The MLP Arena
TCB => Trader & Shipping Support => Topic started by: Gaspode on July 29, 2013, 08:03:30 AM
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*** Update: Ebay, after two tries at appealing, have continuously denied my appeal and told me that because I will get the item back (no guarantees if you ask me!) and because the buyer hasn't received the item this is MY fault apparently even though buyer gave me old address. They said under buyer protection they are entitled to their full amount back and told me if I have a problem with it to ASK THE BUYER to give me the postage money back once more... hmm, likely!! Anyway, because of all this I've decided to name the user here so anyone selling MLP can be aware and block her from your items if you don't want to give them away for free and be out of pocket as I am.... ***
katinka_1980
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Help!
So I am in UK. A buyer from Germany bought an MLP from me. After about a week it hadn't arrived. She set up a case against me.
I checked the tracking (I send everything tracked and insured now). It said they had tried to deliver but she wasn't in. I responded to the case with this information and the tracking number.
At this point the buyer informed me (through the resolution messaging centre) that they had moved house and therefore the address they had given me to ship to was old. They said when pony returned to me they would pay again for reposting it on and apologised. I said that was fine nad could they therefore close the case.
Instead of closing the case a few days later they asked me if the pony had returned to me. Of course it had not got to me yet. I suggested they go to their post office and ask if the parcle was there.
Instead, they escalated the case and the result was ebay found in their favour and gave them a full refund for the pony and the £10 postage charge! I am very unimpressed.
I appealed the case decision (it said they found in her favour because I hadn't provided tracking - wrong!)
I've just had a message saying they do not agree with my appeal because the buyer is protected and its my fault for not getting the item to them even though they gave me the wrong address. The email further tells me to "claim on my insurance" - well Royal Mail are hardly going to give me my money back because the buyer gave me wrong address are they?!?
I'm so angry right now and want to formally complain to ebay - any tips? anyone faced this nonsense before? How can I be held responsible for posting to the address I was given? I'm not psychic and can't tell if people have moved house.
If people would like this buyers name to block them I'm happy to help!
- Gaspode
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Oh Gaspode - that sucks - I am sorry, it sounds very unfair :( Ebay seems so stressful now :(
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I would give them a ring, as people on here seem to get more joy out of calling them than emailing. I would also contact Paypal, as they tend to side with the seller when a tracking number is provided. Lovely to know that even with how expensive tracking is it does nothing to protect any one =/
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So if they found in the buyer's favor- did they take the funds out of your paypal ? If so I'm very shocked and I think that the misdirection should be covered under the ebay seller's policy. You provided proof of shipping to a confirmed address- there is no way you should be paying for the lost item. :mad:
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Well I tried to phone them but they refused to speak to me about it because its on my mum's account. So I was just on live chat and someone was helping me with it and then hung up on me! The joys of Ebay :(
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Oh wow! That is so not cool :(
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Hmm ok I'm back on live chat now and they haev told me it was a technical error that caused her to disconnect..... and apparently they have escalated my appeal and that they agree buyer is responsible. I will be contacted within 48 hours apparently.
We'll see.....
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Call them. It's the only way to get anything done on Ebay when you are a seller. It's no fault of yours. What probably happened is several different people handled the case and all they saw was the new address didn't match and didn't look any farther.
Edit: I see you did. That's good!
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Sadly it isn't that different people saw it. The buyer never updated the address nor provided me with new address and ebay acknowledge that the buyer gave me the wrong address. I'll copy what ebay said as I can't believe it to be honest!
"You shipped the My Little Pony toy to your buyer "katinka_1980" however, because of the fact that your buyer had sent you a wrong shipping address, the item was sent back to you (Gaspode note: Incorrect - it is still in Germany waiting at post office for buyer to collect which they haven't bothered to try and do)
. Allow me to assist you with this.
I have reviewed the claim and noticed that we had closed the claim in your buyer's favour, because he is not in possession of the item, which is on the way back to you. The item should be delivered to you shortly. (Gaspode note - If I'm lucky it'll come back but no guarantees and I'm still out the postage through no fault of my own)
We would like to ask you for your understanding that in this particular situation we are forced to deny your appeal."
They then gave me a link to German ebay which they said would explain about why its my responsibility. I dont' read German so used Google Translate which isn't very helpful and it seems that the link is nothing about responsibility.
They then say "If the package was insured you should be able to receive your money back from the delivery company."
erm, nope I don't think they will give me my money back when its not the postage company fault the address was wrong....
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yeah i had an idiotfriendly ebaycase like this :angry: i wanted to say and do sooo much afterwards but in the end i choked it down cause i just hurt myself :( in my case the buyer even HAD the ponystuff!!AND alls his money and shipping from ebay back... it was a hole playset with ponys for less then 4€!
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It might be worth giving Paypal a ring, if you were paid through them. They might have some weight with getting your money back with you as they seem a bit less stupid than Ebay, especially when tracking numbers are involved. I know I'd be sending Ebay back a very polite-but-read-between-the-lines email about how no post service would refund me for a wrong address because as far as they're concerned it's not their fault. I'm so sorry Ebay are being this unhelpful =/
Have you contacted the buyer to ask them what they're playing at when they admitted they were at fault and offered to pay for repeat shipping, yet have yanked their money back? =/
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That's terrible. I really hope this works out :hug:
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I am sorry this happened to you Gaspode. I hate when you have to deal with an irresponsible buyer. It is up to them to make sure their address is up to date, not you.
She also should have waited till it returned back to you and then paid for it to be resent. I mean after all she has 45 days to open a case for something that was clearly her fault. I wouldn't have punished my seller for my mistake.
I hope your pony shows back up to you soon. And it is clearly up to you on what you want to do after that. I am not so sure that I wouldn't just relist it and move on from having another perhaps troublesome transaction with this person.
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Please let us know how this goes! How awful for you... :(
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oh that is terrible : / what is ebay thinking really.
Actually I think the seller is worse cause that is so dishonest of her : / I think it would be good if you shared her id. I still cant get over the ethics of some people that get mentioned on this thread
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So sorry to hear about this. The buyer should have had a forwarding address kept at the post office if they moved recently. If not, shame on the buyer for not updating after all this time. It would have been less hassle to contact their post office and sort it out rather than drag you into this with ebay.
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Oh man, you are definitely not at fault here. I really hope eBay will be able to resolve this for you!
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I agree, I'd try Paypal since you can technically prove it's at a post office. It's not your fault they didn't change addresses. That really Sucks and poor form on the buyer! Thanks for sharing there ebay name, going on blocked list! They are dishonest for even opening a case when they can see you clearing shipped it. And of course this isn't new behavior for ebay, they seem to be getting worse and worse. If/when the package makes it back to you, then I wouldn't reship to the buyer but consider my transaction with them cancelled. Let them find the pony from someone else. Good luck with everything and I don't think you did anything wrong at all!
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I'm sorry this is happening to you. It's not your fault that the buyer didn't change the address.
When I moved a couple of years ago I thought I updated my address on everything. One day I bought something on Ebay and didn't realize until after I bought it that Ebay still was using my old address. I think my address was correct with Paypal though. When I realized that I sent the seller a really nice message telling them that I had moved recently and had somehow overlooked updating the address there. The seller was really nice and said she had the right address from Paypal and shipped my item to the new address.
I wouldn't have blamed the seller for shipping it to the wrong address at all because I forgot to update it. It's not your fault that the buyer didn't update their address or let you know they had moved until after you shipped the pony.
Ponyfan
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if you need any german translation help, just drop me a line.
ebay has changed so much the last years *sigh*
I had a similar thing too once - not nice.
xx
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Oh my goodness what an annoying frustrating situation! Ebay just keeps getting worse! how can they possibly side with the buyer over this when its clearly her own fault?! :crazy: :yikes:
I agree, I'd try Paypal since you can technically prove it's at a post office. It's not your fault they didn't change addresses. That really Sucks and poor form on the buyer! Thanks for sharing there ebay name, going on blocked list! They are dishonest for even opening a case when they can see you clearing shipped it. And of course this isn't new behavior for ebay, they seem to be getting worse and worse. If/when the package makes it back to you, then I wouldn't reship to the buyer but consider my transaction with them cancelled. Let them find the pony from someone else. Good luck with everything and I don't think you did anything wrong at all!
I'd agree with this advice ^^ Ebay arent likely to do anything else to help you out at this point , but it wont hurt to try Paypal as well. Also I dont think I'd want to deal with this buyer again either. There's no way the pony would have arrived back in the UK within a week - you'd be fortunate if it was 3 weeks! opening and escalating a case on you was not fair when the buyer had made the mistake of first not updating her addresss and second not going to the PO to collect the pony which had been delivered to her old address (or arranging for someone to collect it or for it to be forwarded to her new address if the distance was too far to collect), and then she has got her money back and is expecting the pony to be sent back to you and then for you to resend it again??!! er no.
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Ebay still denied my appeal and said I should ask the buyer nicely if they will pay me the out of pocket costs of posting the item since it is their fault. yes, I really think now you've refunded her she'll give me the money back again (esp considering she was the one who elected to escalate the claim). Likely.
For this reason I've decided to name her and highly recommend anyone selling MLP block her quickly before you are forced to pay to ship stuff to her for free.
katinka_1980
Thanks for all the help and advice, too bad Ebay just don't really like sellers (even though we are the ones paying their fees!!)
- Gaspode
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You actually already named her in this post and that is how I already blocked her ;) But it's good you made it more noticeable. That seriously sucks! When you get the pony back, maybe let her know but tell her shipping will be higher this time to cover your loss due to Her mistake. But I wouldn't personally do business with her.
Did you try Palpal?
Sadly it isn't that different people saw it. The buyer never updated the address nor provided me with new address and ebay acknowledge that the buyer gave me the wrong address. I'll copy what ebay said as I can't believe it to be honest!
"You shipped the My Little Pony toy to your buyer "katinka_1980" however, because of the fact that your buyer had sent you a wrong shipping address, the item was sent back to you (Gaspode note: Incorrect - it is still in Germany waiting at post office for buyer to collect which they haven't bothered to try and do)
. Allow me to assist you with this.
I have reviewed the claim and noticed that we had closed the claim in your buyer's favour, because he is not in possession of the item, which is on the way back to you. The item should be delivered to you shortly. (Gaspode note - If I'm lucky it'll come back but no guarantees and I'm still out the postage through no fault of my own)
We would like to ask you for your understanding that in this particular situation we are forced to deny your appeal."
They then gave me a link to German ebay which they said would explain about why its my responsibility. I dont' read German so used Google Translate which isn't very helpful and it seems that the link is nothing about responsibility.
They then say "If the package was insured you should be able to receive your money back from the delivery company."
erm, nope I don't think they will give me my money back when its not the postage company fault the address was wrong....
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Thanks for the update! I have updated my Bad Trader List now... :(
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Did you ever try talking to PayPal? They tend to care more.
If you manage to get the pony back, I certianly wouldn't sell it to her again, I would just block her and try again. If you can leave her negative feedback/comments, if you've already left her feedback you can go back and leave a comment on your feedback about it.
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Ugh! This is horrible! Moreso, on ebay's part, but the member is going on my blocked list too. For all we know, this could be something they do frequently since there's nothing to stop them from picking up the item at the post office at some point.
Talking to Paypal might be a good idea. I would also get an official answer from the post office about the insurance. It can't hurt to ask. If they deny it, then I would post all this information on the ebay community board, as a warning for other sellers.