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Title: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: KottonKandy on November 15, 2020, 05:05:19 AM
I think this will be a fun discussion topic, but we will see if y’all agree with me  ;)
I wanna hear what you think are areas that Hasbro really dropped the ball on. Missed opportunities or botched ideas. Just anything by you think could’ve been done better/differently!

For me, not having Rapunzel as a Brush n Grow? That was a missed opportunity. Same with only having Christmas and Valentine’s Day ponies. Imagine what neat Halloween ponies we could’ve had! (This one prob just didn’t fit their aesthetic). And I also think there should’ve been more grey ponies like Snuzzle! Grey is such a nice and soft neutral colour for the rainbow hair and symbols to really stand out on!

I know there’s at least one other thing I’ve thought of, but it slips my mind at the moment but I’ll post it if I remember lol.  :blush:

So what do YOU think Hasbro could’ve done better?
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on November 15, 2020, 06:21:34 AM
The handling of the G4 line and it's failure to tie into to the show.
The show is clearly meant to be an advertisement for the toyline-fine, typical. But what sense does it make to introduce so many characters and then just...not make those characters? We don't have a Mayor Mare!
I do like towards the Explore Equestria line we saw more background characters become pearly ponies. Yes, more of that please, but all the time, and with accessories that let kids act out the scenes from the show.
No villains? How are kids supposed to act out a playscene between the CMC and not give them Cozy Glow to be the sassy bully? I know we had DT and NMM but I mean beyond that, we had so few.
The school...Yona? Hello?
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MJNSEIFER on November 15, 2020, 06:52:20 AM
When FiM was up to season 2 at the latest, I felt that Hasbro should have released a soundtrack of the show, but with two bonus tracks; a full version of Fluttershy singing "Hush Now, Quiet Now" as the lullaby it was meant to be, and a full version of Sweetie Belle singing the Cutie Mark Crusaders' theme song.

I also felt that they could have released a toy Fluttershy that sings "Hush Now, Quiet Now" for kids to play as they go to sleep.

I agree with tailrustedtealeaf - there were so many characters introduced that weren't toys, and to add to that, there were toys introduced that weren't characters.  I've also seen a complaint that some of the places in FiM would have made great playsets, but they were never made, and if my memory of Twilight's castle is correct, there is at least one playset that doesn't even look like how it does on the show.  The show and the toyline seemed to be two different things a lot of the time...  I get that they are normally, but they were too distant, like neither was really giving anything to the other most of the time.

Cartoon wise, my friend/pen pal has often said (and I agree with him) that the later seasons could have done more episodes about the Mane Six bonding with each other, and going through things that makes their friendship stronger - seeing as that's the theme of the show.  We didn't like how Diamond Tiara ultimately stopped existing when she became nicer either, and would have loved to have seen episodes with her as the CMC's friend (actual episodes, not just her waving at them.)
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Zapper on November 15, 2020, 08:51:15 AM
G4: Show-only characters that would have made great toys, lack of poses, no green ponies.
G3: Too few unicorns and pegasi.
G2: Not having a cartoon show.
G1: Not following the RaMC art style into the show, not keeping Megan as a cowgirl.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: goddessofpeep on November 15, 2020, 09:14:20 AM
Every single major anniversary  Occasionally we got some half-hearted “special” release, but if you look at what some of their other toy lines got(Transformers, GI Joe, etc) for their major anniversaries, it’s shocking how little effort Hasbro put into MLP.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MJNSEIFER on November 15, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
Every single major anniversary  Occasionally we got some half-hearted “special” release, but if you look at what some of their other toy lines got(Transformers, GI Joe, etc) for their major anniversaries, it’s shocking how little effort Hasbro put into MLP.
I don't know what the other generations did, but one thing that shocked me was that Equestria Girls was created as an anniversary celebration.  This makes no sense, as not only does it only focus on G4, it barely even focuses on ponies!

If they're going to make the effort into animating something for an anniversary, they should at least throw in some shout-outs to the previous generations if they can't (or don't want to) actually include ponies from them.  The only thing retrospective about the first Equestria Girls (to my knowledge, I haven't watched it yet) is that some of it was written as a remake of FiM's first episode - if anything that would make more sense for FiM's anniversary, not the anniversary of the whole franchise.
Title: Re: Hasbro%u2019s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Wardah on November 15, 2020, 10:14:22 AM
Same with only having Christmas and Valentine%u2019s Day ponies. Imagine what neat Halloween ponies we could%u2019ve had! (This one prob just didn%u2019t fit their aesthetic).

There were Halloween ponies in G3. As for why not during G1, during that time Halloween was mostly just a candy and party holiday. The idea of giving full toys for Halloween seemed excessive.

As for my idea of missed opportunities, prototypes. That's all.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Carrehz on November 15, 2020, 10:25:06 AM
Prototypes, definitely. I will forever be sad the dolls meant to go with the Pony Friends never came to be. :(

Speaking of dolls, they should've made a doll of Danny! I hate only having 2/3 of the kids - call me sentimental but I always hate only having part of a family :P

And YES they really dropped the ball with characters in G4. That's always baffled me, and it goes both ways, too. The early G4 brushables gave us some nice designs - Plumsweet, Feathermay, etc - but AFAIK those never showed up in FiM? And then on the flipside, FiM had a lot of nice character designs... and no toys for 'em. :( Yeah, I get it, kids aren't necessarily going to want a toy of Background Pony #373, fair enough, but the lack of toys for more "principal" characters in the show is baffling. The school, from what I've seen of it, definitely felt "toyetic", but I think the only chars that were made into toys were Sandbar and Silverstream, right? And you can't even say "well, maybe they didn't want to make new molds" cause Sandbar had a new head, right? :s

And don't even get me started on the FiM Collection figures, that was weird. Great ideas, great toys - but the eps the toys were based on were years old by that point - why didn't they make them years before?!? @_@
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Gator on November 15, 2020, 10:28:26 AM
Big Brother Unicorns and Pegasi.  Major missed opportunity.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 15, 2020, 10:50:41 AM
G1 - Paradise with the Estate. I'll probably never forgive them for that xD. That fits into prototypes though. A lot of them should have been made. I am also still mad at Hasbro UK for omitting the early unicorns and pegs here while simultaneously promoting them. One. Or. The. Other.

I won't lie and say that I would've preferred G4 without the cartoon links being so intense. I agree with making a wider range of characters, but the connection to FIM was probably the reason that didn't happen. I don't know how much this impacts FIM but I remember that a lot of the support cast in Jem were not created by Hasbro. Of course, that doesn't mean Hasbro can't later release them  - the Starlight Girls happened for that reason - but if they weren't originally part of Hasbro's plan, then it seems less likely they'll appear in the stores. Ironically the fact that in early releases there were FIM ponies and there were different characters sold as toys demonstrated that the FIM writers and Hasbro were NOT on the same page as regards the cast.  Ultimately FIM the series swallowed up any opportunity for more diverse lines, and Hasbro didn't probably see a point in producing toys en masse if they didn't design them and didn't have that interest in them. So we ended up with the M6 and a handful of others who managed to survive that early period.

I am not saying FIM was a bad idea, but I think the way it was managed was detrimental to a varied toy line, which had always been the cornerstone of MLP in previous generations. It was avoidable. I actually think if MLP had done the same as MH and had the web shorts and then the animated long specials on DVD every so often (G3 also did this) it would have been better. The specials would have promoted the new line out at that point, alongside the mane characters, and we would have still seen variety. But eh. Hindsight.

I don't care that G2 didn't have animation, but I do regret that Hasbro gave up on it in the US so early. That has made it universally forgotten or overwritten by documentaries and later collectors. If it didn't get sold in the US, there's a tendency to either push it out to a fringe 'other' category or to omit it completely from memory. And G2 had some very pretty ponies who deserved a wider audience. It would have been nice to see G2 with some pegasus ponies that were not clip on mind you.

G3...I would have liked baby unicorns. Maybe boy ponies and sea ponies. More unicorns and pegasus ponies would have been nice as well, although there are some lovely examples of both. I wish it hadn't descended into the Core 7 at the end, because G3 did a great job of maintaining variety for the most part. 
Oh yeah, my biggest bugbear for G3 - store exclusives that don't translate overseas. Again with the US-centric market (rolls eyes), never minding the fact that G1 and G2 had both already shown greater longevity outside the US. G4 resolved this quite a bit, with many of those exclusives getting releases in other stores here. But the G3 target ponies were at the same time some of the nicest ponies in the line, and some of the most annoying for the cost and hassle of getting them. While realising Hasbro is a US company, sometimes it is very blind to the global appeal of its brand.

Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Carrehz on November 15, 2020, 11:45:29 AM
Oh YES, non-earth boys!! And unicorn G3 babies :>

G4 had a real lack of boys AND babies, really. Okay, okay, they made more boys than G3 did ;) but still, I just don't get why they made those molds and then barely used them. (and while we're at it, WHAT was with Shining Armour's awful troll hair?!? I give Hasbro a lot of grief but I'll say this for them, at least they learned from THAT mistake. >_< okay sure, the rest of the G4 brushable boys had mohawks, but I'll take a mohawk over troll hair any day)

G2 definitely needed more love (and proper pegasi, yes, definitely!!). I wish we knew more about what happened "behind the scenes" there.. I know they're far from the only toy line to die after one line (in the US, I mean) but MLP's an established brand... you'd think they'd have tried another wave before giving up altogether. :s There's a lot of MLP stuff I wish we had more info on, but the history of G2 is something I *really* want someone to do a tell-all on.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: LadyAmalthea on November 15, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
I really wish they had actually made that Ice Delight Cottage prototype. I would have loved that...both as a kid and as an adult.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Ponybookworm on November 15, 2020, 02:28:12 PM
G3 Boys = none unless you Customise. G3 pegasi were too few, wi unicorns being FAR too few!!! And Spike. Can't forget Spike.
G2 Unicorns & pegasi, again too few. And could they not find a way to permanently attach wings to G2s??? At least you can gender-bend G2s. My Her (His) Majesty Star & Snowball are both male.
G4: agree wi everybody. Where were half the Ponies??? Where were most of the Changelings & ANY of the bright changelings??? Where were most of the hippogriffs & ANY of the griffons, yaks & kirins???
For ALL of the above: SEA PONIES!!!! Why were there pretty much NONE??? G2 had NONE. G3 Had Bore 7 Blind Bag mermaids. G4 had Mane Six & two more.
Also Pony Wear. Why sell it ONLY attached to the Pony??? Serious missed opportunity there.

OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
On the subject, a variant of an existing Pony does not a themed Pony make. Why did G2 cop out with Easter Sky Skimmer, instead of giving us an actual new G2 Pony with an Easter Theme??? Same goes to G4 & their Mane Six adjusted for X season Ponies.

One other thing: not giving the G3 Easter Ponies rabbits, the G3 Halloween Ponies black cats & treat buckets, the G3 Valentines Ponies heart cushions & doves, & any of the castles a G3 Spike was a huge missed opportunity.

I can moan until I'm blue in the face about a lack of G3 Spike figure...
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on November 15, 2020, 02:52:10 PM
OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
Don't forget Stockings and her unofficially-related baby!

But yeah, G1's seasonal ponies were pretty lacking. Stockings was basically a Birthflower with a new symbol (we have fourteen ponies with the same body, hair, and eyes!), and the unnamed Rice Krispies baby just reused her symbol.

G2 had Baby Sweet Snowflake, but I really don't like how her colors work together. There's something off about them.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 15, 2020, 03:25:04 PM
More male species in the older gens. Unicorns, pegasus, sea ponies, flutters, wingers.

Not releasing the Tales Crew in the states,  + not releasing Teddy, Ace and Lancer at all.

Male G3s

Baby G3 unicorns

Mishandled a lot of the G3 birthstones by giving them boring symbols and/or colors that have zilch to do with their months.

Not releasing the Celestial Swirls.

Mishandling the 2017 movie cast. Like, your just gonna promote the same, tired, mane suxx instead of your NEW characters Hasbro? Really?

G4 as a toyline is was handled badly in every conceivable way.

Botched the Flutter's wings.

Not releasing the rest of the G3 pegasus and unicorns.

Making the line about the show instead of the toys is one of their most egregious errors.

Troll doll and crappy boy hair. You deserve the one fingered salute for that one Hasblow.






Post Merge: November 15, 2020, 03:31:17 PM

OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
Don't forget Stockings and her unofficially-related baby!

But yeah, G1's seasonal ponies were pretty lacking. Stockings was basically a Birthflower with a new symbol (we have fourteen ponies with the same body, hair, and eyes!), and the unnamed Rice Krispies baby just reused her symbol.

G2 had Baby Sweet Snowflake, but I really don't like how her colors work together. There's something off about them.

White/green/red aren't Christmassy to you?
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on November 15, 2020, 03:44:09 PM

Post Merge: November 15, 2020, 03:31:17 PM

OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
Don't forget Stockings and her unofficially-related baby!

But yeah, G1's seasonal ponies were pretty lacking. Stockings was basically a Birthflower with a new symbol (we have fourteen ponies with the same body, hair, and eyes!), and the unnamed Rice Krispies baby just reused her symbol.

G2 had Baby Sweet Snowflake, but I really don't like how her colors work together. There's something off about them.

White/green/red aren't Christmassy to you?
I could've sworn she had green, red, AND blue in her hair... I guess she doesn't, looking at her now, though her green is less Christmas-y and more aqua, so it kinda clashes with the red, and the colors blend in her tail, making it... poopy-colored. Merry Treat has the same issue with her tail, though, and whenever I have mine off the shelf, I find myself trying to separate them. I think Sweet Snowflake would look better with a solid green tail, but I guess she's not as bad as I remembered.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 15, 2020, 03:50:24 PM
G3 Boys = none unless you Customise. G3 pegasi were too few, wi unicorns being FAR too few!!! And Spike. Can't forget Spike.
G2 Unicorns & pegasi, again too few. And could they not find a way to permanently attach wings to G2s??? At least you can gender-bend G2s. My Her (His) Majesty Star & Snowball are both male.
G4: agree wi everybody. Where were half the Ponies??? Where were most of the Changelings & ANY of the bright changelings??? Where were most of the hippogriffs & ANY of the griffons, yaks & kirins???
For ALL of the above: SEA PONIES!!!! Why were there pretty much NONE??? G2 had NONE. G3 Had Bore 7 Blind Bag mermaids. G4 had Mane Six & two more.
Also Pony Wear. Why sell it ONLY attached to the Pony??? Serious missed opportunity there.

OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
On the subject, a variant of an existing Pony does not a themed Pony make. Why did G2 cop out with Easter Sky Skimmer, instead of giving us an actual new G2 Pony with an Easter Theme??? Same goes to G4 & their Mane Six adjusted for X season Ponies.

One other thing: not giving the G3 Easter Ponies rabbits, the G3 Halloween Ponies black cats & treat buckets, the G3 Valentines Ponies heart cushions & doves, & any of the castles a G3 Spike was a huge missed opportunity.

I can moan until I'm blue in the face about a lack of G3 Spike figure...

Yes to G3 Spike.

They did release Skystar, Novo, the 8 babies, Haven Bay and a blue one. But their handling of it was ****-poor.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on November 15, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
The handling of the G4 line and it's failure to tie into to the show.
The show is clearly meant to be an advertisement for the toyline-fine, typical. But what sense does it make to introduce so many characters and then just...not make those characters? We don't have a Mayor Mare!
I do like towards the Explore Equestria line we saw more background characters become pearly ponies. Yes, more of that please, but all the time, and with accessories that let kids act out the scenes from the show.
No villains? How are kids supposed to act out a playscene between the CMC and not give them Cozy Glow to be the sassy bully? I know we had DT and NMM but I mean beyond that, we had so few.
The school...Yona? Hello?

Seconding this! FiM had so many characters that Hasbro easily could have made into toys. It's ridiculous we got so many Mane 6 releases when they could have taken other already existing FiM characters, and made toys of them. Hasbro wouldn't have even had to had people design more brand new characters, they already had plenty of existing ones in FiM to use, yet nope. Bunch of Mane 6 releases constantly instead. :rolleyes:

Like we got some other FiM characters released here and there, but nowhere near as many as we should have gotten. So many side characters, minor characters, background characters, etc who never got anything, or only got toys in other more minor lines of toys (like blindbags or Guardians of Harmony). Hasbro had the potential to give the main G4 toyline a lot of variety and decided not to because they're cheap.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Ponyfan on November 15, 2020, 04:25:34 PM
I wish G1 would have had more baby ponies that matched their mothers. I know it would have been too much for every adult to have a matching baby but I never understood why Moondancer and Glory got babies but Twilight and Sunbeam didn’t.

I wish Petite Ponies would have had a longer run. It seems like they didn’t last too long.

In G4 I thought for sure there would have been more major characters released as toys. I’m surprised that Hasbro only released Sandbar and  Silverstream out of the students even though it was heavily implied that Sandbar and friends would eventually become the  future holders of the Elements of Harmony.

Ponyfan
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: LadyAmalthea on November 15, 2020, 04:42:06 PM
I wish G1 would have had more baby ponies that matched their mothers. I know it would have been too much for every adult to have a matching baby but I never understood why Moondancer and Glory got babies but Twilight and Sunbeam didn’t.

I wish Petite Ponies would have had a longer run. It seems like they didn’t last too long.

In G4 I thought for sure there would have been more major characters released as toys. I’m surprised that Hasbro only released Sandbar and  Silverstream out of the students even though it was heavily implied that Sandbar and friends would eventually become the  future holders of the Elements of Harmony.

Ponyfan

I agree about the babies. I love matching baby/mother sets. They really missed the boat not making them for twinkle-eyed sets and other favorites like the ones you said. I love seeing matching baby customs people on here have done of them. I have a few in the works myself...completed a Baby Snuzzle this past week! If anyone has baity babies they don't want, I'll buy 'em! But still, I would rather they had just been made.

And I'll just echo what others have said about more boy ponies...in every gen. G1 Big Brothers were introduced as my interest in MLP was waning (as a kid anyway!) and I never got any. We always had to pretend girl ponies were dads, brothers, etc.
Title: Re: Hasbro%u2019s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Carrehz on November 15, 2020, 05:51:51 PM
Oh, I forgot about the Tales boys! Yeah, seconding those.

Also not sure if this counts, but I wish mum + baby/family sets hadn't stopped being a thing after G2 (or G3 if you count the two sister sets, I guess).
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Haruna on November 15, 2020, 06:15:53 PM
G1: Not following the RaMC art style into the show, not keeping Megan as a cowgirl.
I agree.

I think that G3 should have had male ponies and more baby ponies.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Wardah on November 15, 2020, 06:19:49 PM
And I'll just echo what others have said about more boy ponies...in every gen. G1 Big Brothers were introduced as my interest in MLP was waning (as a kid anyway!) and I never got any. We always had to pretend girl ponies were dads, brothers, etc.

I wish G3 got boy ponies. Even if they did what they did in G2 and just used the same molds. I already considered Tropical Surprise to be a boy due to the colors. There were lots of other ponies in G3 that could have been boys too.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Nemesis on November 15, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
The greatest missed opportunity of all: not keeping the amazing tone and stylings of RaMC for the entirety of the series. X3 RaMC was MLP at its very finest, IMO.

Which leads into... We need more villain toys! G4 was the first time we received any at all, if I’m not mistaken. Tragically, we still don’t have a single representation of Tirek or Scorpan, despite them making it into FiM.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Ponybookworm on November 16, 2020, 01:40:47 AM
OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
Don't forget Stockings and her unofficially-related baby!

But yeah, G1's seasonal ponies were pretty lacking. Stockings was basically a Birthflower with a new symbol (we have fourteen ponies with the same body, hair, and eyes!), and the unnamed Rice Krispies baby just reused her symbol.

G2 had Baby Sweet Snowflake, but I really don't like how her colours work together. There's something off about them.
Rats, sorry!!! Yep, Stockings & "Socks" as well.

Tales in general, Hackney, Ace, Teddy & Lancer in particular. Customised so many Tales characters tbh, mostly the males

Post Merge: November 16, 2020, 01:42:33 AM

G3 Boys = none unless you Customise. G3 pegasi were too few, wi unicorns being FAR too few!!! And Spike. Can't forget Spike.
G2 Unicorns & pegasi, again too few. And could they not find a way to permanently attach wings to G2s??? At least you can gender-bend G2s. My Her (His) Majesty Star & Snowball are both male.
G4: agree wi everybody. Where were half the Ponies??? Where were most of the Changelings & ANY of the bright changelings??? Where were most of the hippogriffs & ANY of the griffons, yaks & kirins???
For ALL of the above: SEA PONIES!!!! Why were there pretty much NONE??? G2 had NONE. G3 Had Bore 7 Blind Bag mermaids. G4 had Mane Six & two more.
Also Pony Wear. Why sell it ONLY attached to the Pony??? Serious missed opportunity there.

OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
On the subject, a variant of an existing Pony does not a themed Pony make. Why did G2 cop out with Easter Sky Skimmer, instead of giving us an actual new G2 Pony with an Easter Theme??? Same goes to G4 & their Mane Six adjusted for X season Ponies.

One other thing: not giving the G3 Easter Ponies rabbits, the G3 Halloween Ponies black cats & treat buckets, the G3 Valentines Ponies heart cushions & doves, & any of the castles a G3 Spike was a huge missed opportunity.

I can moan until I'm blue in the face about a lack of G3 Spike figure...

Yes to G3 Spike.

They did release Skystar, Novo, the 8 babies, Haven Bay and a blue one. But their handling of it was ****-poor.
I have yet to find a brushable Silverstream.
But cheers for supporting the Get G3 Spike Made Campaign xxx
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Lilja on November 16, 2020, 05:38:10 AM
Prototypes, definitely. I will forever be sad the dolls meant to go with the Pony Friends never came to be. :(

Speaking of dolls, they should've made a doll of Danny! I hate only having 2/3 of the kids - call me sentimental but I always hate only having part of a family :P

Yeah, the Pony Friends set definitely feels incomplete without the dolls. It's also too bad we lost out on a second edition of Molly and Baby Sundance. If only at least Hasbro UK had made their own version of Molly/Baby Sundance like they did with Megan/Sundance. I've been wondering what that would've looked like.

I'm pretty sure there must've been at least at some point a Megan & Sundance set planned for year 5, with a Sundance symbol that matched the unreleased first tooth baby. Possibly this concept eventually became TAF M&S in year 7. If Hasbro ever considered making a Danny doll I'm less certain of, but I do find it conspicuous that they came out with a "Big Brother" pony set around this time, a theme that would've gone suspiciously well with Danny. This was also when they released figures of the Bushwoolies, which was a clear cartoon tie-in.

I think the G1 toyline could've done a lot more to tie in with the cartoon. It would've added something to it without taking anything away. I bet kids would've loved to have toys of the villains, just like I've seen kids today go crazy for Nightmare Moon toys. But I guess the stereotype was that little girls don't want conflict in their play.

(and that's not even getting into MLP Tales, LOTS of missed opportunities there)

G4 did a much better job with this. But it still seems they could've done more. The FIM collection buildings were lovely, but it feels incomplete without Fluttershy's cottage or a Cloudsdale playset. While sad that it was separate from the main line, Guardians of Harmony also showed a lot of potential, there are so many characters that would've been perfect for it that we never got. I believe a Tirek's Castle playset appeared in Amazon listings, but we never saw anything more from it? That would've been amazing!

I guess Hasbro hadn't anticipated what a big success G4 would become, so they played it safe with the toys in the beginning. Years later when they started putting some actual effort into them, it was a bit too late and the hype had mostly passed.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Carrehz on November 16, 2020, 07:51:26 AM
oh yes - toys of the G1 villains would be *amazing*... you can't tell me people wouldn't go bonkers for a nice Tirac figure. Even non-G1 fans. (I want Catrina and Rep!) I can understand not making them at the time, I suppose, since G1 didn't really have any recurring villains and I think most of the 80s villain toys I've seen were recurring? (Scowlene, Sour Grapes, arguably the Misfits I guess) Which makes me wonder why the witches vanished after End of Flutter Valley, but that's another thought for another thread.

Oh, and Lady Lessons from the UK comics should've gotten a toy.

If Hasbro ever considered making a Danny doll I'm less certain of, but I do find it conspicuous that they came out with a "Big Brother" pony set around this time, a theme that would've gone suspiciously well with Danny. This was also when they released figures of the Bushwoolies, which was a clear cartoon tie-in.

oooh, good point. A "Danny and Big Brother (whoever)" set would've been too perfect.

speaking of the Bushwoolies, I'm still sad the Furbob figures were never produced.

I guess Hasbro hadn't anticipated what a big success G4 would become, so they played it safe with the toys in the beginning. Years later when they started putting some actual effort into them, it was a bit too late and the hype had mostly passed.

I think this is what happened, too. Still surprises me how slow on the uptake they were there, though.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 16, 2020, 08:22:35 AM
Personally I never cared that there weren't villain toys. They would only have been villains from the TV series, anyway, which wouldn't have translated well in areas the TV series wasn't so widely distributed. The comics had different villains, but I didn't want any of those either.  xD.

I feel like Lady Lessons was meant to have a toy, but it got wiped at a development stage somewhere along the line.

So there are things we know there were prototypes for - like FT Molly & Sundance, and the pony friend dolls, and so on (I admit my thoughts on those are tainted by all the years I had to spend banging heads against walls to prove that no, they weren't UK exclusives just because DV said they were, but in essence the overall concept was interesting...maybe?). THere are prototypes of existing ponies that came out differently (those that are extremely different like the pictures of the y6 TAFs and so on, also Star Gleamer and the pegasus dance and prances). But there are also things like Lady Lessons that you just have to wonder about.

The evidence for her existing in concept at least include the glasses with the school, which seem to fit her glasses. And the idea of a teacher with the school would have made sense. But I guess we'll never know for sure.

I'm also still convinced that it wasn't just Paradise who should have had a regular UK release, but also Ribbon. I have much less evidence for that, because it's circumstantial, but there's a reason why Ribbon appears on Megan & Sundance's UK backcard story in 1986 - the year before the Movie Stars came out - and why in the club material the movie star ponies are all pictured...except Gusty, but with Ribbon instead. I think at some point they realised, hang on, we never sold that set with Gusty in the UK, and so Gusty got switched in. I think if we had had the y3 unicorn set, we might have had a regular Ribbon in the movie star set.

But again, I can't prove it. It just seems a possibility.

I do think we should have had Lofty, Ribbon and Paradise. They are the only ponies from the first set of So Softs that never had a regular release made in HK, and that does somehow seem wrong. Especially with Ribbon, as we had Baby Ribbon in the UK. If you think that the assumption was we'd had that y3 set in 1986 (which we didn't), Baby Heart Throb and Baby Gusty would already have been covered. Baby Ribbon, however...? Not so much.

Why Baby Shady wasn't released instead is a bit of a mystery, too. Though I can't find any indication that Shady would NOT have been released here (she's in all the art, comics, as well as the insert material).

Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Zapper on November 16, 2020, 11:14:41 AM
I already considered Tropical Surprise to be a boy due to the colors. There were lots of other ponies in G3 that could have been boys too.

Would you have been angry if they had made G3 boys but they were all pink or purple? :lol:
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on November 16, 2020, 11:24:30 AM
G3 potentially had two male characters, but Gossamer was never referred to with pronouns, so I'm not sure.
If you count G3.5 as a part of G3, there were a few boy ponies in the background of Twinkle Wish Adventure, with shorter hair and no eyelashes. None of them had toys, obviously, and their symbols are reused from other ponies, but they do exist. If you look closely, the background ponies in TWA tend to be somewhat alphabetized; the boys tend to appear late in the Bs, but before ponies like Bumblesweet, which implies their "names" may have just been "Boy," potentially followed by an identifying letter, number, etc.
On that note, did you know that Star Flight and Heart Bright appear in TWA? They're earth ponies, only shown at a distance from which their symbols aren't visible, but the colors and position in the aforementioned alphabetized crowds give away their identities!
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: glitterball on November 16, 2020, 12:09:32 PM
G1:

I know that there are "official" sewing patterns out there to make your own fabric pony toy, but I think a pattern for a selection of pony-wear would have been fun to release (a bit like those 12-inch doll pattern collections).

 :art:
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: bright rabbit 1 on November 17, 2020, 01:38:02 AM
Things I think Hasbro missed out on making.

The Grundels
Danny (find it weird they only did his sisters)
Furbobs (flocked)
Flocked bushwoolies
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 17, 2020, 02:21:31 AM
G3 potentially had two male characters, but Gossamer was never referred to with pronouns, so I'm not sure.
If you count G3.5 as a part of G3, there were a few boy ponies in the background of Twinkle Wish Adventure, with shorter hair and no eyelashes. None of them had toys, obviously, and their symbols are reused from other ponies, but they do exist. If you look closely, the background ponies in TWA tend to be somewhat alphabetized; the boys tend to appear late in the Bs, but before ponies like Bumblesweet, which implies their "names" may have just been "Boy," potentially followed by an identifying letter, number, etc.
On that note, did you know that Star Flight and Heart Bright appear in TWA? They're earth ponies, only shown at a distance from which their symbols aren't visible, but the colors and position in the aforementioned alphabetized crowds give away their identities!

I have a strong feeling that Hasbro at one point intimated (maybe via a rep at a meet) that they weren't interested in doing boy ponies for G3, like it was unnecessary in the market they were aiming at. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that.

For me Brights Brightly is a good candidate for a boy, because that name is just...yeah. I don't really care too much about G3 not having boys though it is weird since all the other generations do. I don't know how/if they would've differentiated, but tbh G3 doesn't have enough character detail for so many of the line that it's easy to designate x pony to be male if so required.

Just that I am pretty sure Hasbro actively didn't make male ponies in G3, so by default they are all officially girls.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on November 17, 2020, 09:17:15 AM
G3 potentially had two male characters, but Gossamer was never referred to with pronouns, so I'm not sure.
If you count G3.5 as a part of G3, there were a few boy ponies in the background of Twinkle Wish Adventure, with shorter hair and no eyelashes. None of them had toys, obviously, and their symbols are reused from other ponies, but they do exist. If you look closely, the background ponies in TWA tend to be somewhat alphabetized; the boys tend to appear late in the Bs, but before ponies like Bumblesweet, which implies their "names" may have just been "Boy," potentially followed by an identifying letter, number, etc.
On that note, did you know that Star Flight and Heart Bright appear in TWA? They're earth ponies, only shown at a distance from which their symbols aren't visible, but the colors and position in the aforementioned alphabetized crowds give away their identities!


I have a strong feeling that Hasbro at one point intimated (maybe via a rep at a meet) that they weren't interested in doing boy ponies for G3, like it was unnecessary in the market they were aiming at. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that.

For me Brights Brightly is a good candidate for a boy, because that name is just...yeah. I don't really care too much about G3 not having boys though it is weird since all the other generations do. I don't know how/if they would've differentiated, but tbh G3 doesn't have enough character detail for so many of the line that it's easy to designate x pony to be male if so required.

Just that I am pretty sure Hasbro actively didn't make male ponies in G3, so by default they are all officially girls.
Gossamer is Storybelle's dragonfly assistant from Two for the Sky, not a pony. I also thought the firefly from Come Back, Lily Lightly was possibly male at one point, but if you pay attention, it's a "she." So that's Spike, maybe Gossamer, and G3.5's unnamed boys.

I have a theory with those crowds in TWA. They just had a bunch of animated ponies from G3 and just kinda threw them around in the order they were given, which would likely be alphabetical. Some unused/rejected concepts for boys got thrown in the mix, with random symbols thrown on, and either nobody noticed or nobody cared. They also just could've gone "Well, why didn't we have boys?" and just threw some together.
No proof for any of that, but I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be boys.

Also, in my opinion, Bri Bri (cringy nickname, I know) is quite feminine, but I did get used to a male version in Kimono's Townhouse. It makes me sad that the images are broken for it now.

That said, I do have a few ponies that are male to me. Off the top of my head is Teeny Bootsie, but there's a decent amount of evidence he was intended to be male in the first place; I'll detail it all in a spoiler. And heck, none of the Teeny Twins are referred to with gendered pronouns, so any of them can be whatever you like. According to the comics, Sniffles is a boy's name, so you could apply that to the pink twins as well if you really wanted to.
Spoiler
1. The pair came with a pink bottle and a blue bottle, implying one was for "the girl" and one for "the boy."
2. The name "Tootsie" was previously used for a female character (about whose birthday I often find myself singing in the shower!).
3. He has no lace on his symbol, while his sister does. As everybody knows, lace is only for girls because it's pretty, and boys absolutely hate it because it's frilly and infested with cooties, obviously. That's a well-known fact right there.
4. On the backcards for the year, prototypes of the two are shown. The poses are incorrect, with them both using the same body and then the head from the other's pose. They also appear to lack birthmarks. I identified them by their symbols. The pink bottle is near lacy-symbolled Tootsie, and the blue one is closer to Bootsie. Here's the best image I could find of that: www.mylittlewiki.org/w/images/e/e1/Back-paradisebaby.jpg
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 17, 2020, 09:27:04 AM
Meh, I hate the gendered pink for girls and blue for boys trope, although I can't pretend Hasbro didn't use it for Noodles & Doodles.

We had Snookums (from Sniffles & Snookums, the unicorns) as a boy here don't forget. I think that's the only officially unicorn boy in G1-3...at least in an English speaking context.

There are more in Italy. Italy has some fun names...
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on November 17, 2020, 10:19:18 AM
Meh, I hate the gendered pink for girls and blue for boys trope, although I can't pretend Hasbro didn't use it for Noodles & Doodles.

We had Snookums (from Sniffles & Snookums, the unicorns) as a boy here don't forget. I think that's the only officially unicorn boy in G1-3...at least in an English speaking context.

There are more in Italy. Italy has some fun names...
Not a huge fan of it either, but it was the "norm" back then (and still kind of is).

Italian ponies are cool. I think I read somewhere that they had their own comic, but I've never seen any of it. I don't know whether they kept Gustavo and friends as such in their dubs of the cartoon, nor whether they decided to use the male or female Applejack in Midnight Castle, but they did dub at least the 1986 series, and let's just say that FiM isn't the only pony cartoon with an amazing, unique Italian theme. I'll just leave this here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHIrtaCauI
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 17, 2020, 10:28:43 AM
May have that on cassette >.>
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: KottonKandy on November 17, 2020, 10:59:13 AM
YES TO THOSE THAT SAID DANNY!! We 100% needed a Danny doll and I wish Megan would’ve been released with her iconic coveralls from the series.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 17, 2020, 11:36:11 AM
OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
Don't forget Stockings and her unofficially-related baby!

But yeah, G1's seasonal ponies were pretty lacking. Stockings was basically a Birthflower with a new symbol (we have fourteen ponies with the same body, hair, and eyes!), and the unnamed Rice Krispies baby just reused her symbol.

G2 had Baby Sweet Snowflake, but I really don't like how her colours work together. There's something off about them.
Rats, sorry!!! Yep, Stockings & "Socks" as well.

Tales in general, Hackney, Ace, Teddy & Lancer in particular. Customised so many Tales characters tbh, mostly the males

Post Merge: November 16, 2020, 01:42:33 AM

G3 Boys = none unless you Customise. G3 pegasi were too few, wi unicorns being FAR too few!!! And Spike. Can't forget Spike.
G2 Unicorns & pegasi, again too few. And could they not find a way to permanently attach wings to G2s??? At least you can gender-bend G2s. My Her (His) Majesty Star & Snowball are both male.
G4: agree wi everybody. Where were half the Ponies??? Where were most of the Changelings & ANY of the bright changelings??? Where were most of the hippogriffs & ANY of the griffons, yaks & kirins???
For ALL of the above: SEA PONIES!!!! Why were there pretty much NONE??? G2 had NONE. G3 Had Bore 7 Blind Bag mermaids. G4 had Mane Six & two more.
Also Pony Wear. Why sell it ONLY attached to the Pony??? Serious missed opportunity there.

OK, now G1: Holiday Themed Ponies. I can count the ones who exist on the fingers of one hand: Merry Treat, Felicidades (SP), Lambaditsa & Paschalitsa aka Ladybird. Two for Christmas (one a Nirvana), & two for Easter who are both Greek nirvanas. Where were Halloween Ponies, Valentine Ponies (they could have been couples as well), more Christmas & Easter Ponies???
On the subject, a variant of an existing Pony does not a themed Pony make. Why did G2 cop out with Easter Sky Skimmer, instead of giving us an actual new G2 Pony with an Easter Theme??? Same goes to G4 & their Mane Six adjusted for X season Ponies.

One other thing: not giving the G3 Easter Ponies rabbits, the G3 Halloween Ponies black cats & treat buckets, the G3 Valentines Ponies heart cushions & doves, & any of the castles a G3 Spike was a huge missed opportunity.

I can moan until I'm blue in the face about a lack of G3 Spike figure...

Yes to G3 Spike.

They did release Skystar, Novo, the 8 babies, Haven Bay and a blue one. But their handling of it was ****-poor.
I have yet to find a brushable Silverstream.
But cheers for supporting the Get G3 Spike Made Campaign xxx

Neither were the babies but they were made. Just in a very annoyingly limited way.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Carrehz on November 17, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
YES TO THOSE THAT SAID DANNY!! We 100% needed a Danny doll and I wish Megan would’ve been released with her iconic coveralls from the series.

they did release Megan's coveralls, as a separate outfit set :)

http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Country_Jamboree
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on November 17, 2020, 12:09:53 PM
YES TO THOSE THAT SAID DANNY!! We 100% needed a Danny doll and I wish Megan would’ve been released with her iconic coveralls from the series.

they did release Megan's coveralls, as a separate outfit set :)

http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Country_Jamboree
It came on the second UK release as well, albeit missing the pony shoes.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Wardah on November 17, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
I already considered Tropical Surprise to be a boy due to the colors. There were lots of other ponies in G3 that could have been boys too.

Would you have been angry if they had made G3 boys but they were all pink or purple? :lol:

Not now but when I had decided that TS was a boy I still held on to gender norms that I now consider kinda silly. Back then I probably would have just accepted it and chalked it up to them being a "girl's toy".

Meh, I hate the gendered pink for girls and blue for boys trope, although I can't pretend Hasbro didn't use it for Noodles & Doodles.

Definitely feel that way now but let's face it it's only been in the last decade or so that society has been openly questioning gender tropes. And I'm glad for that tbh.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 17, 2020, 05:48:58 PM
Actually...interestingly...there was a period about 10 years or so ago where it seemed less intrusive. But now the pink aisle is back with a bang, not helped by all the pink packaging that girls' toys tend to come in. One plus point for MH because that rarely happened.

So I think maybe even though we've got more accepting of gender fluidity and people's different gender identities, the same old binary pink blue tropes are in play as much as they were or more years ago.

Slightly off topic but when I was doing my MA - which was 8 years ago now, admittedly - one of the articles we had to translate was about pink and blue gender stereotypes in Japan and how traditionally they are the other way around (since pink resonates to sakura, and thus the warrior) but the influence of the West has now made pink more feminine. And other things I can't remember because it was a while ago.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: LadyAmalthea on November 17, 2020, 06:05:13 PM
Here's a missed opportunity compliments of my 5-year-old son: he thinks they should have made the Grundels as toys. (Not sure how he remembers them; we watched that movie together almost a year ago, but he randomly brought them up tonight!) Personally, I can't really see them selling that well on their own, but maybe paired with another pony character from the movie as an extra (much like the Bushwoolies with the princess ponies) it might have worked.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Ponybookworm on November 17, 2020, 06:41:32 PM
IIRC Pink Kittywinks did some Custom Furbobs a while back???
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: JazzMatazz on November 17, 2020, 06:42:43 PM
Every single major anniversary  Occasionally we got some half-hearted “special” release, but if you look at what some of their other toy lines got(Transformers, GI Joe, etc) for their major anniversaries, it’s shocking how little effort Hasbro put into MLP.
  this!!!!! with every single collectors transformer they come out with their collector pulse line I end up ranting to my bf about it like why can't we get that for ponies!
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Mana Minori on November 17, 2020, 06:46:08 PM
ohohohooo, don't get me started. Hasbro missed so many golden opportunities. greenlighting FUNKO to make a Sunset Shimmer vinyl? Ya missed out Hasbro. making pony anniversaries noteworthy and memorable with fun new merch and potentially awesome anniversary movies? Ya missed out, Hasbro. crossgen movie? Ya missed out, Hasbro. Fracking MORE g4 background pony brushables?!?! Celestiadurnit, Hasbro!!!
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on November 17, 2020, 07:47:59 PM
Actually...interestingly...there was a period about 10 years or so ago where it seemed less intrusive. But now the pink aisle is back with a bang, not helped by all the pink packaging that girls' toys tend to come in. One plus point for MH because that rarely happened.

So I think maybe even though we've got more accepting of gender fluidity and people's different gender identities, the same old binary pink blue tropes are in play as much as they were or more years ago.

Slightly off topic but when I was doing my MA - which was 8 years ago now, admittedly - one of the articles we had to translate was about pink and blue gender stereotypes in Japan and how traditionally they are the other way around (since pink resonates to sakura, and thus the warrior) but the influence of the West has now made pink more feminine. And other things I can't remember because it was a while ago.

Actually, if you study the history of fashion in America, back when stores first started carrying "store bought clothing" for babies, pink was for boys because it was a softer shade of the very masculine red.  It slowly transitioned to being a "girl" color--my guess is because of the feminist movements that happened through the various decades as women tried to prove that they were just as good as men and deserved the same "strong" color palette.  (The things I learned in the History of Musical Theatre :lol:)

Here's a missed opportunity compliments of my 5-year-old son: he thinks they should have made the Grundels as toys. (Not sure how he remembers them; we watched that movie together almost a year ago, but he randomly brought them up tonight!) Personally, I can't really see them selling that well on their own, but maybe paired with another pony character from the movie as an extra (much like the Bushwoolies with the princess ponies) it might have worked.

I'd have bought the Grundles. 

With the slime craze lately they could have made some money selling purple smooze and marketing it with the G1 artwork alongside clear green smooze with the G4 artwork.

And with the anniversary releases, they totally could have sold movie sets for the original movie instead of the collector's pose all over again.  They could have packaged Wind Whistler, Spike, Baby Lickety-Split and Molly in one and Shady, a Bushwoolie, Rose Dust and Megan in another (or something like that). 

And they totally should have created a Danny to go along with Megan and Molly.  And what about Megan's horse, TJ?  He should have come with her stable set.  And what about the horse Molly was riding in the movie (when Danny was teasing her about not being able to ride)?  They could have made that for the stable as well.  But maybe those two bordered too close to "real" and didn't follow the fantastic designs of the ponies.  Though, a brown collector's pose (much like the original My Pretty Pony) would probably have been accepted by kids as part of Megan's world.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on November 17, 2020, 08:22:48 PM
Actually...interestingly...there was a period about 10 years or so ago where it seemed less intrusive. But now the pink aisle is back with a bang, not helped by all the pink packaging that girls' toys tend to come in. One plus point for MH because that rarely happened.

So I think maybe even though we've got more accepting of gender fluidity and people's different gender identities, the same old binary pink blue tropes are in play as much as they were or more years ago.

Slightly off topic but when I was doing my MA - which was 8 years ago now, admittedly - one of the articles we had to translate was about pink and blue gender stereotypes in Japan and how traditionally they are the other way around (since pink resonates to sakura, and thus the warrior) but the influence of the West has now made pink more feminine. And other things I can't remember because it was a while ago.

Actually, if you study the history of fashion in America, back when stores first started carrying "store bought clothing" for babies, pink was for boys because it was a softer shade of the very masculine red.  It slowly transitioned to being a "girl" color--my guess is because of the feminist movements that happened through the various decades as women tried to prove that they were just as good as men and deserved the same "strong" color palette.  (The things I learned in the History of Musical Theatre :lol:)
IIRC, there was a massively successful ad campaign in the 40s with the tagline "pretty in pink" that kicked the whole thing off, but I could be wrong.

Here's a missed opportunity compliments of my 5-year-old son: he thinks they should have made the Grundels as toys. (Not sure how he remembers them; we watched that movie together almost a year ago, but he randomly brought them up tonight!) Personally, I can't really see them selling that well on their own, but maybe paired with another pony character from the movie as an extra (much like the Bushwoolies with the princess ponies) it might have worked.

I'd have bought the Grundles. 

With the slime craze lately they could have made some money selling purple smooze and marketing it with the G1 artwork alongside clear green smooze with the G4 artwork.

And with the anniversary releases, they totally could have sold movie sets for the original movie instead of the collector's pose all over again.  They could have packaged Wind Whistler, Spike, Baby Lickety-Split and Molly in one and Shady, a Bushwoolie, Rose Dust and Megan in another (or something like that). 

And they totally should have created a Danny to go along with Megan and Molly.  And what about Megan's horse, TJ?  He should have come with her stable set.  And what about the horse Molly was riding in the movie (when Danny was teasing her about not being able to ride)?  They could have made that for the stable as well.  But maybe those two bordered too close to "real" and didn't follow the fantastic designs of the ponies.  Though, a brown collector's pose (much like the original My Pretty Pony) would probably have been accepted by kids as part of Megan's world.
Brown collector's pony? Like Macau Jenny? She was by no means a universal release, nor was she intended to be a "real horse" (she had Snuzzle's heart symbols), but I've seen people (incorrectly) refer to her as TJ, and I'm sure at least one child owned her, saw TJ, and made the connection also.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on November 17, 2020, 09:11:29 PM
Brown collector's pony? Like Macau Jenny? She was by no means a universal release, nor was she intended to be a "real horse" (she had Snuzzle's heart symbols), but I've seen people (incorrectly) refer to her as TJ, and I'm sure at least one child owned her, saw TJ, and made the connection also.

Yes, like Macau Jenny, but more widely released.  Weren't the original prototypes in black and brown anyway?  They could have used those and I don't think anyone would have minded.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Poster on November 18, 2020, 10:13:30 PM
For as many mane 6 variants as we got, a complete, matching GoH set wasn't one of them! No GoH Rarity whatsoever, and Fluttershy's only wide-release version had non-removable pirate garb.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: JazzMatazz on November 23, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
For as many mane 6 variants as we got, a complete, matching GoH set wasn't one of them! No GoH Rarity whatsoever, and Fluttershy's only wide-release version had non-removable pirate garb.
GoH was my favorite line and it was sad to see it killed so short. Obviously as an adult not the target audience apparently seeing as they just sat on the shelves. I sold off all my g4 brushables and picked up the GoH line it was super exciting to get articulated figures!
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 23, 2020, 07:45:14 PM
Other species in G2-I think Flutters would have been a perfect come back. And why pegasus and winged unicorns with removal hairclip wings?

More merry-go-rounds in other generations. I'd love a bigger set with detailed ponies and a proper carousel like the matchbox carousel animals.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Nemesis on November 24, 2020, 05:40:30 AM
More merry-go-rounds in other generations. I'd love a bigger set with detailed ponies and a proper carousel like the matchbox carousel animals.

Imagine a rotating carousel with slots for all the G1 Merry Go Round ponies. <3 That would have been the best MLP playset ever.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Ponybookworm on November 24, 2020, 08:00:01 AM
More merry-go-rounds in other generations. I'd love a bigger set with detailed ponies and a proper carousel like the matchbox carousel animals.

Imagine a rotating carousel with slots for all the G1 Merry Go Round ponies. <3 That would have been the best MLP playset ever.
This!!! So this!!!
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 25, 2020, 01:52:29 AM
That would've sent Hasbro UK into meltdown. "But there's six slots and we're only selling 4 MGR ponies here! The kids will KNOW THEY'RE BEING CHEATED!" >.>

Does remind me of the whirligig story, though. Would've been nice given all the thought the comic put into the MGR ponies and their background that they had done a bit more with them in the line overall.

For some reason it's always been one of the stories from the later comics that sticks in my mind. I mean, let's be honest, I would've been happy with Twirler's frisbee like record flying discs. ;) They could have little holes for the hoovesd. Imagine the fun throwing them at things >.> Even better if they were remote controlled pony saucers.


Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Zapper on November 25, 2020, 09:01:39 AM
The greatest missed opportunity of all: not keeping the amazing tone and stylings of RaMC for the entirety of the series. X3 RaMC was MLP at its very finest, IMO.

Which leads into... We need more villain toys! G4 was the first time we received any at all, if I’m not mistaken. Tragically, we still don’t have a single representation of Tirek or Scorpan, despite them making it into FiM.

You and me both, sister.
I honestly admit I sometimes get a little sad thinking of RaMC or the Rainbow Brite pilot in the sense that girls cartoons would have probably went a different direction had they been not exec-meddled with.

I am trying to remember if we ever had a "dark" girls cartoon in the 80s? Sailor Moon had some real bad stuff happeneing but that was the 90s and a Japan import.
The darkest I can think of from the 80s was Jem. I'll never forget watching the episode where Minx tries to kill herself  :blink:
And nobody suggest Last Unicorn, as that was a full movie and based on a fantasy novel for adults, not a show with the target audience girls :P

Nowadays the closest I can think of to RamC would be The Owl House. And only because it has dark magic and monsters. But the tone is very tongue-in-cheek with references for adults. Just like with Star VS Evil, they are not playing it straight.

In the 00s, maybe W.I.T.C.H.? These kinds of shows are really not that popular with marketers, it seems.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 25, 2020, 09:14:11 AM
It really depends on what you mean by 'dark'. Plenty of 'making jokes about creepy things that would otherwise be dark' in my recollections, like duckula and over here, the Trap Door. But yeah, in terms of psychologically, Jem is quite dark. Most especially when the Stingers are there.

The Minx episode is one thing but there's also the drugs episode, runaway kids, and the plot to blow up Kimber...okay, not Kimber, the Princess, but you know, same difference in the end. There's also a fair amount of dangerous moments, like when Jem crashes Pizzazz's hangglider (and she's the hero!)

Back to the Stingers but Rapture conning that old woman by pretending to commune with her dead relatives is also a bit...

Mind you, I don't know if pony needed to be majorly dark beyond what it already did. I feel like Somnambula and Bright Lights are quite dark tbh.

I am not sure all of it is dark, but SheRa is quite dark in places as well. The whole kidnapped as a baby and brainwashed while raised by the hoarde asks a few questions, but it's really Shadow Weaver and her decisions to sacrifice so much for her dark magic...

I feel SheRa was much darker than HeMan. I used to watch both.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 25, 2020, 10:36:43 AM
The greatest missed opportunity of all: not keeping the amazing tone and stylings of RaMC for the entirety of the series. X3 RaMC was MLP at its very finest, IMO.

Which leads into... We need more villain toys! G4 was the first time we received any at all, if I’m not mistaken. Tragically, we still don’t have a single representation of Tirek or Scorpan, despite them making it into FiM.

You and me both, sister.
I honestly admit I sometimes get a little sad thinking of RaMC or the Rainbow Brite pilot in the sense that girls cartoons would have probably went a different direction had they been not exec-meddled with.

I am trying to remember if we ever had a "dark" girls cartoon in the 80s? Sailor Moon had some real bad stuff happeneing but that was the 90s and a Japan import.
The darkest I can think of from the 80s was Jem. I'll never forget watching the episode where Minx tries to kill herself  :blink:
And nobody suggest Last Unicorn, as that was a full movie and based on a fantasy novel for adults, not a show with the target audience girls :P

Nowadays the closest I can think of to RamC would be The Owl House. And only because it has dark magic and monsters. But the tone is very tongue-in-cheek with references for adults. Just like with Star VS Evil, they are not playing it straight.

In the 00s, maybe W.I.T.C.H.? These kinds of shows are really not that popular with marketers, it seems.


I kinda see the g3/g1 mishmash as a stylistic successor of sorts to the ramc ponies. SDCC Twilight and RMS Applejack will likely be the closest we'll ever get.


In the 80s?  Hmm. Not seriously dark. But then, most cartoons period didn't get seriously dark, boys, girls, or neutral, aside from a few episodes. You wouldn't get that consistent tone until the 90s with stuff like Gargoyles and Batman the Animated Series.

We didn't have it in the US obviously, but when did Animals of Farthing Woods start airing?

As for movies, I'd attribute that more to Rankin/Bass and Jim Henson.

The Last Unicorn, Flight of Dragons, The Hobbit/LotR, Black Beauty.

And while not cartoons, Neverending Story and The Dark Crystal.

I haven't seen it in decades, but I think you can add The Black Cauldron in.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: brightberry on November 25, 2020, 12:01:03 PM
I loved the RaMC style.  I remember thinking how different the real ponies and their backcards looked in comparison.

I was eventually ok with it because sometimes attempts to look "show accurate" came off really badly in the 80s and ponies may not had been as pretty. Maybe.  I love how G1 ponies look so maybe it's all for the best.

However, I did have a recent dream that Hasbro came out with RaMC playsets and ponies.  I want those.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 25, 2020, 01:19:33 PM
Farthing Wood was probably the beginning of the 90s. I remember I'd read A Fox Cub Bold before the series began, and I also remember my sister watching it as well. She would've been four or five, probably, so early 1990s seems probable?

That wasn't dark so much as reality I guess... Albeit the shrike bush? That's pretty grim. And the pheasants? Also pretty grim.

And there are some other grim things in the later stories too...all of which were more or less animated.

We had some drama series that were pretty cool around then too. Some from Australia (will always love the Girl from Tomorrow, that was 1990, and they wiped out the whole Northern Hemisphere O.o, some based on stuff here (like Demon Headmaster, Worst Witch...the latter probably not too actually dark mind you,Demon Headmaster - definitely a bit dark). THose were not as gendered though. Nor was Farthing Wood.

There was also the Silver Brumby and the Watership Down series (which I didn't really like) in the same 'real' vein.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Zapper on November 25, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
@ all, I was talking about girls cartoons. As in "targeted towards girls only". I thought I had made this clear.
Yeah, I guess I forgot about She-Ra and for today the She-Ra reboot. I don't even know why I did not think of it :P
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 25, 2020, 02:06:49 PM
Farthing Wood was probably the beginning of the 90s. I remember I'd read A Fox Cub Bold before the series began, and I also remember my sister watching it as well. She would've been four or five, probably, so early 1990s seems probable?

That wasn't dark so much as reality I guess... Albeit the shrike bush? That's pretty grim. And the pheasants? Also pretty grim.

And there are some other grim things in the later stories too...all of which were more or less animated.

We had some drama series that were pretty cool around then too. Some from Australia (will always love the Girl from Tomorrow, that was 1990, and they wiped out the whole Northern Hemisphere O.o, some based on stuff here (like Demon Headmaster, Worst Witch...the latter probably not too actually dark mind you,Demon Headmaster - definitely a bit dark). THose were not as gendered though. Nor was Farthing Wood.

There was also the Silver Brumby and the Watership Down series (which I didn't really like) in the same 'real' vein.
Thanks for the clarification Taf. I like to call it NatGeo, if animals could talk. :D I've been watching episodes here and there when I can find it.

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@ all, I was talking about girls cartoons. As in "targeted towards girls only". I thought I had made this clear.
Yeah, I guess I forgot about She-Ra and for today the She-Ra reboot. I don't even know why I did not think of it :P

I know. And I acknowledged that girls cartoons didn't get dark anymore then boys and neutral toons did, aside from an episode here or there.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on November 25, 2020, 02:26:34 PM
Years ago Disney had a "Build Your Own Pony" and "Build Your Own Potato Head" setup in their stores where you'd get a box and fill it with accessories. They also had specific ponies that you could put in your box.  Since they were at Disney, they had exclusive Disney pieces--Like Mickey Sunglasses and Mrs. Potts/Chip tea party pieces for your pony.  I think they should offer "Build Your Own" options at HasbroPulse.  You just add items to your "Box" and then they mail it out to you. So if you're someone who wants to have a massive tea party setup for your ponies, you can fill it with tea party items but if you prefer outfits, you can fill it with hats and shoes.  They could set it up so that each item had a point value assigned to it and each box was worth so many points.  How you fill your box is up to you but it would cost $9.99 or something.

To be honest, if they had this for Mr. Potato Head I'd definitely use it.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Tropical_Sunset on November 25, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
Okay, here's my wantlist.

G1. There weren't US releases for some of the MLP Tales ponies, were there? I thought that was odd. I would have liked it if more of the Tales ponies had been made. I also wanted a Nightshade and Tirek.  :lol:

G2: Honestly I had no idea that G2 existed until I got into collecting as an adult... Don't have many opinions about them. They're cute though!

G3: Boys. Spike. More unicorns. Specifically a regular sized Cheerilee (purple unicorn). I would have LOVED that. And a non gimmicky Lily Lightly. I also would have loved to see the Mochanut and Dance Around molds used a lot more. They are darling. Another G3 regret is that they stopped the whole collector/art pony thing because some people were mad about their very existence. That really hurt.

G4: More boys. More variety in the poses. More unique characters, related to the show or not. The G4 movie style toy poses are cute and lively but before that we had what, a raised hoof? Yaay. Better hair quality. The hair on the toys towards the end (especially the movie style ones) was awful.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Ponybookworm on November 26, 2020, 08:40:37 AM
Okay, here's my wantlist.

G1. There weren't US releases for some of the MLP Tales ponies, were there? I thought that was odd. I would have liked it if more of the Tales ponies had been made. I also wanted a Nightshade and Tirek.  :lol:

G2: Honestly I had no idea that G2 existed until I got into collecting as an adult... Don't have many opinions about them. They're cute though!

G3: Boys. Spike. More unicorns. Specifically a regular sized Cheerilee (purple unicorn). I would have LOVED that. And a non gimmicky Lily Lightly. I also would have loved to see the Mochanut and Dance Around molds used a lot more. They are darling. Another G3 regret is that they stopped the whole collector/art pony thing because some people were mad about their very existence. That really hurt.

G4: More boys. More variety in the poses. More unique characters, related to the show or not. The G4 movie style toy poses are cute and lively but before that we had what, a raised hoof? Yaay. Better hair quality. The hair on the toys towards the end (especially the movie style ones) was awful.
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Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Lilja on November 27, 2020, 05:29:20 AM
Those are nice markings for Knightshade!  :)

What's interesting about Rescue at Midnight Castle is that there isn't really anything dark in it (except Tirek's casual threats of beaheading :biggrin:), it's all in the presentation, the visuals, music and voice acting. The witches from the movie do and are implied to have done much worse stuff than Tirek, but since everything else about them is so goofy, it never really comes off as dark. But I think the short runtime of RaMC is actually one of its strength. As a result it's very tight, intense and action packed. It also leaves a lot to the imagination, which G1 at its best generally did. If it ran for much longer it might have felt padded out like the movie and End of Flutter Valley. The downside is that the ponies don't get much development, it's mostly just Megan and Scorpan. But at least the ponies help drive the plot forward, which they didn't really do at all in the following special, Escape from Catrina.

Another missed opportunity was that the Tales toyline never had a hair salon or ice cream parlor playset, since these were both prominent places the main character hung out at in the show. And Hasbro had previous molds they could've reused for this. They had already done four different beauty parlor playsets, but not a single one during the Tales era, even though there were two sets of ponies with a hair styling theme.

But the tail end of the European G1 toyline was pretty small scale and didn't do big playsets (the school was reissued from previous years). A hospital playset would also have been really cute for the nurse ponies, but no dice. Compared to the European G2 toyline which had so many different playsets! Maybe Hasbro should've invested in a cartoon for that, rather than the final years of G1.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: IceCrystal02 on November 27, 2020, 05:41:42 AM
Knightshade is beautiful!  :lovey:
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Ponybookworm on November 27, 2020, 10:49:19 AM
Cheers you two, sorry, edit three, LAW!!! I gave Knightshade a Pony shadow for his rumpmark due to the story about the shadows being stolen. I never made a Zeb, but I think he was portrayed as bipedal
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 27, 2020, 02:53:56 PM
Knightshade looks great!
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Nemesis on November 27, 2020, 08:06:50 PM
More merry-go-rounds in other generations. I'd love a bigger set with detailed ponies and a proper carousel like the matchbox carousel animals.

Imagine a rotating carousel with slots for all the G1 Merry Go Round ponies. <3 That would have been the best MLP playset ever.
This!!! So this!!!

I have seriously considered trying to DIY my own carousel for my Merry Go Round ponies out of a rotating spice rack and some dollhouse building materials. XP
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 28, 2020, 09:18:02 AM
If you do that carousel, please show it off.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Carrehz on November 29, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
What's interesting about Rescue at Midnight Castle is that there isn't really anything dark in it (except Tirek's casual threats of beaheading :biggrin:), it's all in the presentation, the visuals, music and voice acting. The witches from the movie do and are implied to have done much worse stuff than Tirek, but since everything else about them is so goofy, it never really comes off as dark.

I'd never thought about it before, but wow, you're right! That's an interesting way of thinking about it... I love it. It is curious how the presentation of something can change how it comes off...
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on November 29, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
What's interesting about Rescue at Midnight Castle is that there isn't really anything dark in it (except Tirek's casual threats of beaheading :biggrin:), it's all in the presentation, the visuals, music and voice acting. The witches from the movie do and are implied to have done much worse stuff than Tirek, but since everything else about them is so goofy, it never really comes off as dark.

I'd never thought about it before, but wow, you're right! That's an interesting way of thinking about it... I love it. It is curious how the presentation of something can change how it comes off...

I have to say I think enslaving ponies/other creatures, oppressing them, chaining them to a chariot of darkness etc is a bit dark.

But most of the 'dark' in G1 is implied in the other stuff around what's actually happening. The implications of the characters and what they are doing, rather than necessarily the scenario on screen.

Think about the complete lack of water in the Magic Coins. Think about those dried out baby sea ponies. Not very nice, is it, when you really think about the implication of absolutely NO water?

And so on.

When you stop and THINK about these things properly. This is the bit people sometimes miss with G1. Even the not so dark stories are actually packing some serious implications.

I mean, G4 has some serious implications too ,but from what I've seen they're fairly often intiated by the main cast rather than the villains, who are too busy making friends with everyone to last more than an episode or two of threat (perhaps excluding Sombra, Changelings, but in general, I think the M6 are more dangerous than most of the rest of the G4 cast)
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Lilja on November 30, 2020, 02:52:13 AM
I have to say I think enslaving ponies/other creatures, oppressing them, chaining them to a chariot of darkness etc is a bit dark.

That's true, but by fairytale standards (which tend to have stuff like child abuse and cannibalism) it's not so bad. But the point being that I think when people call RaMC "dark", they're talking about the presentation and atmosphere more than the story. A pony being transformed into a dragon in a fairytale-like setting shouldn't be that huge of a deal, but the staff really went out of their way to make the transformation sequence as horrifying as they could probably get away with. Keeping Tirek in shadows for the first half of the episode was also a great move. Everything just came together really well in this special, in a way it didn't for later G1 animations (which of course also had some horrific implications when you examine them closer, but people rarely call them dark like they do for RaMC).

On the topic of a carousel playset, that is such a great and obvious idea for horse-themed toyline. But there are a lot of complications that probably would've made it difficult to make into a feasible product. Especially in G1 when the ponies were bigger, which would necessitate a bigger playset. Also, since the ponies came in many different sizes and poses, it might be hard to come up with a good way fasten them onto the carousel. One might also expect it to have electronics in order to spin. In the end you have a big, expensive playset, which is beautiful to look at, but otherwise doesn't offer much play value for the price and its size.

Even though it's rather narrow and doesn't fit a lot of ponies, Rarity's carousel playset for the G4 toyline otherwise handled the concept pretty well. Since it doubles as a fashion runway, that adds some extra play value. And also, lots of the early G4 ponies came with saddles for their tiny animal friends to ride on their backs. Which means not only can the ponies ride on the carousel, but the animals can ride on the ponies, riding the carousel. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: bright rabbit 1 on November 30, 2020, 04:11:59 AM
On the topic of Fairy Tales a dark version of Red Riding Hood, the wolf tells Hood to eat food (basically her grandmother) and to remove her clothes and get into bed with him.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: StillandSilent on December 01, 2020, 05:29:14 PM
As far as dark 80s/Early 90s cartoons, does anyone else remember an episode of Captain Planet where Linka's boyfriend/brother gets high, jumps through a window, accidentally slitting his wrists and dying?   I remember being very shocked as a child
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on December 01, 2020, 07:56:22 PM
As far as dark 80s/Early 90s cartoons, does anyone else remember an episode of Captain Planet where Linka's boyfriend/brother gets high, jumps through a window, accidentally slitting his wrists and dying?   I remember being very shocked as a child
I actually saw this episode mentioned on a list of disturbing cartoon episodes just today. I think it was her cousin...? His name was Boris. It's called "Mind Pollution," and I'm pretty sure he ODs on "bliss" (the fictional drug) after downing most of a bottle at once. I had minimal exposure to Captain Planet as a child (saw one or two episodes in school from the TV with a built-in VCR on wheels), so wasn't scarred for life by this.

I remember my first time watching Jem. My mom saw it was on Netflix and just threw it on since she watched it as a kid (but somehow missed the fact that there were dolls). I'm all like "Heehee! 80s toy-based cartoon with pretty, fluffy-haired rockstar girls!" And the first episode opens up with the girls getting out of the roadster with adoring fans chanting their names... then the narration comes in with something like "It all started with the unexpected death of my father." Instant whiplash. Jem felt significantly less talk-downy than most 80s cartoons I've sampled. There's the drug episode I think was mentioned earlier ("Alone Again?"), with some random kid at school preying on an orphaned girl's insecurities to get her hooked on these mystery hallucinogens, and the episode called something like "Out of the Past" which details the events leading to her father's death, her mother's death, and the depressing details surrounding them. It's one of my favorites; it's very emotional! Then the very next episode features a wacky time machine and ends with a silly dinosaur biting the bad guys. Nothing's perfect! That said, I really do want to rewatch the series since I've only watched it once.
(And I really want to get my hands on some of those dolls; my only Jem toy is Rama Llama! I found her at that mystical out-of-state flea market I'm constantly babbling about- for just one dollar. One. Dollar. Be jealous.) Or don't. You don't have to if you don't want to!

As for missed opportunities... The G3 Jewel Birthday Ponies are an odd set. Some of them are party-themed, which is fitting, and their symbols all have [birthstone]-colored gems in them, but... SO MANY are flower-themed, and the gem interacts awkwardly with some of the symbols; most gem ponies have a design built around the stone, but a lot of them just kinda have one shoved in there.

June Blossom stands out to me, probably since she's my birth month. She's got this butterfly with a giant head and no face when she's the one pony that a floral symbol would have made the most sense on due to her name. And then there's the issue of the alexandrite. Real alexandrites change color depending on the lighting, from an aqua-green to a purple or wine red, which would have made a gorgeous color scheme. I do like her color scheme, but she could've been so much prettier.

Imagine if the others were given this treatment! As-is, you could tell me that some or even all the designs were made for standard gem ponies and then rejected and repurposed based only on their gem color, and I'd believe you. I really wish these guys made a bit more sense, but most of them aren't bad designs at all; quite a few are really pretty! They just don't all scream "[insert month]" to me.
Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: Taffeta on December 02, 2020, 08:19:19 AM
@MintyMyndi - you forgot about the trip to shangri-la and the yeti. That episode - and its awful animation - is so memorable :) Jem is also available on DVD but I think only in the US format (region 1). That's the version I have anyway...I have the versions from UK Gold etc when they aired before that but I don't think there is a European (in English) version yet. Jem is definitely not as patronising as some other kids cartoons though, and as brutal.

Although not so great on relationship morality, given the fact Rio is two-timing Jerrica with herself and then in one episode, with a third identity...and as for the chauvenism of Riot...

On that same note, mind you, there's also a pretty grim backstory for the Stingers with some connitations...and the final episode, a Father Should Be, is about BaNee finding her dad, a Vietnam vet. Not content with almost making that poor little girl blind in the early eps, or a runaway somewhere in the middle, the series ends with flashbacks of her parents in Vietnam...

Title: Re: Hasbro’s Missed Opportunities
Post by: MintyMyndi on December 02, 2020, 05:34:51 PM
Yeah, you're right! I just chose what was the most memorable to me. I do remember a part of the Shangri-La episode when either Roxy or Pizzazz (don't remember which) cuts her hand on a thorn and there's a drop of blood intentionally animated, which surprised me a bit to see! In my generation, parents would've probably thrown a fit! Can't have kids knowing blood exists... Y'know, kids who lose teeth and fall on the playground and bust their lips open who are not only well aware of it already, but probably have strong opinions on how it tastes.
(I was one of those kids who would suck on a busted lip just to taste my own blood. They weren't rare!)

Which makes me think of a moment from the MLP 'n' Friends episode "Woe is Me" when the nursery collapses with Woebegone inside, and the very first thing the ponies say when they see him is a comment doubting whether he's still alive (though it avoids the word "dead").
Then you've got Tales with the ghost story trying so hard to avoid the concept of death that it's painful. I'm pretty sure they wrote it first, then were asked to turn it down.
I don't think that there was a single mention of anything resembling death in G3, except for the word "tombs" in the song "Music Box Dancer" on "The Princess Promenade" CD, which was not written with ponies in mind and was covered in a way that the lyrics are very difficult to understand, which was likely intentional; the rest of the G3 songs on those CDs are sung so very clearly (with the exception of "Promenade Canon," which is hard to understand due to the verses being sung overtop of each other), and my brother told me that the lyrics were depressing. They probably were just like "Here's a pretty song! Ooooh, someone wrote words for it! ...Yeah, let's pretend that they're all cheerful and stuff. Kids won't care!"
(Kids DO care.)

Heck, there's another missed opportunity. Those G3 CDs were a bit shallow, but they were charming. They didn't include "Join the Promenade" on the CD, and as far as I know, they only made two CDs with high-quality, sound-effect-less versions of songs from the cartoon. How cool would it have been to get a CD for "The World's Biggest Tea Party?"

Speaking of which... They made a ninth pony in that style of costume, Twinkle Hope, for the Give Kids the World Village. Around 2017, they retired this version of her for a G4 version with Fluttershy's hairstyle. They never made this version into a toy! With the transition into the new art style and an even newer one on the horizon, I don't think they will.

And on the topic of charity ponies, there were a few ponies in FiM designed and voiced by Make-a-Wish kids. With those kids' (or their families', considering their age) permission, they could have made toys which included a donation to Make-a-Wish in their purchase! These ponies are popular characters which don't have official toys, and their popularity has spread awareness of this charity, so this could be a way to come full circle and give more kids such an opportunity!

As far as I know, G4 never got any charity ponies at all! I always love to see those guys; I always get the impression that they have such sweet personalities due to their origins; I end up liking them as characters without much info given on their personalities! Of course, I'd also like feeling that I'm contributing to a good cause. I wasn't collecting when Twinkle Hope, the last charity pony, was released, so I never got to experience that!

And I've written another novel. Hope I didn't bore you guys!
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