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Title: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Safflower on March 27, 2020, 02:13:15 PM
Sometimes there just isn't a thread for them. What have been your off topic pony thoughts recently?

I've noticed that for some G1 white ponies, the whites of their eyes aren't actually painted. So when they discolor, the white part of their eyes turns brown/yellow. I do not like the look.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on March 27, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
This made me have to get up and check my white ponies to see...most of them are painted, but I don't think my Sugarberry's are. Thankfully she is still fairly white! That's weird.

My random thought is: why, why, WHY did so many children cut the forelocks off of their ponies?!? Who on earth would think that would make them look better? I've seen so many ponies that are in good shape except for an annoying chopped-off forelock. Like, I could rehair that, but if I don't already have that color of hair laying around, is it really worth the expense and trouble? Just one of my pony pet peeves...  :yikes:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on March 27, 2020, 03:30:11 PM
I don't know but I've re-haired one or two forelocks in my time as it's just nice to right a wrong. I tend to keep ponies I've fixed and sell the more original condition ones because they don't look any different on the shelf and are harder to re home.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 27, 2020, 04:10:22 PM
I don't know but I've re-haired one or two forelocks in my time as it's just nice to right a wrong. I tend to keep ponies I've fixed and sell the more original condition ones because they don't look any different on the shelf and are harder to re home.

You definitely did a great job on little Ember :)

I wondered how many ponies share names with plants. Today I planted a geum called Lemon Drops' into my garden...
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Safflower on March 27, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
Yeah, cut forelocks always make me confused. Personally, quite a few of my ponies have one plug of hair cut off about halfway through at the base of their manes. I have no idea why a child would do that - maybe the episode where the ponies hair got cut off and grew back made them want to see but they were cautious? Or as a way to tell doubles owned by siblings apart?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on March 27, 2020, 06:35:23 PM
My Blue Belle came wi a cut fringe & featured in a story like that. As a result I made her a painter & claimed the messy fringe cut was due to getting paint in her fringe!!!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Shaz on March 28, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
I think I've heard that some kids cut their ponies' forelocks so the pony could see better? Which always makes me wonder if one day there will be a lot of those G4 Sia ponies in charity shops with their fringes removed.

My random pony thought: I've been filling in a G4 sticker book and I somehow only just noticed that G4 ponies' hooves are actually smaller than their eyes o_O Am I the only one who finds this weird?!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on March 28, 2020, 03:44:29 AM
I don't know but I've re-haired one or two forelocks in my time as it's just nice to right a wrong. I tend to keep ponies I've fixed and sell the more original condition ones because they don't look any different on the shelf and are harder to re home.

You definitely did a great job on little Ember :)

I wondered how many ponies share names with plants. Today I planted a geum called Lemon Drops' into my garden...

Aaaah! Such a great idea! Ponies and plants. That is such a dreamily pretty Geum. My Favourite in Savanna Sunset, is that also a pony?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on March 28, 2020, 04:48:02 AM
I don't know but I've re-haired one or two forelocks in my time as it's just nice to right a wrong. I tend to keep ponies I've fixed and sell the more original condition ones because they don't look any different on the shelf and are harder to re home.

You definitely did a great job on little Ember :)

I wondered how many ponies share names with plants. Today I planted a geum called Lemon Drops' into my garden...

Aaaah! Such a great idea! Ponies and plants. That is such a dreamily pretty Geum. My Favourite in Savanna Sunset, is that also a pony?
Savannah Sage is
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 28, 2020, 06:05:30 AM
Yeah, close, but not quite :D (It should be a pony though).

I like geums but this is the first time for me planting this one, it looks very delicate and pretty, though. And yellow, which seems appropriate xD.

Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Safflower on March 28, 2020, 08:20:18 AM
I've also noticed the eyes on the Dancing Butterflies pose are bigger than other molds.

Plant ponies would make a lovely set :D

I think I've heard that some kids cut their ponies' forelocks so the pony could see better? Which always makes me wonder if one day there will be a lot of those G4 Sia ponies in charity shops with their fringes removed.

My random pony thought: I've been filling in a G4 sticker book and I somehow only just noticed that G4 ponies' hooves are actually smaller than their eyes o_O Am I the only one who finds this weird?!
Hm, we might. I haven't seen a lot of G4s in thrift stores, but I'm sure they will start popping up more as time progresses.

Yeah eyes bigger than hooves are quite weird o.o Makes me wonder about the eye to hoof size ratio for all gens. G1 eyes are small compared to their hooves, G2 a little less, G3 is around the same as G1, and G4 is... yeah.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on March 28, 2020, 09:57:39 AM

Savannah Sage is

And Sunset Shimmer :D
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Bright_Glow on March 28, 2020, 01:49:34 PM
Imaging multi-generation nurs ponies like the adult version of Sweetheart (from MLP Tales) are fighting aganist covid-19.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Broken Irishwoman on March 29, 2020, 12:57:52 PM
I wish this was a sticky thread. :D I often have random pony thoughts that I can't really post in any other topics!


Man, I love the smell of my pony box. It smells like sweet second hand ponies and conditioner (there's a shock, it's exactly what's in the box :P ), which smells like happiness. :happy:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 29, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
Welcome to the next meeting of Pony Sniffer's Anonymous. :silly:

 I don't get the pony smell thing. I either smell something akin to pool floatie plastic, or occasionally rust/mildew/cigarette smoke.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on March 29, 2020, 02:57:35 PM
I like the old plastic scent of G1 ponies, it has a really comfy vibe to it, plus one of my ponies arrived with her mane and tail cleaned with something that smelled really nice but now it's gone :(
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Safflower on March 29, 2020, 04:15:47 PM
I do love pony smell! My first three G1s definitely have it, but it depends with my other ponies. A lot of them came in a lot together and have this smokey/musty scent, but others smell like old vanilla-ey plastic and it's very nice. Pony smell is so distinct though. Did we ever come to a consensus on what exactly it is??
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on March 29, 2020, 06:01:15 PM
Pony smell is so distinct though. Did we ever come to a consensus on what exactly it is??

I think there was one topic like that: http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,397484.0.html
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SunPony on March 29, 2020, 07:15:51 PM
I think I saw a suggestion somewhere that G1s had a tiiiny bit of vanillin (artificial vanilla scent) incorporated in the plastic.  Personally i don't think they smell exactly like vanilla, but maybe it is just a hint of it?  I don't know.  Does anyone have any similar-era, similar-texture toys to compare to?  Like fakies, or glo-worms or something?  If it is plasticizer, you would think such similar toys would have the same scent.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Broken Irishwoman on March 30, 2020, 11:17:34 AM
Welcome to the next meeting of Pony Sniffer's Anonymous. :silly:

 I don't get the pony smell thing. I either smell something akin to pool floatie plastic, or occasionally rust/mildew/cigarette smoke.

Thank you! I'm a proud member already. XD

I remember the thread about that magical pony smell. I'm not entirely sure what the smell is either, but it is heavenly. :P For me it's that dusty, sweet second hand smell combined with the conditioner I use. As for new ponies, I'm positive that we had a different smell here. Because people keep mentioning a vanilla-like scent, and the ponies I got new from the store always had a very strong chemical smell. Which by the way I love as well, for obvious reasons. :P
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: brightberry on March 30, 2020, 12:44:11 PM
I remember brand new pony smell.  It brought out all the feels.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: FernMariposa919 on April 15, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
Okay, I have a random pony thought:

Did you ever have a pony (or two) as a kid and realized that during your childhood you were calling it by a different name, either because a) you didn't know how to pronounce its name, or b) you just went through your entire childhood thinking that was its name and only just now, as an adult, realized it had an entirely different name?  :P I can give you an example for each one:

I had the perfume puff pony, Dainty Dahlia. I got the "Dainty" part right. However, my young brain saw "Dahlia" as "Delilah" and she was always "Dainty Delilah" to me.  :P

I had Shoreline and it was only a few years ago when I was looking through all the different ponies on Ponyland Press and I came across her and immediately recognized her. I have fond memories of picking her out at the store, then coming home and immediately opening her and taking her outside to watch her hair change color. (Luckily, it was a sunny day that day!) However….I almost did a double take when I saw that her name was “Shoreline” because I remembered her as “Sunshine”. This was probably for two (obvious) reasons: she literally had a bunch of suns (wearing sunglasses!) as  her symbol, so can you blame me for remembering her name as “Sunshine?”   :biggrin: Also, she was part of the Sunshine ponies so I must have gotten that mixed up and remembered it as her name.

I also went through my entire life thinking I had one pony, when in actuality I had a completely different pony! Let me tell you the story:

I must have been five or six when I received a pony in the mail. It was a blue baby pony with blue hair and no symbol and it came in a small box. Of course I was thrilled to get it and that’s really all I remember: just the excitement of opening a small box to find a pony in there. I don’t remember if it came with any papers telling me what the pony’s name was or anything like that. All my life, I figured the pony was Lucky. Obviously, as you may have guessed, I had a blue Ember. You have to remember this story takes place in the ‘80s, a time before we had a wonderful thing called the Internet. It probably wasn’t until a few years ago when I was doing some MLP research and made this discovery. The pony I had was clearly not Lucky; I just thought it was him because my pony was all blue! And I just assumed they forgot to print the horseshoe symbol, so what do I do? Get out my purple magic marker and draw a crude horseshoe on its haunches! I still have that little pony and it will probably always be known as “Lucky” to me.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on April 16, 2020, 09:31:38 AM
Okay, I have a random pony thought:

Did you ever have a pony (or two) as a kid and realized that during your childhood you were calling it by a different name, either because a) you didn't know how to pronounce its name, or b) you just went through your entire childhood thinking that was its name and only just now, as an adult, realized it had an entirely different name?  :P I can give you an example for each one:


Not this exactly, but I grew up with the UK names, and having to adjust or use two names where there are different US names is brain taxing at times. I learned all the US names for ease of communication, but I really hate using them because it's like I'm not talking about the ponies I grew up with at all any more. I wonder if people who grew up with ponies in other languages ever feel like that...

I've seen other people call her Dainty Delilah as well though xD. And also I've seen people use Wind Song rather than Wing Song quite a lot...
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on April 16, 2020, 10:39:43 AM
I've come to realize that Ribbon is Mystery Machine colored.

To answer your question Fern:
1) Sweet Pop-I called her Popsicle.

2)Salty-I thought his name was stupid as a kid, so I called him Tugboat.

3) Sunnybunch-She was given to me by a friend and I didn't know her name. She became Cassidy, but I don't remember why?

4) Blushie-My aunt bought her for me at the swapmeet and I didn't know her name. My daughter called her Bouquet and by the time I found out her real name, which is definitely a dumb name, I just stuck with the one my daughter gave her because its much better.

5) Hula Hula. This set confuses me name-wise. My theory is that Hasbro was sloshed and mixed up their names. (Musta been sloshed for that one set of SHS too.) So I named her Kalea which is Hawaiian for Bright.

6) I use 4-Speed's UK name Trucker. It suits him better then 4-Speed.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Broken Irishwoman on April 16, 2020, 12:41:38 PM
Not this exactly, but I grew up with the UK names, and having to adjust or use two names where there are different US names is brain taxing at times. I learned all the US names for ease of communication, but I really hate using them because it's like I'm not talking about the ponies I grew up with at all any more. I wonder if people who grew up with ponies in other languages ever feel like that...

Yes! I really had to get used to their English/American names when I became part of the online community. A lot of English names seemed so dang elaborate compared to their Dutch names. Cherry Treats was simply Kersje (-je is used as a diminutive, like -y is in English), Music Time was simply Nootje. So much cuter to my ears. :P
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: brightberry on April 16, 2020, 02:26:00 PM
One of the reasons why I loved mail-order Ember was because only one was the "Ember".  The other two were literally blank slates that I could give whatever name I wanted to. 

I named my blue Ember "Blueberry" and she went with me everywhere.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on April 16, 2020, 03:34:15 PM
One of the reasons why I loved mail-order Ember was because only one was the "Ember".  The other two were literally blank slates that I could give whatever name I wanted to. 

I named my blue Ember "Blueberry" and she went with me everywhere.

That's cute
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on April 16, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
One of the reasons why I loved mail-order Ember was because only one was the "Ember".  The other two were literally blank slates that I could give whatever name I wanted to. 

I named my blue Ember "Blueberry" and she went with me everywhere.

That's cute
I have both the purple one (like in the show) & the pink one. The pink one is her twin, Emma.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on April 16, 2020, 09:44:47 PM
Okay, I have a random pony thought:

I also went through my entire life thinking I had one pony, when in actuality I had a completely different pony! Let me tell you the story:

I must have been five or six when I received a pony in the mail. It was a blue baby pony with blue hair and no symbol and it came in a small box. Of course I was thrilled to get it and that’s really all I remember: just the excitement of opening a small box to find a pony in there. I don’t remember if it came with any papers telling me what the pony’s name was or anything like that. All my life, I figured the pony was Lucky. Obviously, as you may have guessed, I had a blue Ember. You have to remember this story takes place in the ‘80s, a time before we had a wonderful thing called the Internet. It probably wasn’t until a few years ago when I was doing some MLP research and made this discovery. The pony I had was clearly not Lucky; I just thought it was him because my pony was all blue! And I just assumed they forgot to print the horseshoe symbol, so what do I do? Get out my purple magic marker and draw a crude horseshoe on its haunches! I still have that little pony and it will probably always be known as “Lucky” to me.

That's so funny, because I thought the same thing about my blue Ember! I didn't actually go through the mail-ordering process to acquire mine, since a friend actually gave me her Ember when I had to go for a hospital stay as a child. I also thought it was Lucky, as I had seen the little package inserts for the mail-order Lucky and figured since this pony was also blue with blue hair that it must be him. Lucky/Ember got me through that scary time, and is to this day one of my favorite ponies. I didn't find out until years later when looking up other ponies' names that I came across the Ember series and realized that not only was my blue pony Ember, not Lucky, but she came in a couple of other colors as well. I noticed that mine didn't have a rump symbol, but I figured that since my friend had owned her for a while first, it had rubbed off or something. I had just liked her because she was blue, which was my favorite color, and because my friend had given her to me.

I also didn't realize until recently that the actual Lucky came with a chopped mane. I couldn't figure out why every time I saw a Lucky for sale, it seemed like some kid had chopped all his hair off.

Other ponies that I called other names:

Sparkler: This was my very first pony, and I don't think I realized that ponies came with names, and the package probably got thrown away with all the other birthday wrap, so I named her 'Tiffany'.

Tootsie: Well, I didn't actually rename her, but I think I pronounced her name wrong; I think it's actually supposed to be like Tootsie Roll, right? Well I was just learning how to read, and pronounced it Toot-sie, as in toot a horn. To this day I still pronounce it that way in my head because I called her that for so many years.

Sugarberry: We always just called this pony Strawberry...for obvious reasons.

Noodles and Doodles: I know the blue twin was supposed to be Noodles and the pink twin Doodles, but I reversed them, for no reason other than I just wanted them to be that way.


Post Merge: April 16, 2020, 09:50:43 PM

One of the reasons why I loved mail-order Ember was because only one was the "Ember".  The other two were literally blank slates that I could give whatever name I wanted to. 

I named my blue Ember "Blueberry" and she went with me everywhere.

That's cute
I have both the purple one (like in the show) & the pink one. The pink one is her twin, Emma.

That's cute...Ember and Emma! The only one I don't have is the pink one...I received a purple one kind of by accident in a lot that I ordered, but she is kind of scuzzy and gray-looking. Her hair is nice though; I thought about making a custom out of her, maybe a Baby Snuzzle?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on April 17, 2020, 09:15:52 AM
How come only a few species have queens?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: PrincessKittyDragon on April 17, 2020, 09:55:53 AM
I find G1 ponies have the most fun to style hair. I used to be mostly big on G3 but finally owning G1's made me just adore them the most. They are so chunky and nice to hold! Their size is just perfect!

Another thought, am I strange for liking to get more dingy and dirty ponies? I get satisfaction from cleaning them up and making them new again! Seeing the Before & After always makes me proud. It also just gives me something to put some time and work into. It also makes me feel more attached to them because I'm the one that made them look good as new again, they didn't just come that way!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Safflower on April 17, 2020, 10:14:23 AM
I find G1 ponies have the most fun to style hair.
Styling G1 pony hair is heaven :drunk:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on April 17, 2020, 11:20:11 AM
I'm all about flutters, g3s and so-softs this year. I also want more bushwoolies. I'm hoping I'll get my sole childhood woolie Friendly back. I'd be thrilled to own Wishful too.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Mana Minori on April 17, 2020, 12:09:10 PM
I find G1 ponies have the most fun to style hair. I used to be mostly big on G3 but finally owning G1's made me just adore them the most. They are so chunky and nice to hold! Their size is just perfect!

Another thought, am I strange for liking to get more dingy and dirty ponies? I get satisfaction from cleaning them up and making them new again! Seeing the Before & After always makes me proud. It also just gives me something to put some time and work into. It also makes me feel more attached to them because I'm the one that made them look good as new again, they didn't just come that way!

I adore the g1’s for the same reason! They are the perfect size to hold, and are far easier to style their hair, with that perfect hand weight and size to them. A complete contrast to the g3.5 and g4 ponies, who aren’t even a handful of pony, and stupidly small, thus making it more difficult to put much effort into styling their hair on their stupid small heads.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on April 17, 2020, 12:11:37 PM
I find G1 ponies have the most fun to style hair.
Styling G1 pony hair is heaven :drunk:

Yesssss
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on April 19, 2020, 09:34:58 AM
I find G1 ponies have the most fun to style hair. I used to be mostly big on G3 but finally owning G1's made me just adore them the most. They are so chunky and nice to hold! Their size is just perfect!

Another thought, am I strange for liking to get more dingy and dirty ponies? I get satisfaction from cleaning them up and making them new again! Seeing the Before & After always makes me proud. It also just gives me something to put some time and work into. It also makes me feel more attached to them because I'm the one that made them look good as new again, they didn't just come that way!

Same! I love picking up lots that have dirty ponies with frizzy hair and turning them into something that looks brand-new!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on April 19, 2020, 10:41:03 AM
I never had any pony outside of G1, but is G2 and G3 hair in any particular way different?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: RoseNoire on April 19, 2020, 10:45:48 AM
Space Pinto : g2 and g3 don't feel that different from one another as far as I can tell. Same for g1 when they don't get frizzy.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Mrs. Prospector on April 19, 2020, 11:10:43 AM
Okay, I have a random pony thought:

Did you ever have a pony (or two) as a kid and realized that during your childhood you were calling it by a different name, either because a) you didn't know how to pronounce its name, or b) you just went through your entire childhood thinking that was its name and only just now, as an adult, realized it had an entirely different name?

Going back to this, yes! I always called Thistle Whistle "Twizzle Wizzle". I also always assumed my Crystal Lake was Twinkle Twirl.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: RLisa on April 19, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
I'm the same with later realizing the real name of my ponies and I also like to clean up new additions! Feels very rewarding :)

My random thought : it would have been great if they had made more darker colored  g1 and g3 ponies. Some deep wine red, forest green , or an abyss blue.... It's one of the reasons I like the Stranger things applejack so much with her unique colors.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Safflower on April 19, 2020, 07:26:39 PM
I'd love to customize, but I'm too lazy to buy hair and baits, lol.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Esbayne on April 19, 2020, 07:44:49 PM
I'm the same with later realizing the real name of my ponies and I also like to clean up new additions! Feels very rewarding :)

My random thought : it would have been great if they had made more darker colored  g1 and g3 ponies. Some deep wine red, forest green , or an abyss blue.... It's one of the reasons I like the Stranger things applejack so much with her unique colors.

Yesss definitely! There's a handful, but not enough!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on April 20, 2020, 02:25:25 AM
I'm the same with later realizing the real name of my ponies and I also like to clean up new additions! Feels very rewarding :)

My random thought : it would have been great if they had made more darker colored  g1 and g3 ponies. Some deep wine red, forest green , or an abyss blue.... It's one of the reasons I like the Stranger things applejack so much with her unique colors.
There are black ones from HQG1C, & you can keep some as is & Customise others. I also do a lot of dark colours, including Boys. I was wanting to do a rare colours thread in Customs (red, grey, brown, black). Should I or will somebody else beat me to it???
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: bright rabbit 1 on April 20, 2020, 04:10:01 AM
Why did they show that G1 episode Glass Princess showing the ponies her regrow, and little children decided to cut their ponies hair to see if it will grow? One episode I found so creepy that I am not watching that episode ever again.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on April 20, 2020, 07:53:28 AM
I just realized that technically, Tirek from the TV animated special was a collector (and a customizer in a way, if you think about it).
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on April 20, 2020, 08:25:56 AM
I actually made a rare colours thread in Customs, so feel free to post your gold, silver, brown, tan, grey, red & black Ponies there!!!

I just realized that technically, Tirek from the TV animated special was a collector (and a customizer in a way, if you think about it).
:haha: BRILLIANT!!!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on April 20, 2020, 08:26:34 AM
I just realized that technically, Tirek from the TV animated special was a collector (and a customizer in a way, if you think about it).
*coffee spray*
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on April 20, 2020, 09:03:29 AM
I just realized that technically, Tirek from the TV animated special was a collector (and a customizer in a way, if you think about it).

:rofl: And a very talented one at that!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: PrincessKittyDragon on April 20, 2020, 11:53:05 AM
I never had any pony outside of G1, but is G2 and G3 hair in any particular way different?

I think for me its less the texture and more the way its cut! G3 ponies pretty much all have the same length/style except for a few having extra long hair. I feel like its more fun to style G1 hair in different ways, like having curls!

Though maybe its just me but I feel like G1 despite its age has the best quality hair of any gen. I have over 20 G1's now and nearly non of them have awful frizzy after a good wash but a good many of G3's hair feels slightly damaged :<

I also just love G1 ponies lil forelock!  :lovey:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Esbayne on April 20, 2020, 02:10:44 PM
I never had any pony outside of G1, but is G2 and G3 hair in any particular way different?

I think for me its less the texture and more the way its cut! G3 ponies pretty much all have the same length/style except for a few having extra long hair. I feel like its more fun to style G1 hair in different ways, like having curls!

Though maybe its just me but I feel like G1 despite its age has the best quality hair of any gen. I have over 20 G1's now and nearly non of them have awful frizzy after a good wash but a good many of G3's hair feels slightly damaged :<

I also just love G1 ponies lil forelock!  :lovey:

When did they stop doing forelocks? Or was it pretty random?

When I was a kid I was always taught G1 = forelock, but when I got older I started noticing that actually most of them don't even have one, only the older ones!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: RLisa on April 21, 2020, 07:18:48 AM
I'm the same with later realizing the real name of my ponies and I also like to clean up new additions! Feels very rewarding :)

My random thought : it would have been great if they had made more darker colored  g1 and g3 ponies. Some deep wine red, forest green , or an abyss blue.... It's one of the reasons I like the Stranger things applejack so much with her unique colors.
There are black ones from HQG1C, & you can keep some as is & Customise others. I also do a lot of dark colours, including Boys. I was wanting to do a rare colours thread in Customs (red, grey, brown, black). Should I or will somebody else beat me to it???

Those are indeed very cute dark ponies! They're on my wishlist for sure but it's a pity they don't come with any symbols (more to customize maybe?)
That sounds like a great idea for a thread! Sadly I don't have any customs to show off there, but I'll take a look :)
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: PrincessKittyDragon on April 21, 2020, 08:36:18 AM
I never had any pony outside of G1, but is G2 and G3 hair in any particular way different?

I think for me its less the texture and more the way its cut! G3 ponies pretty much all have the same length/style except for a few having extra long hair. I feel like its more fun to style G1 hair in different ways, like having curls!

Though maybe its just me but I feel like G1 despite its age has the best quality hair of any gen. I have over 20 G1's now and nearly non of them have awful frizzy after a good wash but a good many of G3's hair feels slightly damaged :<

I also just love G1 ponies lil forelock!  :lovey:

When did they stop doing forelocks? Or was it pretty random?

When I was a kid I was always taught G1 = forelock, but when I got older I started noticing that actually most of them don't even have one, only the older ones!

I'm not sure, I know some of the very early G4's had forelocks kinda, more like bangs. It was AJ and Twilight.
I don't think any other gen has them, but I don't know any G2 so they could've!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on April 21, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
I never had any pony outside of G1, but is G2 and G3 hair in any particular way different?

I think for me its less the texture and more the way its cut! G3 ponies pretty much all have the same length/style except for a few having extra long hair. I feel like its more fun to style G1 hair in different ways, like having curls!

Though maybe its just me but I feel like G1 despite its age has the best quality hair of any gen. I have over 20 G1's now and nearly non of them have awful frizzy after a good wash but a good many of G3's hair feels slightly damaged :<

I also just love G1 ponies lil forelock!  :lovey:

When did they stop doing forelocks? Or was it pretty random?

When I was a kid I was always taught G1 = forelock, but when I got older I started noticing that actually most of them don't even have one, only the older ones!

I'm not sure, I know some of the very early G4's had forelocks kinda, more like bangs. It was AJ and Twilight.
I don't think any other gen has them, but I don't know any G2 so they could've!

A proportion of G2s have them. I have most of mine in storage at the moment but even of the three sitting on my unit with the G4 ponies I can see that Water Lily has one.

I also have a bunch of early G4 with them too.

As for G1, they more or less stop around 1989 but there are exceptions, for example the fringes on the hairdo ponies and great hair ponies (1993-4) and I am pretty sure the TAF babies, some of those have them as well.

There are also some sets like the Sweetberries which have forelocks in the US and not in the UK and Europe, probably due to manufacturing places and timeline.

And there are some earlier ponies that don't have forelocks too, like a lot of the unicorns I think.

Looking at the G3 on my shelf (which is a long way from most of my G3) I can't see any forelocks.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Mana Minori on April 23, 2020, 08:45:12 AM
A random pony thought that I had was “ is the original My Pretty Pony” supposed to be “TJ”? Since it bears striking resemblance to Megan’s horse in the g1 cartoon. (I know MPP comes first, but I really don’t think it was given a name until the g1 cartoon?)
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on April 23, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
A random pony thought that I had was “ is the original My Pretty Pony” supposed to be “TJ”? Since it bears striking resemblance to Megan’s horse in the g1 cartoon. (I know MPP comes first, but I really don’t think it was given a name until the g1 cartoon?)
OOFT could be!!!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: PrincessKittyDragon on April 23, 2020, 10:23:40 AM
I never had any pony outside of G1, but is G2 and G3 hair in any particular way different?

I think for me its less the texture and more the way its cut! G3 ponies pretty much all have the same length/style except for a few having extra long hair. I feel like its more fun to style G1 hair in different ways, like having curls!

Though maybe its just me but I feel like G1 despite its age has the best quality hair of any gen. I have over 20 G1's now and nearly non of them have awful frizzy after a good wash but a good many of G3's hair feels slightly damaged :<

I also just love G1 ponies lil forelock!  :lovey:

When did they stop doing forelocks? Or was it pretty random?

When I was a kid I was always taught G1 = forelock, but when I got older I started noticing that actually most of them don't even have one, only the older ones!

I'm not sure, I know some of the very early G4's had forelocks kinda, more like bangs. It was AJ and Twilight.
I don't think any other gen has them, but I don't know any G2 so they could've!

A proportion of G2s have them. I have most of mine in storage at the moment but even of the three sitting on my unit with the G4 ponies I can see that Water Lily has one.

I also have a bunch of early G4 with them too.

As for G1, they more or less stop around 1989 but there are exceptions, for example the fringes on the hairdo ponies and great hair ponies (1993-4) and I am pretty sure the TAF babies, some of those have them as well.

There are also some sets like the Sweetberries which have forelocks in the US and not in the UK and Europe, probably due to manufacturing places and timeline.

And there are some earlier ponies that don't have forelocks too, like a lot of the unicorns I think.

Looking at the G3 on my shelf (which is a long way from most of my G3) I can't see any forelocks.

That's really interesting that some ponies have forelocks in the US but not in the UK!
There are so many good ponies from the UK that I wish were released here, weren't all the MLP Tales ponies exclusive to the UK? :o
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: FernMariposa919 on April 23, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
A random pony thought that I had was “ is the original My Pretty Pony” supposed to be “TJ”? Since it bears striking resemblance to Megan’s horse in the g1 cartoon. (I know MPP comes first, but I really don’t think it was given a name until the g1 cartoon?)

You're right; they do look a lot alike! That can't be a coincidence! I feel bad for TJ; Megan just ditched him for Firefly, Sundance, and the other ponies. I mean, how can he compete with pastel talking ponies, some of them who can even FLY?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Safflower on April 23, 2020, 02:17:11 PM
A random pony thought that I had was “ is the original My Pretty Pony” supposed to be “TJ”? Since it bears striking resemblance to Megan’s horse in the g1 cartoon. (I know MPP comes first, but I really don’t think it was given a name until the g1 cartoon?)
Huh, could be. I doubt the animators would be aware of MPP though? And both MPPs were never given official names. They were just called MPP. (And Hasbro really never acknowledged their existence after MLP.) Plus "brown with white spots" is a pretty default/vague horse color... it's pretty unlikely. Is MPP meant to be TJ? No. Is TJ meant to reference MPP? Maybe, though I really doubt it.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Mana Minori on April 23, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
A random pony thought that I had was “ is the original My Pretty Pony” supposed to be “TJ”? Since it bears striking resemblance to Megan’s horse in the g1 cartoon. (I know MPP comes first, but I really don’t think it was given a name until the g1 cartoon?)

You're right; they do look a lot alike! That can't be a coincidence! I feel bad for TJ; Megan just ditched him for Firefly, Sundance, and the other ponies. I mean, how can he compete with pastel talking ponies, some of them who can even FLY?
poor TJ never stood a chance. 5 seconds of screentime and a namedrop, and - oh look, pastel magic ponies!
TJ: I see how it is D:<

it'd be really cool to get Bonnie's original natural colored prototype MLP's made, and give them names. one was black, one was deep brown with spots, but the third could absolutely be TJ,. possibly the original MPP.

also, I wonder what TJ's name would stand for. Terrance James? Certainly not a Little Pony sounding name....
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 04, 2020, 08:17:13 AM
A recent conversation about the Precious Pockets made me realize that 1 sided symbols technically had a start in G1.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Broken Irishwoman on May 04, 2020, 11:22:29 AM
Yes, and I disliked it even then! >_< I really liked that set, but when I got one of them, I was so disappointed that there was nothing on the other side...
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on May 04, 2020, 04:51:16 PM
Yes, and I disliked it even then! >_< I really liked that set, but when I got one of them, I was so disappointed that there was nothing on the other side...
Seconded
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Shadowperla on May 06, 2020, 11:54:46 AM
G2 ears catch soap real good. *had to re-rinse like 5*
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Snapdragon on May 07, 2020, 03:00:17 AM
Sometimes there just isn't a thread for them. What have been your off topic pony thoughts recently?

I've noticed that for some G1 white ponies, the whites of their eyes aren't actually painted. So when they discolor, the white part of their eyes turns brown/yellow. I do not like the look.

I have definitely noticed this... right after dying them midnight blue. XD Oh! Uh ... I guess you got some kind of eye condition there, huh Pony Bride?

I don't think this is a particularly unique thought, but I always wonder, who are the mommies to all of the unique babies in the line? Baby Squirmy? Baby Wiggles? Who's mom!? I won't even get into the implications of having 15ish named male characters as the presumptive fathers, but it seems pretty obvious that newborns need mommies! Aww ... unless the "My Little Pony Mommy" commercial jingle is intended to be more literal! That's cute, in that case.  :relaxed:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on May 07, 2020, 06:05:52 AM

I have definitely noticed this... right after dying them midnight blue. XD Oh! Uh ... I guess you got some kind of eye condition there, huh Pony Bride?

I don't think this is a particularly unique thought, but I always wonder, who are the mommies to all of the unique babies in the line? Baby Squirmy? Baby Wiggles? Who's mom!? I won't even get into the implications of having 15ish named male characters as the presumptive fathers, but it seems pretty obvious that newborns need mommies! Aww ... unless the "My Little Pony Mommy" commercial jingle is intended to be more literal! That's cute, in that case.  :relaxed:

I have always wondered this, too! Like the first few sets of babies had a matching mom (although I did like how a couple of the first wave of babies didn't match exactly, like Babies Glory and Moondancer had lighter hair than the adult versions!), but then they started putting out the newborn twins, and what, were they all supposed to be orphans? Then any babies made after that seemed to just be a free-for-all; no need for an adult pony to pair them with.

Also another random thought I had lately while cleaning some of my newborn ponies was that some of their rump symbols are of really baby-ish things...how silly those ponies would look when they grew up into an adult pony and had a crib mobile like Baby Dangles, for example, as a symbol. I'm guessing no one gave this any thought when designing these.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 07, 2020, 07:58:11 AM
That's what I like about the unattatched baby ponies. You can make your own families with them.

Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on May 07, 2020, 08:25:41 AM
That's what I like about the unattatched baby ponies. You can make your own families with them.
THIS!!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on May 07, 2020, 11:14:16 AM
That's what I like about the unattatched baby ponies. You can make your own families with them.

True...and I did! Milkweed and Tumbleweed were the babies of Posey and Lickety Split (our Posey was a boy for some reason) along with siblings Tiddlywinks (another poor parentless pony!) and Baby Lickety.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on May 07, 2020, 02:36:42 PM
I was watching My Little Pony Tales recently and I realized something. For a long time, I had found something strangely unsettling about the way the characters walked on their back legs, and it wasn't just about how unnatural that pose was for an equine, either. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, until it finally dawned on me. Just like in the previous G1 cartoon, the characters' hooves make a clippity-clop sound whenever they walk on hard surfaces. However, while it sounds completely natural when it's four hooves hitting the ground, it just doesn't sound right when you only hear two hooves from someone walking like a human being. You just don't hear something like that in nature, where horses and all the other hoofed animals are always quadrupeds. In fact, probably the only thing that makes this particular sound is devils in movies, since they're usually portrayed with hooves instead of human feet. It might sound weird, but it just makes perfect sense: whenever I heard a MLPT character walk on their back legs, I subconsciously associated the sounds their hooves made with someone with horns and a pitchfork!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Carrehz on May 07, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
I just realized that technically, Tirek from the TV animated special was a collector (and a customizer in a way, if you think about it).

:lmao:!!!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Mana Minori on May 07, 2020, 03:20:36 PM
I was watching My Little Pony Tales recently and I realized something. For a long time, I had found something strangely unsettling about the way the characters walked on their back legs, and it wasn't just about how unnatural that pose was for an equine, either. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, until it finally dawned on me. Just like in the previous G1 cartoon, the characters' hooves make a clippity-clop sound whenever they walk on hard surfaces. However, while it sounds completely natural when it's four hooves hitting the ground, it just doesn't sound right when you only hear two hooves from someone walking like a human being. You just don't hear something like that in nature, where horses and all the other hoofed animals are always quadrupeds. In fact, probably the only thing that makes this particular sound is devils in movies, since they're usually portrayed with hooves instead of human feet. It might sound weird, but it just makes perfect sense: whenever I heard a MLPT character walk on their back legs, I subconsciously associated the sounds their hooves made with someone with horns and a pitchfork!
maybe they wanted to make them like the Japanese Takara ponies? They also walk on their hind legs. I know it’s a long shot, but it’s the only explanation I have. The Tales animation and the Takaras are the only bipedal ponies, for whatever reason.

I’m not quite sure I like the Devil symbolism, but MLP does have a lot of religious elements to it already.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on May 07, 2020, 10:02:12 PM
I was watching My Little Pony Tales recently and I realized something. For a long time, I had found something strangely unsettling about the way the characters walked on their back legs, and it wasn't just about how unnatural that pose was for an equine, either. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, until it finally dawned on me. Just like in the previous G1 cartoon, the characters' hooves make a clippity-clop sound whenever they walk on hard surfaces. However, while it sounds completely natural when it's four hooves hitting the ground, it just doesn't sound right when you only hear two hooves from someone walking like a human being. You just don't hear something like that in nature, where horses and all the other hoofed animals are always quadrupeds. In fact, probably the only thing that makes this particular sound is devils in movies, since they're usually portrayed with hooves instead of human feet. It might sound weird, but it just makes perfect sense: whenever I heard a MLPT character walk on their back legs, I subconsciously associated the sounds their hooves made with someone with horns and a pitchfork!
maybe they wanted to make them like the Japanese Takara ponies? They also walk on their hind legs. I know it’s a long shot, but it’s the only explanation I have. The Tales animation and the Takaras are the only bipedal ponies, for whatever reason.

I’m not quite sure I like the Devil symbolism, but MLP does have a lot of religious elements to it already.
Since Truly's rumpmark came right out of the Bible (dove carrying olive branch to Noah), I made her my Reverend. She became a Christian after reading some of the books stored in the attic with her before she was sold on...

Not to mention the obvious references to Christmas & Easter in a good few Ponies
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on May 08, 2020, 02:20:33 AM
I was watching My Little Pony Tales recently and I realized something. For a long time, I had found something strangely unsettling about the way the characters walked on their back legs, and it wasn't just about how unnatural that pose was for an equine, either. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, until it finally dawned on me. Just like in the previous G1 cartoon, the characters' hooves make a clippity-clop sound whenever they walk on hard surfaces. However, while it sounds completely natural when it's four hooves hitting the ground, it just doesn't sound right when you only hear two hooves from someone walking like a human being. You just don't hear something like that in nature, where horses and all the other hoofed animals are always quadrupeds. In fact, probably the only thing that makes this particular sound is devils in movies, since they're usually portrayed with hooves instead of human feet. It might sound weird, but it just makes perfect sense: whenever I heard a MLPT character walk on their back legs, I subconsciously associated the sounds their hooves made with someone with horns and a pitchfork!
maybe they wanted to make them like the Japanese Takara ponies? They also walk on their hind legs. I know it’s a long shot, but it’s the only explanation I have. The Tales animation and the Takaras are the only bipedal ponies, for whatever reason.


They wanted to make them more anthropomorphic and more humanish.

It obviously has nothing to do with Takara. Wrong country, wrong language, wrong decade.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: gemini_pony on May 08, 2020, 03:42:27 AM
I was watching My Little Pony Tales recently and I realized something. For a long time, I had found something strangely unsettling about the way the characters walked on their back legs, and it wasn't just about how unnatural that pose was for an equine, either. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, until it finally dawned on me. Just like in the previous G1 cartoon, the characters' hooves make a clippity-clop sound whenever they walk on hard surfaces. However, while it sounds completely natural when it's four hooves hitting the ground, it just doesn't sound right when you only hear two hooves from someone walking like a human being. You just don't hear something like that in nature, where horses and all the other hoofed animals are always quadrupeds. In fact, probably the only thing that makes this particular sound is devils in movies, since they're usually portrayed with hooves instead of human feet. It might sound weird, but it just makes perfect sense: whenever I heard a MLPT character walk on their back legs, I subconsciously associated the sounds their hooves made with someone with horns and a pitchfork!
My friend picked me up the entire series and the only weird thing I noticed was they were kinda jerks in the show. Literally all of the episodes that should have taught some lesson at the end didn't.  There was a whole lot of bickering though xD.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 09, 2020, 07:59:38 AM
Why are true greens such uncommon colors?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on May 09, 2020, 08:05:22 AM
Why are true greens such uncommon colors?

Maybe difficult to get the dye right??

It does make the few that exist special though.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 09, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
Why are true greens such uncommon colors?

Maybe difficult to get the dye right??

It does make the few that exist special though.

That it does. And pricy too. Usually.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Mana Minori on May 09, 2020, 08:47:56 PM
I had a random thought as I was watching The Glass Princess....it is heavily emphasized that ponies have magical properties in their hair- no matter what race they are. In g4, however, it seems like earth ponies (Pinkie Pie, specifically, and Apple Jack to some extent) alone have magical hair, and I wonder if this was a callback to g1.

More importantly, what the magical hair means as far as the misconception that many have about earth ponies having no magic goes.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 09, 2020, 10:06:15 PM
Wanted baby g3 unicorns. And boys.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on May 10, 2020, 01:55:39 AM
Wanted baby g3 unicorns. And boys.
I've Customised some
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on May 10, 2020, 04:03:27 AM
I had a random thought as I was watching The Glass Princess....it is heavily emphasized that ponies have magical properties in their hair- no matter what race they are. In g4, however, it seems like earth ponies (Pinkie Pie, specifically, and Apple Jack to some extent) alone have magical hair, and I wonder if this was a callback to g1.

More importantly, what the magical hair means as far as the misconception that many have about earth ponies having no magic goes.
I heard somewhere that the reason their hair grew back so fast is that the animators didn't feel like drawing them bald for the rest of the storyarc. Which sounds kind of odd considering that they would actually be way easier to animate without hair.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: bright rabbit 1 on May 10, 2020, 04:59:01 AM
Wanted Baby G1s based on the Big/Mountain Boy Ponies, plus G1 Boy Unicorns
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on August 09, 2020, 03:32:44 PM
Whenever I watch the "Slumber Party" episode of My Little Pony Tales, i can't help but think that Squire was originally supposed to die in it, but it wouldn't fly past the censors so they had to change that. Just think about it, Patch's ghost story doesn't really make much sense, seing how ghost stories are meant to be scary and there's nothing scary about a dragon simply walking away while the protagonist was temporarily stuck in a hole, plus when we actually see Squire's ghost at the end he's still the same age, implying he never got any older than he was in the story. Now when you see the scene where Patch's story ends with him falling into the hole, imagine that she says something like "and then he fell into the hole and was never seen again, but some say his ghost is still out there" instead, and now the whole episode complete with the twist ending suddenly makes a whole lot of sense!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: northstar3184 on August 10, 2020, 01:56:24 PM
With the G1 series, I always found it puzzling that everything is within walking distance of Paradise Estate: the desert, the sea, a castle made of ice. How tiny is their world?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on August 11, 2020, 11:09:40 AM
Random pony observation: my Baby Tic Tac Toe has an extraordinarily thick mane. Is anyone else's like this? There are 4 rows of hair plugs, and some random extra large plugs in between the rows. I've never seen this on any pony before, much less a baby. The green stripe in her mane alone is as thick as her tail (which is not skimpy, either!). It's like someone handed her designer a massive hank of hair and said make it work on this pony, however you have to do it. I checked a couple of her set-mates, Babies Quackers and Bouncy, and their hair is normal.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on August 11, 2020, 02:29:08 PM
On that note I always wondered why Baby Fifi's hair was so thin: just one row of white & the streak.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Snapdragon on August 11, 2020, 05:49:55 PM
Whenever I watch the "Slumber Party" episode of My Little Pony Tales, i can't help but think that Squire was originally supposed to die in it, but it wouldn't fly past the censors so they had to change that. Just think about it, Patch's ghost story doesn't really make much sense, seing how ghost stories are meant to be scary and there's nothing scary about a dragon simply walking away while the protagonist was temporarily stuck in a hole, plus when we actually see Squire's ghost at the end he's still the same age, implying he never got any older than he was in the story. Now when you see the scene where Patch's story ends with him falling into the hole, imagine that she says something like "and then he fell into the hole and was never seen again, but some say his ghost is still out there" instead, and now the whole episode complete with the twist ending suddenly makes a whole lot of sense!

Oh ... oh no! I wonder if you're right!! Welp, goodbye sleep! :yikes:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on August 12, 2020, 05:14:58 AM
On that note I always wondered why Baby Fifi's hair was so thin: just one row of white & the streak.

That's interesting...I had wondered about Baby Fifi because she is in the same pose and thought she might be the same, but I don't have her so I couldn't check. That's weird that hers is extra thin! I wonder why they did that.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on August 12, 2020, 05:37:23 AM
I always thought my childhood baby TTT was well endowed in the hair dept.

Baby Fifi has curly hair (theoretically) which may be a part in it.

But the rainbow babies here have much thicker hair than the ones I've had from the US. So it's probably just about batch differences. Or maybe that they have to get four colours in for Baby TTT, but not so much for baby Fifi, who has to accommodate the unicorn streak instead.

A better comparison would probably be Quackers on the four colours, but I can't remember her being super thick either...although she may also be curly, I can't actually remember right now *ponders*.

Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on August 12, 2020, 05:57:54 AM
I thought the same thing, and Quackers was the first one I checked, but she just has 2 standard rows like normal. You might be right, maybe she was curly and that was why. I can't tell, because the one I have is badly frizzed (possibly an indication of curly hair). She was my sister's pony, so I can't remember what she looked like when she was new. She sure is in need of a spa day, though...*puts Baby Q on the mental list of ponies to be cleaned*
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on August 12, 2020, 08:17:38 AM
Whenever I watch the "Slumber Party" episode of My Little Pony Tales, i can't help but think that Squire was originally supposed to die in it, but it wouldn't fly past the censors so they had to change that. Just think about it, Patch's ghost story doesn't really make much sense, seing how ghost stories are meant to be scary and there's nothing scary about a dragon simply walking away while the protagonist was temporarily stuck in a hole, plus when we actually see Squire's ghost at the end he's still the same age, implying he never got any older than he was in the story. Now when you see the scene where Patch's story ends with him falling into the hole, imagine that she says something like "and then he fell into the hole and was never seen again, but some say his ghost is still out there" instead, and now the whole episode complete with the twist ending suddenly makes a whole lot of sense!

Oh ... oh no! I wonder if you're right!! Welp, goodbye sleep! :yikes:

I was thinking about asking George Arthur Bloom himself for clarification on that, but I don't know if he is available anywhere online :)
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Lilja on August 13, 2020, 05:35:32 AM
Whenever I watch the "Slumber Party" episode of My Little Pony Tales, i can't help but think that Squire was originally supposed to die in it, but it wouldn't fly past the censors so they had to change that. Just think about it, Patch's ghost story doesn't really make much sense, seing how ghost stories are meant to be scary and there's nothing scary about a dragon simply walking away while the protagonist was temporarily stuck in a hole, plus when we actually see Squire's ghost at the end he's still the same age, implying he never got any older than he was in the story. Now when you see the scene where Patch's story ends with him falling into the hole, imagine that she says something like "and then he fell into the hole and was never seen again, but some say his ghost is still out there" instead, and now the whole episode complete with the twist ending suddenly makes a whole lot of sense!

Oh ... oh no! I wonder if you're right!! Welp, goodbye sleep! :yikes:

I was thinking about asking George Arthur Bloom himself for clarification on that, but I don't know if he is available anywhere online :)

I don't think he is. The guy is in his 70s and has worked on a huge amount of cartoon movies and episodes over the course of his life. I doubt he'd remember such a minor detail from a cartoon episode he wrote nearly 30 years ago. But yeah, if it's a scary story and Squire's ghost is supposed to be haunting, it'd make more sense for him to die in it (although if the story took place a long time ago he'd be dead either way). Falling down a hole is a pretty safe and child friendly way to go in a cartoon, but maybe even that was considered a bit too much.

That said, I'd be really interested in learning more about the production of Tales in general. Like who created the main characters and for what purpose. If it was mainly for the cartoon or mainly for them to be made into toys (considering the toys never released in the US). What the intended market was and why it was such a departure from earlier pony cartoons.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Carrehz on August 13, 2020, 06:53:01 AM
I'd love to hear more production stories about both G1 cartoons. But yeah, Tales is a bit of a mystery.

I want to know how they ended up calling the Glow 'n' Shows "Glowing Magicals", which is almost the UK name. I wonder if they got renamed halfway through production, and Hasbro UK/the Tales crew just didn't get the message? Or something.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on August 13, 2020, 12:52:51 PM
I'd love to hear more production stories about both G1 cartoons. But yeah, Tales is a bit of a mystery.

I want to know how they ended up calling the Glow 'n' Shows "Glowing Magicals", which is almost the UK name. I wonder if they got renamed halfway through production, and Hasbro UK/the Tales crew just didn't get the message? Or something.

I still think the show was made in the US for a European market. There's the prominence of football as the sport as well, which would make more sense in Europe. And the ponies were marketed here, so it makes sense in that context as well.

I don't think that it's about a lack of communication. I think each Hasbro branch had its own power to name or rename ponies and sets to successfully market them in whichever country.

Besides, there is timeline problem with a lack of communication, since both Glowing Magic and MLPTales happened chronologically after Glow & Show (1991 vs 1992). So a deliberate change and a target market makes more sense IMO. Sadly we can't see how "Tuneful" is spelt in a Tales context, as we don't have the scripts. xD.

UK also added a g to Rockin' Beats to make it Rocking, and took an l from Tunefull to make her Tuneful. Tiny details like that almost certainly were local.

I generally assume the UK renamed sets and ponies according to their own personal preferences or needs, but we do know in at least one case that went in reverse with Cherry Berry.

I think it's sad we don't have access to the kinds of things for MLP that do exist for other 80s shows.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 18, 2020, 12:00:03 PM
Can you imagine if the Rainbows, Twinkle Eyes, Brush n Grows and Rainbow Curls had their hair horizontally striped like the UK Family Ponies? That would be so gorgeous
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Safflower on December 18, 2020, 12:18:00 PM
Can you imagine if the Rainbows, Twinkle Eyes, Brush n Grows and Rainbow Curls had their hair horizontally striped like the UK Family Ponies? That would be so gorgeous
Pretty, and VERY hard to rehair :shocked:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: MJNSEIFER on December 18, 2020, 03:03:45 PM
On the subject of the Glow n' Show Ponies and the Rockin' Beats, I wonder why they had different designs in My Little Pony Tales to what they did in the toyline?  I noticed it with the latter, when I started checking out the toyline, but it took me time to realise this with the former, for some reason.  I mean, why would you advertise a toyline by including them in your cartoon, and then redesign them? 

I knew for a long time that they made Dazzleglow an alicorn, but I assumed that was because they couldn't think of how to make her fly and use magic (G1 Twilight could fly without wings in at least one book, but maybe they didn't know that?), but they actually changed the look and pony type of all of them (Starglow remained a pegasus) for some reason.  In fact, they look different on their shared backcard as well - the Glow n' Shows have at least three designs!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 20, 2020, 05:38:30 AM
Whenever I watch the "Slumber Party" episode of My Little Pony Tales, i can't help but think that Squire was originally supposed to die in it, but it wouldn't fly past the censors so they had to change that. Just think about it, Patch's ghost story doesn't really make much sense, seing how ghost stories are meant to be scary and there's nothing scary about a dragon simply walking away while the protagonist was temporarily stuck in a hole, plus when we actually see Squire's ghost at the end he's still the same age, implying he never got any older than he was in the story. Now when you see the scene where Patch's story ends with him falling into the hole, imagine that she says something like "and then he fell into the hole and was never seen again, but some say his ghost is still out there" instead, and now the whole episode complete with the twist ending suddenly makes a whole lot of sense!

Oh ... oh no! I wonder if you're right!! Welp, goodbye sleep! :yikes:

I was thinking about asking George Arthur Bloom himself for clarification on that, but I don't know if he is available anywhere online :)

I don't think he is. The guy is in his 70s and has worked on a huge amount of cartoon movies and episodes over the course of his life. I doubt he'd remember such a minor detail from a cartoon episode he wrote nearly 30 years ago. But yeah, if it's a scary story and Squire's ghost is supposed to be haunting, it'd make more sense for him to die in it (although if the story took place a long time ago he'd be dead either way). Falling down a hole is a pretty safe and child friendly way to go in a cartoon, but maybe even that was considered a bit too much.

That said, I'd be really interested in learning more about the production of Tales in general. Like who created the main characters and for what purpose. If it was mainly for the cartoon or mainly for them to be made into toys (considering the toys never released in the US). What the intended market was and why it was such a departure from earlier pony cartoons.

I don't see how it would be too much? The ponies magically exploded two of their foes.

Not to mention Disney's most violent villain death  was stabbed, electrocuted and exploded all in one go. Like were the people who animated that one inspired by JAWS 1 and 2?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on December 20, 2020, 07:38:12 AM
On the subject of the Glow n' Show Ponies and the Rockin' Beats, I wonder why they had different designs in My Little Pony Tales to what they did in the toyline?  I noticed it with the latter, when I started checking out the toyline, but it took me time to realise this with the former, for some reason.  I mean, why would you advertise a toyline by including them in your cartoon, and then redesign them? 

I knew for a long time that they made Dazzleglow an alicorn, but I assumed that was because they couldn't think of how to make her fly and use magic (G1 Twilight could fly without wings in at least one book, but maybe they didn't know that?), but they actually changed the look and pony type of all of them (Starglow remained a pegasus) for some reason.  In fact, they look different on their shared backcard as well - the Glow n' Shows have at least three designs!

Given how many variations there are within the Glowing Magic set, it almost seems right that there are so many ways they're being represented. You're entirely ignoring the multiple different ways they're illustrated in the UK comics as well.

I assume it's because the TV series world doesn't tend to understand magic in the same way as the comic-verse, where flying and magic were not limited by species in the way that they tended to be in the animation. Though I don't think it's a huge deal adding Dazzleglow etc's wings. There are some bloopers in the earlier animation that do similar to ponies unintentionally after all :)

Tuneful lost her horn because Tales world isn't a magical world. Dazzleglow and company are special so they are allowed such features, but the ordinary ponies were just earth ponies, so Tuneful lost her horn.

...No ideas on the green, that's a bit odd:) But another interesting point is that Teddy, Ace and Lancer also have multiple different designs depending on the medium being used.

My point being that just looking at the TV series means you miss a lot of details.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Lilja on December 20, 2020, 04:06:53 PM
Every iteration of G1 (cartoons, books, comics etc.) operates under its own rules, so what applies to one does not necessary apply to another. I think Tales in general was more focused on creating cohesive stories, rather than bending over backwards to advertise Hasbro's latest products. The toyline ponies that do appear (apart from the seven main ones) seem like they were put in because it served the story of the episode, and the writers had no trouble making alterations to make them fit in better. Maybe Hasbro gave them a list of ponies that could be featured, but didn't enforce it. There were several episodes where they could easily have featured then current toyline ponies (princess, wedding, rollerskating episodes), but didn't.

In the case with the Glow 'n Shows, I see two possible reasons why they were given wings. One could be to clearly highlight that they are fantastical creatures and not the same as the other ponies. Another could be that their purpose in the story was to save Patch and Bon Bon from a hot air balloon crash, and therefore having wings makes them fill this role more naturally (and kind of makes them seem like angels coming to the rescue). Tales episodes have a pretty short runtime and there's not a lot of time to explain things. It makes sense they'd use visual cues like these to get information across more effectively.

I think there might be a similar reasoning for why the Sunbright family's design was altered so heavily, when the other two families match their toys' color schemes very well. Since their episode is about prejudices against people from other cultures, the ponies were given a more light brownish color instead of yellow. This sets them apart from most other ponies we see on the show. And in the society we live in, people with skin colors similar to theirs often face negative stereotypes, so it drives home the point more effectively to the audience that's watching.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 22, 2020, 06:34:23 AM
I don't get why some people have this strange notion that Friends didn't have cohesive stories?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on December 22, 2020, 10:32:21 AM
I don't get why some people have this strange notion that Friends didn't have cohesive stories?

It's mostly just bronies bashing older generations without knowing anything about them, as always.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on December 22, 2020, 04:54:15 PM
I don't get why some people have this strange notion that Friends didn't have cohesive stories?

It's mostly just bronies bashing older generations without knowing anything about them, as always.

I think they have cohesive stories but the stories are often self-contained tales. So they were split into parts and told that whole story, but there isn't an obvious canonical link between what happened in one story vs another story. So you don't have them referring back to the events of a previous encounter or using the experience of that encounter (exception End of Flutter Valley).

I am not sure if you really have that with Tales either, tbh. Or with FIM in the bits I've seen - it seems like a series where it doesn't really matter a lot which series the ep is from or if they're in order because aside a few notable things (Twilight got wings!?!) there's not a lot that carries over?

So it's really just a kid's show thing, probably. But the stories in G1 hold together. They just don't tell a wider ranging arc.

It's also kind of true of Jem, although there are a FEW things in Jem which, if you look for them, do carry over, the only real main shifts are the addition of Jetta and Raya and the introduction of the Stingers.

Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on December 22, 2020, 05:21:06 PM
I am not sure if you really have that with Tales either, tbh. Or with FIM in the bits I've seen - it seems like a series where it doesn't really matter a lot which series the ep is from or if they're in order because aside a few notable things (Twilight got wings!?!) there's not a lot that carries over?
I feel like we're seeing a lot more kids shows that have a serialized storytelling thing, but I guess that's just She-Ra and binging/Netflix stuff. I know stuff like the Owl House and Amphibia have some sort of season/series-long thread? I haven't seen those personally so I can't really speak on that but I do feel like it's becoming a bit more of a "thing" right now versus episodic stuff.
If I may take the opportunity to spew some FiM thoughts.
Spoiler
I can definitely feel that there was some sort of want for longer story threads, but I feel like the ones we got were really rushed. What did we have...the Grand Galloping Gala in S1 (with...three? episodes), the Friendship Games in S3-4 (at least two episodes), the rainbow key thing in S4 (6.5 because of the two-parter finale and also I GUESS that hint in the opener), and the proto-EOH thing in whatever season that was with the campfire story and then other episodes. That one is so forgettable to me.
The proto-EOH was definitely one I remember hearing mutterings about how they wanted it to happen over two seasons, or like, something with more cohesion...I can barely remember what happened with the characters. I think they should have just dropped that one, especially since it felt much less about the ponies actually learning a lesson/being an interesting story than it did a gigantic lore dump.
I hold that the rainbow key thing was the best season-arc because these were all things that tried to challenge the elements of the ponies and they made sense as a way to challenge the CHARACTERS, which are the reason I watch the show. Look, Rarity's generosity backfired! Oh no, Fluttershy is being nice but it's detrimental to the breezies! These make sense and it's fun to see the characters challenged.
The loredump thing was just a loredump. We had a Daring Do episode (the most boring episodes in the entire series, I don't even caare about Indiana Horse) that says "this egyptian pony something crossed the leap of faith" and then something happened, but Pinkie wasn't challenged. She didn't learn anything about how sometimes you aren't always the source of laughter or whatever, it wasn't even HER story...but the egyptian pony is supposed to be her parallel.
Then we had that campfire episode where the CMC+sibs got in a cave and said some tales to each other and then nothing was learned. Go team.
THEN we had the best episode in that entire arc, where Fluttershy learned about self-care and whatnot and it makes SENSE. Lore is integrated into the story rather than overshadowing the interesting part, and it's not shoehorned in. Zecora is sick with an olden disease, oh no, we have to find the cure, oh Fluttershy is so tired because she feels guilty for making her sick. She runs herself down (which serves to better prove the point of the moral) through research and then finds breadcrumbs of information leading her to eventually find out about the ancient healer who found the cure to the disease by doing mystery thing. Fluttershy learns that you can't just muscle through everything and you need to take care of yourself (be kind to) before you can take care of others. Yes, this makes sense because her whole thing is kindness.
More of THAT please, but with all the characters. So I actually care.
The finale to the arc was such a joke. XD Oh there's this villain oh no he's like evil or whatever. Ok, well maybe if you had given us information/alluded to him beforehand I would CARE. Good lord he comes up like ONCE and then never again. Like oh, what was THAT. I think a BREEZE blew by. How WEIRD.

Ok, I've procrastinated too much on this assignment. XD

My thought of the day: Where oh Where is the G5 information.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Lilja on December 23, 2020, 03:47:39 AM
Not sure if it's my comments being alluded to, but I stand by them either way. It's not like either show is completely incomprehensible, but in general I think Tales' stories, world and characters are more coherent and consistent than MLP 'n Friends. For one thing, characters don't blink in and out of existence, and no large buildings pop up out of nowhere because Hasbro had a new toy to sell in Tales.

If we take The End of Flutter Valley as an example. This story is meant to follow the events of the movie, but the pony population has been reduced to five ponies + one baby, and the flutter ponies have been reduced from a huge swarm to just six. One could excuse this I guess, because this is just how the old show worked (old characters disappear, new ones appear depending on what toys are on the shelves). But if we look at the episode as a self contained story there are some pretty blatant inconsistencies:

*The stonebacks try to kill the furbobs + ponies by wrecking the bridge they're standing on. By the end the stonebacks are portrayed as misunderstood and make up with the furbobs. The previous murder attempt is never explained or addressed.
*Queen Bumble is dangled over a hole and is terrified for her life, even though she has wings and flies without problems at several points in the episode. A child can easily notice this inconsistency.
*After fighting over the sunstone with Queen Bumble and her army throughout the whole episode, Queen Bumble changes her mind immediately at the end when Rosedust says she's allowed to come to Flutter Valley for flowers. This is inconsistent with how extremely greedy her character has been portrayed up to this point. A competent writer should've built up to and foreshadowed this moment. MLP 'n Friends in general is full of these types of easy "quick fixes" in their stories.

I could point out many similar things in other episodes (I have watched them hundreds of times since childhood, so I know my stuff), but I feel I've made my point. Kind of funny how in MLP 'n Friends the writers created confusion by having a character with wings be afraid of falling, but in Tales they gave wings to characters that shouldn't have them just to make sure kids would be able to follow what was going on. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 23, 2020, 06:35:45 AM
A cohesive story is one that is fairly well put together, has a beginning, middle and end to whatever the plot is and has decent pacing at the least. It does not matter if its a one episode story or  multi-parter story

An uncohesive story is all over the place, poorly written, has poor pacing etc. Castlevania Animated is a good example of this, despite having a conclusion to the initial plot line.

You're thinking of cartoons with multiple seasons and an overarching storyline told, from beginning to end, like Avatar the Last Airbender which is an excellent example.

Neither type of toon are mutually exclusive, or inclusive to the other. It all depends on the skill of the writer(s).

Tales is just as episodic as Friends, in that you can tune into an episode at any given day, and not worry that you missed major plot points. Very few cartoons had overarching seasons, and it was a rarer cartoon that had an actual ending to the whole thing.

Thus as an example, Friend's Somnambula is just as cohesive as Tale's Happy Birthday Sweetheart.

Both stories are well-put together, have things explained, have decent pacing and resolves the conflict within their respective episodes.

And as for being a commercial, all of MLP is. Tales/ Seven Characters have toys do they not?

Hasbro makes toys and enhances it with media. That is their bread and butter. It's what they've been doing for years.

To say otherwise of either the cohesive stories, or their purpose in using media to help sell their toys, is being nitpicky.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Lilja on December 23, 2020, 07:29:02 AM
My opinion that I expressed was that MLP 'n Friends in general puts more focus on pushing products and less focus on creating a cohesive world and characters than Tales. This does NOT mean I think Tales NEVER does a story to advertise toys (each "Rainbow" family got their own episode after all), or that Friends NEVER has good writing. I'm saying IN GENERAL. It doesn't have to be one thing or the other.

A problem with Somnabula (ignoring the obvious continuity problem with previous episodes/movies) is that it's very unclear what the relationships are between the "girl" ponies and the big brothers. Are Buttons and Slugger siblings or boyfriend and girlfriend? There are things that point to both, because the writers were to careless to clarify this, which makes the whole thing needlessly uncomfortable. In Happy Birthday Sweetheart however, the relationships between the characters are extremely clear (and consistent with what we see in most episodes of Tales).

I have never even implied that a series being episodic means it's automatically bad somehow. Or that one episode always needs follow directly after another (although I do think the characters/world should still be consistent between episodes). So I'm not sure where that came from.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 23, 2020, 07:48:52 AM
Tales has self contained stories is what I meant. Not episodic.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on December 23, 2020, 10:44:31 AM
I have to admit the idea that the Tales characters were 10 years old yet sold as adult toys was something that bothered me as a teenager watching for the first time and bothers me now.

I admit that I like Tales more than the MLP & Friends series, and I was never a big watcher of the series so aside a few eps I don't have Lilja's level of detail for those. I will always wonder how PE and Lullabye Nursery became a combined entity in Revolt of PE but it never really worried me as a kid watching, so I'm not sure how much other jumps would matter...

I feel like because I watched most of the Friends eps as a teenager I am not qualified to comment on plot in the same way as I am the four I grew up with.

IMO neither Friends or Tales are geared up as effectively to sell product as Jem. Tales is probably worse at it because it mangles the dynamic of the rainbow families, adds a sibling, changes symbols on the male ponies and so on. But on the flipside not including the other rollerskates ponies is kind of like not including all the SS ponies or whatever. We still don't know why Baby Buttons appears in Crunch the Rock Dog, either, and there are at least 2 naming blips in Friends (ignoring the UK/US name differences, there's Score and Lilac, neither of which are actual production names post-release).

So honestly I don't think either does a great job of selling products. ;) The masses of not made characters across both series are also a key element of that.

But I grew up with the comic and so I am probably missing important details of both.

What I will say is that Tales was a complete canonical reboot that reached every element of MLP at the end of G1. Although there are ponies that were made in the line that were not featured in the animation, some of them were featured in the comic (rollerskates ponies, Princess Sparkle, Bridal Beauty...) which was also taken over in 1992 by this new updated version of Ponyland. The Glowing Magics and the Rockin' Beats were reinvented at the same time to fit this new narrative as well (admittedly Glowing Magics I think are only in the cartoon, they aren't reinvented in the comic). The merchandise from the time was also dominated by the tales ponies. This was Hasbro trying to reinvent the G1 line in the early 1990s, maybe for a European market. But that in itself poses some advertising problems for the cartoon, because it's being made in a place that has no apparent plans to sell any of the products and possibly is being made by people who don't really know what the actual line will consist of when it does hit the market. That may explain why they drew on those 2 old sets from prior to Tales because they were confident in those as products that kids might identify with.

The schoolhouse was another element that was already out and being sold before MLP Tales happened. It wasn't introduced for the Tales ponies, it's designed for the Schooltime and Playschool ponies, and they continued to feature on the box even into the time after those ponies were retired.

Tales are also, officially, part of the 1993 release here, as are all of the other ponies released the same year. The animation is 1992 and since this production is being run by Hasbro International and not Hasbro in the US...it probably wasn't as much focused on advertising as previous. Bearing in mind the series aired in the US and probably would not have been intended to sell toys there.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Lilja on December 29, 2020, 11:35:17 AM
So honestly I don't think either does a great job of selling products. ;) The masses of not made characters across both series are also a key element of that.
That's probably true to some extent. I think most kids watched the cartoon because they were already into the toys. Or they would've been predisposed to colorful fantasy horses either way. It likely didn't matter much if the cartoon was good or bad, as long as there was ponies on screen kids would watch it. I sure watched a lot it as a kid, even though in hindsight there were things that bothered me about it (back then my main annoyance was when the villains/guest characters took too much attention away from the ponies).

Just because a cartoon exists mainly to sell toys doesn't automatically make it a bad cartoon of course, it all depends on how they go about it. I think Jem did a good job showcasing products without it being too obtrusive or dictating the plot of the episodes. Hasbro wasn't satisfied with Jem's sales, but I bet without the cartoon they would've been much lower. I think it's telling that there are so many who still fondly remember the Jem cartoon, but the toys not so much. With MLP it's the other way around. While the G1 MLP cartoons have their fans, it's extremely rare to see someone who is a fan of them without also being a fan of the toys.

And the whole situation with Tales is super interesting! I wish we knew more about its developement. Why its world is so drastically different to everything that came before, and why they decided to make a cartoon in the US to advertise toys that would only be sold in Europe. I don't think anything like that has ever happened before or since.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on December 29, 2020, 01:14:21 PM
Yeah, Jem definitely survived better as a series than its toyline did, because the proportions were different from Barbie and Mattel introduced the rockers which basically dealt the fatal blow.

Aside "Glitter and Gold", which is a 20 minute shameless infomercial of New Stuff cloaked in a record selling competition...I'd say Jem does a great job of promoting the characters and what's available. But it just didn't last...

SheRa also followed the pony "not many toys given attention but still hugely successful" TV series model.

I'm also curious about what/how/why the Tales series happened. I guess we won't ever know :(
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 29, 2020, 01:33:55 PM
I sincerely hope G5 isn't going to have moulded hair in place of actual, decent quality hair.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: starrynights on December 29, 2020, 05:41:35 PM
I sincerely hope G5 isn't going to have moulded hair in place of actual, decent quality hair.
Me too....
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on December 30, 2020, 01:23:16 AM
I sincerely hope G5 isn't going to have moulded hair in place of actual, decent quality hair.
Me too....
Me three
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: InkyMilk on January 01, 2021, 09:46:33 PM
I had a dream last night that I was at Target and on the shelf was the very first pony toys released for G5. I first saw Applejack, which I figured made sense as she's a classic, and let me tell you...this pony was SO CUTE!!! It looked like a blend of G1 and G3 and it was SO pretty and cute and I absolutely loved her! Soon after I saw more ponies, I think Big Mac and then another boy pony without a name. It was so exciting, because there was a definite vibe of returning to the ways of G1 and G3 by releasing lots of unique ponies, regardless of weather or not they were in a show.

I'll tell you, I was so disappointed to wake up and realize those ponies weren't real. I wish I could picture them more clearly, but all I remember is they were SOOOOOOO freaking adorable!!!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 02, 2021, 07:34:38 AM
I've had a dream like that too. Though the ponies in mine were tweaked Wind Whistler, Majesty and some new ones. I.hope it comes true Inky.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: BlackCurtains on January 02, 2021, 09:10:20 AM
What's the deal with baby ponies? Are baby versions of adults the same pony? Is it like Mario Kart where Mario has an existential crisis when Baby Mario wins the race because he's both Mario and NOT Mario so therefore Mario Mario didn't actually win?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on January 02, 2021, 09:42:02 AM
What's the deal with baby ponies? Are baby versions of adults the same pony? Is it like Mario Kart where Mario has an existential crisis when Baby Mario wins the race because he's both Mario and NOT Mario so therefore Mario Mario didn't actually win?
I think they're Mini-Me's ala Austin Powers, at least according to UK comic lore, which has their mothers looking at a mirror & receiving "clones" of themselves like Jango & Boba Fett...

Whatever they are, the fact there are Baby Ponies is cute, & though some are just like their Mums while others are a great Mum/Dad combo (think Loving Families), there are others who are distinctly different...
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on January 02, 2021, 10:49:06 AM
Eh, the only baby ponies known to come through the mirror are the original set of baby pegasus and unicorn ponies, none of whom were sold in the UK anyway (I actually can't remember if Blossom and CC were included).

Since we never saw that method again, I kind of ignore it as a one off. The original newborn twins were brought to life from drawings on a paper, by Baby Lucky. And Baby Half Note was found randomly abandoned on an island. But most just "came to live in ponyland", often without guardians.

But hey, babies can look like their parents and can also have the same names as their parents. Or Baby is a temporary name until they grow up and choose their own.

TBH the lack of males in ponyland is more of a problem. I think magic is probably much more involved in pony babies...but the Missile Launcher proves that biology is an option as well :P
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 02, 2021, 02:21:12 PM
I will never not laugh at Mummy Missile Launcher. Someone needs to show off a video of her in action.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: starrynights on January 02, 2021, 03:07:03 PM
I think they're Mini-Me's ala Austin Powers,
I love that idea!  :lol:
I will never not laugh at Mummy Missile Launcher. Someone needs to show off a video of her in action.
The what now?
That sounds hilarious.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Ponybookworm on January 02, 2021, 03:30:16 PM
G1 Surprise Twins Mother. She gives birth to tiny twins & they come out of her like, well...
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on January 02, 2021, 03:50:53 PM
If Naynie's wasn't in the attic I would happily film the happy event.

Of course, protective goggles may be necessary.
 
:D
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 03, 2021, 07:53:04 AM
If Naynie's wasn't in the attic I would happily film the happy event.

Of course, protective goggles may be necessary.
 
:D

Maybe a kevlar vest, or suit of armor, in the event that they ricochet.  :lol:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Carrehz on January 03, 2021, 08:34:22 AM
I think it's sad we don't have access to the kinds of things for MLP that do exist for other 80s shows.

(not sure how I overlooked this post o.O sorry for replying to such an old post!)

It really is a shame we have basically _nothing_ from the 80s cartoons. (or the G3 cartoons for that matter, I don't think we have much production stuff from those either...? I'll admit that I haven't really looked, I'm less interested in those) Especially when you look at what some shows have...

re: Episodic shows vs continuity based shows - continuity-based cartoons are only recently becoming a big thing. of course there's always been shows with a strong focus on plot/continuity/etc, but basically - networks prefer episodic shows that you can watch in any order, cause they're easier to rerun, and also apparently viewers are more likely to watch reruns for comedies/episodic shows than plot-based ones? I think we're seeing a stronger focus on continuity these days cause so many things are moving to streaming, etc. sorry to open up a topic again so many months later, just rediscovered this thread and wanted to add that x)

We still don't know why Baby Buttons appears in Crunch the Rock Dog, either, and there are at least 2 naming blips in Friends (ignoring the UK/US name differences, there's Score and Lilac, neither of which are actual production names post-release).

I feel like Baby Buttons was just a happy coincidence - . IIRC there's a Baby Wind Whistler near the end of the movie too, it's not the first time they messed up and drew a matching mum/baby pair that didn't "really" exist (except in Baby Buttons' case, she actually did - just not in the US). It's been a while since I've seen that ep, but aren't the other baby ponies in that ep ones that match the adult ponies in the scene? if that makes sense? Or am I mixing it up with "Bright Lights" - I know that one had a couple of scenes where Baby Half Note is swapped out for Baby Lickety-Split cause it seems like the animators just looked at the scene and assumed they were all meant to be matching mum/baby pairs.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 05, 2021, 02:32:43 PM
I'm a bit bummed that we might not get the baby ponies from BF after all. :(
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on February 28, 2021, 11:54:48 AM
I was thinking about My Little Pony Tales recently and I just realized that the fact that Teddy calls his ursid plush toy a "Teddy bear" implies that there was a pony Theodore Roosevelt in this world...
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Koudoawaia on February 28, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
Either that or in that realm they're named after Teddy himself =o
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 28, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: MJNSEIFER on March 01, 2021, 04:05:18 AM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.
As much as I love FiM and did find it to have beautiful friendship moments... I can probably see what you mean, as the later episodes kind of downplayed the friendship theme, not all of them, but it seemed to be pushed into the background, which is a shame.

There were also episodes that showed the characters falling out for the sake of storyline - I'm not saying friends don't fall out, but it seemed a bit late in their friendships for them to fall out the way they did (e.g. if Rainbow Dash and Rarity were going to fall out for seemingly having no shared interests, it should have happened in Season 2 at the latest, in my opinion.)

That's probably not what you meant, but yeah... I love the friendship in FiM, but was all over the place at times, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Zapper on March 01, 2021, 05:02:45 AM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.

I think that's because in previous gens characters were less exaggerated for comedic and premise-driven effects. In FiM the main pony friends are very different which creates a lot of tention. Good for writing "friendship lesson" plots that FiM was all about. In the real world we'd tell these girls to just stick with their cliques and Pinkie Pie to piss off already ;)
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 01, 2021, 06:12:44 AM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.

I think that's because in previous gens characters were less exaggerated for comedic and premise-driven effects. In FiM the main pony friends are very different which creates a lot of tention. Good for writing "friendship lesson" plots that FiM was all about. In the real world we'd tell these girls to just stick with their cliques and Pinkie Pie to piss off already ;)


 :lol:
We also woulda told Teddy to shove off too.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on March 01, 2021, 12:53:50 PM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.

I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: MJNSEIFER on March 01, 2021, 01:44:49 PM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.

I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative.
  What episode was that?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: brightberry on March 01, 2021, 01:54:56 PM
I think mini figures and playsets from RAMC would have been amazing!  Although, I will always prefer the brushables, I still kind of crave the kind of awesome statues like in FIM for RAMC. 


As a kid, ponies with really weird or silly names
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on March 01, 2021, 07:07:16 PM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.

I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative.
  What episode was that?

I don't know names of individual FIM episodes but from what I've gathered, it seems that the show liked to use non-pony species as stand-ins for African, Native American, Asian etc. cultures, they would usually act in stereotypical fashion (like speaking in broken English, having eccenctric customs etc.) and ponies would have to save them by showing them the magic of friendship. If I am wrong and my sources on that were actually incorrect then I apologize.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 02, 2021, 02:14:58 AM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.

I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative.
  What episode was that?

I don't know names of individual FIM episodes but from what I've gathered, it seems that the show liked to use non-pony species as stand-ins for African, Native American, Asian etc. cultures, they would usually act in stereotypical fashion (like speaking in broken English, having eccenctric customs etc.) and ponies would have to save them by showing them the magic of friendship. If I am wrong and my sources on that were actually incorrect then I apologize.

There is at least that one episode where the Griffins (?) have their treasure lost/damaged/broken by Pinkie and Dash who then patronisingly tell them that they now have a better treasure in friendship. Just a touch colonial there. I don't have a good enough knowledge of G4 FIM to know if there are others, but that one sticks with me because it made me feel very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Zapper on March 02, 2021, 03:48:44 AM
Since this is my most hated episode, "Over a Barrel" in season 1 or maybe 2 had buffalo stand in for Native Americans with stereotypical feathers, warpaint and all. The Lame Six taught them that they have to share their land with the intruders (cowboy ponies/settler ponies) who wanted to use their land for their plantations.

Later on other bovines would stand in for Pakistan (Yakistan, come on, lol) and be nothing but screamy brutes who talk like Grimlock and stomp on everything. Do I need to go on? :lol:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 02, 2021, 09:10:50 AM
Since this is my most hated episode, "Over a Barrel" in season 1 or maybe 2 had buffalo stand in for Native Americans with stereotypical feathers, warpaint and all. The Lame Six taught them that they have to share their land with the intruders (cowboy ponies/settler ponies) who wanted to use their land for their plantations.

Later on other bovines would stand in for Pakistan (Yakistan, come on, lol) and be nothing but screamy brutes who talk like Grimlock and stomp on everything. Do I need to go on? :lol:

O.o.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Zapper on March 02, 2021, 01:01:26 PM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.

I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative.
  What episode was that?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zKGERhaY-sQ ...and that's just the song. The entire episode went like this.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 02, 2021, 04:14:07 PM
Its interesting to me that previous iterations of the cartoons handled friendship better then fim ever did.

I think it's mostly because whenever the topic of friendship came up in older generations, it was usually done in a more organic way, without obligatory in-your-face recaps at the end and without the whole "We need to educate those uncultured non-pony savages who look suspiciously like 1950s racial stereotypes that all of their problems can be solved with friendship" narrative.
  What episode was that?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zKGERhaY-sQ ...and that's just the song. The entire episode went like this.

I regret that I clicked that from curiosity. Leaving the politics aside for a moment, that's like a song on three notes and some of them are flat ><.
I also watched it thinking that this clip needs Wednesday Addams to make an appearance...>.>

...On topic, ouch.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SunPony on March 02, 2021, 05:05:51 PM
Since this is my most hated episode, "Over a Barrel" in season 1 or maybe 2 had buffalo stand in for Native Americans with stereotypical feathers, warpaint and all. The Lame Six taught them that they have to share their land with the intruders (cowboy ponies/settler ponies) who wanted to use their land for their plantations.

I think I watched FiM exactly to that episode and then noped right out of there.  The main bison character was sooooo cute though, wish they had made a toy of her (and made the episode's plot not be just awful)!
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Shiverdam on March 02, 2021, 05:10:37 PM
Since this is my most hated episode, "Over a Barrel" in season 1 or maybe 2 had buffalo stand in for Native Americans with stereotypical feathers, warpaint and all. The Lame Six taught them that they have to share their land with the intruders (cowboy ponies/settler ponies) who wanted to use their land for their plantations.


Over a Barrel infuriates me. On top of that they had those stereotypical "war whoops" playing in the background of the buffalo stampede through the town.


One episode I watched again recently that left my mouth agape was Bridle Gossip; the Zecora episode. All the things the ponies say about her, even considering it was intended to be in ignorance, is just unbelievable. Rarity said her stripes were garish. It's very obvious that this episode was supposed to have a message behind it about not treating people differently because of their skin colour but the Lame 6 act WAY over the top. They insult Zecora's home and "decor" (which appear to be based on African masks), and say that her "strange incantations" (i.e. a different language) points to her being "bad."

Even the "lesson" at the end is wrapped up in such a way that's like "even if someone is strange or weird, don't treat them differently," iirc. Way to drop the ball, hard. Yikes.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: ChibiMango on March 02, 2021, 08:00:30 PM
Posting this here because it's a project still in the very early stages, and I might end up scrapping it if I decide I'd rather work on other things.

Another one of my non-pony hobbies is machine learning.  I've never had any formal education on the subject, but I still enjoy it.  I've been playing around with training an AI to appraise pony prices!  It's still a heavy WIP, but it seems possible from the experiments I've done so far!

I give it all sorts of details, like generation, values representing the condition of the pony, and even a few seemingly arbitrary things like pose and race.

Right now I have very little data, but it seems to work okay!  I tested it on this Valenshy listing (that it hadn't seen before), and it guessed that she was worth $11.08.  A little hyperspecific, but not too far off.

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Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Zapper on March 03, 2021, 03:57:39 AM
Even the "lesson" at the end is wrapped up in such a way that's like "even if someone is strange or weird, don't treat them differently," iirc. Way to drop the ball, hard. Yikes.

That Zecora episode was already done in Tales when Brighteyes went as an exchange student to an island that was obviously based on Hawaii. But somehow in Tales that came 20 years before FiM these subjects were done better, at least in my opinion as a whitebread. In that episode I'm talking about no island pony acted weirdly towards Brighteyes, but she was biased and trying to make the island pony customs fit that bias until she was a complete conspiracy nut and assumed the island ponies would throw her in a volcano while said ponies would just go "wtf, what made you think that?"

It's also why I don't agree that FiM had its best run when Lauren Faust was still in charge. A lot of cringe inducing episodes came about under her supervision. FiM has good and bad stuff evenly spread across all seasons, imo.
Also Zecora being othered as an African stand-in and that bufallo ep led to an onslaught of "racist AJ" memes and racist Equestria fanart in the B-fandom. Certainly not the showrunners fault but a good reminder of what impact these badly thought out plots and morals had. I'm sure a lot of kids got to accidentally see all that "AJ as a plantation owner" crap.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: banditpony on March 03, 2021, 06:20:04 AM
Since this is my most hated episode, "Over a Barrel" in season 1 or maybe 2 had buffalo stand in for Native Americans with stereotypical feathers, warpaint and all. The Lame Six taught them that they have to share their land with the intruders (cowboy ponies/settler ponies) who wanted to use their land for their plantations.

Yeah, nope. That junk needs to never be shown again.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 03, 2021, 07:36:13 AM
I think mini figures and playsets from RAMC would have been amazing!  Although, I will always prefer the brushables, I still kind of crave the kind of awesome statues like in FIM for RAMC. 


As a kid, ponies with really weird or silly names

At the very least it wouldn't be hard to create the mush-romp since those fairy mushrooms with doors are popular.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Shiverdam on March 03, 2021, 01:05:44 PM
Also Zecora being othered as an African stand-in and that bufallo ep led to an onslaught of "racist AJ" memes and racist Equestria fanart in the B-fandom. Certainly not the showrunners fault but a good reminder of what impact these badly thought out plots and morals had. I'm sure a lot of kids got to accidentally see all that "AJ as a plantation owner" crap.

Good lord this also reminded me of that one episode where a Fashion-designer unicorn that Rarity has a crush on comes to town. As soon as he sees Applejack he's in love with her, and he says something like "I've always admired the work-ethic of earthponies." :wacko:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: MJNSEIFER on March 03, 2021, 01:27:03 PM
Thanks to those who responded, I hope I come across okay with how I respond to this – I am not an expert on the subject, as will be made obvious in my response, but I hope I articulate why.

I don't know names of individual FIM episodes but from what I've gathered, it seems that the show liked to use non-pony species as stand-ins for African, Native American, Asian etc. cultures, they would usually act in stereotypical fashion (like speaking in broken English, having eccenctric customs etc.) and ponies would have to save them by showing them the magic of friendship. If I am wrong and my sources on that were actually incorrect then I apologize.
This has always been a grey area for me - I have no idea how much of this was the intention of the writers and how much of it was how the fandom took it, but I never really viewed it this way, by which I mean, it's not how I would portray it if I was writing them.

Regardless of who came up with it, I never really signed on to the idea that a specific species represented a specific race, and I've always ultimately felt that all the species (including ponies) could be whatever kind of race the writer wants to write them as, though that may come from me not noticing what they were doing in the first place.  I don't really tend to think about racial stuff, nor am I that aware of all stereotypes for better or worse, so a lot of the ideas that they were supposed to be a specific race or whatever tended to go over my head, and I'd even forget that it was even a thing at times (the only one I really got was that Zecora was meant to be "the other race" at least metaphorically, as the episode was about racism, but I wouldn't have thought that zebras in general were supposed to be African in Equestria, and headcanon-wise, I still don't.)

I have realised though, I may have misinterpreted your comment, assuming that by  "1950s racial stereotypes" you meant the kind of stereotypes that were more prevalent in the 1950s.  When I responded to you, I thought there something specifically 1950s about the characters you meant, if that makes sense (like they're not only racial stereotypes, they're also cliché 50s characters.) 

There is at least that one episode where the Griffins (?) have their treasure lost/damaged/broken by Pinkie and Dash who then patronisingly tell them that they now have a better treasure in friendship. Just a touch colonial there. I don't have a good enough knowledge of G4 FIM to know if there are others, but that one sticks with me because it made me feel very uncomfortable.
Racial or not (which admittedly, you did not seem to suggest it was), I will admit that the device was ultimately something I was never really sure of - the idea that an entire species has the same values or whatever, like all Griffins are ultimately the same, barring the exceptions (not just Griffins, but non-ponies in general.)  I do feel, at least at times, that they would have done better to make it "those specific [insert non-pony species here]" who are the ones who are acting the specific non-friendship understanding way, or whatever - it's never really felt right when they make it out like it's the majority of the species.

Since this is my most hated episode, "Over a Barrel" in season 1 or maybe 2 had buffalo stand in for Native Americans with stereotypical feathers, warpaint and all. The Lame Six taught them that they have to share their land with the intruders (cowboy ponies/settler ponies) who wanted to use their land for their plantations.

Later on other bovines would stand in for Pakistan (Yakistan, come on, lol) and be nothing but screamy brutes who talk like Grimlock and stomp on everything. Do I need to go on? :lol:
"Over a Barrel" is a weird one for me, because while I took it to be a relatively low (but not bad) episode for completely unrelated reasons (I thought it was more childish and sillier than the rest of the show, and less believable - though some of that could have come from the fact that I was still in the "It's more than just a kid's show!" phase), I missed the whole Native Americans thing, because I wasn't really aware of it.  I'm sorry if this sounds bad, but I'm unfamiliar with what their actual history is (history in general has never really been something I paid attention to growing up) and as said earlier in this response, I don't always know what exactly is a stereotype at times, so I can miss things.  I was focusing on other things when I watched that episode as well, but ultimately I was unaware that the stereotypes were even there, so I probably wouldn't have even noticed them if I was focusing on where they were.  I know they have headdresses and all, but it just didn't click for me - I can't remember what I thought leading up to actually finding out, it just didn't register for me.

It's actually Yakyakistan, which is kind of redundant as a name, or something, but I see your overall point, as the name is at least likely inspired by Pakistan.  I have no idea if the the yaks were supposed to represent Pakistanis themselves, as I didn't notice anything about them that said they were (but again, I can miss things), but I did find it silly that the writers essentially gave the yaks the same personality or way of doing things - I'll admit I have never really been a fan of the yaks in FiM, with the only exception being Yona (I get that she likely has the same format attached to her, but I was okay with her, maybe because I view her more as part of the Student Six than "another yak", or something.)



Over a Barrel infuriates me. On top of that they had those stereotypical "war whoops" playing in the background of the buffalo stampede through the town.


One episode I watched again recently that left my mouth agape was Bridle Gossip; the Zecora episode. All the things the ponies say about her, even considering it was intended to be in ignorance, is just unbelievable. Rarity said her stripes were garish. It's very obvious that this episode was supposed to have a message behind it about not treating people differently because of their skin colour but the Lame 6 act WAY over the top. They insult Zecora's home and "decor" (which appear to be based on African masks), and say that her "strange incantations" (i.e. a different language) points to her being "bad."

Even the "lesson" at the end is wrapped up in such a way that's like "even if someone is strange or weird, don't treat them differently," iirc. Way to drop the ball, hard. Yikes.
I can guess what "War Whoops" are - I forgot they were even in the episode, or if I even noticed them.  I know they are associated with Native Americans, but I never really stopped and thought about it, if that makes sense.

"Bridle Gossip" was one of the first episodes I watched of FiM, so I missed the idea that maybe the ponies were too "forward" with the point of the lesson (which contradicts the idea that ponies are the friendship species, I understand.)  I do remember thinking the episode was a cliché-ish idea, but while I probably didn't find the moral itself subtle, I at least found the episodes handling of it "subtle enough" at the time (I guess...) as I remember thinking the episode ruined the subtleness of it, or at least its ability to not hammer it home for the audience at the end, due to a misheard line on my part.

To explain, I misheard Twilight's line "Friends don't care what you cover is" (she mentioned judging books by their cover before this line) as "Friends don't care what your color is" and I remember thinking that was weird as it came across as "Oh, in case you missed it, this episode was a metaphor for racism" or something, which I found silly because the metaphor with different animals (which is I think is all I really saw it as) was enough, and no one had mentioned color so it seemed out of place (but like I say, I had misheard it.)

And again, I was unaware that they were outright going for African for Zecora, or it simply didn't register.  I get what you mean, but I kind of think it works due to how the episode was written, that it seemed in character for them to innocently think what they thought due to how the episode was set up, but I'll try to have a look at it while focusing on what I know the show to be now, if only in my opinion - I realise it isn't an award winning show, or even a perfect show, but it is my favorite show, so I do have praises to sing about it (while at the same time criticising what I view to be its flaws), but at the time of watching that episode I think I was still expecting a silly guilty pleasure or something, but it ended up being a show I could take seriously enough in a "children's shows can have good writing" and a "nostalgic sentiment" kind of way (though I can still view it as simple fun as well - I just love it, and it fits with pretty much everything for me.)

Also Zecora being othered as an African stand-in and that bufallo ep led to an onslaught of "racist AJ" memes and racist Equestria fanart in the B-fandom. Certainly not the showrunners fault but a good reminder of what impact these badly thought out plots and morals had. I'm sure a lot of kids got to accidentally see all that "AJ as a plantation owner" crap.
I saw that picture last year on twitter if it's what I think it was (and in fairness the general consensus among bronies seemed to be that it shouldn't exist) - this is another example of my unawareness of things, as I didn't even get what  the picture was portraying (litterally only found out tonight) and only knew it was racist because people were saying it was (I'd actually forgotten that the zebras were seen as Africans by that point, so it took time to even register that part of it, and I still didn't get what it was supposed to look like.)

Good lord this also reminded me of that one episode where a Fashion-designer unicorn that Rarity has a crush on comes to town. As soon as he sees Applejack he's in love with her, and he says something like "I've always admired the work-ethic of earthponies." :wacko:
What's that in reference to?  Is it a reference to a race or something in the real world or is it just because it generalised earth ponies as being all the same?

So yeah, hope I came across alright in what I was saying, but a lot of it was down to me not really knowing about the stereotypes, but the whether they were there or not, they were ultimately always something that I tended not to attribute to a specific species or I didn't really see the whole species as being a specific race as I wasn't looking for that, or always knew what to look for - not saying it wasn't there of course.  Regardless of whether it was intentional, it's not what I would have done, and if I had I would have made it so it wasn't specifically "species equals specific race", but made it so that any species could be any race, including ponies, if I was ever going to even focus on that in the first place.

Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: ChibiMango on March 03, 2021, 06:08:16 PM
Good lord this also reminded me of that one episode where a Fashion-designer unicorn that Rarity has a crush on comes to town. As soon as he sees Applejack he's in love with her, and he says something like "I've always admired the work-ethic of earthponies." :wacko:
What's that in reference to?  Is it a reference to a race or something in the real world or is it just because it generalised earth ponies as being all the same?
I don't think it's a reference to a specific race, but I think it's a reference to how some people come up with """positive""" stereotypes of races that are usually completely incorrect and sometimes even fetishize those people. Like how some people put Native Americans on a pedestal as mystical woodland people of grace and mysteriousness, or how some people think all Asians are geniuses. 

At best, it's very creepy, and at worst, it can actually lead to specific people being bashed for not being exactly like the stereotypes.  Plus it often leads to cultural appropriation, such as people using Native American symbols for the 'aesthetic' and completely misusing them in a way that's taboo to the actual natives.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 04, 2021, 01:17:56 AM
There is at least that one episode where the Griffins (?) have their treasure lost/damaged/broken by Pinkie and Dash who then patronisingly tell them that they now have a better treasure in friendship. Just a touch colonial there. I don't have a good enough knowledge of G4 FIM to know if there are others, but that one sticks with me because it made me feel very uncomfortable.
Racial or not (which admittedly, you did not seem to suggest it was), I will admit that the device was ultimately something I was never really sure of - the idea that an entire species has the same values or whatever, like all Griffins are ultimately the same, barring the exceptions (not just Griffins, but non-ponies in general.)  I do feel, at least at times, that they would have done better to make it "those specific [insert non-pony species here]" who are the ones who are acting the specific non-friendship understanding way, or whatever - it's never really felt right when they make it out like it's the majority of the species.


The issue about whether the Griffons all have one collective perspective on something is another topic completely. My issue with it is this attitude:

 "Hi other race of people whose culture we don't understand. We're coming to preach our preferred ideology at you until you accept it. By the way, while we're at it we're also going to destroy part of your own cultural heritage and then trample over it like it doesn't matter because ours is better. Have a nice day."

The historian hat is coming out a bit here, but I've taught colonialism (from the perspective of East Asia), and that's basically the attitude seen here. "Our culture is better than yours, so change" is also not an uncommon attitude in the world today and I just think it passes on the wrong message.

In all truth it doesn't matter whether the Griffon cultural behaviour resonates with the ponies or whether they understand it. By assuming that their way is better, they're disregarding the traditions of another people and assigning it a negative value because it's 'not friendship'.

It's just that line when they're told they now have 'something better' that really bothers me.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Zapper on March 04, 2021, 05:31:22 AM
Also Zecora being othered as an African stand-in and that bufallo ep led to an onslaught of "racist AJ" memes and racist Equestria fanart in the B-fandom. Certainly not the showrunners fault but a good reminder of what impact these badly thought out plots and morals had. I'm sure a lot of kids got to accidentally see all that "AJ as a plantation owner" crap.
I saw that picture last year on twitter if it's what I think it was (and in fairness the general consensus among bronies seemed to be that it shouldn't exist) - this is another example of my unawareness of things, as I didn't even get what  the picture was portraying (litterally only found out tonight) and only knew it was racist because people were saying it was (I'd actually forgotten that the zebras were seen as Africans by that point, so it took time to even register that part of it, and I still didn't get what it was supposed to look like.)

I don't know if you are from the US or not, but I am not and I still immediatly recognize what "slaves working the fields" looks like. Even if I wasn't aware of zebras being African I would have still recognized the time period and conditions. Especially when you see cute cartoon characters for children smiling smugly overlooking or punishing the sadfaced workers. Jebus Christ.
It takes a lot of unawareness to not understand such fanarts. No offense to you.

I know some people say it's ok to create such fanarts as long as they are relegated to websites kids shouldn't be on. But the subject matter is just too messed up and any kind of fanart can just be spread and pop up on image searches even with safety precautions put in place. And the worst thing is about these fanarts: the show gave them an excuse to draw it. Because the show put that portrayal out there, not knowing it would attract racists to a kids cartoon. That's my issue.

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Also Zecora being othered as an African stand-in and that bufallo ep led to an onslaught of "racist AJ" memes and racist Equestria fanart in the B-fandom. Certainly not the showrunners fault but a good reminder of what impact these badly thought out plots and morals had. I'm sure a lot of kids got to accidentally see all that "AJ as a plantation owner" crap.

Good lord this also reminded me of that one episode where a Fashion-designer unicorn that Rarity has a crush on comes to town. As soon as he sees Applejack he's in love with her, and he says something like "I've always admired the work-ethic of earthponies." :wacko:

Maybe I'm too positive on that one but I always took this character as a deliberate snob. But of course it's not like our heroes M6 wouldn't constantly do that, especially Rarity whose snobbishness was often bordering on being a classist or bully :lol: My favorite Rarity quote will always be "mules are ugly" and then a few eps later there are talking mule characters on the show. Awkwaaard :P
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 05, 2021, 06:36:43 PM
There are a couple of scenes in the Jem series where the Holograms are weirdly patronising to people they envcounter. There's a guy with a bunch of tires, and there's the gondola driver who they expect to give them a free ride. Funny how main 'good guys' can do that stuff...
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: MJNSEIFER on March 08, 2021, 12:18:04 PM
I don't think it's a reference to a specific race, but I think it's a reference to how some people come up with """positive""" stereotypes of races that are usually completely incorrect and sometimes even fetishize those people. Like how some people put Native Americans on a pedestal as mystical woodland people of grace and mysteriousness, or how some people think all Asians are geniuses. 

At best, it's very creepy, and at worst, it can actually lead to specific people being bashed for not being exactly like the stereotypes.  Plus it often leads to cultural appropriation, such as people using Native American symbols for the 'aesthetic' and completely misusing them in a way that's taboo to the actual natives.
I understand what you mean, thanks for explaining it.

The issue about whether the Griffons all have one collective perspective on something is another topic completely. My issue with it is this attitude:

 "Hi other race of people whose culture we don't understand. We're coming to preach our preferred ideology at you until you accept it. By the way, while we're at it we're also going to destroy part of your own cultural heritage and then trample over it like it doesn't matter because ours is better. Have a nice day."

The historian hat is coming out a bit here, but I've taught colonialism (from the perspective of East Asia), and that's basically the attitude seen here. "Our culture is better than yours, so change" is also not an uncommon attitude in the world today and I just think it passes on the wrong message.

In all truth it doesn't matter whether the Griffon cultural behaviour resonates with the ponies or whether they understand it. By assuming that their way is better, they're disregarding the traditions of another people and assigning it a negative value because it's 'not friendship'.

It's just that line when they're told they now have 'something better' that really bothers me.
Oh I see, thanks for explaining.  Yes I can see why that's not a good message or way of doing things.  Good point.

I don't know if you are from the US or not, but I am not and I still immediatly recognize what "slaves working the fields" looks like. Even if I wasn't aware of zebras being African I would have still recognized the time period and conditions. Especially when you see cute cartoon characters for children smiling smugly overlooking or punishing the sadfaced workers. Jebus Christ.
It takes a lot of unawareness to not understand such fanarts. No offense to you.

I know some people say it's ok to create such fanarts as long as they are relegated to websites kids shouldn't be on. But the subject matter is just too messed up and any kind of fanart can just be spread and pop up on image searches even with safety precautions put in place. And the worst thing is about these fanarts: the show gave them an excuse to draw it. Because the show put that portrayal out there, not knowing it would attract racists to a kids cartoon. That's my issue.

No offense taken, I simply didn't understand what I was looking at.  I didn't realise that zebras were supposed to be working in the field, I just saw that they were in the field (one appeared to be eating a watermelon, from what I remember.) and Applejack was stood by the fence (I think leaning on it) looking smug dressed in what I took to be a Colonel Sanders outfit (sorry if it wasn't.)  If I hadn't seen complaints about racism surrounding it, I would have thought the joke was that Applejack was farming the zebras.

I am not American, but it's more my own lack of knowledge than anything.  Part of it can be blamed on what the image looked like to me, but I will admit that History in general isn't really something I remember what I learned in school, and through no one's fault but my own, I haven't really kept up with keeping myself educated in regards to history.  I remember that we were taught about slavery in school, but I don't remember specifically what we were told they were made to do.  No offense or disrespect meant to anyone.

Either way, I agree that it is wrong to portray such messages in fanart, regardless of how much at fault the show is.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Queen Sophie on March 09, 2021, 03:55:01 PM
I’ve seen g4 ponies how tall they would be compared to humans, but I’m wondering with the rest of the generations! I tried looking around but I haven’t seen anything about it.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on March 09, 2021, 04:10:29 PM
I’ve seen g4 ponies how tall they would be compared to humans, but I’m wondering with the rest of the generations! I tried looking around but I haven’t seen anything about it.
Good question..
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Powder's head matches up with about Megan's collarbone. The 50th percentile for 13 year old girls is a bit over five feet. I'd say they're roughly a bit under 4 feet??
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: LadyAmalthea on March 10, 2021, 06:45:26 AM
I’ve seen g4 ponies how tall they would be compared to humans, but I’m wondering with the rest of the generations! I tried looking around but I haven’t seen anything about it.
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Powder's head matches up with about Megan's collarbone. The 50th percentile for 13 year old girls is a bit over five feet. I'd say they're roughly a bit under 4 feet??

Oh wow, they're tiny then! I always assumed they were just a little smaller than a standard horse. But I don't know much about horses/ponies, either. I guess I never paid attention to their size ratio to Megan's in the show/movie.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 10, 2021, 06:50:04 AM
I look at it like this.
 I'd say G1s are about Section B Welsh Pony size. 13 hh (54 inches/4 ft)
G2s and G3s are about Dartmoor Pony size.12 hh (roughly 44 in/ 3 ft)
And G4s are about Fallabella size (25 in/2 ft)
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 10, 2021, 01:27:31 PM
I’ve seen g4 ponies how tall they would be compared to humans, but I’m wondering with the rest of the generations! I tried looking around but I haven’t seen anything about it.
Good question..
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Powder's head matches up with about Megan's collarbone. The 50th percentile for 13 year old girls is a bit over five feet. I'd say they're roughly a bit under 4 feet??

Oh wow, they're tiny then! I always assumed they were just a little smaller than a standard horse. But I don't know much about horses/ponies, either. I guess I never paid attention to their size ratio to Megan's in the show/movie.

Does that mean the dolls are not made to scale vis a vis the ponies??

Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: dannahbanana on March 11, 2021, 09:06:39 PM
I have a wooden cabinet where I keep all my ponies until I move to a bigger place and have room for shelves. When I open the cabinet that G1 pony smell just WHOOSH floods my nostrils. It's kind of addicting??? What did they put into this plastic so that they smell so sweet? I know I'm not the only one out there addicted to that smell!
:lol:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Zapper on March 12, 2021, 04:19:14 AM
I don't know if you are from the US or not, but I am not and I still immediatly recognize what "slaves working the fields" looks like. Even if I wasn't aware of zebras being African I would have still recognized the time period and conditions. Especially when you see cute cartoon characters for children smiling smugly overlooking or punishing the sadfaced workers. Jebus Christ.
It takes a lot of unawareness to not understand such fanarts. No offense to you.

I know some people say it's ok to create such fanarts as long as they are relegated to websites kids shouldn't be on. But the subject matter is just too messed up and any kind of fanart can just be spread and pop up on image searches even with safety precautions put in place. And the worst thing is about these fanarts: the show gave them an excuse to draw it. Because the show put that portrayal out there, not knowing it would attract racists to a kids cartoon. That's my issue.

No offense taken, I simply didn't understand what I was looking at.  I didn't realise that zebras were supposed to be working in the field, I just saw that they were in the field (one appeared to be eating a watermelon, from what I remember.) and Applejack was stood by the fence (I think leaning on it) looking smug dressed in what I took to be a Colonel Sanders outfit (sorry if it wasn't.)  If I hadn't seen complaints about racism surrounding it, I would have thought the joke was that Applejack was farming the zebras.

I am not American, but it's more my own lack of knowledge than anything.

Sorry for sounding harsh in my previous answer to you, I was just really baffled. But the way you describe it, it sounds like you came across one of the tamer depictions. I sadly saw a lot of violent material.

And G4s are about Fallabella size (25 in/2 ft)

Have we ever had an official size comparison between an Equestria Girl and a FiMmy? Like, were they ever depicted next to each other in-show? Because I feel the FiMmys would be larger than a Fallabella. Their giant heads alone should give them more height :lol: And Celestia would probably be Okapi size, she sure looks like a small giraffe.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 12, 2021, 07:18:39 AM
Maybe? Didn't they sell a few doll/pony packs? Coulda swore I saw one at Kohl's, though I could be mistaken.


Lol at Okapi-Celestia. Well now I need to know how big an okapi is. I've never seen one ip.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on March 12, 2021, 07:30:05 AM
Have we ever had an official size comparison between an Equestria Girl and a FiMmy? Like, were they ever depicted next to each other in-show? Because I feel the FiMmys would be larger than a Fallabella. Their giant heads alone should give them more height :lol: And Celestia would probably be Okapi size, she sure looks like a small giraffe.
We've never had them stand next to each other! Just the fan comparison of Fluttershies and bunnies.
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Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 12, 2021, 08:02:30 AM
It says okapis are 6-8 ft. Dang!  :blink:

ETA: I took out my Celestia and compared her. She isn't that big. She's the size of my G2 and G3s.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 13, 2021, 08:37:41 AM
Ooh I can't wait. I've got two pretty but baity ponies coming my way to do a cross-gen custom and show only custom with.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: JanuaryJoy on March 13, 2021, 11:19:05 AM
OK, does anybody else squish the heads of their softer ponies (mostly G1) really hard to see what cursed expressions you can make when you're bored? I feel like that's irresponsible for a collector, but... It doesn't permanently distort or damage anything, soooo...

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I feel like some of these pictures have serious meme potential... Tabby's first image is probably what the first person to oxiclean boil a Princess Pony looked like after realizing their grave mistake...
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on March 13, 2021, 11:39:01 AM
January, I love it. XD
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Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 13, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
OK, does anybody else squish the heads of their softer ponies (mostly G1) really hard to see what cursed expressions you can make when you're bored? I feel like that's irresponsible for a collector, but... It doesn't permanently distort or damage anything, soooo...

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I feel like some of these pictures have serious meme potential... Tabby's first image is probably what the first person to oxiclean boil a Princess Pony looked like after realizing their grave mistake...


:lmao:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: JanuaryJoy on March 13, 2021, 07:43:50 PM
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DUDE, I'M JUST DEAD... YOU WIN, I LAUGHED. :haha:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on March 13, 2021, 08:48:03 PM
January, I love it. XD
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Is this how Hasbro came up with the G5 designs?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 13, 2021, 11:36:33 PM
XD Those pictures are so funny...xD but the G5 comment...(dies).

...It reminds me of that panel at ponycon where people were bouncing columbian babies. Because they bounce.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 14, 2021, 08:13:47 AM
January, I love it. XD
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Is this how Hasbro came up with the G5 designs?

:rofl: Yes, that's exactly how they came up with them.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Griffin on March 14, 2021, 08:18:55 AM
Omigosh those are hilarious! :lmao:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Heart Of Midnight on March 14, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
My coffee almost flew from my mouth to the computer screen when I saw those pony face squeezing pictures!  :haha: :whew:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Pheasant on March 15, 2021, 05:34:14 AM
I am literally in tears over these photos. You guys just made my day.  :lol:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Shaiyeh on March 15, 2021, 01:43:08 PM
OMG, I needed those today! love it, I have to go squish some ponies now xD :lmao:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: SpacePinto on March 15, 2021, 04:02:24 PM
This thread just gave me an idea that you could take one of those pressure-activated sound boxes they put in teddy bears, record Bart Simpson's "Ow! Quit it!" line on it and put it in a Gusty's head, it would make it kind of fun to squish her.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 15, 2021, 10:29:22 PM
:D
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: MJNSEIFER on March 22, 2021, 12:05:49 PM
Sorry for sounding harsh in my previous answer to you, I was just really baffled. But the way you describe it, it sounds like you came across one of the tamer depictions. I sadly saw a lot of violent material.
It's fine and understandable.  I'm sorry to hear that you were subjected to violent material.  If it helps, I don't think you sounded harsh, I probably just thought it was me missing something.  Sorry I'm late in responding to this.
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: starrynights on March 23, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
Love those squished ponies! :rofl:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Snapdragon on March 23, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
I'm so glad I checked back in on this thread, those squished ponies are KILLING ME! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 29, 2021, 11:19:44 AM
Have you ever noticed,  that whenever you get ready to buy a pony on your wishlist, the prices usually sky rocket?
Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Taffeta on March 29, 2021, 12:10:51 PM
Have you ever noticed,  that whenever you get ready to buy a pony on your wishlist, the prices usually sky rocket?

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Title: Re: Random/off topic pony thoughts
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 29, 2021, 12:13:42 PM
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