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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Marlin on January 26, 2019, 12:36:44 AM
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I am seeing increasing mention and usage of peroxide cream being used on G1s and playsets to brighten up the vinyl and yellowed plastic.
Whilst I can't deny the before and after images people are posting are impressive, I can't help but wonder if there are long term effects that we should be aware of?? :huh:
I am no scientist, so I don't really know what chemical magic is going on here. Is it truly safe to use, or have people had long term side affects? I mainly ask because I would hate to buy a pony which hasn't had this treatment disclosed (like acne cream) and have it start to deteriorate down the line. On the flipside, it looks like an attractive option for restoring ponies which I could be tempted by - only I am very, very wary of any chemical treatments used on ponies :|
Thoughts? Experiences? Wisdom? Bring forth!
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For ponies : BIG NOPE!!! Maybe on white ponies its ok but on all other ponies : noooo! It will "suck out" the color and leave stains bigger than the area you used the stuff on!
I tried it on my Lullabye Nursery, the effect was mixed I think. I was ok for the roof; it took the yellowing but kinda made the pink a little less vibrant too. I think it takes a lot of patience to use that stuff... I used it for the walls (outside) and the door too but it left "smears", so you need to rinse and repeat a lot to get a nice result.
I think the main problem for using it on the Lullabye Nursery (in my case) is : sun + stickers! You need to put it in the sunlight to make it work. I didnt find a proper way to save the outside stickers without damaging them or exposing them to the sun :( Maybe for the Show Stable it will work just fine!
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Does peroxide cream have the same effect as acne cream ? I would have thought it's two different chemicals. '-'
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Given that we don't really know the long term effects of aging and other things on the plastic and we are learning about those things all the time (plasticiser breakdown, etc), it seems reckless to the extreme to use potent chemicals in any regard.
I would be really concerned if a pony I bought had been exposed to any of these things, honestly.
The thing is, acne cream took a long time to be outed as bad for ponies. People were using it extensively with no negative effects. It's only down the line that the real permanent damage it did to these ponies is really apparent. And as the plastic becomes older, we have to face the fact that it's probably more susceptable to damage that maybe it would've withstood ages ago.
I am wary about sunfading for the same reason, since heat and sunlight and such do have an impact on the plastic and breakdown. I would think that even if it's not immediately obvious in damaging a pony, a chemical like peroxide is probably doing damage of some kind for which the full effects may not become apparent until further down the line.
I am no expert on chemicals but I think adding them to unstable plastics of 30ish years old is a bad idea...
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Well one of the most common ingredients in acne cream is benzoyl peroxide so...? I'm not sure of them reactive differences between benzoyl and hydrogen peroxides but both have a bleaching effect.
Yes I have often thought about that, in a couple years will we find all the ponies soaked in peroxide and the playsets coated in developing cream end up like acne cream victims? Will they end up bleaching ponies touching them eventually? Will they breakdown quicker?
I only have one pony that had a peroxide soak, but she is customized so I will not be sad if the above happens (besides contact bleaching) so I guess I can see what will happen. As for ponies that need such a treatment I just sell them off and let someone else make that decision.
As Taffeta above, I also don't sunfade ponies. I see lots of yellowed and damaged ponies from the sun so it seems like eventually exposing them more will have more effects later.
On that Nat Geo article about scientists trying to figure out preserving plastics it was said that even just putting aging plastic in water /washing it causes a chain reaction causing more breakdown
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This is what bleaching cream does after a long time! I applied the stuff around 2006 I think (maybe wrong, but its been longer than 10 years ago).
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please, DO NOT use any bleaching cream on ponies! It will suck out the color!
Yes, they have been cleaned after the procedure... it still happened.
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playsets: yes
ponies NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Does peroxide cream have the same effect as acne cream ? I would have thought it's two different chemicals. '-'
SAME chemicals - acne cream is Benzoyl peroxide !!!!!
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Even if it is safe for playsets, my concern would be displaying ponies in them. It would probably transfer like acne cream :huh:
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Even if it is safe for playsets, my concern would be displaying ponies in them. It would probably transfer like acne cream :huh:
Agreed. If a pony touches a playset that cream was used on, it would likely just transfer to the pony just like when cream treated ponies touch other ponies.
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This is what bleaching cream does after a long time! I applied the stuff around 2006 I think (maybe wrong, but its been longer than 10 years ago).
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please, DO NOT use any bleaching cream on ponies! It will suck out the color!
Yes, they have been cleaned after the procedure... it still happened.
Nooo that poor Nightlight
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Right. Well, I'm happy with that!! NO peroxide cream use for me!!
I would never, ever, have used acne cream, but my gut feeling was that this new 'hydrogen' cream wasn't a good idea either. Again I'm no scientist so I don't know the specific differences between benzoyl and hydrogen peroxide, but to be honest, I don't think the use of any bleaching treatment is a good idea (on ponies).
Thanks for your input, everyone :flow: :hearts:
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I kinda wonder if it could make the plastic more brittle in the long run,
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This is what bleaching cream does after a long time! I applied the stuff around 2006 I think (maybe wrong, but its been longer than 10 years ago).
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please, DO NOT use any bleaching cream on ponies! It will suck out the color!
Yes, they have been cleaned after the procedure... it still happened.
:shocked:
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Thank you for bringing this topic up! It IS relevant at the moment with many people reporting sometimes really impressive results. I am wary of using chemicals on ponies though so I haven't personally tried it. It is so very helpful to have feedback from people who have; thank you Einhornbaby for posting your photographs as many times this can say way more than mere words.
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At your service :P
Whenever I see a topic like this I show my poor Nightlights behind :/ I hope people will one day stop using the stuff!!
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At your service :P
Whenever I see a topic like this I show my poor Nightlights behind :/ I hope people will one day stop using the stuff!!
Pictures speak a thousand words and it's a very impactful picture!
If people have started using this kind of stuff again, I'm going to be doing a lot less pony buying. I hate chemical use on ponies, it's almost like selling a used car with an engine that will run just long enough for you to get a fair distance from the dealership before it goes wrong and ends up being a waste of money...
I understand people wanting minty ponies, but at what cost? I'd rather have a few marks than a contagious blotchfest.
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If people have started using this kind of stuff again, I'm going to be doing a lot less pony buying.
I am very inclined to agree. And it's one of the reasons I personally prefer to obtain my ponies where I can in as original condition as possible... at least then I can feel reasonably reassured of the history of the items. I often much prefer to clean up a pony myself, than not know what it's previously been through.
Interestingly, someone sent me an article noting the difference between benzoyl (used in acne cream) and hydrogen peroxide (commonly used in hair dressing and paper bleaching and which seems to be the current 'in' thing for restoration). The key thing being that the hydrogen peroxide is water soluble (meaning it can be washed off) whereas the benzoyl creates a film and cannot (which would explain the long lasting effect and transfer of the cream to other items). This is the (short) article here for those who'd like to read:
https://sciencing.com/difference-hydrogen-peroxide-benzoyl-peroxide-6184362.html?fbclid=IwAR3XBujJB3nZzO-c9PLuXEnEFfU7OqLyEQw_HfAT-Bg3H65WtFHWyHPgL9A
It has satisfied me at least that there is less risk of transfer, so seemingly the safer product. However, I still personally wouldn't use it (on ponies, anyway; I just don't feel good about it) and wouldn't want to purchase items treated with it. But that's my decision. Others such as the keen and enthusiastic restorers I've seen on fb will feel differently and are entitled to do so.
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Really handy to see this. I was planning to use developing cream after having it recommended numerous times on FB but I’ll hold off to see what happens.
I will use it on my play sets though as the ones I have are practically orange! :blink:
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Really handy to see this. I was planning to use developing cream after having it recommended numerous times on FB but I’ll hold off to see what happens.
I will use it on my play sets though as the ones I have are practically orange! :blink:
Just make sure to never make your ponies touch the playsets once you do it....
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My Lemondrop baby carriage has some yellowing on the roof but I'm ok with it.
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Just make sure to never make your ponies touch the playsets once you do it....
I think you’re thinking about Benzoyl Peroxide (spot cream) not Hydrogen Peroxide. The former leaves a film which can’t be removed without using another chemical (I can’t remember what) to break it down. It can also be transferred to other objects that come into contact with it and continue to react on them. Hydrogen Peroxide is chemically different. It very quickly breaks down into its component parts which are harmless (H2O2) and it can be removed completely with soapy water. So there’s nothing left to transfer to ponies or cause a continuing chemical reaction.
That being said, hydrogen peroxide hair treatments often have additives such as bleach which could cause unwanted side effects.
(Have been looking into this a lot since reading this thread the first time 😉)
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Just make sure to never make your ponies touch the playsets once you do it....
I think you’re thinking about Benzoyl Peroxide (spot cream) not Hydrogen Peroxide. The former leaves a film which can’t be removed without using another chemical (I can’t remember what) to break it down. It can also be transferred to other objects that come into contact with it and continue to react on them. Hydrogen Peroxide is chemically different. It very quickly breaks down into its component parts which are harmless (H2O2) and it can be removed completely with soapy water. So there’s nothing left to transfer to ponies or cause a continuing chemical reaction.
That being said, hydrogen peroxide hair treatments often have additives such as bleach which could cause unwanted side effects.
(Have been looking into this a lot since reading this thread the first time 😉)
So, that DOES mean peroxide cream is not the same as acne cream.
Usually, different molecules with kind of the same components don't obligatory have the same effect. Look at water, H2O, add another oxygen atom and poof, it's hydrogen peroxide, same components, different formula, pretty drastically different properties !
So, the questions are : are there ponies affected/cured by peroxide cream (and not Benzoyl peroxide aka acne cream) and is it effective ? What kind of bleaching cream are people referring to when showcasing pictures of damaged ponies ? What is the composition of Peroxide Cream ? Like, is it the same as a simple peroxide bath ? Because people have combined peroxide bath + sunfading and their ponies are(?) doing fine.
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From what I understand peroxide cream (without other additives) is broadly the same as the peroxide used in peroxide baths but have a higher concentration of hydrogen peroxide.
I’ve spoken to quite a few people who have used it on ponies and so far none of them (except the ones on this thread) have reported negative effects beside those you would normally associate with a peroxide bath. Most have said its easier and quicker than a peroxide bath.
I’ve also found people who have been using it on play sets and hard plastic toys such as Star Wars figures for over a decade with no negative effects... these people hadn’t used it on ponies though.
I haven’t used it myself yet because my toddler refuses to let me play with ponies without her help 😂 so I can only repeat what others have told me.
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I know absolutely nothing about the science, but it is well known that different plastics react differently. Acne cream has also been used successfully without harm on some hard plastic toys. But not on MLP.
And the keyword in this is 'yet'. Acne cream etc was used successfully for a long time with no visible damage to the pony. In some cases it took ten years for the true harm to become apparent. There are still treated ponies which are a time bomb, waiting to go off. Knowing that such a risk existed with a related compound, it seems recklessly foolish to risk similar happening here, just for the sake of short term perfection. I took chemistry and I understand the difference between H20 and H202, but we're not talking about the difference between water and Hydrogen peroxide. We're talking about the dangers of bleach of any kind on unstable plastic that is often more than three decades old.
I wouldn't buy a pony I knew had been chemically treated, but people often don't disclose this, and they should. Even if the effects are different, right now nobody can prove that there will not be harm that appears some years down the line.
I think advising people that it's probably ok because a bunch of people haven't had a problem yet is reckless. I'm old enough in pony terms to remember exactly the same kind of endorsements for acne cream, and look where that brought us.
Ponies are old. The plastic is already somewhat unstable. I'd rather have a pony with a few flaws from playtime than one ruined forever by someone's perfectionism.
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I wouldn't buy a pony I knew had been chemically treated, but people often don't disclose this, and they should.
Ponies are old. The plastic is already somewhat unstable. I'd rather have a pony with a few flaws from playtime than one ruined forever by someone's perfectionism.
Agreed.
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When you guys are talking about ‘bleach’ I think you’re refereing to to hydrogen peroxide. If you’re using hair cream bleach there’s not much more in it but hydrogen peroxide, an accelerator (bicarb) and oils. There’s no ‘bleach’, that’s just a generic name for used for the product.
I would use hydrogen peroxide on ponies for my personal collection but if I were to sell them I would declare that they had been chemically treated. All evidence so far points to hydrogen peroxide being safe, it was the acne cream that was a problem!
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When you guys are talking about ‘bleach’ I think you’re refereing to to hydrogen peroxide. If you’re using hair cream bleach there’s not much more in it but hydrogen peroxide, an accelerator (bicarb) and oils. There’s no ‘bleach’, that’s just a generic name for used for the product.
I would use hydrogen peroxide on ponies for my personal collection but if I were to sell them I would declare that they had been chemically treated. All evidence so far points to hydrogen peroxide being safe, it was the acne cream that was a problem!
I think so long as you disclose it, that's fine - its on your own head.
But I will reiterate, people said acne cream was safe, too. Folk who have been here a really long time will remember it being touted as the cureall and miracle cream. And it only transpired that it wasn't a lot later.
I feel like the possibility of a bunch of ponies being destroyed because of lack of proper testing of the effects of this on MLP plastic is too high a price to pay for perfectionism and I stand by that.
And we were talking about H202. Which is Hydrogen Peroxide, right? I passed Chemistry ;) Which is used in bleach. Albeit maybe not all brands, but specifically the discussion was about hydrogen peroxide. Bleach is just a catchall term in this context.
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Well done for passing Chemistry Taffeta. I did very well at Chemistry A-Level but I have no real credentials to back up this debate - I’m not a scientist. So far all we have to go on is anectodal evidence, and like you say time will tell. It would be interesting to see if there’s been any proper research done into effects of it on plastic. I only mentioned the term bleach as someone said something along the lines of ‘hair products that contain hydrogen peroxide also have other additives, such as bleach’. I was just clarifying that hydrogen peroxide is the ‘bleach’ they were referring to, like you just said. There’s not much else in hair lightening cream but H202.
I remember when acne cream was the done thing - I used it on a few ponies that I still have in my collection and so far they have suffered no ill effects. I won’t be doing it again though!