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Title: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Shaiyeh on July 09, 2014, 01:36:17 AM
So I just logged on dA, and found that a group had requested for one of my drawings to be in their gallery. Sure, I thought, accepted and went to check the group out. Found another interesting group in the affiliates and also checked this one out.
Looks like friendly and nice groups, there's no problem with that.
I was just surprised to see folders named "g1.5". (they both have folders for art of g1, g2, g3, g3.5 and g4. Apparently also this "g1.5")

First I was confused but figured that must be for like, Dream Beauties and SHS ponies, since they look radically different than the rest of g1.
A closer look told me that it's actually for MLP Tales.
Since when has that been its own sub-gen? That actually kind of ticked me off... g3.5 looks different both in art style and pony style, and they re-released the same "bore 7" over and over again.
Tales... well, the ponies are in G1 molds.
They were released once ('sept for Melody, who got a go at rollerskating, and if you count nirvanas).
They were released at the same time as other G1s were. (or are all the late UK/Europe ponies G1.5?)
The art style is pretty much the same as g1, only they're a bit more... humanized? As in how they live, what they do, things they have (cars, freestyles, bikes).
I don't think it's, style-wise, much different from the older G1 cartoons. (and then, about the rollerskate ponies, we have to include Jazzie and Hip Hop in the "G1.5" 'cause if Tales is b/c being more humanized... well these are wearing SKATES and FREESTYLES and SUNGLASSES.)
It's even the same logo.
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G3 and G3.5 have similar logos, but it's not the same. (ok and they changed the "y" in the Tales logo, but big deal?)

It ticked me off. I'm like, "nooo don't go messing with our old classifications when they're fine as they are". Or have I missed something?
*steams off to kitchen to get tea*
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Teddy on July 09, 2014, 01:42:32 AM
Oh, don't get me started on the categories people are putting Tales in these days. >.< They have always been G1, but then all of the sudden (just in the last few years) people were calling them G2! And now someone has them as G1.5?? No, just no. Tales is part of the G1 line, end of story.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: gemini_pony on July 09, 2014, 02:33:30 AM
Ohhhh lord I ran across everyone on another site I go to calling it G2 and got mauled for trying to correct them >.>
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Shaiyeh on July 09, 2014, 02:36:05 AM
Whyyy?? Honestly, can people do their research? What were they saying to justify Tales is g2? From that cover of the released dvd during g2 years?
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Malicieuse on July 09, 2014, 02:47:55 AM
A lot of new fans think that once a different show starts you get a different gen.
It's what you get when people only know about the shows and can't be bothered to learn about the thing they claim to be fans of.
Not that "1.5" even makes sense when you would only look at the shows. By that logic Equestria Girls would be "4.5" or something and those Newborn Cutie animations would be "3.75"...
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Shaiyeh on July 09, 2014, 02:56:03 AM
Yes, I guess it'd be the reason why... but then, really, g3 cartoons would be g2, then we'd have the .5 and .75 and then g4 would be g3 with that logic. Seeing as G2 don't even have a cartoon.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: brighteyes on July 09, 2014, 03:09:48 AM
I love when new fans try to redefine aspects of previous gens rather than, you know, taking a few minutes to actually learn about it.  Seriously how long does it take to read the Wiki article on MLP Tales?  It is G1, not G1.5, G2, G1.25 or G 1 and 1/4.  This is one of my biggest peeves.  I watched MLP Tales when I was a kid and someone tries to tell me now it suddenly represents a whole new generation because its animation style is different.  Oh rly?  What about Escape from Midnight Castle vs. later MLP Friends?  Pretty different animation style, though similar content. 

FIM is the FIRST generation of toys that is defined by the show rather than the show being defined by the toys.  In G2 they didn't even have a show, the toys stood on their own.  G1 had shows and specials that promoted where they toy line was moving and G3 had just a series of specials to promote the toy lines.  G4 has been more defined by FIM than other generations to the point that toy releases are changed to fit the show- the pink Celestia being released eventually as white.  But even FIM is not exempt from toys driving the show as in in the case of the Equestria Girls.  I'm sure Hasbro decided they wanted to release MLP dolls and told the writers to make a movie that introduced them.  So I am so tired of people coming at previous gens from an FIM perspective and trying to make the shows define the older gens.  It is such a backwards way to approach them and absolutely does not make sense.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 09, 2014, 03:38:54 AM
Technically Tales was meant to drive the coming year's toys rather than promote toys already released.

I've seen my fair share of "Tales is G2" posts on other sites.  There are some where even after I correct them they insist of continuing because they go by the shows.

Tales was shown alongside repeats of My Little Pony and Friends for crying out loud.  Even going by the shows it's G1.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Dragonflitter on July 09, 2014, 06:44:04 AM
While I understand and agree that Tales is G1 and not anything else, I also understand that people coming into the fandom would be confused. After all, they probably haven't even see any Tales toys, since they're not common (even if they know something about G1 toys they might never see a Tales toy).

When I first started collecting MLP's over a decade ago, I remember coming into the fandom myself and being confused about Tales. The cartoon really is a completely different world than the one we see in My Little Pony And Friends... a different universe even! And I remember at the time I had wished there was a way of telling the Tales ponies apart from the other worlds, a category label, like we have for the different Gens.

It's true they definitely are G1, and also true that it can be annoying when we have a set structure ("Gen" = a line of toys, not a cartoon) that is being ignored by newer members of the fandom, but I can understand why someone might choose to call Tales G1.5.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on July 09, 2014, 07:00:35 AM
At least it's less annoying than people claiming Tales is "G2."  But yeah--I feel ya!
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Carrehz on July 09, 2014, 07:26:11 AM
Ugh, this annoys me too -_-; I wish they'd stop trying to change long established things (if that makes sense). I prefer "G1.5" to calling it "G2", but still.. I don't see what's wrong with just calling it "Tales". -shrug-
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: brighteyes on July 09, 2014, 07:34:56 AM
The problem I have is that instead of being confused and taking five minutes to find more information about it, they just assume that Tales is G2 or G1.5 or whatever.  There is a wealth of information out there on every subject.  It doesn't take much effort to find it.  There's nothing wrong with not knowing something, no one knows everything.  It's not taking the time to learn and jumping to conclusions that annoys me.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Malicieuse on July 09, 2014, 08:22:46 AM
The problem I have is that instead of being confused and taking five minutes to find more information about it, they just assume that Tales is G2 or G1.5 or whatever.  There is a wealth of information out there on every subject.  It doesn't take much effort to find it.  There's nothing wrong with not knowing something, no one knows everything.  It's not taking the time to learn and jumping to conclusions that annoys me.

This is why i was so annoyed when even the brony documentary couldn't get it right. It showed they had done no research what so ever on previous gens. (Not to mention it resulting in more people thinking that Tales is G2.)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on July 09, 2014, 09:20:59 AM
Oh I think I know what group you are talking about. I think on of my drawings was asked to be posted there... Yep found it... if it's the same mlp group on DA it started 2 years ago.. so about mid-way through the G4 era so far. I didn't take much notice in it till now though
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: An 80s Pony on July 09, 2014, 09:37:45 AM
Who cares?
It's a spin-off of My Little Pony n' Friends with an entirely different cast and setting, so I wouldn't blame them for calling it "G1.5".
A lot of people have been doing this within the community and it isn't much of problem/big deal; I don't understand how this can get some people ticked-off.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Aquatic Neon on July 09, 2014, 10:13:29 AM
I think its for the fact that the style of the show is so different from G1. Meaning G1 was filled with adventure, sea ponies, villains, flutter ponies, etc. While tales was earth ponies living like humans. Yes maybe the art style was similar but the fact that the show is completely different is why people like to separate the two in fact growing up and for the longest time I thought Tales was G2s show because when I watched Tales on the Disney channel the G2 ponies were in the stores, and I thought I just never saw the main ponies, I had the white pony that looked a lot like Sweetheart though even though now I know she isn't.

Anyways not until really I started coming on here did I realize that people insist it is G1, I saw the G1 toys released for the show only in Europe though not around here. I think part of the problem is G2 never had a show so it's easy to say tales is G2 for some because its so different than G1. I love G1 so much more than Tales so it hurts to say they are the same thing. I actually prefer calling it G1.5 because of the huge differences in the plotline. I don't get the problem. (It's still saying it's G1 which is correct but specifying its the second half of G1.)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sunset on July 09, 2014, 10:20:17 AM
If calling it G1.5 helps to keep people from confusing it with G2 then I'm fine with that.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Ackryllis on July 09, 2014, 10:32:25 AM
Calling it G1.5 or Tales is so much better than g2. People who call it g2 annoy me so much. I once saw a drawing showing somebodys oc in all the gens except g2 was Tails. It ticked me off so badly since I love g2 boxart and stuff. Trying to correct resulted in the drawer getting angry at me and saying she goes by the animations.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on July 09, 2014, 11:33:27 AM
I think its for the fact that the style of the show is so different from G1. Meaning G1 was filled with adventure, sea ponies, villains, flutter ponies, etc. While tales was earth ponies living like humans. Yes maybe the art style was similar but the fact that the show is completely different is why people like to separate the two in fact growing up and for the longest time I thought Tales was G2s show because when I watched Tales on the Disney channel the G2 ponies were in the stores, and I thought I just never saw the main ponies, I had the white pony that looked a lot like Sweetheart though even though now I know she isn't.

The generations go by style of toy, not by the art style of the shows.

If the generations were arranged by show, the actual G2 ponies (Ivy, Hip Holly, etc) wouldn't have a generation at all, since they never had a show.

I mean, the gens are slightly connected to the shows in the sense that "these are the exact same characters in the same setting" was one of the reasons we have a G3.5, instead of making those ponies G4.  (ALTHOUGH there were some people pushing to count them as G4 at the time, and others who argued they should simply be G3.)

You have to look at it from a collector's POV . . . Here we are buying ponies at thrift shops, selling our extras . . . It's easiest if we can quickly differentiate these two ponies:

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Because for one thing not everyone will want both kinds.  If you say "I have a G3.5 Pinkie Pie for sale", everyone will instantly know the style of toy you're talking about.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Elisto on July 09, 2014, 11:47:57 AM
A lot of people have been doing this within the community and it isn't much of problem/big deal; I don't understand how this can get some people ticked-off.
Anyways not until really I started coming on here did I realize that people insist it is G1
"Insisted"? Long time communities like this aren't just "insisting" that it's G1; they defined the generation numbers! That's why people get upset when treated as if all their time and consideration is now irrelevant.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 09, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
Bronies think they're the center of the pony universe right now.  You should see a thread on a brony forum about how they're the reason Friendship is Magic is still going.  Therefore their say on anything pony is the most important.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: hathorcat on July 09, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
All of everything LadyMoondancer said x 1000. This is such a bug bear for me.

All those people have been interested in MLP and collecting MLP longer than...well...2 years, have been referring to things in a certain way for a pretty long time. Its not being snotty or unreasonable to politely state its annoying when people who clearly dont have enough of an interest in something to research or learn its history start reclassifying to suit their own wishes.

Personally I just think its a touch rude. Would anyone here enter any other collecting community or fandom and say "hey...I know you guys have been doing this for the last couple of decades but I am going to change this...oh yeah and if anyone says I am wrong...well...tough noogies to you"?

Unfortunately as others have mentioned, the rise of G4 has brought with it some kind of mass amnesia...forgetting My Little Pony is a TOY line with a "cartoon advert". 
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: June on July 09, 2014, 01:49:02 PM
Meh, they are just a bunch of hair splitters with nothing better to do than make up a scientific classification for toys.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Aquatic Neon on July 09, 2014, 01:54:30 PM
It comes down to this basically tales is different than G1 MLP and friends, same toy line different TV show, call it what you want to call it. G1, G1.5 is fine G2 is incorrect.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: hathorcat on July 09, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Why is it so hard to accept that My Little Pony is not about the show...that it is just a big advert? Its like changing the generations depending on the style of 30 second commercials or the packaging of the boxes.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Aquatic Neon on July 09, 2014, 01:59:39 PM
Yea it gets messy when you are talking about the show or the toys, I understand the shows are made to sell the toys, but when referring to the Tales TV SHOW its not the same as the G1 TV show.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: hathorcat on July 09, 2014, 02:05:52 PM
Interestingly it hasnt been messy from about 1997 to 2010...it just got messy from 2010 onwards curiously enough.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: spottedslug on July 09, 2014, 02:09:18 PM
Yeah, the generations have almost nothing to even do with the shows. It refers to the style of mold the TOYS are made in. The shows happen to be about the toys.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sapphire-Light on July 09, 2014, 02:09:41 PM
Calling it G2 or G1.5 would be like saying season 3 of the original G1 TF series is G2  :huh: because the plot and theme  is different

I know is in the same show but Hasbro did ment to kill Optimus for good an replace him wit Hot Rod/ Rodimus

If you compare S3 wit the two previous season, S3 is futuristic, deeper plot and characters and even dark / grim, mush serius  tone instead of "lets punch the badguys and save the day" followed by "I will be back by Megatron" theme of S1 and S2
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Aquatic Neon on July 09, 2014, 02:14:04 PM
Well G3 and G3.5 are almost the exact same thing, same characters, same show basically, just different art style and toys.

While Tales vs. G1 are completely different yes similar art style, same toys, but totally different shows, different characters, different plot line, and next to zero fantasy, the ponies are basically human.

I don't see the harm in calling the TV show of MLP Tales G1.5, thats my opinion.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: spottedslug on July 09, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
Again, the generation refers only to the mold of the toys. It doesn't refer to related shows.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Aquatic Neon on July 09, 2014, 02:19:56 PM
Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Elisto on July 09, 2014, 02:20:20 PM
Aquatic Neon, it's not about the shows, and never has been. The shows mostly have their own names, so if you want to distinguish between them, it's not that hard. The toys do not, nor do they all correlate to a show, so generation numbers matter.

If you took an interest in anything else, wouldn't you learn to the established terminology? Why is this any different?
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Aquatic Neon on July 09, 2014, 02:21:22 PM
I think its best to just agree to disagree I get your guys points but Tales is different than MLP and Friends thats all I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Elisto on July 09, 2014, 02:22:58 PM
We're aware the shows are different. That should be obvious. It's also irrelevant.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: kaoskat on July 09, 2014, 02:23:32 PM
Again, generations don't go by the shows, they go by the toys. Tales has been G1 for 20 years. Why would we change things now? No one had problems understanding it before. We don't base generation names on new commercials. And the shows are just 30 minute commercials.

G3 and G3.5 toys are completely different. Toys decide the generation.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: brighteyes on July 09, 2014, 03:06:43 PM
Who cares?
It's a spin-off of My Little Pony n' Friends with an entirely different cast and setting, so I wouldn't blame them for calling it "G1.5".
A lot of people have been doing this within the community and it isn't much of problem/big deal; I don't understand how this can get some people ticked-off.

Who cares?  Are you serious?  People who have been a part of the MLP Collecting community, watched the show since they were little and collecting since the 1980's care.  That a bunch of new collectors decide to redefine the toy line according to shows, regardless of the precedence in the collecting community or the fact that some generations don't even have shows, is bound to be a little irritating to people who have been collecting for 15+ years. 

Hey everyone, lets start calling G1 Cotton Candy Pinkie Pie because that would make more sense because there's a G3, G3.5 and G4 Pinkie Pie.  This is basically like what calling MLP Tales anything other than G1 is.  It makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: prancingstag on July 09, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
I don't understand the mentality of humanised pony behaviour being somehow different from early G1.

Spoiler
In Year 2 the adult ponies had Pony Wear which basically consisted of human clothing complete with sun hats, rollerskates and sweat bands. Baby ponies wore nappies, drank milk from bottles and slept in beds in a nursery right from Year 3. By Year 4, the ponies had a stereo and TV in the living room, were making toast in the kitchen and eating out of the refrigerator at Paradise Estate, and the babies had a dance school. Year 5 saw Scoops running an ice cream sweet shop and Big Brother ponies as football and baseball players, train and truck drivers and sailors. Heck, just look at the accessories that came with the Slumber Party Gift Pack (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Slumber_Party_Gift_Pack): a game like Twister, television set, telephone, records, TEEN MAGAZINE.

Satin n Lace and Tux n Tails were first released in Year 6 complete with veil, dress, diamond ring, shoes, bow tie, etc. and the marriage theme continued in Year 8 with Pony Bride and Year 10 with Bridal Beauty. Year 7 Dance n Prance ponies had walkman, records and headphones for symbols, and there were playsets that consisted of a human-like bed, bathtub and baby's crib. Year 8 had Sweetsteps Ballerina ponies in their leotards and laced up shoes, and Prom Queen SHS ponies which had opera gloves and a violin for symbols. Also probably the most humanised pony in the world: Baby Chuck E Cheese (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Chuck_E_Cheese_Pony). Year 9 Rockin Beats came with electric guitar brushes, and Good Weather took a boom box on her seaside holiday. Year 10 had the kitchen playset, complete with pots and pans, cookie cutters and a set of tongs that are clearly designed for human hands.

Saying that Tales in Year 11 being "humanised" makes it somehow different or special just speaks to a vast ignorance of the fact that ponies have always been very tied in to the human world and pop culture trends, regardless of the initial high fantasy show style (which only went up till Year 6, leaving nearly five years of humanised ponies as buffer before Tales visually expressed the current themes of the toyline). The change just seems like natural progression to me and I never got the need to distinguish it as something separate or abnormal out of the regular pony line.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: brighteyes on July 09, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.

But this makes no sense because there are G1 style toys for MLP Tales.  The toys are absolutely the same as all the other G1 toys.  To call Tales anything other than G1 is confusing.  Then people will wonder why Tales Bright Eyes looks like other G1 when Tales is "G1.5."  Maybe it clears up some *possible* confusion about the show, but it adds tons of confusion about the toys.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Aquatic Neon on July 09, 2014, 03:12:23 PM
Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.

But this makes no sense because there are G1 style toys for MLP Tales.  The toys are absolutely the same as all the other G1 toys.  To call Tales anything other than G1 is confusing.  Then people will wonder why Tales Bright Eyes looks like other G1 when Tales is "G1.5."  Maybe it clears up some *possible* confusion about the show, but it adds tons of confusion about the toys.

I'm not referring to the toys, its whatever though I'm over arguing my point, and to clarify I'm not a "new collector" I have been watching and played with ponies when i was a kid so over 20 years. I understand the toys are all G1 and Tales is late G1, I just don't like MLP and Friends grouped with Tales.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: brighteyes on July 09, 2014, 03:14:56 PM
Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.

But this makes no sense because there are G1 style toys for MLP Tales.  The toys are absolutely the same as all the other G1 toys.  To call Tales anything other than G1 is confusing.  Then people will wonder why Tales Bright Eyes looks like other G1 when Tales is "G1.5."  Maybe it clears up some *possible* confusion about the show, but it adds tons of confusion about the toys.

I'm not referring to the toys, its whatever though I'm over arguing my point, and to clarify I'm not a "new collector" I have been watching and played with ponies when i was a kid so over 20 years. I understand the toys are all G1 and Tales is late G1, I just don't like MLP and Friends grouped with Tales.

That's fine and you can have that opinion.  However, to call Tales anything other than G1 would be confusing from a standpoint of toy collectors as has been pointed out numerous times in this thread.  The generation has always been and always will be defined by the toy and not the show. 
Title: Re: \"G1.5\" ...?
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on July 09, 2014, 03:50:09 PM
The below is a Copy and paste from my tumblr (some parts of it are not in reference to this thread so anyone taking offense at anything is taking the copy and paste out of context when I wrote this. I'm posting it for dates/years.)

G2 MLP did not have a cartoon. If you look into the history of MLP, you will understand why… G2 is defined as the change in the toy line itself. My Little Pony tales, which a lot of bronies seem to identify as G2 is actually in the same style as G1, the toys and animation are pretty much the same the only difference is the setting the ponies live in inside the cartoon is different.

G2 the toy line is a direct and very obvious change in the whole toy and art style for MLP. That is why it is called G2. There are other reasons G2 is called G2, because previous to that there was never a generation tag associated with MLP. There are a couple of other reasons why the toy line defines MLP and I may get into those in a later post.

 

For your actual history lesson:

MY Little Pony franchise consists of:

1981 - Hasbro first production of a MLP, large pony called My Pretty Pony

1982 thru 1995 Hasbro G1 toy production.

 1984 - the first TV special was created - aka “Rescue at Midnight Castle”/”Firefly’s Adventure”

1985 - second TV special was created - Escape from Catrina

1986 - My Little Pony the Movie

1986-1987 - My Little Pony TV series

1992 - My little Pony Tales TV series

As you can see, G1 production continued from 1982 thru 1995 - Tales was created in 1992, still during and within the Generation 1 timeline, toy and animation are the same.

Generation 2 MLP didn’t have a cartoon, it’s production started in 1997 and was a clear defined difference from what was produced previously. The art style and toys were completely different.

People that know very little of MLP history and some who clearly hate or dislike previous generations seem to be going by the animation when they call Tales G2, but EVEN if you go by the animation the art style is the same and the toys are exactly the same as G1.

Generation 3 started in 2003 - again, animation and toy were different from what came before.

People can deny it, argue it, but frankly if you look at the actual facts, time, dates and production of animation and toy it’s obviously that Tales is part of G1

Post Merge: July 09, 2014, 03:54:10 PM

Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.

But this makes no sense because there are G1 style toys for MLP Tales.  The toys are absolutely the same as all the other G1 toys.  To call Tales anything other than G1 is confusing.  Then people will wonder why Tales Bright Eyes looks like other G1 when Tales is "G1.5."  Maybe it clears up some *possible* confusion about the show, but it adds tons of confusion about the toys.

I'm not referring to the toys, its whatever though I'm over arguing my point, and to clarify I'm not a "new collector" I have been watching and played with ponies when i was a kid so over 20 years. I understand the toys are all G1 and Tales is late G1, I just don't like MLP and Friends grouped with Tales.

You can argue you don't like it grouped but you are arguing with actual history and years when they were produced. You're not arguing with us, you're arguing with actual time.

Not to mention if you're ONLY talking about the cartoon and not the toy at all there is no need to use the generation title since they already have different names...one is MLP&Friends the other is Tales.

The whole generation thing came into being when newbies to MLP didn't know the difference in ponies like Sundance and Morning Glory because hasbro reused names on the G2 toys.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Galactica on July 09, 2014, 04:50:32 PM
That's funny-  I hadn't seen G1.5 before-  I too would have guessed that maybe they meant the teen looking ponies or something near the end of G1.

It doesn't make sense to base the generation on the show-  the show is just a lengthy commercial.  So at some point for G1, the storyline of the commercial changed.   

It just so happened that when G3, 3.5 and 4 toys were made, there was no show on so shows were created to advertise for the new pony product, so shows were created, and they did look more like the products that were being sold. However, with this kind of show, the show is always just an add, regardless of how good it is.

 
Title: Re: &quot;G1.5&quot; ...?
Post by: flyawayraven on July 09, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
That's funny-  I hadn't seen G1.5 before-  I too would have guessed that maybe they meant the teen looking ponies or something near the end of G1.

It doesn't make sense to base the generation on the show-  the show is just a lengthy commercial.  So at some point for G1, the storyline of the commercial changed.   

It just so happened that when G3, 3.5 and 4 toys were made, there was no show on so shows were created to advertise for the new pony product, so shows were created, and they did look more like the products that were being sold. However, with this kind of show, the show is always just an add, regardless of how good it is.
Exactly.

It's an incredibly recent trend for children's toys to NOT have cartoons, which serve the purpose of being commercials to buy more toys. Hasbro was rather transparent with that goal when the G1 cartoons came out. Each new playset and series had an episode devoted to it. Heck, Paradise Estate gets a massive push in the G1 movie!

And every moderately successful toyline in the 80s did this. He-man, Care Bears, Transformers, Jem, Rainbow Brite, GI Joe, they all were established as toys for years and then became toys.

I do agree that yes it is more than a bit rude to ignore earlier MLP fans and collectors guidelines and just steamroll over them. That's been my axe to grind over a lot of bronies treatment to long time fans and collectors.

I ultimately don't mind the disagreements but the full on rudeness and disregard is unnecessary and, frankly, hurtful.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on July 09, 2014, 05:56:03 PM
Aquatic Neon, it's true that MLP Tales is very different from MLP 'n Friends and maybe in its own universe, or the far future, or something.

But G1 is still a toy term.  If you said "MLP 'n Friends is way different from MLP Tales", everyone would be nodding.  But even though they are different universes, they are still all G1.  Like, Posey and Melody are literally in the exact same mold.

Heck, even in the Transformers fandom (which is where G1/G2 terms originated), the "G2 show" was not the reason for the two terms.  In fact, the "G2 show" consisted of reruns of the G1 Transformers show!  The only difference was they slapped a CGI opening on it!

If we're getting nitpicky, in the UK comic books, Majesty's fantasy world and the "modern" Tales world are clearly in the same universe.

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Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on July 09, 2014, 06:21:17 PM


If we're getting nitpicky, in the UK comic books, Majesty's fantasy world and the "modern" Tales world are clearly in the same universe.

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The first picture reminds me of the Slumber Party play set and paradise estate.

The drawings of the ponies in those are not very different from any other G1 pony except for the background and themes going on but then again it's not different really, especially considering the stuff associated with G1 even on the MLP&Friends series, like the episode Bright Lights. Knight Shade acts and behaves a bit differently, more like ponies from the Tales series. I could almost imagine that the town MLPtales takes place in could easily fit into the same universe as MLP&Friends. It's just in a different part of the world, more city, less country.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 09, 2014, 06:22:46 PM
I was going to bring up that the comic ran all the way to 1993 and included stories about the Tales ponies.

I'm a mostly show fan.  However, I understand My Little Pony is a toy brand first with the media being adverts for it.  Therefore generations are determined by molds and not series.  They could have made five series with vastly different settings from 1982 to 1995 and the toys they advertise would have still been G1.  (Now wishes there had been a sci-fi series of ponies in space somewhere in there.)

Tales is part of G1 period.  It's not G2, it's not G1.5.  Simply accept your wrong and learn about the brand you supposedly love so much.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Carrehz on July 09, 2014, 07:44:41 PM
All of everything LadyMoondancer said x 1000. This is such a bug bear for me.

All those people have been interested in MLP and collecting MLP longer than...well...2 years, have been referring to things in a certain way for a pretty long time. Its not being snotty or unreasonable to politely state its annoying when people who clearly dont have enough of an interest in something to research or learn its history start reclassifying to suit their own wishes.

Personally I just think its a touch rude. Would anyone here enter any other collecting community or fandom and say "hey...I know you guys have been doing this for the last couple of decades but I am going to change this...oh yeah and if anyone says I am wrong...well...tough noogies to you"?

Unfortunately as others have mentioned, the rise of G4 has brought with it some kind of mass amnesia...forgetting My Little Pony is a TOY line with a "cartoon advert".

THIS. If Equestria Girls can be referred to as simply "Equestria Girls" and not "G4.5" or what have you, why does Tales need a different name? :/
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sapphire-Light on July 09, 2014, 08:56:30 PM

THIS. If Equestria Girls can be referred to as simply "Equestria Girls" and not "G4.5" or what have you, why does Tales need a different name? :/

Agree about EQG , they toys are a LOt differet wit all seen in MLP before anyways , no hooves , no tails, no hocks and THEY HAVE TEETH lol  :rofl:

Aquatic Neon, it's true that MLP Tales is very different from MLP 'n Friends and maybe in its own universe, or the far future, or something.

But G1 is still a toy term.  If you said "MLP 'n Friends is way different from MLP Tales", everyone would be nodding.  But even though they are different universes, they are still all G1.  Like, Posey and Melody are literally in the exact same mold.

Heck, even in the Transformers fandom (which is where G1/G2 terms originated), the "G2 show" was not the reason for the two terms.  In fact, the "G2 show" consisted of reruns of the G1 Transformers show!  The only difference was they slapped a CGI opening on it!

If we're getting nitpicky, in the UK comic books, Majesty's fantasy world and the "modern" Tales world are clearly in the same universe.

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Love it, are there more pages of the comic?    :)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: scarletjul on July 09, 2014, 09:15:09 PM
Aquatic Neon, it's true that MLP Tales is very different from MLP 'n Friends and maybe in its own universe, or the far future, or something.

But G1 is still a toy term.  If you said "MLP 'n Friends is way different from MLP Tales", everyone would be nodding.  But even though they are different universes, they are still all G1.  Like, Posey and Melody are literally in the exact same mold.

Heck, even in the Transformers fandom (which is where G1/G2 terms originated), the "G2 show" was not the reason for the two terms.  In fact, the "G2 show" consisted of reruns of the G1 Transformers show!  The only difference was they slapped a CGI opening on it!

If we're getting nitpicky, in the UK comic books, Majesty's fantasy world and the "modern" Tales world are clearly in the same universe.

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Oh, that comic is neat!  :)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Beldarna on July 10, 2014, 02:37:41 AM
I find it so rude and hurtful that people of the last couple of years would come and redefine what has been established within the collectioncommunity for almost 20 years. Have the word 'research" gone out the window?
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 04:01:15 AM
As I said bronies think they're the best thing to happen to My Little Pony.  They're patting themselves on the back for making it so popular.  They have an outrageous sense of entitlement.  When Hasbro named the pony they had been calling Lyra Heartstrings, the bronies raise a stink until they made it a compound name.  There was the issue of you know who that they considered a personal attack on them.  Then when she returned with no voice they complained Hasbro was chickening out.  They rage against every whiff of change.  They figure the brand should revolve around them and probably think the whole community should do the same (some even think they're the whole community).  If they don't want to bother to do their research or realize it's a toy brand with a show and not the other way around (they particularly rage about that) it's not a problem with them but other people.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Stormness_1 on July 10, 2014, 04:09:28 AM
I really don't get some of the fans of FiM sometimes - They feel a deep need to classify the shows as G1-G3.5, and yet, their favourite show isn't 'G4', it's 'FiM'? Whaaa? I'm also loving the Equestria girls argument. Why hasn't EQG been given a number if numbering the media is so important?  Is it G4.5? FiM 0.5? No, it's Equestria Girls, Just like we had Dream Beauties, except EQG has a couple of movies. Even the tie-ins are similar is you compare it to Tales:

My Little Pony n' Friends ----> My Little Pony Tales
My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic -----> My Little Pony Equestria Girls

The shows are both very different, yet unarguably part of the same universes. G1 has the rockin beats and family pony references, G4 has the characters and 'portal'. It's the same deal. If Tales is G1.5, then EQG is G4.5.

Mind you, that's how we would have it if this wasn't already settled back in 1997. The generation system was assigned when the G2 toyline came out, and then, 17 years ago, the community as a whole made the universal distinction between G1 and G2 TOYS. Tales was already out there, and if it was the intention of the collecting community to divide generations by media, then it would have been done back then.

If anyone here wants to sell their G1.5 Bright Eyes, I'm not going to be interested, I'm looking for a G1 one!
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 04:21:56 AM
There are actually two G1 Bright Eyes.  There's the Twinkle Eyes Bright Eyes and the Tales Bright Eyes.  Though, two Twilights were released while the original cartoon was being made and both made it on screen.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: mul-ta on July 10, 2014, 05:17:52 AM
I wonder what (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9J2vF3Q3o8) these very (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPVxkkzFLFE) first commercials (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdubMVwe0Y) should be called? G0.5? (And if that is the case, where does My Pretty Pony stand?) :rolleyes:

*sidles out of thread*
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Cool.Breeze on July 10, 2014, 05:31:58 AM
I wonder what (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9J2vF3Q3o8) these very (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPVxkkzFLFE) first commercials (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdubMVwe0Y) should be called? G0.5? (And if that is the case, where does My Pretty Pony stand?) :rolleyes:

*sidles out of thread*

They would be called G1, just look at the style of the /TOY/- not the cartoon characters. As for My Pretty Pony they were the debut before My Little Pony became a thing, so I'm not sure they actually fall into a gen so much as stand as a predecessor (but if someone knows for sure, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong!)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Dragonflitter on July 10, 2014, 05:57:37 AM
The shows mostly have their own names, so if you want to distinguish between them, it's not that hard. The toys do not, nor do they all correlate to a show, so generation numbers matter.

This is a good point I didn't consider before! The entire purpose of the labels "G1", "G2", etc. only exists so collectors can tell different toys apart and the approx. time the toy was made. Back in the 80's of course we didn't refer to the ponies as G1 because we had no need to, there was no other MLP's to compare them to. The labels were created to tell the different toy lines apart.

This wasn't such a big issue back before 2003. Up until that point, the only two cartoons that existed both belonged in the same era/toy line. With the introduction of the animated shorts for the G3 line, I saw a lot of collectors referring to "the old cartoons" versus "the new cartoons." Again, simple labels designed to tell apart the different series.

Now we have four different cartoon series and all of them have unique aspects and they all existed at different times (just like the toy line). It's starting to get confusing, I think, for people just getting into the fandom (or for people who are only interested in certain parts of the fandom and not all generations). I think the issue that is arising is that we DON'T have short, simple, easy labels for the different cartoon gens the way we do for the toy lines. So people just saw labels made up for the toy line and took them to apply to the shows, even though that isn't what the labels were intended for.

The Friendship is Magic cartoon very easily simplifies to "FiM." "MLP&Friends" is about the simplest I can make the original series, while "Tales" works well for the second series. But the G3 animation doesn't really have a neat little label (unless we go with "G3 cartoons"), and NONE of them have a set of labels that works together the way G1/G2/G3/etc. do.

I think the biggest issue that has been revealed to me in this thread is that people out there DO want a simple label system so they can easily identify and talk about the four cartoon series in context, and it is just as obvious that using the already-established labels created for the toy lines is not going to cut it.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on July 10, 2014, 07:10:53 AM
To  Al-1701: While I agree with most of what you said, despite being a brony (I actually tried to talk them out of this, but I failed due to limitations* - which is annoying because the fandom may not have gone the way it's gone if I had been more vocal) it is unfair to say that the "what generation is Tales?" thing is purely down to them, as I am sure I have seen older fans make the same mistake, not as much, but they have.

I have gotten into conversations with people who insist that Tales is G2, and I am sure some of them portrayed evidence that they had watched it as children. 

I agree that it is mostly bronies getting it wrong (and I agree that many of them are very ignorant, but can sill learn) but I think what makes us forget that some long term fans/non-bronies have gotten it wrong as well is that the majority of bronies favor the shows to the toys, and the majority of long term fans are avid collectors (I know most of the people here are) so we forget that the odd long term fan only watched the shows and didn't follow the toyline, and could get it wrong as well.

I really don't get some of the fans of FiM sometimes - They feel a deep need to classify the shows as G1-G3.5, and yet, their favourite show isn't 'G4', it's 'FiM'? Whaaa? I'm also loving the Equestria girls argument. Why hasn't EQG been given a number if numbering the media is so important?  Is it G4.5? FiM 0.5? No, it's Equestria Girls, Just like we had Dream Beauties, except EQG has a couple of movies. Even the tie-ins are similar is you compare it to Tales:
We refer to it as "G4" as well, it's just easy to alternate between the two.  In fact, I have seen the fandom use "G4" far more than "FIM", especially when talking about the ponies themselves.

Also the numbering (as I think Dragonflitter is saying, sorry if I've missread it) didn't start with the "bronies" (term for G4 fans, but can be extended), but has been going for a while, and used by and for collectors.  Also, I think the thing about Equestria Girls not being numbered is because it is viewed as part of G4 by the majority of them.  My guess would be that it directly uses the characters as they are, where as Tales is a completely new show, with a new storyline, and G3.5 is closer to being a spin-off, but the ponies used act completely different in G3.5 than they do in G3.

I admit it's hypocritical, but if it helps I don't use the term 1.5 - I will for the most part refer to the Tales ponies as "G1 Ponies", which is what they are, but I will specify I am talking about "Tales" when I am talking about the show if I need to.


* The easiest way for me to be vocal towards other bronies at the time was to write articles on the MLP:FIM Wikia, but my computer made it hard to do that, as I couldn't edit them, so I had to resort to respoding to things, and in time even that got harder to do on my computer. 
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 08:56:18 AM
I think bronies took it from an honest mistake for the most part to "Just respect my opinion."

Also, bronies haven shown an unwillingness to get their facts straight.  I remember when It Ain't Easy Being Breezies aired and analyst after analyst claimed it was because Hasbro was going to sell breezy versions of the Mane 6.  I face palmed as I had been keeping track of what was actually being released this year which didn't include Mane 6 breezies.  It's not that hard to look this stuff up.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: brightberry on July 10, 2014, 09:18:55 AM
I think I can understand where the G1.5 idea is coming from.  I was a kid in the 80s, collected ponies and watched the shows.  "Old My Little Pony" to me was Rescue at Midnight Castle and Escape from Catrina.  New was My Little Pony and Friends and My Little Pony the Movie.  They were in different categories to me just because they were getting to be more gimmicky and had a new theme song in their commercials. Same with Dream Beauties... I didn't consider them to be a part of the My Little Pony of old.  I remember a friend and I were in a toy store and she was admiring how they looked so much better than the old ponies and I was feeling   :cry: :cry: :cry: "I miss the chunkier look". 

But the appearance of the G2 toys reset that thinking. 
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on July 10, 2014, 09:22:50 AM
Also, bronies haven shown an unwillingness to get their facts straight. 
I whole heartedly agree with you on this one.  The fact that many of them still don't realize how much of what makes FIM (speaking about the show) so good is clearly inspired from the previous shows prooves this to no end.  Despite being one, I could probably list a lot of times when bronies got things wrong about MLP - including the one that they follow.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Shaiyeh on July 10, 2014, 09:52:26 AM
...which is why it's a bit wrong to generalize and say bronies as a whole. There are of course exceptions, WHICH WE ALL NEED TO REMEMBER, but many seem to just... like you guys say. I don't have to repeat it.

And I get now where you guys are coming from that prefer g1.5 for Tales, and I agree that 1.5 would be better than prople incorrectly labelling Tales as g2.
However, I'm one of the boring "oldie moldies" that still thinks it's, well, rude, and get ticked off by it. if it needs another label than G1, then yes, use "Tales".

Slightly OT - you guys who also hang out on Brony forums - is there anyone who neglects the fact that Tirek was originally a G1 villain? *sudden curiosity*
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Dragonflitter on July 10, 2014, 11:35:12 AM
Slightly OT - you guys who also hang out on Brony forums - is there anyone who neglects the fact that Tirek was originally a G1 villain? *sudden curiosity*


From what I have seen, many FiM fans that are discussing those episodes in forums do remark that Tirek was from the old cartoons. :)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: mul-ta on July 10, 2014, 12:54:49 PM
I wonder what (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9J2vF3Q3o8) these very (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPVxkkzFLFE) first commercials (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdubMVwe0Y) should be called? G0.5? (And if that is the case, where does My Pretty Pony stand?) :rolleyes:

*sidles out of thread*

They would be called G1, just look at the style of the /TOY/- not the cartoon characters. As for My Pretty Pony they were the debut before My Little Pony became a thing, so I'm not sure they actually fall into a gen so much as stand as a predecessor (but if someone knows for sure, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong!)

Sadly, the irony of my question seems to have been wasted  :relaxed:
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on July 10, 2014, 01:50:34 PM
Slightly OT - you guys who also hang out on Brony forums - is there anyone who neglects the fact that Tirek was originally a G1 villain? *sudden curiosity*


From what I have seen, many FiM fans that are discussing those episodes in forums do remark that Tirek was from the old cartoons. :)
I wonder if they know that FIM has several call backs to the previous generations, as early as season 1?
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 02:00:11 PM
For the most part many bronies act like Faust disliked the original cartoon.  I know on FiM's wikipedia page that have her describing girls shows of the time being something like nothing but tea parties and the main characters winning through crying and sharing.  My jaw dropped upon reading this because it didn't describe either of Sunbow's shows for girls (MLP and Jem) at all.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on July 10, 2014, 02:08:59 PM
For the most part many bronies act like Faust disliked the original cartoon.
Well, they couldn't be more wrong.  They could try, but they would not be successful.

 
I know on FiM's wikipedia page that have her describing girls shows of the time being something like nothing but tea parties and the main characters winning through crying and sharing.  My jaw dropped upon reading this because it didn't describe either of Sunbow's shows for girls (MLP and Jem) at all.
That's why she liked MLP, because it stood out from the other shows, and didn't do things like this (I don't know what her view on Jem is). That's the impression I get from it, and the way FIM is just too full of shout-outs to the classics to be made by a hater.

In true brony-fashion they took what someone said at face value, and then ran with it.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sky_Rocket_Sammie on July 10, 2014, 02:38:08 PM
I only learned about Tales and the related toys as an adult. Though I grew up with G1 when it was brand new. Never have I thought that Tales was anything but G1. No G1.3 messing around with things. It irks me when new folks instead of trying to learn something, try to change it. Based on the current MLP (G4) goings on.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sapphire-Light on July 10, 2014, 02:50:42 PM
 I remember at the first years of G4 I came into a  Brony forum and they had a small subforum section called "merchandise" were it said "MLP related merchandise : clothes, toys, candy and other stuff"

So it was clear to me that they thought the toys were a merchandise part of MLP like the toys being the same   in case of Avatar Airbender  show ........instead of the show made to sell the toys  :blink: the show IS the merch one
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on July 10, 2014, 02:54:33 PM
That's why she liked MLP, because it stood out from the other shows, and didn't do things like this (I don't know what her view on Jem is). That's the impression I get from it, and the way FIM is just too full of shout-outs to the classics to be made by a hater.

In true brony-fashion they took what someone said at face value, and then ran with it.

She did not like the MLP cartoon.  I've never seen her say anywhere that she liked the cartoon, and have seen her say several times that she disliked it, that she found it boring, and that she preferred the stories she made up herself as a kid.

Which kind of makes my point about My Little Pony being a toyline with an animated commercial--that someone who thought the cartoon was dumb could still love My Little Pony as a WHOLE enough to devote a lot of time to making a show about it.

The MLP cartoons were such a tiny, tiny part of G1.  It was all about the toys.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 03:03:12 PM
I've seen her say she only saw three episodes of the series and stopped (and if they were the first three episodes of "The End of Flutter Valley" I can't blame her).  She was eleven or twelve by the time the series was coming out and was falling out of the brand in general by the time.  If you notice her childhood ponies only go up to Year 3 for the most part.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sapphire-Light on July 10, 2014, 03:21:53 PM
I've seen her say she only saw three episodes of the series and stopped (and if they were the first three episodes of "The End of Flutter Valley" I can't blame her).  She was eleven or twelve by the time the series was coming out and was falling out of the brand in general by the time.  If you notice her childhood ponies only go up to Year 3 for the most part.

But what about Posey? Fluttershy personality inspiration  is cleary seen in  the episodes  Fugitive Flowers   is were Posey even makes the stare  :what:

According to MLP wiki and Dreamvalley is in the middle of S1, so this makes me think she must had seen at least more than a couple of episodes and take note in pony personalities from them  :)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 03:31:32 PM
Posey was originally released in Year 3 (as was Surprise).  Watchers of the show might know more of the So Soft versions, and she might have had their So Soft versions.  But her pictures of her childhood herd seemed to be mostly Year 3 or earlier.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Navi on July 10, 2014, 03:33:34 PM
Before I read this thread, I didn't even know that people were referring to Tales as G1.5. It's G1! Does everything have to be complicated? :P
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sapphire-Light on July 10, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
Posey was originally released in Year 3 (as was Surprise).  Watchers of the show might know more of the So Soft versions, and she might have had their So Soft versions.  But her pictures of her childhood herd seemed to be mostly Year 3 or earlier.

Yes I agree the evidence :) , however my point was that she could't really hated the show when Fluttershy has the same personality as Posey so she did liked some things from the show even if she has said in the web she hated or didn't watched it , is too mush of a coincidence from that episode (mostly the stare)

When her backcard didn't said anything about the stare http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Posey
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on July 10, 2014, 03:46:07 PM
I find it so rude and hurtful that people of the last couple of years would come and redefine what has been established within the collectioncommunity for almost 20 years. Have the word 'research" gone out the window?

This is why my head hurts so much.  Seriously... there was no reason to "Create Their Own Community".  They were more than welcome to join the more than 20,000 people who already call them selves "My Little Pony Collectors".  We have a vast wealth of information to offer... why it has been mostly disregarded in favor of a fanon-centric view loosely based on a currently-airing television show is beyond me.

I sure appreciate all the newer collectors who have joined the Arena and shared their opinions and love of MLP with us, while learning a TON about their favorite collectible.  We are STILL learning new things all the time about MLP!  I think you're all in great company and I hope you make friendships here because...  wait for it.... Friendship IS Magic!  But only if you reach out and let those people BE your friends.  ;)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Malicieuse on July 10, 2014, 03:47:06 PM
That's why she liked MLP, because it stood out from the other shows, and didn't do things like this (I don't know what her view on Jem is). That's the impression I get from it, and the way FIM is just too full of shout-outs to the classics to be made by a hater.

In true brony-fashion they took what someone said at face value, and then ran with it.

She did not like the MLP cartoon.  I've never seen her say anywhere that she liked the cartoon, and have seen her say several times that she disliked it, that she found it boring, and that she preferred the stories she made up herself as a kid.

Which kind of makes my point about My Little Pony being a toyline with an animated commercial--that someone who thought the cartoon was dumb could still love My Little Pony as a WHOLE enough to devote a lot of time to making a show about it.

The MLP cartoons were such a tiny, tiny part of G1.  It was all about the toys.

Yet she still used Posey and Surprise. I always found that kind of funny.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on July 10, 2014, 03:48:35 PM
Posey is really not much like Fluttershy.  Fluttershy loves animals.  Posey gave a caterpillar a death glare because she thought it was going to eat her flowers.  Fluttershy is shy.  Despite her squeaky voice, Posey is generally willing to say exactly what she thinks.  (For example, "You tried to hurt the Flories and trashed my garden, so it serves you right that we're locking you up.")

Posey never does "the Stare", unless you mean the thing with the caterpillar.  But I mean . . . it was just a mean look.  Most G1 characters have glared at something at one point or another.

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Yet she still used Posey and Surprise. I always found that kind of funny.

I imagine she had the toys of them.

Good point about her toy collection, Al.  Yeah, I remember she had Ember, Sprinkles, and a lot of other Year 2 / Year 3 ponies.  Which means she probably had most of them before the show ever started.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 03:54:31 PM
I actually think Posey and Fluttershy would hate each other if they met.  Bats practically cements this as I could see Posey chanting "Death to the bats."
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on July 10, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
When you think about it, Posey is actually kind of like Poison Ivy from Batman!  This only makes me love her more.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 04:16:56 PM
When you think about it, Posey is actually kind of like Poison Ivy from Batman!  This only makes me love her more.
Now we just need the fan art.

And this thread is so far off the rails I don't even see them anymore.

Uh...calling Tales G1.5 bad.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: lonewolf on July 10, 2014, 04:35:58 PM
Slightly OT - you guys who also hang out on Brony forums - is there anyone who neglects the fact that Tirek was originally a G1 villain? *sudden curiosity*


From what I have seen, many FiM fans that are discussing those episodes in forums do remark that Tirek was from the old cartoons. :)

They even acknowlege Scorpan was a G1 character (I've seen new art of him and Tirek).

I do find it annoying they go by shows instead of toys when it comes to generations.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on July 10, 2014, 04:36:43 PM
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She did not like the MLP cartoon.  I've never seen her say anywhere that she liked the cartoon, and have seen her say several times that she disliked it, that she found it boring, and that she preferred the stories she made up herself as a kid.

Which kind of makes my point about My Little Pony being a toyline with an animated commercial--that someone who thought the cartoon was dumb could still love My Little Pony as a WHOLE enough to devote a lot of time to making a show about it.



I am sure that I have seen her say, or imply that she likes the show, to some extent.  But there is a chance that she may have liked it later on, no offense, but I can remember her saying that she got some inspiration from the show as well as the toys (this includes for her "stories").  She defenitely like the show more than most bronies would want to admit anyway.

All I know is that, someone is throwing tons of shout-outs to classic MLP in FIM, and Lauren is the prime suspect, as they were more frequent in season 1 and 2 when she was running things more.  Though if it turned out that she didn't like the shows, it's pretty credit to her (if it is her doing it) to include all the shout-outs she did if it was for the fans alone, and not her.  That said, I am very sure I saw it somewhere that she likes the show, and it seems a bit too much of a coincidence that some of her original mane six are closer to the show, than they are the toys (and some are closer to the toys, and some the comics - ironically it seems to be only Applejack that changed completely in terms of personality.) She did what I plan to do more of, she took her inspiration from all sides.

That said, I understand what you're saying about MLP being a toyline first, and agree with that.  I began with the shows, so I will always think of them first, but I agree that it's more a toyline, and will always take notice/inspiration from all of them.


And I agree with Sapphire-Light on the Posey thing (Firefly and Surprise were also close to their G1 selves, with changes that I have already explained).

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Posey is really not much like Fluttershy.  Fluttershy loves animals.  Posey gave a caterpillar a death glare because she thought it was going to eat her flowers.  Fluttershy is shy.  Despite her squeaky voice, Posey is generally willing to say exactly what she thinks.  (For example, "You tried to hurt the Flories and trashed my garden, so it serves you right that we're locking you up.")
Lauren chose to make Posey shy because she is shy.  She wanted a character to show children that it's okay to be shy, and that you can learn to still be shy, but not a push-over, because she's had to deal with it herself. 

Fluttershy and Posey are pretty close as they are the kind-hearted and caring ones of their groups.  I am sure that when Lauren planned the show Posey would have been a gardener just like she was in G1, but for some reason it was changed to animals when she became Fluttershy.  I'm actually pleased she did this, as the kind pony being a gardener has already been repeated in G3 (despite the fact that I adore that pony) so it was a nice change to have a pony that cares about animals (though, I may be biased as I find "caring about animals" to be an adorable character trait).

I think that "stare" was inspiration for The Stare myself, it could be a coincidence, but it could also not be.

Also Fluttershy is capable of "saying what she thinks" when push comes to shove (which is also the point of her character) so she comes closer to Posey in those places.  You can find moments when they come close to their G1 selves in all of the mane six (and this time, including Applejack) at times.  I am unsure of Twilight and Sparkler, but the latter is closer to the toyline, and I will check about the former.

Either way, someone has put a lot of pre-G4 shout outs in the Lauren-Era of FIM, and this includes the shows as well.

I am not intending to start a fight, so I will probably end it here, unless I really need to respond (I tend to get overly passionate about things, I'm afraid, but I am trying to be more careful).  I am planning on compyling a list to all of the pre-G4 shout-outs I have seen in FIM, and the majority of them are in the Lauren-Era (and are closer to what they are in the previous gens, barring the G3-ish mane six with G1-ish personalities).

I will do it as it's own post though, there's no need for me to derail this post more than I already have.
 
I actually think Posey and Fluttershy would hate each other if they met.  Bats practically cements this as I could see Posey chanting "Death to the bats."
They'd probably dissagree about it, but I think they'd ultimately see past it.  :)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on July 10, 2014, 06:21:11 PM
Everyone in G1 is "the kind-hearted, caring one of the group", except a few select ponies like Gusty.

Look. This is a picture Lauren Faust posted on Twitter of her childhood ponies.  (Sidenote:  dang girl, nice collection!)

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And what Al-1701 theorized is absolutely correct.  She had Year 1 through Year 3 ponies.  She had non-So-Soft Posey and non-So-Soft Surprise, ponies who were sold before "MLP 'n Friends" ever aired.  ("MLP 'n Friends" was advertising ponies who were sold later, So-Soft Posey and So-Soft Surprise.)  She had personalities for them before "My Little Pony 'n Friends" (which started in Year 4) ever aired . . . unless she just let them sit around for a year without personalities, but most little girls wouldn't do that.

This also explains why she disliked the show--she'd had her own idea of Ponyland in her head for three years and the show didn't match up.

I mean, the show is fine and all that.  But most of these "connections" and "shout outs" are really tenuous, and half of them can be explained away simply by looking at tropes.  "Girl who loves flowers is gentle and quiet" is not exactly uncommon.  So if the show says "Posey is shy" and Faust says "Posey is shy", it doesn't mean Faust got that FROM the show.  It just means that both she and the show writers looked at Posey and thought, "Oh, she has tulips on her butt."

I know we're drifting off-topic and really, I am not trying to pick on you, but I think this kind of illustrates the whole "for bronies it's only about the show" thing.  G1 was about the TOYS.  It is entirely believable to me that Lauren Faust didn't like the cartoon and yet loved My Little Pony, because to a lot of little girls the toys and the show were two ENTIRELY separate things.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 10, 2014, 06:43:50 PM
The only real impact I've seen from the show on the perception of the toys seems to be elevating some of the more standout characters to popular status.  Many Wind Whistler fans I've come across are fans of her because of the show.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: KaibaGirl007 on July 11, 2014, 04:49:44 AM
G1.5 is a new one too me, though I'd much rather have the newer/cartoon fans refer to Tales as that instead of G2 if they aren't going to acknowledge it as G1. However I'm not going to think them (as an individual) disrespectful, rude or take offence from using the term G1.5 unless they have the attitude to match.

Also kind of curious as to why the cartoons aren't referred to as Series, Seasons and Arcs as other shows' fandoms I've been in usually do this.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Dragonflitter on July 11, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
G1.5 is a new one too me, though I'd much rather have the newer/cartoon fans refer to Tales as that instead of G2 if they aren't going to acknowledge it as G1. However I'm not going to think them (as an individual) disrespectful, rude or take offence from using the term G1.5 unless they have the attitude to match.

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Exactly this! :nod: Yes I've come across some rude fans and some of them diss G1, but I'm not going to jump up and shout how rude people are just for assigning an incorrect label to the show. Like I said before on the previous page, these people are probably just trying to avoid confusion by designating the different shows in a way that makes sense to them. I remember being confused myself about Tales when I first started collecting.

Also kind of curious as to why the cartoons aren't referred to as Series, Seasons and Arcs as other shows' fandoms I've been in usually do this.

Aha, this is exactly what I was saying! We don't have a way to refer to the different shows except by name (which for the first series is a long name, and for the G3 cartoons doesn't even really have a name...) and therefore some fans just grab a label we use for the toy line and started using those designations.

I think if we came up with some labels to designate the different shows, and started using them consistently on here and other boards, other fans of FiM and MLP in general would probably pick them up and start using them. I like KaibaGirl's idea of MLP&Friends = Series 1, Tales = Series 2, etc.

Abbreviated, we could just use 'S' which can be used for talking about both 'series' and 'season'. So for example when talking about "The Golden Horseshoes", you could say "S1 S2 'The Golden Horseshoes'".

I think this will clear up a lot of what people are annoyed about. It will help both the fans of the current show only as well as the fans of the toyline/shows in various incarnations, if we make it consistently popular, and this way everyone will have their own designations that don't overlap and cause confusion. :)
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on July 11, 2014, 08:05:07 AM
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Everyone in G1 is "the kind-hearted, caring one of the group", except a few select ponies like Gusty.
Understandable.  While the G1s did have character traits, maybe that in itself wasn't that much of a character trait.

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Look. This is a picture Lauren Faust posted on Twitter of her childhood ponies.  (Sidenote:  dang girl, nice collection!)

Sidenote: I am totally jealous of this collection (mind you, I am jealous of many collections).

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And what Al-1701 theorized is absolutely correct.  She had Year 1 through Year 3 ponies.  She had non-So-Soft Posey and non-So-Soft Surprise, ponies who were sold before "MLP 'n Friends" ever aired.  ("MLP 'n Friends" was advertising ponies who were sold later, So-Soft Posey and So-Soft Surprise.)  She had personalities for them before "My Little Pony 'n Friends" (which started in Year 4) ever aired . . . unless she just let them sit around for a year without personalities, but most little girls wouldn't do that.

This also explains why she disliked the show--she'd had her own idea of Ponyland in her head for three years and the show didn't match up.

That does make sense, so thanks for showing it to me.  Maybe that is the case, and is certainly better than "she hated MLP so much, she created FIM so that the new fans could attack the old shows" (which is the impression many bronies have sadly taken).  If this is the case, it does make sense, based on your evidence so I will admit that I have probably gotten it wrong, but I do notice similarities between the TV show's versions of Posey, Surprise, and Firefly, and her version of those ponies (with a few things that she added herself) but I accept that it may just be a coincidence.

Now that you've pointed out that she would have most likely had her own storyline at least three years before the show, I am afraid I still hold my belief to some extent, because I've had it for so long now, but this has made me look at the other side to it, and begin to accept that I may have gotten it wrong, but I am not completely like Twilight in "Feeling Pinkie Keen" if you get my drift. 

My main acceptance so far is that if she didn't like the show as a kid, she may have gotten to like it to some extent later, but if even that turns out not to be wrong then that is okay, as I am sure that the over the top hatred of Pre-FIM was not what she intended.

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I mean, the show is fine and all that.  But most of these "connections" and "shout outs" are really tenuous, and half of them can be explained away simply by looking at tropes.  "Girl who loves flowers is gentle and quiet" is not exactly uncommon.
First of all, bonus points for mentioning tropes, because hardly anyone seems to know what "tropes" are when I talk about them online (usually in one of those "this thing ripped off that thing" threads) despite the fact that there is a ginormous website dedicated to tropes.  Back on track, I guess you are right that those two character traits would come together a lot (as would the "gentle" character being the one who cares for animals as well).  Like I say, I will do a thread which lists all the possible shout-outs to the previous generations, as that will make it easier for us all to see if they were intentional or not (e.g. ponies who look similar to another are most likely a coincidence unless it looks too perfect, and if something is a trope then it is probably just that, a trope).  Either way, I am not going to insist I am 100% right, but for the time being I do believe that somebody (not necessarily Lauren) looked at previous generations and placed them in (the toys as well as the show).

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So if the show says "Posey is shy" and Faust says "Posey is shy", it doesn't mean Faust got that FROM the show.  It just means that both she and the show writers looked at Posey and thought, "Oh, she has tulips on her butt."
I knew I should have explained that part better, this is entirely my fault.  I didn't mean that Lauren made Posey/Fluttershy shy because Real Posey was shy, I mean that Lauren made Posey/Fluttershy shy because Lauren is shy.  I was saying that Posey and Fluttershy have some similarities, but the latter being shy is something that makes them different, but Lauren had to have a shy character because she herself knew what it's like to be the shy one, and wanted to connect to that side of the target audience, and basically say "There's nothing wrong with you."  I will detail this, and the other characters more in that post I was talking about, though I have posted some of it here elsewhere.

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I know we're drifting off-topic and really, I am not trying to pick on you, but I think this kind of illustrates the whole "for bronies it's only about the show" thing.
I don't think you're trying to pick on me, if anything I should be the one fearing that he's picking on you, which of course I'm not, but I know I can be overly passionate about things, and there is a thin line between that and being stubborn, I am sure, so I apologise if I come across that way.

I agree that, that probably is the case with the majority of bronies, and I will admit that it is the shows I remember first, because it was the shows I started with, but am now interested in the whole thing, and love the whole thing.  I agree that I basically did it "backwards"  as like you say the majority of people who grew up with MLP (if not all of them) got into it via the toys.

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G1 was about the TOYS.  It is entirely believable to me that Lauren Faust didn't like the cartoon and yet loved My Little Pony, because to a lot of little girls the toys and the show were two ENTIRELY separate things.
Understandable, and I will admit that I do view the toys and show as separate entities at times as well as the comics (which, as you say, they are) and that is why a certain thing I'm doing will sometimes obey the show, sometimes the toys, sometimes the comics, and sometimes it will attempt to put them together in places.

I hope that after all this, you are still okay with me as a person, and I do apologise if I am come across as ignorant, but I have hopefully portrayed that I agree with your evidence, and it makes sense. I hope you don't take it badly that I haven't completely let go of my theories yet, but I am closer because of you, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Malicieuse on July 11, 2014, 08:19:41 AM

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Yet she still used Posey and Surprise. I always found that kind of funny.

I imagine she had the toys of them.


Eh, i still find it a bit too much of a coincidence that out of all the toys she had, she picked characters that appeared on the show (or the first special). That both of those characters are similar to their G1 show counterparts. Just swap plants with animals and exaggerate their personalities. (Kinda like how Rainbow Dash is pretty much an exaggerated Firefly.)

But yeah, not like anyone can know for sure.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 11, 2014, 08:52:32 AM
I think another problem Faust might have had (I don't know if it was true when she was twelve), but recent things said about her gives me the impression she's a bit of a zealot.  Unfortunately the interview with Craig McCracken is on EqD, but how he describes Faust's attitude towards Hasbro suggests she didn't like working for a company that sells toys first and supports media second.

So, she could still hate the original cartoon on principle for all we know because the people worked on it "sold out" and played by Hasbro's rules.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sapphire-Light on July 11, 2014, 09:05:34 AM

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Yet she still used Posey and Surprise. I always found that kind of funny.

I imagine she had the toys of them.


Eh, i still find it a bit too much of a coincidence that out of all the toys she had, she picked characters that appeared on the show (or the first special). That both of those characters are similar to their G1 show counterparts. Just swap plants with animals and exaggerate their personalities. (Kinda like how Rainbow Dash is pretty much an exaggerated Firefly.)

But yeah, not like anyone can know for sure.

That's what I think too, even if Posey was just a coicidence I find pretty hard to believe she got the Firefly daredevil personaly out of thin air witout seeing the special even once

Mostly when in the backcard didn't say anything about being a darevil and loving adventures , it just descrives as "likes to dance in the clouds" but other early pegs do say similar things to Firefly backcard

http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Firefly

http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Skydancer
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: babylicketysplit on July 14, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust?   I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what.  G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on July 14, 2014, 09:42:52 PM
always saw it as part of the G1 line.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: xdartfrogx on July 14, 2014, 10:10:12 PM
Holy G1! That's a lot of unnecessary change somepony's trying to make! Leave history be. Let's categorize the new ones by the show instead of the toy mold. You know, to make it easier for the FiM only fans. :lmao:
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: gemini_pony on July 15, 2014, 12:46:53 AM
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust?   I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what.  G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.

I always got the impression from her old drawings that she liked it *shrug* I would not believe half the stuff online they say people have said unless I hear it from the horses mouth so to speak. But still I mean...I don't think that pertains to the discussion because even though I love G1's now I HATED the show as a child (not that I still feel that way..)

Edit- Also I started out as strictly a FIM fan only as I only had may 2 or 3 pony toys as a kid and only one way new when I got the others where yard sale finds.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Al-1701 on July 15, 2014, 03:37:36 AM
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust?   I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what.  G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.
It's not that she hates toys, but she saw the business of making toys getting the way of her artistic vision.  How McCracken described things, she's business illiterate and blames business for it.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: June on July 15, 2014, 04:58:47 AM
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust?   I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what.  G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.
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Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: brighteyes on July 15, 2014, 05:39:41 AM
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust?   I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what.  G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.

Yes! If I were nodding in agreement any harder, my head would fall off.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Marigold on July 15, 2014, 06:08:32 AM
I think the problem is that we called G3.5s: G3.5s.  It makes everyone want to break down classifications further than they need to be, and makes some people think that it is acceptable to ".5" everything.  Maybe G1.5 should have been a whole new generation.  Then the FIM pony toy design could happily sit as G5 and maybe people would stop arguing additional .5s .75s. .10s whatever.


G1.5 is silly.  Generations are about the toys and there is no major change of the toys.  I do understand G3.5 because people were unsure what exactly to do with them, but there is no need of calling anything G1.5. 
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on July 15, 2014, 08:09:25 AM
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust?   I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what.  G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.
She does not hate the toys, she grew up with them, and still has her toys as early as G1.  If she hated the toys and the show why would she have created stories about as a child?  You have to like at least one thing about it.

Come on, I know you can't like everyone, but she gets enough hate from bronies (not all of them, but they don't respect her).  I know she's just one person, but she doesn't deserve the level of hate she gets. 

I realise that this is my fault for delaying the thread in the first place, and I can't even remember (without checking) how we even got on to Lauren, but seriously she's just one person, why should she always be the one targeted with all this hate, that she gets enough from her so called fans if she steps out of line?  She is a human person, she grew up with MLP the same as many of you did, and people like me wish they did.  That is why I relate to her so much, she's a fan who actually got to do her own version, and for what purpose?  To be a scapegoat apparently...

I say this because she is a person who has done nothing to harm MLP in anyway - I wasn't going to steer this thread of topic anymore, but I know what it's like to feel hated, and I know that people here are much nicer than all the brony forums I've been on put together.

I do appologise for my off topic outburst, and I am sorry if this gets take the wrong way, but I feel people should remember that no matter how famous people become, they are people with emotions, and it's not about "her approval", it's more that people make it out that she wants people to hate the pre-FIM stuff, and she doesn't.   

I am sorry for turning the topic to her (and I've just remembered how I did), but I wasn't trying to make her out to be the most important person in the entire franchise of My Little Pony or anything - she's a fan first and foremost to me, same as us, regardless of whether it's the toys or the show, just one who happened to do her own show, I love what she did with her version, but I love all versions of MLP, and respect everyone who worked on every version (but will still state my opinion if I didn't like something they did, because you can't like everything), but I do give Lauren bonus points, because the fact that she is a fan of the previous generations who got to do her own version makes her easier to relate to for me, because it's like if one of us got to do his or her own TV Series of it.  Now let's be honest here, even if you only like the toys, and don't care about any of the shows - you can't tell me that, as a ponyfan, you wouldn't at least think about it if you were asked.

But this still doesn't mean she gets more respect than anyone else involved, but it's just that I find it really heart-warming.

But sorry for derailing this topic, I tend toget defensive of people if they are getting a lot of hate, and I no it isn't as bad as the hate I've seen her get from some bronies, but I just wanted to avoid it here, but I am sorry for spending all this time on this topic, and I will do some more possitive topics later, if people will still be okay with me doing so after this...

Sorry.

Don't hate, please.  I come here to get away from that.  :sad:
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: June on July 15, 2014, 08:21:04 AM
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust?   I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what.  G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.
She does not hate the toys, she grew up with them, and still has her toys as early as G1.

Come on, I know you can't like everyone, but she gets enough hate from bronies (not all of them, but they don't respect her).  I know she's just one person, but she doesn't deserve the level of hate she gets. 

I say this because she is a person who has done nothing to harm MLP in anyway - I wasn't going to stare this thread of topic anymore, but I know how it feels to be hated when people don't understand what I'm saying, and I know that people here are much nicer than all the brony forums I've been on put together.

Don't hate, please.  I come here to get away from that.  :sad:

I don't think anyone here hates Lauren, we just don't care about her (that much). It's annoying that she ends up as main subject in a lot of discussions which have nothing to do with her.

Btw, I've always thought that Lauren is some kind of a goddess to brony fandom because she made ponies "awesome". And also, because it seems like she is the only one allowed to have unipeg aka alicorn OC.  This is the first time I hear the opposite :wonder:
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Dragonflitter on July 15, 2014, 08:30:18 AM
I agree with MJNSEIFER. This thread started as a discussion on the terms used to label the toy lines and/or the different MLP cartoon series. Why did it turn into a thread about Faust bashing, or why/why not she likes certain MLP toys/cartoons?

Personally I think it would be much more beneficial if we talked about ways to label the different cartoon series--a way that is DIFFERENT than the labels we use for the toy lines--so that new collectors and FiM fans won't be so confused.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Sky_Rocket_Sammie on July 15, 2014, 08:39:13 AM
Faust is Faust. I'm tired of both ends. Acting like she is some god for being involved in G4 or hating her 100%.

Frankly what I am tired of is newer folks in MLP collecting trying to change things around. Learn what came before G4,respect it, and leave it alone.  This G1.5 is just ridiculous.

Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on July 15, 2014, 08:47:59 AM
I have updated the reply because I thought of more stuff, but hopefuly I didn't upset anyone.

I'll send a message to people who asked me stuff/responded to my post about Lauren, and anyone else who's interested, so I don't take this off toipic anymore.  If anyone else wants to know anything about my response they can message me, and those who I choose to message, can tell me to stop if they want, I won't bombard them.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on July 15, 2014, 09:42:57 AM
Well this kinda thing happens everywhere you go. Younger generations of fans will sometimes get things wrong.

 For example if a song that came out in the 70s was covered and revamped in the 2000s by a different artist and it was a really good cover, then younger fans will jump on the bandwagon and may not research it's origins and tout it as being the creative genius of (insert artist here) and original fans will jump the younger ones butts (I"ve been guilty of not knowing unless the original artist was credited and of snarling at younger fans for thinking it was a newer artist) and of course in doing so aggressively, this will make newer fans irritated and defensive and hey, when most people get POed their emotions wave bye-bye to their logic and manners and arguments break out.

Now if they're rude when you try to politely correct them, then they deserve whatever they get for acting like lil turds.


Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: babylicketysplit on July 15, 2014, 02:42:07 PM
i stand by what i said.  i was not "hating" XD  faust.  i said  I DONT CARE about her or her opinion on this subject. it has nothing to do with what gens should be named.  the people who derailed in the first place to her is the behaviour in the fandom that annoys me.   what faust does, did, or didnt has no application here.

I loved the g1 show and the toys.  woopppeee for me. :P    but does it matter if i liked them or not? nope.   it doesnt change that the generations are what they are.  and that they are labeled not based on the show, but the toyline stopped and restarting with a new change in direction.
Title: Re: "G1.5" ...?
Post by: hathorcat on July 19, 2014, 02:06:01 PM
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