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Title: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: kingluke on December 27, 2019, 03:06:39 AM
Hello everyone,

Watch me open a can of worms after christmas!

So, armies. I saw somebody with an army full of harder to get ponies. Of course, they are free to purchase whatever they want, yet i can't help but feel that it might be a little, well, selfish?
To get a rarer pony and buy them even tho you already have her. Slimming the change of someone who doesn't have her yet...

I think having an army has its appeals, but like an army of ice crystals seems selfish to me.

What do you think?

Please let me know.

Cheers,

Luke
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: RoseNoire on December 27, 2019, 03:34:56 AM
I don't mind, as long as they are being preserved in a safe place. Plus they will get passed down to other collectors eventually.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: kingluke on December 27, 2019, 03:54:27 AM
I don't mind, as long as they are being preserved in a safe place. Plus they will get passed down to other collectors eventually.

That's very true.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Hannah66665 on December 27, 2019, 04:37:23 AM
It can be frustrating to see someone with twenty identical ponies that aren't variants when I'm desperately trying to find one, lol. I haven't been actively collecting in years due to funds and space issues... but I can remember some of the armies I saw really turned me off of even trying to obtain my most wanted G2s. Just one baby Swirly or Princess Crystal...  :think:
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: BlackCurtains on December 27, 2019, 04:47:27 AM
Collecting is selfish no matter what - that's the point :P None of us NEED plastic ponies in our lives.

I have a small army of Raincurl and even though she isn't HTF or rare, I don't feel bad about it. If someone has an army of Ice Crystals they shouldn't feel bad about it either.

I've said it before and I'll always say it - my collection is not community property. No one should feel bad or feel obligated to *not* collect whatever it is they want just because someone else doesn't have what they have.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Broken Irishwoman on December 27, 2019, 05:13:46 AM
Yes, it's selfish, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. If you have an army of a pony I really want I will be wildly jealous like there's no tomorrow, but that's not your problem. And it shouldn't be!

Collecting is selfish no matter what - that's the point :P None of us NEED plastic ponies in our lives.

I have a small army of Raincurl and even though she isn't HTF or rare, I don't feel bad about it. If someone has an army of Ice Crystals they shouldn't feel bad about it either.

I've said it before and I'll always say it - my collection is not community property. No one should feel bad or feel obligated to *not* collect whatever it is they want just because someone else doesn't have what they have.

All of this!!! Well, except the Raincurl army, I wish. :P
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Zapper on December 27, 2019, 05:38:10 AM
I think it's selfish to take ponies away from the target audience like buying up en masse and/or scalping to get collector cash while the kids stand in front of empty shelves (hyperbolically speaking).

I don't care if people have thousands of dollars to spend on plastic horses, that would be the common entitled adult fan thinking: "I make my own money and kids don't, so I am the more valuable customer" - no.

So long story short, if it's still on shelves I have an issue with armies. Or more precisely, bulk buying.
I don't really get mad if a collector spends 10000000 on a Mimic squad. I pity them. It's like in The Last Unicorn where an evil lord captures all unicorns in the sea.
He had the ultimate army of rares but nobody liked him for it :lol:
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: SpacePinto on December 27, 2019, 06:17:41 AM
Well, technically it is a little selfish, but who is going to stop you? ;) I know I would hate having more than one pony of the same name because of my OCD, so I just stick to the "one of each" principle myself :P
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: kingluke on December 27, 2019, 06:29:59 AM
Both are good points. I really like reading everybody's opinions.
I'm not gonna start an army.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Sparkle Pony on December 27, 2019, 06:44:12 AM
It's fine as long as you let me buy just one from you. :P
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let\'s discuss
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 27, 2019, 07:04:08 AM
Nope.

Post Merge: December 27, 2019, 07:05:48 AM

I think it's selfish to take ponies away from the target audience like buying up en masse and/or scalping to get collector cash while the kids stand in front of empty shelves (hyperbolically speaking).

I don't care if people have thousands of dollars to spend on plastic horses, that would be the common entitled adult fan thinking: "I make my own money and kids don't, so I am the more valuable customer" - no.

So long story short, if it's still on shelves I have an issue with armies. Or more precisely, bulk buying.
I don't really get mad if a collector spends 10000000 on a Mimic squad. I pity them. It's like in The Last Unicorn where an evil lord captures all unicorns in the sea.
He had the ultimate army of rares but nobody liked him for it :lol:

In the distance
Hear the laughter
Of the last Mimicoooorn
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Carrehz on December 27, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Well, perhaps, but hey if you have the cash and desire to build an army of, I dunno, Re Unicornos or Mimics or whatever, then who am I to stop you? ;) Said it before, I'll say it again: as long as your collection makes YOU happy, then that's all that matters, who cares what others say or think. I hate the "collections are community property" line of thinking, it's terrible.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 27, 2019, 07:43:34 AM
Plus don't forget that armies are, more often then not, common, cheap ponies. I was positively astonished the first time I saw pictures of Cannibal Cow's Cherries Jubilee army.

Or ponies that you couldn't sell for a penny, from lots or pack-ins. Twilight Sparkle won't leave me alone.  I've had 5 of the little buggers! Do you hear me? 5!! I only kept one TS to customize.

I am on my way to having a small army of RD. I have a Magical Scenery, a Pearly mer-Rainbowdash, I plan on reobtaining G3 RD and I'm snagging the Retro M6 Pack because they're probably the last horsey ponies Hasbro will ever do. Because they suck.

Who is going to be gritting their teeth in jealous rage over ponies that everyone and their dog has?
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on December 27, 2019, 08:04:02 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: otocolobus_manul on December 27, 2019, 09:23:22 AM
It can be frustrating to see someone with twenty identical ponies that aren't variants when I'm desperately trying to find one, lol. I haven't been actively collecting in years due to funds and space issues... but I can remember some of the armies I saw really turned me off of even trying to obtain my most wanted G2s. Just one baby Swirly or Princess Crystal...  :think:

I second this. It’s not morally wrong, but it can be frustrating, haha. I also don’t see the point in buying a dozen of the same exact variant, but to each their own :P
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: TornadoLovesMelody on December 27, 2019, 09:59:40 AM
I envy peoples armies of ponies I might want but at the same time I fully understand them and am happy for them too.

Ponies are every collectors selfish pleasure so I don't condone armies.
Yet, I never really liked when people buy things they don't necessarily want for themselves but buy them just so that someone else can not have it. That behaviour is ... less pleasant =)

But yeah - I wish I got to hold some of the Argie trotters I've seen people have multiples of that I've been wanting for years. I may not have the funds to own one but I want to smell one and touch one :P
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Ponyfan on December 27, 2019, 10:51:39 AM
G1 Twilight the unicorn is my army pony. That being said I only have 2 Twilights in the army and the rest are custom versions of her.



Yet, I never really liked when people buy things they don't necessarily want for themselves but buy them just so that someone else can not have it. That behaviour is ... less pleasant =)



That is the only time that seeing someone's armies upsets me. 


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 27, 2019, 10:56:00 AM
G1 Twilight the unicorn is my army pony. That being said I only have 2 Twilights in the army and the rest are custom versions of her.



Yet, I never really liked when people buy things they don't necessarily want for themselves but buy them just so that someone else can not have it. That behaviour is ... less pleasant =)



That is the only time that seeing someone's armies upsets me. 


Ponyfan

That's different. That's just done out of plain spite.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Broken Irishwoman on December 27, 2019, 11:11:06 AM
Yet, I never really liked when people buy things they don't necessarily want for themselves but buy them just so that someone else can not have it. That behaviour is ... less pleasant =)

My childhood "friend" used to do that. Whenever I mentioned a pony I really wanted, she made sure it was the next pony her parents bought her. Only because I wanted it. :|
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Glitter Yolk on December 27, 2019, 11:11:29 AM
I'm trying for an army of Baby Apple Delights, but I've only got two at the moment and one is bait. :P  So much for that!

I don't really feel selfish about it, as my primary collecting targets are fakies! But, if I were to find another one in person and someone else, be it kid or adult, was thinking about getting it I would wait until they've decided to really go for it. Especially if it's a kid, regardless of whether I have the pony already or not!

I have been in the position where someone has bags full of ponies and has left none for anyone else, but that's a little different than armies I guess.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: magoobear on December 27, 2019, 01:47:35 PM
In my case for my favorite pony I stopped at #10 , she happened to be a very cool rehair version, so maybe it just took that to be satisfied with it, I don't have her in an moc but I don't even have a desire for her on mic
Everyone is different in their collecting, and my collection took a different turn that I hadn't seen coming myself but it's good to just embrace it , it makes me happy apparently
Small
Plastic
Ponies
...
That smell funny
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From 1982-1990
It's my thing ☺️💜🤩
Just remember to have some fun with it!!
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: brightberry on December 27, 2019, 03:15:32 PM
I haven’t felt actual jealousy in a long time.  I kind of feel that if you really want something and you have the means eventually you’ll get it.  So I don’t mind when I see armies of ponies I really want.  I think people having armies is better than the ponies ending up in a dump or used to make flower pots.   :P
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: otocolobus_manul on December 27, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
This is an interesting discussion, I love seeing different points of view on this. What about when there’s only a handful of a pony known to exist, and one person owns all of them/immediately buys every new one that crops up?
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Gator on December 27, 2019, 04:15:10 PM
I like the "Last Unicorn" reference earlier in this thread, cause for years I've felt like that's me with Satin 'n Lace.  I would buy more if I had the money.  And I can't tell you why.  I like to look at them.  They fill me with joy.  Each time I see the Satins, my Satins, it is like that time when I was truly young, looking at the mail order phamplets, at the mail orders I thought I could never have. 
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: brightberry on December 27, 2019, 06:12:17 PM
This is an interesting discussion, I love seeing different points of view on this. What about when there’s only a handful of a pony known to exist, and one person owns all of them/immediately buys every new one that crops up?
Those ponies could have a worse fate.  That’s how I think of it. 

I mean there are a lot of things on this planet that I’d really like to have but sooner or later, I have to choose to enjoy what I do have and I won’t try to poison others from enjoying what they have. 

I guess my only exception is denying someone else things they need to thrive.

Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: FiddlePhan on December 27, 2019, 06:58:53 PM
Ultimately people are free to buy what they want and how many they want and I realize that.

I have a collection of Gusty's but it's all different versions of her and that kind of collection I totally think is cool.  I love seeing pics of those when people post them.

When the collection is of one model though it does irk me when it's a pony that is really hard to find, maybe it's a variant from a certain country, and the person has 15 or whatever of them.    I'm not going to hate on people or be mean to them over it but yes, it does bother me.
So many people are looking for, dreaming of the pony but the already hard to find pony is even harder because a large number of them are owned by one person.  (not directed at anyone.  I have a horrible memory and don't remember who has what or what armies I've even seen.  ha ha)

My mentality when I collect is that if I'm fortunate to be able to track down a rare pony for my collection, I'm happy and don't want another so others can have the joy I had at getting this pony as well.   Not everyone feels the same I know but that's just my way of doing things.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: aintnobuffalo on December 27, 2019, 07:37:54 PM
Hmm, I'm not sure. If it's selfish, then wouldn't it imply that the selfless thing to do would be to buy no ponies at all so others may have the opportunity? Someone is going to buy them, why not you? And is there a major difference between the philosophical selfishness of collecting in general verses collecting a specific pony? Either way you are taking ponies out of the market, if that is the ethical concern. So I would argue that it isn't any more selfish that enjoying other material things.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: SaraMari on December 27, 2019, 08:33:16 PM
I would say generally no. I don't often feel jealous when I see an army, more like impressed haha, even if it were an ice crystal or mimic army. They come up enough that I don't feel like an army would be ruining others chances.

However truly rare ponies where theres like less than 10 known ones out there, having an army of them would seem hmm I guess selfish. Are they really that in love with that particular pony or is it that they just don't want anyone else to have it, to have bragging rights or to drive the price up?
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on December 27, 2019, 09:03:54 PM
Nah. I don't army any ponies myself, mostly due to my lack of space, so as a result I don't keep any doubles. But, I do love seeing other peoples' armies. I love seeing people so passionate and dedicated to their favorite ponies! :)
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: caseysealia on December 27, 2019, 09:33:03 PM
Yes and no. Obviously you have the right to choose what you buy. I have armies of ponies such as Serena, starting Heart Throb, Tootie Tails, Rainbow Curl Strips ect. (obviously none of these are rare, so its a bit different) I know exactly what its like to get fascinated by a specific pony. I feel like rarer ponies, like Raps, shouldn't be bought simply because you can (unless its a great deal, I feel if its listed as her appropriate price that a collector would be the only one paying for her at said price vs. resellers) because that does rob another collector that chance to complete their goals. 

But again, its your money you do what you want. But then again g1s are getting harder and harder to find. It really depends on the pony, and the price, IMO. Like SaraMari said with some ponies is it dedication to that specific pony or just bragging rights?
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Ringlets on December 28, 2019, 05:23:13 AM
I don't think it's selfish to have a pony army - actually I have pony armies in my own collection and they make me happy. I like to see other collectors pony armies too  :lovey: If you can afford it and it makes you happy and it's not hurting someone else then why not?  :relaxed:
The only times it could become a bit selfish is if someone goes to the shop and buys up the whole lot of one new HTF pony -not because they like armies but just to brag or sell on for profit, or they buy multiples of certain rare older ponies not because they actually like them but just to deliberately try and make others jealous.
 Otherwise I see no problem with armies at all. Some people have specific character armies that aren't all multiples but one of each variant of that character especially when it comes to the more HTF ones, but most pony armies are of common ponies . Other people have a fave pose army (so for example I have a G1 fave pose army - the BnG Ringlets pose - usually called the Gingerbread pose. Not everyone likes it but it's my fave. Most of my ponies in that army are common but some are more rare -but I only have one of the rarer ones in my fave pose army- so for example one Spanish gingerbread, one Brazil Twist- and then I have multiple common ponies ) :awake:
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 28, 2019, 08:18:59 AM
To me, it depends on a pony.  Army of Peachy . . . This pony is so plentiful that there will still be plenty on the market.  Army of G2 Nosy & Click, who were ONLY released with the French G2 comic and are very rare . . . Yeah, IMO that would be selfish.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Shadowperla on December 28, 2019, 11:13:21 AM
If rare, yes.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Nemesis on December 28, 2019, 06:56:22 PM
Hmm... Well, I only army common ponies myself—and usually it’s not a deliberate thing, but a matter of gathering them from lots and thrift sales. I would say that intent is the deciding factor in whether or not armying is “selfish”...
 
Selfish: Haha! Only three of this rare, nirvana variant have ever been documented! And now I OWN THEM ALL! Everyone must be sooooo jealous!

Not selfish: I love Princess Sundance! She’s always been one of my faves, and I’d love to just look at a shelf full of Princess Sundances! <3

At the end of the day, everyone can do what they want, of course. I would never look down on/be angry with someone over plastic ponies. But for those questioning whether they’re acting selfishly or not, I think attitude and motive are a big part of it.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 29, 2019, 08:08:38 AM
Someone has a gorgeous Moonstone army on here.

I think Teddy's Gusty army is fab.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Taffeta on December 29, 2019, 02:08:13 PM
I guess for me it depends on what is considered an army (I mean, I have six or seven Medleys but they're all different versions, is that an army?). Also the rarity of the pony (though I also agree that if people want to spend silly money on twenty Mimics well that's their business...)

For me the most important thing is do no harm. So having a hoarde of a particular pony, whether rare or otherwise, is not a big issue for me since the bald fact of pony collecting is collectors sell things more often than they expect to. I've seen people sell army ponies as much as I've seen people sell whole collections, including, fairly often, people who five years before were swearing blind it didn't matter because they were never going to sell. If having an army of ten Mimics means those ten Mimics are kept in good shape and then when they are sold on ten people get Mimic, then I'm fine with it.

I have more issue with spiteful hoarding or collecting, whereby something is permanently removed from the community because there's no going back then. So rehairing a rare pony just to add a different look to an army, that I would have a problem with. But having twenty of them? Not so much.

The reality is also that every sale on ebay goes to the highest bidder.  Not every time is an auction won by someone who wants the item most in the whole world. It's the person with the most money. Unfairness is rife in collecting. I long since accepted that I won't get baby sugarcake because I can't pay the same amount of money other people can. But I don't resent other people for having her because of that. However, if someone posted photos or a video of cutting off her hair to give her a funky reroot, I would be an angry person.

So for me it's do no harm that matters most.

Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: glitterball on December 29, 2019, 02:33:17 PM
On the odd occasion, and for a fair price, I will rescue certain ponies that I have a soft spot for, especially those being Gusty, Gypsy and of course, Honeycomb.  ;)

As a result, I have (small) armies of each, but they bring me joy and a sense of satisfaction when I spend time scrubbing out the smooze, disguising marker pen stains, styling their hair etc.

I agree that the scalpers can ruin the fun for those who genuinely want a certain "rare" pony for their collection as it becomes about greed and money, alas, so I am heartened by the new retro pony releases that help scratch that G1 itch - and are (gradually becoming) more available and affordable to everyone.

*taps foot waiting impatiently for Basic Fun retro Gusty release*  :P
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Nemesis on December 29, 2019, 04:37:28 PM
*taps foot waiting impatiently for Basic Fun retro Gusty release*  :P

You and me both! Honestly, I love that Basic Fun is making retro ponies accessible for kids and “casual” collectors.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Taxel on December 29, 2019, 11:24:54 PM
To me, it depends on a pony.  Army of Peachy . . . This pony is so plentiful that there will still be plenty on the market.  Army of G2 Nosy & Click, who were ONLY released with the French G2 comic and are very rare . . . Yeah, IMO that would be selfish.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is basically how I feel about it. I wouldn't be like, mad or treat someone poorly over it of course. As long as its a legitimate army and not like, spite collecting I'd just shake my head and move on.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Esbayne on December 30, 2019, 06:45:12 PM
Kind of on the fence I guess as well as others.

I mean, sure it is a bit, but it's not morally wrong, you can spend whatever money on whatever you want and buy what you please, and collecting in general is a little selfish. (Some people even claim we are "taking toys from children!" LOL.)

But also it depends on the pony, too, I guess? As others have said if it's one where there are SO few that it's crazy, that's a bit moreso selfish. But still within their right to do so.

I feel like it's a very grey area, but still never morally wrong. I'd never judge someone for it. Maybe be a little jealous. Lol! :P
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Taffeta on January 01, 2020, 04:22:22 AM
Kind of on the fence I guess as well as others.

I mean, sure it is a bit, but it's not morally wrong, you can spend whatever money on whatever you want and buy what you please, and collecting in general is a little selfish. (Some people even claim we are "taking toys from children!" LOL.)

I think that now the world has decided in some general moral assumption that all old toys are bad for kids, we're probably safer hoarding the older ones without that kind of criticism.

I've seen two or three articles about not buying older toys for kids. Which given some of the tests for some of them I can understand...although we turned out all right O.O
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Sweet Daes on January 01, 2020, 06:01:21 AM
Eh. Finders keepers.

I'd be envious (not jealous, as that implies being angry at them in an unhealthy way) of someone finding all of my grails, but it's human nature to pine for more. It could be labeled as being "selfish" but it should not be held against them for finding what I did not, and being able to afford all of them somehow is a horse of a different color on its own.

On the flip side, isn't it selfish to expect others to share their army?
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Leikin on January 01, 2020, 07:25:24 AM
I usually dont consider it an army if it is the same pony but different versions.  I have a Lemon Drop collection (and a few others I have different versions of) but they are all different. And I dont mean it in like they have small different shades on their symbols, but different hoof markings, different land of making, or a real color difference. I dont really see the point in having an army of the complete same pony if they are all the same version, but if it makes anyone happy then go ahead.

I'm not bothered if someone has an army of common ponies, but if it is rare, and I dont mean like "mimic rare" but as for ponies with only a handful known in existence I guess I would think that they should share the goodness, but I wouldnt talk down to someone because of it. I would probably just tell them how envious I would be of them :P

And of course I get envious if someone have multiples of something I want, but that is on me, spending more time looking at others collections, then I spend enjoying what I already have. The downside of having the collection stored away in boxes. :/
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: LadyMoondancer on January 03, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
I usually dont consider it an army if it is the same pony but different versions.

Same here.  To me "army of [character]" implies collecting a huge number of identical ponies.  Like to me "Italian Applejack, shy pose Applejack, collector pose Applejack, and Baby Applejack" is a collection of Applejacks, not an army.  If someone has 20 identical Applejacks, same appearance, same year of manufacture, same country of origin, that's an army.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on January 03, 2020, 05:12:39 PM
This makes me wonder whether there is someone out there with a Cha Cha army just keeping them all hidden away from me?
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Taffeta on January 04, 2020, 05:56:29 AM
This makes me wonder whether there is someone out there with a Cha Cha army just keeping them all hidden away from me?

This makes me wonder in a broader sense how many sleeping collections there are out there...people who collected back in the old days when they were cheaper but no longer do...but who have not sold up their items and still have them (either in storage or because they still love them but are no longer actively collecting).

I think probably more of the htf ponies are tied up in those collections than in armies, but it would be interesting to know.

Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Carrehz on January 04, 2020, 07:20:37 AM
I guess there are people that collect without being part of any of the communities, too. I collected on and off for years before joining here, I'm sure I can't be the only one... Maybe some of the HTFs are in "private" collections like that?

(Personally I consider an army any collection of a certain character. I don't go in for collecting multiples of the same toy - unless they can be customized/differentiated somehow, like, a doll can be redressed - but I consider my hoard of Pinkies an army ^^)
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Taffeta on January 04, 2020, 07:24:57 AM
I guess there are people that collect without being part of any of the communities, too. I collected on and off for years before joining here, I'm sure I can't be the only one... Maybe some of the HTFs are in "private" collections like that?

(Personally I consider an army any collection of a certain character. I don't go in for collecting multiples of the same toy - unless they can be customized/differentiated somehow, like, a doll can be redressed - but I consider my hoard of Pinkies an army ^^)

I am thinking more of the people who were here and who are no longer, but who still have their ponies.

I know of at least one such in the UK, and there must be more.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: starstrider on January 04, 2020, 09:46:25 AM
I've never really understood why some people collect armies of ponies. I mean, to each their own - we all collect for different reasons and have different goals.  And I'm never going to give another collector a hard time over having different collecting goals. But pony armies do perplex me. If they are all variants and nirvanas I think that doesn't really count, because they're all different from each other. But collecting multiples of the exact same pony genuinely puzzles me. Did the army begin as a single pony which got upgraded a dozen times? Is the collector striving for world domination using a clone pony army? Help me to understand!
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let\'s discuss
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on January 05, 2020, 09:54:58 AM
This makes me wonder whether there is someone out there with a Cha Cha army just keeping them all hidden away from me?

This makes me wonder in a broader sense how many sleeping collections there are out there...people who collected back in the old days when they were cheaper but no longer do...but who have not sold up their items and still have them (either in storage or because they still love them but are no longer actively collecting).

I think probably more of the htf ponies are tied up in those collections than in armies, but it would be interesting to know.

There is a girl I know who lived over the road from me growing up who had every Euro and UK release, and a lot of the USA ones too.  Her parents converted the attic for her. I know whe's not active and never looks at them, nor will she sell them. My sister gossips  :lol: ;)

Post Merge: January 05, 2020, 09:57:30 AM

I've never really understood why some people collect armies of ponies. I mean, to each their own - we all collect for different reasons and have different goals.  And I'm never going to give another collector a hard time over having different collecting goals. But pony armies do perplex me. If they are all variants and nirvanas I think that doesn't really count, because they're all different from each other. But collecting multiples of the exact same pony genuinely puzzles me. Did the army begin as a single pony which got upgraded a dozen times? Is the collector striving for world domination using a clone pony army? Help me to understand!

For me it's because they are never exactly the same. I have two Powders because they have different eye colours, one is darker than the other. Also, I've got an army of Peachy's because I always wanted her as a kid but my sister got her instead. Their hearts always seem to be different colours or hoof stamps etc. so I can't bear to part with any of them.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Carrehz on January 05, 2020, 10:10:00 AM
I guess there are people that collect without being part of any of the communities, too. I collected on and off for years before joining here, I'm sure I can't be the only one... Maybe some of the HTFs are in "private" collections like that?

(Personally I consider an army any collection of a certain character. I don't go in for collecting multiples of the same toy - unless they can be customized/differentiated somehow, like, a doll can be redressed - but I consider my hoard of Pinkies an army ^^)

I am thinking more of the people who were here and who are no longer, but who still have their ponies.

I know of at least one such in the UK, and there must be more.

oh, I know, I just meant maybe there are 'private' collectors *as well* as inactive collectors.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: Taffeta on January 05, 2020, 10:19:45 AM
I guess there are people that collect without being part of any of the communities, too. I collected on and off for years before joining here, I'm sure I can't be the only one... Maybe some of the HTFs are in "private" collections like that?

(Personally I consider an army any collection of a certain character. I don't go in for collecting multiples of the same toy - unless they can be customized/differentiated somehow, like, a doll can be redressed - but I consider my hoard of Pinkies an army ^^)

I am thinking more of the people who were here and who are no longer, but who still have their ponies.

I know of at least one such in the UK, and there must be more.

oh, I know, I just meant maybe there are 'private' collectors *as well* as inactive collectors.

Ah...yeah, probably that's true too. Especially now with so many separate social media 'communities', whereas in the past it was much more of a central collecting hub online. Though there were always people I knew who collected and not online...just from local carboot sales. So that's a possibility too.

Artie's right as well, there can be variations between ponies. Or other reasons for keeping multiples of the same pony. I have a few doubles who live with me because they belonged to a childhood friend and so obviously I wouldn't sell those.
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: UrocyonFox on January 05, 2020, 10:52:31 AM
I have mixed feelings on this.

On one hand I am all for people buying things they like, I myself have a few 'armies' of certain ponies but they primarily focus on variets/customs/etc, but before that I remember really liking a pony that I found out is pretty common in people's armies.

I went to a meet and an individual who had an army of a pony I really liked and wanted bought all of them that anyone had there at the meet, leaving everyone (myself included) from being able to get that pony. It left a bad taste in my mouth and some hurt feelings, like "aw man you have an army of that one and some of us don't have it at all and would like to have it" and I remember some people having it on their table and when you said "oh dang I need that one" the response was "sorry i'm holding it for that person who has an army of them" So that was a little off putting as well.

BUT that being said, I think maybe I was taking it personal when it wasn't something personal at all.

I was jealous about armies of that pony for a bit there, I remember starting my own armies and looking back I wondered if I was doing it because I liked having so many of the same one or if it was the feeling hurt about past experiences. After this self-realization I ended up getting rid of any that were duplicates that weren't different/customs/variants/etc. I still like the ponies I have armies of, but as mentioned above the focus is not on customs, variants, poses, etc and not just a repeat of the same pony a million times (maybe its also that I just don't have the space?) who knows.

*shrugs* now i'm at a point where I have ponies that I like and wanted so when I see someone with an army I don't feel bad about it cause maybe thats what they like, and I have the ponies I want/like.

Maybe its also about how you present it? Like if you're someone and you say "Hey I love this pony look at my collection of it! I really love it and its my favorite" thats ok, but I have seen the "I am the #1 biggest fan of this pony, no one loves it more than me, see how many I have, I will get them all one day so no one else will ever have them"

I dunno, its a touchy subject I'm sure, but at this point in my life armies don't bother me. You do you babes!
Title: Re: Is having an army of ponies selfish? let's discuss
Post by: BlackCurtains on January 05, 2020, 11:26:54 AM
I've never really understood why some people collect armies of ponies. I mean, to each their own - we all collect for different reasons and have different goals.  And I'm never going to give another collector a hard time over having different collecting goals. But pony armies do perplex me. If they are all variants and nirvanas I think that doesn't really count, because they're all different from each other. But collecting multiples of the exact same pony genuinely puzzles me. Did the army begin as a single pony which got upgraded a dozen times? Is the collector striving for world domination using a clone pony army? Help me to understand!

I have a small Raincurl Army. They're technically all the same but still different :P There is one I bought when I first started collecting. A gift from a friend. My childhood Raincurl who was lost in storage for the longest time. A faded and rehaired in alternate colors Raincurl. And a MOC one. I also have a few different customs of her. If I was to find one at a flea market or something, I would absolutely buy her and add her to my army. I've never seen one in the wild and would be very excited to find her. So, they can be all the same pony, but still have meaningful differences if not physical ones. Granted, my "army" is quite small. I don't go looking on eBay for all the Raincurls... mainly because I can't afford it :P
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