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Quote from: Leave a Whisper on October 15, 2020, 08:18:14 AM I'm assuming Makaton is what some learn to help people who can't form words be understood? I remember some of those people had their own interpreters. Mostly family members or specially trained workers.It's a sign language but unlike BSL/ASL etc, it basically has a hand sign for each word. A lot of the kids at the college who were nonverbal used it, and it wasn't as complex to learn as sign language.
I'm assuming Makaton is what some learn to help people who can't form words be understood? I remember some of those people had their own interpreters. Mostly family members or specially trained workers.
Quote from: Taffeta on October 15, 2020, 08:26:30 AMQuote from: Leave a Whisper on October 15, 2020, 08:18:14 AM I'm assuming Makaton is what some learn to help people who can't form words be understood? I remember some of those people had their own interpreters. Mostly family members or specially trained workers.It's a sign language but unlike BSL/ASL etc, it basically has a hand sign for each word. A lot of the kids at the college who were nonverbal used it, and it wasn't as complex to learn as sign language.Ah I see. Thanks for making that clear. I must be thinking of something different then because some of the people accompanying them could understand what they were saying verbally.
You did, but you edited your post to make it less confrontational while I was typing mine, and since I am not interested in picking a fight, I edited mine to compensate.In any case reflecting on this, I think the issue itself is a bit of a minefield. I mean, I'd expect that to be the attitude of the G4 fanbase, because, as I said before, I've seen far more examples of that attitude in the brony community than here. But then on the flipside, maybe when they did that, the writer's mistakenly clocked onto the wrong element, and thought, hey, we're representing disability, that's awesome! Ratrher than thinking, hang on a minute, we're making jokes about disability. That sucks.Sometimes that fine line of trying too hard to be inclusive backfires to being completely the wrong kind of inclusion. I am going to air this old laundry again but I still feel like the way MH attacked this idea was much less toxic, because it wasn't based on an error, or defined by the fandom. They did have a character in a wheelchair, but his being so didn't really stop him from doing anything as far as I remember. But I'll poke again at Ghoulia, who didn't communicate normally, and who didn't fit the stereotype for a zombie, but was a genius. To me that's a great character not becaise she's representing disability (although again it's a fan interpretation that she could be). But because she doesn't fit the mould. And with invisible disability, I think the best way you can sometimes feature that is to have characters that are simply different in some way from the expected.I'll bring in Crunch the Rock Dog as well. That's absolutely not intended to depict Wind Whistler as autistic. It was the 1980s. But the whole message about judging her because she didn't throw all her emotions out there makes her super relatable to people on the spectrum. Again, not by trying to include disability, but by talking about the different ways in which people deal with stuff, it appears more inclusive.
The characters that are different in FIM seem to be marginalised or singled out a lot more. I remember a lot of questions over Zecora, right back at the start, so this is a wider problem, not one associated with Muffin alone. This may be accidental, but where Muffin is concerned, she became a trope or a meme instead. The animation error may have been accidental, but they still had control over how that character was presented. I feel like they were too conscious of her 'difference' and thus they made her a joke, rather than a symbol of inclusivity. I have only seen a couple of episodes with Muffin in, and she doesn't have much of a role, so this may be not correct, but my feeling is that she is not included particularly in the 'friendship' model. She gets told off and her behaviour exasperates the others, but there's no kind of active sense of, Hey, Muffin, are you okay? How are you doing today? Let's hang out! It's more, hey, she's a klutz, she's gonna mess it up, sigh.