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Title: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Gator on January 28, 2018, 01:23:12 PM: Everyone here on the arena probably knows of this as old news, but I just learned of Gusty the great today. I don't normally get to watch FIM very often, as I normally don't get the channel on which it airs. So I was catching up this weekend, and imagine my surprise when I heard of Gusty the great, and saw her image with accurate hair color on the book cover! Then to go on and hear about her battle with Grogar? Amazing! So glad when the show does reference G1 in a good way.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: RoseNoire on January 28, 2018, 01:29:16 PM: Oh ! This is amazing. I had never noticed that. =D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0tZyRGMiC0
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: LadyMoondancer on January 28, 2018, 01:43:58 PM: I was so excited about that part too! Long live Gusty!
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Taffeta on January 28, 2018, 02:45:09 PM: Was this the great part where she got smoozed and grumpy or the bit where she bullied Wind Whistler? ;)

I do like that G4 does that, occasionally nodding back to the past.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Sunset on January 28, 2018, 03:17:24 PM: Yes! I loved that! This gave me hope that we might see Gusty in the G4 toy line. But seeing as we are still waiting for a Moondancer brushable, I might be waiting for a while. :P
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 28, 2018, 03:39:39 PM: Quote from: Sunset on January 28, 2018, 03:17:24 PM
Yes! I loved that! This gave me hope that we might see Gusty in the G4 toy line. But seeing as we are still waiting for a Moondancer brushable, I might be waiting for a while. :P

Maybe they'll pop up in the G5 toys?
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Taffeta on January 28, 2018, 03:47:41 PM: I've been tempted for a while to turn Raritys into Moondancer, Gusty and Glory, but I don't like to cut hair on ponies that are in good shape, and apparently kids don't buzzcut Rarity...? Maybe eventually at a carboot sale.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on January 28, 2018, 04:51:55 PM: Quote from: Taffeta on January 28, 2018, 03:47:41 PM
I've been tempted for a while to turn Raritys into Moondancer, Gusty and Glory, but I don't like to cut hair on ponies that are in good shape, and apparently kids don't buzzcut Rarity...? Maybe eventually at a carboot sale.
That's a good point, Rarities make good bases for so many unicorns..
There was also a small reference to the collector ponies in the comics, but I can't find a good image for it. i wish they would reference G1 more, though! It's a nice surprise to the multi-gen fans.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: poniesthatsparkle on January 28, 2018, 05:11:17 PM: I just watched that episode today, actually! I got so excited about the G1 reference.

Quote from: tailrustedtealeaf on January 28, 2018, 04:51:55 PM
Quote from: Taffeta on January 28, 2018, 03:47:41 PM
I've been tempted for a while to turn Raritys into Moondancer, Gusty and Glory, but I don't like to cut hair on ponies that are in good shape, and apparently kids don't buzzcut Rarity...? Maybe eventually at a carboot sale.
That's a good point, Rarities make good bases for so many unicorns..
There was also a small reference to the collector ponies in the comics, but I can't find a good image for it. i wish they would reference G1 more, though! It's a nice surprise to the multi-gen fans.

I believe this is the reference you're talking about?

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Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Khoufu on January 29, 2018, 03:57:20 PM: The first FiM comic (issue 1 of what I think was the first comic) had a huge picture on one page, and one of the ponies was G1 Firefly. I borrowed that comic years ago.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: LadyMoondancer on January 29, 2018, 03:59:18 PM: There's also a comic with baby versions of a bunch of G1 pegasus ponies on the front. (Swarming Spitfire for her autograph IIRC.) Soooo cute!
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Goanna on January 29, 2018, 06:28:26 PM: Oh yes I love the little G1 references they throw in every now and then ^^

I remember there was also a comic cover where Rarity is wearing the roller skating ponywear outfit from G1 :D
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Deep Purple Crystal on January 30, 2018, 02:32:54 PM: Isn't the reference due to one of the episode's writers (Sammie Crowley, I believe) running the Gusty365 G1 Series Resource Tumblr? I checked up on the blog last year and the owner posted about her work on the Loud House, including one episode that was written by her and her 'fabulous partner' - they were the same team credited for 'A Flurry of Emotions'. Noticed the connection immediately when I first saw the episode. It's great that at least a few G1 fans are involved in the writing of FiM though, particularly considering the past (circa 2011-2014) brony hate for G1.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on January 30, 2018, 03:55:00 PM: Quote from: poniesthatsparkle on January 28, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
I believe this is the reference you're talking about?

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That's the one!!
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on January 30, 2018, 05:28:29 PM: Quote from: poniesthatsparkle on January 28, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
I believe this is the reference you're talking about?

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Yes! G1 references in G4 media is my favorite thing. Remember when Moondancer look like this?
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Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Sunset on January 30, 2018, 05:44:58 PM: Here's the one with great skates. I loved this one cause Glory was the one who always wore that outfit in my herd.

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Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Carrehz on February 02, 2018, 08:30:24 AM: Which is the comic that had the main 6 talking about "The End of Flutter Valley" in the background of some panels? Issue 9 maybe? It was a Big McIntosh story. I liked that one :biggrin:

I love the G1 refs the comics sneak in. Have they ever tossed in any G3/G2 refs?
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Mana Minori on February 02, 2018, 09:41:26 AM: Quote from: Sunset on January 30, 2018, 05:44:58 PM
Here's the one with great skates. I loved this one cause Glory was the one who always wore that outfit in my herd.

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if that's not a reference to g1's opening, I don't know what is.

also- I still love that g1's were roller skating long before g3's were.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Mana Minori on February 02, 2018, 09:42:24 AM: Quote from: Carrehz on February 02, 2018, 08:30:24 AM
Which is the comic that had the main 6 talking about "The End of Flutter Valley" in the background of some panels? Issue 9 maybe? It was a Big McIntosh story. I liked that one :biggrin:

I love the G1 refs the comics sneak in. Have they ever tossed in any G3/G2 refs?
Big Mac and the Art of Gazebo Repair.

still mad that g4 never showed the Flutter ponies since then. But at least they're proven canon (even by way of dialogue) in g4.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Breyer600 on February 02, 2018, 09:51:15 AM: Quote from: Carrehz on February 02, 2018, 08:30:24 AM
Which is the comic that had the main 6 talking about "The End of Flutter Valley" in the background of some panels? Issue 9 maybe? It was a Big McIntosh story. I liked that one :biggrin:

I love the G1 refs the comics sneak in. Have they ever tossed in any G3/G2 refs?

I don't know about G2, but G3 Starsong made an appearance as a unicorn in one issue along with G1s Powder and Skyflier (and that's Moondancer's mane off to the side).
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Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 02, 2018, 11:25:42 AM: Quote from: nightmare muffin on February 02, 2018, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: Carrehz on February 02, 2018, 08:30:24 AM
Which is the comic that had the main 6 talking about "The End of Flutter Valley" in the background of some panels? Issue 9 maybe? It was a Big McIntosh story. I liked that one :biggrin:

I love the G1 refs the comics sneak in. Have they ever tossed in any G3/G2 refs?
Big Mac and the Art of Gazebo Repair.

still mad that g4 never showed the Flutter ponies since then. But at least they're proven canon (even by way of dialogue) in g4.

I'll never understand something being uncanon just because it didn't happen in the here and now. I'm not saying this against you kay. But I've heard other G4 fans say it and its dumb. Its like saying Lando Calrisian isn't canon unless he's in the new star wars.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Khoufu on February 02, 2018, 11:46:46 AM: It just mean it officially exists in that universe. Lando Calrissian is canon to Star Wars, but the events of most of the books are not canon. All it means is that people writing content do or do not have to write around something existing. It can also be exciting to see new generations acknowledge older stuff.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Taffeta on February 02, 2018, 12:03:48 PM: Quote from: Leave a Whisper on February 02, 2018, 11:25:42 AM
Quote from: nightmare muffin on February 02, 2018, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: Carrehz on February 02, 2018, 08:30:24 AM
Which is the comic that had the main 6 talking about "The End of Flutter Valley" in the background of some panels? Issue 9 maybe? It was a Big McIntosh story. I liked that one :biggrin:

I love the G1 refs the comics sneak in. Have they ever tossed in any G3/G2 refs?
Big Mac and the Art of Gazebo Repair.

still mad that g4 never showed the Flutter ponies since then. But at least they're proven canon (even by way of dialogue) in g4.

I'll never understand something being uncanon just because it didn't happen in the here and now. I'm not saying this against you kay. But I've heard other G4 fans say it and its dumb. Its like saying Lando Calrisian isn't canon unless he's in the new star wars.

The G4 fandom in general is so much more tied to one particular storyline than any other generation, and so I think sometimes it's hard to break from that mentality into a polycanon based mindset which most G1 collectors have (or people who began with G1). G1 is not so globalised or universal, there are lots of different things and there is no overall canon. I think that promotes imagination, personally. But that's just my preference.

I also don't understand the obsession in the modern world with something being 'canon' or not. It's not specific to G4, you see this debate in anime and manga communities, with disputes as to whether 'filler' arc characters should be considered canon or not. I remember some complex disputes over one character who had been designed by the mangaka but only appeared in the animation in a filler arc. And the flipside - a character that appeared in a filler later got drawn into the manga.

I don't really get involved in those disputes since most of them are founded on translations of the manga and anime thus basically defeat their own point (anything translated is immediately not the work of the author and therefore dubious as canon) but it does spread into other fandoms.

I don't really understand why flutter ponies have to be in G4 canon anyway. They're G1, they supersede all G4 in terms of age thus they're the original "canon" if you like. It's as ridiculous as saying Pinkie Pie should be in G1 canon. Why? They're different. The only problem with using canon in G4 context against G1 is to imply that G1 ponies are worth nothing unless they're also acknowledged somehow in G4. And that's offensive. Otherwise I don't really understand why anything G1 should be in G4. On the contrary, G1 stuff being in G4 sort of suggests G4 can't do anything without drawing on G1 precepts, and that shouldn't be the case anyway. They OUGHT to be different. In my opinion, if you want all the G1 stuff in G4, what you really want is G1. *shrug*.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 02, 2018, 12:29:17 PM: Quote from: Khoufu on February 02, 2018, 11:46:46 AM
It just mean it officially exists in that universe. Lando Calrissian is canon to Star Wars, but the events of most of the books are not canon. All it means is that people writing content do or do not have to write around something existing. It can also be exciting to see new generations acknowledge older stuff.

It's still dumb. I've heard people say that a character isn't canon because they're not in the damn show or only showed as a toy or a past generation. If its a toy or character in a comic its canon or an earlier gen. This is a toyline not a show line that Later spawned toys.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Taffeta on February 02, 2018, 12:49:41 PM: Quote from: Leave a Whisper on February 02, 2018, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: Khoufu on February 02, 2018, 11:46:46 AM
It just mean it officially exists in that universe. Lando Calrissian is canon to Star Wars, but the events of most of the books are not canon. All it means is that people writing content do or do not have to write around something existing. It can also be exciting to see new generations acknowledge older stuff.

It's still dumb. I've heard people say that a character isn't canon because they're not in the damn show or only showed as a toy or a past generation. If its a toy or character in a comic its canon or an earlier gen. This is a toyline not a show line that Later spawned toys.

It's ok, LAW. We'll just tell them Pinkie Pie and Dash aren't canon ponies because they aren't in G1. And see how quickly they explode.

You're right of course. Anything pony is canon to MLP. Nirvana ponies may not have been released everywhere but they still exist. Even the celestials who don't exist are part of pony 'canon'. It's all inclusive. Not exclusive. It all belongs somewhere :)
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 02, 2018, 01:08:37 PM: Well, sometimes a toyline (or whatever) can have a split canon.

An example of this would be G1 Transformers, where the events of the Marvel comics were pretty much completely different from the TV show. Oh, the basics were the same (Autobots vs Decepticons) but for example in the cartoon Shockwave was so loyal to Megatron that he called him EVERY DAY FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS while Megatron was missing, while in the comics Shockwave arrived on Earth, decided Megatron didn't deserve to lead the Decepticons, kicked Megatron's butt, and took over.
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But as Taffeta and others have said, that doesn't mean the comics or the cartoon weren't canon. They were both canon to Transformers. If something is officially published, it's canon.

That said, I don't really care much about what is canon anyway. My headcanon is more important to me than "canon-canon", lol.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 02, 2018, 01:25:59 PM: Quote from: Taffeta on February 02, 2018, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Leave a Whisper on February 02, 2018, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: Khoufu on February 02, 2018, 11:46:46 AM
It just mean it officially exists in that universe. Lando Calrissian is canon to Star Wars, but the events of most of the books are not canon. All it means is that people writing content do or do not have to write around something existing. It can also be exciting to see new generations acknowledge older stuff.

It's still dumb. I've heard people say that a character isn't canon because they're not in the damn show or only showed as a toy or a past generation. If its a toy or character in a comic its canon or an earlier gen. This is a toyline not a show line that Later spawned toys.

It's ok, LAW. We'll just tell them Pinkie Pie and Dash aren't canon ponies because they aren't in G1. And see how quickly they explode.

You're right of course. Anything pony is canon to MLP. Nirvana ponies may not have been released everywhere but they still exist. Even the celestials who don't exist are part of pony 'canon'. It's all inclusive. Not exclusive. It all belongs somewhere :)

I love your logic. :hug:
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on February 02, 2018, 03:38:46 PM: Quote from: Breyer600 on February 02, 2018, 09:51:15 AM

I don't know about G2, but G3 Starsong made an appearance as a unicorn in one issue along with G1s Powder and Skyflier (and that's Moondancer's mane off to the side).
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Oh my goodness I never saw this! Love it!! (Starsong makes a cute uni...)
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Khoufu on February 02, 2018, 04:01:21 PM: As far as MLP canon, I agree that everything officially licensed is canon, albeit the comics probably being semi-canon to the show.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Gator on February 02, 2018, 04:24:28 PM: Ack! Powder and Skyflier! Awesome!
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Taffeta on February 02, 2018, 04:34:28 PM: Quote from: Khoufu on February 02, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
As far as MLP canon, I agree that everything officially licensed is canon, albeit the comics probably being semi-canon to the show.

I sincerely hope you're talking about G4 comics, because if you're talking about G1 comics, we're going to have a fakie fight.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Khoufu on February 03, 2018, 09:29:09 AM: I know nothing about the g1 comic.
Title: Re: Gusty the Great!
Post by: Taffeta on February 03, 2018, 09:30:59 AM: Quote from: Khoufu on February 03, 2018, 09:29:09 AM
I know nothing about the g1 comic.

Good answer. *gives cookie* xD.