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Title: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: otocolobus_manul on June 21, 2018, 05:05:20 PM

I finally got the time to be able to start cleaning my Fair ponies, and as I was washing Morning Glory's hair, to my horror, I looked down and saw that the entire botttom third of her mane had come off in my hands.

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I've never heard of a non-Avon pony having this issue before! In all my years of cleaning G3s from various sources, I've never had this happen. Are there any other ponies - besides the usual Avon offenders - that have this issue? I'm terrified to clean the rest of my G3s in case it happens again.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a pony hair-clogged drain to clean  :pout:

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: RoseNoire on June 21, 2018, 05:07:50 PM

Well, I heard of rotting pink which is a sort of magenta pink that does just that, but I don't know which ponies in particular have it. =/ I'm sorry for you. :(

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Taffeta on June 21, 2018, 05:13:09 PM

I haven't heard it for this pony either. I just checked my list to see if I have her and I don't so I can't really comment on whether it happens or not...but I've never had a G3 pony with hair breakage. I know about the Avon ones and some of the discount ones but not mainstream ones like this? I have had ponies who have had hair breakage because of product left in their hair making it brittle, though. Is it consistently one colour that's rotted or could it be this?

Also wondering why the Wiki says this pony is called Sweet Summertime outside the US, when she's not...O.o.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: otocolobus_manul on June 21, 2018, 05:27:15 PM

Quote from: Taffeta on June 21, 2018, 05:13:09 PM

I haven't heard it for this pony either. I just checked my list to see if I have her and I don't so I can't really comment on whether it happens or not...but I've never had a G3 pony with hair breakage. I know about the Avon ones and some of the discount ones but not mainstream ones like this? I have had ponies who have had hair breakage because of product left in their hair making it brittle, though. Is it consistently one colour that's rotted or could it be this?

Also wondering why the Wiki says this pony is called Sweet Summertime outside the US, when she's not...O.o.

It was the dark orange that broke off :( I wonder if that color is prone to rotting?

Huh, product being left in is a possibility. I really can't think of what else would've caused this.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Matcha on June 21, 2018, 06:00:10 PM

I've had this happen to a pair of G3s stored in a glass cabinet for a couple of years, might be light exposure that does this? Both their hair is super break-y ): Or maybe the heat? I do live in a pretty hot and humid country...

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on June 21, 2018, 06:23:48 PM

Oh no! My Morning Glory is one of my favorite G3s I own, I hope this never happens to her! I had also heard of this issue happening to more budget ponies, like the ones just sold on cards as opposed to in boxes, but I've never heard of it happening to ones like this before, oh dear.

*clings tightly to my Morning Glory*

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: otocolobus_manul on June 21, 2018, 07:25:51 PM

Quote from: Matcha on June 21, 2018, 06:00:10 PM

I've had this happen to a pair of G3s stored in a glass cabinet for a couple of years, might be light exposure that does this? Both their hair is super break-y ): Or maybe the heat? I do live in a pretty hot and humid country...

Do you happen to remember which ones? Did they have dark orange hair?

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Matcha on June 21, 2018, 09:12:53 PM

Quote from: otocolobus_manul on June 21, 2018, 07:25:51 PM

Quote from: Matcha on June 21, 2018, 06:00:10 PM

I've had this happen to a pair of G3s stored in a glass cabinet for a couple of years, might be light exposure that does this? Both their hair is super break-y ): Or maybe the heat? I do live in a pretty hot and humid country...

Do you happen to remember which ones? Did they have dark orange hair?

Nope, it was I wish I may and Starsong.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 21, 2018, 11:16:59 PM

Quote from: Taffeta on June 21, 2018, 05:13:09 PM

Also wondering why the Wiki says this pony is called Sweet Summertime outside the US, when she's not...O.o.

I think what they're saying is she was released once under her own name, then rereleased later under the name Sweet Summertime in some countries.  Possibly with the "beach" playset that Sweet Summertime came in in the US.

I googled around a bit and found this TP thread mentioning it:

http://www.mlptp.net/index.php?threads/sweet-summertime.68656/

It had links to other threads about Morning Glory / Sweet Summertime but unfortunately the links are broken.  But judging from the names of the links (38343-sweet-summertime-morning-glory.html and 11489-factory-error-sweet-summertime-playset.html ) I am guessing that the "misnaming" did happen.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Taffeta on June 22, 2018, 12:22:28 AM

Quote from: LadyMoondancer on June 21, 2018, 11:16:59 PM

Quote from: Taffeta on June 21, 2018, 05:13:09 PM

Also wondering why the Wiki says this pony is called Sweet Summertime outside the US, when she's not...O.o.

I think what they're saying is she was released once under her own name, then rereleased later under the name Sweet Summertime in some countries.  Possibly with the "beach" playset that Sweet Summertime came in in the US.

I googled around a bit and found this TP thread mentioning it:

http://www.mlptp.net/index.php?threads/sweet-summertime.68656/

It had links to other threads about Morning Glory / Sweet Summertime but unfortunately the links are broken.  But judging from the names of the links (38343-sweet-summertime-morning-glory.html and 11489-factory-error-sweet-summertime-playset.html ) I am guessing that the "misnaming" did happen.

The distinction between US and International is an annoyingly vague one. It doesn't specify where in the big wide rest of the non-US world this happened.

I guess the point I was making was not that there couldn't ever have been a factory error, but you can't just say in some random vague international place this happened, without any real images or concrete proof to back it up.  I remember Morning Glory being sold here as Morning Glory.

I am categorically against sweeping assumptions being made about things in "international" locations.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 22, 2018, 07:07:13 AM

Unfortunately a lot of G3 sources have disappeared off the internet.  :(   The My Little Pony Rereleases Encyclopedia is no longer with us, but The Wayback Machine shows it having an entry for Sweet Summertime and Sweet Summertime II, which given the other piecemeal info, is presumably the pony otherwise known as Morning Glory.  Unfortunately The Wayback Machine did not preserve the pages for individual ponies, they are just broken links now.  :(

We should cling to the information we have even, if it's not precise, so that it's not totally lost.  It's really regrettable to think that we have better information on how G1 ponies were released than G3s.  (Because between being rereleased in double packs, playsets, triple sets, Costco sets, they were all over the place.)  I think we all just assumed the websites that were cataloging them would be around forever.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: WaterDraw on June 22, 2018, 10:41:55 AM

I've never actually heard of pony hair rotting or anything like that!  :shocked: can someone inform me more about this please?

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Mlp Sunsparkle on June 22, 2018, 11:07:58 AM

I am so sorry to see that her hair has broken off! I haven’t seen that happen on her either. It could be sun exposure, but if she seems generally bright and not faded, it could be a bad batch. I’ve had issues with jade garden: she has easily wrecked (looks like Pom poms on the ends) hair and I had both with this issue. Last week I found a jade garden with the loveliest hair, super silky and beautiful. I feel like there is good and bad hair, especially with the later g3s and core 7 pinkie and star song. However I also have a very faded honoluloo who’s hair has never broken off, suggesting that the sun isn’t always the only cause of this.

Quote from: WaterDraw on June 22, 2018, 10:41:55 AM

I've never actually heard of pony hair rotting or anything like that!  :shocked: can someone inform me more about this please?

On some g3s, they have bad quality hair that is prone to drying out and becoming brittle, and it usually falls off when touched or pinched. Ponies with this issue include:

Spoiler

Green Apple, Peach Surprise (orange stripes), Jazz Matazz (pink stripes), Tea Lily (pink stripes), wave catcher (orange stripes), sunrise

Personally, I’d be careful with any matte/less shiny than usual looking pink or orange hair. I have had the following ponies have their hair break off:
petal blossom, rainbow flash (pink and orange), frilly frocks (light pink), fancy flora (pink) on the affected hair I often see little white dots and thin white strings on the strand (don’t know what they are though!)

Re: sweet summertime

Spoiler

In 2008, a few 2005, many 2006, and some 2007 ponies were re released with no hoof hearts or magnets, just a white cover. I believe that this is where her other name came from. I’m sure that on the re release encyclopaedia, there was an mib picture of her with the box saying sweet Summertime. This was a 2008 release, With the white cover.  I assume that almost all of these no magnet variants were sold in the U.K. (not only here though) as I have seen most of them pop up and own quite a few. I don’t know where else they were sold though. This version may be less common (loose and mib because she was released the year before these versions came out, so her original was probably sat on the shelves before the new one could get to a lot of stores

Hope this is helpful,
Mlp Sunsparkle :)

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: ashlyne on June 22, 2018, 01:09:18 PM

Is the tail hair breaking off too?  I wonder if they used a glue in the mane stitching that's breaking down the mane hair, which would leave the tail hair unaffected.   

It really makes me scared to even touch my G3 collection anymore, let alone think about what it'll look like in another 10 years!

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on June 22, 2018, 01:19:28 PM

Also the G3 TRU Exclusive pack that includes Princess Peppermint , all of those ponies have TERRIBLE hair.  It just breaks apart and dissolves....  :( 

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: otocolobus_manul on June 23, 2018, 07:06:55 AM

Quote from: lovesbabysquirmy on June 22, 2018, 01:19:28 PM

Also the G3 TRU Exclusive pack that includes Princess Peppermint , all of those ponies have TERRIBLE hair.  It just breaks apart and dissolves....  :(

Oh no! I haven't had that happen with mine... yet. So many g3s have this problem!

I also remember finding a Peachie Keen at the flea market who had lost all her tail except for the tinsel.

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Quote from: ashlyne on June 22, 2018, 01:09:18 PM

Is the tail hair breaking off too?  I wonder if they used a glue in the mane stitching that's breaking down the mane hair, which would leave the tail hair unaffected.   

It really makes me scared to even touch my G3 collection anymore, let alone think about what it'll look like in another 10 years!

The tail is fine - that shade of dark orange wasn't used in the tail. I wonder if the glue did trickle down into the lowest section of her mane? It's a possibility.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: cookifaa on June 23, 2018, 07:55:44 AM

I've never experienced anything like this with any of my ponies before, how strange!

My Morning Glory's hair is perfectly intact (i even tugged it to see if it would snap and it did't), and shes been exposed to the elements over and over again.

Maybe she's come into contact with chemicals that no-ones noticed, and they'e damaged the hair fibers to the point of snapping when you washed them?

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on June 23, 2018, 08:15:32 AM

I just remember, with my Princess Peppermint,  as I was untangling the bits of plastic floss that keep G3 hair sewn up into those strips, the whole plastic strip came off in my hand.  WITH PONY HAIR ATTACHED.  and when I tried to gather up the hairs to put them into a ziptie, the strands just kept snapping and twisting into shorter and shorter split ends that couldn't be used.  She had a few plugs of hair left but it was really really sparse and if you tried to brush them, the hair fell apart. 

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: WaterDraw on June 23, 2018, 05:56:39 PM

Quote from: Mlp Sunsparkle on June 22, 2018, 11:07:58 AM

I am so sorry to see that her hair has broken off! I haven’t seen that happen on her either. It could be sun exposure, but if she seems generally bright and not faded, it could be a bad batch. I’ve had issues with jade garden: she has easily wrecked (looks like Pom poms on the ends) hair and I had both with this issue. Last week I found a jade garden with the loveliest hair, super silky and beautiful. I feel like there is good and bad hair, especially with the later g3s and core 7 pinkie and star song. However I also have a very faded honoluloo who’s hair has never broken off, suggesting that the sun isn’t always the only cause of this.

Quote from: WaterDraw on June 22, 2018, 10:41:55 AM

I've never actually heard of pony hair rotting or anything like that!  :shocked: can someone inform me more about this please?

On some g3s, they have bad quality hair that is prone to drying out and becoming brittle, and it usually falls off when touched or pinched. Ponies with this issue include:

Spoiler

Green Apple, Peach Surprise (orange stripes), Jazz Matazz (pink stripes), Tea Lily (pink stripes), wave catcher (orange stripes), sunrise

Personally, I’d be careful with any matte/less shiny than usual looking pink or orange hair. I have had the following ponies have their hair break off:
petal blossom, rainbow flash (pink and orange), frilly frocks (light pink), fancy flora (pink) on the affected hair I often see little white dots and thin white strings on the strand (don’t know what they are though!)

Re: sweet summertime

Spoiler

In 2008, a few 2005, many 2006, and some 2007 ponies were re released with no hoof hearts or magnets, just a white cover. I believe that this is where her other name came from. I’m sure that on the re release encyclopaedia, there was an mib picture of her with the box saying sweet Summertime. This was a 2008 release, With the white cover.  I assume that almost all of these no magnet variants were sold in the U.K. (not only here though) as I have seen most of them pop up and own quite a few. I don’t know where else they were sold though. This version may be less common (loose and mib because she was released the year before these versions came out, so her original was probably sat on the shelves before the new one could get to a lot of stores

Hope this is helpful,
Mlp Sunsparkle :)

Is there any known solution to fix or prevent this from happening or is it just one of those things that is unpreventable?

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: kissthethunder on June 23, 2018, 08:45:56 PM

I checked the ponies mentioned outside of the avons and found none of mine have the problem. Silky, sturdy, still attatched.

I'm starting to wonder if the problem might be a matter of hydration? Even my Sunset who I just adore who has been seen to loose her hair still has hers very sturdy and silky. Back when G3's were still available I deep conditioned and styled every pony I got into my collection. The pony of the day here at the arena also spurns me to pull ponies from my collection and check their condition for photoshoots.

I will say I'm disappointed this problem isn't exclusive to the avon set and is showing up elsewhere. It's making me a bit worried about their longevity for collective purposes.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 23, 2018, 09:23:19 PM

My Princess Peppermint is okay so far, but I'm scared for her.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: RoseNoire on June 23, 2018, 11:52:51 PM

I don't have those ponies yet and the ones I have don't seem to have this issue. I really hope this is not a potential problem for all G3s under certain conditions. I might have another look at them all when I come back home, you made me worried. ^^

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Wardah on June 24, 2018, 12:51:25 AM

Could it just have been something that happened with play?

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Elfpony on June 24, 2018, 05:28:56 AM

I wonder if it could also be a batch issue, since some people are saying they see issues on certain ponies while other people’s ponies are fine. Could be a question of one factory using cheaper hair. Could also be an age/play issue - I’ve had the odd G1 come to me with hair so dried out that it fell out as soon as I touched it.

In my own collection the only ponies I’ve seen problems with are the Avon and discount ponies with that rotting pink. However, I wouldn’t be surprised to see this start to happen with the newer G4s as well, since they’ve cheaper out on the hair with some of those.

Elf

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: invaderhorizongreen on June 24, 2018, 07:15:39 AM

I had a gen 3, I have to find her, she is now a blond rehair, her hair rotted away the moment I found them at the thrift store. I dont know if it was due to hair spray, or just plain rot. She was one bald pony, after a bath.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Taffeta on June 24, 2018, 03:37:13 PM

Quote from: lovesbabysquirmy on June 22, 2018, 01:19:28 PM

Also the G3 TRU Exclusive pack that includes Princess Peppermint , all of those ponies have TERRIBLE hair.  It just breaks apart and dissolves....  :( 

I have that set and (touch wood) none of them have any issues. But I am slightly worried that this is the future of the G3 ponies in general. I had the set from the US, from a friend who picked them up new for me, so I've had them a while but while she deboxed them to send them to me, they've only been displayed and stored...



@MlpSunsparkle, thank you for that, learn something new every day :D Never ever saw that here once. Although I feel like I had Morning Glory once, I don't have her now - but she was definitely Morning Glory on the box.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: SilverLinedStars on June 27, 2018, 04:55:17 PM

I had this issue with Peachy Keen and a purple baby G3 who's name currently escapes me. The thing was, at the time the ponies weren't even that old. I noticed this issue back in 2012, so it's not like these sat around in poor conditions for 15 years. As many others have said, it could have been a batch issue. I just remember going to tidy things up one day and all the sudden I had a handful of pink hair!

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on June 27, 2018, 04:59:38 PM

What's more worrisome is that many of these G3's have had easy lives - they've been collector pieces since they were bought in the store, not exposed to countless hours of kid play.  That they're already exhibiting chronic issues under near ideal conditions points not to environmental factors but more likely an inherent manufacturing flaw.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Taffeta on June 28, 2018, 03:39:44 AM

I am wondering if these issues are worse or better on ponies in different regions. G3 is not like g1 where most stuff came to the US first so it may be that they cut costs on later batches and those could show up anywhere.

Climate also may be an issue but seems less that than bad batches. I ask about regions because the US release often bundled up ponies as freebies in ways other places didn't. Could some of the quality issues relate to this??

The discount release ponies were also only US I think so it makes you wonder if sone of them were made on the cheap to maximise profit through multipack offers.

It can be hard when finding a loose pony to know the release unless there is a major difference. I haven't had any of these hair issues yet although I have ponies from both here and the US - but none of mine came from bundled multipacks...

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: SkyCakes on June 28, 2018, 08:51:57 AM

Poor morning glory shes so cute. I have to watch out for signs of this it makes me sad.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on June 28, 2018, 02:11:55 PM

Canada also got the discount ponies, freebie pack-ins and Avon ponies.  I've run across several with the 'rotting pink' amongst those.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Taffeta on June 28, 2018, 04:25:07 PM

Quote from: Baby Sugarberry on June 28, 2018, 02:11:55 PM

Canada also got the discount ponies, freebie pack-ins and Avon ponies.  I've run across several with the 'rotting pink' amongst those.

Seems a plausible possibility then?

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Syreada on June 28, 2018, 06:10:18 PM

I've had this happen to an Avon pony (Jazzmatazz) but reading through the thread this seems common? I'm honestly relieved it wasn't just mine. But I can throw a wrench in the "light exposure" theory. Her hair was fine for years, her buddies was a little wild but nothing horrible. Mine has been in storage the last 4 years. a nice temperature controlled storage facility. I took her out and brushed her hair (which showed no signs of degrading at all) and JUST THE PINK snapped off at the roots. weirdest thing I've ever seen. Her tail pink seems fine but she's got 2 bald streaks in her mane now, poor thing.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on June 28, 2018, 09:42:08 PM

It's most common (from anecdotal evidence) and first reported with the Avon ponies, yes - even those that have been kept in pristine condition.

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: ashlyne on June 29, 2018, 05:45:21 AM

For those of you that are running into this problem, it seems to just snap off at the root.   Is the rest of it brittle? Can you break it halfway down the mane, or is it just weak at the root plug?

Title: Re: Help! G3 Morning Glory prone to hair breakage?!
Post by: BlushingBlue on June 29, 2018, 09:24:17 AM

Quote from: ashlyne on June 29, 2018, 05:45:21 AM

For those of you that are running into this problem, it seems to just snap off at the root.   Is the rest of it brittle? Can you break it halfway down the mane, or is it just weak at the root plug?

In my own experience, it's brittle all the way down, but I've only run into the "rotting" pink and peach, not any other colors. (So far!) I think it might break at the root so often because there's a lot of bending near the plug line, thanks to gravity, so that might be a natural weak point in the hair fibers. But even if you're careful not to put tension on the roots when brushing, the hair can just snap off mid-shaft.

I was resigned to the state of affairs with the discount ponies, but now that these things are being reported with new ones like Morning Glory, I'm really scared for the longevity of my G3s. :cry: