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Creativity => Customs => Topic started by: Saphy on December 11, 2017, 05:38:37 PM
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Is it wrong? I'm nervous now I've already removed a box mark from baby celebrations I bought him to customize by I got 2 people saying he's not baity one said please don't customize g1 on good condition and now I don't know what to do...what do you all think? I bought him to be my bilgewater (and similarly a bbe gusty to be a zombie and a so soft buttons to be my blissy, but every time I ask for help and tips on these someone somewhere responds saying not bait don't customize and well...I just don't know what to do I bought them for that purpose but now it feels wrong.
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When it comes down to it IT'S YOUR PONY.
You can do with it what ever you like.
I am sure you can probably sympathies with those of us that cringe when we see good condition(or better) ponies being used as baits.
I think it's just the general concern that at some point good condition ponies will be come harder and harder to find. Maybe even that ponies
will become extremely expensive and rare. I think the "Don't bait that" comes from that fear that one day all the ponies will be claimed or gone.
I really wish that blanks of each pose were available for customization. I really feel that is an untapped market.
Ponies should bring you joy. I think we can all agree that is probably why all of us like them. Do what makes you happy.
If you choose to customize it take your time and make the best possible custom you can. Make something you will love in
your collection for years to come.
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It sounds as though the ponies you have there aren't bait: http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Bait
Personally I would sell them again on Ebay or on here and wait for some to come up in the right condition for a complete makeover. Once they are gone they are gone. You might not get the appreciation your work deserves if you are baiting the kind of pony that most collectors would be happy to have in their collection and see in other's collections as well. However ultimately they are your ponies and therefore it's your choice.
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It sounds as though the ponies you have there aren't bait: http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Bait
Personally I would sell them again on Ebay or on here and wait for some to come up in the right condition for a complete makeover. Once they are gone they are gone. You might not get the appreciation your work deserves if you are baiting the kind of pony that most collectors would be happy to have in their collection and see in other's collections as well. However ultimately they are your ponies and therefore it's your choice.
This, basically. Like they are your ponies so nobody can really stop you, but customizing a pony that's in a pretty good condition results in there being less of that pony existing, and if people continue doing so, it's going to become more and more difficult to find ponies (particularly G1s) in the future. That's why it's best to buy ponies that are obvious bait and can't be easily restored to use to customize, instead of ones that are perfectly fine for display.
Even with common G1s, if enough people take the mindset of "it's a common, so it's okay", that would still lead to there being a lot less in the future, and I think that's incredibly important to consider. We don't want to get to a point where the majority of G1s have been customized because a lot of people decide to customize G1s that are perfectly fine, as opposed to majorly flawed ones who can't be fixed.
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I would call the ponies I'm looking to customize ok condition not good but not bad. The celebration is marked up a little has a smudged eye, some brown by the neck, and partly rubbed off cutiemarks (now one box totally rubbed off cause I did that in starting to customize him)
The bbe gusty has dirt some might be cancer spots
So soft buttons is dirty which I don't think has any hope of removing without deflocking and her horn tip and ear tips are deflocked
I'm not looking to sell them once customized I'm looking to customize them for my own collection
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It is your pony, you can do what you want for it. Though, NO ONE SHOULD MAKE YOU FEEL BAD FOR DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO YOUR PROPERTY. That pony is yours. Others have no right to make you feel like you did something wrong for doing what you want to your item and no one has any right to say what you can't and can do to an item you own and they don't. No one would like it if some random person said "I don't like how you decorated your Christmas tree!" If people are making you feel bad, I am truly sorry.
As for the topic of whether you should or not, I don't think it is quite good to customize perfectly good G1s. How people define "perfectly good" is varied, but mostly, it means a small haircut, minor marks (bigger allowed on NDS), some paint rubs, some stains, or better condition. If your pony has a big flaw but only one, people are uneasy if you customize that pony. For example, a pony with a major haircut but no other flaws could be rehaired - then she would be in great condition. I find it fine if your pony has major flaws you can't fix, like huge stains or marker that just won't sunfade away. But when someone customizes a pony with flaws that could be fixed, that is looked down upon. For example, marker that could be sunfaded, pindot that could be removed,and other things. If you fixed these things, you would have a non baity pony which people would gladly buy and put into their collection. Other's opinions vary, these are just mine. But again, this is YOUR pony we are talking about. Hope this helps :)
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This topic comes up every year or so it seems, and it almost always sparks a argument. xD
I also say its yours, you paid for it, do what you want.
you could resell them and hope you find a baity version of the one you want, but who knows if you will.
Similar to what Safflower said.. No one can tell you what to do with your own property.
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It's yours. You want a custom of your OC. That's the pose/base you wanted it to be. Go for it.
As for the fear that one day all the ponies will be "gone" does that mean that we shouldn't customize G4 Pinkie Pie because one day she might be rare? In ten or twenty years I'm sure we'll hear about it from the next generation of collectors. There's no telling what the future will bring. For all we know Hasbro will get taken over by someone nostalgic and re-release all the G1 poses with new names and call it G5. The bottom line is that the person who owns the pony gets to decide what happens to it. Whether or not anyone else agrees doesn't matter.
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Thanks everyone for your help and opinions. Baby celebrations will become bilgewater. If anyone has an issue with this specific transformation please keep it to yourself however he is the only g1 who is not completely bait I will customize in ways that cant be easily undone. Bbe gusty will stay herself she's a zombie in my mind already anyhow i dont really need to add rage veins to imagine shes one she is in my heart. So soft buttons i will add markings in the form of material in a safely removable way that wont damage her to make her my blissy (as i already did turning baby cotton candy into my candycloud by adding removable wings..dang those two are alike lol) as for future custom only super baits and maybe g3 and 4 commons (i am now in hunt of super baits if anyone has but this isnt a sale thread so i wont say more about that lol)
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There's somebody on eBay that sells a lot of 10 bait ponies for $10 if you want somewhere to get some baits! I haven't bought any of their baits but plan to in the future when I get more into customizing (I have a bait Skywishes I found locally that I still need to work on, so I'm waiting until she's done).
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think you could pm me a link or do ebay links not work. if so just a title might help
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think you could pm me a link or do ebay links not work. if so just a title might help
Sent!
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Yep, I agree with the comments here! These were created to bring joy to people, and if this would bring you joy, I don’t think anyone would stop you. If you’re not feeling quite right about customizing a non-bait, that’s a great idea to sell that one and keep your eyes out for the same pose, but in bait condition. It might take longer, but being a G1, there’s got to be one out there like that. It might help settle the debate in your own mind, plus you’d be reviving a pony. :)
I really wish that blanks of each pose were available for customization. I really feel that is an untapped market.
Yes! That would fantastic! Hasbro, being a larger company, are going to go after what reaches the biggest audience, so maybe they see customization as too small an audience? If they did the marketing right though, I could see this as a way to unite the audiences over multiple generations. Releasing some of the most popular poses from G1 as a “customize your own”… that would be a huge hat tip to the people who have supported them for a long while now while letting the really little kids in on fun art projects! An “every pose” thing would be even more amazing, although unfortunately I’m not sure a big company would want to pour effort into setting up something like that. Still, it’s a worthwhile wish to put out there!
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I really wish that blanks of each pose were available for customization. I really feel that is an untapped market.
Yes! That would fantastic! Hasbro, being a larger company, are going to go after what reaches the biggest audience, so maybe they see customization as too small an audience? If they did the marketing right though, I could see this as a way to unite the audiences over multiple generations. Releasing some of the most popular poses from G1 as a “customize your own”… that would be a huge hat tip to the people who have supported them for a long while now while letting the really little kids in on fun art projects! An “every pose” thing would be even more amazing, although unfortunately I’m not sure a big company would want to pour effort into setting up something like that. Still, it’s a worthwhile wish to put out there!
Well, they did have a G3 Blank that they sold but it was only available through the Hasbro Toy Shop as far as I know. I bought a bunch at one point just to have them on hand. But the downside was that it was only the one pose.
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You can still buy them:
https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/en/htsusa/brands/brands-M-Z/my-little-pony-htsus-brands-mylittlepony/-987920220
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To add another perspective to this, I think I know how Saphy feels. I mention this story everyone once in a while about my custom Marius. He's a boy and I wanted him made from a real boy and not another pony turned in to a boy. I don't customize ponies myself but I found someone who assured me that the boys she using for customs were bait and beyond restoration. This way several years ago. Part of the deal was that my customizer could post pictures of my boy on her DeviantArt page and one day I checked out the comments. I was sad when I read a comment that the pony was now ruined and shouldn't have been customized. My customizer tried to explain that the boy she used was bait but this person continued on about how boys should never be used as customs. It took a little of my excitement over having my boy that I'd waited so long to be completed. I still love him and would never trade or sell him but just wanted to add that story to the discussion.
Ponyfan
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To add another perspective to this, I think I know how Saphy feels. I mention this story everyone once in a while about my custom Marius. He's a boy and I wanted him made from a real boy and not another pony turned in to a boy. I don't customize ponies myself but I found someone who assured me that the boys she using for customs were bait and beyond restoration. This way several years ago. Part of the deal was that my customizer could post pictures of my boy on her DeviantArt page and one day I checked out the comments. I was sad when I read a comment that the pony was now ruined and shouldn't have been customized. My customizer tried to explain that the boy she used was bait but this person continued on about how boys should never be used as customs. It took a little of my excitement over having my boy that I'd waited so long to be completed. I still love him and would never trade or sell him but just wanted to add that story to the discussion.
Ponyfan
I had a similar experience after posting pictures of a Troubleshoes custom I made. The boy I used had permanent marker all over and his hair had been cut off. I bought him as bait specifically to do a custom. Someone said that I ruined a pony that was worth "thousands of dollars" :lol: They were a troll that had a gallery called "Stupid things people have done" or something like that and it had several customized ponies and the users who created the ponies specifically stated that the ponies had been bait quality. The person with the gallery was so ill-informed about the prices of ponies and they were being mean. They had nothing good to say about anyone's art. So I blocked the user and reported their gallery to DA.
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@Ponyfan, that seriously sucks. I'm sorry those commenters bummed you out. I think that sort of commentary should be kept to PMs to the artist or to threads like this one.
I absolutely understand why people don't want G1s customized very often. they're over 30 years old and Hasbro won't be making them again. if everyone said, "Cotton Candy is common as dirt, let's customize her," then yeah we'd run out of CCs eventually.
but more than those customizers, people are going to keep the unaltered ponies in their collections. they're only going to become more valuable in time as they degrade and the ones in better condition will be more rare! so at the end of the day, I don't think it's horrible at all to do cause the majority will be kept as-is. I DO think taking Very Good condition ponies and customizing them isn't best, because someone out there wants her as she is!
and I DO think it's in very poor form to customize --as opposed to restoring-- uncommon ponies, like the ones that go for $60 or higher. (I kind of consider deflocking a baity so-soft to be restoring her in a way) like if you customized an Ice Crystal... people would be mad and I'd cringe, too. but Tex? go for it! you know?
I like how a lot of people are making casts/molds of ponies for customizing, like HQG1C for example. I assume the pony used to cast is damaged? but then you can make hundreds of customs from one pony's sacrifice. ofc not everyone has that sort of resource, but how they're releasing plain white ones for customizing.. honestly I think that's an ideal future for MLP customs!
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Now I gotta look them up o.o
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So soft buttons i will add markings in the form of material in a safely removable way that wont damage her to make her my blissy (as i already did turning baby cotton candy into my candycloud by adding removable wings..dang those two are alike lol)
This is a cool idea. I'm imagining something like fuzzy felt, will be nice to see what you come up with. She was the one I thought I probably wouldn't bait, myself. I hope have fun making them and that you'll show them to us when you're done.
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Ya I bought some blue material that felt similar to the pony I'm just trying to figure out how to do it and add cutiemark, the hair is accurate color aside from the stripe so I'm going to take that stripe and put a hair clip on it so it looks like one of those color extensions kids wear rather than connected hair but will stay connected
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Original G1's in good condition are a limited supply - while 'It's your pony to do with as you wish' always applies, consider if there's a better option before you bait. My personal rule of thumb is 'Is this pony something another collector would be happy to have in their collection as-is?' I've seen people bait ponies I would have loved to have had in my collection just because they weren't 100% perfect anymore, and that makes me very sad. Even sadder when the custom often ends up looking sub-par, or they use poor materials/techniques that end up lasting only a few months/years.
There's no shortage of ponies with unfixable issues out there that can be used to make customs.
If you customize a pony with minor issues, something that's rare/uncommon or otherwise would have still been valuable to a collector, don't expect a warm reception for your 'creation'.
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Bait is very subjective.... some of the ponies in my collection would be considered absolute charity cases... but they are MY ponies and I love their flaws.
and there will always be more new collectors looking for starters, so eventually you will be able to Buy Sell Trade that ultra common pony and make a new friend :) save your money, enjoy others' photos, build a wishlist... but you don't need to jump right into customizing...
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Ya I bought some blue material that felt similar to the pony I'm just trying to figure out how to do it and add cutiemark, the hair is accurate color aside from the stripe so I'm going to take that stripe and put a hair clip on it so it looks like one of those color extensions kids wear rather than connected hair but will stay connected
That's a good idea. There are some G1 accessories like that, with a clip and a coloured hair extension. They were so cool in the 80s :)
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So my blissy will be a cool 80s kid....actually storywise that's kind of the generation I had made her, well 70s but 80s teen
Loosely based of course cause equestrias time isn't quiet like or, I consider current time there similar to our late 90s early 2000s
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It's a balancing act. On the one hand, you can do what you want with any pony you own. They are yours. On the other hand, you can't force people to be thrilled when a pony is customized that isn't what they consider 'bait'. Of course they are going to have their own opinions; that is natural.
As far as G1 baits go, the HQG1C group is currently selling pure white blank ponies of an adult boy, a sitting pony, and a Gusty pose unicorn. There's been some talk about selling blanks without hair, which would lower the cost.
There are also the fairly common Crumpet-pose fakies and the harder to find (?) G1 Newborn pose fakies.
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There are also the fairly common Crumpet-pose fakies and the harder to find (?) G1 Newborn pose fakies.
off-topic but are those much in demand? I have like 15 of them somewhere...
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There's always interest in G1 mould fakies - both from those who collect them as-is, and people who want them for customs. I'd say the Newborn fakies are the more popular of the two, since Newborn bodies are harder to come by (gosh that sounds wrong...) and baby ponies are easier to customize - less materials, less hair needed.