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« on: March 15, 2024, 02:15:00 PM »
Michael Swanigan, who storyboarded on many a Marvel show in the 80s, has added MLP to his rotation of model sheet/storyboard books. While the models are already covered by what Rhaegar has made available, there does appear to be storyboards from Revolt of Paradise Estate: https://www.ebay.com/itm/116099265391
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« on: January 02, 2024, 07:30:45 PM »
As of this week, it's officially 40 years of MLP on TV visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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« on: December 20, 2023, 03:23:22 PM »
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« on: October 30, 2023, 10:54:18 AM »
Dark and Dirty up.
I skimmed through Catrina and the movie as well as a few random episodes and the commercials for the nursery and baby buggy but the nursery does not appear to match in any scene. I've also noticed in some scenes the bow color is pink instead of blue. I'd be very curious what this one is from.
Any idea of the forest scene?
Looking on Washer's IMDB listing I should check Moondreamers, Glo Friends, possibly even Charmkins. But I don't see Potato Head Kids listed. There is no text anywhere on this picture to help narrow this one down.
Looking at the top page of the writer's guide (I do not have the rest) there is the following interesting information:
Ages for Megan (13), Danny (10), Molly (7)
Majesty listed in the unicorn section
Peachy listed in the earth section
Cuddles also listed in the earth section as an adult pony.
This will be bundled up with other scans later where you can see it. You mentioned Wildshadow also saw Peachy mentioned, I wonder if they have the rest of this guide.
Thing to note with imdb, because MLP N Friends had composite credits for all four shows in the anthology, some folks may be credited for shows they were never a part of. Just to give an example, six story editors are listed: Martin Pasko and Rebecca Parr were on MLP, John Semper and Cynthia Friedlob were on Moondreamers and I'm guessing it was Michael Reaves and Brynne Stephens on Potato Head Kids (Doug Booth did Glo Friends, but he is credited in his producer capacity). But the credits do not make that distinction clear.
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« on: October 26, 2023, 03:10:10 PM »
Some interesting differences in the "Somnambula" boards:
Spoiler (Part 1) - the storyboards include Babies Cuddles, Lickety, Gusty and Heart Throb in the first shot too - Page 3 isn't used in the final ep - anyone got any idea what "N.D. Ponies" means? (On page 3) - So Soft Twilight and Locket are in the boards, but not the final ep! - the boards don't specify Somnambula's voice changing along with her appearance - Probably a coincidence, but I'm amused by one of Score's first lines including the phrase "touchdown" when we now know that was his original name - page 54 - Salty's line is cut down to just "Blow me down!" in the final ep. Page 55 and most of 56 didn't make it into the final. - The Brothers' feathering is drawn differently in some panels compared to the final ep (two lines of fur instead of just one? looks like they're wearing little socks or something, lol) - There's a cute background gag where Baby Sleepy Pie keeps falling asleep, this got cut in the final (it's not pointed out so possibly the animators just overlooked it?). Shame since this is her only appearance in the cartoon, it would've been nice for her to have SOME sort of personality trait. - Somnambula's much prettier in the final ep!  Conversely, I actually prefer Kiri's design from the boards (very Snow White-esque!) - page 79/80 - the close-up of Kiri being crushed didn't make it into the final. The rest of this *technically* made it into the final ep, but the storyboards are a LOT clearer than the final ver - I never really got what was going on here before now. Guessing S&P found it too violent and asked for it to be toned down, but the final ver is just kind of confusing. - Score's final line "I suddenly have a very bad feeling about this...!" was cut (at least it's not in the version of the ep I have...... most home video releases cut a few seconds out of the end of every ep to remove the "To Be Continued" so this might have been a casualty of that? don't have time to hunt down a copy without the TBC cut right now) (Part 2) - Pleasure Island the amusement park looks a bit less empty/abandoned in the boards (speaking of Pinocchio, I *just* noticed the Monstro-esque building in the background of the final ep. Nice touch.) - In the boards, the first pony the Big Brothers come across is Ribbon; in the final ep, it's Truly. I get why they changed it, since Truly's more relevant to the story (follows up from the end of part 1 better too), but Ribbon never really did anything in the show so it's sad to see we lost a moment with her here. - "Clearly this is Heart Throb's personal romance theatre" (I just wanted to quote this lol. hey, is her Salome thing here a Sunset Boulevard ref?) - Gingerbread has dialogue in the boards but not the final ep - Score's line "This place is making all the Little Ponies - old!" cut in final
Rhaegar - Page 13 from the Somnambula Part 2 boards is a repeat from Part 1, was that intentional? :o
Re: Baby, It's Cold Outside - SO nice to finally get a confirmed spelling for the little duckling's name. I was never sure if it was meant to be "Sunny" or "Sonny" since both make sense.
Princess Ponies: OMG the wand sheathes. Oh god that's adorable, they should've kept those!!! The final ep just has them awkwardly holding the wands in their mouths a lot (and talking clearly even despite this) - that's always bugged me but I figured, you know, what else could they do - but sheathes are such a clever workaround!
(comparisons, nitpicks, etc)
Spoiler - the boards specify to reference "The Magic Coins" for the Crystal Desert, which isn't really obvious in the final ep
- in the boards, the princesses are introduced making "hat shapes in their own colours". in the final ep they're making magical versions of their symbols. I wonder why the change?
- cut dialogue:
Serena: Did you hurt yourself?
Tiffany: Well, not hurt, exactly... But it's just awful!
now this one shoulda been kept - I always said Serena was the most sensible of the princesses - it'd be nice to see that early on in the ep.
- Lilac: -a knowledge of every part of one's domain! Especially the growing things!
Second half of line is cut from final.
- page 16 - "Who should be queen?" is just said over a black screen (transition out of song) in the final. the transition is MUCH smoother in the boards but I guess they had to cut it for time?
The storyboards suggest that Washer was working off the idea that the "By Right, I Should Be Queen" song would have the Princess show off their talents in a talent contest-esque setting - the final sequence just has them wander around showing off. I like the final version, but the Princesses-on-stage setup is really cute too.
- Cut sequence (pages 17-19) where the Bushwoolies "vote" for should be the Queen. this explains Spike's "let's let the Bushwoolies decide!" line in the final ep!!! the final ep just cuts straight from that to Lavan, making Spike's line this kind of weird non-sequitur.
between this + the Ghost of P.E. cuts it's looking like eps getting trimmed down to accomodate the songs happened quite often? IIiinteresting.
- Lavan's name is spelt like that here, not "La-van" as one VHS tape spelt it. *nitpicky*
- I never noticed Spike + the Bushwoolies dipping their little feets in the fountain before! in part cuz it's not really animated very clearly. but omg, that's *adorable*.
- the Bushwoolies' dialogue in the first panel of page 3 was changed for the final (in the storyboards it follows on from the cut sequence from pgs 17-19)
- the boards actually _show_ the Lava Demons taking the magic wands out of the sheathes, as opposed to the final ep where there's just this awkward jumpcut where one sec the ponies have 'em in their mouths, and the next sec the demon's holding the wands
- Lavan vs Spike makes a LOT more sense in the boards. Spike isn't breathing fire *directly on* Lavan and there's a decent amount of space between Spike/the Bushwoolies and the Lava Demons when Lavan does his smokescreen thing to escape. I guess there was some sort of miscommunication cause the final ep has Lavan right in front of them for the whole bit.
- Last two panels of page 32 were cut
- Pages 34-37 cut entirely (apart from Serena's line on page 34, and Lavan/Sludge diag. on pg 37) - Princess ponies bickering again
- IMO storyboard!Lavan has a lot more character, design-wise. IDK exactly what it is but I feel like something got lost in the transition from design to final ep there.
- Page 40-41 - Cut exchange between Lavan/Sludge
- not sure if this was a conscious change or not, but Spike's "now what??" line is specified as him sounding fed-up in the boards (makes sense since the princesses bicker a LOT more here), which isn't really the case for the final ep
- I feel like the bit w/ Fizzy's horn exploding bubbles is clearer in the storyboards
- More cut dialogue on page 57
- Page 60's final panel is missing from the final ep but again, I suspect this WAS animated and it just fell victim to those damned To Be Continued cuts
overall, wow, a lot of little cuts but they make a BIG difference... this ep really suffered for it too. guessing they had budget issues or somesuch. It's fascinating and saddening to see what could've been and where they were limited by TV animation budget, etc restraints (I definitely think that's why Fizzy's bubble stream looks so weird in the final).
Also I have the digital audio for the MLP movie audition reel. This thing is a trip, hope to have it up soon.
*vibrates with excitement*
You have to remember: these are the first drafts without the song sequences, which would be boarded later once dialogue recording was complete. So you've usually got a minute to 90 seconds of material to cut in order to make room (Somnambula Part 1 doesn't, but I suspect the the cliffhanger was bumped up to give more material to Part 2).
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« on: October 21, 2023, 02:48:23 PM »
Now I've had a chance to compare, Ghost Of Paradise Estate is heavily cut. The first 14 pages with all the painting mishaps are cut, presumably in compensation for the song sequence which was not ready to be boarded yet.
Because that's a thing I've noticed. Whereas Jem songs were recorded using singers in New York, while the script was still being written. Because both MLP and Glo Friends were more musical numbers sung by the voice cast, Marvel had to wait until after dialogue recording to put those sequences in as revisions.
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« on: October 18, 2023, 05:03:39 PM »
I don't have any off-site contact details for Wildshadow, but I sent her a PM on here 
Omg omg omg these storyboards are amazing! Some things are completely different to both the final cartoon AND the one that used to be on Wendell Washer's site! Oh my god, sea ponies using telegraphs, I love it! and it's cracking me up that this ver just has them get caught up in the song while AJ and Megan quietly drown in the background  I see why they toned it down but omg this is so fantastic!!
Good catch, I might not have noticed. Sure enough, the version I saved off Wendell's website was revised six days later. The changed panels are marked with an asterisk at the top: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LTkQCOJ8TDOp-CfpaOA9gU7R448m4JVK/view?usp=share_link
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« on: October 17, 2023, 10:07:35 AM »
Amazing . . . so much changed! "The Rainbow of Darkness terrorizes the little ponies and turns their beautiful hair into tangles." No mention of Scorpan being a prince either. What I wouldn't give to hear the ending song. Some genuine lost media there . . .
For specials and miniseries that got the full press release treatment, the summary was usually the writer's original premise, which could change a lot as it went through outline and full script. So just be aware that some of these things may not have made it that far.
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« on: September 23, 2023, 07:27:17 AM »
As some of you may know, storyboard artist Wendell Washer passed away last year. The gentlemen who has been organizing the sale of his paperwork archives over the last week, I've been in contact with through the Animation Art Collectors facebook group. There is still a fair amount of MLP N'Friends material available, including a dozen storyboard sets, press kit, model sheet book, colour guides and fully painted backgrounds from both the series and the movie. visitors can't see pics , please register or loginEdit - I've been reliably informed this material is now sold.
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« on: February 08, 2023, 07:29:17 PM »
Good day all. As I've posted in other threads, I run the Sunbow Marvel Archive. A "digital library" dedicated to preservation of material from shows produced by Sunbow Productions and/or Marvel Productions throughout their combined 20 year history. Obviously included in that goal are MLP N Friends (Sunbow/Marvel) and My Little Pony Tales (Sunbow/Graz). If anyone has scripts, storyboards, model sheets, background layouts or anything I've not thought of from either of these shows. And either has scans or is able to scan them and is willing to help, please get in touch. The MLP page: https://sunbowmarvelarchive.blogspot.com/p/mp-5201-my-little-pony-1984-1986-sunbow.html
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« on: January 21, 2023, 02:15:21 PM »
Yeah that's a Catrina cel, I remember it going up on eBay a while back.
I know Wildshadow has some production materials for the original cartoon and Tales. I remember seeing some storyboards for... it was one of the First Tooth baby eps, pretty sure it was "Prince and the Ponies" but it might've been the other one... blanking on where I saw 'em now, though. x_x Might have been a thread on here.
Have you seen the boards for "Call Upon the Sea Ponies"? The artist Wendell Washer put them up on his site and they're awesome: http://www.wendellwasher.com/samples/storyboards/mlpseaponies/sbdmlpsea-109.htm
I've seen G1 cels around as well too (mostly on Rubberslug, great site for cel collections) but mostly for the early adverts and Tales (Tales cels are kinda dime-a-dozen, I have no idea why), everything else seems to be impossible to find :/
To be honest I think a lot of it is that there just... hasn't been as much interest from our fandom, in curating that kind of stuff, compared to the Jem and TF crowds. Like, I know Christy Marx was active in the Jem fandom back in the day, and the TF fans seem to have a very good rapport with their "powers that be", but it's only really recently that MLP fans have started properly looking into this kind of stuff... from what I can tell.
Wendell passed away in July and his site has now been taken down. Whilst I have had private copies of his Marvel storyboard samples from the site stowed away for a couple of years now and I do run an archive for such things. I'm keeping them under wraps, at least for the time being, so as not to be disrespectful. That said, if anyone has scripts, storyboards or other material from either N Friends or Tales, and is willing to help, please let me know Sunbow Marvel Archive: https://sunbowmarvelarchive.blogspot.com/
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