oh yes lots of things! I think people are more sophisticated than just "hate vs love". there are even things about G1 i don't like so. it's give and take. two way street imo.oh, I know it’s more complicated than that. I wasn’t trying to paint it out to be, really. XD I wouldn’t want anyone taking it that way, either. And I’m quite sure that that og fans know and can admit to no mlp gen being perfect, and I’m not saying they are. I just want to pic people’s brains and see what they most liked about g4 is all.
oh yes lots of things! I think people are more sophisticated than just "hate vs love". there are even things about G1 i don't like so. it's give and take. two way street imo.Echoing this. :)
I collect all generations, and have a *massive* collection(and a tiny house). That’s probably why the thing I like most about G4 is...the size. Those tiny ponies don’t take up much space, which is at a premium over here. A lot of people complained about the size when they first came out. I remember one person comparing all the different generations, and G4s were about the size of McDonald’s ponies. That got a big reaction, and not a good one. From day one I was into the tiny ponies.ooh, that’s a good one!
Going along with that, I really loved the blind bag sized ponies - especially the playsets and figure lines that replaced the G3 Ponyville line. The whole “Nightmare Night” playset, mini playsets, and figures were a particular favorite. I thought the sculpts were well done, and the accessories were excellent. This was also where you got to see more than just the same 6 ponies over and over. They had all sorts of characters! It’s what the main line should have been.
I don't like the cartoon with its endless friendship preaching; Twilight being told to put her books away and go out and make friends is a bit too painfully autobiographical for me,I can relate to this too.
Are there any positive aspects to appreciate from g4?
The Pegasus wings on the playful sized ponies are very sweet. Just the right proportions, not too clunky and very cute.
I don't like the cartoon with its endless friendship preaching; Twilight being told to put her books away and go out and make friends is a bit too painfully autobiographical for me,I can relate to this too.
Every kid develops at their own speed and in their own way, but the last thing that any child needs is to be told by a tv show they're watching that they're not behaving 'normally' because they don't want to go out and have parties. More bothersome to me is the idea of "if you're nice to bad people they will become your friend" and "you can make friends with anyone if you try hard enough." One is dangerous, two is just not true. But not liking someone is not the same as not respecting someone, and having different perspectives is not a bad thing. Will never forget that horrible episode where Pinkie and Dash destroy an important cultural artefact in the Gryffin's territory and then say it doesn't matter because now they have the more precious notion of friendship instead.
...So many issues.
As much as we complain about FiM shoving Friendship down people's throats, I suddenly realise that its kind of unfair and hypocritical when many of us grew up in the peak era for cartoons that shoved morals, pet care, safety messages, and PSAs in little kid's faces.
But here in the US we grew up with cartoons telling us lot of stuff like don't do drugs, don't run away from home, always wear a life jacket, don't steal cars, clean up litter, always tell a trusted adult if you're being abused, guns arent toys.
But here in the US we grew up with cartoons telling us lot of stuff like don't do drugs, don't run away from home, always wear a life jacket, don't steal cars, clean up litter, always tell a trusted adult if you're being abused, guns arent toys.
Yeah, but at least these are all lessons that are actually very useful to children in real life, instead of just preaching again and again about being nice to your friends.
But here in the US we grew up with cartoons telling us lot of stuff like don't do drugs, don't run away from home, always wear a life jacket, don't steal cars, clean up litter, always tell a trusted adult if you're being abused, guns arent toys.
Yeah, but at least these are all lessons that are actually very useful to children in real life, instead of just preaching again and again about being nice to your friends.
Well that is a good lesson. If you treat the people who care about you like crap, you'll end up with no one, or they'll tell you where you can shove it and to change your attitude before it gets to that point.
Its being nice to your enemies or trying to force everyone to be like you without bothering to understand them, that's the issue. But even the first two cartoons had ponies forgiving a good chunk of their enemies.
Growing up as an undiagnosed autistic kid in the eighties and nineties had a lot of challenges, the biggest of which were bullies. And people I tried to be nice to to get them to leave me alone, and you know what happens? You get more bullied. And having been through the experience of learning that you can't make friends with everyone the hard way...and having had to learn manually from scratch to "conform and fit in" because society really can't be bothered with adapting to difference...FIM just bothers me. It feeds the wrong ideas about friendship. Whereas on the other hand you have Monster High which was continuously pushing the idea, it doesn't matter if you're different, we're all different, share your differences and be quirky and weird. (Just random small details like the fact Rochelle can't swim because she's a gargoyle and so made of stone...)
Well that is a good lesson.
And FIM DID create the brony problem. Without FIM, there are no bronies.
And FIM DID create the brony problem. Without FIM, there are no bronies.
Something people seem to forget is that the brony thing started of ironically. People started watching it because it was the kind of thing that wouldn't normally attract an older male audience. And it was these ironic bronies that brought in the genuine bronies, both good and bad. If the dudebros on the internet hadn't started watching the show as a joke and posting about it online, I can almost guarantee that the show would not be nearly as big as it is was.
Either way, I'm sorry you were treated like that in school, and I can understand why a lot of the messages in FiM would make you and others uncomfortable.
And FIM DID create the brony problem. Without FIM, there are no bronies.
Something people seem to forget is that the brony thing started of ironically. People started watching it because it was the kind of thing that wouldn't normally attract an older male audience. And it was these ironic bronies that brought in the genuine bronies, both good and bad. If the dudebros on the internet hadn't started watching the show as a joke and posting about it online, I can almost guarantee that the show would not be nearly as big as it is was.
Either way, I'm sorry you were treated like that in school, and I can understand why a lot of the messages in FiM would make you and others uncomfortable.
How do you figure that when MLP gets along quite well without a toxic internet fanbase who thinks they're the only ones who are more important then everyone else Including the Target Audience? In the states, Hasbro was rolling in dough during the G1 and G3 eras.
Well, I haven't seen the Jem cartoon but I have seen the dolls, and I admit I usually like the Misfits better in doll form! I decided a while ago that I wanted to own a Jem doll and ended up choosing Clash (purple hair!). I don't think she's in the cartoon much but she's an awesome doll.
I'm going to throw it out there that all the M6 releases makes for a lot of ponies I don't feel bad about customizing.:happy:
I'm going to throw it out there that all the M6 releases makes for a lot of ponies I don't feel bad about customizing.