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Title: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: TornadoTwist on May 15, 2014, 11:47:55 AM
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We, authors of MLPMerch have done some research regarding the chinese MLP Plushies. And want to share it with you!
Article here: http://www.mlpmerch.com/2014/05/are-12-inch-mlp-plushies-fake.html#more

The last weeks we got a lot of new Chinese 12 inch plushies, recognizable by the green "12 inch" logo they all have on the product image. They're all of amazing quality, but because they are only available on Ebay, Taobao and Alibaba, a lot of people are thinking they are fake.
Well... are they? The answer is kind of a mix between and yes and a no. We found out the origin of these pluhies, and want to share our research with you!

Read our complete research after the cut!


The Tags

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 My Little Pony Japanese Plush Tag

Thanks to an anonymous visitor of our blog we have a detailed photo of the tags that come with (some) of the plushies, seen above. The tag is fully Japanese, but thanks to an editor some info has been translated. However it's still not clear (to us) what the name of the production company is. Backtracking the EAN code did not result in any success either. The exact code is also used for another plush, and the generalised code is used for a broad range of plushies, all with the typical green 12 inch logo. Neither do shorter parts of the EAN code lead anywhere to a company name, besides the fact that it's a Japanese code. Besides the, for now, unfindable company information, the tag does not mention Hasbro anywhere. This might mean that the plushies are not licensed to begin with, but it's possible that the other side of the tag contains more info.
For now the tag is a dead end. Perhaps another place could lead to more info?

The Reailers / Resellers
 While the tag isn't too keen on sharing information with us, perhaps the sellers of the plushies are able to give more information? Sadly all listings (so far) do not list any information about the origin of the plushies, neither on eBay nor Taobao nor Alibaba.
Besides the marketplace listings, there are also a few retail shops that sell the plushies. We've sought email contact with one of them, but without any results. They know as much as we did at that point.
We went back to eBay and found out that some products have an SKU. We wondered if multiple sellers shared the same SKU? They did, even when the sellers came from different locations. So, who comes up with the SKU codes? That question led to google, and google led us to...

The Wholesaler
The search led to a site full of plushies and anime products: FrontWinner.com. But FrontWinner is not the wholesaler of the plushies... As seen in their FAQ and after contact with customer support they produce the plushies themselves! FrontWinner allows users to send in a product (image), and when enough people support the item, FrontWinner will mass-produce it. And when we take a look at the production dates of the plushies, they are in line with the dates they are found on Taobao and eBay. There is a direct link with the production line of FrontWinner, and the release of these plushies on marketplaces on the web.
As you can see on the wish page, there are quite a lot of pony plushies people want to see next. We'll have to see whether FrontWinner recreates them, or if they are ignored (some plushies still have the original DeviantArt copyright on the image).
Cheese Sandwich, Fluttershy, Flutterbat and Octavia Plushies on the FrontWinner Wishlist
Are they next?

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Real or Fake?
Many visitors of our blog have commented that the plushies are real, since they are available in Japan (claw machines). The discovery of FrontWinner leads to the conclusion that they are fake, but the problem is that we can't know it for certain.
If you've bought one of the 12 inch plushies with tags, they could possibly be made by the original Japanese factory, and therefor real (though maybe unlicensed). And if your plush was bought on a marketplace using the same SKU as FrontWinner, there is a big chance they are fake.

Nevertheless, the quality of these plushies remains stunning. Even the ones produced by FrontWinner are of far better quality and show-accurateness than some of the licensed plushies available in the USA and Europe if you ask me.


This article is based on our own research, and is subject to change when new insights in the origin of the plushies are found. If you happen to know the origin, a translation of the tag or any other information, feel free to contact us!

We would like to thank all people that have informed us about the plushies!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: moonsugar on May 15, 2014, 12:34:42 PM
I just read the article on your blog and came over here to comment on it! Best article on MLP merch I've read in ages. :biggrin:

Do you personally own any of the knockoff plushies yourself? I own two out of the three major fake Princess Lunas, and I'm considering just collecting all of them for the heck of it.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on May 15, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
I was really curious to see what else was on FrontWinner...but no matter what link I click on, I'm just taken to http://www.frontwinner.com/all :(

Still, I'm glad you went to the trouble of researching these plush. No matter their origin, they are surprisingly great quality and I can't wait to see who else pops up.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Malicieuse on May 15, 2014, 12:50:12 PM
So are they basicly stolen from custom plushie makers?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 15, 2014, 12:57:33 PM
Unfortunately they are certainly fake. It cant be said that they are both "real" and "unlicensed" unfortunately. In this case one completely contradicts the other. If they are real they are licensed and made by a licensee. If they are unlicensed then they are fake products. And there is nothing licensed or legit about them. No licensed company is going to simply "copy" an original artists work without the permission of the original creator. Certainly not a company which goes on to sell products so widely.

FrontWinner is just one of the companies well known for selling unlicensed products of cartoon/anime [basically anything currently trending] lines - normally items which are not readily available any other way. The other main companies are people like YouQ, B2B, Yitang and Yiwu [and I am forgetting a lot of others at the moment :P]. FrontWinner are just a front company - which act as a middle man to the actual factory who will not have their own website/customer contacts but simply use agents/managers [i.e. FrontWinner] to sell their skills to potential customers/clients.

I think the plush are cute and I have no problem with people buying them of course :) To each their own! But I think its worth remembering what you are purchasing. Mainly an illegal product which has been created by stealing the artwork/pattern of an original artist and trading on a line which other legitimate companies have to pay a license to in order to produce the same items.

Packaging is normally unmarked by branding and not manufacturing marks are deliberate in order to make it harder to trace from their manufacturing source. At the end of the day if a company is paying for a license, you can be sure they are going to slap their name and/or website all over at least the tags.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Ossie on May 15, 2014, 01:26:37 PM
Unfortunately they are certainly fake. It cant be said that they are both "real" and "unlicensed" unfortunately. In this case one completely contradicts the other. If they are real they are licensed and made by a licensee. If they are unlicensed then they are fake products. And there is nothing licensed or legit about them. No licensed company is going to simply "copy" an original artists work without the permission of the original creator. Certainly not a company which goes on to sell products so widely.

Thanks for the additional info!
I agree that a plush can't be real and unlicensed, but I ran out of words on describing the plushies :)
If they are not licensed at all, that makes them basicly all fake, but with these plushies there is a second degree of fake.
I'm still not sure what the actual origin of the patterns is. Some sources claim to have seen an official catalogue or japanese origin, other sources claim that they were produced by individual artists.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 15, 2014, 02:03:37 PM
Can I ask what you mean by a second degree of fake product? :) Do you perhaps mean whether these are counterfeit or bootlegs? Essentially all fake MLP are counterfeit as they are clearly trying to reproduce a product and resell themselves as MLP.

The patterns are copied from pictures of designs which are submitted to them or that they find online - plushies created by artists. They may not have broken down the plush seam by seam but the factories are recreating the design. Its a grey area because of course, no doubt the plush they are copying are also unlicensed.

They probably will have a catalogue of items which they can present to potential buyers - most of these agents have fabulous and shiny pdf catalogues they can tempt you with :P However it will contain a mixture of what they have produced as well as what they can produce. When you are mass market counterfeiting to this degree and in such locations you work the same as most legitimate businesses - they have to be well done to produce to such a scale.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 15, 2014, 02:17:17 PM
The patterns are copied from pictures of designs which are submitted to them or that they find online - plushies created by artists. They may not have broken down the plush seam by seam but the factories are recreating the design. Its a grey area because of course, no doubt the plush they are copying are also unlicensed.

The 4DE plushies look this way too, like they've copied valleyviolet's famous pattern.  The fact that the plush is in 2 pieces joined together at the back legs is a trait only her pattern (that I have seen so far) uses. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Ossie on May 15, 2014, 02:21:17 PM
What I ment was that there is an original product (individual artist's design), then it was 'stolen' the first time (what people might claim as real) by the japanese company and then it was 'stolen' again by companies like FrontWinner. It's like an endless chain of copies =p

And it's certainly interresting to see how the MLP counterfeit market works and is expanding almost daily!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 15, 2014, 02:28:02 PM
The patterns are copied from pictures of designs which are submitted to them or that they find online - plushies created by artists. They may not have broken down the plush seam by seam but the factories are recreating the design. Its a grey area because of course, no doubt the plush they are copying are also unlicensed.

The 4DE plushies look this way too, like they've copied valleyviolet's famous pattern.  The fact that the plush is in 2 pieces joined together at the back legs is a trait only her pattern (that I have seen so far) uses. 

For me even though 4DE are licensed I still think that's unacceptable. Its one thing for single artists to gain inspiration from one another for their one off plushes. But there is something a little underhand about a commercial company copying things in order to make money. But maybe its just me :/ And I guess with the style of G4 there is not loads and loads of different style options so its possible some of it is accidental.

Post Merge: May 15, 2014, 02:29:44 PM

What I ment was that there is an original product (individual artist's design), then it was 'stolen' the first time (what people might claim as real) by the japanese company and then it was 'stolen' again by companies like FrontWinner. It's like an endless chain of copies =p

And it's certainly interresting to see how the MLP counterfeit market works and is expanding almost daily!

Are FrontWinner not simply the company supplying the Japanese reseller?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 15, 2014, 02:32:53 PM
Well, valleyviolet seems to be cool with people using her pattern to make money.  Here is the text from her etsy listing:

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You can make as many ponies as you want using these patterns and use them for any purpose, personal or commercial. If you sell your ponies, please mention that my patterns were used. ;)


I guess if 4DE IS using her pattern their only fail is not disclosing that she designed it. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 15, 2014, 02:35:41 PM
Oh its a sold pattern :) Oh that makes a difference then. I misunderstood, sorry :) I thought they were actual plush she made not patterns she was selling. Well the danger when you do that is reuse of course I guess. The same would apply to these fakie makers if they bought patterns officially then they arent doing anything wrong [at least on that side of it :P]
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 15, 2014, 02:40:35 PM
Oh, gosh, sorry, I meant to say the pattern is for sale!  XD  I have it but I don't use it on my plushies.  It makes DIVINE plushies but it can be tricky to get the hang of.  4DE has definitely got the hang of it! 

As for the 12 inch plushies themselves, I have not been able to trace their pattern back to a specific creator.  I have the dark blue S1 Luna plush and her quality is decent.  It's possible they designed their own, and it's possible they legit bought a pattern, I just don't know where they bought it!  YET.  ;) 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on May 15, 2014, 02:56:46 PM
I wish I could see what else is on the wish page. If I try to follow the link I just get redirected to the main page.

I always try to avoid buying bootleg plush when possible, but I am curious to see what designs they have in the works.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Ossie on May 15, 2014, 03:02:04 PM
@hathorcat: It could be that FrontWinner makes them for the japanese company, but I'm not 100% sure on that


@AJLareneg: works fine for me on Firefox and Chrome, but do mind that the charizard is on every page :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 15, 2014, 03:13:11 PM
....but it's possible that the other side of the tag contains more info.

If these tags are the same as the ones stuck to the S1 Luna plush, the other side of the tag is completely blank.  I cut the tags off mine though, so you'd have to get an image from someone else. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Sprinklecupcake on May 15, 2014, 03:14:42 PM
I dont care if they are knockoffs or not, they are WAY better than all these plushies I see availible in the toy section! They already have so many characters, and these plushies are beautiful and show accurate. Best plushies and I love the pricetag! Whoevers making them, keep them coming! :D

I only own Crackle so far, but I feel like I need to buy Cadance and Shining! Heck, I will buy em' all! xD
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Sawkinator on May 15, 2014, 03:17:12 PM
We need to get Chrysalis  on the wish page and into production - I would DIE to have my own plush of her!

It's nice to finally see show-accurate plushes being produced on a large scale - I would rather not shell out hundreds of dollars for a custom plush unless it was of my own character.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 15, 2014, 03:26:53 PM
That seems most likely that the Japanese company is FrontWinners client :) Or simply that FrontWinner are producing the product with a Japanese language tag and producing for that market.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on May 15, 2014, 05:13:16 PM
@hathorcat: It could be that FrontWinner makes them for the japanese company, but I'm not 100% sure on that


@AJLareneg: works fine for me on Firefox and Chrome, but do mind that the charizard is on every page :)

I'm guessing AJLareneg is having the same problem as me... This is what happens (http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee466/niksilp/frontwinnerall.png) when I try and view the site.

I was able to view a small amount of it using Google cache, but otherwise I can't go anywhere on the site at all. :(
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: WhiteHeather on May 15, 2014, 08:48:31 PM
....but it's possible that the other side of the tag contains more info.

If these tags are the same as the ones stuck to the S1 Luna plush, the other side of the tag is completely blank.  I cut the tags off mine though, so you'd have to get an image from someone else.

I have one around somewhere if people want a picture, but yeah it is indeed completely blank inside so it wouldn't be much of a picture.

I bought it before I became more aware of the bootleg market and what it sometimes supports. I would encourage people to not buy these plushies (no matter how nice they look) until we have more information about the company that makes them. Save your money for when 4DE finally gets some of their new designs out. Those look fabulous and are licensed too!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Sapphire-Light on May 15, 2014, 08:52:21 PM
So the patterns are stolen from plushie artists?  :cry:

I hate the Flutterbat episode but that plushie is neat  :shocked:

Cheese Sandish looks well done too  :cool:
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 15, 2014, 08:52:56 PM
So are they basicly stolen from custom plushie makers?

Unfortunately, yes. I've seen a few designs that were completely stolen from the original artist. I've even had the 'pleasure' of them ripping off one of my plush designs.

Post Merge: May 15, 2014, 09:00:33 PM

The patterns are copied from pictures of designs which are submitted to them or that they find online - plushies created by artists. They may not have broken down the plush seam by seam but the factories are recreating the design. Its a grey area because of course, no doubt the plush they are copying are also unlicensed.

The 4DE plushies look this way too, like they've copied valleyviolet's famous pattern.  The fact that the plush is in 2 pieces joined together at the back legs is a trait only her pattern (that I have seen so far) uses.

No worries about the pattern being stolen. In fact, ValleyViolet's pattern was inspired by a fan artist. She briefly talked about it in an old dA journal entry, and even mentioned that 4DE had not stolen her pattern when a few people were worried. You can check it out here: http://valleyviolet.deviantart.com/journal/Plushies-on-Equestria-Daily-Other-Stuff-355651996
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on May 16, 2014, 11:32:38 AM
Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: cadance89 on May 16, 2014, 11:37:27 AM
Does anyone have the Cadance one? It does look really pretty but it would be good to know if what you see is what you get   ^.^
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on May 16, 2014, 11:48:35 AM
As soon as I get her in, I'll post pics :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on May 16, 2014, 07:01:33 PM
Does anyone have the Cadance one? It does look really pretty but it would be good to know if what you see is what you get   ^.^

AJLareneg has it! She posted a pic of Cadance with Shining Armor on her instagram (http://instagram.com/p/ny6oYVOQgE/) after she received it. If I remember right, she told me it's pretty good quality, like the others have been so far.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 16, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on May 16, 2014, 08:59:53 PM
Oh my

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I might have just screamed with excitement. I need her NOW.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 16, 2014, 09:52:51 PM
Chrysalis looks cool!  I wish they'd made the holes in her legs actual holes though. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: cadance89 on May 16, 2014, 11:16:10 PM
Does anyone have the Cadance one? It does look really pretty but it would be good to know if what you see is what you get   ^.^

AJLareneg has it! She posted a pic of Cadance with Shining Armor on her instagram (http://instagram.com/p/ny6oYVOQgE/) after she received it. If I remember right, she told me it's pretty good quality, like the others have been so far.


Will definitely get her. Thank you!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Sawkinator on May 17, 2014, 08:26:14 AM
CHRYSALIS!! It's like they read my mind!  :frolic:

I need her! -waits for ebay listings-
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 17, 2014, 10:14:34 AM
Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?

LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on May 17, 2014, 11:26:39 AM
Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?

LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
what do you mean?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 17, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?

LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
what do you mean?

What they are doing is vaguely illegal - but if Americans don't have easy access to the site, it becomes more difficult to prove what they are doing and even more difficult to find contact information should Hasbro choose to "pony up" their lawyers on behalf of their licensees.  China is just one of those countries where you can't typically raise legal charges against anyone because they can choose to ignore it.  ;)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 17, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?

LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
what do you mean?

What they are doing is vaguely illegal - but if Americans don't have easy access to the site, it becomes more difficult to prove what they are doing and even more difficult to find contact information should Hasbro choose to "pony up" their lawyers on behalf of their licensees.  China is just one of those countries where you can't typically raise legal charges against anyone because they can choose to ignore it.  ;)

Yes - what lovesbabysquirmy has said.

There is no reason to block US IP addresses for any website unless they dont want Americans or US companies to see what is on the site. Its crude and its not really hard for any one to get around but its a common and easy initial step for a company which is engaging in questionable activities. And as this company is known to produce bootleg products, as the products collectors have come across have no mention of Hasbro on the labels then they are producing things outside of license...which is illegal.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: CuddlyParrot on May 17, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
I think these would be called knockoffs, I doubt they are true copies where you buy the original and take a rub off of the original pattern. Those DA artists making plushies are also making fake plushes that are unlicensed. Both could be considered morally wrong and depending on different laws in each country could also be illegal.
That being said I own a Daring Do and wouldn't give her up for the world. Hey I make custom my little ponies and that too is a gray area.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 17, 2014, 07:59:13 PM
I think these would be called knockoffs, I doubt they are true copies where you buy the original and take a rub off of the original pattern. Those DA artists making plushies are also making fake plushes that are unlicensed. Both could be considered morally wrong and depending on different laws in each country could also be illegal.
That being said I own a Daring Do and wouldn't give her up for the world. Hey I make custom my little ponies and that too is a gray area.

True, but I think it's worth noting that dA artists make a few plushes per year while the bootleg factories are mass producing plush in large quantities.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on May 17, 2014, 09:00:54 PM
So the first Chrysalis on ebay sold for $102.50... I can't believe someone was willing to pay that much for a bootleg plush.

I have alerts for when more get listed, so I'm just going to wait until I can grab her at the BIN price.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 17, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
So the first Chrysalis on ebay sold for $102.50... I can't believe someone was willing to pay that much for a bootleg plush.

I have alerts for when more get listed, so I'm just going to wait until I can grab her at the BIN price.

Yeah, it completely defeats the purpose of having a cheap, mass produced show accurate plush that's available to the public. I'm willing to bet that the seller has plenty Chrysalis plushes in stock and just put the one on ebay to make it seem limited.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on May 17, 2014, 09:47:25 PM
So the first Chrysalis on ebay sold for $102.50... I can't believe someone was willing to pay that much for a bootleg plush.

I have alerts for when more get listed, so I'm just going to wait until I can grab her at the BIN price.

Yeah, it completely defeats the purpose of having a cheap, mass produced show accurate plush that's available to the public. I'm willing to bet that the seller has plenty Chrysalis plushes in stock and just put the one on ebay to make it seem limited.

Yep, Chrysalis should be just like all the rest of the plush have been. The seller will list a new one every day or so. It's a horrible idea to bid on her in particular rather than pay the BIN (which I'm going to guess is between $20 and $30, like their other pony plush) since she's clearly going to go for ridiculous prices.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Ossie on May 18, 2014, 01:38:42 AM
Thanks to everyone in this topic for providing additional information, we've updated the post on our blog :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 18, 2014, 07:35:38 AM
So the first Chrysalis on ebay sold for $102.50... I can't believe someone was willing to pay that much for a bootleg plush.

I have alerts for when more get listed, so I'm just going to wait until I can grab her at the BIN price.

Yeah, it completely defeats the purpose of having a cheap, mass produced show accurate plush that's available to the public. I'm willing to bet that the seller has plenty Chrysalis plushes in stock and just put the one on ebay to make it seem limited.

Yep, Chrysalis should be just like all the rest of the plush have been. The seller will list a new one every day or so. It's a horrible idea to bid on her in particular rather than pay the BIN (which I'm going to guess is between $20 and $30, like their other pony plush) since she's clearly going to go for ridiculous prices.

I contacted the ebay seller last night and asked if they have more Chrysalis in stock. Here's what they said:

Dear spaceytimes,

"Hi

Yes.

We have more.
But now eBay give many limit on the selling quantity.

So you can also buy it directly on our site 123cosplayCom
Thank you"

She's not uploaded to the site yet but she probably will be soon. Might be easier to buy one there than ebay.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on May 18, 2014, 10:03:19 AM
I contacted the ebay seller last night and asked if they have more Chrysalis in stock. Here's what they said:

Dear spaceytimes,

"Hi

Yes.

We have more.
But now eBay give many limit on the selling quantity.

So you can also buy it directly on our site 123cosplayCom
Thank you"

She's not uploaded to the site yet but she probably will be soon. Might be easier to buy one there than ebay.

I hope she's uploaded soon. I definitely have my eye there too. She'd be way easier to purchase there than on ebay.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: TornadoTwist on May 18, 2014, 10:25:44 AM
A news updated appeared on the FrontWinner website:
2014-05-18 Please don't upload deviantArt pictures when you submit custom plush. Thank you
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 18, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
A news updated appeared on the FrontWinner website:
2014-05-18 Please don't upload deviantArt pictures when you submit custom plush. Thank you

Things got pretty heated on dA when a few plush artists discovered their pictures were uploaded to Frontwinner. Long story short, Frontwinner responded (using their dA account) by saying:

"Sorry. We are frontwinner.com. We are just one plush factory, just one producer. We accept the custom plush orders from our customers.
Our customers upload the pictures on our website to collect enough vote. Then let us do the producing.
So we don't know where the pictures are from.
Very sorry for the problem. In future we will publish the customers ID and also let you report the pictures. Then we will delete it."

and

"If any pictures from yours, you can send message to us on our website.
We will delete it.
We are small plush factory. We don't enough power to keep eyes on Internet. That is producing wish list from our customers. They upload the pictures on our website.
If you find any problem items, please send message with the link on our website.
Thank you"
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 18, 2014, 11:45:12 AM
Yeah, I'm not surprised that these thieves don't want people uploading dA pictures to their website for requests: it's much much easier to prove their wrongdoings if it's obvious they are stealing.  :(  I hope it's recommended that people do not give them business or money!  Save your money and invest in a "local" artist if you are going to buy unlicensed plushies!  I don't really advocate buying from unlicensed producers most of the time, but I would rather support pony people than some unknown Chinese factory that steals others' ideas and work. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 18, 2014, 12:08:20 PM
1. Chinese Mac and that Mac from DA look different. The guy from DA sees what he wants to see.
2. If they are stealing designs, where are the rest of their mlp plushies were stolen from?
3. Plushies from DA were submitted by the visitors. None of them were produced. Actually, uploading plushies designes had another propose. People just got it wrong and spammed it with the existing plushies from DA.

Currently, I don't see any proofs that they steal someone's plushie design.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on May 18, 2014, 12:23:29 PM
1. Chinese Mac and that Mac from DA look different. The guy from DA sees what he wants to see.
2. If they are stealing designs, where are the rest of their mlp plushies were stolen from?
3. Plushies from DA were submitted by the visitors. None of them were produced. Actually, uploading plushies designes had another propose. People just got it wrong and spammed it with the existing plushies from DA.

Currently, I don't see any proofs that they steal someone's plushie design.

Plush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.  None of them have stolen patterns - people just upload the plush pictures just to give them an idea on what characters to make.  And I'm a plush creator.  I'm actually glad decent plushies are being made at affordable prices.  I know how much time/effort/materials it goes into making them, hence why they are priced high to begin with.  But not everyone can afford what us creators ask for them.

I find it funny that these creators are complaining, when they too are technically stealing/producing items based on someone else's IP.  We can't be hypocrites, here :D
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 18, 2014, 12:31:22 PM
Even if you put aside the design/pattern theft...which as mentioned before is not applicable if they bought those patterns of course, they are still "stealing" licensed products and reselling them. I think its the potential double whammy which makes it annoying for many people. There are other ways they could conduct their business however - they do not need to have people upload images directly to them - they could simply show images of their finished products. They know the pictures they are being supplied must be made by someone somewhere after all.

Dont get me wrong, it would be nice if Hasbro or one of their licensees would produce more products. But just because they dont does not, for me anyway, justify someone doing it without a license. All this company have to do is try to purchase a license for their product - produce things under the MLP and Hasbro name.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 18, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
1. Chinese Mac and that Mac from DA look different. The guy from DA sees what he wants to see.
2. If they are stealing designs, where are the rest of their mlp plushies were stolen from?
3. Plushies from DA were submitted by the visitors. None of them were produced. Actually, uploading plushies designes had another propose. People just got it wrong and spammed it with the existing plushies from DA.

Currently, I don't see any proofs that they steal someone's plushie design.

To an extent I agree with you. The Frontwinner pattern looks original to me, but they are likely looking at fanplushes for reference. There's nothing inherently wrong with that though, since plenty of fan artists look at other artists' work for inspiration. There have been other bootlegs that have completely ripped off an artist's original character and design, but I don't think Frontwinner was the manufacturer of those.

The userbase shouldn't have uploaded pictures of artist's plushes in the first place though. I think that's really the main issue here because the artists in question didn't give their consent. Frontwinner is stealing artwork from dA artist's though, and printing them onto pillows. It can't be said that they're stealing plush patterns because in order to do that they'd need to buy one from the artist and take it apart. They likely are using the plush images as reference and attempting the reverse engineer some aspects. But they are completely stealing artwork and selling it on different items. So the Frontwinner business is sketchy and nobody can deny that.

Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 18, 2014, 12:37:16 PM
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Plush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.
That's exactly what I think. The other day there weren't any plushies that were affordable and good looking at the same time. Then, 4d have made Twi and Pinkie and about to make much more. Now frontwinner have increased a quality of their plushies.
It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on May 18, 2014, 12:38:29 PM
1. Chinese Mac and that Mac from DA look different. The guy from DA sees what he wants to see.
2. If they are stealing designs, where are the rest of their mlp plushies were stolen from?
3. Plushies from DA were submitted by the visitors. None of them were produced. Actually, uploading plushies designes had another propose. People just got it wrong and spammed it with the existing plushies from DA.

Currently, I don't see any proofs that they steal someone's plushie design.

To an extent I agree with you. The Frontwinner pattern looks original to me, but they are likely looking at fanplushes for reference. There's nothing inherently wrong with that though, since plenty of fan artists look at other artists' work for inspiration. There have been other bootlegs that have completely ripped off an artist's original character and design, but I don't think Frontwinner was the manufacturer of those.

The userbase shouldn't have uploaded pictures of artist's plushes in the first place though. I think that's really the main issue here because the artists in question didn't give their consent. Frontwinner is stealing artwork from dA artist's though, and printing them onto pillows. It can't be said that they're stealing plush patterns because in order to do that they'd need to buy one from the artist and take it apart. They likely are using the plush images as reference and attempting the reverse engineer some aspects. But they are completely stealing artwork and selling it on different items. So the Frontwinner business is sketchy and nobody can deny that.

That is true.  I forgot they had pillows. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 18, 2014, 12:46:10 PM
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Plush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.
That's exactly what I think. The other day there weren't any plushies that were affordable and good looking at the same time. Then, 4d have made Twi and Pinkie and about to make much more. Now frontwinner have increased a quality of their plushies.
If will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.

I feel like this may be part of the reason too, for some. Personally, I only have a problem with bootlegs when it's clear they ripped off an artist's original character or design. I'm glad there are affordable show accurate plushes out there.

Plush artists shouldn't be labelled as the bad guys though. It's way too easy to throw blame in our direction.

Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on May 18, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
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Plush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.
That's exactly what I think. The other day there weren't any plushies that were affordable and good looking at the same time. Then, 4d have made Twi and Pinkie and about to make much more. Now frontwinner have increased a quality of their plushies.
It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.
can we not say custom plush are "overpriced"? It's fine if you can't afford it, but when one considers the time and effort that went into making these plush it's hardly "overpriced".

In fact, most even big companies charge a lot for the first prototype, even more than most custom plush go for, and those could essentially be considered the same thing as they are hand made originals.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Scraleos on May 18, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
A lot of plushie makers need commissions to get by in life :/ I don't make plushies as much as I used to because of college, but my mother still makes them, and all the money she makes goes toward buying food and paying bills. Before I started making plushies, I thought all plush makers we rich because they charge so much. But we really aren't haha.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Sawkinator on May 18, 2014, 07:25:31 PM
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't call plush maker's work 'overpriced'.  :huh: And it really annoys me when people call art and crafts done by others 'overpriced' - because those people obviously don't understand all the time spent planning and making a piece of art, and all the time put into getting good enough at it that people want their products.

Custom plush ARE expensive, but for good reasons. I'd bet some even sell themselves short, essentially making minimum wage for each hour they work on one plush commission. So just think about that before calling an artist's work 'overpriced'.

Anyways... I don't think the plush makers of the fandom need to worry too much. Even with 4DE and other show-accurate plushies, a lot of people still commission the Mane 6 from private makers. Plus, big companies will never be able to make OC plushes, or specific outfits, or do a folded wing vs. open wing plush if a customer requests it. People still commission Pokemon plushes to be made, and they have several official plushes for just about every one!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on May 18, 2014, 09:31:08 PM
Anyways... I don't think the plush makers of the fandom need to worry too much. Even with 4DE and other show-accurate plushies, a lot of people still commission the Mane 6 from private makers. Plus, big companies will never be able to make OC plushes, or specific outfits, or do a folded wing vs. open wing plush if a customer requests it. People still commission Pokemon plushes to be made, and they have several official plushes for just about every one!

This exactly. I like these bootleg plush, and I like the official plush, but I still intend to commission some custom plush eventually. Nothing can ever compare to a handmade, custom plush.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Scraleos on May 19, 2014, 01:38:47 AM

It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.

There is a massive difference between a mass produced product and something made by someone. It takes a long time to make a plush toy, not to mention the time it took it draft out a pattern, getting high quality materials, and the time it made to make it. Our stuff isn't overpriced. :/
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on May 19, 2014, 05:39:33 AM
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Plush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.
That's exactly what I think. The other day there weren't any plushies that were affordable and good looking at the same time. Then, 4d have made Twi and Pinkie and about to make much more. Now frontwinner have increased a quality of their plushies.
It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.
Custom Plushies are not overpriced. Mass production can do lower prices for various reasons but can also sacrifice quality. OOAK plushies are meant to be that and plus pricing is due to: cost of products use and time to make them. The price for time can vary as some people set the prices to what min-wage is (which is about $7 to $8 in some areas).
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: moonsugar on May 19, 2014, 07:56:46 AM
Personally, I think that "overpriced" in terms of plushies more falls into the $120-$150 category than the $300-$400 category, generally speaking. On one hand, you get people who charge a lot for something that doesn't look very great, or use the best materials- I'm mostly talking about a couple of plushies on Etsy, that haven't really changed their pricing or patterns since Season 1/Season 2. Plushies equivalent to- or worse than- the good knockoffs we see here.

 On the other hand, I'd be more than happy to shell out a couple hundred dollars for something that looks absolutely perfect from babylondonstar or razielledbx or spacevoyager (Ahoy!) or agatrix or anything from that vein of artistry.

If you're in the market for a plush pony, you've got a couple of options. Cheap? Go something official. Less cheap, but better looking? Go a knockoff. Even less cheap, but even better looking? Go a commission.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 19, 2014, 08:45:15 AM
I think the problem is misconception. The vast majority of plush makers clear their costs and hopefully/sometimes a little bit more for their work. However I think many people remember the days of the $1000+ ebay plushies and a couple of plush makers who, due to their name, continue to charge proportionately higher sums for their creations. Its their craftsmanship and they can charge whatever they please, and no buyer is forced to spend significant amounts of money on a plush but I think these things get more attention than plush makers charging a reasonable amount.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on May 19, 2014, 08:55:13 AM
I'm not surprised the site is locked to the U.S., and I don't think it has as much to do with hiding from Hasbro as being able to argue that because their products aren't being marketed/available to U.S. buyers, so they don't have to comply with US copyright infringement laws.  Hasbro would have a difficult time prosecuting them for an injunction.

They are definitely bootleg, unlicensed and unauthorized- and probably really irritating the crap out of Hasbro.... but I'll admit I will probably get one of those Chrysalis fakies once the price comes down, they're pretty cute and I need one for my Chrysalis army.  Also, I can't think of any Chrysalis plushies in the works by an official plushie maker... and the custom Chrysalis are pretty far and few in between too.

Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 19, 2014, 09:24:30 AM
Are they insane?

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 19, 2014, 10:35:38 AM
Are they insane?
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It's very silly to spend that much on an unlicensed mass produced product. She is cute but she's not worth near that much. Like I said in a previous post, I contacted that seller and they said they have plenty of Chrysalis plush that will be for sale on their website soon.

Makes me wonder if they'll jack the price up since they've gotten over $100 on both Chrysalis auctions they've had.

In my opinion, no one should spend more than $25 on that plush. She's cute and appears to be well made, but the pattern is simple. Her wings are just single pieces of cut felt that's likely glued or tacked on with a couple of stitches. The holes in her mane and tail are just top stitched and cut out in the middle while the 'holes' in her legs are just embroidered. The crown looks like a single piece of felt with stickers. There's no line detailing to her mane and tail either.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from buying one. Just be smart about it.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 19, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
I don't understand the criticism plushie makers get.  Their work is a one of a kind creation, not something off an assembly line.  The 12 inch plushies are mediocre quality at best.  They are not made from the same caliber materials as something you'd commission, and they don't often use the correct designs for eyes and symbols.  I think a lot of people just get butthurt because they can't afford the (justifiable) high prices some artists charge.  You know what, I can't afford to drop several hundred on a stuffed animal either, but I don't vilify the artisans making them.

As hathorcat said, sometimes I'm lucky to even make back what the materials cost me.  For example, one of my current commissions wasn't an easy color to match and my client and I picked 3 different colors before finding one that, once in hand, would work.  At $20 a pop.  So, $60 in materials I can't even use for anything else, plus what I paid to have the symbol digitized so my embroidery machine would read it, on an $80 commission.  That's NOT even taking into consideration the hours it will take me to actually sew the pony, or the cost for miscellaneous supplies I needed.  There is no getting around the cost of materials.  Even lower quality fabric costs as much as the good stuff. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 19, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
I think a lot of it stems from the lack of knowledge of the plush making process, and probably a sense of thinking they're entitled to everything.

A high quality plush takes more than minky and stuffing to make. Most people don't consider the drafting process, prototyping, edits. Other materials can include interfacing, batting, poly pellets, chenille wire, digitizing and embroidery. Most professional digitizing businesses charge a certain amount for every 1000 stitches in the design. My pony eyes range between 8000-16,000 stitches and that's just for one eye. At $2 per 1000 stitches (which I consider to be the bare minimum) two 8000 stitch pony eyes would be $32. Plus, you have to consider the cutie mark and other embroidered features as well.

Materials definitely add up and labor isn't free. I think art as a whole is really underappreciated. It's usually seen as more of a hobby than a career or job.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 19, 2014, 12:25:47 PM
SpaceV I don't know you but I think I love you.  :)  I agree with you completely.  (And I have the worst desire to count the stitches in my eyes now!)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 19, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
SpaceV I don't know you but I think I love you.  :)  I agree with you completely.  (And I have the worst desire to count the stitches in my eyes now!)

Aw, thanks!! Luckily, the program I use does the counting for me.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 19, 2014, 12:37:37 PM
SpaceV I don't know you but I think I love you.  :)  I agree with you completely.  (And I have the worst desire to count the stitches in my eyes now!)

Aw, thanks!! Luckily, the program I use does the counting for me.  :biggrin:

Mine does too, and it seems like something I should know, but I don't!  It's just one of the many things that goes into making a custom plushie! 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on May 19, 2014, 01:21:41 PM
I think a lot of it stems from the lack of knowledge of the plush making process, and probably a sense of thinking they're entitled to everything.

A high quality plush takes more than minky and stuffing to make. Most people don't consider the drafting process, prototyping, edits. Other materials can include interfacing, batting, poly pellets, chenille wire, digitizing and embroidery. Most professional digitizing businesses charge a certain amount for every 1000 stitches in the design. My pony eyes range between 8000-16,000 stitches and that's just for one eye. At $2 per 1000 stitches (which I consider to be the bare minimum) two 8000 stitch pony eyes would be $32. Plus, you have to consider the cutie mark and other embroidered features as well.

Materials definitely add up and labor isn't free. I think art as a whole is really underappreciated. It's usually seen as more of a hobby than a career or job.
This is something that's important to point out too. I've made some plush of my own, but I don't have any access to an embroidery machine, so while I am well aware of the prices of material and what goes into making them... I did not know the embroidery costs so much extra! It does make the finished product look so much nicer though. :3
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on May 19, 2014, 04:19:58 PM
I think of custom plushes (or custom ponies of any sort) as art, rather than merch.  Even if the artist makes a few of the same one, you are still getting a special, unique and beautiful hand-crafted product.   I love the few hand-crafted plushies that I do have, but it really has nothing to do with whether I'm willing to get a plush from 4DE or even a fun knock off.  Totally different thing.


Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on May 19, 2014, 06:12:05 PM
Me too, Galactica.  I have plushies I have made, a plushie from Scraleos, some licensed ones, and a few of the Chinese plushies. 

I will fully admit sometimes I am just too lazy to make my own plush.  ^^;
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 19, 2014, 08:37:39 PM
For anyone wanting that Chryssy bootleg, she is now for sale at 123cosplay.com for $31.90. http://www.123cosplay.com/collections/all/products/my-little-pony-queen-chrysalis-plush-doll-popl9015

Overpriced, imo. She may eventually come down in price on ebay. I feel silly for not realizing earlier but 123cosplay and that ebay seller are Frontwinner.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on May 19, 2014, 10:11:55 PM
For anyone wanting that Chryssy bootleg, she is now for sale at 123cosplay.com for $31.90. http://www.123cosplay.com/collections/all/products/my-little-pony-queen-chrysalis-plush-doll-popl9015

Overpriced, imo. She may eventually come down in price on ebay. I feel silly for not realizing earlier but 123cosplay and that ebay seller are Frontwinner.
I'm sure she will drop another $10 eventually- but not a bad price with free shipping- thanks for the link!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 19, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
I bought her directly from frontwinner, and she was 26$ including shipping. Don't think she'll be cheaper than that.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 20, 2014, 07:11:12 AM
For anyone wanting that Chryssy bootleg, she is now for sale at 123cosplay.com for $31.90. http://www.123cosplay.com/collections/all/products/my-little-pony-queen-chrysalis-plush-doll-popl9015

Overpriced, imo. She may eventually come down in price on ebay. I feel silly for not realizing earlier but 123cosplay and that ebay seller are Frontwinner.
I'm sure she will drop another $10 eventually- but not a bad price with free shipping- thanks for the link!

Oh nice! I didn't realize she had free shipping. Definitely more reasonable.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Wysteria on May 21, 2014, 12:26:51 PM
My hubby just found these in a store here in the US at an anime store:D I talked to the lady at the store who said they are not hasbro licensed but are an offical Japanese licensed company.  Apparently they were from the crane games.  So excited hubby grabbed me a Luna and Cadence. I really wish I wasn't broke or I'd get some others.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on May 21, 2014, 01:09:09 PM
I really want to get some of these they just look so precious to me.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Buffy on May 21, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
I want Trixie, she is cute
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on May 21, 2014, 02:10:11 PM
My hubby just found these in a store here in the US at an anime store:D I talked to the lady at the store who said they are not hasbro licensed but are an offical Japanese licensed company.  Apparently they were from the crane games.  So excited hubby grabbed me a Luna and Cadence. I really wish I wasn't broke or I'd get some others.
how much were they selling for?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Wysteria on May 21, 2014, 02:56:46 PM
My hubby just found these in a store here in the US at an anime store:D I talked to the lady at the store who said they are not hasbro licensed but are an offical Japanese licensed company.  Apparently they were from the crane games.  So excited hubby grabbed me a Luna and Cadence. I really wish I wasn't broke or I'd get some others.
how much were they selling for?

$25-$30. I almost ordered a few but so happy to save on shipping! Still a bit much for a build a bear price but with out the import hassle/wait, I'll pay it.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 24, 2014, 05:50:08 AM
This was kind of random, but she's beautiful.

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on May 24, 2014, 06:40:54 AM
This was kind of random, but she's beautiful.

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Oh my I must have her did you find her on the site or eBay?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 24, 2014, 06:43:12 AM
She's on frontwinner for 26$. Should pop up on ebay soon.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on May 24, 2014, 06:51:31 AM
Great thank you for the info! I wish I could by from them but the site doesn't work only gives me 2 pages with no my little pony.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 24, 2014, 08:34:52 AM
This was kind of random, but she's beautiful.

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Oh my I must have her did you find her on the site or eBay?

Awww, she's so pretty! It's neat that they're doing ponies that aren't really well known. I hope they make Sapphire Shores.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: moonsugar on May 24, 2014, 08:38:34 AM
I hope they make Fancy Pants. I'd totally snuggle him to bed.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Noepse on May 24, 2014, 08:59:46 AM
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on May 24, 2014, 10:14:55 AM
I just want sunset shimmer stuff. Funko. Hasbro. Even these Chinese plush bootleg things. Someone make me more sunset shimmer! :b
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on May 24, 2014, 11:33:26 AM
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.

Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.

For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/

But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on May 24, 2014, 11:57:02 AM
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.

Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.

For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/

But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about them. I think they're cute and pretty well made as far as mass produced plushes go. I enjoy seeing the new characters they put out. And I can't really be mad at them for making unlicensed plushes since I'm a plushmaker myself. But you're right in that there is a big difference in one person making a few plushes to get by, and a company mass producing them like crazy just to cash in on something that's trending.

And on the other hand, the company itself has already been proven shady. They're stealing art and printing them onto pillows. Plushes aside, that's a huge issue for me and I won't be supporting that.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Noepse on May 24, 2014, 12:03:24 PM
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.

Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.

For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/

But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about them. I think they're cute and pretty well made as far as mass produced plushes go. I enjoy seeing the new characters they put out. And I can't really be mad at them for making unlicensed plushes since I'm a plushmaker myself. But you're right in that there is a big difference in one person making a few plushes to get by, and a company mass producing them like crazy just to cash in on something that's trending.

And on the other hand, the company itself has already been proven shady. They're stealing art and printing them onto pillows. Plushes aside, that's a huge issue for me and I won't be supporting that.

Glad I am not the only person who think so! I really don't want to support art thieves either ugh.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: TornadoTwist on May 27, 2014, 10:57:14 PM
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: BerryMouse on May 27, 2014, 11:13:53 PM
Oh me wants that Chrysalis now =)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on May 27, 2014, 11:53:34 PM
Ugh. They need to stop making ponies I like so I won't be tempted by them. Where is my legit company Lyra?! :'(
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: moonsugar on May 28, 2014, 12:43:18 AM
Here, random Chinese plushie pattern designer lady! Have my money!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: gemini_pony on May 28, 2014, 01:11:34 AM
I really want to buy these!! I can actually afford them!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: CupidStrikes on May 28, 2014, 01:18:28 AM
These were available at an expo here last weekend. My friend got Cadence for £15 and said they were 2 for £25 (I didn't go, I only noticed when my friend posted her loot brag on FB xD).

They look very nice, must say, though it's a terrible shame they're copying plush artists' designs (or at least drawing heaving inspiration from them). I'm incredibly tempted by a couple, though, but I'm going to see what Build-A-Bear releases first. Might well get a Lyra, though. She's gorgeous and I'm unsure BAB will make her (I heard Funrise are making her, but they're very rare over here and whenever I've seen them they've looked and felt cheap and crappy). I would prefer to buy an official product but Hasbro just ain't providing in many cases, and I don't have the budget for a custom plush (not meaning to imply I think customs are overpriced - they're not - I just cannot stretch to the necessary price for a custom plush).
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Diamond on May 28, 2014, 10:27:39 AM
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.

Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.

For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/

But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.

Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.

For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/

But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about them. I think they're cute and pretty well made as far as mass produced plushes go. I enjoy seeing the new characters they put out. And I can't really be mad at them for making unlicensed plushes since I'm a plushmaker myself. But you're right in that there is a big difference in one person making a few plushes to get by, and a company mass producing them like crazy just to cash in on something that's trending.

And on the other hand, the company itself has already been proven shady. They're stealing art and printing them onto pillows. Plushes aside, that's a huge issue for me and I won't be supporting that.

Glad I am not the only person who think so! I really don't want to support art thieves either ugh.
Oh we are out here, I think in one way it is what makes hard for me to get into G4 besides the blind bags, is the ready acceptance of bootleg, copies and the like. 

In regards to the prices of custom plushies, if they are anything like doing a model horse custom, by the time you sell it you are lucky if you are making minimum wage for the amount of work put in.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: MilkyTaroMochi on May 28, 2014, 12:53:52 PM
I would prefer to buy an official product but Hasbro just ain't providing in many cases, and I don't have the budget for a custom plush (not meaning to imply I think customs are overpriced - they're not - I just cannot stretch to the necessary price for a custom plush).
I do feel this is what it is for a good amount of people when it comes to the bootleg MLP plushes. I am not really too fond of bootlegs, but I can't fully fault some people who buy the plushes, especially the ones of characters that likely wouldn't get an official Hasbro one (anytime soon, at least). I would think Lyra would get an official plush in the future (especially if they did an official one for DJ,  Octavia, and Muffin), but what are the odds of a plush of [for example] Gilda, Braeburn, Sapphire Shores (I think thats her name), and other non-quite-as-popular characters? Now that I think about it, I wonder what the chances are of there being an official Hasbro Discord and Chrysalis plush?
And I would honestly be lying if I said I wouldn't consider buying the bootleg Chrysalis plush if I saw it in a store.

That said, if I personally had the money, I would gladly/certainly buy a custom OOAK plush.

I have noticed that now Hasbro has sorta "stepped their game up" when it comes to official plushes, with there being more good-looking official ones coming out now compared to years ago when Funrise plushes were the only ones for sale (not saying I don't like the Funrise plushes, or anything ; I like them but i can see why there are fans who don't care for them).
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: CupidStrikes on May 28, 2014, 01:37:55 PM


I don't care for the Funrise ones, either. Whilst I am glad they give us such a wide variation, my few encounters with them haven't been positive. The plushes always feel vastly under-stuffed, the faces look weird and misshaped and the bodies look much too small. The eyes and cutie marks are stickers and always seem to have been improperly applied and are peeling off or creased, yadda yadda. I could understand if they were cheaper but...generally they're the same price as the TY plushes which are far better quality, with embroidered eyes and cutie marks instead of stickers, and brushable hair. There is a lot more choice now, even for us outside the US that don't see the 4DE, Funrise, or Aurora ones so much, if at all, but...the mane six are generally the focus. I hope that BAB will sell enough Trixie and Zecora to be convinced to make Lyra (even if I've no idea where I'm going to put Trixie and/or Zecora...), though, you're right, it's unlike we'll see a Gilda, and y'know...I'm tempted by a plush without brushable hair. I know it's more true to the brand or whatever but I'm afraid to hug my plushes because the hair is so prone to knotting up.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 30, 2014, 03:14:30 AM
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: moonsugar on May 30, 2014, 03:16:52 AM
How the heck? These people are brilliant.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on May 30, 2014, 09:11:24 AM
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Also, all of these plushies are from Frontwinner.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on May 30, 2014, 10:51:50 AM
So, I just accessed Frontwinner website and I am in the US. I used a different method but they have the same My Little Pony plushes as they do 123cosplay.com so it makes me think they did that website for the US. Just an observation I wanted to share. I pretty much just wanted to find a way to go to the website because I couldn't lol.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Tilas on May 31, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.

As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Noxxbunny on May 31, 2014, 07:07:59 AM
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.

As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.

Are you positive it was Hasbro? I've heard of people going around reporting things on websites claiming to be Hasbro, and the site just rolls with it. Sorry that happened to you though. I just find it odd since I've only ever heard of one other person getting a real Hasbro C&D.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Tilas on May 31, 2014, 09:33:33 AM
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.

As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.

Are you positive it was Hasbro? I've heard of people going around reporting things on websites claiming to be Hasbro, and the site just rolls with it. Sorry that happened to you though. I just find it odd since I've only ever heard of one other person getting a real Hasbro C&D.

It was one of Hasbro's Legal representatives. I was skeptical too until I researched the name, and found out that yes, in fact it was one of their hired legal eagles who specialize in trademarks and copyrights. Honestly I'm far from the only person to get nailed on Etsy, I've talked quite a few artists on DA and Etsy and others have been taken down for the same (or similar) thing. I kept the emails in my records, it was the same on both of my etsy stores. :\

I get why they do it, really, I do. I just got bugged that a small time itty bitty seller like me gets a banhammer and companies like the above blatantly rip of fan artists, make and sell hundreds of plushies, and yet Hasbro either can't, or doesn't stop them. :\
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Noxxbunny on May 31, 2014, 11:48:35 AM
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.

As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.

Are you positive it was Hasbro? I've heard of people going around reporting things on websites claiming to be Hasbro, and the site just rolls with it. Sorry that happened to you though. I just find it odd since I've only ever heard of one other person getting a real Hasbro C&D.

It was one of Hasbro's Legal representatives. I was skeptical too until I researched the name, and found out that yes, in fact it was one of their hired legal eagles who specialize in trademarks and copyrights. Honestly I'm far from the only person to get nailed on Etsy, I've talked quite a few artists on DA and Etsy and others have been taken down for the same (or similar) thing. I kept the emails in my records, it was the same on both of my etsy stores. :\

I get why they do it, really, I do. I just got bugged that a small time itty bitty seller like me gets a banhammer and companies like the above blatantly rip of fan artists, make and sell hundreds of plushies, and yet Hasbro either can't, or doesn't stop them. :\

That makes me wonder what makes them pick someone to C&D then. :huh: I wonder if that means eBay is really the only site "safe" for selling then since they can be fickle about listening to reports. I hear about etsy taking down more accounts in other fandoms than ebay does. But even etsy is starting to get bootleg plush listings and yet like you said, no one does anything about it.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on June 01, 2014, 09:22:23 AM
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.

As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.

Are you positive it was Hasbro? I've heard of people going around reporting things on websites claiming to be Hasbro, and the site just rolls with it. Sorry that happened to you though. I just find it odd since I've only ever heard of one other person getting a real Hasbro C&D.

It was one of Hasbro's Legal representatives. I was skeptical too until I researched the name, and found out that yes, in fact it was one of their hired legal eagles who specialize in trademarks and copyrights. Honestly I'm far from the only person to get nailed on Etsy, I've talked quite a few artists on DA and Etsy and others have been taken down for the same (or similar) thing. I kept the emails in my records, it was the same on both of my etsy stores. :\

I get why they do it, really, I do. I just got bugged that a small time itty bitty seller like me gets a banhammer and companies like the above blatantly rip of fan artists, make and sell hundreds of plushies, and yet Hasbro either can't, or doesn't stop them. :\

That makes me wonder what makes them pick someone to C&D then. :huh: I wonder if that means eBay is really the only site "safe" for selling then since they can be fickle about listening to reports. I hear about etsy taking down more accounts in other fandoms than ebay does. But even etsy is starting to get bootleg plush listings and yet like you said, no one does anything about it.

Unfortunately I have heard of a lot of Hasbro lawyer issued C&Ds at the moment. With the size of fandom MLP has become this kind of thing was inevitable. Hasbro may have taken its time getting around to acting but with so many  fandom creations out there - many of them getting more attention than anything Hasbro makes money from - they were going to kick in to gear eventually. And its not just plush, its pretty much anything they think has too high a profile.

It is very frustrating for artists who are making the odd plush here and there getting a letter/email like that, while these mass market producers get away with what is going on here. However, it goes back to what we joked about earlier in this thread; their website is blocked from the US for a reason. Yes, its partly to hide what they do but its also so it cannot be claimed they are offering their items into a Hasbro controlled market. While its silly as they can still be seen to trade in countries outside the US, where Hasbro has a presence, the main goal is to protect themselves from all the big US companies they are infringing the copyright of. Unfortunately plush makers [and others who have received cease and desists] are trading in locations where Hasbro has either its own items for sale or it has sold licenses to companies, who expect Hasbro to protect their interests in that market. It is therefore easy and pretty straight forward to order these people to stop, rather than go after a factory on the other side of the world, in a country which pretty much does not care about copyright or intellectual property rights. These factories do get closed down on occasion...but they simply reopen again a couple of weeks later and normally with a minimally different name.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on June 03, 2014, 11:59:45 AM
Unfortunately I have heard of a lot of Hasbro lawyer issued C&Ds at the moment. With the size of fandom MLP has become this kind of thing was inevitable. Hasbro may have taken its time getting around to acting but with so many  fandom creations out there - many of them getting more attention than anything Hasbro makes money from - they were going to kick in to gear eventually. And its not just plush, its pretty much anything they think has too high a profile.

It is very frustrating for artists who are making the odd plush here and there getting a letter/email like that, while these mass market producers get away with what is going on here. However, it goes back to what we joked about earlier in this thread; their website is blocked from the US for a reason. Yes, its partly to hide what they do but its also so it cannot be claimed they are offering their items into a Hasbro controlled market. While its silly as they can still be seen to trade in countries outside the US, where Hasbro has a presence, the main goal is to protect themselves from all the big US companies they are infringing the copyright of. Unfortunately plush makers [and others who have received cease and desists] are trading in locations where Hasbro has either its own items for sale or it has sold licenses to companies, who expect Hasbro to protect their interests in that market. It is therefore easy and pretty straight forward to order these people to stop, rather than go after a factory on the other side of the world, in a country which pretty much does not care about copyright or intellectual property rights. These factories do get closed down on occasion...but they simply reopen again a couple of weeks later and normally with a minimally different name.

Oh I'm sure Hasbro would send Frontwinner (or any other Chinese knock-off maker) a cease and desist if they could- and maybe they already have-  but Chinese copyright laws are pretty different, and what they are doing probably doesn't violate those laws.  Makes it pretty hard for Hasbro (or any other company) to do much if anything about copyright infringement.  They can stop the company/companies from marketing to the US, but that's about it.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on June 03, 2014, 01:07:56 PM
Unfortunately I have heard of a lot of Hasbro lawyer issued C&Ds at the moment. With the size of fandom MLP has become this kind of thing was inevitable. Hasbro may have taken its time getting around to acting but with so many  fandom creations out there - many of them getting more attention than anything Hasbro makes money from - they were going to kick in to gear eventually. And its not just plush, its pretty much anything they think has too high a profile.

It is very frustrating for artists who are making the odd plush here and there getting a letter/email like that, while these mass market producers get away with what is going on here. However, it goes back to what we joked about earlier in this thread; their website is blocked from the US for a reason. Yes, its partly to hide what they do but its also so it cannot be claimed they are offering their items into a Hasbro controlled market. While its silly as they can still be seen to trade in countries outside the US, where Hasbro has a presence, the main goal is to protect themselves from all the big US companies they are infringing the copyright of. Unfortunately plush makers [and others who have received cease and desists] are trading in locations where Hasbro has either its own items for sale or it has sold licenses to companies, who expect Hasbro to protect their interests in that market. It is therefore easy and pretty straight forward to order these people to stop, rather than go after a factory on the other side of the world, in a country which pretty much does not care about copyright or intellectual property rights. These factories do get closed down on occasion...but they simply reopen again a couple of weeks later and normally with a minimally different name.

Oh I'm sure Hasbro would send Frontwinner (or any other Chinese knock-off maker) a cease and desist if they could- and maybe they already have-  but Chinese copyright laws are pretty different, and what they are doing probably doesn't violate those laws.  Makes it pretty hard for Hasbro (or any other company) to do much if anything about copyright infringement.  They can stop the company/companies from marketing to the US, but that's about it.

Exactly! Its not that they dont want to, its that they cant and even if they could there would be nothing done about it. If they were seen to be selling directly to the US market - i.e, if the website was not blocked to US IPs - then perhaps Hasbro would attempt something although it would only be to prove to licensees that they are trying. But when Apple and Disney cant stop people basically replicating every inch of their stores, Hasbro sure as heck dont want to waste the effort and money in going after a plush manufacturer who probably is not denting their profit . In the meantime, Hasbro will continue to go after those operating in their main market [even though on a teeny tiny scale] and who they can easily target.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on June 03, 2014, 01:32:31 PM


Exactly! Its not that they dont want to, its that they cant and even if they could there would be nothing done about it. If they were seen to be selling directly to the US market - i.e, if the website was not blocked to US IPs - then perhaps Hasbro would attempt something although it would only be to prove to licensees that they are trying. But when Apple and Disney cant stop people basically replicating every inch of their stores, Hasbro sure as heck dont want to waste the effort and money in going after a plush manufacturer who probably is not denting their profit . In the meantime, Hasbro will continue to go after those operating in their main market [even though on a teeny tiny scale] and who they can easily target.

Yeah, and it's not really about profit when they go after custom-makers, it's just that if they become aware of an infringement and don't do anything to protect their trademarks, then legally they can be found to have "waived" the trademark... 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on June 04, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
Did anyone buy Chryssi or Cherry yet? I'd like to see some photos.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on June 04, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
I got Chrysalis in the mail two days ago. I can post some pictures of her when I'm off work. :) she's pretty neat.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on June 04, 2014, 01:18:25 PM
Great. Will be waiting.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on June 04, 2014, 04:30:20 PM
Okay, I took some pictures of her. She doesn't photograph quite as well as I'd like since she's black and it doesn't catch the light. :b

Pictures under the spoiler.
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My least favorite part about her is the cheap felt wings. They're also only held on by what looks like 1 or 2 stitches, so you'd have to be careful with them or they could fall apart. The only good news is that since they are made of cheap felt, making her new replacement wings if they got broken would be easy. :b

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Also each of the insides of the holes in her mane and tail are unfinished like this, which looks sloppy.

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Her legs are lumpy, and the holes in her legs are just embroidered on. I guess its better than doing no lumps and just embroidered holes.

Also her horn doesn't stand up at all. I'm not sure why, since my Cadence and Shining Armor have no problems with their horns. Oh well. :D
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on June 04, 2014, 05:40:33 PM
So, all in all, you get what you pay for.  I was tempted to buy a Chrysalis just to deconstruct her, but your pics showed everything I wanted to see, so thank you!  :)

Still, despite being completely able to make my own, I'm SO buying those Cutie Mark Crusaders.  I do not even care.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on June 04, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
Can you photo her crown?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: gemini_pony on June 05, 2014, 01:44:31 AM
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on June 05, 2014, 04:57:13 AM
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.

Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.

Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...

Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.

Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on June 05, 2014, 10:22:17 AM
Can you photo her crown?
her crown is just more flat felt with painted details. I can snap a photo if you want still. :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on June 05, 2014, 10:37:15 AM
Sure, if you don't mind.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: gemini_pony on June 05, 2014, 08:32:04 PM
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.

Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.

Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...

Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.



Well I do know some of the 3rd party ones are in the US.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on June 06, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.

Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.

Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...

Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.



Well I do know some of the 3rd party ones are in the US.

Apologies but I am not quite sure what you meant :) Would you be able to explain a little more?

If you mean that some of the third party toys are made in the US - its not made in the US, its stocked in the US and sometimes ordered by US companies from Chinese factories [same idea as what Hasbro do now]. Either way, they are illegal and Hasbro will take action against them when they get too loud. I am sure a lot of C&Ds float around to these companies that we dont hear about. iGear's Ramjet is a great example of that - C&D from Hasbro combined with an out and out ban from selling at BotCon shows that Hasbro will protect the brand when they are forced to.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on June 06, 2014, 11:25:07 AM
These should be out soon.

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on June 06, 2014, 11:29:51 AM
Oh dear god Nightmare Moon.  O.o
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on June 06, 2014, 12:18:43 PM
That was unexpected
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: TornadoTwist on June 06, 2014, 01:37:55 PM
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: BigBrotherPony on June 06, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
Oh my gosh! I just got my Big Mac Plushie.... And although he is not official he is the best quality pony plushie I have ever seen. I love him sooooo much!

The quality is even better than the build-a-bear ponies if you ask me!

Yes his proportions are slightly off, but he is way closer to the TV show than anything HASBRO have produced or licensed!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Snix on June 06, 2014, 06:18:48 PM
All of this is leaving the quality of Hasbro as a toymaker in the bottom. Is very preocupant that the chinese sellers see only in few months what exactly the market wants, when hasbro spent years for only start  understanding
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on June 06, 2014, 08:44:07 PM
All of this is leaving the quality of Hasbro as a toymaker in the bottom. Is very preocupant that the chinese sellers see only in few months what exactly the market wants, when hasbro spent years for only start  understanding
I think this is largely because the Chinese manufacturers are getting the ideas DIRECTLY from the fandom, from the impression I'm under. They have a pool open where people post ideas and vote them up. So of course they're hitting all the popular characters...

Still, I suppose there's no reason Hasbro couldn't have done the same. It's not like its hard to figure out who is/isn't popular.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: gemini_pony on June 07, 2014, 12:03:58 AM
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.

Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.

Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...

Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.



Well I do know some of the 3rd party ones are in the US.

Apologies but I am not quite sure what you meant :) Would you be able to explain a little more?

If you mean that some of the third party toys are made in the US - its not made in the US, its stocked in the US and sometimes ordered by US companies from Chinese factories [same idea as what Hasbro do now]. Either way, they are illegal and Hasbro will take action against them when they get too loud. I am sure a lot of C&Ds float around to these companies that we dont hear about. iGear's Ramjet is a great example of that - C&D from Hasbro combined with an out and out ban from selling at BotCon shows that Hasbro will protect the brand when they are forced to.

Hmmm I guess they are produced out of country according to my hubby but here is the main site that sales them.
http://tfsource.com/3rd-party-figures/
Also sold at
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/search.aspx?search=Third%20Party%20Transforming%20Toys%20&%20Accessories

Which bigbadtoystore is a pretty major site. Can't the custom plush makers call them by other names? Like Butterfly or something that seems to be what most of the 3rd party transformers do.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on June 07, 2014, 05:25:07 AM
All of those 3rd party manufacturers run the risk of being shut down at any time or at least receiving C&Ds for what they are stocking. For them its a balance. If they get a C&D they would just pull those items. There was a retailer in the US a couple of years ago who was told to stop stocking all 3rd party or they would no longer be allowed to stock any actual Hasbro items. The difference between TF and MLP is probably sheer scale. TF third party items are made in such large quantities that although Hasbro continue to issue them its probably just an ongoing process for them to issue the odd C&D. There are people stocking these plushies - people have found them at cons and in the odd store - so we are already seeing retailers carrying them in the same manner as these TF KOs.

Calling them something else wont make much of a difference thats not what makes TF KOs allowed - they are not allowed and are completely illegal. They just change the names [sometimes] in order to try and be less obvious and appear more apologetic if it ever became a legal matter not to make it permissible.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Matcha on June 07, 2014, 05:39:28 AM
I got a Luna plush from taobao and she has a :3 face
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on June 07, 2014, 08:39:29 AM
I got a Luna plush from taobao and she has a :3 face
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: gemini_pony on June 07, 2014, 09:13:14 PM
I want Luna!!! *grabby hands*
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Matcha on June 07, 2014, 09:39:48 PM
Do you love her Matcha?? I just ordered a Big Mac...
I love her, but I don't like the fact that her bandanna is felt ): Her crown is really sad looking too, it's floppy doesn't quite stand up straight. Some of her embroidered details on her crown and hair don't really match up either. But overall, she's really cute if you don't look too closely! Her eyes are especially nice.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Ossie on June 10, 2014, 03:03:04 PM
Progress on Discord and Apple Bloom on the OnlyFactory site:
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on June 10, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
I was kind of excited for the cmcs but that purple in Applebloom's hair looks atrocious. That tiny purple stripe on her tail that doesn't even connect looks pretty weird. Mouth and nose are off too. They went with some bad design choices on this one.

I know these are knockoffs but it's not that hard to match colors and position the embroidery correctly.

Discord looks pretty good though, even if he's too chibi for my taste.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on June 10, 2014, 06:54:41 PM
Pretty cute-

I am tempted by that Big Macintosh, but keep waiting for 4de to finish theirs.  4de is taking SO LONG!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on June 10, 2014, 08:29:33 PM
Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but has one of the people who bought these ordered them through that new 123cosplay host that can confirm it's legit? People said they ordered from FrontWinner safely.

I want to order a Big Mac but I also want to know it's a safe source. I think they take payment through Paypal which would offer me some protection but I'd rather avoid the hassle altogether if it might be a scam source.
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I was kind of excited for the cmcs but that purple in Applebloom's hair looks atrocious. That tiny purple stripe on her tail that doesn't even connect looks pretty weird. Mouth and nose are off too. They went with some bad design choices on this one.

I know these are knockoffs but it's not that hard to match colors and position the embroidery correctly.

Discord looks pretty good though, even if he's too chibi for my taste.


I ordered Big Mac from the 123cosplay and it seems like a fine sight. I think its just like frontwinner but for the US. I haven't gotten him yet but I just ordered him not to long ago. I will let you know when he comes. :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on June 11, 2014, 01:13:58 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but has one of the people who bought these ordered them through that new 123cosplay host that can confirm it's legit? People said they ordered from FrontWinner safely.

I want to order a Big Mac but I also want to know it's a safe source. I think they take payment through Paypal which would offer me some protection but I'd rather avoid the hassle altogether if it might be a scam source.

It's safe. :) AJLareneg and I both ordered Chrysalis through 123cosplay and we've both received her. 123cosplay is the US-accessible site for FrontWinner-created products.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on June 11, 2014, 06:54:28 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but has one of the people who bought these ordered them through that new 123cosplay host that can confirm it's legit? People said they ordered from FrontWinner safely.

I want to order a Big Mac but I also want to know it's a safe source. I think they take payment through Paypal which would offer me some protection but I'd rather avoid the hassle altogether if it might be a scam source.

It's safe. :) AJLareneg and I both ordered Chrysalis through 123cosplay and we've both received her. 123cosplay is the US-accessible site for FrontWinner-created products.




How long did it take??
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on June 11, 2014, 11:18:18 AM
I was kind of excited for the cmcs but that purple in Applebloom's hair looks atrocious. That tiny purple stripe on her tail that doesn't even connect looks pretty weird. Mouth and nose are off too. They went with some bad design choices on this one.

I know these are knockoffs but it's not that hard to match colors and position the embroidery correctly.

Discord looks pretty good though, even if he's too chibi for my taste.


Agreed.  I think the random stripe in her tail is just where, if she was animated, there would be an outline, but it does look weird here.  I know these are just test shots/prototypes, so I hope they can correct the issues.  I do like that they included her giant bow.  :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on June 11, 2014, 12:51:57 PM
I got a Luna plush from taobao and she has a :3 face
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Her eyes and everything are so perfectly lined up, though...a few adjustments by going to the craft store and she'd be delightful!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on June 11, 2014, 04:38:54 PM
Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but has one of the people who bought these ordered them through that new 123cosplay host that can confirm it's legit? People said they ordered from FrontWinner safely.

I want to order a Big Mac but I also want to know it's a safe source. I think they take payment through Paypal which would offer me some protection but I'd rather avoid the hassle altogether if it might be a scam source.

It's safe. :) AJLareneg and I both ordered Chrysalis through 123cosplay and we've both received her. 123cosplay is the US-accessible site for FrontWinner-created products.




How long did it take??

It took about two weeks. I went with the free shipping, but there's also an option for shipping with tracking if you're willing pay extra for some peace of mind.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: gemini_pony on June 12, 2014, 12:03:31 AM
Oh did anyone else see that they have Cherries Jubilee there now?
http://www.123cosplay.com/collections/all/products/my-little-pony-cherry-jubilee-plush-popl6718

I am going to order a plush from them this week. I am just having a hard time deciding who to get XD
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Ossie on June 12, 2014, 02:24:36 AM
A Spitfire plush is also being produced right now

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on June 12, 2014, 09:42:56 AM
OH wow, spitfire!

Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on June 12, 2014, 10:07:06 AM
Oh man I want all these plushes!!!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on June 12, 2014, 04:13:19 PM
There's an article on that other pony site showing more concept art from them. The ponies they're working on are:

Fluttershy
Pinkamena  :blink:
Dr. Hooves
Maud
Snowdrop! (who is a fan created pony)

And this bit of cuteness overload:

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Buffy on June 15, 2014, 03:06:59 AM
Got my Trixie yesterday, she is sooo cute.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: shindow on June 15, 2014, 03:36:48 PM
Why no Bon Bon? :(
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on June 16, 2014, 09:55:14 AM
These ponies are dangerous-  they are so cute, better than any of the licensed ponies (except 4DE who is insanely slow about production and arguably Aurora, who has only made a few)

I hope that they inspire the licensed companies to step up their game. 

Meanwhile, I haven't been able to resist them and am now up to my eyeballs.  If anyone needs Celestia, Cadance, Trixie, or alicorn Rarity, let me know because I can hook you up and you won't have to wait 4-6 weeks while they ship from China :D
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on June 19, 2014, 10:58:14 AM
I just got my Big Mac in the mail he is adorable!!!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on June 19, 2014, 05:07:34 PM
I just got my Big Mac in the mail he is adorable!!!

I won one for $20 including shipping :heart: SO antsy to get him in the post!! Can you show us pics of yours...PLEASE!?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: bladed on June 20, 2014, 07:07:20 AM
Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?

LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
what do you mean?

What they are doing is vaguely illegal - but if Americans don't have easy access to the site, it becomes more difficult to prove what they are doing and even more difficult to find contact information should Hasbro choose to "pony up" their lawyers on behalf of their licensees.  China is just one of those countries where you can't typically raise legal charges against anyone because they can choose to ignore it.  ;)

Yes - what lovesbabysquirmy has said.

There is no reason to block US IP addresses for any website unless they dont want Americans or US companies to see what is on the site. Its crude and its not really hard for any one to get around but its a common and easy initial step for a company which is engaging in questionable activities. And as this company is known to produce bootleg products, as the products collectors have come across have no mention of Hasbro on the labels then they are producing things outside of license...which is illegal.
I'm in the uk and get redirected to /all too...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on June 20, 2014, 07:34:44 AM
I just got my Big Mac in the mail he is adorable!!!

I won one for $20 including shipping :heart: SO antsy to get him in the post!! Can you show us pics of yours...PLEASE!?

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on June 20, 2014, 08:04:09 AM
Just won Trixie ($20) and I'm hoping to win Big Mac  ($20).  Still got to get Chrysalis, Lyra, Cherry Jubilee, and the others in the new batch. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on June 20, 2014, 09:26:46 AM
Why no Bon Bon? :(

Bon bon is on either the page before this or the one before that along with the CMC's...they just don't have eyes yet :P

Post Merge: June 20, 2014, 09:30:53 AM

I don't know why, but your Mac's floppy ear makes him even CUTER :heart:
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 20, 2014, 12:26:02 PM
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.

Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.

Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...

Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.



Well I do know some of the 3rd party ones are in the US.

Apologies but I am not quite sure what you meant :) Would you be able to explain a little more?

If you mean that some of the third party toys are made in the US - its not made in the US, its stocked in the US and sometimes ordered by US companies from Chinese factories [same idea as what Hasbro do now]. Either way, they are illegal and Hasbro will take action against them when they get too loud. I am sure a lot of C&Ds float around to these companies that we dont hear about. iGear's Ramjet is a great example of that - C&D from Hasbro combined with an out and out ban from selling at BotCon shows that Hasbro will protect the brand when they are forced to.

Hmmm I guess they are produced out of country according to my hubby but here is the main site that sales them.
http://tfsource.com/3rd-party-figures/
Also sold at
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/search.aspx?search=Third%20Party%20Transforming%20Toys%20&%20Accessories

Which bigbadtoystore is a pretty major site. Can't the custom plush makers call them by other names? Like Butterfly or something that seems to be what most of the 3rd party transformers do.

Ha ha, oh my God.

I think my favorite part is the adorable fake names they use.  "No, no, it's not Starscream!  This is Banshee!"  (It's Starscream.)

WOW, those are really high quality, though.  Kind of amazing.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: TornadoTwist on July 02, 2014, 02:59:18 AM
Some new plushies have been finished.

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on July 02, 2014, 07:50:43 AM
You missed one:

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*Heart explodes*
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on July 02, 2014, 08:31:27 AM
OMG need that Luna holy crap.  Are they on 123cosplay or are they not released yet?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on July 02, 2014, 09:08:16 AM
Oh my freaking GAWD that Daring Do!! And Spitfire! Ahhhhhhh *bank account explodes* ok, I seriously need to stop looking at this thread! But that Spitfire...and Dr Whooves...how the heck are they winning me over!? I can't STAND plushies, and now I have 3 and planning on 4 MORE!? This is so wrong it's right...hey Hasbro, you better hire these guys and make them official!

I'm thinking they're getting too good...I fear Hasbro may shut them down :(
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on July 02, 2014, 09:30:32 AM
Wow, that Luna.... she's so cute!  I needs for my Luna army for sure.  Not yet on 123Cosplay though- probably soon.

Daring Do is ridiculously cute too, but I have TOOOOO many plush these days. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Wysteria on July 02, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
I have a bad feeling I'm going to run out of room soon lol. If hasbro would get their butts in gear on making more brushable background ponies, I don't think I'd be drawn to the plush as much. But since it's the only way to get new characters, they've won me over:P
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on July 02, 2014, 09:55:08 AM
Dang!  I'm going to have to upgrade my Fluttershy :/
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on July 02, 2014, 10:19:57 AM
I think the licensed 4DE characters are cuter and better made- but to date there have only been two available.  There is a flood on the verge of being released, but I'm not sure how plentiful or accessible they will be.  THey have been promising a 4DE Fluttershy (which looks a lot like the one above) for a loooooong time now, and still nothing...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on July 02, 2014, 10:31:46 AM
I do like the 4DE Twilight, but these are here now, and I think maybe the market that might have been there for the licensed ponies may switch to these since the Hasbro ones are just seemingly never getting here. Honestly, there's only so long people are going to wait for "soon" to come when they have a perfectly viable (and inexpensive) alternative!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SpaceV on July 02, 2014, 11:01:03 AM
Huh, I wonder why they changed the pattern for Coco but not the others.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: brighteyes on July 02, 2014, 05:44:14 PM
I really love that Coco Pomel!  I can't wait to get her!  The Spitfire and new Fluttershy and Luna are pretty tempting too.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: nogames on July 06, 2014, 10:15:17 PM
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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: gemini_pony on July 06, 2014, 10:25:01 PM
I have Cherries Jubilee  and :muffin: Pony pics here if anyone wants to see them

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on July 07, 2014, 10:10:10 AM
I'm not sure what the availability is going to be on this next set. They're being produced on only factory, and have made prototypes of ones without full funding. In the comments they've told people that they'll only be for sale there... spitfire, daring do and the cmc are going to be the first produced there. I am still expecting them to show up on ebay and 123cosplay still though... but if the only factory admin was telling the truth they won't be.

Unless of course those other store fronts helped fund some of them.

And I can't figure out why they have finished prototypes of ideas that have less than 10 backers unless they already planned to sell them....
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on July 07, 2014, 10:25:14 AM
I cant keep up with all of these!

Big Mac and Trixie are arriving today though.  Still need to get Zecora, DJ, Bon Bon, Cherry and Lyra...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: ashlite on July 07, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
How do we order these?! I totally need/want a Dr. Whooves! :D
is this an ebay search? or do you have to order direct through a manufacturing site?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on July 07, 2014, 12:20:16 PM
How do we order these?! I totally need/want a Dr. Whooves! :D
is this an ebay search? or do you have to order direct through a manufacturing site?
For now they're only listed on onlyfactory. They might show up on ebay and 123cosplay later, but I'm unsure of that right now.

Also 4de is making whooves, and he will likely be a lot better quality. These bootleg dolls are nice but there is always some issue with them. Flat mane. Weird front view, uneven ears...stuff like that.

And since they're roughly the same price...eh?

I'm only buying characters that seem unlikely to get an official release, personally,  but to each their own of course! :3
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: ashlite on July 07, 2014, 12:47:44 PM
How do we order these?! I totally need/want a Dr. Whooves! :D
is this an ebay search? or do you have to order direct through a manufacturing site?
For now they're only listed on onlyfactory. They might show up on ebay and 123cosplay later, but I'm unsure of that right now.

Also 4de is making whooves, and he will likely be a lot better quality. These bootleg dolls are nice but there is always some issue with them. Flat mane. Weird front view, uneven ears...stuff like that.

And since they're roughly the same price...eh?

I'm only buying characters that seem unlikely to get an official release, personally,  but to each their own of course! :3

Thanks for the awesome response! LOL I literally know nothing about these plush toys. I haven't been on the forum in ages and just stumbled across this thread this morning. Now I'm intrigued by these 4de ones you speak of! I will have to keep an eye out for a Dr. Whooves there instead :) 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on July 07, 2014, 01:18:27 PM
I got a Big Mac and am super happy with it...it's heads and tails above the other plushies that are out right now! That includes TY! I think they're fab, and actually purchased the other plushes (aurora, wal-Mart string hair, tY, etc) so i could compare them all for people who are interested in purchasing a good one. I'd highly recommend the 12 inchers, but i've not gotten my hands on a 4DE model yet (hoping for Twi..she looks adorable) and I'm not even a plushie fan!! It'll be nice to actually compare the two for quality, but i have to say, the 12 inch Big Mac for kids to play with (very cuddly) maybe the 4DE for serious collectors?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on July 08, 2014, 09:56:46 AM
I got a Big Mac and am super happy with it...it's heads and tails above the other plushies that are out right now! That includes TY! I think they're fab, and actually purchased the other plushes (aurora, wal-Mart string hair, tY, etc) so i could compare them all for people who are interested in purchasing a good one. I'd highly recommend the 12 inchers, but i've not gotten my hands on a 4DE model yet (hoping for Twi..she looks adorable) and I'm not even a plushie fan!! It'll be nice to actually compare the two for quality, but i have to say, the 12 inch Big Mac for kids to play with (very cuddly) maybe the 4DE for serious collectors?
The thing with this, is that they both run the same price points. If the bootlegs were a lot less money then maybe... but at $25 for most of the standard characters (the princess 4de dolls cost more) I'd gotta recommend 4de over the bootlegs.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on July 08, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
Helpful Tip for those that have Bootleg Trixie.

Build-A-Bear's hat and cape works just great on this Trixie.  It was slightly difficult getting her tail in the cape's hole, but shifting the stuffing around in her tail allowed it to be done.  Think it works better on her then the actual Build-A-Bear pony, lol.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on July 08, 2014, 07:51:58 PM
I got my Big Mac for $10 and $9.99 shipping. I thought that was an excellent deal, especially since Canada seldom gets really cool stuff until way past when it's hot. Is the 4DE $25 retail, or does that include shipping?
The thing with this, is that they both run the same price points. If the bootlegs were a lot less money then maybe... but at $25 for most of the standard characters (the princess 4de dolls cost more) I'd gotta recommend 4de over the bootlegs.


Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on July 08, 2014, 08:26:34 PM
I see Nightmare Moon is now up on Ebay.  Another one to add to the Watch List...

I take it that eventually the ones at $20 will lower in price over time, right?  Currently waiting on Lyra, DJ, Zecora and Cherry to drop in price (I would say Chrysalis, but she seems to be selling still).
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on July 08, 2014, 10:14:12 PM
I got my Big Mac for $10 and $9.99 shipping. I thought that was an excellent deal, especially since Canada seldom gets really cool stuff until way past when it's hot. Is the 4DE $25 retail, or does that include shipping?

$25 not including shipping, though it depends on where you get it. The 4DE plush are being distributed through Diamond Select now, so that means you can have a local comic shop order them for you. Otherwise, you'll have to buy them online and therefore pay shipping.

Also really curious that Nightmare Moon is on ebay, considering she hasn't been released to OnlyFactory backers yet, and they're supposed to get the dolls first...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: CupidStrikes on July 09, 2014, 03:50:05 AM
I got my Big Mac for $10 and $9.99 shipping. I thought that was an excellent deal, especially since Canada seldom gets really cool stuff until way past when it's hot. Is the 4DE $25 retail, or does that include shipping?
The thing with this, is that they both run the same price points. If the bootlegs were a lot less money then maybe... but at $25 for most of the standard characters (the princess 4de dolls cost more) I'd gotta recommend 4de over the bootlegs.


Depends on the store, too. I saw the 4DE Twilight a couple of times in Canada and both times she was $35 (plus tax) (one of the stores had the bootlegs as well and they were around $20ish if I remember correctly). So if you can find them for $25, great, but good luck =/

I don't remember being that impressed with her given how much I've heard about the 4DE plushes. I'll wait to see the Famosa ones in person as they look good, aren't overly expensive and are easily available in Europe.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: TornadoTwist on July 09, 2014, 03:55:32 AM
Hmm seems like a lot of people find out about this site. I see a lot of repeated ideas and even some ideas that makes me go... why? I hope those don't slow down the actual wanted plushies.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on July 09, 2014, 08:17:53 AM
I see Nightmare Moon is now up on Ebay.  Another one to add to the Watch List...

That's weird.  I backed that particular project and they're nowhere near having enough interest to make her, even for the people who put down their deposit for her.  Tempted to buy one on Ebay, since I have an Australian address too...  Hmm....
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on July 09, 2014, 08:40:00 AM
I see Nightmare Moon is now up on Ebay.  Another one to add to the Watch List...

That's weird.  I backed that particular project and they're nowhere near having enough interest to make her, even for the people who put down their deposit for her.  Tempted to buy one on Ebay, since I have an Australian address too...  Hmm....
I'm curious to find out whether anyone who buys her actually receives her. Especially since I don't think she's up on FrontWinner or 123cosplay yet, and as far as I was aware, all of the eBay sellers for these plush are wholesalers.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Keelee_von_Cupcake on July 09, 2014, 09:31:39 AM
Oh, I hope everything works out with Nightmare Moon (IE, she's actually a thing that exists. XD). I would have a go at buying the one on eBay if shipping from Australia wasn't so expensive.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on July 09, 2014, 09:37:52 AM
I see Nightmare Moon is now up on Ebay.  Another one to add to the Watch List...

That's weird.  I backed that particular project and they're nowhere near having enough interest to make her, even for the people who put down their deposit for her.  Tempted to buy one on Ebay, since I have an Australian address too...  Hmm....
I'm curious to find out whether anyone who buys her actually receives her. Especially since I don't think she's up on FrontWinner or 123cosplay yet, and as far as I was aware, all of the eBay sellers for these plush are wholesalers.

EDIT - I DID buy her, since shipping to Australia is free.  My FIL is coming up to visit next month and can bring her to me then.  And I think, with currency conversion, it's practically the same price as the reserve on frontwinner. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on July 09, 2014, 09:40:13 AM
Oh well that's weird.  For sure let us know when you get her Skeen, I keep checking in on 123cosplay and don't see her..  (hopefully you won't just get some substitute!)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on July 09, 2014, 11:09:18 AM
Will do!  The auction listing says for sure "Nightmare Moon," so we'll see.  The seller has a bunch of other Frontwinner stuff in his/her store too.  It's going to my FIL's house so I'll make sure to ask him to open the package and check what's in it.  He knows ponies are srs bsns!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Corona on July 09, 2014, 11:27:37 AM
Has Daring Do been made yet? I'm not a fan of the one currently out but I love the OnlyFactory version!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on July 09, 2014, 04:29:54 PM
I hope that they still give the backers the plush even if they don't reach goal if they've still been produced...isn't that the point?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: rosierjay on July 09, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
who want to help me get a puppy spike started?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on July 09, 2014, 07:22:25 PM
Just got an email from OnlyFactory that the NMM plush production is complete, and she's now purchasable on the website. So, looks like we can expect things that end up with completed prototypes to end up for sale eventually whether they hit the necessary 300 pledges or not (NMM ended with only 190 pledges).
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: rosierjay on July 09, 2014, 07:33:48 PM
k i found spike.
so to back it. you essentially purchase it and hope enough people join you to get it made?
who wants to join me?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on July 09, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
k i found spike.
so to back it. you essentially purchase it and hope enough people join you to get it made?
who wants to join me?

Yeah, you pledge $1 toward it getting created and wait for other people to pledge toward its creation as well.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: rosierjay on July 09, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
oh just a dollar? i though you put the whole 20 or 25 toward it.
gonna pledge for the flash sentry one too.
i do have a flash sentry plush, but you should always have more.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on July 09, 2014, 09:28:43 PM
Just got an email from OnlyFactory that the NMM plush production is complete, and she's now purchasable on the website. So, looks like we can expect things that end up with completed prototypes to end up for sale eventually whether they hit the necessary 300 pledges or not (NMM ended with only 190 pledges).

Suspicious that she's suddenly done just as a whole crop of them hit eBay, especially since she's only half funded....
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on July 10, 2014, 09:41:44 AM
Just got an email from OnlyFactory that the NMM plush production is complete, and she's now purchasable on the website. So, looks like we can expect things that end up with completed prototypes to end up for sale eventually whether they hit the necessary 300 pledges or not (NMM ended with only 190 pledges).

Suspicious that she's suddenly done just as a whole crop of them hit eBay, especially since she's only half funded....
They said she was a test for their new business model, supposedly. So we'll have to wait and see what happens with the other ones. I still find it weird they made finished prototypes of ones with only 5 or 6 pledges and nothing for ones with a lot more than that. It seems like they already have an idea which ones they're going to be making.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Malicieuse on July 10, 2014, 10:21:51 AM
Is it really shocking that a place that makes bootlegs would do questionable things?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on July 10, 2014, 12:00:30 PM
It's not. But I'd still like to know what's going to be the status quo on a lot of these to see if it's worth 'backing' them or not. It's still too early to tell for sure.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on July 10, 2014, 12:11:08 PM
It's not. But I'd still like to know what's going to be the status quo on a lot of these to see if it's worth 'backing' them or not. It's still too early to tell for sure.

Exactly.  It's not even a big deal, just something odd. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Keelee_von_Cupcake on July 31, 2014, 12:04:15 AM
I got my Nightmare Moon! I love her! :inlove: I hope no one minds me bumping up this thread with some pictures and a kind of rambling review. :blush:

I purchased her directly from the Onlyfactory backer's website, where she was only about $30, including international shipping. I was not a backer but I was still able to order her there. The shipping even included a tracking number, which worked well enough for me to see when she'd shipped, when she'd arrived in the states, and when she'd been delivered to my house. It took about two weeks. I see she's up on 123cosplay now, but for ~$40 instead. I don't really feel she's worth quite that much, though I am definitely happy with my $30 purchase. Here she is!

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I would say the stock image is quite accurate, mine is just a little less poised, probably due in large part to her trip across the world to me during which she was pretty much folded up in a thin bubble mailer. I wouldn't say she suffered any real damage though!

If there's one thing I think the packaging adversely affected, I would say it's her mane. It doesn't really want to stick out straight, rather, it likes to kind of curl towards/across her face. Maybe my Nightmare Moon is shy? :P It would have been nice if her mane were stuffed or even wired so it would have that extra stability.

More pictures, including comparison shots with my Aurora Luna!
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She came with this hang-tag on her ear. She is AMAZINGLY soft! Seriously, it's a low-pile fabric, but it feels wonderful, like a short, silky velvet. You can also see that the very bottom decorative edge pieces of her helmet are not sewn to her, I guess for a bit of a 3D touch? I have them tucked under the band of her necklace, which is also a flat piece of felt that is not sewn down to her skin.

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Her front hooves turn in towards each other very slightly, which honestly I think is kind of adorable, and her horn leans just a bit to the left. It's not super noticeable in person. I am holding her mane to the side in this picture, and you can also see the painted-on stars that represent the sparkles here. I would have preferred real sparkles, but I like the look of these, they are nice and varied in size and I think the effect looks good in person.

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Here you can see how she's kind of Miss Flat-Mane. The darker blue area around the outside of her mane and tail also seems to be some painted, and in a few places it's kind of crackly? Not super noticeable though.

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Her tail is nicely stuffed though! It doesn't hover off the ground like the promo photos, partly because it is attached to a small spot on her rump and is too heavy to be supported off the ground there. However, this ends up a being a good thing, as using the tail as kind of a kick-stand is what really stabilizes her and allows her to stand. :P (She could probably stand without it, it's just a big help.)

Her wings are attached behind her ears, which keeps them standing up, a feature I like. Her display side wing does kind of cover her cutie mark, but that's okay. Her other wing wants to poke out behind the other one instead of lining up perfectly, but I think the effect that it causes is nice. She has her splotch and embroidered cutie mark on both sides!

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And here she is with Aurora Luna! As you can see, Luna is a bit bigger, particularly in the head and neck area. Luna is standing up very straight, while NMM is kind of leaning back on her heels (I think she looks coy! :)). Luna's hair has real sparkles. They are wonderful! Her horn, wings, and hoof covers are made of a sparkly material as well. I love this.

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Luna stands like a champion! She doesn't seem to be wired, but she is way more steady on  her feet than NMM. I wish NMM was stuffed as well as Luna, as I figure that's mainly what's making the difference here. NMM does not feel understuffed when you hold her, but in comparison with Luna you realize she could be much firmer.

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Look at the cute little grumpy face she's making in front view. :heart: Her crown and her necklace are also flat pieces of felt, and her necklace is not sewn down to her skin. Luna is still soft to the touch, but she's not as incredibly velvety as NMM.

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Moon-butt only has her splotch on one side, which was a very small disappointment for me. Her hair has sparkles all around, but her tail only has sparkles on the display side, strangely. All her hair is unstuffed, formed of little curvy tubes.

Overall, they are both wonderful plushes, and I am so happy to add them both to my herd! Welcome home, my sweet, beautiful Moon Princesses! :lovey:
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Twilight Pink on July 31, 2014, 12:33:53 AM
Is Only Factory the website to order these from?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on July 31, 2014, 12:58:03 AM
They're cheapest on OnlyFactory, even if you don't back. But they also show up on 123cosplay and eBay as well.

Keelee, thanks so much for doing the review/comparison with NMM and Aurora Luna! I really love seeing and reading about the differences between the plush. Are you going to get 4DE Luna in the fall? I'd be really curious to see another review comparing her to the OF NMM and Aurora Luna.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Keelee_von_Cupcake on July 31, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Keelee, thanks so much for doing the review/comparison with NMM and Aurora Luna! I really love seeing and reading about the differences between the plush. Are you going to get 4DE Luna in the fall? I'd be really curious to see another review comparing her to the OF NMM and Aurora Luna.

Thank you, I'm glad someone found it interesting! :happy: You know I think I will have to get 4DE Luna now, hehe, so I can have Luna in her three major forms! (S1, S2 onwards, and NMM.) I think the way they're doing her mane is going to look super cool. And I would be happy to compare them for you then. :) I'm still waiting on 4DE to release my Rarity, too! (It's funny, these two are actually my first pony plush because I'm trying to be very selective with my purchases, but even though I've been waiting for 4DE Rarity for much longer than I've known about these two, they've both managed to come out before her, let alone poor 4DE Luna!)

(Also, I love your DJ display! They look so cool all displayed together like that!)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on July 31, 2014, 09:06:07 AM
LOL Keelee, I got my Aurora Luna last night and was going to take the same pics you did for this thread!  XD 

My only complaint with NMM is the moon on her necklace thing, but that's not really even a complaint because it's well done and looks fine.  I am wondering if I can get her tail off so I can insert a wire or something to make it stand up better but honestly for $30 I'm probably not going to bother.  If I wanted her to be 100% perfect I'd make one myself, you know? ;)

And if I do not get 4DE Luna I will die.  Seriously. 


EDIT - I ordered the 3 new CMCs from OF too and they have shipped!  I will post pics when they arrive.  :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on July 31, 2014, 09:13:07 AM
I can't wait for 4DE Luna...  but until then I did break down and get the knock-off too.  She is pretty cute.  For some reason I can't order off their regular site, so I got her from 123 cosplay, where she is still pretty cheap since the price includes shipping. :D

That Aurora Luna is aaaalmost cute enough to get, but there is something about her muzzle...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on July 31, 2014, 09:22:12 AM
That Aurora Luna is aaaalmost cute enough to get, but there is something about her muzzle...

Really?  I like her muzzle.  It's her legs and her tail that bother me.  Gonna be finding a way to stuff that sack tail, let me tell you. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on July 31, 2014, 09:25:00 AM
That Aurora Luna is aaaalmost cute enough to get, but there is something about her muzzle...

Really?  I like her muzzle.  It's her legs and her tail that bother me.  Gonna be finding a way to stuff that sack tail, let me tell you.

Oh yeah- the tail does look like an empty sack.  So weird.  Also don't love that they cheaped out on the wings...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on July 31, 2014, 09:39:17 AM
I liked the Aurora plushes when they first came out, but now they're near the bottom of the "like" scale for me. I really like the knock-offs...though i have yet to get my hands on a 4DE myself!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on July 31, 2014, 09:48:30 AM
Sorry to be off topic- but I love the looks of the 4DE ponies too- and can't wait for them to come out!

I actually contacted the 4DE sales contact (who has been the same all this time) and expressed my concerns that there won't be enough Lunas for all and that they will sell out like crazy. 

She said that they are making a LOT for the next waves, even though it is sounding more like 2015 for many of them (Fluttershy for fall)-  but not to worry because distribution will be awesome to many different places this time, and they don't anticipate any problems running out... (that made me feel better)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Keelee_von_Cupcake on July 31, 2014, 10:01:14 AM
LOL Keelee, I got my Aurora Luna last night and was going to take the same pics you did for this thread!  XD 

My only complaint with NMM is the moon on her necklace thing, but that's not really even a complaint because it's well done and looks fine.  I am wondering if I can get her tail off so I can insert a wire or something to make it stand up better but honestly for $30 I'm probably not going to bother.  If I wanted her to be 100% perfect I'd make one myself, you know? ;)

And if I do not get 4DE Luna I will die.  Seriously. 

EDIT - I ordered the 3 new CMCs from OF too and they have shipped!  I will post pics when they arrive.  :)

Whoops! XD Sorry about that, yours probably would have had better lighting! ;) Yeah, if I were able to change NMM in one way it would be make her mane stand out straight better, perhaps with a wire. But yeah, small issues here and there aside, she's still wonderful, and I don't foresee a licensed release of her in the future considering how there are far more popular characters who don't even have plushes yet.

I'm just thrilled that Aurora Luna is purple! ^^; I know blue is more show accurate, but man, I love Luna, and I love purple, so in this one case (all the Hasbro Luna toys, this plush) I like the slight inaccuracy. :enthralled: I bet her tail would look really nice stuffed though. Personally I would love it if her cutie mark/splotch and tail sparkles were on both sides! If they'd just done that she could be displayed perfectly from either side, but alas. That's really my only issue with her, and it's even smaller than those I have with NMM. I actually don't mind Luna's flat wings, they stand up nicely, have a beautiful (if 2D) shape, and I am such a sucker for that pretty iridescent fabric they used.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on July 31, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
Keelee, thanks so much for doing the review/comparison with NMM and Aurora Luna! I really love seeing and reading about the differences between the plush. Are you going to get 4DE Luna in the fall? I'd be really curious to see another review comparing her to the OF NMM and Aurora Luna.

Thank you, I'm glad someone found it interesting! :happy: You know I think I will have to get 4DE Luna now, hehe, so I can have Luna in her three major forms! (S1, S2 onwards, and NMM.) I think the way they're doing her mane is going to look super cool. And I would be happy to compare them for you then. :) I'm still waiting on 4DE to release my Rarity, too! (It's funny, these two are actually my first pony plush because I'm trying to be very selective with my purchases, but even though I've been waiting for 4DE Rarity for much longer than I've known about these two, they've both managed to come out before her, let alone poor 4DE Luna!)

(Also, I love your DJ display! They look so cool all displayed together like that!)
I look forward to seeing a comparison with 4DE Luna in the future then :D

And thank you. I'm quite happy with how my DJ display has turned out. :) I can't get enough of her.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on July 31, 2014, 06:07:00 PM
Where are you guys getting aurora luna?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Keelee_von_Cupcake on July 31, 2014, 07:02:32 PM
Where are you guys getting aurora luna?

I got mine on eBay for $23 total (it looks like the seller I bought her from still has a couple left!), but you can get her on ToyWiz for $25 + shipping.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on August 01, 2014, 10:39:05 AM
I preordered from Toywiz.  Other than there and ebay I haven't seen any for sale anywhere else yet. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on August 01, 2014, 03:21:38 PM
Ah alright. I know a local shop that sells the aurora ponies, I didn't know if they had hit retail yet. It's a small shop so I'd rather support them. They did say they were getting Luna and spike in as well.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: moonsugar on August 02, 2014, 02:20:03 AM
Well- I'm surprised nobody's posted here about it, but it looks like these guys might be getting shut down!

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Link: http://www.onlyfactory.com/u/oft

I'm very upset :(
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: gemini_pony on August 02, 2014, 02:22:53 AM
Awww This sucks!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Sora on August 02, 2014, 04:07:04 AM
Aw, that's a shame. There were a couple of pony OC plushies that I actually really liked on there.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on August 02, 2014, 04:21:16 AM
So much for getting Flutterbat and Woona. :enraged: :rant:

Edit: Apparently someone from the SuperFanArt site (the ones making the 3d printing ponies) ratted them out.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on August 02, 2014, 06:52:21 AM
I have a feeling they'll still be making them - but just not using that website, rather just make them then find them on Ebay like they've been doing for the longest time.  Because apparently they still can do that. 

So yeah, keep an eye out on Ebay for new plushies.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Snix on August 02, 2014, 08:24:43 AM
Too much suspicious things here...lot of Plushie makers don´t like them, the Snowdrop animators critising that they do a Snowdrop plush, ED publising a thing who haven´t never been to be publicied in first place...

The best thing for all of us is that they remained anonymus like when they started doing their first pony plushies....


Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: TornadoTwist on August 02, 2014, 08:49:14 AM
They still keep making concpet art. They just made one of Photo Finish.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Twilight Pink on August 02, 2014, 11:07:55 AM
Please tell me there's other sites to buy these from? :cry:
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on August 02, 2014, 11:23:29 AM
These places are shut down and then start up again all the time. Its the main way they manage to avoid any real issues  [although operating in China there is not really much Hasbro could or would do]. Give it a month or so and they will have another website soon enough.

As for SuperFan although there is no proof, I dont think [?] who reported it to Hasbro, as they have now gone to the effort and financial investment of paying for a license and as onlyfactory are now offering unofficial 3D printed ponies perhaps its not that surprising? Why should one company pay the money to do it properly? Unfortunately...it just makes commercial business sense to try and stop it.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: moonsugar on August 02, 2014, 04:20:54 PM
Please tell me there's other sites to buy these from? :cry:

123cosplay.com, for one!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on August 02, 2014, 05:50:33 PM
I wonder what's going to happen to the ones with deposits on them, or that had started production already (like spitfire). Hmm...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on August 03, 2014, 07:22:32 AM
The latest news.
It appears they might be putting them up again, but leaving down those that use someone else's patterns (for the record: They don't upload the ideas and associated pictures/links themselves. It's the fans who registered with the site that post them). They also issued a brief statement saying they will try and finish what has already been started, but also said this:

"...So we will try and get the other method to avoid the copyright problem."

Could this mean trying to get a license from Hasbro?

Edit: Looks like some fans are trying to get around it. There's an idea for a "purple dog". The image is of Spike as a dog in EqG. :lmao:
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on August 09, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
CMC's have landed!  :D

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They're about 2 inches smaller than the normal FW plushies and of pretty decent quality, actually.  They've got nice tight embroidery and they seem really solid despite being squeezable still.  They stand perfectly on their own, compared to the Build a Bear versions which tip over onto their muzzles. 

It's interesting to note that as I was taking these pics, Mr. Skeen made the comment that the knockoffs were obvious... but he thought the BaB's were the knockoffs!  He was incredulous when I corrected him.  "But, these don't even look like ponies.  Why are the wings and horn sparkly?  Why are their heads so big?"  And so on and so forth.   :P

Comparisons with the BaB plushies.  Forgive that they look like they're all kissing each other.  The BaB's, as I said, don't stand on their own:

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Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on August 09, 2014, 07:03:09 PM
Did you watch the people commenting on the CMCs and saying Scootaloo's hair was the wrong color? What color hair did yours end up with? I'm curious if they actually changed it like they said they would. I can't really tell, the difference was so  tiny it wasn't really worht whining about IMO...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on August 09, 2014, 07:12:37 PM
I found the same thing. I like the brushable hair, but I hate the overly large head (reminds me of someone with hydrocephaly) of the BaB ponies! The knock-offs (from the company that makes Big Mac and the CMC's you've pictured), I find, are better quality, more huggable, wonderful to even simply touch, and the embroidery is spectacular!! I feel that the only way they could make them perfect is to give the brushable hair, with the tail sewn in with a mounting bracket inside the pony and through a hole instead of in a line the way the Ty's, the BaB's, and the original 80's plushies had.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on August 09, 2014, 08:03:03 PM
Did you watch the people commenting on the CMCs and saying Scootaloo's hair was the wrong color? What color hair did yours end up with? I'm curious if they actually changed it like they said they would. I can't really tell, the difference was so  tiny it wasn't really worht whining about IMO...

Yeah, I think I touched off that whole thing too, by just asking what color it was actually going to be.  :/  It ended up being the darker "wrong" color.  My question about it was, really, what color was the satin stitching detail going to be?  Regardless of whatever color the hair is, the detail lines should have been darker, and they were at one point on the prototype.  The detail line on the finished product is paler, which looks odd, even though I do like the hair better in this dark color. 

If I was making my own, I'd make the detail lines darker, but I am FAR too lazy, which is why I buy knockoffs.  :p  I love her as she is. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: ringwraith10 on August 09, 2014, 08:45:01 PM
Thanks for all of the good info! I had heard about this company, but I didn't realize they were copying individual artists' patterns. That's a whole different level of uncool (a higher level than just creating unlicensed products of trademarked characters).
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on August 09, 2014, 09:05:11 PM
So all of them are made with "kitty mouths" thanks to their design. If they produce the filly Cele and Luna (they've got 186 backers so far), kitty face Woona is going to cause some heart problems :lovey:  (here's an animation of Woona with a kitty face, and ears: http://jdan-s.deviantart.com/art/Woona-is-a-Kitty-Cat-426662375)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Twilight Pink on August 09, 2014, 09:12:35 PM
Those cat mouths make them look ugly :(

Just keep the original design and put em under a fake name ._.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on August 10, 2014, 10:35:21 AM
I'm pretty sure the 'cat mouth' thing happens because they just embroider each side of the pony separately and then just sew the two sides together, which makes the mouth not line up properly. The only aim for making one side really presentable. Lyra has a super flat tube mane because of this (it only looks good on the photographed side)

Just small issues to be expected from something like this, I guess.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on August 10, 2014, 08:36:06 PM
I like the little kitty mouths...I think they're cute! Better than the toothless "gummer" look that most plushes have!
Question: does anyone own the Cherry Jubilee? What does she look like IRL?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on August 11, 2014, 10:24:30 AM
CMC's have landed!  :D

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They're about 2 inches smaller than the normal FW plushies and of pretty decent quality, actually.  They've got nice tight embroidery and they seem really solid despite being squeezable still.  They stand perfectly on their own, compared to the Build a Bear versions which tip over onto their muzzles. 

It's interesting to note that as I was taking these pics, Mr. Skeen made the comment that the knockoffs were obvious... but he thought the BaB's were the knockoffs!  He was incredulous when I corrected him.  "But, these don't even look like ponies.  Why are the wings and horn sparkly?  Why are their heads so big?"  And so on and so forth.   :P

Comparisons with the BaB plushies.  Forgive that they look like they're all kissing each other.  The BaB's, as I said, don't stand on their own:

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Wow, great comparison photos!  I hate to say it, but I agree with Mr. Skeen.  Those Chinese knock-offs look better than the real BAB ponies.  Sad!

I did get my Nightmare Moon knock-off plushie finally, she is very small but pretty cute. 

I also just checked in with a few comic sellers who sell 4DE-  they are expecting 8 of the new 4DE ponies (including their awesome Luna) in November/December!!!!!!  I can't wait...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on August 11, 2014, 11:17:01 AM
Late in the year for Luna, eh?  I know what Mr. Skeen can get me for xmas/birthday/anniversary then.... Happily there are 3 4DE plushies I want and 3 important dates on which to give them to me.  :D  I have turned into a plushie hoarder, I think. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on August 11, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
There are worst things, right?   ^.^
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Twilight Pink on August 11, 2014, 12:14:59 PM
Comic shops sell 4DE plushes?
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: hathorcat on August 11, 2014, 12:16:46 PM
Comic shops sell 4DE plushes?

The last lot of 4DE were all up for pre order through comic book stores. After all comic book stores is where the bulk of 4DEs stuff is carried :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: shindow on August 11, 2014, 12:47:45 PM
I thought this factory was shut down? Or did I get it confused with a different one?

I wanted to buy Bon Bon when she was out. Anyone know about that? :3
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on August 11, 2014, 02:11:41 PM

I also just checked in with a few comic sellers who sell 4DE-  they are expecting 8 of the new 4DE ponies (including their awesome Luna) in November/December!!!!!!  I can't wait...

I'm holding my breath. Considering how long it took to get the first 2 mane 6 out the door, I'd sooner say we won't see the others until next year. :huh:

As for Onlyfactory: I can still access the 2 I'm backing (the filly princesses have 186 backers, and Flutterbat has only 31).
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on August 11, 2014, 02:33:46 PM
I can still access everything I've backed, pony-wise.  There was one post in one of the suggestion threads that said they'd try to make everything they had at least some backer support for.  I'm holding out for the filly princesses!  Shindow, I don't think they had enough support for Bon Bon.  There are only 13 pieces pledged out of 300. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on August 11, 2014, 03:07:17 PM
They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Twilight Pink on August 11, 2014, 03:19:42 PM
They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...
You requested Flash Sentry? :o

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I'm holding my breath. Considering how long it took to get the first 2 mane 6 out the door, I'd sooner say we won't see the others until next year. :huh:

As for Onlyfactory: I can still access the 2 I'm backing (the filly princesses have 186 backers, and Flutterbat has only 31).

I'm rooting for Flutterbat :P I don't know much about the filly princesses :s
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on August 11, 2014, 07:09:23 PM
I put a reserve on one, but someone else had posted him up. I never posted any ideas directly to the site because I didn't want a lawsuit on my hands in case it ever went that far. Maybe the person who posted his idea took it down, it doesn't say. The picture is gone in my wanted page and it just loads a 404 error now. :(
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Twilight Pink on August 11, 2014, 07:32:18 PM
I put a reserve on one, but someone else had posted him up. I never posted any ideas directly to the site because I didn't want a lawsuit on my hands in case it ever went that far. Maybe the person who posted his idea took it down, it doesn't say. The picture is gone in my wanted page and it just loads a 404 error now. :(
What a shame :( I would love a Flash plush...(even though I haven't acquired any other Chinese bootleg MLP plush yet :P)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: rosierjay on August 11, 2014, 09:01:52 PM
They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...
i had put a dollar toward him too.
bummer.
i already have a flash plush. (and am making 3 more. mwhahahaha) but i really wanted to see how he would turn out.
if it'f flash. i want one.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on August 11, 2014, 11:33:14 PM
They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...
i had put a dollar toward him too.
bummer.
i already have a flash plush. (and am making 3 more. mwhahahaha) but i really wanted to see how he would turn out.
if it'f flash. i want one.
i wanna see pictures of your flash plush! i really love his design and stuff. ;_;
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on August 12, 2014, 12:15:29 AM
They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...
You requested Flash Sentry? :o

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I'm holding my breath. Considering how long it took to get the first 2 mane 6 out the door, I'd sooner say we won't see the others until next year. :huh:

As for Onlyfactory: I can still access the 2 I'm backing (the filly princesses have 186 backers, and Flutterbat has only 31).

I'm rooting for Flutterbat :P I don't know much about the filly princesses :s

From how I understand it: If they start making them, you'll tell them you want Celestia or Luna when you pay for it. They'll be the same size as the CMC ones. Cele will have solid pink hair instead of 4 color.

Kitty face Woona might be the death of me. :P I mean just look:

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http://jdan-s.deviantart.com/art/Princess-Woonya-426419186
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: QueenGusty on August 12, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
I'd backed the filly princesses and was gutted to hear of the C&D. Although I completely understand it...I wanted baby!Celly :(

Carrie
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on August 24, 2014, 01:30:58 PM
So, I just saw Flutterbat on ebay!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: AJLareneg on August 25, 2014, 09:55:18 AM
Flutterbat also went on sale on onlyfactory.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on August 26, 2014, 01:50:41 PM
I've sent my money for Flutterbat. Now for the waiting game. :freak:
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on August 26, 2014, 02:03:36 PM
Oh yeah, looks like the Flutterbat is up on Cosplay123 as well, $31 including shipping isn't bad. Still, no more plush for me (at least until 4DE's Luna!)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: lonewolf on September 08, 2014, 03:18:24 PM
Gee I wonder what's in this package from China I got today?

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Well let's open it and see...
Spoiler
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HISSSSSSSSSSSS

I am very impressed with the quality of it. The embroidery work is outstanding. I saw a review where someone said they're a little on the soft side, but this one is a little firmer than my BaB ones.

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Kitty face. :P
 
If I buy any apples now I'll have to keep a close eye on them.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Galactica on September 08, 2014, 04:26:59 PM
She's very cute-
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: snwbear24 on September 08, 2014, 08:12:30 PM
I love her!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on September 08, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
Oh, dear...she looks incredible! I know i shouldn't, but i adore almost all of these plushies. There just isn't anything that even remotely compared to them...nothing licensed anyway, other than the 4DE ones, but they've been so erratic in their releasing them. It's bloody annoying!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on September 26, 2014, 12:08:02 PM
Bumping to say that Onlyfactory has finished production on Dr. Whooves, Coco Pommel, Octavia, Daring Do, Bon Bon, Lotus Blossom, and the filly princesses.  If you backed any of them, they are giving a significant discount if you order through them.  :)
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: LunaDehligt on September 26, 2014, 12:11:25 PM
so love want everyone! :O
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Judhudson on September 26, 2014, 01:00:00 PM
My Lyra came in yesterday...Zecora ordered :D

They have listed a Discord by the way.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Rainbowrific Renia on September 26, 2014, 01:14:07 PM
I just won an auction for one of their Chrysalis plushies yesterday and it's already been shipped.  I CAN'T WAIT!
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Skeen on September 26, 2014, 02:51:50 PM
My Lyra came in yesterday...Zecora ordered :D

They have listed a Discord by the way.

Did they end up finalizing him?  Last I heard people were griping because he's not like 3 feet tall. 
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Niksilp on September 26, 2014, 04:13:09 PM
My Lyra came in yesterday...Zecora ordered :D

They have listed a Discord by the way.

Did they end up finalizing him?  Last I heard people were griping because he's not like 3 feet tall.

He's not up on OF yet, but he has been listed on eBay for a few days now.
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 26, 2014, 07:27:24 PM
I like those better then the ones at our local toy stores. Maybe if Hasbro put some more oomph into their plushies as the ones at our stores are small, overpriced have strips of flimsy cloth for their "hair" and look more like something you'd get from a dollar store for your pet, then perhaps people wouldn't resort to buying the nicer fakies in my personal opinion. I don't do G4 but THESE are extremely tempting  : :devious:
Title: Re: The truth behind the 12 inch Chinese Plushies
Post by: CupidStrikes on September 27, 2014, 03:24:24 AM
My Lyra came in yesterday...Zecora ordered :D

They have listed a Discord by the way.

Could you take some photos, please? :D I'm debating getting Lyra~
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