The MLP Arena
Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: WaterDraw on April 23, 2018, 09:45:00 PM
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I read somewhere that at one point some users (not going to name who because I have no idea who it was) purposely cut off hair of rare ponies just to spite everyone. Is that true? And if so, does anyone know if the ponies turned out okay in the end? I don't need information on the people who did it, I don't care about that, I just want to make sure that this terrible event didn't actually happen and if it did, were the ponies involved okay...
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I've never heard of it, but while it isn't something I'd do myself, no reason to lose sleep over such a thing either. Ponies are toys, they have no feelings and everyone is free to do with their belongings as they wish in the end. Seems too silly to be fact, I mean who are you hurting by damaging a pony except yourself, since it's yours?
:what:
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I don't think most people would do that and if someone actually did...yikes. Talk about drama queen (king?).
I'm one of those that doesn't think there's anything wrong with wanting attention or trying to get it but get a grip people! Destroying your possessions just to spite others is simply immature.
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I've never heard anything like that and I've been around, like, 100 years.
Do message me with names though, as that's a pretty nasty rumour to be spreading about!
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I remember hearing something about this but don't remember details
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I've never heard of it, but while it isn't something I'd do myself, no reason to lose sleep over such a thing either. Ponies are toys, they have no feelings and everyone is free to do with their belongings as they wish in the end. Seems too silly to be fact, I mean who are you hurting by damaging a pony except yourself, since it's yours?
:what:
I saw similar events a few times on Neopets (turning a rare expensive discontinued pet into a cheap common one) and their motivation was often to see people get upset about something that isn't important in the long run. And, as Taffeta always says, when you take something rare and destroy (some of) it, you make it even rarer and more important to preserve what remains.
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I get that people can do what they want with their possessions, but like, why? They essentially just set fire to a pile of money.
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Ok, so this is hard to post without beginning any kind of flame war BUT I feel I need to say it because it might be my post that triggered this discussion.
Loa, if you want to delete or edit any part of my post, feel free - I am not trying to cause any argument, just clarify.
There was a thread recently in which I compared decarding ponies to vandalising a rare pony such as a piggy pony. Obviously anyone who read the post would know that the comparison was hypothetical, to expose what is a double standard in the community (it's ok to vandalise some rare items but not others).
No proper collector would vandalise anything in their collection or in someone else's. That's the bottom line. I have heard of people cutting boy pony hair or whatever to make them more masculine and then later regretting it, but not as a malicious act.
Vandalising anything old now though affects price, rarity and such like in a way that it would not have done twenty or so years ago when G1 was plentiful. So it doesn't hurt to stop and think about preservation.
In any case, if my comparison is what led to this as a rumour, then you can lay it to rest. But the very fact that someone's reacting in outrage at the thought of it does kind of reaffirm that doublestandard :/
We should really be preserving everything in the state in which we find it where possible, and yeah, why would you vandalise something just to spite someone else?
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@Teffeta , how dose one define "vandalising" in this context?
if some one wanted to restore the hair or try to fix other issues that come about as a result of age or improper storage
is that vandalism ? or are you referring to just customising in general there.
not trying to provoke , just genuinely curious
doing some thing out of spite or just to get a reaction is one thing
but at the end of the day , a person can do whatever they like with something that they own.
your ponies or anything else belong to you after all , not the community.
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I wouldn't be fussed if someone did something idiotic.
Sounds like it didn't happen tho.
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I think my meaning was entirely clear.
If you are unclear please read my post again.
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I think my meaning was entirely clear.
If you are unclear please read my post again.
So anything other than found condition is "vandalism"???
Is that it? ..
Even if the found condition would continue to degrade over time.
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I think my meaning was entirely clear.
If you are unclear please read my post again.
So anything other than found condition is "vandalism"???
Is that it? ..
Even if the found condition would continue to degrade over time.
It's pretty clear she means intentionally making a pony's condition worse, not better. Such as giving them a bad haircut, scribbling on them, etc, with malicious intent, not customizing or restoring.
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Thank you. I didn't think I had been that obtuse.
As I mentioned I was clarifying a post made in a since deleted thread. I am not going to annoy the mods by debating the subject. I just wanted to make sure my hypothesis hadn't been taken out of context.
If still confused please read the start of my post again..very carefully.
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Never heard anything like that.
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Thank you everyone for the information. I don't really have the names of who started the rumor (I posted this sort of late at night for me and everything is a bit of a blur at night), but it was no one on the arena, I remember that. It was most likely some trolls or maybe a misinformed person...Anyway I think we can lay this to rest now as (hopefully) false.
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The only thing I've ever heard of that even remotely comes close to this is waaaay back in the day a particularly active old school scammer(Roy - *shudder*) would scam people, and then "customize" some of his stolen property. Pictures of some of his so-called "work" were posted by another collector who was a friend of his and thought it was funny. It was pretty awful. As in something you'd look at and think "that person is disturbed" kind of awful.
He did get away with some rare ponies. Some very rare ponies in a few cases, but I don't know if any of those were destroyed. Most of the time you couldn't tell what the original pony was by the time he was done with it. It's entirely possible that he kept the good stuff and only "customized" the cheap stuff he stole. There were only a few "customs" in those pictures - not nearly enough to account for all he'd stolen. He'd been on the scammer lists for years, but he kept changing his name and it was hard to keep up with it all. I'm not sure how many ponies he stole before he finally gave up, but he was one of the big time scammers back in the day. He was on the "Ponyland Police" most wanted list for years. I consider it a personal duty to remind the pony community about the old school scammers whenever possible. They have been known to drop off the face of the earth for years, and then suddenly return with a whole new persona. Brooke(another massive scammer) popped up a again a few years ago. Since most of the old-timers like myself have left the community, a lot of this history is getting lost.
It was a *huge* scandal when it all came out, especially for the collector who was friends with him and thought it was just so funny. I think the photos came out around 2002, and it was a BIG THING for quite a while. It was a big enough scandal to have possibly survived this long and mutated into some kind of pony urban legend - maybe? I know things like this do hang around, and things can be changed in the retelling. A few of my more interesting stories of things that happened to me a long time ago have been retold to me from random people I've never even heard of before. Fortunately, both Roy and his friend haven't been seen in the pony community for *at least* 10 years. I've never heard of anyone destroying their own property for spite though. If anyone has done that, they've got some serious issues:/
If anyone wants Roy's old Ponyland Police report, feel free to PM me. It's filled with real names and email addresses, so I don't want to post it here. But I did manage to find it on the wayback machine. Most of the site is archived, so you can scrounge around and look into some of the other old school scammers as well. It's all seriously out of date, but it's still information that shouldn't be forgotten.
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That's exactly the story I heard Taffeta. So I was assuming that may be what the OP was talking about.
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I’ve definitely seen posts where people accidentally customized/“repaired” rare ponies, but never seen one purposefully damaged.
... although now that I say that, I do remember several situations where folks threatened to customize non-bait uncommon ponies as a sort of vindictive retaliation when people asked them to bait conscientiously. :/ So I think it’s happened, but aside from immature threats, I haven’t seen it happen... yet. (Thankfully!)
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goddessofpeep : thank you for giving your memory on a very different time in online pony collecting :) I am sure I have logs and files if I looked in my data, but yeah those were interesting times.... I like to think many of us have grown up a bit since then. BUT Still scary people like the Big Time Scammers are still around waiting .... we added another ID to Lexi's anthology only a year or so ago... :(