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Title: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 12, 2013, 01:46:10 AM
Hello.  I'm not sure if this topic goes here, but if it doesn't, could it be moved to where it should be.

Anyway, I am heading up a non-profit animation project featuring the Generation 1 ponies in the FiM style.  We are currently in the early stages of developing concept art and we have a for the most part final script of the pilot.  It will feature Wind Whistler, Fizzy, Tootsie, Gusty, Shady, and Flutterbye as the main characters.  It will also feature Majesty as the (mostly) kind, old queen of the ponies.  Just about all of the Year 2-4 U.S. released ponies as well as the Big Brother Ponies, U.K. Mountain Boys (as unicorns,) and some OC stallions and colts will also be making some kind of appearance as minor characters or in background cameos.   Megan and her family (including her father and mother) will also appear as a family moving out of the city to restart of a foreclosed horse ranch in Northern Indiana that happens to be connected by rainbow to another dimension populated by colorful ponies.  Many of the ponies' classic foes will also be making a return.

We're hoping to get permission from Hasbro to use the My Little Pony brand legally.  However, we might need help.  For Hasbro to consider giving us permission, they probably want to know how it would benefit them.  One of my thoughts is this could be a way to raise the profile of the G1 ponies without Hasbro first putting down money to trademark them.  If our pilot episode goes over well, it could reveal the demand for G1 ponies I've seen here and elsewhere and generate more demand.  If the demand is great enough, it would convince Hasbro it would be profitable to trademark the old ponies.  That would mean more ponies to sell which would mean more money for Hasbro.

It would help if we could get proof there is a demand in the first place.  I know there are many G1 fans here.  If we could get support from the collector community (particularly collectors who are parents of little kids,) Hasbro might see they have something to gain by giving us permission to use their brand.  We're getting some support in the brony community (many of the current staff are bronies,) but I think the voice of the collectors and parents will ring louder with Hasbro.

We could also use staff.  We're looking for animators, storyboarders, background artists, and particularly female voice talent (as well as some male voice talent) at the moment.  We have a site in the works (I'll post the link when it's presentable) and we're working on vectors of the main characters.

Thank you for your time and any help (even if it's just moral support) you can give us.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Archer on February 12, 2013, 01:59:05 AM
This is one of the coolest things i've seen in ages lol :D It sounds awesome ^_^ And so much kudos for using Flutterbye, she's one of my fave G1 ponies ^_^

Also don't know how many Va's you need, but if you want someone to do some voices i certainly wouldn't mind :) (especially flutterbye lol)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: SALTY5621 on February 12, 2013, 02:02:16 AM
i would love to help out in any way i can!
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 12, 2013, 02:34:02 AM
We need quite a few female voice actors (I want to say a dozen) and maybe four male voice actors.  We currently have one female voice actor and Flutterbye has not been cast as of yet.

If you're interested, I will need your Skype account and email address.  You also need a dropbox account.  I would suggest sending these to me in a PM instead of posting them in public.

And I again want to thanks everyone for their time.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Malicieuse on February 12, 2013, 02:34:43 AM
Honestly, i doubt you will get permission of Hasbro. They just shut down "Fighting is Magic" and that one had a ton of fans behind it. Why not just make it? There are quite some G4 animation projects going on that didn't ask their permission.

Also, i'm a traditional animator. Would love to help out if i can.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Dragonflitter on February 12, 2013, 07:12:42 AM
Honestly, i doubt you will get permission of Hasbro. They just shut down "Fighting is Magic" and that one had a ton of fans behind it. Why not just make it? There are quite some G4 animation projects going on that didn't ask their permission.

I was going to post this but Malicieuse beat me too it!

Very sad to hear about Fighting is Magic (which was a very long-term non-profit project, just like this animation would be). Hasbro waited quite some time to spring it on them.... I think they were in the final stages of development of their online game when Hasbro sent them a cease and desist order. And this was hardly a hidden project, many of the online brony sites talked about it and featured information on the upcoming game, and they had demo videos on youtube.

It would be sad if your efforts were cancelled after you put a bunch of time and work into them, but it would also be sad if you worked for years without asking permission and then Hasbro ordered you to take the finished product down as soon as you revealed it...

That being said, I was just at Magfest in Washington DC in January, where they publicly aired a fan-made combination live action and CGI Sonic the Hedgehog movie, about 20 minutes in length. The animation team had been working on the project for three years. It looked great, and in the Q&A afterward they said SEGA hadn't been after them at all for their project.

...of course, SEGA and Hasbro are two entirely different entities...but it's food for thought.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Tirac on February 12, 2013, 07:48:23 AM
I'd be interested in helping with this endeavor.
When is it scheduled to start?
I could work on music and possibly contribute my animating skills (I do traditional animation) or even voice acting. (I can do child voices if they would come in handy, unfortunately my voice has not deepened as of yet so no male voice for me. :( )
Only problem is is that I'd be fairly busy until August this year and that I don't think Hasbro would be on-board because of what happened with Fighting is Magic.

I'm really liking the idea though and would love to be a part of it.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: cacopony on February 12, 2013, 09:12:04 AM
I really love the idea!
it sounds great, I hope you guys get  permission from hasbro °v°
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: OLumeVaSti on February 12, 2013, 09:31:28 AM
Cool idea! I couldn't see myself lending my voice. I don't think there is a pony who would have a West Virginia accent tinged with a bit of Montana.  :P
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Kazzellin on February 12, 2013, 09:51:53 AM
I would be interested in helping as a potential voice, but I've neither Skyipe account, web cam, or even a mic for my compy, so don't know if I'd be able to. :blush:
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: kakenterprise on February 12, 2013, 09:57:25 AM
I don't care to much for traditionally animating(I can but it's not my cup of tea) but I've done tons of story boarding.  Depending on what I'm doing at the time I'd be willing to help out.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: CarnationTwirl on February 12, 2013, 10:32:07 AM
I'd be on board to contribute some voice work.  I have a fairly generic female voice...
Don't hold your breath on Hasbro giving you the green light though.  HOWEVER.  They lost the trademark to the old ponies to begin with.  Also there are several fan project animations on youtube that very obviously were never given permission but have not been nailed with C&D's.
It would be much easier to beg forgiveness than to seek permission.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Jordan on February 12, 2013, 10:33:54 AM
I'd love to help.
So if you ever need a male voice I'm in! :D
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Dragonflitter on February 12, 2013, 10:41:19 AM
HOWEVER.  They lost the trademark to the old ponies to begin with. 

I'm not sure if that's really true or just something people online say. After all, Hasbro contributes official art to the MLP Fair each year which has Firefly and other G1 ponies on it, so they obviously can still produce art with the G1 characters.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Evening_Moonstone on February 12, 2013, 10:42:03 AM
I'd love to help with VA work.  Sent you a PM.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Vulpy on February 12, 2013, 10:44:04 AM
I might be able to help as a VA. The thing is, I'm female BUT I have a deep voice, so sometimes I sound like a boy. XD
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: CarnationTwirl on February 12, 2013, 10:50:08 AM
HOWEVER.  They lost the trademark to the old ponies to begin with. 

I'm not sure if that's really true or just something people online say. After all, Hasbro contributes official art to the MLP Fair each year which has Firefly and other G1 ponies on it, so they obviously can still produce art with the G1 characters.
You might be correct.  I'm just echoing what I've heard about why they couldn't use g1 in FiM
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: brightberry on February 12, 2013, 11:42:30 AM
I always thought they meant they couldn't trademark the name, not so much that they lost the trademark.  They want to use trademarked names so they can protect their intellectual property.  Anyone can use "Firefly" but only Hasbro can use "Twilight Sparkle". 

That was my impression anyway.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 12, 2013, 03:38:34 PM
Trademarks lapse after 20 years if you don't renew.  Hasbro didn't renew.

Fighting is Magic made the legal mistake of not getting any agreement down on paper.  We'll have to see how things work out.

Thank you for your support.  I can help people get Skype and Dropbox accounts (the basic versions are free and all you need.)  I'll turn the auditions into a .pdf file and make some more.  We'll be happy to have you along.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Galactica on February 12, 2013, 03:42:21 PM
I hope this works out!  Would love to see it-
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Linnzy on February 12, 2013, 03:48:46 PM
this sound way cool. I would definately help out with voices but I don't have a mike...just the built in one in my minilaptop...don't think that is good enough....
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Sonata on February 12, 2013, 04:06:54 PM
Hey ! I'm an animator and would love to help ! I'll probably have a freelance job soon, but I can squeeze this project in anyway (assuming you guys don't really have much of a deadline). Are you guys doing the animation on Flash or traditionally? I do traditional 2D animation but I can go back and re-learn Flash if needed (in fact, I kinda need to do this).
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 12, 2013, 04:26:21 PM
We don't have deadline.  However, we're currently planning on using flash for the animation.  Though, if we have enough traditional animators, we might change that.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: hathorcat on February 12, 2013, 05:30:35 PM
I do hope you can work it out with Hasbro :) I can see where the voices of concern are coming from - it would be a pretty major project to invest time, energy and money into in order to then have it shut down but you seem to be rightfully trying to put in place permissions before proceeding. Perhaps if you can convince Hasbro to see you as a licensee and you need to buy a licence in order to progress. Fingers crossed :)

And yes I agree with DragonFlitter on the trademarks - they didnt loose the right...they can still draw a G1 Snuzzle and call her Snuzzle its just that they dont hold the TM to the name "Snuzzle" as it pertains to a toy. Nothing is stopping them from doing it and their is enough of their IP in the public domain that they would win any fight if someone drew a G1 pony and started calling it Snuzzle and Hasbro legally challenged it. A trademark guards against fraud and IP theft but public awareness and established history can be perceived as existing rights. 
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 12, 2013, 05:51:40 PM
Buy?  How much does a license cost?
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: hathorcat on February 12, 2013, 06:05:33 PM
It largely depends on what you are licensing - i.e. what markets your product would be going in to, what you would be commercially producing/creating.

Licensing is not just products - your concept is probably closest to something like the GameLoft pony app. This is a licensed product. GameLoft pay Hasbro for the rights to use the images and the brand. I would guess what you are hoping to do would fall under the same creative properties license.

Your advance would be you are looking at an older license for G1 and not for the current line. Licenses for products/creations which are no longer sold/made/promoted by the company which owns the license are traditionally cheaper than licenses for lines which are currently in store by the license owner. There is a reason our stores see a lot of "retro" products - old tv shows and movies and cartoons on t-shirts. Yes its cool and hip at the time but its also cheaper to buy the rights to produce a t-shirt which says Gummie Bears on it than the rights to produce a t-shirt which says TMNT. However, I would be prepared that it can be very very expensive - licenses dont tend to have a set price more a bench mark which is negotiated sometimes resulting in a fixed license purchase or even something as simple as a percentage of ever sale of a product going back to the license holder.

Hasbro are currently licensing G1. Look at the t shirts and hair accessories we are seeing with G1 ponies on them - these are as a result of a third party supplier licensing the rights to "retro/G1" MLP.

Its just a thought. Unfortunately even though you would not be a commercial money making exercise, Hasbro and other manufacturers will shut down things which simple infringe on their rights and their IP.

If you are speaking to them, it is just perhaps a channel you could consider - if it is even remotely financial viable, which I understand it possibly is not. I was just trying to suggest a get around for any issues - not many multinationals will sign over the rights to use something without protecting themselves or financially/commercially benefiting themselves in some way.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: RedKitsune on February 12, 2013, 06:11:28 PM
Honestly, i doubt you will get permission of Hasbro. They just shut down "Fighting is Magic" and that one had a ton of fans behind it. Why not just make it? There are quite some G4 animation projects going on that didn't ask their permission.

I was going to post this but Malicieuse beat me too it!

Very sad to hear about Fighting is Magic (which was a very long-term non-profit project, just like this animation would be). Hasbro waited quite some time to spring it on them.... I think they were in the final stages of development of their online game when Hasbro sent them a cease and desist order. And this was hardly a hidden project, many of the online brony sites talked about it and featured information on the upcoming game, and they had demo videos on youtube.

It would be sad if your efforts were cancelled after you put a bunch of time and work into them, but it would also be sad if you worked for years without asking permission and then Hasbro ordered you to take the finished product down as soon as you revealed it...

That being said, I was just at Magfest in Washington DC in January, where they publicly aired a fan-made combination live action and CGI Sonic the Hedgehog movie, about 20 minutes in length. The animation team had been working on the project for three years. It looked great, and in the Q&A afterward they said SEGA hadn't been after them at all for their project.

...of course, SEGA and Hasbro are two entirely different entities...but it's food for thought.

I have to agree with the above posts. If your project ever gets off the ground, Hasbro will simply nail the coffin shut : / It's a nice idea, but Hasbro will never allow it, unless you could get it done without permission.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 12, 2013, 06:18:48 PM
Which is why part of our planning is how this could be a benefit to them.  The most straightforward answer is exposure for more ponies.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: RedKitsune on February 12, 2013, 06:22:47 PM
I think your missing the point that Hasbro's bottom line is money. They aren't ever going to condone a project that is non-profit, made just for fans. As much as I would love to see a project like yours become successful, I also don't think it's realistic. But hey, prove me wrong, I'll watch your show xD
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: brighteyes on February 12, 2013, 06:29:44 PM
Maybe if you talk to Hasbro and find out how much it would cost to obtain proper licensing etc... (if they would require that) you could launch a kickstarter campaign to raise the money?  I know I would donate to see something like this happen.  I do wish you the best of luck though I have no talent to contribute toward the project.  I do hope you are able to do this.  It would be about the coolest thing ever.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 12, 2013, 06:46:54 PM
I'll have to find out how to ask.  I also need to figure out how to send them scripts and concept art since I've heard they're more receptive if you have those to show.

Speaking of concept art, we're close to finishing the first vectors of the main characters.  I'll see if I can get the artists to put them up.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: berylliumpone on February 12, 2013, 06:47:05 PM
I know this sounds really dumb--but I think the only way to keep it safe legally is for it to be used for educational purposes. Double Rainboom is doing their project as a senior film, and they got permission from Hasbro.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 12, 2013, 07:06:49 PM
I am of two minds . . . On the one hand, I think keeping on the low-down might be a good idea.   "Fighting Is Magic" didn't get shut down UNTIL they put it in EVO (the big fighting game convention).   In my opinion the problem for Hasbro was not that it was being made, but that it became too big to ignore.  Hasbro was certainly aware of it, as they emailed Hasbro early on asking if it was okay.  (Hasbro never replied, which they foolishly took to mean "Yes, go ahead!")

The secondary problem was that a game where ponies punch each other obviously doesn't fit with their concept of the brand (friendship, innocence, etc).

On the other hand, I understand the desire to get everything straightened out to begin with with a license, rather than spending two years on something (like Fighting Is Magic) and THEN having everything shut down.

In conclusion, I dunno!  But I think it's a great and fun idea.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 13, 2013, 02:55:20 AM
I know this sounds really dumb--but I think the only way to keep it safe legally is for it to be used for educational purposes. Double Rainboom is doing their project as a senior film, and they got permission from Hasbro.
I don't think I could get away with calling this educational.

However, I do want to write for Hasbro Studios, and I'm the head writer of this project.  Maybe I could frame this as an audition.

I'm making a pdf of character profiles.  These will be brief descriptions of the characters along with a sample line.  I have the six main characters done so far.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 14, 2013, 04:15:15 AM
Well, we have vectors of the six main characters done.  However, the vector artists want to make a group picture for public release.  I've also made a PDF file of character profiles with sample lines.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B60i6pK795HEVURIX00tQUVQOGM/edit?usp=sharing

Right now it's just the six characters.  I'll add more soon.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Lancer on February 14, 2013, 04:59:26 AM
I'm always up for voice acting!  As soon as you have some more details (audition lines etc.), I'd love to give this a go. :)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: zora on February 14, 2013, 05:07:33 AM
i am an animator but i use after effects for it. no experience with flash animation.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 14, 2013, 05:26:16 AM
I'm always up for voice acting!  As soon as you have some more details (audition lines etc.), I'd love to give this a go. :)
The link in my post above is a PDF file with character sheets including audition lines.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: SwiftStar84 on February 14, 2013, 06:05:01 AM
 Honestly the best thing you can do is put a disclaimer either on the webpage or at the beginning of the episode stating that "This is a parody." That way you don't have to get permission from Hasbro and Hasbro then can not legally touch you. In other news if you need more Male VA's I'm interested.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: NumiTuziNeru on February 14, 2013, 06:18:07 AM
Ooooooo. Might consider doing some VA stuff for fun, hmm.

Well. So long as you don't mint British accents. On account of. Y'know.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Evening_Moonstone on February 14, 2013, 06:47:40 AM
Sounds great, is there an email where we should send our recordings to you? :)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 14, 2013, 08:11:57 AM
I can be reached at [email protected]
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: hathorcat on February 14, 2013, 03:45:22 PM
Honestly the best thing you can do is put a disclaimer either on the webpage or at the beginning of the episode stating that "This is a parody." That way you don't have to get permission from Hasbro and Hasbro then can not legally touch you. In other news if you need more Male VA's I'm interested.

Not really unfortunately. Companies will still go after parodies and satires even if they are trying to use fair use as a justification. So doing that doesn't protect you from the legalities involved - it has to be a parody in order to be protected and even then not 100% guaranteed. 

Also a parody is clearly defined as poking fun or criticising something - that is not something I think this project could claim to be doing. Also a parody has to be based on something this is a new and unique entity not a reflection of an existing project.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Sora on February 14, 2013, 05:21:52 PM
Ooooooo. Might consider doing some VA stuff for fun, hmm.

Well. So long as you don't mint British accents. On account of. Y'know.
This is my answer too :P

Except I also have the problem of sounding more like a guy most of the time. Oops.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 14, 2013, 06:17:29 PM
There will be more stallions in this.  And we'll need a voice for Spike and some colts.  So, we will need male or at least masculine voices.  Gusty is also a major tomboyish, so if she sounds a little masculine, it would be power for the course.

As for accents.  North Star will have a British accent like in the original.  We might be able to work with some other accents.  Send us your auditions and we'll see how they fit.

And for hopeful VA's, there is a character profile that I'm filling in.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B60i6pK795HEVURIX00tQUVQOGM/edit?usp=sharing
Right now there are profiles and sample lines for Wind Whistler, Fizzy, Tootsie, Gusty, Shady, Flutterbye, and Majesty as well as stallions Hurricane and Monsoon.  Profiles for Little Ribbon, Little Heart Throb, Little Sundance, Little Lickety-Split, Sundance, Heart Throb, Sparky, and the Williams (Megan's family) are coming soon.  Check them out and send us your samples.  Original samples are also welcome as we fill more minor roles.

We're looking for an older sounding woman for Majesty who can speak with gravitas.  Monsoon is also an older character.  King Charlatan will be the main antagonist of this first adventure, so we also need a voice for him.  We know these will be harder roles to cast because of this.

I'm contemplating writing profiles for Magic Star, Galaxy, Spike, and Hydia and her daughters.  They're more minor characters, but still important.  Firefly, Surprise, Sparkler, and Twilight will also be making cameos.

As for calling this parody, this is not parody by any stretch of the imagination.  Getting permission is the only 100% way to avoid trouble.  Maybe if we could get support from the show staff and actually use it to gain favor with Hasbro's legal and My Little Pony departments.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: CarnationTwirl on February 14, 2013, 06:42:50 PM
Declare it to be a tribute?
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 14, 2013, 06:51:57 PM
Declare it to be a tribute?
Call it a 30th anniversary project?  That might fly with them.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Tirac on February 14, 2013, 06:56:39 PM
I think that making it a 30th anniversary project will be the best idea.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: gabumon on February 14, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
I can do some voice work, male.  As long as you don't need a fancy microphone. :) PM me if you still need some male voices.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 14, 2013, 07:35:17 PM
Let me know if you need an editor.  :)  I've done a fair amount of beta reading / editing and have a good ear, I think.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 15, 2013, 04:15:14 AM
An editor would be greatly appreciated along with other roles.  All we need your Skype account.

We also think pitching this to Hasbro as a non-profit tribute would be a good idea.  There's nothing like flattery, right?
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: rtattles on February 15, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
Honestly the best thing you can do is put a disclaimer either on the webpage or at the beginning of the episode stating that "This is a parody." That way you don't have to get permission from Hasbro and Hasbro then can not legally touch you. In other news if you need more Male VA's I'm interested.

Not really unfortunately. Companies will still go after parodies and satires even if they are trying to use fair use as a justification. So doing that doesn't protect you from the legalities involved - it has to be a parody in order to be protected and even then not 100% guaranteed. 

Also a parody is clearly defined as poking fun or criticising something - that is not something I think this project could claim to be doing. Also a parody has to be based on something this is a new and unique entity not a reflection of an existing project.

Let's call it a ...I don't know... biography? lol

I went through animation school, although I'll need a bit instructions to get my gears moving again. I love colouring, so if you have of those jobs, SIGN ME UP!
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 15, 2013, 10:33:04 AM
Honestly the best thing you can do is put a disclaimer either on the webpage or at the beginning of the episode stating that "This is a parody." That way you don't have to get permission from Hasbro and Hasbro then can not legally touch you. In other news if you need more Male VA's I'm interested.

Not really unfortunately. Companies will still go after parodies and satires even if they are trying to use fair use as a justification. So doing that doesn't protect you from the legalities involved - it has to be a parody in order to be protected and even then not 100% guaranteed. 

Also a parody is clearly defined as poking fun or criticising something - that is not something I think this project could claim to be doing. Also a parody has to be based on something this is a new and unique entity not a reflection of an existing project.

Let's call it a ...I don't know... biography? lol

I went through animation school, although I'll need a bit instructions to get my gears moving again. I love colouring, so if you have of those jobs, SIGN ME UP!
PM me your skype account and I'll invite you today or more likely tomorrow.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 15, 2013, 12:00:25 PM
Random thought . . . it might be hard to design good-looking outfits for Flutterbye because of her color scheme.  A lot of colors don't look good with a strong orange, and then her rainbow hair makes risks of clashing even more likely.   I don't know how far you guys are in the process, but would it be possible to transfer her personality to a different pony with a different palette?  I am thinking a pony with only one or two body/hair colors would be safest. 

If you still want to use a Rainbow pony, perhaps Starshine?  Or, this is a crazy thought, but what about Snuzzle?  (Could make her a pegasus if necessary.)  Pale grey, that could make for a very pretty pony when dressed up!
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Tirac on February 15, 2013, 12:02:53 PM
I have a question.
What exactly are you guys going to to for music? Bring back old scores? What about the original theme song? I think that when casting the vocal roles there should be some singing talent. Will it be a musical like the original series?
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 15, 2013, 12:11:16 PM
Oh, I hope you do new scores or maybe can use royalty-free / copyright free classical music?   (I didn't like the MLP & Friends background music and they never used it very well.)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 15, 2013, 12:24:30 PM
Flutterbye will remain Flutterbye.  We already have the script for the pilot, Cold War.  We also put a lot of work making her, so we're using her.  We might lighten her coat color to more like Applejack's if need be.  We'll also be careful with the colors of the outfits she wears.

Also, in this, all rainbow ponies have red, yellow, green, cyan, blue, and magenta streaked hair.  So, they'll look a little different from the original G1s.

We're making our own unique score.  That's the biggest hurdle as we need money to buy all the instrumentation programs.  As for a musical, I'm not a lyricist, so there aren't many songs planned unless someone more lyrically inclined can come in and help.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Mirnyj on February 15, 2013, 01:20:54 PM
 :yippee:
I love the idea of this and wish you all the luck in the world to reach your goal, I'll be rooting for you all the way!

I'd love to try auditioning for the VA:s too, but as I'm not a native English speaker, I don't think I would be able to pull it trough...  :cloud:
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Evening_Moonstone on February 15, 2013, 02:52:10 PM
I just sent off a handful of line readings.  Please let me know if you'd like me to record any others. :)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Sora on February 15, 2013, 03:05:31 PM
There will be more stallions in this.  And we'll need a voice for Spike and some colts.  So, we will need male or at least masculine voices.  Gusty is also a major tomboyish, so if she sounds a little masculine, it would be power for the course.
Well, I guess I could send in a recording, see if it's what you're looking for, haha. Is there a deadline? Sorry if you've already posted it somewhere.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 16, 2013, 02:39:56 AM
There's no deadline at the moment.  Just send in what you can.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Lyra on February 16, 2013, 02:54:56 AM
Good luck :) I am curious, what programs would you use to make the animation?
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 16, 2013, 03:22:36 AM
We'd be using Flash.  I think we're looking at CS3 and 5.5.  We could also use 3d modelers and animators for a couple things.

I should probably explain this better.

This is called My Little Pony Legends.  We're currently working on the 5-part pilot Cold War.  It features King Charlatan as the main antagonist and also introduces Megan and her family as well as goes into our backstory for the G1 ponies.  That's what we're concentrating on right now.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: FiddlePhan on February 16, 2013, 06:28:04 AM
If you need a singing voice, I'm willing to help out.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 16, 2013, 07:30:18 AM
We're going to need probably three female singers.  We also need a lyricist, so anyone who can help in that regard is welcome.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on February 16, 2013, 03:11:22 PM
I look forward to seeing what Hasbro will say about all this...  ;)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: FiddlePhan on February 16, 2013, 03:56:17 PM
I haven't written lyrics in awhile but if you have the music and an idea of what you want from the song, I'm game for that as well as the vocals(female).

If you want a vocal sample, there's this from a concert.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3jaVb64XKM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3jaVb64XKM)

I love the idea of the project but I think Hasbro will be very protective of 'their' ponies.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: partypony566 on February 16, 2013, 03:58:35 PM
Oh that sounds like a brilliant idea!!! :squee:
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 16, 2013, 04:14:07 PM
That sounds beautiful.

Right now the only song I have planned is a sea pony song at the end.  We can maybe add more songs, but that's something we can worry about later.

As for Hasbro, I think calling this a non-profit fan tribute would be the best idea.  If they have any requirements, I would gladly make sure they're fulfilled.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Vulpy on February 17, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
I might audition for Gusty. ^^
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 17, 2013, 11:45:49 AM
Cool.

Also, if you want into our general chat, I need skype accounts.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Pleyone on February 17, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
Cool! I would love to see the original characters back!  :frolic:
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Lancer on February 17, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
I don't think my singing would be good enough for you (we have too many beautiful trained voices like FiddlePhan in the community who put me to shame!), but here's a couple of demos for you anyway.

In cartoon-style character:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW_NdZZ87o4

General:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFJI1zIkixQ

I'll send some voice clips to you in the next couple of days (my computer finally allowed me to open the google document and see the audition lines!)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: FiddlePhan on February 17, 2013, 04:33:47 PM
Thank you Lancer.  I listened to you too and I don't think there's anything wrong with your singing.  Totally in pitch and with lots of emotion.  So many people sing technically well but emotion wise, there's not much there.  :)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Tirac on February 17, 2013, 04:41:22 PM
I write lyric and poetry, I'd happily offer input.
Don't have any online samples but I'd send in lyrics and piano samples upon request.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 17, 2013, 05:00:36 PM
That's singing is really great.  We're also hoping to form a choir for the sea ponies.  I'm not sure how we'd do that over the internet.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 17, 2013, 05:18:51 PM
FiddlePhan, your voice is so beautiful!  :D  Lancer, OMG, you totally nailed G3 Minty's voice and your singing voice is lovely!  I'll bet you'd do a great rendition of "Candle on the Water".

Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 18, 2013, 01:19:30 PM
Such a beautiful song.  I love that movie to this day.

Post Merge: February 18, 2013, 03:27:37 PM

And I'm proud to showcase our very first piece of artwork for the project.  It's our leading ladies and our logo.

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/049/c/a/signed_group_picture_resized_final_v2_by_cyberdrace-d5vfi96.png
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: hathorcat on February 18, 2013, 03:31:10 PM
Very cute! I like Tootsie especially!
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 18, 2013, 03:49:33 PM
That is soooo cute!  I too am especially in love with Tootsie!
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: OctoberFlash on February 18, 2013, 03:57:31 PM
Ohh man, I love this project! I'll be keeping a super close eye on it omg <3

That's singing is really great.  We're also hoping to form a choir for the sea ponies.  I'm not sure how we'd do that over the internet.

Maybe you could just gather a lot of people willing to provide their voices and have them all cover the song you want them to do, then put all the voice clips together? C: Regardless of what you do, I'm willing to be a part of a sea pony choir, though!
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 18, 2013, 05:02:32 PM
We're glad you like it.

We're also building a website.  All the help we can get will be welcome.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Tirac on February 18, 2013, 09:21:43 PM
For the sea pony idea, the "parts" concept could work. I've lately been studying the music in deeper meaning because of how inspirational the original series was an as a vague idea for the original song, there were three lead singers and about 5 singers in total I'm guessing by audio alone.

With good microphones on the part of everybody, by recording each part separately someone could sync up the different voices together using an audio editing software.

My friends from an online RP community are planning to use this process for a RaMC fandub. We'll see how well it goes and be a guinneapig and tell if it works well.

Also, that cover/concept shot looks adorable.

My friends also urged me to audition because apparently I can sing There's Always Another Rainbow well and I'll get pied in the face on my birthday if I don't at least try to audition? I was holding back because I have confidence issues due to having a girl's voice but I'd really like to try being a part of this.
Do I just send in my skype username? Or PM you or what?
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 19, 2013, 02:13:16 AM
Just give me you Skype user name.  I can then add you to our chat.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Eighties_Otaku on February 19, 2013, 09:40:31 AM
I would love to be apart of this ^-^ I can do a few range of voices mostly are high pitched. I do have Skype too. Let me know what I need to do! I will pm u my Skype name as well. My voice is female
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on February 19, 2013, 04:49:15 PM
Here is the list of speaking roles and the number lines they have total for those interested.

Atlas             2 lines
Babel             3 lines
Barricade          1 line
Blond Harpy          3 lines
Buttons          10 lines
Charlatan          44 lines
Cryczech          3 lines
Daniel             14 lines
Danny             14 lines
Dave (buzzard)       4 lines
Draggle          8 lines
Edgar             20 lines
Fireball          7 lines
Firefly             19 lines
Fizzy             66 lines
Flutterbye          25 lines
Galaxy          6 line
General          9 lines
G’Nash          4 lines
Gusty             51 lines
Heart Throb          12 lines
Horseman          1 line
Hudson          14 lines
Hurricane          27 lines
Hydia             16 lines
Ice Crystal          1 line
Joe (buzzard)       3 lines
Lifeline          4 lines
Lightning          5 lines
Little Heart Throb       4 lines
Little Ribbon          4 lines
Little Sundance       1 line
Lofty             1 line
Magic Star          20 lines
Majesty          119 lines
Margret          4 lines
Masquerade          1 line
Medley          5 lines
Megan          77 lines
Mike (buzzard)       2 lines
Molly             5 lines
Monsoon          33 lines
North Star          17 lines
Paradise          7 lines
Powder          2 lines
Prince             10 lines
Puffin             3 lines
Purple Harpy          5 lines
Reeka             15 lines
Ribbon          3 lines
Sand Dollar          1 line
Sea Mist          1 line
Shady             13 lines
Skydancer          1 line
Sparkler          4 lines
Sparky          33 lines
Spike             5 lines
Sprinkles          1 line
Sundance          3 lines
Surprise          3 lines
Thundercloud       2 lines
Thundercloud Junior    2 lines
Tootsie          21 lines
Truly             7 lines
Twilight          6 lines
White Cap          1 line
Whizzer          11 lines
Wind Whistler       141 lines
Yeti             2 lines
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: xkappax on February 24, 2013, 07:20:25 AM
Can I try out for Gusty? She is my favorite pony of all time. I actually got my start doing voice acting by imitating her! :) I would LOVE to be a part of this.

Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: TJgamer on February 27, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
As a member of this project, I intend to do my part as well to help it lift off the ground.
It will be challenging, but hey, it's always great to have a good challenge in life.  ;)
Nevertheless, we need all the help we can get. For animation, art, writing, editing, voices, music, anything!
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Bow Tie on February 27, 2013, 08:29:08 PM
I would love to help out anyway I can. If you need voices, I'll gladly help out with that! :) My skype username is GlamorousRarity.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on March 01, 2013, 05:55:20 AM
I would love to help out anyway I can. If you need voices, I'll gladly help out with that! :) My skype username is GlamorousRarity.
Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: docinterlude on March 03, 2013, 02:24:26 PM
Well, I'm helping this project with Music (Orchestral, Piano, etc). I hope it goes well :)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Sora on March 03, 2013, 03:51:07 PM
I haven't forgotten about auditioning! I'll need to whip my laptop out to do so though, so hopefully sometime next week I'll send in an audition.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on March 06, 2013, 02:54:06 AM
Cool.

In the meantime, to increase our chances of getting Hasbro's blessing, we have changed the name to remove the mention of My Little Pony.  It's now Legends of Dream Valley.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: cacopony on March 06, 2013, 11:36:21 AM
I like how it sounds :D
I hope everything goes smoothly :P
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on March 10, 2013, 02:33:45 PM
I hope it does.

Those who want to join, just a reminder.  We need your Skype accounts to add you to our conversation.

Also an update on casting.

Fizzy, Gusty, and King Charlatan have been cast.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on March 16, 2013, 03:13:08 PM
We got a big update here.  Because it's a standalone episode, we're going to go with Flutter Phobia first.  So, whoever said they wanted to voice Flutterbye, you better be at the top of your game.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Mirnyj on March 16, 2013, 03:18:58 PM
No word from Hasbro yet?
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on March 16, 2013, 05:48:50 PM
No word from Hasbro yet?
I haven't contact them yet.  I really need to work up the courage.

I wish the My Little Pony Fair was sooner.  It would be nice to actually talk to someone about this.
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: TJgamer on April 17, 2013, 03:42:50 PM
We have come to a decision concerning the design and animation of this fan-made series. While the overall design will still be based very much on Friendship is Magic, we are going to have a unique style in the art and animation. Since this is not Friendship is Magic, we believe it should have its own look and feel.   :)
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on April 17, 2013, 05:33:41 PM
We have come to a decision concerning the design and animation of this fan-made series. While the overall design will still be based very much on Friendship is Magic, we are going to have a unique style in the art and animation. Since this is not Friendship is Magic, we believe it should have its own look and feel.   :)

I am sure this will lessen your chances of Hasbro shutting your project down as well.  Have you been able to contact them to ask permission?  I am sure some of us could do some investigation as to whom would be best to approach. 

I am very happy to hear that you will not be using the design and styles of the dedicated animators who spent years of their lives committed to this project.  It would be a slap in the face to those individuals' artistry if a fan-made show decided to make its merit based on the character designs from others!  That's the POINT of being fan-made, right?  ;)

Sorry if this comes across as harsh but one of my close friends is an animator and NOTHING bothers me more than seeing people copy her work for the convenience, when I know she spent MONTHS stressing over every little detail.  That is how she provides for her family!  :(
Title: Re: A G1 Animation Project
Post by: Al-1701 on April 17, 2013, 06:08:48 PM
We haven't gotten permission from Hasbro yet.  They seem to have an issue with using G1 character.  I want to talk to someone face to face over this.  Being able to discuss our intentions would be better than sending an explanation and waiting for a response.
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