Unfortunately they are certainly fake. It cant be said that they are both "real" and "unlicensed" unfortunately. In this case one completely contradicts the other. If they are real they are licensed and made by a licensee. If they are unlicensed then they are fake products. And there is nothing licensed or legit about them. No licensed company is going to simply "copy" an original artists work without the permission of the original creator. Certainly not a company which goes on to sell products so widely.
The patterns are copied from pictures of designs which are submitted to them or that they find online - plushies created by artists. They may not have broken down the plush seam by seam but the factories are recreating the design. Its a grey area because of course, no doubt the plush they are copying are also unlicensed.
The patterns are copied from pictures of designs which are submitted to them or that they find online - plushies created by artists. They may not have broken down the plush seam by seam but the factories are recreating the design. Its a grey area because of course, no doubt the plush they are copying are also unlicensed.
The 4DE plushies look this way too, like they've copied valleyviolet's famous pattern. The fact that the plush is in 2 pieces joined together at the back legs is a trait only her pattern (that I have seen so far) uses.
What I ment was that there is an original product (individual artist's design), then it was 'stolen' the first time (what people might claim as real) by the japanese company and then it was 'stolen' again by companies like FrontWinner. It's like an endless chain of copies =p
And it's certainly interresting to see how the MLP counterfeit market works and is expanding almost daily!
You can make as many ponies as you want using these patterns and use them for any purpose, personal or commercial. If you sell your ponies, please mention that my patterns were used. ;)
....but it's possible that the other side of the tag contains more info.
@hathorcat: It could be that FrontWinner makes them for the japanese company, but I'm not 100% sure on that
@AJLareneg: works fine for me on Firefox and Chrome, but do mind that the charizard is on every page :)
....but it's possible that the other side of the tag contains more info.
If these tags are the same as the ones stuck to the S1 Luna plush, the other side of the tag is completely blank. I cut the tags off mine though, so you'd have to get an image from someone else.
So are they basicly stolen from custom plushie makers?
The patterns are copied from pictures of designs which are submitted to them or that they find online - plushies created by artists. They may not have broken down the plush seam by seam but the factories are recreating the design. Its a grey area because of course, no doubt the plush they are copying are also unlicensed.
The 4DE plushies look this way too, like they've copied valleyviolet's famous pattern. The fact that the plush is in 2 pieces joined together at the back legs is a trait only her pattern (that I have seen so far) uses.
Does anyone have the Cadance one? It does look really pretty but it would be good to know if what you see is what you get ^.^
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Does anyone have the Cadance one? It does look really pretty but it would be good to know if what you see is what you get ^.^
AJLareneg has it! She posted a pic of Cadance with Shining Armor on her instagram (http://instagram.com/p/ny6oYVOQgE/) after she received it. If I remember right, she told me it's pretty good quality, like the others have been so far.
Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?
what do you mean?Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?
LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
what do you mean?Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?
LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
what do you mean?Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?
LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
What they are doing is vaguely illegal - but if Americans don't have easy access to the site, it becomes more difficult to prove what they are doing and even more difficult to find contact information should Hasbro choose to "pony up" their lawyers on behalf of their licensees. China is just one of those countries where you can't typically raise legal charges against anyone because they can choose to ignore it. ;)
I think these would be called knockoffs, I doubt they are true copies where you buy the original and take a rub off of the original pattern. Those DA artists making plushies are also making fake plushes that are unlicensed. Both could be considered morally wrong and depending on different laws in each country could also be illegal.
That being said I own a Daring Do and wouldn't give her up for the world. Hey I make custom my little ponies and that too is a gray area.
So the first Chrysalis on ebay sold for $102.50... I can't believe someone was willing to pay that much for a bootleg plush.
I have alerts for when more get listed, so I'm just going to wait until I can grab her at the BIN price.
So the first Chrysalis on ebay sold for $102.50... I can't believe someone was willing to pay that much for a bootleg plush.
I have alerts for when more get listed, so I'm just going to wait until I can grab her at the BIN price.
Yeah, it completely defeats the purpose of having a cheap, mass produced show accurate plush that's available to the public. I'm willing to bet that the seller has plenty Chrysalis plushes in stock and just put the one on ebay to make it seem limited.
So the first Chrysalis on ebay sold for $102.50... I can't believe someone was willing to pay that much for a bootleg plush.
I have alerts for when more get listed, so I'm just going to wait until I can grab her at the BIN price.
Yeah, it completely defeats the purpose of having a cheap, mass produced show accurate plush that's available to the public. I'm willing to bet that the seller has plenty Chrysalis plushes in stock and just put the one on ebay to make it seem limited.
Yep, Chrysalis should be just like all the rest of the plush have been. The seller will list a new one every day or so. It's a horrible idea to bid on her in particular rather than pay the BIN (which I'm going to guess is between $20 and $30, like their other pony plush) since she's clearly going to go for ridiculous prices.
I contacted the ebay seller last night and asked if they have more Chrysalis in stock. Here's what they said:
Dear spaceytimes,
"Hi
Yes.
We have more.
But now eBay give many limit on the selling quantity.
So you can also buy it directly on our site 123cosplayCom
Thank you"
She's not uploaded to the site yet but she probably will be soon. Might be easier to buy one there than ebay.
A news updated appeared on the FrontWinner website:
2014-05-18 Please don't upload deviantArt pictures when you submit custom plush. Thank you
1. Chinese Mac and that Mac from DA look different. The guy from DA sees what he wants to see.
2. If they are stealing designs, where are the rest of their mlp plushies were stolen from?
3. Plushies from DA were submitted by the visitors. None of them were produced. Actually, uploading plushies designes had another propose. People just got it wrong and spammed it with the existing plushies from DA.
Currently, I don't see any proofs that they steal someone's plushie design.
1. Chinese Mac and that Mac from DA look different. The guy from DA sees what he wants to see.
2. If they are stealing designs, where are the rest of their mlp plushies were stolen from?
3. Plushies from DA were submitted by the visitors. None of them were produced. Actually, uploading plushies designes had another propose. People just got it wrong and spammed it with the existing plushies from DA.
Currently, I don't see any proofs that they steal someone's plushie design.
Plush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.That's exactly what I think. The other day there weren't any plushies that were affordable and good looking at the same time. Then, 4d have made Twi and Pinkie and about to make much more. Now frontwinner have increased a quality of their plushies.
1. Chinese Mac and that Mac from DA look different. The guy from DA sees what he wants to see.
2. If they are stealing designs, where are the rest of their mlp plushies were stolen from?
3. Plushies from DA were submitted by the visitors. None of them were produced. Actually, uploading plushies designes had another propose. People just got it wrong and spammed it with the existing plushies from DA.
Currently, I don't see any proofs that they steal someone's plushie design.
To an extent I agree with you. The Frontwinner pattern looks original to me, but they are likely looking at fanplushes for reference. There's nothing inherently wrong with that though, since plenty of fan artists look at other artists' work for inspiration. There have been other bootlegs that have completely ripped off an artist's original character and design, but I don't think Frontwinner was the manufacturer of those.
The userbase shouldn't have uploaded pictures of artist's plushes in the first place though. I think that's really the main issue here because the artists in question didn't give their consent. Frontwinner is stealing artwork from dA artist's though, and printing them onto pillows. It can't be said that they're stealing plush patterns because in order to do that they'd need to buy one from the artist and take it apart. They likely are using the plush images as reference and attempting the reverse engineer some aspects. But they are completely stealing artwork and selling it on different items. So the Frontwinner business is sketchy and nobody can deny that.
QuotePlush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.That's exactly what I think. The other day there weren't any plushies that were affordable and good looking at the same time. Then, 4d have made Twi and Pinkie and about to make much more. Now frontwinner have increased a quality of their plushies.
If will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.
can we not say custom plush are "overpriced"? It's fine if you can't afford it, but when one considers the time and effort that went into making these plush it's hardly "overpriced".QuotePlush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.That's exactly what I think. The other day there weren't any plushies that were affordable and good looking at the same time. Then, 4d have made Twi and Pinkie and about to make much more. Now frontwinner have increased a quality of their plushies.
It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.
Anyways... I don't think the plush makers of the fandom need to worry too much. Even with 4DE and other show-accurate plushies, a lot of people still commission the Mane 6 from private makers. Plus, big companies will never be able to make OC plushes, or specific outfits, or do a folded wing vs. open wing plush if a customer requests it. People still commission Pokemon plushes to be made, and they have several official plushes for just about every one!
It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.
Custom Plushies are not overpriced. Mass production can do lower prices for various reasons but can also sacrifice quality. OOAK plushies are meant to be that and plus pricing is due to: cost of products use and time to make them. The price for time can vary as some people set the prices to what min-wage is (which is about $7 to $8 in some areas).QuotePlush creators are just mad/causing a storm because there is finally someone out there making plushies that are affordable to all.That's exactly what I think. The other day there weren't any plushies that were affordable and good looking at the same time. Then, 4d have made Twi and Pinkie and about to make much more. Now frontwinner have increased a quality of their plushies.
It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff.
Are they insane?
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SpaceV I don't know you but I think I love you. :) I agree with you completely. (And I have the worst desire to count the stitches in my eyes now!)
SpaceV I don't know you but I think I love you. :) I agree with you completely. (And I have the worst desire to count the stitches in my eyes now!)
Aw, thanks!! Luckily, the program I use does the counting for me. :biggrin:
I think a lot of it stems from the lack of knowledge of the plush making process, and probably a sense of thinking they're entitled to everything.This is something that's important to point out too. I've made some plush of my own, but I don't have any access to an embroidery machine, so while I am well aware of the prices of material and what goes into making them... I did not know the embroidery costs so much extra! It does make the finished product look so much nicer though. :3
A high quality plush takes more than minky and stuffing to make. Most people don't consider the drafting process, prototyping, edits. Other materials can include interfacing, batting, poly pellets, chenille wire, digitizing and embroidery. Most professional digitizing businesses charge a certain amount for every 1000 stitches in the design. My pony eyes range between 8000-16,000 stitches and that's just for one eye. At $2 per 1000 stitches (which I consider to be the bare minimum) two 8000 stitch pony eyes would be $32. Plus, you have to consider the cutie mark and other embroidered features as well.
Materials definitely add up and labor isn't free. I think art as a whole is really underappreciated. It's usually seen as more of a hobby than a career or job.
For anyone wanting that Chryssy bootleg, she is now for sale at 123cosplay.com for $31.90. http://www.123cosplay.com/collections/all/products/my-little-pony-queen-chrysalis-plush-doll-popl9015I'm sure she will drop another $10 eventually- but not a bad price with free shipping- thanks for the link!
Overpriced, imo. She may eventually come down in price on ebay. I feel silly for not realizing earlier but 123cosplay and that ebay seller are Frontwinner.
For anyone wanting that Chryssy bootleg, she is now for sale at 123cosplay.com for $31.90. http://www.123cosplay.com/collections/all/products/my-little-pony-queen-chrysalis-plush-doll-popl9015I'm sure she will drop another $10 eventually- but not a bad price with free shipping- thanks for the link!
Overpriced, imo. She may eventually come down in price on ebay. I feel silly for not realizing earlier but 123cosplay and that ebay seller are Frontwinner.
My hubby just found these in a store here in the US at an anime store:D I talked to the lady at the store who said they are not hasbro licensed but are an offical Japanese licensed company. Apparently they were from the crane games. So excited hubby grabbed me a Luna and Cadence. I really wish I wasn't broke or I'd get some others.how much were they selling for?
My hubby just found these in a store here in the US at an anime store:D I talked to the lady at the store who said they are not hasbro licensed but are an offical Japanese licensed company. Apparently they were from the crane games. So excited hubby grabbed me a Luna and Cadence. I really wish I wasn't broke or I'd get some others.how much were they selling for?
This was kind of random, but she's beautiful.
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Oh my I must have her did you find her on the site or eBay?
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.
Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.
For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/
But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.
Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.
For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/
But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.
Yeah, I have mixed feelings about them. I think they're cute and pretty well made as far as mass produced plushes go. I enjoy seeing the new characters they put out. And I can't really be mad at them for making unlicensed plushes since I'm a plushmaker myself. But you're right in that there is a big difference in one person making a few plushes to get by, and a company mass producing them like crazy just to cash in on something that's trending.
And on the other hand, the company itself has already been proven shady. They're stealing art and printing them onto pillows. Plushes aside, that's a huge issue for me and I won't be supporting that.
Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.
Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.
For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/
But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.
Oh we are out here, I think in one way it is what makes hard for me to get into G4 besides the blind bags, is the ready acceptance of bootleg, copies and the like.Not to ruin the fun of everyone but this whole thing makes me really sad. The same company makes fake Pokémon plush which pretty much all of them are direct copies of custom plush, In the Pokémon fandom most people are against bootlegs but in the pony fandom all I see is people praising the company and putting down Hasbro for "not making good enough plush". Plush like these can contain poisonous fabric and have needles in them for all we know! :-(
If you buy the plush and like them I am not going to argue you about it, If you are happy then that is great! Just that I would never support someone that mass produces plush of another company's characters like this. Plush artists making fanart is another thing, there is a fine line between mass producing something and creating a OOAK plush.
Its not just you, as I am sure people can tell from previous posts, I am not a fan of them either. I think unfortunately the manufacturers have just cottoned on to a product - i.e. plush - that fans want in as much variety and as inexpensively as possible.
For me its not even worth the risk of buying them; if any country's customs knew what these were - fake products - they would be seized before they could even enter the country and the person buying them, if they knew what they were, would be in for as much grief as the seller. :/
But its to each their own and even though customs plush are technically in as much of a grey area as these. I do believe there is a massive moral [if not legal] difference in a person making the odd plush as a company mass producing items.
Yeah, I have mixed feelings about them. I think they're cute and pretty well made as far as mass produced plushes go. I enjoy seeing the new characters they put out. And I can't really be mad at them for making unlicensed plushes since I'm a plushmaker myself. But you're right in that there is a big difference in one person making a few plushes to get by, and a company mass producing them like crazy just to cash in on something that's trending.
And on the other hand, the company itself has already been proven shady. They're stealing art and printing them onto pillows. Plushes aside, that's a huge issue for me and I won't be supporting that.
Glad I am not the only person who think so! I really don't want to support art thieves either ugh.
I would prefer to buy an official product but Hasbro just ain't providing in many cases, and I don't have the budget for a custom plush (not meaning to imply I think customs are overpriced - they're not - I just cannot stretch to the necessary price for a custom plush).I do feel this is what it is for a good amount of people when it comes to the bootleg MLP plushes. I am not really too fond of bootlegs, but I can't fully fault some people who buy the plushes, especially the ones of characters that likely wouldn't get an official Hasbro one (anytime soon, at least). I would think Lyra would get an official plush in the future (especially if they did an official one for DJ, Octavia, and Muffin), but what are the odds of a plush of [for example] Gilda, Braeburn, Sapphire Shores (I think thats her name), and other non-quite-as-popular characters? Now that I think about it, I wonder what the chances are of there being an official Hasbro Discord and Chrysalis plush?
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.
As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.
As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.
Are you positive it was Hasbro? I've heard of people going around reporting things on websites claiming to be Hasbro, and the site just rolls with it. Sorry that happened to you though. I just find it odd since I've only ever heard of one other person getting a real Hasbro C&D.
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.
As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.
Are you positive it was Hasbro? I've heard of people going around reporting things on websites claiming to be Hasbro, and the site just rolls with it. Sorry that happened to you though. I just find it odd since I've only ever heard of one other person getting a real Hasbro C&D.
It was one of Hasbro's Legal representatives. I was skeptical too until I researched the name, and found out that yes, in fact it was one of their hired legal eagles who specialize in trademarks and copyrights. Honestly I'm far from the only person to get nailed on Etsy, I've talked quite a few artists on DA and Etsy and others have been taken down for the same (or similar) thing. I kept the emails in my records, it was the same on both of my etsy stores. :\
I get why they do it, really, I do. I just got bugged that a small time itty bitty seller like me gets a banhammer and companies like the above blatantly rip of fan artists, make and sell hundreds of plushies, and yet Hasbro either can't, or doesn't stop them. :\
Companies like Frontwinner really tick me off... why? Because Hasbro sent me a C&D on Etsy for 4 pony plushies I made and I nearly lost my etsy shops over it. Yet companies like this make and sell hundreds if not thousands of them... and nope. Nothing. Bah.
As for the whole ""It will be much harder for the plushies creators to sell their overpriced stuff."... people who believe that have no idea what it takes to make a custom made OOAK plushie and have no right to squawk.
Are you positive it was Hasbro? I've heard of people going around reporting things on websites claiming to be Hasbro, and the site just rolls with it. Sorry that happened to you though. I just find it odd since I've only ever heard of one other person getting a real Hasbro C&D.
It was one of Hasbro's Legal representatives. I was skeptical too until I researched the name, and found out that yes, in fact it was one of their hired legal eagles who specialize in trademarks and copyrights. Honestly I'm far from the only person to get nailed on Etsy, I've talked quite a few artists on DA and Etsy and others have been taken down for the same (or similar) thing. I kept the emails in my records, it was the same on both of my etsy stores. :\
I get why they do it, really, I do. I just got bugged that a small time itty bitty seller like me gets a banhammer and companies like the above blatantly rip of fan artists, make and sell hundreds of plushies, and yet Hasbro either can't, or doesn't stop them. :\
That makes me wonder what makes them pick someone to C&D then. :huh: I wonder if that means eBay is really the only site "safe" for selling then since they can be fickle about listening to reports. I hear about etsy taking down more accounts in other fandoms than ebay does. But even etsy is starting to get bootleg plush listings and yet like you said, no one does anything about it.
Unfortunately I have heard of a lot of Hasbro lawyer issued C&Ds at the moment. With the size of fandom MLP has become this kind of thing was inevitable. Hasbro may have taken its time getting around to acting but with so many fandom creations out there - many of them getting more attention than anything Hasbro makes money from - they were going to kick in to gear eventually. And its not just plush, its pretty much anything they think has too high a profile.
It is very frustrating for artists who are making the odd plush here and there getting a letter/email like that, while these mass market producers get away with what is going on here. However, it goes back to what we joked about earlier in this thread; their website is blocked from the US for a reason. Yes, its partly to hide what they do but its also so it cannot be claimed they are offering their items into a Hasbro controlled market. While its silly as they can still be seen to trade in countries outside the US, where Hasbro has a presence, the main goal is to protect themselves from all the big US companies they are infringing the copyright of. Unfortunately plush makers [and others who have received cease and desists] are trading in locations where Hasbro has either its own items for sale or it has sold licenses to companies, who expect Hasbro to protect their interests in that market. It is therefore easy and pretty straight forward to order these people to stop, rather than go after a factory on the other side of the world, in a country which pretty much does not care about copyright or intellectual property rights. These factories do get closed down on occasion...but they simply reopen again a couple of weeks later and normally with a minimally different name.
Unfortunately I have heard of a lot of Hasbro lawyer issued C&Ds at the moment. With the size of fandom MLP has become this kind of thing was inevitable. Hasbro may have taken its time getting around to acting but with so many fandom creations out there - many of them getting more attention than anything Hasbro makes money from - they were going to kick in to gear eventually. And its not just plush, its pretty much anything they think has too high a profile.
It is very frustrating for artists who are making the odd plush here and there getting a letter/email like that, while these mass market producers get away with what is going on here. However, it goes back to what we joked about earlier in this thread; their website is blocked from the US for a reason. Yes, its partly to hide what they do but its also so it cannot be claimed they are offering their items into a Hasbro controlled market. While its silly as they can still be seen to trade in countries outside the US, where Hasbro has a presence, the main goal is to protect themselves from all the big US companies they are infringing the copyright of. Unfortunately plush makers [and others who have received cease and desists] are trading in locations where Hasbro has either its own items for sale or it has sold licenses to companies, who expect Hasbro to protect their interests in that market. It is therefore easy and pretty straight forward to order these people to stop, rather than go after a factory on the other side of the world, in a country which pretty much does not care about copyright or intellectual property rights. These factories do get closed down on occasion...but they simply reopen again a couple of weeks later and normally with a minimally different name.
Oh I'm sure Hasbro would send Frontwinner (or any other Chinese knock-off maker) a cease and desist if they could- and maybe they already have- but Chinese copyright laws are pretty different, and what they are doing probably doesn't violate those laws. Makes it pretty hard for Hasbro (or any other company) to do much if anything about copyright infringement. They can stop the company/companies from marketing to the US, but that's about it.
Exactly! Its not that they dont want to, its that they cant and even if they could there would be nothing done about it. If they were seen to be selling directly to the US market - i.e, if the website was not blocked to US IPs - then perhaps Hasbro would attempt something although it would only be to prove to licensees that they are trying. But when Apple and Disney cant stop people basically replicating every inch of their stores, Hasbro sure as heck dont want to waste the effort and money in going after a plush manufacturer who probably is not denting their profit . In the meantime, Hasbro will continue to go after those operating in their main market [even though on a teeny tiny scale] and who they can easily target.
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.
Can you photo her crown?her crown is just more flat felt with painted details. I can snap a photo if you want still. :)
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.
Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.
Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...
Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.
Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.
Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...
Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.
Well I do know some of the 3rd party ones are in the US.
All of this is leaving the quality of Hasbro as a toymaker in the bottom. Is very preocupant that the chinese sellers see only in few months what exactly the market wants, when hasbro spent years for only start understandingI think this is largely because the Chinese manufacturers are getting the ideas DIRECTLY from the fandom, from the impression I'm under. They have a pool open where people post ideas and vote them up. So of course they're hitting all the popular characters...
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.
Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.
Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...
Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.
Well I do know some of the 3rd party ones are in the US.
Apologies but I am not quite sure what you meant :) Would you be able to explain a little more?
If you mean that some of the third party toys are made in the US - its not made in the US, its stocked in the US and sometimes ordered by US companies from Chinese factories [same idea as what Hasbro do now]. Either way, they are illegal and Hasbro will take action against them when they get too loud. I am sure a lot of C&Ds float around to these companies that we dont hear about. iGear's Ramjet is a great example of that - C&D from Hasbro combined with an out and out ban from selling at BotCon shows that Hasbro will protect the brand when they are forced to.
I got a Luna plush from taobao and she has a :3 face
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Do you love her Matcha?? I just ordered a Big Mac...I love her, but I don't like the fact that her bandanna is felt ): Her crown is really sad looking too, it's floppy doesn't quite stand up straight. Some of her embroidered details on her crown and hair don't really match up either. But overall, she's really cute if you don't look too closely! Her eyes are especially nice.
Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but has one of the people who bought these ordered them through that new 123cosplay host that can confirm it's legit? People said they ordered from FrontWinner safely.
I want to order a Big Mac but I also want to know it's a safe source. I think they take payment through Paypal which would offer me some protection but I'd rather avoid the hassle altogether if it might be a scam source.
I was kind of excited for the cmcs but that purple in Applebloom's hair looks atrocious. That tiny purple stripe on her tail that doesn't even connect looks pretty weird. Mouth and nose are off too. They went with some bad design choices on this one.
I know these are knockoffs but it's not that hard to match colors and position the embroidery correctly.
Discord looks pretty good though, even if he's too chibi for my taste.
Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but has one of the people who bought these ordered them through that new 123cosplay host that can confirm it's legit? People said they ordered from FrontWinner safely.
I want to order a Big Mac but I also want to know it's a safe source. I think they take payment through Paypal which would offer me some protection but I'd rather avoid the hassle altogether if it might be a scam source.
Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but has one of the people who bought these ordered them through that new 123cosplay host that can confirm it's legit? People said they ordered from FrontWinner safely.
I want to order a Big Mac but I also want to know it's a safe source. I think they take payment through Paypal which would offer me some protection but I'd rather avoid the hassle altogether if it might be a scam source.
It's safe. :) AJLareneg and I both ordered Chrysalis through 123cosplay and we've both received her. 123cosplay is the US-accessible site for FrontWinner-created products.
I was kind of excited for the cmcs but that purple in Applebloom's hair looks atrocious. That tiny purple stripe on her tail that doesn't even connect looks pretty weird. Mouth and nose are off too. They went with some bad design choices on this one.
I know these are knockoffs but it's not that hard to match colors and position the embroidery correctly.
Discord looks pretty good though, even if he's too chibi for my taste.
I got a Luna plush from taobao and she has a :3 face
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Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but has one of the people who bought these ordered them through that new 123cosplay host that can confirm it's legit? People said they ordered from FrontWinner safely.
I want to order a Big Mac but I also want to know it's a safe source. I think they take payment through Paypal which would offer me some protection but I'd rather avoid the hassle altogether if it might be a scam source.
It's safe. :) AJLareneg and I both ordered Chrysalis through 123cosplay and we've both received her. 123cosplay is the US-accessible site for FrontWinner-created products.
How long did it take??
I just got my Big Mac in the mail he is adorable!!!
I'm in the uk and get redirected to /all too...what do you mean?Just for reference, the frontwinner website blocks north American IP addresses. That's why niksilp and I kept being redirected. I wonder why they've done that?
LOL - and that just confirms what they are all about I guess.
What they are doing is vaguely illegal - but if Americans don't have easy access to the site, it becomes more difficult to prove what they are doing and even more difficult to find contact information should Hasbro choose to "pony up" their lawyers on behalf of their licensees. China is just one of those countries where you can't typically raise legal charges against anyone because they can choose to ignore it. ;)
Yes - what lovesbabysquirmy has said.
There is no reason to block US IP addresses for any website unless they dont want Americans or US companies to see what is on the site. Its crude and its not really hard for any one to get around but its a common and easy initial step for a company which is engaging in questionable activities. And as this company is known to produce bootleg products, as the products collectors have come across have no mention of Hasbro on the labels then they are producing things outside of license...which is illegal.
I just got my Big Mac in the mail he is adorable!!!
I won one for $20 including shipping :heart: SO antsy to get him in the post!! Can you show us pics of yours...PLEASE!?
Why no Bon Bon? :(
My question if Hasbro is sending these C&D orders on plushie makers for MLP, why do they let the 3rd party companies make Transformers. I know they make more than custom plush makers as they mass produce and sell their toys for about $100-120 each. It seems the MLP community has way less leeway that the Transformers community.
Not really. Hasbro and Takara fought and won a couple of court cases against fake TF manufacturers in the 80s but they were US based companies who were designing and importing goods so easy to take to/defend against in court for copyright infringement. Knock off Transformers are completely illegal as well as was proven by both those court cases.
Hasbros lack of action on third party TFs, is the same as their lack of action here. Most of them come out China - a location where copyright laws dont exist and where they still refuse to sign up to Berne. While they have occasionally asked some retailers not to carry them, they will occasionally issue C&Ds to US based companies or individuals and I think they even had ebay do a sweep a few years ago, its just that outside the US the practicalities dont really exist to stop it. They have done sweeps on TF fandom members and websites in the past. They dont treat the TF fandom any more lenient than MLP, in fact they are stricter due to the fact TF is pretty much their core product and their biggest license generator due to the films. Its just that TF is so big in comparison to MLP, I think a lot of the legalities are lost in the volume. They have done quite a few things re 3rd party toys and copyright infringement:-
1) Told various retailers they would not longer stock them as a supplier if they carried a certain KO toy
2) Issed C&Ds to a couple of online retailers based in the US who specialised in selling KOs
3) Put in one of the terms of BotCon that Hasbro had the right to actually seize any items being sold which infringed Hasbro copyright...now that one is pretty extreme!
4) Sent C&Ds to domain name owners whose domain related to their brand
And several more...
Hasbro can be quite litigious; however they tend to focus on their brands as a whole rather than individual companies making products which probably dont affect their bottom line. Its more about ensuring if they are ever challenged over the rights to their products they can show they have in fact acted to defend it over the years. They have tried to sue Asus over the name of their computer [calling it Transformer Prime], they sent a C&D to a political campaign over use of Monopoly images and they sued a company who had made a FB game based off of Scrabble. They pick fights they can win.
Well I do know some of the 3rd party ones are in the US.
Apologies but I am not quite sure what you meant :) Would you be able to explain a little more?
If you mean that some of the third party toys are made in the US - its not made in the US, its stocked in the US and sometimes ordered by US companies from Chinese factories [same idea as what Hasbro do now]. Either way, they are illegal and Hasbro will take action against them when they get too loud. I am sure a lot of C&Ds float around to these companies that we dont hear about. iGear's Ramjet is a great example of that - C&D from Hasbro combined with an out and out ban from selling at BotCon shows that Hasbro will protect the brand when they are forced to.
Hmmm I guess they are produced out of country according to my hubby but here is the main site that sales them.
http://tfsource.com/3rd-party-figures/
Also sold at
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/search.aspx?search=Third%20Party%20Transforming%20Toys%20&%20Accessories
Which bigbadtoystore is a pretty major site. Can't the custom plush makers call them by other names? Like Butterfly or something that seems to be what most of the 3rd party transformers do.
How do we order these?! I totally need/want a Dr. Whooves! :DFor now they're only listed on onlyfactory. They might show up on ebay and 123cosplay later, but I'm unsure of that right now.
is this an ebay search? or do you have to order direct through a manufacturing site?
How do we order these?! I totally need/want a Dr. Whooves! :DFor now they're only listed on onlyfactory. They might show up on ebay and 123cosplay later, but I'm unsure of that right now.
is this an ebay search? or do you have to order direct through a manufacturing site?
Also 4de is making whooves, and he will likely be a lot better quality. These bootleg dolls are nice but there is always some issue with them. Flat mane. Weird front view, uneven ears...stuff like that.
And since they're roughly the same price...eh?
I'm only buying characters that seem unlikely to get an official release, personally, but to each their own of course! :3
I got a Big Mac and am super happy with it...it's heads and tails above the other plushies that are out right now! That includes TY! I think they're fab, and actually purchased the other plushes (aurora, wal-Mart string hair, tY, etc) so i could compare them all for people who are interested in purchasing a good one. I'd highly recommend the 12 inchers, but i've not gotten my hands on a 4DE model yet (hoping for Twi..she looks adorable) and I'm not even a plushie fan!! It'll be nice to actually compare the two for quality, but i have to say, the 12 inch Big Mac for kids to play with (very cuddly) maybe the 4DE for serious collectors?The thing with this, is that they both run the same price points. If the bootlegs were a lot less money then maybe... but at $25 for most of the standard characters (the princess 4de dolls cost more) I'd gotta recommend 4de over the bootlegs.
I got my Big Mac for $10 and $9.99 shipping. I thought that was an excellent deal, especially since Canada seldom gets really cool stuff until way past when it's hot. Is the 4DE $25 retail, or does that include shipping?
I got my Big Mac for $10 and $9.99 shipping. I thought that was an excellent deal, especially since Canada seldom gets really cool stuff until way past when it's hot. Is the 4DE $25 retail, or does that include shipping?
The thing with this, is that they both run the same price points. If the bootlegs were a lot less money then maybe... but at $25 for most of the standard characters (the princess 4de dolls cost more) I'd gotta recommend 4de over the bootlegs.
I see Nightmare Moon is now up on Ebay. Another one to add to the Watch List...
I'm curious to find out whether anyone who buys her actually receives her. Especially since I don't think she's up on FrontWinner or 123cosplay yet, and as far as I was aware, all of the eBay sellers for these plush are wholesalers.I see Nightmare Moon is now up on Ebay. Another one to add to the Watch List...
That's weird. I backed that particular project and they're nowhere near having enough interest to make her, even for the people who put down their deposit for her. Tempted to buy one on Ebay, since I have an Australian address too... Hmm....
I'm curious to find out whether anyone who buys her actually receives her. Especially since I don't think she's up on FrontWinner or 123cosplay yet, and as far as I was aware, all of the eBay sellers for these plush are wholesalers.I see Nightmare Moon is now up on Ebay. Another one to add to the Watch List...
That's weird. I backed that particular project and they're nowhere near having enough interest to make her, even for the people who put down their deposit for her. Tempted to buy one on Ebay, since I have an Australian address too... Hmm....
k i found spike.
so to back it. you essentially purchase it and hope enough people join you to get it made?
who wants to join me?
Just got an email from OnlyFactory that the NMM plush production is complete, and she's now purchasable on the website. So, looks like we can expect things that end up with completed prototypes to end up for sale eventually whether they hit the necessary 300 pledges or not (NMM ended with only 190 pledges).
They said she was a test for their new business model, supposedly. So we'll have to wait and see what happens with the other ones. I still find it weird they made finished prototypes of ones with only 5 or 6 pledges and nothing for ones with a lot more than that. It seems like they already have an idea which ones they're going to be making.Just got an email from OnlyFactory that the NMM plush production is complete, and she's now purchasable on the website. So, looks like we can expect things that end up with completed prototypes to end up for sale eventually whether they hit the necessary 300 pledges or not (NMM ended with only 190 pledges).
Suspicious that she's suddenly done just as a whole crop of them hit eBay, especially since she's only half funded....
It's not. But I'd still like to know what's going to be the status quo on a lot of these to see if it's worth 'backing' them or not. It's still too early to tell for sure.
Keelee, thanks so much for doing the review/comparison with NMM and Aurora Luna! I really love seeing and reading about the differences between the plush. Are you going to get 4DE Luna in the fall? I'd be really curious to see another review comparing her to the OF NMM and Aurora Luna.
That Aurora Luna is aaaalmost cute enough to get, but there is something about her muzzle...
That Aurora Luna is aaaalmost cute enough to get, but there is something about her muzzle...
Really? I like her muzzle. It's her legs and her tail that bother me. Gonna be finding a way to stuff thatsacktail, let me tell you.
LOL Keelee, I got my Aurora Luna last night and was going to take the same pics you did for this thread! XD
My only complaint with NMM is the moon on her necklace thing, but that's not really even a complaint because it's well done and looks fine. I am wondering if I can get her tail off so I can insert a wire or something to make it stand up better but honestly for $30 I'm probably not going to bother. If I wanted her to be 100% perfect I'd make one myself, you know? ;)
And if I do not get 4DE Luna I will die. Seriously.
EDIT - I ordered the 3 new CMCs from OF too and they have shipped! I will post pics when they arrive. :)
I look forward to seeing a comparison with 4DE Luna in the future then :DKeelee, thanks so much for doing the review/comparison with NMM and Aurora Luna! I really love seeing and reading about the differences between the plush. Are you going to get 4DE Luna in the fall? I'd be really curious to see another review comparing her to the OF NMM and Aurora Luna.
Thank you, I'm glad someone found it interesting! :happy: You know I think I will have to get 4DE Luna now, hehe, so I can have Luna in her three major forms! (S1, S2 onwards, and NMM.) I think the way they're doing her mane is going to look super cool. And I would be happy to compare them for you then. :) I'm still waiting on 4DE to release my Rarity, too! (It's funny, these two are actually my first pony plush because I'm trying to be very selective with my purchases, but even though I've been waiting for 4DE Rarity for much longer than I've known about these two, they've both managed to come out before her, let alone poor 4DE Luna!)
(Also, I love your DJ display! They look so cool all displayed together like that!)
Where are you guys getting aurora luna?
Please tell me there's other sites to buy these from? :cry:
Did you watch the people commenting on the CMCs and saying Scootaloo's hair was the wrong color? What color hair did yours end up with? I'm curious if they actually changed it like they said they would. I can't really tell, the difference was so tiny it wasn't really worht whining about IMO...
CMC's have landed! :D
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They're about 2 inches smaller than the normal FW plushies and of pretty decent quality, actually. They've got nice tight embroidery and they seem really solid despite being squeezable still. They stand perfectly on their own, compared to the Build a Bear versions which tip over onto their muzzles.
It's interesting to note that as I was taking these pics, Mr. Skeen made the comment that the knockoffs were obvious... but he thought the BaB's were the knockoffs! He was incredulous when I corrected him. "But, these don't even look like ponies. Why are the wings and horn sparkly? Why are their heads so big?" And so on and so forth. :P
Comparisons with the BaB plushies. Forgive that they look like they're all kissing each other. The BaB's, as I said, don't stand on their own:
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Comic shops sell 4DE plushes?
I also just checked in with a few comic sellers who sell 4DE- they are expecting 8 of the new 4DE ponies (including their awesome Luna) in November/December!!!!!! I can't wait...
They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...You requested Flash Sentry? :o
I'm holding my breath. Considering how long it took to get the first 2 mane 6 out the door, I'd sooner say we won't see the others until next year. :huh:
As for Onlyfactory: I can still access the 2 I'm backing (the filly princesses have 186 backers, and Flutterbat has only 31).
I put a reserve on one, but someone else had posted him up. I never posted any ideas directly to the site because I didn't want a lawsuit on my hands in case it ever went that far. Maybe the person who posted his idea took it down, it doesn't say. The picture is gone in my wanted page and it just loads a 404 error now. :(What a shame :( I would love a Flash plush...(even though I haven't acquired any other Chinese bootleg MLP plush yet :P)
They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...i had put a dollar toward him too.
i wanna see pictures of your flash plush! i really love his design and stuff. ;_;They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...i had put a dollar toward him too.
bummer.
i already have a flash plush. (and am making 3 more. mwhahahaha) but i really wanted to see how he would turn out.
if it'f flash. i want one.
They took down Flash Sentry, and I'm not sure what's going on there. I had a $1 on him...You requested Flash Sentry? :o
Post Merge: August 11, 2014, 03:21:47 PMI'm holding my breath. Considering how long it took to get the first 2 mane 6 out the door, I'd sooner say we won't see the others until next year. :huh:
As for Onlyfactory: I can still access the 2 I'm backing (the filly princesses have 186 backers, and Flutterbat has only 31).
I'm rooting for Flutterbat :P I don't know much about the filly princesses :s
My Lyra came in yesterday...Zecora ordered :D
They have listed a Discord by the way.
My Lyra came in yesterday...Zecora ordered :D
They have listed a Discord by the way.
Did they end up finalizing him? Last I heard people were griping because he's not like 3 feet tall.
My Lyra came in yesterday...Zecora ordered :D
They have listed a Discord by the way.