, with a few being a little more in-depth and complicated. Similar to the MLP FiM show, actually.
Sometimes they have really great artists, and sometimes they don't. There's been a lot of awesome MLP comic art over the years. Some of the art is traced, yes, but not often. (The same can actually be said of any comic book, including Marvel and DC. People have been pointing out traced art in comic books since comic books were invented, basically.)
There's 100+ issues of the main MLP comic series, and a side-series called Friends Forever that has Mane 6 and background characters team up on little adventures. It gives a lot of random characters, like the Mayor and Shining Armor and Babs Seed, time to shine. The side series has over 30 issues. With other stand-alone stories and Annuals and other mini-series, there are about 200 issues of MLP FiM comics altogether. It's one of IDW's most successful series out of all their franchises.
I will repeat that yes, Generations was horrible. It's sad that the FiM comics ended with a whimper and not a bang. The art is bad, the story is very bad. They lied when they said it was a Crossover, because it basically wasn't. Like Carrehz said, it might have been a thrown together project that they did just to have something until the G5 comics were ready.
IDW is precious to me, because they keep alive the shows and movies that meant so much to me as a kid. And it's obvious it's not just a cash grab. IDW actually cares about these franchises. If you follow the Twitter accounts of the artists, you'll see how much they are fans of these franchises. (In fact one of the primary Ghostbusters comic artists was just a fan who made tons of Ghostbusters fanart on DA until IDW hired him to make it officially. You can still find his old DA account with all his old fanart.)
So please, if you haven't read other IDW comics, don't come into this thread and assume that everything this company produces is bad based on our reviews here, because it's not. Don't automatically assume the G5 comic is going to be horrible. Personally, I'm excited to see new stories from these characters that we barely got to know from the movie.
Not every comic appeals to every person, just like any form of art. But if you like old 80's cartoons and you someday see IDW has made a comic based on it, maybe pick it up and judge for yourself. :)
SpoilerGood point on the "is Tales 'representing' G2" thing - hadn't even considered that but you could be onto something... she HAS to be there for Brony-related reasons. It can't be a coincidence that they picked the one whose name bronies borrowed for a G4 background pony.
Honestly I've never understood why this comic exists. It's clearly not aimed at us - you know, G1 fans - but... I dunno, I can't say I know how G4 fans think, what they'd like to see, etc, but would they really be into this...? It seems so far removed from the G1 cartoons (or ANY previous G1 works - like I've said all along, I'm fine with a bit of reinterpretation, mixing canons, etc, but this just really feels like G1 in name only, not much connection to anything? It doesn't "feel" like G1) that surely it wouldn't appeal to any G4 fans who maybe enjoy some concepts from G1 but not the gen itself? if that makes sense? I'm sure there ARE some primarily-G4 fans who are also into G1...
The G4 stuff in the comic felt pretty generic to me, what I read of it, but I don't do G4 so I can't really comment there.
It's just a weird choice for a comic all around. Surely a crossover is meant to appeal to fans of both properties that were crossing over? Why make a "crossover" and then have it focus on entirely new chars who have nothing to do with G1 other than some very tenuous, vague, tacked-in links to older characters - which you could snip out and it wouldn't affect the story itself - and not introduce any actual G1 characters until the story's already over half over?!?! I know I keep saying this, but it's just so bizarre!
Out of curiosity - I know there was a FiM/Transformers crossover comic at some point - has anyone on here read it? Did that suffer from the same problems as this G1 comic or was it a proper crossover?
I haven't read the G1 crossover either. It would be ok to me if they took on one art style or another but combining them... eh. It would have been fun to make them all look like G1 when they entered the G1 universe.
I haven't read the G1 crossover either. It would be ok to me if they took on one art style or another but combining them... eh. It would have been fun to make them all look like G1 when they entered the G1 universe.
I agree, that would have been a cute idea! And then when the G1's went to Ponyville, they would have changed to the G4 style! If we had spent equal time in both places--so we would have got to see more of both styles--that would have been fun.
And that would give the opportunity for the promotion of the so called 'retro' versions of the G4 as well, wouldn't it...if they drew them a bit G1ish...
And that would give the opportunity for the promotion of the so called 'retro' versions of the G4 as well, wouldn't it...if they drew them a bit G1ish...
That would've made sense when the Retro Rainbow ponies were first released, as it is I'm not sure how available they are right now? I only ever saw them briefly at The Entertainer, over a year after their US release, and they only got 4/6 of the set in. Took me the better part of a year to hunt down the last two online. I'm not sure how wide a release they got?
'course, if they were smart, that would've been a great tie-in. Re-release the Retro Rainbows and have the comic put the G4 chars in the G1 style.. that would've been rad.
7. Put the poor forgotten G2 ponies in there, at least for a cameo.G2-who? Never heard of her :P
That would be My Little Pony Tales.7. Put the poor forgotten G2 ponies in there, at least for a cameo.G2-who? Never heard of her :P
That would be My Little Pony Tales.7. Put the poor forgotten G2 ponies in there, at least for a cameo.G2-who? Never heard of her :P
Put those tomatoes down - it was a joke!
But yeah, the G2... the actual G2s need to their moments in the spotlight (I'll be sure to make sure they do.)