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Title: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: iam_misshennessy on August 25, 2020, 06:09:46 PM
There's a girl on a website who had about 8 ponies listed. All were common except one was sea pony Seawinkle in her shell. Which I guess can be considered not common. Definitely wouldn't say rare though. After seeing Melody listed as a "rare glitter pony" for.... get ready.... $90 PLUS $8.50 shipping... then Tex, with no hat, bandana or comb, as a "rare cactus pony" (haha, cactus pony) for $125 + $8.50 shipping, I had to say something.

I VERY politely explained I was messaging to help with sales. Said any questions, just ask. And included most of her ponies are extremely common. Then listed the average price she SHOULD be charging for each of her ponies.

I was super nice about it. Was literally trying to help. Wasn't going to buy any and even told her I wasn't interested in purchasing, just trying to help, so she didn't think it was a ploy. Also told her two different sites to price check.

No response. Forgot about it.

Two days later and it's today. What do I see?

A "rare" Twice As Fancy Milkyway (which i think we all know is most definitely NOT a rare pony) for sale... are you ready for the price? :lol:
................. $176  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I am sooooo sick of people lying for sales. It's gross. It makes you a crap person because you could be scamming some poor girl who's just getting started, and scam her out of every penny she's raised. All for one pony who's got a 10x inflated price. Yes, the buyer should do research, but still. I guess I just dont appreciate scamming people. Even if the buyer should be smarter. *shrug*

I honestly might flag all of her posts as scams. They say inflating prices isn't allowed. Nor is claiming an item to be of higher value due to quantity (so you cant say a commom item is rare... *clears throat*). Kinda feel rude flagging them, but I'm also sick of these a-holes screwing people over. Not cool! I sell on Mercari & ALWAYS price check. I try to do at least $1 less but if already low i will match the lowest price I see. Only time I ask more is if (A) mine is better quality, or (B) the person selling isn't a collector and is selling dirt cheap.

Anyways.... i just wanted to rant haha

How do you feel seeing people lie about a pony's value or rarity just for sales? Does it bother you? or could you care less if they're screwing people over?


Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: SunPony on August 25, 2020, 06:31:02 PM
Wow, that Medley price is...highly questionable.  AND MilkyWay.  Yikes.  I've certainly seen some prices on ebay that are higher than what I would expect, and it doesn't usually bother me, but wow, those are WAY beyond normal value.  Unless there is something super special about them, I'm assuming they're just loose and not MIB or anything... 
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 25, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
I think it's hilarious moreso than anything else. I know the ponies won't sell at the ridiculous prices, so I don't poke the bear.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: northstar3184 on August 25, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
Yep, it annoys me too. That and when people sell lots composed of fakies, call them MLP and ask prices you'd expect for actual MLP.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: FernMariposa919 on August 25, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
Haha, I've noticed this as well. I recently started bidding on ponies on ebay and am shocked by the amount of times very common pony (or at least I thought were pretty common!) are called "rare". And some of the prices are pretty ridiculous. I think the most I've paid for a pony (so far) is $14. My goal is to only pay ten dollars and under, but if I go up to $15, that's fine as long as I don't do it to often. Yeah, I won't be buying Mimic anytime soon! I'm now looking at Sunbeam, Firefly, Sundance, and Tootsie who are all on my mantle (and all cost less than $10 each!) and couldn't be more pleased!
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 25, 2020, 09:15:19 PM
I could care less.  A little research never hurt anyone, buyers AND sellers alike.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: LadyAmalthea on August 25, 2020, 09:56:13 PM
I just laugh and think to myself, yeah, you're not gonna sell that. I saw a Blossom up for sale a couple months ago, not sure what selling platform but it was a local sale, so maybe craigslist? and as far as I could tell was not any kind of Nirvana or rare variant, for like $125 or something ludicrous. I don't get mad or anything; I doubt any collector would fall for that without doing even a 2 minute price check on Google to see if that price is legit before parting with their hard-earned Ben Franklin and then some.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Carrehz on August 26, 2020, 01:37:45 AM
*shrug* it's their merch, they can ask what they want for it. They're not gonna get it, mind, but... ;) I don't bother anyone about prices, even if it does annoy me.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Ponybookworm on August 26, 2020, 01:51:13 AM
I see an overpriced Pony, I don't buy, simple!!! If we all do that they will learn not to charge so much...
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Taffeta on August 26, 2020, 02:32:54 AM
@OP - you mean Medley, right? Melody *is* a rare pony ;) Esp over there in the US.

Although here Medley is a rare pony, so yeah...but common ponies the US had that the UK didn't have always been cheaper than the reverse.

I tend to feel like if a seller is too lazy to ID their pony or do the proper research, they should be ignored.

Buyers should do their research too. Though it's hard to gauge accurate price values and I really don't like 'price guides' because everyone has different ideas of value. Some won't pay more than $5 for a pony, and that's fine. Others will pay $50 for that pony they really want. Also fine.

...My biggest bugbear is the people who go "rare my little pony, don't know it's name but maybe you do!"

...If you want my money, do the work and find out what the pony is called, at least, before throwing it on ebay and saying it's rare. If you don't know the name, you don't know if it is rare :P

But the thing is to people outside MLP, one pony is as good as another. Unless you know MLP, you don't know that it's really not that simple.

So yeah, I'd like sellers to do research and stop being greedy. But it's mostly on buyers to ignore them.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Ponyfan on August 26, 2020, 06:40:44 AM
What really gets me is the listings that say "Lot of real  MLPs" and when you check out the ad it's one McDonald's pony and a bunch of fakies.  I think a lot of that comes from people not doing their research though and assuming any small toy horse must be a MLP.


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on August 26, 2020, 07:23:50 AM
I get why some people think it isn't a big deal, but what if someone is looking for a pony as a gift and don't know that it's only supposed to cost $10?  Back when I was collecting Beanie Babies (back in the 90s, when the craze was actually crazy), a new one came out that I wanted and it hadn't shown up at Hallmark yet.  Well, my dad was on a business trip and found one in a shop for $60.  He bought it for me.  I found it at Hallmark less than a week later for $5.  I never did tell him that because I didn't want him to feel dumb for paying so much for it.  I quit asking him to look for any new ones after that because I didn't want him to pay that much again.

I think if people are misrepresenting, they should be told because when people see "rare" and a high price next to it too often, they start to believe that commons like Cotton Candy are worth their weight in gold.  One of my customs got a nasty comment from someone because they thought I had "destroyed" a "rare and valuable" big brother pony that was "easily worth $125" and "now it isn't worth anything."  Um...it was a 4-Speed that some child had chopped off all the hair and drawn on with a sharpie.  I paid $5 for it specifically to customize because it wasn't in salvageable condition. The seller on eBay who accepted my $5 offer clearly understood that but there are people out there who just have no clue. 
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: otocolobus_manul on August 26, 2020, 07:50:42 AM
That happened to me, too - my parents wanted to know what I wanted for Christmas so I sent them a link to an auction, which they didn’t look at until after the auction had ended. eBay did that unforgivable thing where it puts a completely different listing at the top of the screen, and my parents assumed that’s what I meant and bought a very overpriced item that I didn’t actually want. Granted, I like the item I ended up getting, but I feel bad they spent 6 times what it was worth (considering it’s worth $3). I can’t bring myself to tell them.

Speaking of which, I was just browsing eBay and found someone listing some very common, rather baity g1s for $175 per adult and $125 per baby. What is wrong with people?
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Ponyfan on August 26, 2020, 07:58:38 AM
I get why some people think it isn't a big deal, but what if someone is looking for a pony as a gift and don't know that it's only supposed to cost $10?  Back when I was collecting Beanie Babies (back in the 90s, when the craze was actually crazy), a new one came out that I wanted and it hadn't shown up at Hallmark yet.  Well, my dad was on a business trip and found one in a shop for $60.  He bought it for me.  I found it at Hallmark less than a week later for $5.  I never did tell him that because I didn't want him to feel dumb for paying so much for it.  I quit asking him to look for any new ones after that because I didn't want him to pay that much again.

I think if people are misrepresenting, they should be told because when people see "rare" and a high price next to it too often, they start to believe that commons like Cotton Candy are worth their weight in gold.  One of my customs got a nasty comment from someone because they thought I had "destroyed" a "rare and valuable" big brother pony that was "easily worth $125" and "now it isn't worth anything."  Um...it was a 4-Speed that some child had chopped off all the hair and drawn on with a sharpie.  I paid $5 for it specifically to customize because it wasn't in salvageable condition. The seller on eBay who accepted my $5 offer clearly understood that but there are people out there who just have no clue. 

I remember the Beanie Baby craze well and how some were considered very rare and worth hundreds because they had a different kind of pellets in them or were initially hard to find because not many had reached stores. 

This also happens a lot with Barbie dolls. A lot of people that aren’t in to Barbie will list them as “rare 1966 Barbie “ because they just looked at the date marked on the back of the doll and assume that’s the date the doll was made when it’s actually the date that the body mold was made.

I don’t think anyone is saying if someone decides to buy a $200 Cotton Candy because the seller lists it as rare that the buyer deserves to be taken advantage of.

I had a similar issue with one of my customs.  My pony persona Marius is Marius from Les Miserables as a pony.  The artist that made him for me assured me that she would only use a G1 boy base that was beyond restoring.  I was really happy when he arrived as I had waited a very long time for him.  My artist posted him on Deviantart and one of the comments was they had “destroyed” a Big Brother and made it worthless. :sad:  It made me very sad and took part of the joy of having my boy away.

Ponyfan

Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 26, 2020, 08:03:16 AM
I get why some people think it isn't a big deal, but what if someone is looking for a pony as a gift and don't know that it's only supposed to cost $10? 
I get around this by putting average price for the pony or a general price range when I ask. It's always tricky with secondhand stuff though. My dad has gotten pretty good at pony prices and hunting after a few years in a row of me asking for them, ha.
I think if people are misrepresenting, they should be told because when people see "rare" and a high price next to it too often, they start to believe that commons like Cotton Candy are worth their weight in gold.
The problem is people not understanding how eBay and secondhand sales in general work. It always comes back around to something like the black diamond Disney VHS, people screenshot a currently avaliable listing for a super high price but never look at the sold listings to see what's up.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: banditpony on August 26, 2020, 08:09:20 AM
I'll be the weird one. I personally do find G1 MLPs to be rare. I think it's pretty subjective.

That said... Sellers can ask what they want. Buyers will determine if a sale is to be made. *shrug*
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: brightberry on August 26, 2020, 09:16:06 AM
I would be slightly annoyed if it was something I wanted to buy.  And I get that people unfamiliar with prices could end up paying too much.  But on the bright side, maybe the seller really needed the money or bought from someone who did.  We don't really know how things turn out.  I choose not to let myself be drawn into their problems.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Taffeta on August 26, 2020, 10:14:41 AM
I'll be the weird one. I personally do find G1 MLPs to be rare. I think it's pretty subjective.

That said... Sellers can ask what they want. Buyers will determine if a sale is to be made. *shrug*

Well, rare in terms of comparison to the past, maybe, but in context with the collectable, not. It's how you determine the term really.

I still think that it's very much about the buyer doing some research though.

I totally get what people are saying about family members and presents and so on, and it sucks when that happens. I think sellers do need to do research about what they are listing, and putting $125 next to say, Milky Way is not helpful.

BUT!

Pricing is very subjective in pony terms.

For example - in our collecting sphere, which one would you pay more for? Sunburst or Firefly?

Probably Sunburst.

BUT if you grew up here in the UK in the 1980s, you're much more likely to have come across Sunburst (the pony) than Firefly (the pony). You can't entirely rely on random sellers doing random prices for ponies that weren't sold in your locale.

Somewhere along the line you have to take responsibility for what you spend your money on. And the only way to discourage price hikers is to ignore their auctions and not buy from them. That requires buyers to do some of their own legwork.

And that probably extends to telling parents or family members a rough budget for the item you want when you put it on your wishlist to them, so that you can protect them from those people and their hiking as well.

We live in a world where people in general are lazy about information, accurate or otherwise. But that's why you end up with people spending too much monry or even being scammed over a 'variant' or whatever. It's like anything else you buy - you do the research first, or you might end up getting a nasty surprise. Just because these are toys doesn't make that different.

Basically I don't want to reward the lazy and greedy sellers who think that because they found a grimy peachy they're gonna make a fortune - and don't even have to wash or identify their item first. The better informed buyers are beforehand, the less that happens. And the happier a buyer will be.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on August 26, 2020, 10:25:14 AM
I get why some people think it isn't a big deal, but what if someone is looking for a pony as a gift and don't know that it's only supposed to cost $10?  Back when I was collecting Beanie Babies (back in the 90s, when the craze was actually crazy), a new one came out that I wanted and it hadn't shown up at Hallmark yet.  Well, my dad was on a business trip and found one in a shop for $60.  He bought it for me.  I found it at Hallmark less than a week later for $5.  I never did tell him that because I didn't want him to feel dumb for paying so much for it.  I quit asking him to look for any new ones after that because I didn't want him to pay that much again.

I think if people are misrepresenting, they should be told because when people see "rare" and a high price next to it too often, they start to believe that commons like Cotton Candy are worth their weight in gold.  One of my customs got a nasty comment from someone because they thought I had "destroyed" a "rare and valuable" big brother pony that was "easily worth $125" and "now it isn't worth anything."  Um...it was a 4-Speed that some child had chopped off all the hair and drawn on with a sharpie.  I paid $5 for it specifically to customize because it wasn't in salvageable condition. The seller on eBay who accepted my $5 offer clearly understood that but there are people out there who just have no clue. 

I remember the Beanie Baby craze well and how some were considered very rare and worth hundreds because they had a different kind of pellets in them or were initially hard to find because not many had reached stores. 

This also happens a lot with Barbie dolls. A lot of people that aren’t in to Barbie will list them as “rare 1966 Barbie “ because they just looked at the date marked on the back of the doll and assume that’s the date the doll was made when it’s actually the date that the body mold was made.

I don’t think anyone is saying if someone decides to buy a $200 Cotton Candy because the seller lists it as rare that the buyer deserves to be taken advantage of.

I had a similar issue with one of my customs.  My pony persona Marius is Marius from Les Miserables as a pony.  The artist that made him for me assured me that she would only use a G1 boy base that was beyond restoring.  I was really happy when he arrived as I had waited a very long time for him.  My artist posted him on Deviantart and one of the comments was they had “destroyed” a Big Brother and made it worthless. :sad:  It made me very sad and took part of the joy of having my boy away.

Ponyfan

I wonder if it was the same troll who commented on my Troubleshoes.  After looking at their profile and their gallery that was named something like "Stupid things people did" that was filled with beautiful customs, I blocked the user from being able to comment on my stuff.

Basically I don't want to reward the lazy and greedy sellers who think that because they found a grimy peachy they're gonna make a fortune - and don't even have to wash or identify their item first. The better informed buyers are beforehand, the less that happens. And the happier a buyer will be.

I totally agree with this.  So many people think that they're going to make a fortune off of the one grimy, well-played with toy that they found in a thrift store because someone made a mint off of a MIB of the same toy. 
 
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: SunPony on August 26, 2020, 10:46:31 AM
OP seemed to indicate that price inflation was not allowed on the site/service they were looking at.  So in that case, it should be on the seller, NOT on the buyer, to use reasonable pricing.  Yes, buyers should do research.  But at least in OP's case, I think the seller should be held accountable.  So often sellers do not follow the rules of the sites they list on, and I think they should be called out for it.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Taffeta on August 26, 2020, 10:52:14 AM
OP seemed to indicate that price inflation was not allowed on the site/service they were looking at.  So in that case, it should be on the seller, NOT on the buyer, to use reasonable pricing.  Yes, buyers should do research.  But at least in OP's case, I think the seller should be held accountable.  So often sellers do not follow the rules of the sites they list on, and I think they should be called out for it.

It's very hard to tell people what they should charge for second hand items. I am unsure how that case can be proven for a second hand toy with a subjective value scale that is far from concrete.

I agree it shouldn't happen, but we don't live in a very nice world :/
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: banditpony on August 26, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
I'll be the weird one. I personally do find G1 MLPs to be rare. I think it's pretty subjective.

That said... Sellers can ask what they want. Buyers will determine if a sale is to be made. *shrug*

Well, rare in terms of comparison to the past, maybe, but in context with the collectable, not. It's how you determine the term really.

I still think that it's very much about the buyer doing some research though.

I said it was subjective... We can disagree, and it's fine. I know there are ponies that are more rare based on how many were made.. and how location changes things too.

I also think it's dumb to put "RARE" in a sales title because I don't think it really influences sales.

As a buyer if I see something that's too high I just ignore it. It seems odd that these ponies are very high, but the seller will eventually lower prices accordingly if their stuff is sitting without moving. Who knows, maybe they don't even want to sell them in the first place.

BTW, I see these ponies listed on ebay, but it could be that they are on another sales site too.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 26, 2020, 01:31:44 PM
I mean, I'm not thrilled when I see someone touting a regular Cotton Candy as R*A*R*E but on the other hand . . . I also don't care that much?

Like, I'm just not going to buy their $50 Cotton Candy.  It's not really a big deal.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: slyons on August 26, 2020, 02:56:51 PM
I could care less.  A little research never hurt anyone, buyers AND sellers alike.

Research is pretty crucial, I agree
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Wardah on August 26, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
I see things that have been clearanced out a only month ago listed as "RARE" and I guess it is rare in the sense that I can't just pop into Walmart and get one. But then they gotta go and charge 10x retail? It breaks my heart.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: SunPony on August 26, 2020, 08:07:00 PM
It's very hard to tell people what they should charge for second hand items. I am unsure how that case can be proven for a second hand toy with a subjective value scale that is far from concrete.

Whatever sales platform it is does indeed probably have their hands full if they are actually enforcing this rule.  But as for making a case, surely it depends on the asking price involved!  Yeah, if it is, say, 20% over typical sale price that could be hard to prove overpricing.  It's not so hard to imagine if it is listed for 10x the typical recent sale price for the same item (especially if said item in said condition sells regularly in that region of the world)! 
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies \"rare\" FOR SALES?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 27, 2020, 09:01:01 AM
I don't say anything, but I will roll my eyes and scoff at the overeager, greedy idiots. Too bad they can't bother to see that there's tons of the same pony listed below them.

Post Merge: August 27, 2020, 09:02:35 AM

I could care less.  A little research never hurt anyone, buyers AND sellers alike.


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Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 27, 2020, 04:50:31 PM
This is just a hunch, but I'm guessing "inflating prices isn't allowed" means, like, "don't buy up all the toilet paper at Costco and list it for $20 a roll because people are Covid-hoarding", not "you listed your vintage toy for more than someone else listed their vintage toy."

Condition matters sooo much with vintage collectibles, you can't really say "Pony XYZ is worth exactly this."   And then all the variants. I've read entire articles on how to price Pokemon cards and I still don't understand why some holofoil Charizard cards are worth $10,000+ when others--which to me look the same but apparently there's some minute difference--are worth $1,200.  (I think they're even made the same year??)
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: glitterball on August 28, 2020, 02:05:41 AM
Caveat emptor = buyer beware

whether at a boot sale, yard sale, online and even in-store (sometimes).
If you see something that tempts you - research it further!

You can't help or control how all people in the world go about purchasing something, there will always be savvy folks who check everywhere first, others who just pounce at the first thing that they see.

Sellers with huge prices may get lots of search-hits but won't necessarily get sales, but they hold out for that tiny chance that someone out there has not done their full research and will buy their item.

Of course, as others have said earlier, sending a link to a now-completed item that then suggests a similar product, at a higher price is very cheeky of Ebay to do and it is a shame that well-intentioned purchases by family and friends are exploited by Ebay in this way.

It is quite amusing seeing some sellers big-up their "super-rare", grotty, unwashed ponies online. It just worries me that the more they do it, the more that others (non collectors) looking at the listings, hoping to sell their old ponies, don't cause some sort of collector price inflation by thinking: "oh, mine looks like that pink one too, and it has hearts, it must be rare!" and then post their sales at higher opening bids.

Ah well. Just buy what gives you joy, set yourself a limit;

that's why I paid 40 pounds (a couple of years ago) for a gorgeous German Baby Honeycomb but draw the line at a genuine Mimic, as pretty as she is.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: kingluke on August 28, 2020, 05:00:24 AM
I just think those listings make the seller look bad.
I have no interest in overpriced ponies so i ignore them.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Barnacle_lady on August 28, 2020, 05:07:39 AM
Well I dislike it more if I thrift on the fleamarket and people sell common ponies for high prices because online they go for that price. Sell it over there I think. Most people over here come for a bargain. But on the other hand I know our markets are visited very well by tourists who will happily pay for it.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: RoseNoire on August 28, 2020, 06:44:53 AM
Nah, I don't get angry at that. I know the seller won't care if I try to help so I just ignore these. It's not worth feeling upset for that, to me.  I just move on and don't care. :shrug:
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: freezestime on August 28, 2020, 08:40:02 AM
oh man for years someone has been trying to sell a G3 Boogie Woogie and a G3.5 brushable mcdonalds Starsong for $97 on AU eBay
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Tropical_Sunset on August 29, 2020, 07:29:03 AM
What gets to me more than anything is people overcharging for DISGUSTING ponies lol. Like, if you think you really have something here, at least take care of it.  :X
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Taffeta on August 29, 2020, 08:00:08 AM
This is just a hunch, but I'm guessing "inflating prices isn't allowed" means, like, "don't buy up all the toilet paper at Costco and list it for $20 a roll because people are Covid-hoarding", not "you listed your vintage toy for more than someone else listed their vintage toy."

Condition matters sooo much with vintage collectibles, you can't really say "Pony XYZ is worth exactly this."   And then all the variants. I've read entire articles on how to price Pokemon cards and I still don't understand why some holofoil Charizard cards are worth $10,000+ when others--which to me look the same but apparently there's some minute difference--are worth $1,200.  (I think they're even made the same year??)

Yeah, this was what I was getting at. Honestly, I can't imagine any sale platform going to town on enforcing strict pricing limits on second hand toys.

This also reminds me of one of MOC ponies who i stalked on ebay for close to 2 years. I wanted her, but I wasn't interested in the price she was listed at. But eventually, the price came down to my range, and I was able to get her.

I suppose my frustration with this is actually less than people who mislabel ponies under the wrong name, claim it's an exclusive when it isn't, or a rare variant because it's faded...or rerooted...or any of those things. While high prices are a problem, misinformation is actually worse.

It's a deep rooted thing in me since all the reverse gusty scams and also the whole "white haired posey is a UK exclusive" rubbish that happened way back when. Puts my back up far more than someone being greedy with their price because at least that's up front. And you should only ever pay a price for something that you are happy with paying anyway, not because it was paid by x or y already. But if you think you bought something and it turned out to be something else...

Yeah, saw enough of that in the past to really hate misinformation.


Probably a big reason I'm so harsh on ID sites that cba to change bad information, since most of that stuff relates to ponies outside the US and that's apparently less of a problem...I dunno why because it's mostly people in the US who are likely to fall foul of those things when buying ponies. The US information is so concrete online that we can all probably spot a "US exclusive" scam - but there are still so many gaps around the rest of the world that it's not so hard to fake a Nirvana or a "UK variant" and make money from it.

I don't like them, but I'd rather have the "RARE" overpricers that label their item properly than the ones who make stuff up.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on August 31, 2020, 07:03:09 AM
I was watching Hoarders this weekend and it made me think of this thread.  There was a lady who insisted that she could sell an over the door organizer (that I've seen at the dollar store) for $50.  She even said that you "couldn't find that anywhere" so people would pay it.  And she thought that about everything in her house that she "was planning to sell."  I wonder if that's the case with some of these sellers.  They've just gotten such an unrealistic view of the value of their items that they truly believe their item is rare and worth that much.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 31, 2020, 10:49:06 AM
Yeah, I don't think most of the people listing common ponies for inflated prices are trying to fool anybody.  I think they genuinely get it into their head that they have something valuable, and when people tell them otherwise they think "they're just jealous" or "they're trying to trick me into selling it cheap."

Circling back to the Pokemon cards, the reason I was researching them was that one of my friends had a holofoil Charizard card and wanted to sell it.  He was VERY excited at the prospect of having a super rare card.  So I looked into it and quickly realized most Charizard cards weren't worth $10,000+.  Some of them aren't worth much at all.  But when I told him that, it just kind of . . . flew over his head?  Like, he was still positive he had the rarest, most expensive one.  (In the end I told him he should go to a comic book shop to get in contact with a professional appraiser, but I don't know if he ever did.)
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Queen Sophie on September 08, 2020, 08:32:07 PM
I’ve seen some silly overly priced common ponies, but what really bothers me is when the seller knows it’s a common pony, puts it at a fair price, but puts rare in the title just so people looking for rares will come across their actuation.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: IceCrystal02 on September 09, 2020, 01:41:30 AM
I’ve seen some silly overly priced common ponies, but what really bothers me is when the seller knows it’s a common pony, puts it at a fair price, but puts rare in the title just so people looking for rares will come across their actuation.

Yes, I've also noticed that quite a few sellers seem to be doing this. The prices are reasonable, so they seem to know the pony isn't really rare, but they add "rare" to all their auction titles on principle. As someone else has already mentioned, I guess it's because the ponies can't be bought new in shops any more.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: invaderhorizongreen on September 13, 2020, 11:23:33 AM
One of my favorite hobbies on ebay is the delusional pricing hunt, that amuses me greatly.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: Taffeta on September 13, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
TBH, I wouldn't search 'rare' if I was searching ponies, or htf. They seem like subjective search terms that don't really have any meaning to finding an item you want. If there was a nirvana pony or a moc pony I was looking for, it would be easy to miss the pony by including 'rare' in the search terms. So it's really a waste of time to include it except if someone is just scrolling through.

Which now there aren't proper pony categories (Grr) is another pointless exercise.
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 13, 2020, 06:08:43 PM
Yeah, I've never known any collector to use "rare" as a search term . . . If you're actually looking for a rare pony, it's probably a specific one, so you search for the pony's name or description.

I was looking for pictures of Care Bear Cousins when I came across this article, and I think it's exactly the kind of thing that convinces people "Oh! Collectible is worth thousands of dollar!"

Your Old Care Bear Could Be Worth Over Ten Thousand Dollars (https://www.thebreeze.co.nz/home/must-see/2019/07/your-old-care-bear-could-be-worth-over-ten-thousand-dollars.html)

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The bears were the ultimate collectable in the '80's, with their rainbow colours and soft and cuddly designed tummies, and if you've managed to hang on to your Care Bears collection all these years later then you may be sitting on a small goldmine.

With vintage Care Bears now considered a classic, serious toy collectors are now paying huge dollars for cult 80s teddies.

In fact some collections have sold for more than $10,000 - with other single Care Bears fetching hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

And it goes on from there in the same vein.

A few Care Bears / Cousins are worth a lot, like Treat Heart Pig, but MOST of them are very cheap secondhand.  And NOWHERE in the article do they say that.  They imply that every Care Bear is worth hundreds of dollars.  (They also call out original Good Luck Bear as being rare and . . . no??  He's worth $10 or so AFAIK?)
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: iam_misshennessy on September 13, 2020, 07:07:15 PM
I just cant stand scam artists.

 Also like I said originally, it would really suck if someone decided to get some as a gift and obviously not knowing much about them, yet not planning to collect them themselves they don't worry about doing research, and they buy them as a gift and spend all of this money just to find out they got scammed.

I dont like those people being in the community. If they can even say they are haha
Title: Re: Who hates people calling common ponies "rare" FOR SALES?
Post by: svleonard on September 14, 2020, 06:00:39 AM
Because those inflated prices are so high, I highly doubt that anyone would pay them, even an unsuspecting buyer unfamiliar with real prices. If prices of commons are inflated to double or perhaps even triple what they would normally cost, then it's possible a clueless person might buy one as a gift (especially around the holidays). But those prices are so high that I don't think anyone would buy them. It takes two seconds to look stuff up on eBay, and then you would see immediately those ponies are not worth that.
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