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MLP Nirvana / Re: Alternate Pose Ponies: What would you choose?
« on: March 14, 2015, 06:18:52 AM »
I often wonder why the changes. I like the Princess Star Gleamer in Fizzy pose too.

I agree about Moondancer and her pose, too. Moondancer might be older than the Gusty pose but they could have changed her in yr 3. Imo every unicorn ever would look awesome in that pose.

On the flip of sitting babies, I would like walking pose Seashell and shy pose Bubbles. Also, the MLP factfile shows Honeycomb as a unicorn in Gusty pose. I love Honeycomb and her pose, but wouldnt that have been awesome and made her really different from Surprise?

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Pony Corral / Re: Glowing Magic/Glow N Show Ponies Question...
« on: March 14, 2015, 06:07:04 AM »
That would be great, Brightglowpony, if you don't mind.

My impression of these is that every batch is a bit different though I tend to think of blue heart Dazzle as the original edition because all of the publicity material shows her. I also know there is at least one Starglow with white in her mane, so I'm thinking the variations with this set could go on forever...

Thanks for sharing that info about the darker body and pink hearts, hilamb. I had not seen her before.  Did you get her on ebay or buy her local to you?

I'm a little bit geeky about variants like this, within normal sets :D.

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MLP Nirvana / Re: Alternate Pose Ponies: What would you choose?
« on: March 13, 2015, 04:32:22 PM »

This is probably a minority one but when I was a kid, in the UK comic they made the DnP ponies Songster and Player pegasus ponies. I would still like to see the pegasus Songster (although I think there was a prototype photo I saw once with her in Wind Whistler's pose) just because at the time I felt really sad she didn't have wings like the comic said.


I am in total agreement with you on this Taffeta. The past week I've been watching the vintage pony commercials, looking at all my leaflets, scans of catalogues and comic adverts. The Wind Whister pose pony features both in the comic and one of the adverts, she looks so cool in that pose with her tail helicoptering round!

Love pkw xxx

I had no idea till you said that that that commercial was online :D I appreciate you mentioning it cos I went looking for it ;). (They're really asking for trouble making them spin tails so close together. Bad things can happen when you do that >.>)

You're right, they both look cool that way and it would have so worked. I knew I'd seen her like that before. Ah well. Maybe one day someone will find one of them ;)

I wonder why they changed their mind...this was one of the few ponies as a kid that I wanted most from the set and I was so sad when I got her and she wasn't a pegasus!


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Pony Corral / Glowing Magic/Glow N Show Ponies Question...
« on: March 13, 2015, 04:07:37 PM »
So this has been on my mind a bit lately because it's one of those irritating variation things that is just floating around without any proper documentation.

Glowing Magic/Glow n Show Ponies. I'm curious to know how many versions of some of these ponies there actually are.

This is what I know about thus far.
Dazzleglow (images on link below to save loading time)
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/dazzleglow.htm

#1, opaque body. Straight hair. Pink hearts and yellow stars. Mine sadly hasn't got the silkiest hair so I can't be certain but I think from other photos I've seen she should have straight hair from issue. Hair is pale pink (probably not fading) and pale blue. Found loose in the UK, confirmed MOC for the UK. Believe to be available in the US too.

#2, translucent body. Straight hair. Blue hearts and yellow stars. The hair on this one is paler and probably fadeable pink, the blue is more aqua. Hair is silky and straight. Bought from the US. Confirmed MOC for the US. Not confirmed for the UK.

Starglow
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/starglow.htm

#1 Opaque dark blue body. Dark pink (same shade as birthflower ponies) and yellow mane and tail. Somewhat rougher texture hair though not curly. Pink hearts and yellow stars. Bought new in the UK in 1991-2. Confirmed Mint on UK card.

#2 Opaque, dark blue body but somehow not as dark as the one above. Coral and yellow mane and tail, silky and straight/wavy. Pink hearts and yellow stars. Bought from the US. Have seen similar on US style card. Not confirmed for the UK.

HappyGlow (I'm not linking this page because I think I have my pictures confused).

This is what I believe exists but my sister's childhood one is in storage and I cannot get it to check which it is. I know blue hair was sold definitely in the UK. I need more information about Happyglow especially.

#1 Translucent body, blue and white mane and tail
#2 Opaque body, blue and white mane and tail
#3 Opaque body, aqua and white mane and tail

Brightglow
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/brightglow.htm
#1 (pictured): Opaque body, very orange, hair is silky dark pink and curly lavender, this both from factory release. This is my childhood pony from 1991/2, bought in the UK.

I know that there is also a version with straight silky hair in both colours. I believe this to be sold in the US and the UK, but I have not got any images to support it at present.

Basically what I want to know is what kind of GnS ponies people have, with pictures if possible. Where they got them, (MOC pictures would be great), and so on.

I'm not going to use anyone's images for the site unless I'm given permission. I am just trying to clear it up at the present time because Happyglow and Brightglow in particular are driving me a bit nuts.

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Trucker (4-Speed) without discolouration or fading in his hair :) I am quite proud of him though I don't have his necktie ><

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Posey (G&S/Original) with pink hair and...

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Lickety Split too.

I hate faded pink hair ><

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Pony Brag Arena / Re: my first g1 pony!!
« on: March 13, 2015, 03:31:32 PM »
Congratulations!!

The thing that makes her all the special is that she's been passed down from someone in the family who cared for her to you. She looks like she was well looked after, too, and she looks happy on your pony shelf.

Of course, now she'll start wanting friends ;) You might end up needing a bigger shelf!

And yep, that's definitely Ripple, so as ponyqueen said, you do have two already! :D Double the fun ;)


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Pony Corral / Re: Symbol or Cutiemark?
« on: March 13, 2015, 03:24:28 PM »
I've heard some folk use motif as well, now I think of it, on ID sites (maybe in the past more than now?)

Or if you wanted to be posh, insignia ;)

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MLP Nirvana / Re: Alternate Pose Ponies: What would you choose?
« on: March 13, 2015, 02:34:27 PM »
I think German Night Light would look fabulous in a pose like Confetti's.
I did an idiot doubletake on this one, because Nightlight and Wedding Bells Confetti are in the same pose, and then I realised you meant the US walking one xD.

This is probably a minority one but when I was a kid, in the UK comic they made the DnP ponies Songster and Player pegasus ponies. I would still like to see the pegasus Songster (although I think there was a prototype photo I saw once with her in Wind Whistler's pose) just because at the time I felt really sad she didn't have wings like the comic said.

For other ends, Snowflake and Cherries Jubilee in the shy pose or in Posey's pose. I never did like the pose they're in, although I'm fond of them as ponies.

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Pony Corral / Re: Ponies which are NEVER discussed
« on: March 13, 2015, 02:26:08 PM »

One pony I don't see too much love for is Medley. I absolutely love her color scheme and symbols. She's probably my most wanted pegasus.

I also totally agree that Butterscotch belongs here. I'm not sure if it's because she's one of the original six or because her colors are slightly more "reall". It could be another reason all together. But she doesn't get enough attention.

My last "needs more attention" spotlight goes to the beautiful Sunbeam. Hey, it's not her fault she was released beside Glory and Moondancer. :lol: I love all three of them, but I adore how different Sunbeam looks next to those two.

As a kid, I remember being obsessed with Medley and Glory. They were two of the first MIP ponies I had when I got online, I think. They put them in all our comics, but never sold them, so I always think of them as really well out there. Also, Medley had the whole thing about drumming thunder on the clouds with her hooves and waving her tail to make music like a harp. I always found that way cooler than Firefly, but Firefly does tend to overshadow her in people's attention.

Most of the SHS ponies seem to be ignored, especially the later ones. Maybe it's because they weren't sold everywhere, I dunno - but I can't remember many discussions on the Pretty Ponies...


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Pony Corral / Re: Symbol or Cutiemark?
« on: March 13, 2015, 02:22:44 PM »

Quote

OK EVERYONE, WE'VE SOLVED IT. LET'S ALL CHANGE FROM SYMBOL AND CUTIE MARK TO "RUMP DESIGN"

 :biggrin:  ;)

The irony of that is that as a kid I always called it a rump mark, and I didn't even know really what the word rump meant when I was four or five years old. I wondered where I got that from; clearly Hasbro promotion seeping into my brain.

I use symbol now. Exclusively, because that was how I was brainwashed when I came to the pony community in 97 XD. Rump Mark seemed kinda rude then, somehow.

 I don't use G4 terminology, ever - it belongs to G4, which I don't collect, and I have a twitch about new terminology being applied anachronistically to older generations of MLP. Plus symbol sounds more collector-y to me. I am trying to remember what the UK comics called them, because they referred to such things with ponies like the Magic Message. Maybe they used rump mark...

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MLP Nirvana / Re: Ok... I have to ask....
« on: March 10, 2015, 10:58:10 AM »
Again thanks for that wonderful knowledge Taffeta..
Thats very true. You never know how Hasbro worked back then. . Who knows.. But you do bring a lot of UK knowledge to the table.

And I love when new questions come up because it proves that not all tge questions have been answered. I rather like tricky questions.

You make a lot of valid points about production, too. I also collect Jem but the original line for that was only a few years. Connections have been forged between the fanbase and pretty much everyone who worked on the show and the toy. The end result of that is almost all surviving prototype and production examples are in collector hands.

My little pony is so diverse and ran for so long that any non-conventional find is a mystery. When I was in touch with Hasbro UK in the 1990s, they sent me a printed list of ponies from their catalogue file and a few photocopies...but a couple of things we know were sold here are not on that list. The change of location to South Wales from the South of England probably saw a lot of stuff vanish. If you apply that to MLP's country of origin, the US, and think of the size...its little wonder there are so many missing pieces.

With Rev Gusty, I am naturally cynical of ponies' existence without a clear paper trail. It is possible to me that a factory error Gusty exists with reversed hair but I also remember a spate of custom versions and fakes which a couple if sellers tried to pass off as real. I am unsure we know the locations of all the fakes and its such an easy fake. So it might have existed, but for me it is now impossible to 100 prove one is real because of all the cheating in the past. And, in her case, the UK link is thwarted because the UK never had a release of Gusty with a glittered symbol...meaning we have no valid paper trail to explain her existence, either.

Hence, I don't believe.

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MLP Nirvana / Re: Ok... I have to ask....
« on: March 09, 2015, 12:22:37 PM »
One of the fun things about being a pony collector is not knowing all the answers, but trying to figure them out all the same. I admit that it's something I miss from the early years, when so many things were being uncovered - but I also love how the commuity is now so full of input from all over the place, because it helps fill gaps we weren't previously able to explain (like white tootsie and so on).

Whether it is or isn't a prototype - or, as LadyG says, correctly, we really mean a production run example model - doesn't really bother me right now. Till you have the pony, that can't really be verified.

I commented on this subject mainly because you drew up an old pamphlet as evidence for why this could or should be a UK pony. I have my pamphlet in front of me, and just from glancing at it, the frame right above Megan and Sundance shows Confetti in what looks like Cherries Jubilee's pose. Yes, she was sold in a different pose here, but we all know that wasn't in that pose. I don't have that one scanned, but here are other examples from the same insert which illustrate my point:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/nssinsert.JPG
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mountainboyinsert.JPG
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/inserttwins1.JPG

This insert is obviously not reliable for judging poses. It's personal judgement, but I am more inclined to believe the promotional photographs of the set produced in 1986 and 1987.The UK comic was MLP's advertising lifeblood in the 1980s, and comic photos were generally produced before the pony came into circulation. There are a few which show US pose ponies because the UK release one isn't ready for sale or photo yet. This implies to me that Hasbro UK did not produce their own publicity models unless it was a completely unique set - probably because of budget - and we know that Megan and Sundance were only sold in shy pose in the UK.

The pamphlet you used as evidence dates from 1987, which is the second problem. We're talking about the second release of Megan and Sundance in the UK.

Megan and Sundance had been globally issued for two years by then (1 year in the US, then 1 year as a SS in the US and normal here). As we've discussed, the second UK release of Megan and Sundance was also in the shy pose. In order for this pony to be commissioned by the UK, you're saying that after 2 years of selling a pony in that pose, and all the publicity material relating to it, Hasbro UK spent money to randomly have a CP version made, only to decide not to use it and wind up reverting back to the original after all.

1987 was a year when the Collector Pose was being phased out of the line in favour of new poses.   When Hasbro UK returned to the Collector Pose in 1989, for Lemon Drop's re-release, she was "Made In China." Between 1986 and 1989, Hasbro UK lost connection with the HK Collector Pose. I know this, because as a child my parents had to obtain a Lemon Drop from Hasbro for me for my second hand stable. Hasbro told them they couldn't provide me with an original HK Lemon Drop because she was "no longer available" and I would have to have the "new" one instead. The "new" one was made in China.

As far as I am aware, all Sundances sold legitimately in the UK had no country of manufacture on their hooves. Whilst HK didn't go back to China until 1997, there were various issues at the time which meant that manufacture was transferred. Part of this centred around the combining of Hasbro and Milton Bradley, I think - either way, manufacturing premises underwent change around this time and Sundance was one of the ponies which suffered from that change. Of course, you could argue that that shift inspired them to commission a trial version and I can't honestly disprove that as a theory - I just think that, with a company practically going bust and a move of premises (Hasbro UK relocated around that time), they had other things on their mind.

So, still taking the theory that this IS a prototype, a more likely scenario for what happened is, to my mind, is this. If this was a production model for Sundance predating the pony's release overall, then you have the possibility that this was a trial when they were figuring out the pony they wanted to make. It would fit nicely into the chronology of when that pose was more popularly being produced, and it is even possible there were more, and someone was asked to choose which one they liked best. That would link it to Rhode Island and Hasbro in the US, but it is not impossible for things to get from there to here, as I already mentioned.

Granted, there are still things we don't know about MLP release, like I said at the start. I've had Baby Susie for about 12 years now, but I still have no clue why she's in a different pose, or what she was used for. All I know is that she, like your Sunny Bunch, doesn't match the pamphlet and has no proper provenance. I am just a bit more cynical about ascribing something to a particular location because an Ebay seller said so. I think there's more to be done to find out what ponies like this really mean and whether they are or are not from the country they were found in. The UK's pony history is murky, mixed up and often confused, and that leads to assumptions.

And, just to horrify you even more, I don't believe in Reverse Gusty, either ;) Sorry about that ;)

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MLP Nirvana / Re: Ok... I have to ask....
« on: March 09, 2015, 01:07:58 AM »
Wow. Thanks for all the info taffeta! We greatly appreciate your historical knowledge.

I would like to point out several uk protoypes have been found that dont match up to their proto pamphlets. The mgr in my siggy for example is a uk prototype as well as a painting time pony that i have in my collection. Both dont have pamphlet proof of their existance but are documented to be uk prototypes.

There is and has always been a trend to assign variant pose ponies of unknown provenance to the UK, largely because ponies got shipped here and sold in odd ways at the end of the line. Something being found in the UK does not make it native, either, based on the amount of international trade between us and Europe. The blue heart Dazzleglow is a good example of ponies being labelled UK without them actually being sold here.

There are odd ponies like my baby susie and LadyG's baby billie for whom there are still more questions than answers; my only remark in this debate is that Hasbro were unlikely to commission a prototype for a UK release in 1986/7 when the pony already existed and when they wound up releasing one the same as the US. It isn't financially viable. If we are talking about a projected variation for the UK second release, timescale and the production politics of the time make it unlikely, since HK diasappears from feet around this time. It tends to be something continued by US pony releases and so if she is a prototype, I would suggest the logical point of origin to be the USA. There are still prototypes like the Princess Brush and Grow ponies in Fizzy's pose that have yet to emerge from the US despite being publicised in commercials and despite the huge number of US collectors.

I would be just as sceptical of Sunny Bunch being a UK prototype even if she was bought from a seller here. Market stalls in the middle 1990s sold US release ponies likr TAF babies in barely marked packages and we have seen a plethora of odd Princesses here but all in US box. The UK is a production dumping ground, but that is quite different from it being a UK prototype unless there exists some uniquely UK proven photographic evidence to say otherwise.

Hi Loa :) I'm still alive :)

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MLP Nirvana / Re: Ok... I have to ask....
« on: March 08, 2015, 04:01:51 PM »
LadyG poked me about this, I was at Linnie's Sheffield meet too and if that had been there it would have been discussed. I don't remember any other get togethers at the time cos there were not so many Uk people. Linnie's meet was also later than 1997. 1997 was the first year I was online and the only other Uk people I remember being around then were Sel and Lily. Sel and I met up a few times but there were no meets in the Uk that long ago so maybe it was a more recent meet and she's mistaken about timescale.

Sundance in the Uk was always in the shy pose and I am fairly confident that if this is a prototype it isnt native to the UK because the photo ads for each of the 2 releases also show shy pose prototypes. I think scans of the comic ads are still on my site.

Edit -here
http://www.etherella.com/mlpmedia/advert_ms2.html
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook/advert_ms1.html

Be aware that Uk promotional drawings did not always render pose so faithfully as the US ones so I don't read much into that...also the Uk first had Megan and Sundance after the USA and so a prototype here would be unnecessary. Finally, the year that came out was also a year when HK generally didnt appear on hooves or had been removed from the mould....my UK Sundance is in front of me and she is NC.

So if she did get to the Uk and is a prototype, IMO she must have travelled.

I have never heard of her before, though, so can't add any more than that...

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Pony Corral / Re: MOC G1 Ponies at my local Toy Consignment store!
« on: March 19, 2014, 06:45:59 AM »
Instead of spending that amount of money to decard them, you'd do better buying them, ebaying them at cost and then using the money you make to buy a really minty loose pony with all accessories and still have cash left over for chocolate at the end of it ;) Either that or trading them for a bunch of really minty loose ponies that you really want.

$70-$80 seems a pretty fair price for them MOC but as soon as they're off the card then they're probably only worth $20 which means you'll have wasted your money. Spending $80 on a loose Paradise, even in mint condition with card...is a tad extreme. She's not that rare a pony.

I think it's awesome there are still places where MOC ponies appear, though. Thank you for sharing your pictures xD. I have dreams like that sometimes, so it's nice to know that somewhere in the world it really happens.

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