The problem I have is that instead of being confused and taking five minutes to find more information about it, they just assume that Tales is G2 or G1.5 or whatever. There is a wealth of information out there on every subject. It doesn't take much effort to find it. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something, no one knows everything. It's not taking the time to learn and jumping to conclusions that annoys me.
I think its for the fact that the style of the show is so different from G1. Meaning G1 was filled with adventure, sea ponies, villains, flutter ponies, etc. While tales was earth ponies living like humans. Yes maybe the art style was similar but the fact that the show is completely different is why people like to separate the two in fact growing up and for the longest time I thought Tales was G2s show because when I watched Tales on the Disney channel the G2 ponies were in the stores, and I thought I just never saw the main ponies, I had the white pony that looked a lot like Sweetheart though even though now I know she isn't.
A lot of people have been doing this within the community and it isn't much of problem/big deal; I don't understand how this can get some people ticked-off.
Anyways not until really I started coming on here did I realize that people insist it is G1"Insisted"? Long time communities like this aren't just "insisting" that it's G1; they defined the generation numbers! That's why people get upset when treated as if all their time and consideration is now irrelevant.
Who cares?
It's a spin-off of My Little Pony n' Friends with an entirely different cast and setting, so I wouldn't blame them for calling it "G1.5".
A lot of people have been doing this within the community and it isn't much of problem/big deal; I don't understand how this can get some people ticked-off.
Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.
Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.
But this makes no sense because there are G1 style toys for MLP Tales. The toys are absolutely the same as all the other G1 toys. To call Tales anything other than G1 is confusing. Then people will wonder why Tales Bright Eyes looks like other G1 when Tales is "G1.5." Maybe it clears up some *possible* confusion about the show, but it adds tons of confusion about the toys.
Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.
But this makes no sense because there are G1 style toys for MLP Tales. The toys are absolutely the same as all the other G1 toys. To call Tales anything other than G1 is confusing. Then people will wonder why Tales Bright Eyes looks like other G1 when Tales is "G1.5." Maybe it clears up some *possible* confusion about the show, but it adds tons of confusion about the toys.
I'm not referring to the toys, its whatever though I'm over arguing my point, and to clarify I'm not a "new collector" I have been watching and played with ponies when i was a kid so over 20 years. I understand the toys are all G1 and Tales is late G1, I just don't like MLP and Friends grouped with Tales.
Yea I know, but Tales is the exception in my opinion for show only. G3.5 is that way due to the art style and toys, but I would say G1.5 only refers to the show obviously not the toys.
But this makes no sense because there are G1 style toys for MLP Tales. The toys are absolutely the same as all the other G1 toys. To call Tales anything other than G1 is confusing. Then people will wonder why Tales Bright Eyes looks like other G1 when Tales is "G1.5." Maybe it clears up some *possible* confusion about the show, but it adds tons of confusion about the toys.
I'm not referring to the toys, its whatever though I'm over arguing my point, and to clarify I'm not a "new collector" I have been watching and played with ponies when i was a kid so over 20 years. I understand the toys are all G1 and Tales is late G1, I just don't like MLP and Friends grouped with Tales.
That's funny- I hadn't seen G1.5 before- I too would have guessed that maybe they meant the teen looking ponies or something near the end of G1.Exactly.
It doesn't make sense to base the generation on the show- the show is just a lengthy commercial. So at some point for G1, the storyline of the commercial changed.
It just so happened that when G3, 3.5 and 4 toys were made, there was no show on so shows were created to advertise for the new pony product, so shows were created, and they did look more like the products that were being sold. However, with this kind of show, the show is always just an add, regardless of how good it is.
If we're getting nitpicky, in the UK comic books, Majesty's fantasy world and the "modern" Tales world are clearly in the same universe.
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All of everything LadyMoondancer said x 1000. This is such a bug bear for me.
All those people have been interested in MLP and collecting MLP longer than...well...2 years, have been referring to things in a certain way for a pretty long time. Its not being snotty or unreasonable to politely state its annoying when people who clearly dont have enough of an interest in something to research or learn its history start reclassifying to suit their own wishes.
Personally I just think its a touch rude. Would anyone here enter any other collecting community or fandom and say "hey...I know you guys have been doing this for the last couple of decades but I am going to change this...oh yeah and if anyone says I am wrong...well...tough noogies to you"?
Unfortunately as others have mentioned, the rise of G4 has brought with it some kind of mass amnesia...forgetting My Little Pony is a TOY line with a "cartoon advert".
THIS. If Equestria Girls can be referred to as simply "Equestria Girls" and not "G4.5" or what have you, why does Tales need a different name? :/
Aquatic Neon, it's true that MLP Tales is very different from MLP 'n Friends and maybe in its own universe, or the far future, or something.
But G1 is still a toy term. If you said "MLP 'n Friends is way different from MLP Tales", everyone would be nodding. But even though they are different universes, they are still all G1. Like, Posey and Melody are literally in the exact same mold.
Heck, even in the Transformers fandom (which is where G1/G2 terms originated), the "G2 show" was not the reason for the two terms. In fact, the "G2 show" consisted of reruns of the G1 Transformers show! The only difference was they slapped a CGI opening on it!
If we're getting nitpicky, in the UK comic books, Majesty's fantasy world and the "modern" Tales world are clearly in the same universe.
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Aquatic Neon, it's true that MLP Tales is very different from MLP 'n Friends and maybe in its own universe, or the far future, or something.
But G1 is still a toy term. If you said "MLP 'n Friends is way different from MLP Tales", everyone would be nodding. But even though they are different universes, they are still all G1. Like, Posey and Melody are literally in the exact same mold.
Heck, even in the Transformers fandom (which is where G1/G2 terms originated), the "G2 show" was not the reason for the two terms. In fact, the "G2 show" consisted of reruns of the G1 Transformers show! The only difference was they slapped a CGI opening on it!
If we're getting nitpicky, in the UK comic books, Majesty's fantasy world and the "modern" Tales world are clearly in the same universe.
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I wonder what (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9J2vF3Q3o8) these very (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPVxkkzFLFE) first commercials (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdubMVwe0Y) should be called? G0.5? (And if that is the case, where does My Pretty Pony stand?) :rolleyes:
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The shows mostly have their own names, so if you want to distinguish between them, it's not that hard. The toys do not, nor do they all correlate to a show, so generation numbers matter.
I really don't get some of the fans of FiM sometimes - They feel a deep need to classify the shows as G1-G3.5, and yet, their favourite show isn't 'G4', it's 'FiM'? Whaaa? I'm also loving the Equestria girls argument. Why hasn't EQG been given a number if numbering the media is so important? Is it G4.5? FiM 0.5? No, it's Equestria Girls, Just like we had Dream Beauties, except EQG has a couple of movies. Even the tie-ins are similar is you compare it to Tales:We refer to it as "G4" as well, it's just easy to alternate between the two. In fact, I have seen the fandom use "G4" far more than "FIM", especially when talking about the ponies themselves.
Also, bronies haven shown an unwillingness to get their facts straight.I whole heartedly agree with you on this one. The fact that many of them still don't realize how much of what makes FIM (speaking about the show) so good is clearly inspired from the previous shows prooves this to no end. Despite being one, I could probably list a lot of times when bronies got things wrong about MLP - including the one that they follow.
Slightly OT - you guys who also hang out on Brony forums - is there anyone who neglects the fact that Tirek was originally a G1 villain? *sudden curiosity*
I wonder what (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9J2vF3Q3o8) these very (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPVxkkzFLFE) first commercials (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DdubMVwe0Y) should be called? G0.5? (And if that is the case, where does My Pretty Pony stand?) :rolleyes:
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They would be called G1, just look at the style of the /TOY/- not the cartoon characters. As for My Pretty Pony they were the debut before My Little Pony became a thing, so I'm not sure they actually fall into a gen so much as stand as a predecessor (but if someone knows for sure, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong!)
I wonder if they know that FIM has several call backs to the previous generations, as early as season 1?Slightly OT - you guys who also hang out on Brony forums - is there anyone who neglects the fact that Tirek was originally a G1 villain? *sudden curiosity*
From what I have seen, many FiM fans that are discussing those episodes in forums do remark that Tirek was from the old cartoons. :)
For the most part many bronies act like Faust disliked the original cartoon.Well, they couldn't be more wrong. They could try, but they would not be successful.
I know on FiM's wikipedia page that have her describing girls shows of the time being something like nothing but tea parties and the main characters winning through crying and sharing. My jaw dropped upon reading this because it didn't describe either of Sunbow's shows for girls (MLP and Jem) at all.That's why she liked MLP, because it stood out from the other shows, and didn't do things like this (I don't know what her view on Jem is). That's the impression I get from it, and the way FIM is just too full of shout-outs to the classics to be made by a hater.
That's why she liked MLP, because it stood out from the other shows, and didn't do things like this (I don't know what her view on Jem is). That's the impression I get from it, and the way FIM is just too full of shout-outs to the classics to be made by a hater.
In true brony-fashion they took what someone said at face value, and then ran with it.
I've seen her say she only saw three episodes of the series and stopped (and if they were the first three episodes of "The End of Flutter Valley" I can't blame her). She was eleven or twelve by the time the series was coming out and was falling out of the brand in general by the time. If you notice her childhood ponies only go up to Year 3 for the most part.
Posey was originally released in Year 3 (as was Surprise). Watchers of the show might know more of the So Soft versions, and she might have had their So Soft versions. But her pictures of her childhood herd seemed to be mostly Year 3 or earlier.
I find it so rude and hurtful that people of the last couple of years would come and redefine what has been established within the collectioncommunity for almost 20 years. Have the word 'research" gone out the window?
That's why she liked MLP, because it stood out from the other shows, and didn't do things like this (I don't know what her view on Jem is). That's the impression I get from it, and the way FIM is just too full of shout-outs to the classics to be made by a hater.
In true brony-fashion they took what someone said at face value, and then ran with it.
She did not like the MLP cartoon. I've never seen her say anywhere that she liked the cartoon, and have seen her say several times that she disliked it, that she found it boring, and that she preferred the stories she made up herself as a kid.
Which kind of makes my point about My Little Pony being a toyline with an animated commercial--that someone who thought the cartoon was dumb could still love My Little Pony as a WHOLE enough to devote a lot of time to making a show about it.
The MLP cartoons were such a tiny, tiny part of G1. It was all about the toys.
Yet she still used Posey and Surprise. I always found that kind of funny.
When you think about it, Posey is actually kind of like Poison Ivy from Batman! This only makes me love her more.Now we just need the fan art.
Slightly OT - you guys who also hang out on Brony forums - is there anyone who neglects the fact that Tirek was originally a G1 villain? *sudden curiosity*
From what I have seen, many FiM fans that are discussing those episodes in forums do remark that Tirek was from the old cartoons. :)
She did not like the MLP cartoon. I've never seen her say anywhere that she liked the cartoon, and have seen her say several times that she disliked it, that she found it boring, and that she preferred the stories she made up herself as a kid.
Which kind of makes my point about My Little Pony being a toyline with an animated commercial--that someone who thought the cartoon was dumb could still love My Little Pony as a WHOLE enough to devote a lot of time to making a show about it.
Posey is really not much like Fluttershy. Fluttershy loves animals. Posey gave a caterpillar a death glare because she thought it was going to eat her flowers. Fluttershy is shy. Despite her squeaky voice, Posey is generally willing to say exactly what she thinks. (For example, "You tried to hurt the Flories and trashed my garden, so it serves you right that we're locking you up.")Lauren chose to make Posey shy because she is shy. She wanted a character to show children that it's okay to be shy, and that you can learn to still be shy, but not a push-over, because she's had to deal with it herself.
I actually think Posey and Fluttershy would hate each other if they met. Bats practically cements this as I could see Posey chanting "Death to the bats."They'd probably dissagree about it, but I think they'd ultimately see past it. :)
G1.5 is a new one too me, though I'd much rather have the newer/cartoon fans refer to Tales as that instead of G2 if they aren't going to acknowledge it as G1. However I'm not going to think them (as an individual) disrespectful, rude or take offence from using the term G1.5 unless they have the attitude to match.
Also kind of curious as to why the cartoons aren't referred to as Series, Seasons and Arcs as other shows' fandoms I've been in usually do this.
Everyone in G1 is "the kind-hearted, caring one of the group", except a few select ponies like Gusty.Understandable. While the G1s did have character traits, maybe that in itself wasn't that much of a character trait.
Look. This is a picture Lauren Faust posted on Twitter of her childhood ponies. (Sidenote: dang girl, nice collection!)Sidenote: I am totally jealous of this collection (mind you, I am jealous of many collections).
And what Al-1701 theorized is absolutely correct. She had Year 1 through Year 3 ponies. She had non-So-Soft Posey and non-So-Soft Surprise, ponies who were sold before "MLP 'n Friends" ever aired. ("MLP 'n Friends" was advertising ponies who were sold later, So-Soft Posey and So-Soft Surprise.) She had personalities for them before "My Little Pony 'n Friends" (which started in Year 4) ever aired . . . unless she just let them sit around for a year without personalities, but most little girls wouldn't do that.That does make sense, so thanks for showing it to me. Maybe that is the case, and is certainly better than "she hated MLP so much, she created FIM so that the new fans could attack the old shows" (which is the impression many bronies have sadly taken). If this is the case, it does make sense, based on your evidence so I will admit that I have probably gotten it wrong, but I do notice similarities between the TV show's versions of Posey, Surprise, and Firefly, and her version of those ponies (with a few things that she added herself) but I accept that it may just be a coincidence.
This also explains why she disliked the show--she'd had her own idea of Ponyland in her head for three years and the show didn't match up.
I mean, the show is fine and all that. But most of these "connections" and "shout outs" are really tenuous, and half of them can be explained away simply by looking at tropes. "Girl who loves flowers is gentle and quiet" is not exactly uncommon.First of all, bonus points for mentioning tropes, because hardly anyone seems to know what "tropes" are when I talk about them online (usually in one of those "this thing ripped off that thing" threads) despite the fact that there is a ginormous website dedicated to tropes. Back on track, I guess you are right that those two character traits would come together a lot (as would the "gentle" character being the one who cares for animals as well). Like I say, I will do a thread which lists all the possible shout-outs to the previous generations, as that will make it easier for us all to see if they were intentional or not (e.g. ponies who look similar to another are most likely a coincidence unless it looks too perfect, and if something is a trope then it is probably just that, a trope). Either way, I am not going to insist I am 100% right, but for the time being I do believe that somebody (not necessarily Lauren) looked at previous generations and placed them in (the toys as well as the show).
So if the show says "Posey is shy" and Faust says "Posey is shy", it doesn't mean Faust got that FROM the show. It just means that both she and the show writers looked at Posey and thought, "Oh, she has tulips on her butt."I knew I should have explained that part better, this is entirely my fault. I didn't mean that Lauren made Posey/Fluttershy shy because Real Posey was shy, I mean that Lauren made Posey/Fluttershy shy because Lauren is shy. I was saying that Posey and Fluttershy have some similarities, but the latter being shy is something that makes them different, but Lauren had to have a shy character because she herself knew what it's like to be the shy one, and wanted to connect to that side of the target audience, and basically say "There's nothing wrong with you." I will detail this, and the other characters more in that post I was talking about, though I have posted some of it here elsewhere.
I know we're drifting off-topic and really, I am not trying to pick on you, but I think this kind of illustrates the whole "for bronies it's only about the show" thing.I don't think you're trying to pick on me, if anything I should be the one fearing that he's picking on you, which of course I'm not, but I know I can be overly passionate about things, and there is a thin line between that and being stubborn, I am sure, so I apologise if I come across that way.
G1 was about the TOYS. It is entirely believable to me that Lauren Faust didn't like the cartoon and yet loved My Little Pony, because to a lot of little girls the toys and the show were two ENTIRELY separate things.Understandable, and I will admit that I do view the toys and show as separate entities at times as well as the comics (which, as you say, they are) and that is why a certain thing I'm doing will sometimes obey the show, sometimes the toys, sometimes the comics, and sometimes it will attempt to put them together in places.
QuoteYet she still used Posey and Surprise. I always found that kind of funny.
I imagine she had the toys of them.
QuoteYet she still used Posey and Surprise. I always found that kind of funny.
I imagine she had the toys of them.
Eh, i still find it a bit too much of a coincidence that out of all the toys she had, she picked characters that appeared on the show (or the first special). That both of those characters are similar to their G1 show counterparts. Just swap plants with animals and exaggerate their personalities. (Kinda like how Rainbow Dash is pretty much an exaggerated Firefly.)
But yeah, not like anyone can know for sure.
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust? I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what. G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust? I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what. G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.It's not that she hates toys, but she saw the business of making toys getting the way of her artistic vision. How McCracken described things, she's business illiterate and blames business for it.
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust? I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what. G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.:like:
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust? I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what. G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust? I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what. G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.She does not hate the toys, she grew up with them, and still has her toys as early as G1. If she hated the toys and the show why would she have created stories about as a child? You have to like at least one thing about it.
anyoen else sick of hearing about the almighty faust? I DONT CARE. what when or how faust did whatever she did with what. G1 is G1, and if she hates toys so much she can stuff it. because we who do like the g1 show and like toys as much as shows dont really need her stamp of approval.She does not hate the toys, she grew up with them, and still has her toys as early as G1.
Come on, I know you can't like everyone, but she gets enough hate from bronies (not all of them, but they don't respect her). I know she's just one person, but she doesn't deserve the level of hate she gets.
I say this because she is a person who has done nothing to harm MLP in anyway - I wasn't going to stare this thread of topic anymore, but I know how it feels to be hated when people don't understand what I'm saying, and I know that people here are much nicer than all the brony forums I've been on put together.
Don't hate, please. I come here to get away from that. :sad: