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Title: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Mar1978 on August 26, 2020, 08:16:10 AM
What do you consider a my little pony in your mind? Personally I consider them figures, but also does the hair make them also a doll?

I have seen it described as action figure as well, I guess some can be considered that, I have seen some limb articulated g4 and I think g2?  (not sure if the ones whose head is meant to turn like peek a boos and ponies across the generations who did have a head that could turn, are considered articulated)
Would like to know opinions

Marios
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 26, 2020, 08:42:02 AM
brushable figure
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Post by: brightberry on August 26, 2020, 09:07:35 AM
I always went with pony toy.  I mean, My Little Pony has been around so long, I'm sure most people have an idea in their head of what that looks like and what it is.  Trying to describe it any other way would just confuse people.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Mana Minori on August 26, 2020, 09:52:41 AM
Probably going to be a massively unpopular opinion, but I think that since the brushable ponies come with, yanno...brushes and accessories, they would be considered dolls- like any other toy that has brushable hair- Barbie dolls, Troll Dolls....
The figures would be just sculpted (including the blind bags)
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Carrehz on August 26, 2020, 10:11:42 AM
I'm never sure what to call them, either... I usually just go with "pony toy", "animal toy" or maybe "figure". A blind bag pony's a figure, definitely, but if they've got brushable hair... I dunno. I guess "animal toy" works.

IMO an action figure needs some "action" before it can be called that. :P So I guess I'd call the articulated G4s, or the Magic Motion G2s, etc, "action figures" but not a regular static pony. I guess "doll" isn't *technically* incorrect but, I dunno, it just feels wrong to call them that. Maybe that's just me, though. *shrug*
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Ponybookworm on August 26, 2020, 10:50:26 AM
I personally hate when MLPs are referred to as dolls (except Megan, Molly & the EQGs), because to me a doll is a toy made to resemble a human, with two legs, two arms & a head on top of a relatively upright body. I say relatively as you get baby dolls as well, but the main point is their human-like aspect is what imo makes them a doll.

In the same vein I hear people calling all soft toys, teddies, & I'm like nope, due to a teddy being a kind of anthropomorphic bear, with classic bear face, classic bear ears, classic bear paws for back, or lower, feet & the rest in an upright position like Build-A Bear bears & Care Bears to give two examples. I'd never call my plushie sharky from Ikea a teddy, because she's a sharky.

I'd refer to MLP toys as figures: figures you can put stuff on & place in buildings, figures with brushable hair (ideally). Just basically a toy figure shaped like a Pony (ish but that's another topic entirely) with a (usually) brushable mane & tail.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 26, 2020, 02:18:50 PM
I call them all three, just not Action Figure because there is no Action. The only Action is that they take my money.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: LadyAmalthea on August 26, 2020, 02:26:21 PM
Figures, I guess. When I think of figurines, I think of the little 2-inch-high painted figures made of a resin-type material that I had as a kid; I think I had Smurfs, Care Bears, and maybe some Disney characters.

However, this morning my son let his little sisters each play with one of his FiM ponies, they are the big 6" ones, and they have a lot of hair. I couldn't help thinking as these 2 tiny girls were walking around with these big (comparatively, to their size) ponies clutched to their chests that they looked like little girls carrying around a doll. Maybe because all I could see of them was hair, I don't know. But no, I wouldn't normally call them dolls.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: SailorEarth on August 26, 2020, 03:20:36 PM
Back when we still had to fill out customs forms (is that even still a thing?) for shipping out of the country I would always write "toy pony".
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: RoseNoire on August 26, 2020, 03:34:28 PM
I call them figures.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Taffeta on August 26, 2020, 03:43:33 PM
Back when we still had to fill out customs forms (is that even still a thing?) for shipping out of the country I would always write "toy pony".

Yes, it's a thing, and it has been a thing consistently for the last 2 decades at least.

On custom forms I write either used toy, toy pony, pony toy. Something like that.

I agree with PonyBookworm on the doll aspect, it always seems weird when people refer to figures clearly not meant to be humanoid or anthropomorphic as a 'doll'. It's pretty common though...I don't really see how having a brush and accessories makes it a doll, since real horses can have brushes and accessories and nobody's calling them a human because of it...(real horses also have hair!)

...There's also a 'girly toy' slur about the word doll for me. As a kid I hated dolls, and I hated the pink aisle, and I hated the "girly" type of things some of the other kids did, like playing mums and dads and taking baby doll out for a walk/changing nappy etc. I still find those things degrading to young girls, by forcing them into a role they should choose to follow, not be shoehorned into by toys from an early age.

G1 MLP was never enforcedly "girly" in that kind of sense for me as a kid. Because it was so much a toy you made what you chose from, it wasn't necessary to play all those sickly girly games. I mean, I had some ponywear. I had Star Gleamer with her nail polish and stuff. But my ponies fought zombies and abseiled out of windows and went on rambles and beach trips. *shrug*. And I feel like there were a lot of stories in the comic which were about ponies dealing with problems/mischievous magic/evil magic/whatever that it didn't feel like that world where barbie has tea with ken and then dresses all in pink to go for a stroll while smiling ridiculously.

So yeah, for me "doll" is a no. "Pony" is a yes.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: SunPony on August 26, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
I call them all three, just not Action Figure because there is no Action. The only Action is that they take my money.

Ain't that the truth!!  :silly:

But seriously, I guess I've never really thought about what to call them (in conversations) beyond "My Little Ponies." I think on customs forms I've just written something really vague like "plastic toys."  People are making good cases for various terms!  The doll debate is fascinating - yeah, they can be dressed up, and they have brushable hair, but they aren't humanoid in form...
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Sunset on August 26, 2020, 09:11:37 PM
I guess if I had to choose I’d call them “pony toys.”  I agree with the doll sentiment.  I’ve seen them referred to as dolls in articles and interviews and such.  Even Bonnie Zacherle has a refrain she uses in interviews I’ve seen comparing her idea for a pony toy to a doll.  But I also have this slight inward twinge when I hear that word used for ponies.  I also tend to equate “dolls” with something human shaped.

And just for fun, here is what Merriam-Webster has to say

Quote
a small-scale figure of a human being used especially as a child’s plaything

So you know by that definition, an action figure, no matter how masculine, is closer to being a doll than a pony toy is  :shrug:
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Mewtwofan1 on August 26, 2020, 11:57:00 PM
For me, a doll is something with brushable hair or has things like interchangeable accessories or something. A figurine is a chunk of plastic that cannot move or hold any accessories, but it can be placed in a setting with other figurines for play. An action figure is similar to the figurine, but has moving components. If I drew a Venn diagram, it would be in the middle of doll and figurine.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Shaz on August 27, 2020, 01:35:50 AM
It's interesting reading people's views! I'm a bit boring, I just call them ponies :lol:.

When I'm talking about my toy collection I say that I have dolls (as in Monster High, Ever After High, Jem etc), beanies (mostly Ty beanie babies, but to me other plushes come under that heading too) and ponies. All ponies are ponies, regardless of brushable hair or size. Also, I pretty much group my action figures under the doll heading. After all, they're humanoid :shrug:. Thanks to Monster High and DC Superhero Girls, I now associate dolls with cool monsters and superheroes rather than Barbies and babies :lol:. When I was little I would have said I wasn't into dolls (except a couple that had belonged to my mum) but now, as far as I'm concerned, dolls = Monster High = yes please.

If I was explaining my toy collection to a non-collector I'd probably just say "I collect vintage toys, such as My Little Pony."

A word I had never heard before I joined the online collecting community was 'plushie'! I had seen toys called beanbags, beanies, teddies, fluffies and cuddlies, but plushies was new to me.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Ponybookworm on August 27, 2020, 04:16:17 AM
 :dropjaw: :dropjaw: :dropjaw: :dropjaw: :dropjaw: :dropjaw: :dropjaw: :dropjaw: :dropjaw: :dropjaw:
I never would have dreamed in a million years I'd see
So many Pony-loving people who agree with me!!!

I love you all!!! I often see "toy pony" written on Customs declarations as well, so yep, why not their own term??? I use figure as it refers to not only MLP, but also Fairy Tails, Keypers & other similar non-doll toy lines from the 80s & 90s.

Taffeta so much yep!!! I literally never liked baby dolls from the get-go, & even the Sindys i played with went on adventures & climbed trees (remember Sindy???). And yep, the MLP comic stories & books are great. One Mini World book has the Ponies fighting off trolls!!!
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: SpacePinto on August 27, 2020, 05:06:47 AM
Brushable toy horses.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Shaiyeh on August 27, 2020, 06:24:29 AM
I just say "pony" or "pony toy"/"toy pony". I agree with "doll" being more of a human thing, so I'd call Megan and Molly dolls, as well as the EQGs, but the ponies are... ponies. ^^'
:silly:
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: banditpony on August 27, 2020, 07:09:48 AM
I just generally call them toys. I write "plastic toy pony" on customs. But it fits within the definition of figure/figurine.

I feel like dolls are typically human-like... (maybe there are exceptions, I'm not sure).

figure and figurine are sort of interchangable, but refer to something that is more statue-like. Figurines skew more small. A figure can be bigger, like a carousel horse. I could be wrong, but it seems like a doll would also fall under the figure umbrella.

action figures... are figures with some sort of interactive element... like articulation. They have a history of being initially marketed to boys (GI Joe)... but like all things, are not limited to boys.

I also stumbled across this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz,_Inc._v._United_States
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: SailorEarth on August 27, 2020, 10:51:58 AM
Back when we still had to fill out customs forms (is that even still a thing?) for shipping out of the country I would always write "toy pony".

Yes, it's a thing, and it has been a thing consistently for the last 2 decades at least.

I was hyperbolically referring to the handwritten carbon copy customs forms which I haven't seen in my post office for many years now. I'm aware customs forms are still a thing :)
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Marshie on September 02, 2020, 09:35:17 AM
I typically call them figures since that's what I use them for (display and restoration). I have many cherub figurines and I call them that because they are smaller/more fragile (since they're made of porcelain). Dolls in my eyes are like Barbies, Bratz, and other toys resembling humans. I have also been calling my MLP figures just "ponies" as when I say that to people in my life, they instantly know what I'm talking about! Suppose it's all up to personal opinion what they're called!  :P
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Nemesis on September 02, 2020, 10:20:06 AM
Hmm... I always just called them “ponies” or “My Little Ponies”, I guess. XD Kind of like how I referred to all fashion dolls as “Barbies” when I was little, regardless of manufacturer.

That said, I guess if I had to classify them I’d call them “pony dolls”. You can dress them up and style their hair, and those aspects of play are encouraged by playsets and accessories. I also feel like I’ve read that term on packaging (i.e., “Includes 1 pony doll and accessories.”). I guess I would call Kingsley a “lion doll” and Oakley a “moose doll”, for that matter.

For me, a figurine implies something like the G4 blind bag ponies, with tiny size, zero articulation, and no brushable hair. Figure is so heavily associated with the term “action figure” that it’s hard for me to think of the average, non-poseable MLP as one.

...What I’m realizing is that all these terms are pretty arbitrary. XD What you call your ponies is going to be down to personal perception, and that’s fine. :)
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 02, 2020, 10:25:10 AM
A horse toy. It always confuses me when people call them dolls and I've never heard of people referring to them as action figures. Dolls are for people shaped toys. Figurines would be more appropriate for the ceramic statues that were made. The fact that not all ponies have hair to brush and style does not detract from them being horse toys, since many toy horses have moulded manes and tails. However those should always remain a sideline and never overtake the main line of MLP. It was also my gateway into model/toy horse collecting.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: shabbychicdee on September 03, 2020, 12:43:21 AM
figure
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Taffeta on September 03, 2020, 01:36:45 AM
I don't think 'plushie' is a very UK-ish term to be honest. I don't remember it as a kid either.

I do remember that the term So Soft was used for the plush G1 ponies, which confused me a lot when I found DV. I thought all the SS ponies were plushes. ;)

I also agree with that distinction between what dolls meant then and now. If I had been a kid growing up with a choice between G4 and Monster High I would've gone for the dolls without question. MH and EAH - but especially MH - took away the girly dimension and all of that patronising stuff associated with them and the 'things girls do'. Yeah they had fashions and stuff but it was a lot more colourful and creative. While of course G4 stepped back into some of those stereotypes with the really pink packages, parties and fashion.  Of course then the reboot happened, they removed Ghoulia and tried to streamline it into something more girly and 'safe' and I lost interest. I felt like Ghoulia was important in that she communicated differently and was smart despite the stereotype of stupid zombies, and for me removing her was a big mistake. As a kid I would have probably identified most with Ghoulia for those reasons. And then they took her out, so yeah.

(I do like EqG for their colours, although it's mostly all about Sunset Shimmer...because she also has an interesting storyline).

Jem was the coolest doll line of the 1980s imo, but the problem was it ended in 1987-8 and I never saw a Jem doll when I was a kid. I remember I had a VHS for MLP and there's a Jem trailer on it but it's the Abracadabra video for one of the Misfits' songs, I think...which means I thought it was some weird show about magicians and ignored it. I was too young I suppose. I was only 6 in 1988 when the line was about done. I only remember wall to wall barbie. And Barbie in the Uk was all blond hair and blue eyes, no other versions. I wanted something different.

Hence barbie, sindy etc were OUT. I think that was also the appeal of G1, it had so many colours and combinations and wasn't just a wall of sameness. (And this is also why the M6 and I don't get along. Colours, yes. Sameness, yes).

Shana is still my favourite Jem doll, even if she's not my favourite character.

And I only have a handful of EAH dolls, but my favourite is Justine, although I had to get her from the US :/ because I never saw her here. UK stock true to form again...sigh.
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Post by: Griffin on September 03, 2020, 03:21:38 AM
What a fascinating discussion!

The English word I first learned for plushies was stuffed animal (+ teddy for bears, of course). Is that UK-specific? Or old-fashioned? Does anyone call them stuffed animals these days? :lol: In my native language we call them 'soft toys'.

Pony toy or toy pony is also my preferred term for (brushable) MLP + fakies. I guess most people who aren't MLP fans will use My Little Pony as a general term, just like Barbie is often used to refer to all fashion dolls. I know that as kids we did this with my sister, despite being well aware that some of our ponies were not real MLP and some of our "Barbies" were actually Steffi or Petra dolls.

I've also always associated dolls with human shaped toys, and it was really difficult to get used to artists calling their poseable animal figures "dolls" but you see this a lot on Deviantart and elsewhere. I would personally call those poseable figures, like I just did. :D Not action figures, however! I also associate that term with toys depicting humans. But I agree with the distinction between dolls and action figures --> dolls generally have brushable hair and/or clothes and other accessories. (Then again, wooden dolls are a thing... and ragdolls! And I'm getting carried away but Finnish has a single word denoting both dolls and puppets so that also undoubtedly affects my semantic categories.)

The distinction between figure and figurine is tough to pinpoint, too. Figurines are smaller and static? Whereas figures are larger and may (or may not) have moving parts or gimmicks. But I use them more or less interchangeably myself. I tend to associate both terms with collecting rather than child's play: as a child, I had a lot of different horse toys. Similarly I would probably call other animal toys [animal] + toy or toy + [animal], or even [brand] + toy, e.g. LPS toy. But from a collector's perspective, LPS figure/figurine or Schleich figure/figurine etc.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Wardah on September 03, 2020, 07:38:51 AM
I also agree with that distinction between what dolls meant then and now. If I had been a kid growing up with a choice between G4 and Monster High I would've gone for the dolls without question. MH and EAH - but especially MH - took away the girly dimension and all of that patronising stuff associated with them and the 'things girls do'. Yeah they had fashions and stuff but it was a lot more colourful and creative. While of course G4 stepped back into some of those stereotypes with the really pink packages, parties and fashion.  Of course then the reboot happened, they removed Ghoulia and tried to streamline it into something more girly and 'safe' and I lost interest. I felt like Ghoulia was important in that she communicated differently and was smart despite the stereotype of stupid zombies, and for me removing her was a big mistake. As a kid I would have probably identified most with Ghoulia for those reasons. And then they took her out, so yeah.

I got into MH just because they were so colorful. IMHO the reboot just made them less "Bratzy" (and also cut out the articulation on the more budgety ones) but they were still colorful so I didn't lose interest, just became more choosy. Of course the majority of adult fans were former Bratz and My Scene (Mattel's original "Bratzy" line) fans so the departure from that style killed it for them and the target audience was already losing interest even before the reboot thanks to the surprise toy trend that culminated in LOL Surprise.

As for Ghoulia they got rid of her because they gave her scientific smarts to Frankie, who before the reboot, while cute, didn't have much character because she was supposed to be the "everygirl" character that girls could connect with. "Everygirl" characters are boring and have the opposite effect. People were more able to connect with characters like Ghoulia and Clawdeen and this is a problem because Frankie is supposed to be one of the main characters.

I've gone off on a tangent but tbh I feel the reboot would have been successful if the whole surprise toy thing didn't happen.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Ponybookworm on September 03, 2020, 07:46:49 AM
Soft Toys was definitely what I grew up with. I remember slowly being introduced to "plush" meaning soft as I grew older, though I think it may have been a brand name??? From the term plush it's not that big a leap for any Scot (we're fond of putting ie sounds on the end of words anyway, like Hoosie, Mousie etc) to reach the modern term plushie, which thanks to the internet has become the most widely-accepted term for soft toys today.

And more love to everybody who agrees on the "doll" equals "human-like toy" opinion. :lovey: :lovey: :lovey:
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 03, 2020, 08:33:43 AM
We said stuffed toy.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: banditpony on September 03, 2020, 09:15:38 AM
I also feel like I’ve read that term on packaging (i.e., “Includes 1 pony doll and accessories.”).

Based on that link about tarriffs I found (  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz,_Inc._v._United_States ), I don't think Hasbro would of called them dolls pre-00s due to dolls being subjected to a higher tariff then a toy.

I looked at various packaging for G1 and either they didn't say pony, or included the pony name and G3 packaging said "pony figure" (at least, they few that I checked did.)
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Taffeta on September 03, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
Stuffed animal, stuffed toy and soft toy all normal use during my childhood. :) (UK)

@Wardah - I could never stand Bratz, tbh. I don't really know from a doll perspective since I'm not really a 'doll' collector, I have Jem and I have MH but that's pretty much it unless you count my 2 pullip dolls...

The trouble is if people were identifying more with Ghoulia and such, then a reboot involving them as more central would've been better. I'm an adult so it doesn't matter really what I think, but I feel like Ghoulia was more of an important role model. She carried these two ideas that a: people communicate differently and b: you can't judge by appearances. Those are really strong values for most kids to absorb and I don't think they found any way to handle that in G2. The moment they went down the "popular kids only" route, MH stopped being diverse and special and started being mainstream and thus I lost interest. But I feel bad for the kids who were a bit different at school or who identified with those quirks and differences that got streamlined out of the series for more "lets hang with Dracula" and playing families. Spectra is another one who randomly disappeared for no plausible reason :/

I feel like the kids who identified with Ghoulia would not suddenly identify with Frankie if she took over the smart role, they'd just feel alienated because Ghoulia was Ghoulia and Frankie was Frankie and it's entirely different. I feel they could've done a lot with Frankie, but they didn't need to axe Ghoulia to do it.

But it was also about the dolls and the themes of the dolls. G2 hair was nicer though on Lagoona and Rochelle. They had so many problems in G1 with goop.

On the same note, MH marketed itself on the platform that everyone is a bit different and weird and it's ok to be that way. Which is entirely different to the nauseating "everyone is going to be friends! popularity is awesome!" mantra. Reality is a lot of kids have problems in school and they all have moments they don't get along with x or things don't work out for them or they're not quite the same as everyone else. MH tried at least to be inclusive of difference by making all the characters a bit out there. G2 kind of lost that somewhere.

I still do feel that Shaz is right, though, and MH and such lines reinvented 'doll' as something more than what it was in the eighties (Jem aside).

However the surprise dolls and some of the toys that exist now are kind of...the other extreme of tacky. I don't really know how to gauge them, things like LOL! and OMG! and whatever.

I think in summation dolls just weren't interesting for me as a child so I can't find the association with pony a positive one. But I can see how someone coming to pony later when dolls had broadened their position, might see that differently.

I cannot remember 'pony doll' on a G1 backcard, and I have quite a lot of them...
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: LadyAmalthea on September 03, 2020, 10:23:13 AM
I think we said stuffed animal/toy too. I really dislike the term 'plushie'. It kind of squicks me out for some reason (actually I think I know why, but I won't derail the thread with it). My sister just calls it a 'plush', or 'plushes' plural, which is slightly more tolerable, but for the fact that I always think of plush as an adjective rather than a noun. Or maybe my aversion is just as simple as just a dislike for cutesy-sounding words in general; any time words like 'mousie' or 'blankie' appear in children's books that I am reading aloud, I replace them with 'mouse' or 'blanket'.

Ponybookworm, it's interesting to hear that there are cultural differences with this...years ago I had a bar regular who was from Scotland and I do recall him attaching an 'ie' ending to some of his words...a habit I gave him a kind of a hall pass on that I wouldn't have for his American brethren; when he said it in his Scottish brogue it was rather endearing actually.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Ponybookworm on September 03, 2020, 11:49:55 AM
I think we said stuffed animal/toy too. I really dislike the term 'plushie'. It kind of squicks me out for some reason (actually I think I know why, but I won't derail the thread with it). My sister just calls it a 'plush', or 'plushes' plural, which is slightly more tolerable, but for the fact that I always think of plush as an adjective rather than a noun. Or maybe my aversion is just as simple as just a dislike for cutesy-sounding words in general; any time words like 'mousie' or 'blankie' appear in children's books that I am reading aloud, I replace them with 'mouse' or 'blanket'.

Ponybookworm, it's interesting to hear that there are cultural differences with this...years ago I had a bar regular who was from Scotland and I do recall him attaching an 'ie' ending to some of his words...a habit I gave him a kind of a hall pass on that I wouldn't have for his American brethren; when he said it in his Scottish brogue it was rather endearing actually.
We do that a lot in Scotland, & it's meant to be endearing.

Off Topic my pet peeve is "Lil". I will never use it, as we have this word "wee" meaning small or little. You won't catch me saying "wittle" for little either. There are a few other Americanisms I will never ever use as well, because to us they make no sense.

Back on topic, I notice a lot of people will say dolly for doll. Not needed for Pony as there's already a y on the end...
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Nemesis on September 03, 2020, 03:03:53 PM
I also feel like I’ve read that term on packaging (i.e., “Includes 1 pony doll and accessories.”).

Based on that link about tarriffs I found (  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz,_Inc._v._United_States ), I don't think Hasbro would of called them dolls pre-00s due to dolls being subjected to a higher tariff then a toy.

I looked at various packaging for G1 and either they didn't say pony, or included the pony name and G3 packaging said "pony figure" (at least, they few that I checked did.)

I believe it was a package from G3 or G4, actually... Maybe one of the Fashion Style G4s?

Or maybe my aversion is just as simple as just a dislike for cutesy-sounding words in general; any time words like 'mousie' or 'blankie' appear in children's books that I am reading aloud, I replace them with 'mouse' or 'blanket'.

Ponybookworm, it's interesting to hear that there are cultural differences with this...years ago I had a bar regular who was from Scotland and I do recall him attaching an 'ie' ending to some of his words...a habit I gave him a kind of a hall pass on that I wouldn't have for his American brethren; when he said it in his Scottish brogue it was rather endearing actually.

I can’t lie... I add “ie” to the end of everything. XD I seem to have the opposite feelings about it, as to me it just makes everything more cute... and I adore cuteness in general.

On the subject of plush... As an avid plush collector, I find it really interesting how different terms like “soft toy” or “stuffed animal” stuck around or declined in usage in different places around the the world! When I was little, I called everything a “stuffed animal”. I heard other words from friends or family, like “plush” or “soft toy”, but they sounded weird to me. If an animal was filled with pellets like a Beanie Baby, I referred to them as “beanies”. As a teenager, I heard the word “plushie“ online constantly and ended up adopting it. Today, I tend to use “plush” or “beanie” (depending on the toy) the most, but in casual conversation might use “ploosh”, “plooshie”, or occasionally “stuffed animal” or “stuffy”. XD
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: banditpony on September 03, 2020, 04:00:11 PM
I also feel like I’ve read that term on packaging (i.e., “Includes 1 pony doll and accessories.”).

Based on that link about tarriffs I found (  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz,_Inc._v._United_States ), I don't think Hasbro would of called them dolls pre-00s due to dolls being subjected to a higher tariff then a toy.

I looked at various packaging for G1 and either they didn't say pony, or included the pony name and G3 packaging said "pony figure" (at least, they few that I checked did.)

I believe it was a package from G3 or G4, actually... Maybe one of the Fashion Style G4s?

All the ones I checked for G3 or G4 say pony figure. (including the fashion size)
I'm just super curious about it, that's why I'm checking!!
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Taffeta on September 03, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
Li'l is a bit of an annoyance tbh. I think the teeny ponies are all Li'l something or other in the US, right? Which was extended out to Little here.  "Wee" in that context is cuter but somehow doesn't work so well if you come from south of the border. Trying to think if we have any midland words that would suffice...possibly not.

I don't have a problem with Americanisms in pony names in general...some American names are actually cuter than the UK equivalent would be (Cotton Candy v Candyfloss, Tic Tac Toe vs Noughts & Crosses, and IMO Molasses v Gingerbread is nicer). I'll spell Colorswirl and Watercolor the US way because those are US set names. But unnecessary and cutesy word contractions...less fond of that xD. (And repeated names, and lazy names, but that's for a different discussion.).

I am guilty of calling things fluffies. Or sometimes Flufflies. But that's largely because of how many fluffy things my sister buys, and that's the only word for them.

I am certain I learned plushie from online communities. Probably this one. xD. I don't mind it though.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Nemesis on September 03, 2020, 07:39:12 PM
I also feel like I’ve read that term on packaging (i.e., “Includes 1 pony doll and accessories.”).

Based on that link about tarriffs I found (  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz,_Inc._v._United_States ), I don't think Hasbro would of called them dolls pre-00s due to dolls being subjected to a higher tariff then a toy.

I looked at various packaging for G1 and either they didn't say pony, or included the pony name and G3 packaging said "pony figure" (at least, they few that I checked did.)

I believe it was a package from G3 or G4, actually... Maybe one of the Fashion Style G4s?

All the ones I checked for G3 or G4 say pony figure. (including the fashion size)
I'm just super curious about it, that's why I'm checking!!

Honestly, now you have me curious, too. XD I’m really trying to remember where I read that... It could even have been just a store category on Target’s and/or TRU’s websites. They had (have?) all these subcategories if you clicked “Dolls”: “fashion dolls”, “baby dolls”, “electronic dolls”, etc.... I KNOW one or both of those stores had a category called “Horse and Pony Dolls” that contained MLP, Pony Royale, and other lines like that.

...But I still feel like I also saw it on a package of some kind, most likely for a larger toy or possibly a G4 So Soft (Princess Skyla?). Maybe a zilla? My brain must have latched on to the term because I’m a doll collector, and it was easy to see my MLPs as dolls, what with fashion packs, hair salons, and even shoes.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Shaz on September 04, 2020, 01:52:20 AM
It's so interesting reading about how words vary from place to place (but then I am obsessed with words and languages). 'Stuffed toys' and 'fluffies' were both in use during my 90s UK childhood, along with beanie to describe anything remotely Ty-beanie-like. I was crazy about Ty beanies as a child and used to get the UK version of US magazine Mary Beth's Beanbag World.... I'm trying to remember what sort of toy words I saw used in there (besides beanbag). I think plush might have been in there, especially in reference to large toys ('giant plush') but I don't remember plushie.

I never used cutesy language or added 'ie' onto things until I got cats....now I'm always talking in a cutesy voice and asking them if they want to play with their mousie or birdie toy, or get in their lil bed and snuggle with their blankie. So get a cat and cutesy phrases will no longer seem annoying :lol:

I can't remember if I said in my last post, but I agree with people saying that figurine means something small and possibly made of porcelain. If you think about it, My Little Pony actually includes pony toys, dolls (Megan and Molly, Equestria Girls), action figures (Guardians of Harmony), plushes (G1, G3, G4), beanbags (G2), figurines (porcelain ponies) and mini figures (Blind Bag ponies). Much simpler to just call them all ponies!

@Taffeta, I agree so much about Monster High. G2 gave us some nice toys (I love my Dracula!) but it also really departed from Be Unique, Be a Monster, and all the good monstery stuff I liked about G1. I find all this FRIENDSHIP!!!! rather hard-going (I'm an unsociable person). It was nice in G1 to see characters who didn't communicate conventionally (Ghoulia), liked to spend time on their own, were introverted (Twyla!), etc. And characters who weren't totally nice but weren't evil either (Cleo, Spectra with her gossipy ways). And I always hoped Clawdeen would turn out to be gay or asexual or something after such a big thing was made in one of the films about her not being interested in the guys Draculaura was trying to set her up with (if nothing else, I quite liked the idea that 'you don't have to date just because all your friends are').

Sorry for all the OT ramblings, there's just so much interesting stuff in this thread :)
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Taffeta on September 04, 2020, 03:07:17 AM
@Shaz - absolutely. I feel like shows like FIM alienated kids who struggled with making friends or who didn't fit the normal social sphere. Although it;s actually EQG which suggests in one - I think Friendship Games - that a popularity contest is the best way to resolve who should compete, rather than those who have the most skills. I have so many problems with this, it's reinforcing the idea of the clique and the popular crowd (I called them the moron brigade, because they were). Whereas MH didn't feel like it did that (until G2).

I also identify more with the Misfits in Jem than JATH. This often shocks people but the irony was that in the Jem community I used to be a part of, you could tell whether someone would reach out to help you or not in part by which characters they identified with most. It was always the Misfit (and Stinger) fans that would be the ones there to help out other fans and collectors.

When I first got into Jem (Truly Outrageous), I was on the side of the Holograms. By the time I got to the end of the series I hated Jem and was a sworn Misfit fan forever.
Title: Re: Figure, figurine or doll
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 04, 2020, 10:02:16 AM
It's so interesting reading about how words vary from place to place (but then I am obsessed with words and languages). 'Stuffed toys' and 'fluffies' were both in use during my 90s UK childhood, along with beanie to describe anything remotely Ty-beanie-like. I was crazy about Ty beanies as a child and used to get the UK version of US magazine Mary Beth's Beanbag World.... I'm trying to remember what sort of toy words I saw used in there (besides beanbag). I think plush might have been in there, especially in reference to large toys ('giant plush') but I don't remember plushie.

I never used cutesy language or added 'ie' onto things until I got cats....now I'm always talking in a cutesy voice and asking them if they want to play with their mousie or birdie toy, or get in their lil bed and snuggle with their blankie. So get a cat and cutesy phrases will no longer seem annoying :lol:

I can't remember if I said in my last post, but I agree with people saying that figurine means something small and possibly made of porcelain. If you think about it, My Little Pony actually includes pony toys, dolls (Megan and Molly, Equestria Girls), action figures (Guardians of Harmony), plushes (G1, G3, G4), beanbags (G2), figurines (porcelain ponies) and mini figures (Blind Bag ponies). Much simpler to just call them all ponies!

@Taffeta, I agree so much about Monster High. G2 gave us some nice toys (I love my Dracula!) but it also really departed from Be Unique, Be a Monster, and all the good monstery stuff I liked about G1. I find all this FRIENDSHIP!!!! rather hard-going (I'm an unsociable person). It was nice in G1 to see characters who didn't communicate conventionally (Ghoulia), liked to spend time on their own, were introverted (Twyla!), etc. And characters who weren't totally nice but weren't evil either (Cleo, Spectra with her gossipy ways). And I always hoped Clawdeen would turn out to be gay or asexual or something after such a big thing was made in one of the films about her not being interested in the guys Draculaura was trying to set her up with (if nothing else, I quite liked the idea that 'you don't have to date just because all your friends are').

Sorry for all the OT ramblings, there's just so much interesting stuff in this thread :)

 :lol: Cute animals have that effect on.people. Clever beasties.
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