I'd like to see if they add anything to the story, hopefully something with Nala and Scar like in the musical?They revealed the voice cast a year ago, they're definitely adding new characters! I'd like to see what they add to the story. Seeing the Scar and Nala scene would be cool, it makes the story more serious and dire and it makes Nala's escape from the Pridelands make more sense other than to just "get help".
The CG looks pretty good! This is one I'm going to see for sure.
Meh. I'm tired of sequels and live action remakes... I want to see something new.
Meh. I'm tired of sequels and live action remakes... I want to see something new.
I've also changed the topic title, by the way :)
I mean, in a 'real' lion pride Simba wouldn't be being trained to be the next king, either . . . He'd get a talk like "Someday, Simba, I'll drive you away when you reach adolescence and become a threat to me." :P I've always thought complaints about Disney lions not acting like 'real' lions are pretty questionable.
If I remember rightly, Lion King is based around the concept of Hamlet
Kimba.. it was inspired by Kimba.
I've only ever seen the original Lion King. Is the sequel worth seeing?
Kimba.. it was inspired by Kimba.
"Inspired" more like stolen.
My concern with "live action remakes" isn't the fact that it's "not new" or that it's unnecessary (which tbf it's totally unnecessary), but the fact that it's... live-action. It encourages the mindset that no one is allowed to like cartoons, cartoons are only made for the entertainment of young children, and never as an art form; Sophisticated Movies™ can only be live-action, because cartoons are for babies.
Nah, it's okay, believe it or not a lot of places have been asked not to call it live action anymore :PI've also changed the topic title, by the way :)
I was just being silly :P
I thought The Lion King 2 was weak. The idea that half the lionesses liked Scar's rule not only had no supporting evidence in the first film (because it's a blatant retcon) but it undermines the idea that Scar's getting more and more angry and unstable because people might fear him but they definitely don't LIKE him. Also it's hard to have any sympathy for lionesses who thought Scar's rule was good and then sat around in a gorge eating termites . . . ? Like, just because they were banned from the Pridelands doesn't mean they couldn't have walked the other direction and found somewhere to live that had grass and animals.I like the sequel, but I agree with what you said.
If you add the "Lion Guard" and Kion in to the story it gets even more complicated. :lol:Ford Riley, the show's creator, has stated that Kion's absence will be explained in Season 3 of The Lion Guard, so that's one less bit of confusion there at least? (By the way, this album (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/the-lion-king-collection-deluxe-edition/714571705) has both versions of Love Will Find a Way if that helps!)
Ponyfan
Nope, it feels like a cash grab and could be a one for one retread of the animated film. Now if they bring in plot and music from the musical then perhaps. If they don't use Lebo M and Hans Zimmer for the music I'm seriously done with it.
Why don't they remake their older films that NEED help, like The Black Cauldron (a book series I LOVED which they butchered and which flopped in the box office)
I honestly have not sat through an entire film of this Disney trend with live action. I tried Beauty and the Beast but found Emma Watson's singing to be too weak. I tried Jungle Book but just got bored. I like Disney because of the music and the animation. Taking away half that equation or making it look like realistic just makes me lose so much interest.
And like the Narnia series, if I recall, there are different characters in different times
I'm just hoping that Mulan remake will be good.
Instead of doing remakes Disney should do Night on Bald Mountain (only one of the segments I like in Fantasia). They have the planning of the movie in the works but no they decided to butcher Lion King.
I'm just hoping that Mulan remake will be good.
Instead of doing remakes Disney should do Night on Bald Mountain (only one of the segments I like in Fantasia). They have the planning of the movie in the works but no they decided to butcher Lion King.
I know you didn't say it.. but now I'm imagining a Fantasia remake (obviously the animated bits) ... Hahaha 😂
The centaur bit would just be the perfect blend of real life and CGI.
(I'm joking)
Kimba.. it was inspired by Kimba.
"Inspired" more like stolen.
Lol, well I wasn't going to go there.
I made my comment since I feel like rather than "let's reimagine Hamlet with animals", it was oh look at this already existing story...
Nala was originally given a bigger role where Scar tried to force her to be "his queen", she refused, and as a result she was banished. (This was the original reason she left . . . not "to find help.") I get why I dropped it because it was super creepy, like approaching Frollo territory. But I do think it was a great scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl8gDjaHWWA
Another change was originally Scar didn't let the rest of the pride know that he was teamed up with the hyenas until this point, where he used them to drive away Nala.
My concern with "live action remakes" isn't the fact that it's "not new" or that it's unnecessary (which tbf it's totally unnecessary), but the fact that it's... live-action. It encourages the mindset that no one is allowed to like cartoons, cartoons are only made for the entertainment of young children, and never as an art form; Sophisticated Movies™ can only be live-action, because cartoons are for babies.
I think you are projecting your own issues a bit.
I think you are projecting your own issues a bit.
I don't agree, I think that assessment is spot on. Yeah, this is going to be all CGI, but it's all "realistic" CGI as opposed to, like, Toy Story. Beauty and the Beast . . . live action. Cinderella . . . live action. Mulan . . . live action.
What we are not seeing is "we remade this classic animated feature as a new animated feature!" Because a lot of people, and apparently Disney, sees a live action (or "so realistic it looks like live action") movie as somehow being more legitimate than a cartoon. And I think it's a shame.
It also reminds me of a discussion in the shoutbox about Watership Down, a new animated version of which is airing on TV in the UK at least over Christmas, and the idea that it couldn't be a kid's story, because the film is brutal - but the story was written for the author's kids who were six and eight at the time. (I know this as weirdly there was an interview with said daughters in a magazine here this week). So I think the concept of what is for kids and what isn't, whether animation is or isn't is much more complicated. (I also don't think Watership Down is particularly disturbing, but that's largely because as a kid I watched the animated episodes of FArthing Wood which were brutal as a kids' show, and read the books, which were more so) so I wonder if even kids really need everything to be happy and shiny :/
This thread has inspired me to listen to some of the songs from the Broadway Show. :) I hope they will keep that section of the score from when Mufasa appears to adult Simba. I think it's one of my favorite scores in the movie.
I'd love to see more of Scar destroying the land/letting the hyenas take over than we saw in the original movie.
It would be nice if they found unused lyrics or songs that were inteneded to be in the orginal film but were cut. The live action Beauty and the Beast included lyrics for "Gaston" that didn't make it in to the animated film and the Little Mermaid on Broadway added "Her Voice" I think Aladdin's "Proud of Your Boy" was also meant to be in the animated flim but was cut also.
Ponyfan
Remember how someone said that Be Prepared wouldn't be in the movie? Well, perhaps it will be after all:
https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Be-Prepared-Will-Be-Featured-in-THE-LION-KING-Live-Action-Film-20190203
Like...cats can emote? Any of the animators have a cat? Put his ears down or something.
I also think they should have 'cheated' the photorealism and made his eyes bigger.
They better be careful or they'll shoot themselves in the foot and they'll only have themselves to blame.
I find it amusing to watch the tidal shift in merchandise from when these films (animated) original debuted in the 90s. Now, most of the vector art being used was used back then for kids clothes and hardly ever did it feature for anyone above the age of 12. Now? All over the place and I love it.
As a teenager in the 90s, I had to make basically my own iron-on transfers to get the shirts I wanted and was teased something awful for it. Who's laughing now? Thought so.
They better be careful or they'll shoot themselves in the foot and they'll only have themselves to blame.
It has its critics, but I unfortunately think the CGI Lion King will do extremely well. I couldn't believe the reception the trailer got, "wow, it looks sooooo good!! Right in the nostalgia!! The feels!! Baby Simba so cute!! Beyonce Nala!! I'm definitely going to see this it looks amazing!" :pout:
People hopefully will get tired of remakes but I've been waiting for the superhero craze to burn out for years and they're still coming...
I wouldn't mind them doing voiceovers (like Homeward Bound), that could be interesting. But don't we see Scar talking at some point with his mouth moving? Or did I imagine that?
I think it's interesting a lot of people are on the same page, whether they like the movie or not, that the CG characters not being able to emote properly was a bad idea.
A lot of critics are pointing out that the visuals reminded them of watching a Disney technology demo reel.
I think it's interesting a lot of people are on the same page, whether they like the movie or not, that the CG characters not being able to emote properly was a bad idea.
A lot of critics are pointing out that the visuals reminded them of watching a Disney technology demo reel.
Welp. Sounds exactly how I imagined it.. thats sad.
I'll pass..
I hate the "cartoons are for kids; live-action is for adults" stance so I'm living for all the negative talk for The Lion King.
I hate the "cartoons are for kids; live-action is for adults" stance so I'm living for all the negative talk for The Lion King.Wanna know what I find hilarious? Thus far, ALL of the 2019 movie apparel I've seen has been for kids, and all of the adult clothing has featured their animated counterparts :P
Now Disney's Lady and the Tramp remake? That's live action. Real dogs with some CG enhanced talking mouths.
I took a decision not to go see Aladdin because it was my favourite Disney film as a kid (and I will watch it probably when it comes on TV but I didn't want to spend money on something I will probably rant about xD)