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Re: My Little Goblins: Failed G4 Mane 6 Reboot (With Pic)
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2025, 04:49:49 PM »
i wish that North America had gotten the comic...
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Re: My Little Goblins: Failed G4 Mane 6 Reboot (With Pic)
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2025, 08:10:49 AM »
Prepare for a long reply! I have had a rubbish day at work and need a pony distraction (though if anyone else gets too irked by this debate, let us know and we can always take it to PM).

I love long replies  ^.^ I too don't mind if we should PM if we're too off topic. I'm enjoying my coffee as I read this
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First and foremost, the G2 school is an annoyance xD. Both the building and the pony are just reusing old pony stuff, so I kind of like to pretend it's not a thing, like, not at all, not just in context of this discussion. Although it is a different shade of pink, so I guess there's that. xD. But then I also feel like because it exists in G2's release line, with a G2 pony, it's not really the same schoolhouse. This one I guess is subjective, though.

I audibly went "No!~" as I giggled reading "the G2 school is an annoyance", I would happily take this annoyance! If I could afford it  :lol: XD

Going back to the real G1 school, however, although it's mostly associated with Tales online I think because of the animation, it was actually not produced for them. It was produced for the 1991 release with the Schooltime and Playschool ponies, and the accessories are basically designed for those characters (Playtime's skipping rope, a xylophone for Musictime, books with sums and such for the babies, etc). I am certain it was meant to come with Lady Lessons, but for some reason she got scrapped before she hit production. (Again, another diversion we don't need to go on now). And it was heavily featured in the comics during 1991 for this reason.

The Tropical Isle setting is an interesting one. In both the US card (I googled) and my childhood card for Sail Away, there's mention of a tropical island, but it's not called the Tropical Isle. In fact, Sail Away's story is a bit existential...lol
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. I don't have the other backcards so haven't looked up their stories.
 
 In the comic, their island was called the Tropical Isle specifically:
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. There were often stories about Mainsail, Tug etc sailing there to trade or visit. I think Sweet Suds may have gone once in a bathtub but I may have misremembered that...
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Nope, I didn't. :)

Not to sidetrack but there's long been an unsubstantiated theory that the MLP Tales series was made and aired in the US but designed as advertisement and promotion in Europe where the ponies were to be sold. Things like football (soccer) instead of a more american game, use of the UK term Glowing Magic (or near enough) rather than Glow & Show, and the inclusion of the UK school playset (which had already been out here for 2 years by this point) among other things. The mention of the Tropical Isle may have also been in that line but again, can't be proven. I think Tales also uses Ponyland as a setting but I may be wrong about this because I might be confusing animation with the comic version of the Tales world.

In any case, the animation (G1 pre-tales) tends to talk more about Dream Valley although Ponyland is still the overall 'country' the ponies live in. Dream Valley is never mentioned in the UK comics afaik, there are a ton of other places mentioned though - places that don't exist in the animation, like Memory Lane, or the Weird Wood, etc etc etc.

Definitely not sidetracking, I'm totally fascinated by this kind of thing still. It's all still new to me, so I love reading your two cents on it. I had totally forgot about the school ponies! I don't see them talked about enough, I suppose it's nice to see some boy ponies in traditionally feminine molds. I am one to believe in that Tales theory, it's odd to me we didn't receive all that many Tales characters while it aired in the US, and then overseas they didn't receive the show at all.

I do think you're right about Ponyland- At least I seem to think so. I always thought Dream Valley is more of a geological local, rather than a continent or country, that was always my interpretation. Valley is in it's name after all, it's sort of like how mountains or lakes are land marks or major parts of a province. We always had ponies needing to leave Dream Valley to travel, at least I seem to remember it that way. I can't help but seem to remember them also saying "Pony Land", maybe that was the Moochick or Paradise? Definitely one of the Princess Ponies. I'm not familiar with the comics, but I most certainly take your word for it. I believe I had read a scan of one once, from Heck Yeah Pony Scans I think, that mentioned Pony Land too.

Side note, poor Sail Away :cry: I suppose that's just another reason to love the Tropical Ponies isn't it? A bit macabre. It took me a minute to realize which pony this was- the naming seems to be flipped for the US. Our Sail Away is Hula Hula, but then UK Hula Hula in the US is Pina Coloda? I do prefer the name Sail Away to Hula Hula, at least for this unicorn.

Does that make the comics and the animation different generations? No, of course not. They are all in Ponyland - just different parts of Ponyland.

Just like G5, despite having its own individual locations, are still in Equestria.

So G5 just don't meet the completely new setting criteria enough (for me) to consider them a full new generation. But Hasbro have spoken and so we do.

(I hoped you enjoyed the random comic sidetrack btw. As an adult, I find the comic hilariously random)

Aw, I suppose I should let it rest  ^.^ I don't mind disagreeing about a pony story. I do respect it though, not everyone could have worded their thoughts so well, and I really enjoyed our conversation on it. Also, I love your random comic sidetracks!

Right. Now, despite you quoting my comment on it so many times I'm sure it's going to haunt me in my sleep tonight  :biggrin: I'm going to just talk a moment about animation and characters.

I think I have that haunting effect on most people! Terribly sorry about that  :P I did quite like the reasoning for the animation :)

Most all of the characters in MLP&Friends and other G1 animation pre-tales bear no resemblance to the backcard stories nor the way they are depicted in the comics. The comics and backcards are more consistent. The UK comics use the characterisation for many of the So Soft ponies to characterise the Movie Star characters - because the Movie Star ponies don't have their own backcard stories. So you have this nuts situation where Magic Star in the comic is based far more on the US So Soft Pony backcard than is the animated version in the US produced My Little Pony Movie et al.

((The only animated character I prefer to the comic/backcard version is Wind Whistler. But WW has two UK depictions and so I'd rather leave her alone because it's a lot more paragraphs and not on topic :).)

On the subject of characters and repeats, that's always going to be a thing, honestly. Especially in kids shows. I mean, you can argue that some of Rarity's traits go back through Rainbow Dash G3 to Heart Throb - but it's still a bit spurious (and again, entirely animation, which, as you know, I don't consider that important to this overall =D) Those characteristics also don't exist in Heart Throb's comic iteration.

This makes a lot of sense to me, seeing how G1 was handled with context of the comics, and then comparing this to how G5 was handled. It does add up a bit doesn't it? It seems there was some more nuance compared to G5. I like to think G1's details and different mediums always give me a reason to come back and enjoy it a bit.

I'm certainly ready for the Wind Whistler essay- she is a pony I'm excited to see more of when I get to through the comics online. Her backcard was very cute to me, so now knowing there's two more interpretations of her in the UK is something to look forward to. I do think if it wasn't for her voice actress and MLP & Friends, I may not have been such a fan though. The same applies to Heart Throb- although, I was a fan of her from when I first saw her. It's the monochromatic thing that appealed to my mind as child, bright colors did work on me hah :lol:

I just mean that with G5 they've been a bit more obvious about it. Maybe if I'm fair, it begins with the Tales ponies, who were undoubtedly the original 'mane cast' ponies, but never had a long enough release period to really become repetitive. We do see that mane cast option in G2 but it's not animated and so much less in your face. G3 did it subtly until 3.5 jumped in, and made it very unsubtle. Then G4 and subsequently G5 have focused the entire line around this core cast of characters. So here is where you really notice the similarities...

I agree with the G3 and 3.5 thing, and certainly with G4 to G5!

I don't think Izzy is Pinkie Pie (I actually like Izzy better, LOL) and I don't think Zipp is Dash. Actually, I think both of them came over better in the G5 movie than the G4 characters do, they're less annoying. So some of those traits have been toned down in G5 and they're not clones. But it's more noticeable given the other similar themes, like Equestria and cutie marks and all that garbage.

(side note, I am at war with the entire concept of cutie marks since people started using the term for G1 ponies. But I digress).

I definitely feel the 'all that garabage' aspect, I'm glad they're not clones to you too! The themes don't help G5's case does it XD

Side note acknowledged again, I too am at war with you. I try to correct myself when if I say Cutie Mark by accident. Although it's not "wrong" technically, it's a retroactive term that sort of erases history to me. I'm just being difficult with myself I think. It doesn't hurt me if others say it, only when I say it. Sort of like I'm losing a bit of the G1 flavor and culture.

In any case, the terminology for generations was defined based on toy line and setting and cast, not on the animation depictions. I think another reason for this was how complex canon is in G1 especially, with a lot of contradictions (as mentioned above). And at the time we came up with them (or LM did, to be specific), we really just needed a way to divide generations after G3 became a thing.

That's so fascinating to me, this should be written in a book somewhere. The origin of Generation in MLP  :lookround: well it sounds melodramatic when I put it like that. I think it's a good thing the terms came about, complexities and all!

G4 changed how MLP works, and G5 has gone with it. Another reason, perhaps, to tie them together. But it is harder to work out how to subdivide G4 let alone how to classify G5. Like I said, Hasbro have spoken, so G5 is and will always be officially G5. It just shows how the line has changed, I suppose.

By magic structure, by the way, the stupids of unicorn magic being this way and earth not having magic and pegasus ponies being this way and yes, I know MLP & Friends and the earlier specials basically stripped the magic from pegasus and earth ponies in a disgusting way, so there is a precedent for that, but not to the same extent.

This makes a lot of sense when you put it this way, I think I see why you feel the way you do about G5. A change in line, but not a big change in integrity?

Thank you for explaining the magic structure more, I have to agree here. I miss when all ponies where described as magical, G1's and G2's wonderful backcards would have inspired me a lot as a child. That's not to say there's not room for a lower magic world, like G3's ponies having fewer magical things and more modern backcards. I don't know if I'm as passionate to say disgusting  :lol: :lol: XD but I feel the pain of G4's and G5's odd rules, too.

I'm a comic kid, though. I have seen all of the animated G1 episodes more than once, but as a kid I mostly disregarded them where they disagreed with the comics or used names I wasn't familiar with.  And unlike the animated G1 series, the comics covered almost every pony sold in the UK between 1985 and 1994, and even a few that weren't sold here. There's a continuity to the canon and the way the world is built that isn't really present in the G1 animation. The Tropical Isle, for example, can't ever appear in the pre-tales animation because there is none after 1987. We can only use the comic here, because it's basically all there is. (Disclaimer that of course there are ponies sold outside the UK which were NOT included in the comic, but I can't do much about them :( There are still more ponies featured in the comic than in the G1 animation, even taking that on board.)

Thank you for coming to my worn out, incoherent and nonsensical pony ted talk. Have another cookie :)

I quite enjoyed your pony ted talk! I didn't think it was incoherent or nonsensical, although perhaps we just speak the same crazy? Well, that makes a whole forum then doesn't it? If we're all incoherent xD There's no way I could be this organized in thought face to face, so something about typing and writing seems suited to our yapping.

Maybe it's best that there's so many discrepancies in canon, instead of trying to keep worlds and stories contained. It keeps things fresh and gives us plenty to talk about. I suppose that's part of the MLP je ne sais quoi


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Re: My Little Goblins: Failed G4 Mane 6 Reboot (With Pic)
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2025, 02:40:37 PM »
G1 is full of canonical crazies as well, so I think there's also plenty to talk about.

Because most of my reply to you on this is likely to be around G1, I'm going to take it to PM - I feel like that would be sidetracking the thread too much, but since you asked about WW and stuff...;)

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