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Title: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 14, 2023, 11:30:28 AM
I have come into possession of a large quantity of MLP production material. It's mostly Rescue From Midnight Castle and the TV series but there are commercials here and possibly other things I'm still going through. I will be scanning these but it will be a very long time before I'm done (there are hundreds) but I'll be posting them in this thread as I do them. Hope you guys enjoy.

The Sunbow Marvel Archive (https://sunbowmarvelarchive.blogspot.com) has permission to host these and I'll be adding them to tumblr (https://www.tumblr.com/yanchamisc) and certain ones also to archive.org.

The archive.org uploads will be found here:
https://archive.org/details/@yanchagraffiti
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on October 15, 2023, 07:14:44 AM
oooo exciting!  thanks for sharing
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 15, 2023, 07:38:32 AM
It's gong to take me a very long time to go through all these. But included are:

Storyboards for midnight castle and various episodes including the end of flutter valley, ghost of paradise estate, sonumbula, and tambelon.
Character designs for TV and commercials
At least one page of lyrics.
Midnight castle press kit
Tons of sketches
Three background cels, one of which has fire damage.

The press kit is scanned I just need to clean and upload so expect to see that first. Some beautiful art I've never seen before.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 15, 2023, 07:56:12 AM
OMG!  That is a treasure trove!!!  Thanks for uploading them / sharing them with the archive, I love seeing animation history being preserved!
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 15, 2023, 08:12:16 AM
Press kit up on archive and tumblr, feel free to reblog/share and do whatever you want with them.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Gator on October 15, 2023, 01:36:46 PM
I am a big Draggle fan.  Wish I could have afforded that Reeka/Draggle piece on eBay, but that was way out of my league😩
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 15, 2023, 03:19:59 PM
I do have character models of them you'll see eventually.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on October 15, 2023, 07:27:10 PM
Just to save time as we go along, material at the Archive's end will be available at the MLP N Friends page (theoretically covers all four shows in the anthology): https://sunbowmarvelarchive.blogspot.com/p/mp-5201-my-little-pony-1984-1986-sunbow.html
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 17, 2023, 07:35:27 AM
OMG OMG this is amazing!!!
Storyboards for midnight castle and various episodes including the end of flutter valley, ghost of paradise estate, sonumbula, and tambelon.

:drunk: I've been longing for stuff like this for years now! OMG I can't wait to see the Flutter Valley stuff ;_;

Thank you so much for sharing and preserving these!!

The Press Kit is fascinating - this is the first we've heard of the "It's A Brand New Day" cut song, right? I always thought the special ended somewhat abruptly! I wonder what the song would've been like :O And it's interesting how the plot summary doesn't really mention Spike either - and Glory was originally going to be taken by Tirac instead of Cotton Candy! Ahhh omg I'm living for this
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 17, 2023, 09:15:22 AM
Amazing . . . so much changed!  "The Rainbow of Darkness terrorizes the little ponies and turns their beautiful hair into tangles."  No mention of Scorpan being a prince either.  What I wouldn't give to hear the ending song.  Some genuine lost media there . . .
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 17, 2023, 09:36:31 AM
There's other minor differences on some storyboards I've noticed. Please document anything you notice different here, some episodes I've seen considerably less than others (like prince and the ponies which is also in here) so I'm going to miss things. My husband is taking the storyboards to his job to scan in batches since they won't fit in my scanner. The smaller pieces I'll do at home.

I have also come into possession of an audio reel. Nothing as exciting as a missing song I'm afraid but probably still interesting to hear once I get it digitized.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on October 17, 2023, 10:07:35 AM
Amazing . . . so much changed!  "The Rainbow of Darkness terrorizes the little ponies and turns their beautiful hair into tangles."  No mention of Scorpan being a prince either.  What I wouldn't give to hear the ending song.  Some genuine lost media there . . .

For specials and miniseries that got the full press release treatment, the summary was usually the writer's original premise, which could change a lot as it went through outline and full script.  So just be aware that some of these things may not have made it that far.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 17, 2023, 11:49:56 AM
Things of interest I am noticing as I go through these

On the ROMC size comparison chart names are spelled:
Tee-Jay
Tirac
Scorpan

Twinkles the cat is mentioned by name but no mention at all of First Born.

Princess Pony TV commercial: Princess Sparkle named Princess Lilac. Her symbol also does not appear to match unlike the rest.

Big Brothers TV commercial changed names:

Casey crossed out and renamed Steamer
Tumbleweed crossed out and renamed Tex
Touchdown crossed out and renamed Score (this is Quarterback)

Majesty lised in the unicorn listing for the TV series yet I do not see any character designs for her.

There's more things like this I'm sure I'll find as I continue to go through this massive pile.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 17, 2023, 01:15:52 PM
Dang, we've been spelling TJ/Tee-Jay wrong all these years!

Touchdown crossed out and renamed Score (this is Slugger)

do you mean Quarterback? Slugger's the baseball pony - Quarterback was called "Score" in Somnambula.

which speaking of, ahhh that explains Sparkle and Quarterback having the wrong names in the cartoon!! I assumed they were early names that got changed too late to be reflected in the cartoon, but it's so good to finally have some concrete confirmation of that! I've seen "Casey" for Steamer before, but "Tumbleweed" and "Touchdown" are new ones on me :O I guess Quarterback got renamed super last minute? I wonder what happened there.

re: the RaMC summary, I think it's interesting that there's no mention of the Sea Ponies either!! So interesting to see what is/isn't there.
The write-up for Tommy Goodman describes him as writing "six" songs for the special (I assume opening, ending, Dancing on Air, Little Piece of Rainbow, Call Upon the Sea Ponies, and the lost "Brand New Day" song) so it sounds like the lost song was written. probably a demo recording existed at least at one point, who knows if it was ever recorded with the actual voice actors... oh man, I'd kill to hear it ;_;

Twinkles the cat is mentioned by name but no mention at all of First Born.

Is there any mention of Peachy anywhere? I think she was listed in the series bible Wildshadow has, and we've theorized before that "First Born" started off as Peachy before being changed into a rainbow pony (which would explain why Twinkles is there).
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PM
Ah yes sorry, I'm half asleep today you are correct, I've edited the post. I've always wondered about the odd names they had in the cartoon and it makes sense that they were changed very late in the game. Maybe legal issues? Ice Crystal had a name plate with Frost on it so it's happened before.

So far no sign of Peachy anywhere. Anyone able to contact Wildshadow and have her confirm/deny any information she has on Midnight Castle? I'd love to sort this all out.


Post Merge: October 18, 2023, 04:07:02 AM

Call upon the sea ponies storyboard is up. It has several changes from the final version. This one is dated 1/3/1984, there is also a different revised one dated 1/6/1984 that I will also scan.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 18, 2023, 09:17:43 AM
I don't have any off-site contact details for Wildshadow, but I sent her a PM on here :)

Omg omg omg these storyboards are amazing! Some things are completely different to both the final cartoon AND the one that used to be on Wendell Washer's site! Oh my god, sea ponies using telegraphs, I love it! and it's cracking me up that this ver just has them get caught up in the song while AJ and Megan quietly drown in the background :lmao: I see why they toned it down but omg this is so fantastic!!
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on October 18, 2023, 05:03:39 PM
I don't have any off-site contact details for Wildshadow, but I sent her a PM on here :)

Omg omg omg these storyboards are amazing! Some things are completely different to both the final cartoon AND the one that used to be on Wendell Washer's site! Oh my god, sea ponies using telegraphs, I love it! and it's cracking me up that this ver just has them get caught up in the song while AJ and Megan quietly drown in the background :lmao: I see why they toned it down but omg this is so fantastic!!

Good catch, I might not have noticed.  Sure enough, the version I saved off Wendell's website was revised six days later.  The changed panels are marked with an asterisk at the top: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LTkQCOJ8TDOp-CfpaOA9gU7R448m4JVK/view?usp=share_link
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 18, 2023, 05:43:54 PM
Ahh!! I'd been looking for a revision date on the website version and totally missed the asterisks XP Good eye!
So it looks like the other ver Rhaegar has is right in-between these two, then?

Oh man I can't believe we actually have multiple versions of this sequence now.

These are the changes I noticed between versions:
Spoiler
(Page count refers to 1/3/84 revision, also I kept the dates in their original format, which I'm assuming is month-day-year, to avoid confusion...)

pages 1, 2 are missing from 1/9/84 version
page 4 - same as 1/9/84 but missing Twilight's v/o line
page 5 - missing third panel (which is lightly sketched into the revised ver)
page 16 - sixth panel was revised
pages 17, 18 are completely different
page 19 - all panels except sixth were revised
page 21 - sixth panel was revised
pages 22-25 are completely different
page 26 - bottom center (Simply signal SOS) panel was revised
page 27 - all panels except first were revised
page 28 is completely different
pages 29-31 are missing from 1/9/84 version

God these storyboard panels are beautiful. I love the unused shot of Twilight asking "weren't you afraid?".
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Ponyfan on October 19, 2023, 07:09:16 AM


Omg omg omg these storyboards are amazing! Some things are completely different to both the final cartoon AND the one that used to be on Wendell Washer's site! Oh my god, sea ponies using telegraphs, I love it! and it's cracking me up that this ver just has them get caught up in the song while AJ and Megan quietly drown in the background :lmao: I see why they toned it down but omg this is so fantastic!!


I just read the storyboard panels.   I wish Twilight's line would have been kept too. I guess Megan and Applejack almost drowning was considered too intense?

I haven't read the press kit yet.  Is there anything about why Spike chose to stay with the ponies instead of going back to his home or staying with Scorpan?


Ponyfan
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 19, 2023, 08:40:29 AM
This is very cool!
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 19, 2023, 11:28:08 AM
1/6/1984 version of the sea pony song uploaded.

Post Merge: October 20, 2023, 05:07:17 AM

Midnight Castle act III storyboard up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 21, 2023, 11:12:10 AM
Ghost of Paradise Estate Part 1 up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 21, 2023, 11:56:07 AM
Thank you so much for doing these Rhaegar. :)
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on October 21, 2023, 02:48:23 PM
Now I've had a chance to compare, Ghost Of Paradise Estate is heavily cut.  The first 14 pages with all the painting mishaps are cut, presumably in compensation for the song sequence which was not ready to be boarded yet.

Because that's a thing I've noticed.  Whereas Jem songs were recorded using singers in New York, while the script was still being written. Because both MLP and Glo Friends were more musical numbers sung by the voice cast, Marvel had to wait until after dialogue recording to put those sequences in as revisions.


Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 23, 2023, 07:58:44 AM
Somnambula Part 1 up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 23, 2023, 03:53:07 PM
Thanks so much for these Rhaegar, these are amazing <3

Yeah, it does seem like the songs were added in after the fact for the series, the "Somnambula" boards just say "song start/song end" rather than going through the "Big Brother Ponies" song. (or maybe another artist boarded that sequence?) Interesting!

I haven't properly looked over the series boards yet but there's a few differences I noticed in the RaMC Act III boards:

- the Rainbow of Light locket isn't heart-shaped
- APPLEJACK IS WEARING A HAT HERE omg omg omg I can't cope with this. it's not in the Sea Ponies song so I'm guessing she would've gotten this from the Moochick?
- the scene w/ Megan and the ponies sneaking into Midnight Castle is slightly longer/different
- Not a change, but the description of Spike as being like "a hysterical cheerleader" is sending me right now
- Tirac's Rainbow of Darkness incantation is a bit longer
- at the end, Bubbles is dismayed at being splashed rather than finding it funny

I've just skimmed the Somnambula boards and I've spotted some extra dialogue ("Six-way tie" etc) too

I just read the storyboard panels.   I wish Twilight's line would have been kept too. I guess Megan and Applejack almost drowning was considered too intense?

Yeah, I was surprised when I saw those boards. It's a cool sequence but I can definitely see why it didn't make the cut.

I'm guessing the morse code bit was cut because it didn't read clearly. I put the storyboards to the music and those shots would go by VERY quickly, too quickly to really tell what's going on in them - I can see why they simplified it for the final.

I haven't read the press kit yet.  Is there anything about why Spike chose to stay with the ponies instead of going back to his home or staying with Scorpan?

Nope, in fact Spike's not really mentioned in the press kit at all (there are some pics of him though).

I'd guess that they just never thought of an explanation for that. I think RaMC was just written as a standalone story and they hadn't necessarily planned for future stories, and then probably it wasn't deemed necessary to explain it later? it would've been nice if they had gone into that, though (I wish we'd seen Scorpan again).

Also WOOT official spelling of "Kiri", nice! I was never sure exactly how to spell that.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 24, 2023, 02:10:40 PM
Loose storyboard pages for Baby It's Cold Outside up. There's a lot of loose character designs and art for this episode, I'll bundle those together once I've scanned them all.

Next up soon will be the rest of Somnambula.

Also I have the digital audio for the MLP movie audition reel. This thing is a trip, hope to have it up soon.

Post Merge: October 25, 2023, 08:53:57 AM

Somnambula part 2 and some sketches from the same episode up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: sweetstuff85 on October 25, 2023, 11:33:36 PM
This is all so amazing!

Thanks for the updates. Love all of this!

Thanks for all your hard work!!
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 26, 2023, 04:37:02 AM
Quest of the Princess Ponies up. I like the little sword sheaths they hold their wands in.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 26, 2023, 11:32:52 AM
Some interesting differences in the "Somnambula" boards:

Spoiler
(Part 1)
- the storyboards include Babies Cuddles, Lickety, Gusty and Heart Throb in the first shot too
- Page 3 isn't used in the final ep
- anyone got any idea what "N.D. Ponies" means? (On page 3)
- So Soft Twilight and Locket are in the boards, but not the final ep!
- the boards don't specify Somnambula's voice changing along with her appearance
- Probably a coincidence, but I'm amused by one of Score's first lines including the phrase "touchdown" when we now know that was his original name
- page 54 - Salty's line is cut down to just "Blow me down!" in the final ep. Page 55 and most of 56 didn't make it into the final.
- The Brothers' feathering is drawn differently in some panels compared to the final ep (two lines of fur instead of just one? looks like they're wearing little socks or something, lol)
- There's a cute background gag where Baby Sleepy Pie keeps falling asleep, this got cut in the final (it's not pointed out so possibly the animators just overlooked it?). Shame since this is her only appearance in the cartoon, it would've been nice for her to have SOME sort of personality trait.
- Somnambula's much prettier in the final ep! :P Conversely, I actually prefer Kiri's design from the boards (very Snow White-esque!)
- page 79/80 - the close-up of Kiri being crushed didn't make it into the final. The rest of this *technically* made it into the final ep, but the storyboards are a LOT clearer than the final ver - I never really got what was going on here before now. Guessing S&P found it too violent and asked for it to be toned down, but the final ver is just kind of confusing.
- Score's final line "I suddenly have a very bad feeling about this...!" was cut (at least it's not in the version of the ep I have...... most home video releases cut a few seconds out of the end of every ep to remove the "To Be Continued" so this might have been a casualty of that? don't have time to hunt down a copy without the TBC cut right now)

(Part 2)
- Pleasure Island the amusement park looks a bit less empty/abandoned in the boards
(speaking of Pinocchio, I *just* noticed the Monstro-esque building in the background of the final ep. Nice touch.)
- In the boards, the first pony the Big Brothers come across is Ribbon; in the final ep, it's Truly. I get why they changed it, since Truly's more relevant to the story (follows up from the end of part 1 better too), but Ribbon never really did anything in the show so it's sad to see we lost a moment with her here.
- "Clearly this is Heart Throb's personal romance theatre" (I just wanted to quote this lol. hey, is her Salome thing here a Sunset Boulevard ref?)
- Gingerbread has dialogue in the boards but not the final ep
- Score's line "This place is making all the Little Ponies - old!" cut in final

Rhaegar - Page 13 from the Somnambula Part 2 boards is a repeat from Part 1, was that intentional? :o

Re: Baby, It's Cold Outside - SO nice to finally get a confirmed spelling for the little duckling's name. I was never sure if it was meant to be "Sunny" or "Sonny" since both make sense.

Princess Ponies: OMG the wand sheathes. Oh god that's adorable, they should've kept those!!! The final ep just has them awkwardly holding the wands in their mouths a lot (and talking clearly even despite this) - that's always bugged me but I figured, you know, what else could they do - but sheathes are such a clever workaround!

(comparisons, nitpicks, etc)
Spoiler
- the boards specify to reference "The Magic Coins" for the Crystal Desert, which isn't really obvious in the final ep
- in the boards, the princesses are introduced making "hat shapes in their own colours". in the final ep they're making magical versions of their symbols. I wonder why the change?
- cut dialogue:
Serena: Did you hurt yourself?
Tiffany: Well, not hurt, exactly... But it's just awful!

now this one shoulda been kept - I always said Serena was the most sensible of the princesses - it'd be nice to see that early on in the ep.
- Lilac: -a knowledge of every part of one's domain! Especially the growing things!
Second half of line is cut from final.
- page 16 - "Who should be queen?" is just said over a black screen (transition out of song) in the final. the transition is MUCH smoother in the boards but I guess they had to cut it for time?
The storyboards suggest that Washer was working off the idea that the "By Right, I Should Be Queen" song would have the Princess show off their talents in a talent contest-esque setting - the final sequence just has them wander around showing off. I like the final version, but the Princesses-on-stage setup is really cute too.
- Cut sequence (pages 17-19) where the Bushwoolies "vote" for should be the Queen. this explains Spike's "let's let the Bushwoolies decide!" line in the final ep!!! the final ep just cuts straight from that to Lavan, making Spike's line this kind of weird non-sequitur.
between this + the Ghost of P.E. cuts it's looking like eps getting trimmed down to accomodate the songs happened quite often? IIiinteresting.
- Lavan's name is spelt like that here, not "La-van" as one VHS tape spelt it. *nitpicky*
- I never noticed Spike + the Bushwoolies dipping their little feets in the fountain before! in part cuz it's not really animated very clearly. but omg, that's *adorable*.
- the Bushwoolies' dialogue in the first panel of page 3 was changed for the final (in the storyboards it follows on from the cut sequence from pgs 17-19)
- the boards actually _show_ the Lava Demons taking the magic wands out of the sheathes, as opposed to the final ep where there's just this awkward jumpcut where one sec the ponies have 'em in their mouths, and the next sec the demon's holding the wands
- Lavan vs Spike makes a LOT more sense in the boards. Spike isn't breathing fire *directly on* Lavan and there's a decent amount of space between Spike/the Bushwoolies and the Lava Demons when Lavan does his smokescreen thing to escape. I guess there was some sort of miscommunication cause the final ep has Lavan right in front of them for the whole bit.
- Last two panels of page 32 were cut
- Pages 34-37 cut entirely (apart from Serena's line on page 34, and Lavan/Sludge diag. on pg 37) - Princess ponies bickering again
- IMO storyboard!Lavan has a lot more character, design-wise. IDK exactly what it is but I feel like something got lost in the transition from design to final ep there.
- Page 40-41 - Cut exchange between Lavan/Sludge
- not sure if this was a conscious change or not, but Spike's "now what??" line is specified as him sounding fed-up in the boards (makes sense since the princesses bicker a LOT more here), which isn't really the case for the final ep
- I feel like the bit w/ Fizzy's horn exploding bubbles is clearer in the storyboards
- More cut dialogue on page 57
- Page 60's final panel is missing from the final ep but again, I suspect this WAS animated and it just fell victim to those damned To Be Continued cuts

overall, wow, a lot of little cuts but they make a BIG difference... this ep really suffered for it too. guessing they had budget issues or somesuch. It's fascinating and saddening to see what could've been and where they were limited by TV animation budget, etc restraints (I definitely think that's why Fizzy's bubble stream looks so weird in the final).

Also I have the digital audio for the MLP movie audition reel. This thing is a trip, hope to have it up soon.

*vibrates with excitement*
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 26, 2023, 02:36:16 PM
That is how it was clipped together in the storyboard so I left it. I do have a lot of loose pages I'll put up in the end once I sort out which episodes they go with, mostly character designs and things like freehand storyboards.

Besides the audio reel that should be up soon I have another one coming from the same source. Judging by what he said it's more movie auditions of other characters.

Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on October 26, 2023, 03:10:10 PM
Some interesting differences in the "Somnambula" boards:

Spoiler
(Part 1)
- the storyboards include Babies Cuddles, Lickety, Gusty and Heart Throb in the first shot too
- Page 3 isn't used in the final ep
- anyone got any idea what "N.D. Ponies" means? (On page 3)
- So Soft Twilight and Locket are in the boards, but not the final ep!
- the boards don't specify Somnambula's voice changing along with her appearance
- Probably a coincidence, but I'm amused by one of Score's first lines including the phrase "touchdown" when we now know that was his original name
- page 54 - Salty's line is cut down to just "Blow me down!" in the final ep. Page 55 and most of 56 didn't make it into the final.
- The Brothers' feathering is drawn differently in some panels compared to the final ep (two lines of fur instead of just one? looks like they're wearing little socks or something, lol)
- There's a cute background gag where Baby Sleepy Pie keeps falling asleep, this got cut in the final (it's not pointed out so possibly the animators just overlooked it?). Shame since this is her only appearance in the cartoon, it would've been nice for her to have SOME sort of personality trait.
- Somnambula's much prettier in the final ep! :P Conversely, I actually prefer Kiri's design from the boards (very Snow White-esque!)
- page 79/80 - the close-up of Kiri being crushed didn't make it into the final. The rest of this *technically* made it into the final ep, but the storyboards are a LOT clearer than the final ver - I never really got what was going on here before now. Guessing S&P found it too violent and asked for it to be toned down, but the final ver is just kind of confusing.
- Score's final line "I suddenly have a very bad feeling about this...!" was cut (at least it's not in the version of the ep I have...... most home video releases cut a few seconds out of the end of every ep to remove the "To Be Continued" so this might have been a casualty of that? don't have time to hunt down a copy without the TBC cut right now)

(Part 2)
- Pleasure Island the amusement park looks a bit less empty/abandoned in the boards
(speaking of Pinocchio, I *just* noticed the Monstro-esque building in the background of the final ep. Nice touch.)
- In the boards, the first pony the Big Brothers come across is Ribbon; in the final ep, it's Truly. I get why they changed it, since Truly's more relevant to the story (follows up from the end of part 1 better too), but Ribbon never really did anything in the show so it's sad to see we lost a moment with her here.
- "Clearly this is Heart Throb's personal romance theatre" (I just wanted to quote this lol. hey, is her Salome thing here a Sunset Boulevard ref?)
- Gingerbread has dialogue in the boards but not the final ep
- Score's line "This place is making all the Little Ponies - old!" cut in final

Rhaegar - Page 13 from the Somnambula Part 2 boards is a repeat from Part 1, was that intentional? :o

Re: Baby, It's Cold Outside - SO nice to finally get a confirmed spelling for the little duckling's name. I was never sure if it was meant to be "Sunny" or "Sonny" since both make sense.

Princess Ponies: OMG the wand sheathes. Oh god that's adorable, they should've kept those!!! The final ep just has them awkwardly holding the wands in their mouths a lot (and talking clearly even despite this) - that's always bugged me but I figured, you know, what else could they do - but sheathes are such a clever workaround!

(comparisons, nitpicks, etc)
Spoiler
- the boards specify to reference "The Magic Coins" for the Crystal Desert, which isn't really obvious in the final ep
- in the boards, the princesses are introduced making "hat shapes in their own colours". in the final ep they're making magical versions of their symbols. I wonder why the change?
- cut dialogue:
Serena: Did you hurt yourself?
Tiffany: Well, not hurt, exactly... But it's just awful!

now this one shoulda been kept - I always said Serena was the most sensible of the princesses - it'd be nice to see that early on in the ep.
- Lilac: -a knowledge of every part of one's domain! Especially the growing things!
Second half of line is cut from final.
- page 16 - "Who should be queen?" is just said over a black screen (transition out of song) in the final. the transition is MUCH smoother in the boards but I guess they had to cut it for time?
The storyboards suggest that Washer was working off the idea that the "By Right, I Should Be Queen" song would have the Princess show off their talents in a talent contest-esque setting - the final sequence just has them wander around showing off. I like the final version, but the Princesses-on-stage setup is really cute too.
- Cut sequence (pages 17-19) where the Bushwoolies "vote" for should be the Queen. this explains Spike's "let's let the Bushwoolies decide!" line in the final ep!!! the final ep just cuts straight from that to Lavan, making Spike's line this kind of weird non-sequitur.
between this + the Ghost of P.E. cuts it's looking like eps getting trimmed down to accomodate the songs happened quite often? IIiinteresting.
- Lavan's name is spelt like that here, not "La-van" as one VHS tape spelt it. *nitpicky*
- I never noticed Spike + the Bushwoolies dipping their little feets in the fountain before! in part cuz it's not really animated very clearly. but omg, that's *adorable*.
- the Bushwoolies' dialogue in the first panel of page 3 was changed for the final (in the storyboards it follows on from the cut sequence from pgs 17-19)
- the boards actually _show_ the Lava Demons taking the magic wands out of the sheathes, as opposed to the final ep where there's just this awkward jumpcut where one sec the ponies have 'em in their mouths, and the next sec the demon's holding the wands
- Lavan vs Spike makes a LOT more sense in the boards. Spike isn't breathing fire *directly on* Lavan and there's a decent amount of space between Spike/the Bushwoolies and the Lava Demons when Lavan does his smokescreen thing to escape. I guess there was some sort of miscommunication cause the final ep has Lavan right in front of them for the whole bit.
- Last two panels of page 32 were cut
- Pages 34-37 cut entirely (apart from Serena's line on page 34, and Lavan/Sludge diag. on pg 37) - Princess ponies bickering again
- IMO storyboard!Lavan has a lot more character, design-wise. IDK exactly what it is but I feel like something got lost in the transition from design to final ep there.
- Page 40-41 - Cut exchange between Lavan/Sludge
- not sure if this was a conscious change or not, but Spike's "now what??" line is specified as him sounding fed-up in the boards (makes sense since the princesses bicker a LOT more here), which isn't really the case for the final ep
- I feel like the bit w/ Fizzy's horn exploding bubbles is clearer in the storyboards
- More cut dialogue on page 57
- Page 60's final panel is missing from the final ep but again, I suspect this WAS animated and it just fell victim to those damned To Be Continued cuts

overall, wow, a lot of little cuts but they make a BIG difference... this ep really suffered for it too. guessing they had budget issues or somesuch. It's fascinating and saddening to see what could've been and where they were limited by TV animation budget, etc restraints (I definitely think that's why Fizzy's bubble stream looks so weird in the final).

Also I have the digital audio for the MLP movie audition reel. This thing is a trip, hope to have it up soon.

*vibrates with excitement*

You have to remember: these are the first drafts without the song sequences, which would be boarded later once dialogue recording was complete.  So you've usually got a minute to 90 seconds of material to cut in order to make room (Somnambula Part 1 doesn't, but I suspect the the cliffhanger was bumped up to give more material to Part 2).
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 26, 2023, 03:37:16 PM
That is how it was clipped together in the storyboard so I left it. I do have a lot of loose pages I'll put up in the end once I sort out which episodes they go with, mostly character designs and things like freehand storyboards.

Ohh, that makes sense. LMK if you need any help IDing episodes or anything :)

Besides the audio reel that should be up soon I have another one coming from the same source. Judging by what he said it's more movie auditions of other characters.

omg I'm so excited for these :D :D :D

You have to remember: these are the first drafts without the song sequences, which would be boarded later once dialogue recording was complete.  So you've usually got a minute to 90 seconds of material to cut in order to make room (Somnambula Part 1 doesn't, but I suspect the the cliffhanger was bumped up to give more material to Part 2).

Well yeah, that's what I said:

[...] between this + the Ghost of P.E. cuts it's looking like eps getting trimmed down to accomodate the songs happened quite often? IIiinteresting.

Must've been frustrating boarding episodes and not knowing what would end up getting thrown out when the songs were completed. I had no idea they did it this way :O I assumed they'd at least have a general idea of what would be going on in the song by the time it went to the storyboard stage, enough to board around. That or just leave enough room for the songs to begin with, which doesn't seem to be the case? Fascinating.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 27, 2023, 11:35:40 AM
The Prince And The Ponies and the song Family Family from End of Flutter Valley up.

Post Merge: October 28, 2023, 06:57:40 AM

Would-Be Dragon Slayer storyboard samples up (only 10 pages).


Also the MLP Movie audition is up. The flac is on archive but I've put an mp3 version below if anyone would rather use that.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mbbxyb0wjYEiHyHVgX4GRgcHOhRRR32w/view?usp=sharing

Greeby has kindly provided a rundown for the contents of the audition tape as shown below. There is also an odd line missing from the final movie referencing Tirac. The two songs being sung are not Hasbro ones.

0:00-7:30 Patti Paris: Fizzy, Wind Whistler, Baby Lickety-Split, Shady, Gusty
07:47-17:18 Jonna Lee: Magic Star, Shady, Wind Whistler
17:30-27:41 Diane Pershing: Shady, Gusty, Fizzy (including singing), Baby Lickety-Split (including singing)
28:04-31:51 Deena Freeman: Baby Lickety-Split, Gusty,
32:04-36:37 Patty Dworkin: Bushwhoolie #1, Baby Sundance, Fizzy, Sweet Stuff
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 29, 2023, 06:08:19 AM
End of Flutter Valley Part 3 up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 29, 2023, 01:19:02 PM
omg Sting storyboards <3 <3 <3 <3

It's interesting how there's a general description for the "Dark and Dirty" song here, rather than just "song starts / song ends" like the other boards have.

and that cut line referencing RaMC is fascinating, omg :O I can see why they cut it though, it'd be weird to pretend Fizzy was there (I know the cartoons did tend to play loose with stuff like that, but they usually avoided outright claiming a character was in a story they were absent from, right?) but it's still really exciting to know they did at least toy with having a continuity nod there.
(also, oh Fizzy, only you would describe that whole thing as "a picnic" <3)

I love Patti's nasally, Eeyore-esque Shady voice, that's adorable.

it's fun hearing which voices they had a general idea of from the get-go, i.e. Gusty's nasal whine, WW being English.

still listening through this but I'm fascinated by there being a singing audition for Fizzy - she doesn't sing in the final film. :O (edit: wait, I forgot she sings a line of the "Paradise" song. Well, still.)

edit: I found Lancer's old transcript of the movie if anyone wants to compare the dialogue here to the final:
https://ponyrescuehome.proboards.com/thread/92/little-pony-movie

Turns out most of Fizzy's dialogue was cut for the final!

editedit: it seems like they told the VAs to ad-lib an ending for Fizzy's Tirac line?
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 29, 2023, 02:35:47 PM
Nature's in Harmony song posted.

I do have the lyrics sheet for Dark and Dirty, as well as Family Family.

Greeby and I were talking about how looking at the production dates on these various papers they do not seem to match what is listed on wiki. Once these are all up would someone be interested in assisting me with getting the various wikis out there updated with new information found in these documents? I'm currently deep in a project involving a wiki for an obscure anime and I do not really have the time right now to do a deep dive on this information but want it out there.

He did provide me with a link to the below showing two episodes with release dates information.

https://twitter.com/transformertoys/status/1346183645195853830

Just keeping all this one thread so I can reference it in the future.

There's a second movie reel I was working on today, once Greeby provides me with the names and timestamps it'll be posted too. This one includes auditions for Molly and one of the names on there shocked me in a bad way.

I'd just like to stop for a moment and say how much of a help Greeby is, not only getting the ball rolling on obtaining all this material, but on some unrelated lost media and assistance on getting these formatted, cataloged and also getting the word out in various places when I'm too busy to give it my full attention. It's much appreciated and I thank you again for everything.

The storyboards are easy to figure out but there's still a lot of loose pages I'm working on figuring out what episodes they go to. I'll post the ones I'm completely lost on figuring out once everything is scanned.

I do need help on something though. I have three cells paintings used as backgrounds in the series. Does anybody know where these were used? I'm having issues embedding them, if someone else is able to please do.

https://imgur.com/a/C362x3l
https://imgur.com/a/sqC01e3
https://imgur.com/a/DpwITFp
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 30, 2023, 07:43:02 AM
I thought they might be from Bright Lights since that episode has a lot of night scenes, but they don't appear to be in that one.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 30, 2023, 08:15:47 AM
is the last one definitely MLP? My first thought was Potato Head Kids, but looking at the opening for that again I can't see anything that matches :s

for release dates, I'd just keep in mind that plans can change between production and final release... I think definitely add any new info you have but maybe keep the old/current info somewhere accessible too? I dunno.

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edit: I just checked and the nursery isn't from Catrina. I thought it might be from the scene where Rep kidnaps Baby MD, and the lighting pretty much matches up, but they don't show an exterior shot of the building in that scene :s

That shot DOES ring a bell though, it has the rainbow logo above the door and I don't think that was in most episodes. I'll keep looking.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 30, 2023, 08:57:59 AM
Dark and Dirty up.

I skimmed through Catrina and the movie as well as a few random episodes and the commercials for the nursery and baby buggy but the nursery does not appear to match in any scene. I've also noticed in some scenes the bow color is pink instead of blue. I'd be very curious what this one is from.

Any idea of the forest scene?

Looking on Washer's IMDB listing I should check Moondreamers, Glo Friends, possibly even Charmkins. But I don't see Potato Head Kids listed. There is no text anywhere on this picture to help narrow this one down.

Looking at the top page of the writer's guide (I do not have the rest) there is the following interesting information:

Ages for Megan (13), Danny (10), Molly (7)
Majesty listed in the unicorn section
Peachy listed in the earth section
Cuddles also listed in the earth section as an adult pony.

This will be bundled up with other scans later where you can see it. You mentioned Wildshadow also saw Peachy mentioned, I wonder if they have the rest of this guide.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 30, 2023, 09:18:33 AM
That's so interesting!!  I never thought of it before, but it is weird that Peachy isn't in MLP 'n Friends because I'm pretty sure the Pretty Parlor was still being sold at the time.  Even Baby Sleepy Pie shows up at least once (in the Big Brothers episode).

Thank you for preserving and uploading all this, I'm so happy this history isn't being lost!  Can I ask if the material is from Wendall Washer's estate?  Years ago I emailed him telling him how much I loved RaMC and he very kindly responded and mentioned he had the original recording of the sea pony song.  (Or maybe a demo version?)  I was so sad when I heard he'd passed away and wondered what had become of his studio stuff.  Man, I wish he'd been a guest at a pony convention, I'll bet he would have had such great stories to tell.

I checked Little Piece of Magic and The Revolt of Paradise Estate but the nursery shot doesn't seem to be from those either.  It's such beautiful art, love the long evening shadows on the flowers.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 30, 2023, 09:30:44 AM
Yes, these were purchased from this estate. If anyone is interested in other stuff like Jem or Charmkins (check is IMDB for other stuff he worked on) I can get you in touch with the person that did all negotiations between me and his estate. I know there is a lot of stuff left.

I remember saving his sea pony storyboards when he still had a website up, never imagined I'd one day own them, even though the exact version he posted was not included in this lot.

Only art was included in this lot sadly, the reels I'm uploading are from a different source. If anyone can get a hold of that sea pony reel (or anything else related to the animation production of mlp) I'd love to see it.

You're welcome, I'm big on saving lost media and other things that are easily lost. Anything else that crosses my path will be put up in multiple places for maximum preservation.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 30, 2023, 09:45:47 AM
Whoops, I edited some more into my last post but it didn't tell me there'd been new posts since. I'll repost it in a new post:

okay the ep I had in mind for the Lullaby Nursery BG was Revolt of Paradise Estate, but I checked and it's not that one.
I just went through the movie since it's captioned "Pony Movie", but I couldn't find any similar shots there, either - the only scene that had that sort of lighting was the one at Megan's Place.

I'm hoping the forest scene is from the same episode as the Nursery shot - I was focusing on the Nursery BG atm in the hopes that would be easier to ID, but I'm stumped right now :/

Here are some old posts from Wildshadow:
MLP Movie Press Kit https://mlparena.com/index.php?topic=378010.msg1529115;topicseen#msg1529115
Writer's Guide etc https://mlparena.com/index.php?topic=294582.msg171520#msg171520

The second thread has most of the stuff I remember her posting.

I'm so sad no conventions ever asked Wendell Washer as a guest. :( I remember you sharing that story before LadyM, I think he'd have been a great guest.

I strongly suspect Peachy was going to be in RaMC and then got turned into the "First Born" rainbow pony partway through production... it'd explain why she has Twinkles, anyway.

edit: Rhaegar + Greeby - Just wanted to again give a big THANK YOU to you two!! You're doing the lord's work here, I never thought we'd have anything like this for MLP, especially not so neatly organized and preserved. Thank you both so much!!!

edit 2: Just ran through my folder of MLP screenshots, couldn't find any leads though :/ End of Flutter Valley has similar lighting/skylines but I don't remember a forest scene like that, and I'm pretty sure Lullaby Nursery isn't in that one. Hmmm.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on October 30, 2023, 10:54:18 AM
Dark and Dirty up.

I skimmed through Catrina and the movie as well as a few random episodes and the commercials for the nursery and baby buggy but the nursery does not appear to match in any scene. I've also noticed in some scenes the bow color is pink instead of blue. I'd be very curious what this one is from.

Any idea of the forest scene?

Looking on Washer's IMDB listing I should check Moondreamers, Glo Friends, possibly even Charmkins. But I don't see Potato Head Kids listed. There is no text anywhere on this picture to help narrow this one down.

Looking at the top page of the writer's guide (I do not have the rest) there is the following interesting information:

Ages for Megan (13), Danny (10), Molly (7)
Majesty listed in the unicorn section
Peachy listed in the earth section
Cuddles also listed in the earth section as an adult pony.

This will be bundled up with other scans later where you can see it. You mentioned Wildshadow also saw Peachy mentioned, I wonder if they have the rest of this guide.

Thing to note with imdb, because MLP N Friends had composite credits for all four shows in the anthology, some folks may be credited for shows they were never a part of.  Just to give an example, six story editors are listed: Martin Pasko and Rebecca Parr were on MLP, John Semper and Cynthia Friedlob were on Moondreamers and I'm guessing it was Michael Reaves and Brynne Stephens on Potato Head Kids (Doug Booth did Glo Friends, but he is credited in his producer capacity).  But the credits do not make that distinction clear.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 30, 2023, 01:14:12 PM
Thing to note with imdb, because MLP N Friends had composite credits for all four shows in the anthology, some folks may be credited for shows they were never a part of.  Just to give an example, six story editors are listed: Martin Pasko and Rebecca Parr were on MLP, John Semper and Cynthia Friedlob were on Moondreamers and I'm guessing it was Michael Reaves and Brynne Stephens on Potato Head Kids (Doug Booth did Glo Friends, but he is credited in his producer capacity).  But the credits do not make that distinction clear.

Oh man I didn't even consider that D:

Have I mentioned yet how glad I am that (most) modern cartoons credit things properly? x)

I just quickly skimmed through the Charmkins special and I think we can probably rule that out for the third BG.. it had some similar backgrounds but I couldn't find an exact match. I dunno, I could definitely be wrong, but that just doesn't look quite MLP to me, the colour palette and style of buildings looks different to me. I suppose it could be from one of the commercials since they had different animation styles? That one's really bugging me. It's so cute too. and the other two are just stunning - G1 really had some gorgeous backgrounds.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 31, 2023, 10:47:51 AM
No luck yet on my end looking for the origins of those cels.

End of Flutter Valley Part 4 up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 31, 2023, 11:15:56 AM
Ohh thank you!! This is one of my favourite parts, I love this ep :lovey:

"A dozen or so SQUEAKY FURBOBS"

I just noticed one of the Bushwoolies is called "Pleaser" here. Another early name? :o In the final ep only Hugster/Chumster/Wishful are named in dialogue... I wonder who Pleaser was renamed to. Friendly?

As an aside, I love how this ep actually tried to give the Bushwoolies individual personalities/characters, it's weird how it's the only ep that really did that though... Especially since they're meant to be the Princess Bushwoolies (same names, at least) but then come the Princess Pony ep they've got no personalities, names, etc :/

Also the Furbobs have a lottttt more limbs in the boards, lol. Maybe simplified down to make them easier to animate?
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on October 31, 2023, 11:32:33 AM
Just a fun little three pages I've spotlighted on my tumblr: the use of comic book sound effects on Ghost Of Paradise Estate: https://www.tumblr.com/sunbowmarvelarchive/732718608574283776/my-little-pony-n-friends-1986?source=share

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Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on October 31, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
I do have a color chart here with a few names:

https://www.tumblr.com/yanchamisc/709794377599500288/my-little-pony-n-friends-g1-bushwoolie-color?source=share

Though in the attitude pages they are only listed as #1, #2, etc.


Those furbobs remind me of Grubby from Teddy Ruxpin.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on October 31, 2023, 12:22:48 PM
Oh I hadn't seen those models before! Curiouser and curiouser, that one has the fourth Bushwoolie labelled as "Catcher". another new name! and I just checked and it looks like the little dude got cut for the final anyway, EoFV only uses the first 3 (at least according to my old notes... Catcher's in Tambelon though).

I definitely feel like there's a story here. They only used those particular Bushwoolie colours/models in a few eps (and the opening), the names and personalities were used in _one_ episode, one of them's apparently gone through two names and neither match any of the Princess Bushwoolies, and none of them look at all like the Princess attendants anyway. What the heck was going on behind the scenes regarding the Bushwoolies?!?
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on November 01, 2023, 05:00:43 AM
Flutter Valley part 9 up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Ponyfan on November 01, 2023, 06:38:01 AM
is the last one definitely MLP? My first thought was Potato Head Kids, but looking at the opening for that again I can't see anything that matches :s

for release dates, I'd just keep in mind that plans can change between production and final release... I think definitely add any new info you have but maybe keep the old/current info somewhere accessible too? I dunno.

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edit: I just checked and the nursery isn't from Catrina. I thought it might be from the scene where Rep kidnaps Baby MD, and the lighting pretty much matches up, but they don't show an exterior shot of the building in that scene :s

That shot DOES ring a bell though, it has the rainbow logo above the door and I don't think that was in most episodes. I'll keep looking.


Could that last cell be early concept art of Flutter Valley when they show the flutter ponies hiding in their homes when Megan and the others first arrive?


Ponyfan
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on November 02, 2023, 06:21:08 AM
Return of Tambelon Part 4 up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on November 03, 2023, 06:33:01 PM
In addition to the PDFs on the main show page, I'm nearly finished putting up storyboard galleries for all sets at: https://sunbowmarvelarchive.blogspot.com/p/storyboard-viewing-gallery.html
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on November 03, 2023, 06:57:13 PM
Could that last cell be early concept art of Flutter Valley when they show the flutter ponies hiding in their homes when Megan and the others first arrive?


Ponyfan

oooh, I could see that being the case :o They do look similar to the little flutter houses. It being concept art would explain the slightly different style too.

Very excited to check out the newest storyboards whenever I get a spare five mins :D

Greeby - the galleries are amazing!!
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on November 04, 2023, 06:03:20 AM
MLP the Movie auditions 2 is up.

Flac is on archive, mp3 also available on the google drive link below:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hIdEFYu8xzJVvsQaAfHyROrNuSlBQgmg/view?usp=sharing

Contains:


0:00-7:15 Susan Blu: Baby Sundance, Buttons, Fizzy, Gusty, Magic Star, Morning Glory, Rosedust, Shady, Sweet Stuff, Wind Whistler
7:29-10:25 Judy Strangis: Buttons, Fizzy, Gusty, Morning Glory, Wind Whistler
10:37-13:07 Kathy Wagner: Molly
13:17-17:07 Elizabeth Fraser: Molly
17:23-19:27 Keri Houlihan: Molly
19:44-22:34 Judith Barsi: Molly
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on November 04, 2023, 02:11:10 PM
MLP the Movie auditions 2 is up.

Flac is on archive, mp3 also available on the google drive link below:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hIdEFYu8xzJVvsQaAfHyROrNuSlBQgmg/view?usp=sharing

This link isn't working - it says I need access?
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on November 04, 2023, 02:28:41 PM
Try now.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on November 04, 2023, 06:46:12 PM
Working now, thank you! <3

Oh man hearing Judith Barsi's audition hit hard. ;_;

Rosedust's "we wish only to be left alone" line is a bit longer here and there's a couple more Molly lines - also Fizzy's Tirac line is still in there - otherwise there's no significant differences between this and the final dialogue.

edit: omg omg the Flutter Valley pt 9 boards have some more flirting between Morning Glory and Sting that got cut from the final version
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also a v. cute sequence with the flutters + Sting washing the honey off their wings, probably cut to fit the song in

the Tambelon boards are such a delight! Love the art style. And I'm so thrilled we have the boards for one of the best songs in the show too ^^
Also damn keeping a track of all the characters in this one must've been a nightmare.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on November 07, 2023, 11:05:25 AM
Having issues embedding these but the below three post-its were attached to one of the storyboards. I won't put putting these on archive so grab them here if you want them.

https://imgur.com/a/V5IJUdN
https://imgur.com/a/YBhUtt5
https://imgur.com/a/kuBi0CC

That's all the storyboards. Next will be attitudes, commercials and a large quantity of misc designs and other things. I just need to figure out what episodes they all came from.

I also have a third and final (for now) movie audition reel including Danny you'll see at some point.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on November 07, 2023, 01:15:19 PM
omg Powerpuff Megan XD
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on November 10, 2023, 05:14:01 AM
Four different types of model sheets uploaded, including many minor characters and how to draw ponies. These would probably be very useful to artists.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on November 10, 2023, 08:10:06 AM
omg these model sheets are amazing *w* thanks!!

confirmed spelling for Habit the rabbit!

Some of the pony expressions remind me of the G2 style, a little bit. Interesting.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: TarkanDragon on December 03, 2023, 03:47:25 AM
Honestly after looking at these I pray and hope of trying to get the hands of the Spike's search storyboard and sheets.

Maybe there's something more that we didn't get a chance to see.
Also I've been practicing a lot about Sunbow's style at one point and this really helped reguardless.

Thank you and keep me updated if there's anything new I'm really hyped about these. And maybe there would be templates as well.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on December 20, 2023, 03:23:22 PM
To cap off the year, I've put the 185 page model sheet pack into one gallery at: https://sunbowmarvelarchive.blogspot.com/p/my-little-pony-n-friends-model-sheet.html
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: 2003pony on December 25, 2023, 05:14:25 PM
Thank you so much for making them available, I was excited and wanted to see them all!! :lol: :frolic: :biggrin:
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: lalalei2001 on December 26, 2023, 04:01:08 AM
This is an amazing resource! I just KNEW those hot springs in the End of Flutter Valley were how they got the honey off their wings!
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on December 27, 2023, 05:10:48 AM
Sorry for the delay but it's ben crazy irl these last few months, there is more material coming.

Size comparision chart for Rescue at Midnight Castle up on archive.

Things of interest include spellings (Tee-Jay, Tirac, Scorpan) and Twinkles mentioned by name, though no sign of either First Born or Peachy.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on December 27, 2023, 08:52:14 AM
No prob, take as much time as you need, it's worth the wait :)

Oh wow - Blossom is part of the lineup here!! She was never in the cartoon!

The plot thickens... damn maybe SHE was the one that got turned into First Born?? which would still be weird since Blossom was never sold with Twinkles... unless she was meant to be originally? I remember a thread a while ago, I was just re-reading it recently... this (https://mlparena.com/index.php?topic=403888.msg1887026#msg1887026) one, where there was a bit of talk about the parlour along those lines. Hmmm.

Curiouser and curiouser...
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on December 28, 2023, 05:54:42 AM
Uploaded that confusing Lullabye Nursery cel that we can't figure out the origins of.

Also uploaded stuff for the newborn twins commercial, which I think is for this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJcMK4TNbfM
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on December 28, 2023, 07:21:57 AM
so much cool stuff here :)
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on December 28, 2023, 08:50:25 AM
Oh these are so CUTE :lovey: Sooo much cuter than their designs from the cartoon proper, lol.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: lalalei2001 on December 28, 2023, 07:42:23 PM
I found more G1 stuff on this forum and thread, including stuff from the Writers' Bible! https://www.mlptp.net/index.php?threads/g1-animation-items-picture-heavy.95625/

Stuff it mentions are unmade characters like Snow Ponies and Little Burros, and personality traits for Paradise and North Star.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on December 29, 2023, 07:37:58 AM
Yeah, I think Wildshadow's thread on here was linked earlier in the thread ^^

Personally I think the Snow Ponies/Little Burros thing was just an example they made up for the writers guide (like, "we can leave this open for the next thing Hasbro might ask us to add into the show on the fly"), rather than something Hasbro actually planned to do. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on December 29, 2023, 02:01:55 PM
Paradise Estate and first tooth baby pony commercial production art uploaded.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on December 30, 2023, 07:59:12 AM
Oh cute! <3

Interesting that Baby Quackers is listed as "Baby Quacker" (no "s"), wonder if that explains why they tended to leave off the S in the cartoon or if it's just a coincidence?
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on January 02, 2024, 07:30:45 PM
As of this week, it's officially 40 years of MLP on TV

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Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Crystal-Sushi on February 05, 2024, 03:42:07 AM
OH MY GOODNESS THANKYOU! This is incredible, and will help a future animation project immensely! :heart:
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on March 15, 2024, 02:15:00 PM
Michael Swanigan, who storyboarded on many a Marvel show in the 80s, has added MLP to his rotation of model sheet/storyboard books.  While the models are already covered by what Rhaegar has made available, there does appear to be storyboards from Revolt of Paradise Estate: https://www.ebay.com/itm/116099265391
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Taffeta on March 15, 2024, 02:20:57 PM
Those sketches are super nostalgic. I didn't watch much MLP tv stuff as a kid, but I had Ice Cream Wars and Revolt of PE on a vhs tape and I watched that a lot. I liked Revolt of PE especially.

Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on March 16, 2024, 10:23:42 AM
Ooh, nice. I like the art style, very fluid.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on April 07, 2024, 10:08:16 AM
Sorry for the delay (family in and out of the hospital) but I've uploaded pages from Baby It's Cold Outside. More coming, including at least one more reel.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on April 08, 2024, 03:49:58 PM
Also up is designs and sketches for Flight to Cloud Castle.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on April 10, 2024, 03:24:16 PM
MLP Movie auditions #3 reel uploaded. Contents:

0:00-2:07 Denise Ryland: Morning Glory, Rosedust, Fizzy
2:08-3:40 Mia Martina: Gusty, Baby Sundance, Fizzy
3:41-5:57 Barbara Berry: Magic Star, Fizzy, Baby Sundance, Rosedust, Morning Glory
5:58-7:44 Barbara Sammeth: Wind Whistler, Magic Star, Baby Sundance
7:45-9:58 Lauri Fraser: Gusty, Fizzy, Baby Sundance, Buttons
9:59-11:38 Carol Baxter: Sweet Stuff, Wind Whistler, Magic Star
11:39-14:22 Matt Shakman: Danny
14:23-18:35 Russi Taylor: Rosedust 

https://archive.org/details/my-little-pony-auditions-3

Coming up soon is the unicorn audition reel. But first more drawings.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on April 10, 2024, 04:21:53 PM
Ooooh I can't wait to listen to those auditions tomorrow <3

Still downloading the Baby sketches to look at (darn slow Wayback Machine :shakefist:), but oooooh, the Cloud Castle character lineup has some interesting things:

- the ponies are listed as Heart Throb, Locket and TAFFY?!? Taffy never appeared in the cartoon?! :O In the actual ep it's So Soft Twilight. Could just be that they wrote the wrong name since the thumbnail clearly shows "Taffy" as a pegasus (wouldn't make sense for an earth pony to be in this story anyway), but that they knew the name in the first place suggests maybe she was supposed to show up in the cartoon at some point... Hmmm!

- the note "SONG" next to a pic of Garth and Ariel suggests there WAS meant to be a song in Part 2! Cloud Castle pt 1 has a song, but pt 2 is one of only two episodes without a song (Tambelon pt 3 being the other), I know there's been a lot of debate on here about if this one was meant to have a song and if so, what it would've been... This isn't exactly concrete info but it's definitely interesting :o

Also I forgot how cute Ferdinand and Andrew are! I like their little faces. So goofy and cute.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on April 10, 2024, 04:24:00 PM
Taffy almost made it. Queued up on my tumblr (a few are already up) are some very interesting pictures from ended ebay auctions. I wasn't able to win any of them sadly. You'll see them all over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on April 11, 2024, 08:13:48 AM
Unfortunately I can't access your Tumblr reliably - if I scroll too far down it starts asking me to log in :( Seems to be some new thing they've added in for blogs that are tumblr.com/username instead of username.tumblr.com, weird site... But I did manage to get it to work long enough to see the model sheets of Taffy and Sweet Stuff, ooooh! The SS one could be for the TAF advert I guess? But Taffy, ooh :O

Love the Baby It's Cold Outside sketches, omg they're so fluid and full of character! The sketch page of Charlton is wonderful.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on April 11, 2024, 08:40:41 AM
Here's the direct links to them. I guess I'll put them in the thread for easy access as they appear. If someone wants to upload and link these elsewhere be my guest.

https://www.tumblr.com/yanchamisc/747207322692157440/sweet-tooth-model-sheet-source?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/yanchamisc/747297898195304448/taffy-model-sheet-source?source=share

Greeby also put up a storyboard for Revolt of Paradise Estate:

https://sunbowmarvelarchive.blogspot.com/2024/04/my-little-pony-revolt-of-paradise.html


I've put up some random pages from Return of Tambelon. More coming as I find the time, including two reels.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on April 12, 2024, 08:16:04 AM
6 minutes of rapid-fire auditions for the Bushwoolies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zTSeH0E7eU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zTSeH0E7eU)
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on April 13, 2024, 07:58:26 AM
super cool that you have this resource up for us all to admire!  Thank you!
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on April 25, 2024, 09:35:33 AM
listening to the audition reel and omg I can't get over "Bushywushies", that's such a cute mispronunciation ;A;
That Tirac line still fascinates me though. I think it's probably better that they didn't use it (it'd be too confusing out of context) but I just love that at some point they did consider calling back to RaMC.

That Danny dialogue like "did you ever oonsider making a record?" etc, that wasn't in the final film right? I don't remember it - I wonder what the context is. sounds like he's talking to some goons or something?

Also wow I'm glad they went with Russi for Rosedust/Morning Glory. She had the real knack of doing soft, cutesy voices without them being too cloying/obnoxious. Gah, I miss her ;_; The soft way she asks the director to go through it with her, omg. Interesting how her "take 4" voice for Rosedust is basically Morning Glory, I wonder when they switched the two's voices around. (edit: woop I posted while still listening, I hadn't gotten to the point where they outright said "we could use these for Morning Glory or Rosedust" yet. Fascinating :O )

Thanks again for sharing these! It's such a treat to get to hear this part of the process.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on July 03, 2024, 10:09:04 AM
I still have more 1986 series stuff to upload but today please enjoy the script from the 1992 MLP Tales episode Shop Talk. I haven't gone through it at all, just scanned, so no idea if anything might be different inside. This was an original copy signed by the writer of the script, Douglas Booth.

https://archive.org/details/my-little-pony-tales-ep-10-shop-talk-script
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Taffeta on July 03, 2024, 01:11:38 PM
I still have more 1986 series stuff to upload but today please enjoy the script from the 1992 MLP Tales episode Shop Talk. I haven't gone through it at all, just scanned, so no idea if anything might be different inside. This was an original copy signed by the writer of the script, Douglas Booth.

https://archive.org/details/my-little-pony-tales-ep-10-shop-talk-script

When I have some time, I'll definitely be checking that out :)

I have a few Jem scripts and they do have quite significant differences from the actual produced episodes, so it will be interesting to see what might be in/out compared to the final production.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on July 03, 2024, 05:39:12 PM
I still have more 1986 series stuff to upload but today please enjoy the script from the 1992 MLP Tales episode Shop Talk. I haven't gone through it at all, just scanned, so no idea if anything might be different inside. This was an original copy signed by the writer of the script, Douglas Booth.

https://archive.org/details/my-little-pony-tales-ep-10-shop-talk-script

When I have some time, I'll definitely be checking that out :)

I have a few Jem scripts and they do have quite significant differences from the actual produced episodes, so it will be interesting to see what might be in/out compared to the final production.

Which episodes would these be?  Because after going through all the MLP N Friends material and seeing how much had to be cut to make room for the songs, I'm interested in how it worked with Jem.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Taffeta on July 05, 2024, 04:30:21 AM
I still have more 1986 series stuff to upload but today please enjoy the script from the 1992 MLP Tales episode Shop Talk. I haven't gone through it at all, just scanned, so no idea if anything might be different inside. This was an original copy signed by the writer of the script, Douglas Booth.

https://archive.org/details/my-little-pony-tales-ep-10-shop-talk-script

When I have some time, I'll definitely be checking that out :)

I have a few Jem scripts and they do have quite significant differences from the actual produced episodes, so it will be interesting to see what might be in/out compared to the final production.

Which episodes would these be?  Because after going through all the MLP N Friends material and seeing how much had to be cut to make room for the songs, I'm interested in how it worked with Jem.

Erm, Britrock, The Battle of the Bands 1 and 2...and a couple of others but I can't remember which.

Things I remember (bear in mind I've not looked at them in a while) were cut songs (Queen of R&R in Britrock), dialogue changes and Jetta first appearing in the notes of Battle of the Bands with a guitar...bass guitar I think, not a saxophone.

There's also a theory that Love's Not Easy was a song meant to be in the episode Island of Deception, because it's the only later season song to appear on a doll cassette, and that episode only has 2 songs. I don't have the script for that one though.

I am assuming similar happened with MLP. There are those different versions, with cut intro sections where it's made multipart that I remember (not that I have paid massive attention to MLP & Friends, but I do remember Revolt of PE had this).

Jem also had the first 5 episodes extended after Truly Outrageous. I also don't have scripts for those, but comparing the individual eps to TO! do give some idea of that editing and amending process.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: greeby on July 05, 2024, 06:46:48 AM
Love's Not Easy was storyboarded for Island of Deception by comics legend Romeo Tanghal. The boards were coloured and turned into an animatic for Jemcon some years back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbjQ_D0zas&pp=ygUTSmVtIExvdmUncyBOb3QgRWFzeQ%3D%3D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbjQ_D0zas&pp=ygUTSmVtIExvdmUncyBOb3QgRWFzeQ%3D%3D)
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Taffeta on July 05, 2024, 10:49:43 AM
Love's Not Easy was storyboarded for Island of Deception by comics legend Romeo Tanghal. The boards were coloured and turned into an animatic for Jemcon some years back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbjQ_D0zas&pp=ygUTSmVtIExvdmUncyBOb3QgRWFzeQ%3D%3D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbjQ_D0zas&pp=ygUTSmVtIExvdmUncyBOb3QgRWFzeQ%3D%3D)

Interesting to know :) My involvement in discussions on this are about 15 years old as I haven't been actively in the Jem community for a long time. It's good to know that assumption was correct.

Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Ponyfan on July 05, 2024, 03:54:25 PM
Love's Not Easy was storyboarded for Island of Deception by comics legend Romeo Tanghal. The boards were coloured and turned into an animatic for Jemcon some years back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbjQ_D0zas&pp=ygUTSmVtIExvdmUncyBOb3QgRWFzeQ%3D%3D (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbjQ_D0zas&pp=ygUTSmVtIExvdmUncyBOb3QgRWFzeQ%3D%3D)



That was really interesting. :)   I had "Island of Deception"  "Hot Time in Hawaii" and The "Talent Search" episodes on VHS growing up.  It was a little strange watching the entire series for the first time and only have those episodes as references points.   

There used to be a website that detailed all of the differences between Truly Outrageous and the first five episodes version.  I know the songs are longer in Rhino's set of those first five than they are in Shout version. 

Here's two version of the recap from "Kimber's Rebellion"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmWNQMH-row

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatgLfU4AHE



Ponyfan

Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Ainadae on July 05, 2024, 05:39:49 PM
@Rhaegar, just wanted to unlurk long enough to thank you for sharing all of this. This is such an unbelievable treasure trove of nostalgia! I cannot wait to show my best friend that all of this exists--there is a weekend of obsessing over character models and storyboards in our future! 
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on July 06, 2024, 01:36:45 PM
You're welcome! I just want this stuff preserved online forever. I've been very very busy on a major wiki project for a different fandom but hopefully soon I can find some time to upload some more. I have (two?) auditions, the big brothers and princess pony commercials and misc stuff from various episodes I'm having trouble identifying. And who knows what else comes across my path but anything that does you will all get free access to.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on July 07, 2024, 08:16:03 AM
Thanks again for all of this, Rhaegar, and Greeby for your site too :lovey:

Different vers of MLP - All of the multi-part MLP n Friends eps originally aired with recaps at the start and ended with a "To Be Continued" card. All of these (except one TBC, I'm blanking on which ep it's in off the top of my head though) were cut for all home video releases, except the Australian DVDs which do have most (but not all) of them intact. Oddly the end of "The Magic Coins" part 4 was snipped for DVDs too, cutting off the end of the "Friends" song. And of course there's the songs cut from the original two specials, and the whole Glass Princess "Hurry" thing. They're the only version differences I know about re: MLP though.

That's really interesting about that Jem ep, thanks for sharing that too! I wish we had something like that for (MLP) Tambelon part 3, I'm sure they cut a song from that one...
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on July 08, 2024, 03:31:21 PM
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Oh good I managed to get the embeded pictures working. Up on archive.org is a mish mash of End of Flutter Valley related loose pages, including this one. I love Aahg so much.  :inlove:
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Carrehz on July 10, 2024, 07:34:33 AM
Oh these are amazing!!! :lovey: :lovey: omg all the Sting art <333

Every time you post anything relating to the songs from this ep, I get them in my head all over again xD Omg that sheet with notes on the "Family, Family" sequence is amazing though!! I love stuff like this, it's so fascinating! and the thumbnails oh gosh XD the thumbs of Hydia are killing me omg

Who's the cool wizard character though? I don't recognize him :o
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: Rhaegar on July 10, 2024, 03:34:50 PM
Could be from something else, I've found Dungeons & Dragons stuff mixed in here. I'm certain I've mixed up a few of these.

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Would Be Dragon Slayer designs and sketches up.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: sweetstuff85 on July 30, 2024, 11:56:11 PM
I just listen to the auditions #3 and the bushwoolies. That was so fun.

It wild how no one else came close to sounding as regal as Russi Taylor did for Rosedust.

Russi Taylor also did lots of voices on the simspons most notably Martin. Which when I watch older episodes of the simpsons. (Seasons 1-9 or so) I hear rosedust from time to time. Makes me smile.
Title: Re: 80s MLP Animation Production Material
Post by: TarkanDragon on October 06, 2024, 12:59:39 AM
Could be from something else, I've found Dungeons & Dragons stuff mixed in here. I'm certain I've mixed up a few of these.

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Would Be Dragon Slayer designs and sketches up.

Thought I'd bring this up in also order to keep this topic alive but then again I do believe that D&D would go too well with MLP...

Shame that it was never made it into something official. Although as D&D is weird as it seems, I kinda imagine the series is an in-universe of D&D since the similarities strike up.

Also I'm still waiting for any updates for story boards and model sheets. The most that I'm waiting for is the Spike's Search one since aside from the Dragonslayer one we haven't found anything related to Spike's Search yet.

I wish you guys luck if any.
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