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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Taffeta on July 01, 2019, 07:52:49 AM
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Specifically the Netherlands and possibly Belgium as well...
I know Germany and France had carded Princesses. I know Italy had dragons like the UK did. But this interests me in particular...
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Does this mean the Netherlands also had dragons with their first set Princesses?
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I have talked to a dutch collector and she said, the Netherlands have had the ponies with dragons.
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I don’t know for sure as the princesses are later releases than I have checked into, but searching the Swedish BST site I have seen several of the dragons being sold. Enough for me to noticing and finding it interesting. I haven’t checked it out though, but it might be that Sweden had the dragons? Maybe some Swedish collectors would now. Or I can check my sources, and probably find out ;)
I don’t think we had the dragons in Norway though, although I can’t really be sure. I do remember the bushwoollies as a kid, so therefore I’m thinking we had them in Norway. But I don’t really know either way :lookround:
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Thanks guys. I am guessing they got imported in the netherlands then...since I know the 2nd set were sold there in English (US) boxes but labelled up with belgian and dutch labels.
@Katrine, I have wondered about what happened in Scandinavian/Norse countries as well, because I know you didn't always have the same thing but it's one of those sets where there's mixed and vague information. Maybe that is the reason - Sweden had dragons and you had bushwoolies. I wonder about Denmark and Finland.
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@Taffeta: yes, Scandinavia is a mess :lol: It makes sense though that Sweden would have the dragons. They followed your releases much more closely than we did in Norway. They had the first set of PnC babies (with AJ), they had the Mountain boys and I even think they had that lilac buggy with baby Lemondrop? Not sure though. We had none of those in Norway.
Finland and Denmark are more of a black hole to me at the moment. I don’t know anything about Finland, and Denmark seems over all much more linked to the releases in Central Europe. They got a lot of Italians for instance, that was not common in Norway, but I am following local Danish BST sites and there are a lot of Italians from childhood collections. Maybe someone from Denmark and Finland can add more info- I would love to learn more about releases from those countries!
Anyway, I can check this out a little bit more- it is on my «to do»-list to check the princess releases anyway ;)
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Update!
I did find confirmation that the princesses were sold with dragons in Sweden ;) I have no idea about Norway, Finland and Denmark I’m afraid. That needs more digging :thumb:
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Back in the days when I had my Ponies in Europe thread, I had people chip in and say that princesses with dragons were a thing in Hungary and Israel.
https://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,393395.msg1743338.html#msg1743338
https://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,393395.msg1744491.html#msg1744491
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A friend of mine has her childhood Princesses with Dragons ;) So funny enough those ended up here in NL
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So then I guess the question should be, who had dragons, who had bushwoolies, and who had nothing?
@Shaz - that doesn't surprise me because Hungary and Israel both seem to have had import stuff from the UK, eg Gypsy if I remember right.
As far as I understand it right now, globally it looks like this...
Dragons
UK - UK box
Italy - Italian box
Netherlands - package unknown
Sweden
Finland
(Hungary, Israel - probably UK imports)
Bushwoolies
America
Canada
Norway
Neither
Germany (Austria, Switzerland?)
France
I'm especially interested of course in the European side, but I'm also curious about Aus, NZ and South Africa as they have such mixed releases.
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Finland had dragons. I vividly remember getting Serena as a gift on my 5th birthday. I still have the green little dragon that came with her.
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Finland had dragons. I vividly remember getting Serena as a gift on my 5th birthday. I still have the green little dragon that came with her.
Ok, so I can put Finland on the dragon list :D THank you :D
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Super unhelpful answer (sorry) but oh my gosh that pic is the cutest!!! Also this thread is fascinating, I love stuff like this.
(well, I don't love the bizarre distribution, I guess... but it's interesting to hear about years later :p)
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Finland had dragons. I vividly remember getting Serena as a gift on my 5th birthday. I still have the green little dragon that came with her.
Oh! That is interesting! Does this mean you also had perhaps others that were released in Sweden too? Such as the Mountain Boys, baby Applejack and Truly/Cupcake from the Pony Friends set?
Sorry for hijacking the thread a little, but I so rarely meet Finnish collectors and I know so little of the distribution of MLP in Finland :blush:
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It makes me kind of sad that most countries never got royal bushwoolies :(
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It makes me kind of sad that most countries never got royal bushwoolies :(
I have always been glad we had Dragons. Dragons are better! Lol.
Although with the variant princess thing happening we also had bushwoolies as well...kind of. I have 2 from the UK from variant Ambers.
@Katrine I don't mind the hijack. The more info I can put together about European releases the better. I am probably never going to get every detail but I want to try and tackle as much as I can since no other site is going to.
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I have always been glad we had Dragons. Dragons are better! Lol.
But did they help kill Lavan?
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I have always been glad we had Dragons. Dragons are better! Lol.
But did they help kill Lavan?
The UK Princesses didn't run around like spoiled brats wanting to be Queen, so it's an academic question.
And this thread is about the toy line and releases of toys in Europe. Not how they were represented in an American cartoon show...
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Finland had dragons. I vividly remember getting Serena as a gift on my 5th birthday. I still have the green little dragon that came with her.
Oh! That is interesting! Does this mean you also had perhaps others that were released in Sweden too? Such as the Mountain Boys, baby Applejack and Truly/Cupcake from the Pony Friends set?
Sorry for hijacking the thread a little, but I so rarely meet Finnish collectors and I know so little of the distribution of MLP in Finland :blush:
I'm not a very professional collector, so my knowledge of what was sold in Finland relies on my childhood memories. I don't know if Baby Applejack and Truly/Cupcake were sold here. I never saw them, but they could still have been sold here. I'm pretty sure Mountain Boys weren't, though.
Maybe a more knowledgeable Finnish collector could confirm?
The dragons were big on my wish list as a kid, but I could only get one princess pony. I kept an eye out for them at thrift stores. Neighbor's kid had the yellow one and I envied her so.
We also got the UK comics, translated to Finnish of course. My parents didn't buy them often for us, though, they didn't like reading the stories for my sister and me (such picky readers). But I remember there being few dragon related stories. The Finnish name of the green dragon was Naskali (that literally means piercer, the tool you use to make holes). The blue one was either Noki or Nokinenä (Soot or Soot-Nose).
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I think I have a couple of the Finnish comics somewhere xD. Also some of the German ones....
I remember there was a Finnish collector in the community who had an almost moc Ice Crystal. But I don't know where she had him from. It was a very long time ago. She came from a city in the north of the country. I don't remember any more details than that though now.
Princesses and Dragons are one of the nicest sets of the middle/later 80s for me.
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@Punaherukka:, Thanks for the info :) In my experience, childhood memories can help a lot! They give you some direction and then you can father more information to confirm or reject what you thought to be true :nod:
I also grew up in the 80/90’s, and due to childhood memories I have found out a lot about MLP distribution in Norway ;) So interesting that you had the dragons, but not the mountain boys... It would be fun to find out if you had the UK PnC set with baby AJ, or if you had the boxed set of first babies instead (or both :lol: ). I Wonder if you followed Sweden, or if you had your own distribution with different releases. I am a Little bit geeky when it comes to distribution in Scandinavia :lookround:
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I am a Little bit geeky when it comes to distribution in Scandinavia :lookround:
You have no idea how happy it makes me that you are, because I'm so much the same way about the UK XD.
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I am a Little bit geeky when it comes to distribution in Scandinavia :lookround:
You have no idea how happy it makes me that you are, because I'm so much the same way about the UK XD.
Haha! Yes, I find it super interesting and then I usually need to remind myself that not everyone is like me :lookround: Which makes me super Happy every time I find someone who shares my joy of digging up all kind of info on ponies :biggrin:
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Sweden har the dragons, in regular UK boxes. :)
@Taffeta: yes, Scandinavia is a mess :lol: It makes sense though that Sweden would have the dragons. They followed your releases much more closely than we did in Norway. They had the first set of PnC babies (with AJ), they had the Mountain boys and I even think they had that lilac buggy with baby Lemondrop? Not sure though. We had none of those in Norway.
We did have baby Lemon Drop, but not the with the Purple stroller as in the UK (although, some say they had the Purple one, but that would probably be due to some local store import). Instead we had the spanish version with the pink stroller. Although, the package was in English (you can se mine, Swedish sold spanisg baby here in the nirvana gallery :) )
Finland I dont know much about, but as already mentioned, Denmark seems to have had a lot of Italian ponies. They even had a lot of cards in danish, wich is quite odd, since it is such a small country. The only thing I have seen in Swedish is Megan and Sundance.
In Finland, (and possible Denmark too I suspect) they had the baby buggy with cuddles, that included Lemon Drop. Im pretty sure that set was never available in Sweden.
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@Leikin: Thank you, thank you for adding info! So you actually had Spanish baby Lemon Drop? Interesting! You didn’t have the Baby Buggy with Cuddles at all in Sweden?
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@Leikin: Thank you, thank you for adding info! So you actually had Spanish baby Lemon Drop? Interesting! You didn’t have the Baby Buggy with Cuddles at all in Sweden?
Yes, we had the baby buggy with cuddles in Sweden, I had her as a Child ^^. but in Finland and maybe Denmark, Lemon Drop was thrown in as an extra. They added a sticker on the box. I have the box with sticker, but mine unfortunately is missing Lemon Drop :( One of my grails is to find that set MIB that still has her included, so I can confirm wich version of Lemon Drop it was.
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That's interesting and kind of like the weird inclusion of Snuzzle with the baby stroller and baby Bow Tie here in Argos...
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That's interesting and kind of like the weird inclusion of Snuzzle with the baby stroller and baby Bow Tie here in Argos...
Oh, you had Snuzzle sold with baby Bowtie in some cases? :O well, it seems like they did some weird matches sometimes. I can imagine Snuzzle wherent really a popular pony, being grey, where the others where quite colourfull, so maybe they had spare of her to put in with bowtie, and with the parlour.
I dont know if the baby buggy with lemon drop maybe was sold as catalogue order, I have never seen anyads about it.
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Yeah. Only in Argos but in both 1985 and 1986 catalogues. And then in 1987 with the blue Grooming Parlour and the rare tags with Sunburst's name etc on. I guess they needed a way to get rid of Snuzzles. I don't know how it actually manifested, though, as this is the only evidence I have for it. Suspect they were just in a baggie inside the box but can't be sure. One of those questions still to be answered.
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While on this subject, this is the 1986 argos catalogue, and something bothers me about the colour of that Snuzzle's symbol...
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Yeah. Only in Argos but in both 1985 and 1986 catalogues. And then in 1987 with the blue Grooming Parlour and the rare tags with Sunburst's name etc on. I guess they needed a way to get rid of Snuzzles. I don't know how it actually manifested, though, as this is the only evidence I have for it. Suspect they were just in a baggie inside the box but can't be sure. One of those questions still to be answered.
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While on this subject, this is the 1986 argos catalogue, and something bothers me about the colour of that Snuzzle's symbol...
Yeah, I guess it is harder to include her in a nice way with the strollers. With the buggy its just an extra bag that is not showing from the outside. Or if they just send her with t as an extra, not actually putting her in the box. Would be interesting to see. ^^
And mentioning the symols. She does look little italian? or a mix between italian and HK.
Or could she be her own variant?
I suspect the Lemon Drop that was included with the buggy is the odd Lemon Drop with odd HK markings. The only two I know of both originates from Finland.
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Yeah. Sort of a shade inbetween. Also a very long forelock.
Argos generally took photos themselves of actual stock - when they used a prototype image it had the company logo on it, so that was whatever was being sold. But Italian Snuzzle wasn't sold here and if she was sold in that offer I'd expect to find more...so I suspect it's just a weird example. :/
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I do believe the Dragons got what appears to be random distribution around Europe.
I didn't know about the Bushwoolies! I only knew they came with the variants sold in the U.K.
I'm certain that both variants of the "German" princess ponies were sold without attendants.
I'm not wondering about Australia >_< :lol:
@Leikin: Thank you, thank you for adding info! So you actually had Spanish baby Lemon Drop? Interesting! You didn’t have the Baby Buggy with Cuddles at all in Sweden?
There is a picture of here MIB here :)
http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=228075
Some NC ponies, such as the family ponies and Sundance were standard releases in the U.K.
Love pkw xxx
PS I think the Mountain boys would need their own thread, I'm sure I've heard they got distributed in Sweden.
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PS I think the Mountain boys would need their own thread, I'm sure I've heard they got distributed in Sweden.
I know ponies can travel a lot, but my Tornado came from Sweden, so I am disposed to believe the theory that they were sold there.
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PS I think the Mountain boys would need their own thread, I'm sure I've heard they got distributed in Sweden.
I know ponies can travel a lot, but my Tornado came from Sweden, so I am disposed to believe the theory that they were sold there.
I am fairly certain that's established, though if I'm wrong I'm sure Leikin will put me straight.
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PS I think the Mountain boys would need their own thread, I'm sure I've heard they got distributed in Sweden.
I know ponies can travel a lot, but my Tornado came from Sweden, so I am disposed to believe the theory that they were sold there.
I am fairly certain that's established, though if I'm wrong I'm sure Leikin will put me straight.
:bigups: Thanks!
It was something that was mentioned casually to me by savetheponies, who sees them (especially Sunburst) come up for sale A LOT in the Swedish groups. It is nice to have it confirmed :)
Princess pictures incoming!
German Leaflet/booklet (image not mine) showing regular hair princesses. The writing states they come with comb, hat and wand, no mention of an attendant.
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If you look at this leaflet (I think this image is mine? I cannot remember) it is almost identical to the UK leaflet (the art work is the same and the ponies are in the same poses), expect no attendants (unlike the UK leaflet) are shown and the language is German.
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Finally, magazine/comic advert (image not mine)
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I have not seen a German Princess MOC and I have never seen an alternate haired variant German MOC or in any of the leaflets/comics/etc either.
I hope this is helpful :)
Love pkw xxx
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PKW, that's amazing. (If you have a way to check if the insert image is yours, I'd love to be able to use it, but if not, then it's fine too. Just seeing it is helpful as it pretty much indicates what you said.)
The insert for the UK in that blue style is the second version to feature the Princesses and is from 1988 (although dated 1987) so that fits with them having the bordered cards in France and it's probably the same kind of release. We had them in 1987 and 1988 here but with dragons both years, and the packaging didn't change, but I've felt for a while that France and Germany had them in the later year on card, as well as the TEs.
Actually, I have a 1987(?) German booklet, I should check there. I didn't think of it, but I don't remember them being in it.
Edit to add: They are in it. I'll upload the image to add to the collection :):
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So what that means for their packaging I don't know, but still no attendants.
I've also never seen a variant one MOC or a german language one, only French ones. I wonder if any German folk have in their huntings?
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This is the ad I have for Germany. There is more text at the bottom. I can understand this much, and from what I can see there's no mention of dragons in the other text, but the other princess names are all listed.
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Can confirm that boxed princesses with dragons were sold in Iceland, but never Bushwoolies. Can also confirm that Mountain Boys were sold in Iceland. Not only do I remember them in shops, I have found too many in the wild over the years for it to be a coincidence. :) Same goes for many other UK and Euro "exclusives".
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Can confirm that boxed princesses with dragons were sold in Iceland, but never Bushwoolies. Can also confirm that Mountain Boys were sold in Iceland. Not only do I remember them in shops, I have found too many in the wild over the years for it to be a coincidence. :) Same goes for many other UK and Euro "exclusives".
Awesome! Thank you for that!
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I’ll dig my leaflets and stuff out, it’s the only way I can be sure.
I’m glad it’s helpful :)
Love pkw xxx
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Specifically the Netherlands and possibly Belgium as well...
I know Germany and France had carded Princesses. I know Italy had dragons like the UK did. But this interests me in particular...
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Does this mean the Netherlands also had dragons with their first set Princesses?
That is...they look... :huh:
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I’ve been through all my stuff and I’m disappointed that I don’t own the leaflet or adverts in the pictures I’ve posted :( I’ve plenty of other German comic advert clippings, but none of the princesses -_-
This website states they didn’t get attendants, I was hoping it would have images on, but it doesn’t sadly.
http://www.ponylande.de/g1/jahre/jahr5/jahr5.html#princess
Love pkw xxx
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Specifically the Netherlands and possibly Belgium as well...
I know Germany and France had carded Princesses. I know Italy had dragons like the UK did. But this interests me in particular...
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Does this mean the Netherlands also had dragons with their first set Princesses?
That is...they look... :huh:
There is definitely some flirting going on.
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The first princesses were sold with dragons in Denmark. I clearly remember seeing them in the toystore thinking they looked so special. They were sold in boxes. I think it was the same packaging as the UK.
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What this thread is showing really really clearly is how different releases were within Europe.
I know it's been said before, but the blanket "UK-and-Europe" classification needs to be ripped up and ditched.
It's so much more specific than that. For there to be such variations even within the Norse countries, and then between mainland European countries like Holland, France, Germany...Italy...
And of course we're in there too somewhere.
Thanks for that info on Denmark. You guys did seem to get more Italian ponies than some of your neighbours, so it's interesting you had the same as Sweden and us, but not as Norway...
Mind you the Netherlands seem to have had dragons too and I would so like to know in what packaging, since Italy's is so pretty and unique.
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Oh, oh, let me add. Iceland got Italian ponies, too. One of my first childhood ponies was Italy Applejack (I still have her!) and she's sooo common here, along with Italy Peachy, Bowtie, Rainbow ponies...
I 100% agree on that UK-Euro exclusive term. It's waaay overdue being ditched.
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Oh, oh, let me add. Iceland got Italian ponies, too. One of my first childhood ponies was Italy Applejack (I still have her!) and she's sooo common here, along with Italy Peachy, Bowtie, Rainbow ponies...
I 100% agree on that UK-Euro exclusive term. It's waaay overdue being ditched.
Unfortunately so long as everyone insists there are US ponies, then there must also be UK-Europe ponies.
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I think the reason for the differences in the distribution between the European countries and even within the Scandinavian countries back then is because Hasbro didn't have the international branches they have today. Back then a company called K.E. Leg distributed MLP in Denmark. I am sure Sweden, Norway, The Netherlands etc. each had a different company within their country that distributed MLP. It was up to each company to decide what they would import and that of course would lead to diffences in distribution between the countries.
We sure did get a lot of Italian ponies in Denmark and we even got them in Danish packaging. I think that is something K.E. Leg decided to do.
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Specifically the Netherlands and possibly Belgium as well...
I know Germany and France had carded Princesses. I know Italy had dragons like the UK did. But this interests me in particular...
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Does this mean the Netherlands also had dragons with their first set Princesses?
That is...they look... :huh:
There is definitely some flirting going on.
That wasn't what I was thinking. I was thinking they looked unintentionally creepy. Its the circles by the blush and eyes.
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I just want to know what's going on between Royal Blue/Sapphire and Tracks in that pic. :P are they playing hat toss or something?
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PS I think the Mountain boys would need their own thread, I'm sure I've heard they got distributed in Sweden.
I know ponies can travel a lot, but my Tornado came from Sweden, so I am disposed to believe the theory that they were sold there.
I am fairly certain that's established, though if I'm wrong I'm sure Leikin will put me straight.
Leikin to the rescue! :P I'm 99% sure that the mountain boys where sold her. Two of the few still MOC mountain boys originates from someones way back Collection since they where sold in stores. Although, it doesnt neceserly prove they where not bought abroad, but they do pop up quite often second hand here.
I think the reason for the differences in the distribution between the European countries and even within the Scandinavian countries back then is because Hasbro didn't have the international branches they have today. Back then a company called K.E. Leg distributed MLP in Denmark. I am sure Sweden, Norway, The Netherlands etc. each had a different company within their country that distributed MLP. It was up to each company to decide what they would import and that of course would lead to diffences in distribution between the countries.
Good Point. In Sweden they where distributed by Playmix.
Another Point, as I Think we discuseed this in some other thread log ago, but the Swedish ad with baby Lemon Drop shows the spanish baby in pink stroller, so the photo seems to be taken directly for our market, and not using a regular UK baby as stand in.
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Specifically the Netherlands and possibly Belgium as well...
I know Germany and France had carded Princesses. I know Italy had dragons like the UK did. But this interests me in particular...
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Does this mean the Netherlands also had dragons with their first set Princesses?
That is...they look... :huh:
There is definitely some flirting going on.
That wasn't what I was thinking. I was thinking they looked unintentionally creepy. Its the circles by the blush and eyes.
They look like they haven't slept in a week. :P