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Title: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: ashlyne on August 01, 2018, 07:17:39 AM
EDIT:   If you currently have ebay listings or are automatically renewing listings, your pony auctions may be getting lumped into a very broad category with Star Wars, Disney and other TV Movie Character Toys!   Please help make our searches easier and check your listing options to make sure it gets into the right "Character Family - My Little Pony"  and Decade <3

So the "My Little Pony" and "Pre-1990" section is now gone from the main category listing!    It just seems to go to "TV, Movie & Character Toys", with no further breakdowns of that category. I started to set up a mock ebay listing, and again, nothing past that category. The only place I see the Pre-1990 category is on older listings.

It doesn't just lump all pony generations (G1, G2, G3, FiM, Equestria Girls, etc)   There are thousands of toys in this category, including Star Wars and Disney toys. 

If you'd like to let ebay know what you think, you can do that here.   :work:
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http://connect.ebay.com/srv/survey/a/search.srp.node?ctx=url%3D%2Fsch%2F2624%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3Dmy%2Blittle%2Bpony%2B%26LH_TitleDesc%3D0%26LH_TitleDesc%3D0

If this is a permanent thing, here are some helpful tips.   Let's say you do a search for "Accessories" in this TV Movie Character Toys.   Use the category options to the left to help narrow things down a bit.

Under CHARACTER FAMILY, you can select "My Little Pony"
Under BRAND, you can select "Hasbro"
Under DECADE, you can select "1980s"

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This will help, but there are a few problems with this.

First, any current auctions, auctions that are automatically getting listed by sellers who don't know about these changes, and new auctions by sellers who aren't going to bother specifying Character Family and Decade (which are optional, not required when listing) will get filtered out of your search above.     

Under each of these three category options, you can select "not specified" to include those auctions. However you're going to get hundreds of auctions you don't need across all toy lines and decades and companies.   

Some sellers are more specific in their listing titles so you can add things like "Vintage" or "old" to your searches, but as we all know, not every seller gets this detailed or uses the same terminology. 





Title: Re: Ebay search question
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 01, 2018, 07:40:29 AM
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Oh dear, this is going to make it very annoying.
Littlest Pet Shop still has a separate section, which is odd if MLP is missing theirs.
Title: Re: Ebay search question
Post by: katrine2309 on August 01, 2018, 08:07:19 AM
I couldn’t find it either, but they must have changed it recently. I just did a search two days ago :huh:
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 01, 2018, 09:44:04 AM
Left them some feedback. At best, they'd include categories for each individual gen, but I'm okay with restoring it the way it was.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: ashlyne on August 01, 2018, 09:45:55 AM
Left them some feedback. At best, they'd include categories for each individual gen, but I'm okay with restoring it the way it was.

Ya, it never was really accurate, was it :P   But it was better than it is currently. 
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 01, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
I've been dreading this day, but I knew it would happen eventually.  They used to have a bunch of different categories for Transformers (G1, G2, Beast Era, Japanese) but years ago they mashed them into one category.

I guess, from eBay's perspective, it's easier to have one 'catch-all' category that they never have to update as opposed to keeping up with the various generations of toys / items.  But from a collector's perspective, it sucks.

Edit:  YIKES, I didn't realize the MLP category was gone altogether!  Even worse than I thought!
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: ashlyne on August 01, 2018, 11:15:13 AM

Edit:  YIKES, I didn't realize the MLP category was gone altogether!  Even worse than I thought!

Off to the left, you can narrow down the TV Movie Characters category by "Character Family" and find My Little Pony in there.  There are other options to narrow it down, such as Brand (Hasbro) and Type (which doesn't help much).   But I checked to see if the Character Family was an optional or mandatory specification when you set up an auction, and it's optional. It's sort of buried in the options you're given. So I would guess there will be a lot of sellers that are going to overlook this and many auctions won't get sorted into that category.   You do have to specify brand when listing, so selecting Hasbro would at least filter out Funko brands.

Searching for "My Little Pony Lot" within the Hasbro brand brings up 2,714 auctions which include all generations.   2,698 are under the My Little Pony Character Family, 1 Care Bears Character Family, and 9 "not specified" Character Family.   So that's still 6 unaccounted for auctions?   

I was hoping this would be a temporary thing, but Transformers went through this, we're probably looking at a permanent thing here. 
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 01, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
Hmm . . . I feel like an unintended (or intended?) consequence of this will be that a lot of MLP merchandise (books, canteens, party hats, all the random stuff) are going to get put into other categories by sellers.   Like maybe a seller of G1 party hats will put them under "Party Supplies."

I also think a lot of sellers are going to stick MLP toys under "Pretend Play" or even "Dolls and Bears."  I think it will behoove buyers to search the entire toy category from now on . . .
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 01, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
 :mad:

WHAT is Ebay DOING!?!?

It was bad enough I had to slog through 10bazillion g4 blind bag, at least I could click the pre-1990 and hope people listed stuff correctly by year.

Jez...now we're probably going to have to slog through anything listed with the word 'pony' in it.

Where do I complain...er...give my feedback on this?

So stupid, Ebay, I had no words for you. I feel like ebay just unfriended me.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: himmie on August 01, 2018, 12:41:15 PM
Ugh, it was bad enough that so much G4 stuff ended up incorrectly placed in the Pre-1990 section because sellers didn't bother to change it. -_-
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on August 01, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
I noticed this today, I thought it was me >_<

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: ashlyne on August 01, 2018, 12:55:48 PM
:mad:

WHAT is Ebay DOING!?!?

It was bad enough I had to slog through 10bazillion g4 blind bag, at least I could click the pre-1990 and hope people listed stuff correctly by year.

Jez...now we're probably going to have to slog through anything listed with the word 'pony' in it.

Where do I complain...er...give my feedback on this?

So stupid, Ebay, I had no words for you. I feel like ebay just unfriended me.

Right here, KarenTheUnicorn:   http://connect.ebay.com/srv/survey/a/search.srp.node?ctx=url%3D%2Fsch%2F2624%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3Dmy%2Blittle%2Bpony%2B%26LH_TitleDesc%3D0%26LH_TitleDesc%3D0

I'm guessing all of my saved search notifications are going to be screwy too.   *sigh*   I don't even want to think about what it's going to take to fix all those.....if I even can.

I have one set up for stickers in the Pre-1990 category.   I guess I'm going to have to set it up to exclude "FiM, G2,G3, G3.5, Friendship, Equestria … oh good grief, it STILL has a ton of non-G1 stickers I'll have to sort through.  I could add in the word "vintage" but so many sellers (even collectors) aren't used to using that term because it was already in a category that indicated it was vintage.     And so many people think G3s are vintage  :sleepy:
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: katrine2309 on August 01, 2018, 01:48:18 PM

So stupid, Ebay, I had no words for you. I feel like ebay just unfriended me.

Yes! This is my exact feeling too- despite the frustrating topic this made me laugh a little :lookround:

eBay obviously hasn’t fully understood the term “information overload”  :blink:
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: Sweet Daes on August 01, 2018, 02:24:36 PM
I think it has to do with this:
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/Grouped-Listings-Gives-Buyers-an-Improved-Search-Experience/ba-p/27592154

I think they are trying to dumb things down passed the Joe Shmoe level and creating a "catalog", but I can't figure out how this is supposed to be better considering eBay is a gigantic eFlea-market with all sorts of sellers and all sorts of buyers.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: himmie on August 01, 2018, 02:31:54 PM
I think it has to do with this:
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/Grouped-Listings-Gives-Buyers-an-Improved-Search-Experience/ba-p/27592154

I think they are trying to dumb things down passed the Joe Shmoe level and creating a "catalog", but I can't figure out how this is supposed to be better considering eBay is a gigantic eFlea-market with all sorts of sellers and all sorts of buyers.

I see how this could be useful when searching for some new items but it's going to be a disaster for pony stuff.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: Sweet Daes on August 01, 2018, 02:50:13 PM
I think it has to do with this:
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/Grouped-Listings-Gives-Buyers-an-Improved-Search-Experience/ba-p/27592154

I think they are trying to dumb things down passed the Joe Shmoe level and creating a "catalog", but I can't figure out how this is supposed to be better considering eBay is a gigantic eFlea-market with all sorts of sellers and all sorts of buyers.

I see how this could be useful when searching for some new items but it's going to be a disaster for pony stuff.

Yuh.

I don't know why they need to remove search options at all since I would think it would be a preference to be able to refine right from a click-by-click menu.

And if it's that awful then why don't they have it as an account preference to search between the two if it would be that much of an improvement for a certain set of users. This is now more toward Etsy levels of poor search refinements.

Oh, wait. I am using logic...
I shouldn't try to muddy the water with such sacrilegious talk.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 01, 2018, 03:09:59 PM
Thanks Ashlyne for the link,

I did my part and complained, not sure what good it will do.

Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: heftysmurf76 on August 01, 2018, 03:34:24 PM
I did my part and complained, I can't believe they have done this, my searches are ALL messed up now, I told them they are going to lose my business!!! so angry!  :enraged:
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: Taffeta on August 01, 2018, 04:07:18 PM
Thanks Ashlyne for the link,

I did my part and complained, not sure what good it will do.



I did so too. It's stupid. I already have problems with navigating websites. Removing the MLP category is just going to make it worse.

Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: goddessofpeep on August 01, 2018, 04:41:56 PM
And yet again ebay "fixes" something that was never broken in a pathetic attempt to become a crappy version of Amazon.

Ebay: 
You're not Amazon.  You never will be. 
Get over it. 
You're an online garage sale. Stop trying to be something you're not.  You want to be Amazon?  Invest in the overhead Amazon has like distribution networks, tens of thousands of employees,  and actual products and stock.  Don't want the expense?  Don't have the space to store millions of items?  Don't want the responsibility or the work required to actually get something into a customer's hands?   Want to keep taking a cut of everyone else's work while doing nothing yourself? 
Then stop trying to be Crappy Amazon!
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: Sweet Daes on August 01, 2018, 04:50:07 PM
And yet again ebay "fixes" something that was never broken in a pathetic attempt to become a crappy version of Amazon.

Ebay: 
You're not Amazon.  You never will be. 
Get over it. 
You're an online garage sale. Stop trying to be something you're not.  You want to be Amazon?  Invest in the overhead Amazon has like distribution networks, tens of thousands of employees,  and actual products and stock.  Don't want the expense?  Don't have the space to store millions of items?  Don't want the responsibility or the work required to actually get something into a customer's hands?   Want to keep taking a cut of everyone else's work while doing nothing yourself? 
Then stop trying to be Crappy Amazon!

Preach.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: banditpony on August 01, 2018, 05:02:44 PM
*shrug*
To be honest, this doesn't affect my way of using eBay so I don't care. I just put my search terms in and get what I need.



Anyway, I found this.
https://www.ebay.com/b/My-Little-Pony-Toys/47227/bn_1924159
Which looks dumb, but maybe it's a WIP.
eBay> Toys & Hobbies > TV, Movie & Character Toys > My Little Pony Toys
(although I cannot ADD to this category if I "sell" something)

And ETA:
https://www.ebay.com/b/Kenner-My-Little-Pony-Toys/47227/bn_1924145

eBay> Toys & Hobbies > TV, Movie & Character Toys > My Little Pony Toys > Kenner My Little Pony Toys
(A category for G2?)

ETA#2  (From the first link I showed).
Quote
What are the generations of My Little Pony?
Hasbro began production on My Little Pony dolls and toys in 1982 and have since made four generations. Fan favorites such as Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, and Applejack were introduced in the first generation. For collectors, it is important to know these generations so that you can collect from the generations of your choice.

First generation: These My Little Ponies were released in 1982 and produced until 1982. These are the most valuable to collectors.
Second generation: The second generation of ponies began production in 1997.
Third generation: The third generation of ponies began production in 2003.
Fourth generation: The fourth generation began in 2010.

;) It's somewhat of an attempt, but... *face palm* ... 1982... to 1982... Rainbow Dash...

eBay appears to be aware of the different generations, so yeah, looks more positive then negative.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 01, 2018, 05:22:34 PM
If they've got other brands that have breakdowns...Example, barbie still has her breakdown that was in some ways similar to MLP:

Dolls
Barbie Contemporary (1973-Now)
Barbie Vintage (Pre-1973)

Although barbie had a even better breakdown because they had a few more breakdowns for the barbie category which to me seemed like they were allowed to many.

Tonner dolls, has a good breakdown for his different dolls and he's hardly producing dolls anymore under his name...he stopped making Ellowyne last year but Tonner still gets multiple categories associated with his dolls.

All MLP had was 2 fricking breakdown in it's category, hardly a reason to remove it and leave the others up.

So all I'm looking for is fairness. If the other toys/brands have their breakdowns then ponies should have theirs as well.

EVEN my child dolls have their own category and they were only made in the USA for a couple years back in the 80's. I'd rather see their category removed and simply have them listed under mattel dolls, because a lot of times people don't even realize what a MC doll is anyway.

I've never even liked MLP under the TV toy category, I always thought they should simply list by the company. Hasbro, then drop down to the various brands of toys, MLP, Transformers whatever else junk they sell. Then if needed do breakdown by generation.

Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: banditpony on August 01, 2018, 05:36:17 PM
Did you read my post Karen?

It looks like they are in the middle of making categories.
Brand categories are like:
My Little Pony Toys > Hasbro My Little Pony Toys
My Little Pony Toys > Ty My Little Pony Toys
My Little Pony Toys > Playskool My Little Pony Toys

Type categories:
My Little Pony Toys > My Little Pony Figures
My Little Pony Toys > Doll My Little Pony Toys
My Little Pony Toys > My Little Pony Toys Playsets

It's all wrong, and it's very unorganized. It looks like a WIP.

But they mention generations on the new MLP category page... so I'm THINKING maybe they'll add generations as a sorting tool like before.
eBay > Toys & Hobbies > TV, Movie & Character Toys > My Little Pony Toys
https://www.ebay.com/b/My-Little-Pony-Toys/47227/bn_1924159

Pokemon too looks like it's in the middle of a revamp.

Also found this.
*twitch* Which looks less positive then what I was poking around at.
https://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/growing/categorychanges/toys.html
although maybe they just had to move it first before branching it off... ... I mean, by the sounds of that page DISNEY got all merged. ETA: yeah double checking -- it looks like Disney all got merged, and you know that's stupid. so I am still hopeful there are better changes coming.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: Clipper on August 01, 2018, 06:04:38 PM
It just got removed on the app on my phone. I checked earlier when I saw this post, and it still had the sub cat. Now it’s gone. I think there needs to be a g1, g2, g3 and fim sections. Also a merchandise section would be nice too. I have requested it to eBay in the past but it didn’t get approved.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 01, 2018, 06:45:58 PM
Banditpony, unfortunately I think that page with the categories was created by a user who was a MLP fan, rather than being an "official" eBay breakdown or plan. Like a bare bones faux-Wikipedia entry for the brand.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: invaderhorizongreen on August 01, 2018, 07:14:54 PM
So glad I dont use ebay at this point, so very glad of that. Still what a huge pain the searching will be. Are they trying to drive it to the ground?   :shocked: :blink:
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: goddessofpeep on August 01, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
It looks like they're currently working on it.  It's all shifting around, and it keeps getting worse:/

I swear, the people that run ebay do not understand what makes ebay unique.  They have been putting policies to drive out smaller sellers of unique items in favor of drop-shippers from China for years - but those unique items from smaller sellers are why you go to ebay in the first place!  This is just another symptom of that.  You go to ebay for the stuff you can't get anywhere else.  If I want brand new stuff that's available for retail, I'll just go to Amazon.  There I get access to excellent customer service(no matter what I buy or where it's coming from), and a hassle free system if I have a problem with my item. 

The changes so far have basically made ebay useless for me now.  I search the MLP section for general things I'm looking for("accessory", "brushes", "sticker", etc) in the hopes that I'll get lucky.  Sellers don't always know what they have, or even if they do, a lot of times things are just vaguely titled.  So a vague search within a limited category usually produces what I'm looking for.  They don't even have a section for me to just sort by newly listed and go item by item. 

20+ years I've been on ebay, and this might be the straw that breaks the camel's back for me.  I did an accessory search just now, and it pulled up 90% single loose G3 ponies with no accessories at all, and as far as I can tell, no accessories mentioned in the listing.  It's not even pulling up the right items!  I'm supposed to buy things this way?   Are they hoping I'll find so many other unrelated items while I try to find the one thing I'm actually looking for that I'll just start a shopping spree?
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: heftysmurf76 on August 01, 2018, 09:53:13 PM
you know what else really pisses me off about this change??? Not only am I disgusted as a buyer, but I am currently trying to SELL MLP stuff and its going to get lost in this shuffle. I am seething!

I wish we could have a concise complaint that gets sent to them repeatedly, like put together something and copy and paste it like a campaign...
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: banditpony on August 02, 2018, 02:22:06 AM
Banditpony, unfortunately I think that page with the categories was created by a user who was a MLP fan, rather than being an "official" eBay breakdown or plan. Like a bare bones faux-Wikipedia entry for the brand.

How does a fan have the ability to create paths to different categories... and it's pulling information from the tagging that people are inserting when they list.

The page I got to everything was from eBay's official link for TV, Movie & Character Toys...
(There's Disney, Pokemon, Thomas, Star Wars, and MLP-- other things that got merged). I just don't find it a coincidence.

And I just don't see HOW they'd merge Disney without expanding on that. Ponies... sure. Disney, no.

Anyway, I don't meant to trivialize ... How does this affect people using eBay so bad?
Like it's no change to me and I just want to understand why many people are so upset
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: Taffeta on August 02, 2018, 02:34:10 AM
Banditpony, unfortunately I think that page with the categories was created by a user who was a MLP fan, rather than being an "official" eBay breakdown or plan. Like a bare bones faux-Wikipedia entry for the brand.

How does a fan have the ability to create paths?

Anyway, I don't meant to trivialize ... How does this affect people using eBay so bad?
Like it's no change to me and I just want to understand why many people are so upset

From my point of view, and this is just me, I have navigational issues...and that includes websites. So I have trouble finding things even on this site. WHen something changes that I already know how to use or find, it's really disorientating and it makes it much more difficult...especially with listing and such. So for me it's an unnecessary hassle of remapping the whole site so I can use it at all effectively.

I also use US ebay, UK Ebay, as well as French and German Ebays. The latter 2 have a different category each for MLP already. Messing around the categories makes it harder to switch a single auction from $ to £. Previously because the UK and US categories overlapped, it was possible to load a US auction, change the .com to .co.uk and get the price in £...but I am unsure if that is still possible. 

It's also just annoying.

If you're right about them reorganising the categories, some warning would be nice. And I twitch at Dash being connected to G1 as well, but if there are going to be actual generational categories, then maybe it will work out. I suspect not though. I want a category that means I don't have to scroll through G4 stuff to find G1.

Right now I am quite glad I have zero money for ponies, as this would really put me off buying anything.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: banditpony on August 02, 2018, 02:45:37 AM
So, last time categories was brought up...

I noticed pretty much 99% of My Little Pony items in the My Little Pony category HAD My Little pony in the subject.

So if you searched "My Little Pony" the same items came up. (And you could sort between the two categories which i NEVER did because of the idiots who put things in strange categories). I might not find MLP paper plates if they put it in a home goods section, ya know?

So I can understand how this affects you Taffeta if you have navigation problems... re-mapping is a big deal but for others, I'm not understanding.

It all stems down to I never used the categories... so I'm just trying to understand.
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: BlackCurtains on August 02, 2018, 03:17:40 AM
I never used them either. I just use keywords  :shrug:
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: PoserBeachball on August 02, 2018, 04:46:53 AM
Well my bank-balance will be healthier as I'll stop browsing and picking up a pony who is not on my wishlist/keyword search but that piques my fancy.  Shame, as those serendipitous finds have been a lot of fun.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: emily_katie on August 02, 2018, 07:32:23 AM
I used to use the categories to cut out all of the G4  stuff I don't care about and I don't want. Sometimes sellers listed a g1 lot lets say as 'My little pony lot' Because they don't know about different generations, But they would know how old they were if you get me? I cant wait to spend hours sifting through G4 Blind bags now  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 02, 2018, 07:33:33 AM
*makes pre-coffee noises*  why must Ebay make things MORE difficult?
Title: Re: Ebay search question - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 02, 2018, 07:39:01 AM
It all stems down to I never used the categories... so I'm just trying to understand.
I'll throw in my problem with it:
When there was the category for pre-1990, it was much easier for me to only look at G1 ponies. Sure, you'd have a few mislabeled lots in there, but buy and large it was the easiest way to filter out G4 merch.
Of course, you can always throw G1 or Retro or Vintage in as a keyword, but not everyone would label their lots as such. Non-collectors are unfamiliar with the term G1, and some people forget to use Vintage altogether. By sorting by pre-1990, it catches all of the lots that people just named as "MLP Blue Lot Bait".
Now, it feels like I'll miss out on some lots by putting G1 as a keyword, or Vintage.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: bright rabbit 1 on August 02, 2018, 07:50:04 AM
I don't like the change they did on My Little Pony. Hence why I only look for Barbie dolls now. Need a whole army of articulated male dolls for my male Attack on Titan Barbie dolls.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: banditpony on August 02, 2018, 08:02:37 AM
It all stems down to I never used the categories... so I'm just trying to understand.
I'll throw in my problem with it:
When there was the category for pre-1990, it was much easier for me to only look at G1 ponies. Sure, you'd have a few mislabeled lots in there, but buy and large it was the easiest way to filter out G4 merch.
Of course, you can always throw G1 or Retro or Vintage in as a keyword, but not everyone would label their lots as such. Non-collectors are unfamiliar with the term G1, and some people forget to use Vintage altogether. By sorting by pre-1990, it catches all of the lots that people just named as "MLP Blue Lot Bait".
Now, it feels like I'll miss out on some lots by putting G1 as a keyword, or Vintage.

You can filter out things with keywords too

my little pony -g3 -g4 -blind -friendship -funko

and you can filter a time period (1980)

Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: ashlyne on August 02, 2018, 08:21:07 AM
I personally used the category breakdowns all the time in my search notifications.  I left out "my little pony" on purpose because you get sellers that only know them as "ponies". Or "pretty pony".  Or people abbreviate with MLP. Or misspell one of the words (littel being one of them.....this is how I found a Licensing Show Pinkie Pie!).  Or don't use "my" and just use "little pony".  I've seen quite a few auctions that don't include the full My Little Pony phrase, and have found some real treasures with little bidding competition because of it.   

I have used the (-) to filter out the whole Friendship is Magic thing, but man does it get cluttered fast.  You've also got Equestria Girls, Guardians of Harmony, GoH to add to the list, and there are still so many sellers that don't use those key words.  I'm still getting all kinds of party supplies, kids beauty toys, general accessories.... It's just not as precise or clean as the old way, in my opinion.   

Maybe once all the old listings clear out and *IF* ebay requires the seller to specify the decade, things might improve over time.    But for now, current auctions and relisted auctions aren't even being put into a My Little Pony category unless the seller changes it manually. Many of them don't know about the change. So unless you want to miss out on a lot of auctions, you kind of have to include the "not specified" category for both the DECADE and the CHARACTER FAMILY. At least for now.

This may not affect everyone, but it sure throws a big wrench into how I search for ponies.  Big time. 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: banditpony on August 02, 2018, 08:29:41 AM

I have used the (-) to filter out the whole Friendship is Magic thing, but man does it get cluttered fast.  You've also got Equestria Girls, Guardians of Harmony, GoH to add to the list, and there are still so many sellers that don't use those key words. 
Yeah but if you set that up as a saved search then it's pretty easy...

And a lot of typo things get corrected
"vintage toy horse 1984 figurine"
Will bring up the MLP listing that has "littel"

I used to put in typos to get deals in the early days

I mean don't get me wrong, it's a inconvenience but I have doubts it's long term.. and there's other filters then the category
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: ashlyne on August 02, 2018, 08:36:08 AM

I have used the (-) to filter out the whole Friendship is Magic thing, but man does it get cluttered fast.  You've also got Equestria Girls, Guardians of Harmony, GoH to add to the list, and there are still so many sellers that don't use those key words. 
Yeah but if you set that up as a saved search then it's pretty easy...

And a lot of typo things get corrected
"vintage toy horse 1984 figurine"
Will bring up the MLP listing that has "littel"

I used to put in typos to get deals in the early days

I mean don't get me wrong, it's a inconvenience but I have doubts it's long term.. and there's other filters then the category

Oh I definitely have saved searches and it's part of the headache.   I have one for Rapunzel.   My search notification this morning says there are 700+ new auctions  that popped up overnight for Rapunzel  :shocked:   :lmao:     Ya, no.   It's flooded with Disney stuff.  So I have to change it, resave it, delete the old one.   

Another specific search I set up for MIB items now includes 21 MILLION auctions. 

Once I get them all changed, it'll be better, but it's going to take a long time. I have ...a lot … of these searches set up.  And most of them will need the tag added -g2 -g3 -fim -brony -friendship -guardians -equestria -oh-what-ever-else-that's-been-suggested.   

I do hope they make improvements. The biggest reason I want to get the word out is to notify ebay sellers.   If they can adjust their auctions, get used to specifying character family and decade, that will go a long way in helping their buyers.    Right now,  there are too many auctions that aren't specific enough.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: therestornadosinmysoup on August 02, 2018, 08:40:22 AM
No wonder I couldn't find anything I looked for today LOL Just oceans & oceans of G4 blind bags etc. I hope the change isn't permanent.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: banditpony on August 02, 2018, 08:52:01 AM
Once I get them all changed, it'll be better, but it's going to take a long time. I have ...a lot … of these searches set up.  And most of them will need the tag added -g2 -g3 -fim -brony -friendship -guardians -equestria -oh-what-ever-else-that's-been-suggested.   

I do hope they make improvements. The biggest reason I want to get the word out is to notify ebay sellers.   If they can adjust their auctions, get used to specifying character family and decade, that will go a long way in helping their buyers.    Right now,  there are too many auctions that aren't specific enough.

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Yeah I feel like it'll take me awhile to fix my searches too.

Oh yah. Totally good for sellers to know.. and buyers.

My point is to everyone is that I think that the system is changing.. it looks to be a work in progress and reorganizing the folder structures. Put down the pitch forks because there is a change  >_<

I doubt they got rid of the MLP category/ies for good

and, personally, I think it really SHOULD change because it was very dated...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 02, 2018, 09:16:57 AM
You can filter out things with keywords too

my little pony -g3 -g4 -blind -friendship -funko

and you can filter a time period (1980)
Good point, I may have to just hope they put the appropriate time period.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: banditpony on August 02, 2018, 09:27:20 AM
You can filter out things with keywords too

my little pony -g3 -g4 -blind -friendship -funko

and you can filter a time period (1980)
Good point, I may have to just hope they put the appropriate time period.

Maybe, maybe not :(
But i just wanted yo throw it out as a hopeful possible option
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 02, 2018, 01:09:36 PM
Generally most people are going to put plastic toy horses under my little pony. Even people that should know a little about ponies still have no clue. My father has been around MLP since..well 1983, but he still wouldn't have a clue on telling someone the difference in a plastic fakie and a real MLP.

So generally I think most people that were selling on ebay who didn't know MLP just put plastic toy ponies under MLP if they were aware of what MLP was...they might not automatically know it's hasbro, but they've more than likely heard of My Little Pony.

I'm not sure we need a category for My Little Pony Dolls, because ya know what is going to happen, some people call the actual ponies, dolls.

I do happen to remember a doll seller complaining that ebay wasn't allowing them to put Tonner clothing under the Tonner dolls section, they were being made to move it to modern doll clothing or something. Sorry, I have no clue why that would happen, I just remember someone complaining on a facebook forum.

It's completely stupid if something like that happens.

If you want to understand why some people might be upset about this, as a seller it was easier to have it the way it was, and simpler is generally better for buyer and sellers. Constantly changing and moving things makes it more difficult to understand.

Why they want to try and fix something that isn't broken is one reason why people are getting frustrated with them and no longer want to use them anymore and are turning to other sites.

It's fine for those who searched a different way, we get that for some it doesn't matter, I'm just thinking as a long time seller it can be frustrating to have to go figure out what the heck category we're supposed to use now, and as a long time buy ending up with a bunch of garbage in your search is going to turn you off to the site.

So I'm thinking maybe a little understanding on why people are annoyed and why some people would have bigger problems with this change than others. Plus some people like me need to rant about crap like this to get it out of my system.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: Taffeta on August 02, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
The comparison is I guess when a supermarket completely rearranges its shelves and it takes 3x as long to do the same shopping trip...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on August 02, 2018, 01:59:24 PM
The comparison is I guess when a supermarket completely rearranges its shelves and it takes 3x as long to do the same shopping trip...
Supermarkets do that for a reason though.
Your grocery shopping experience is carefully curated and arranged so that necessities are around the outside of the store perimeter, ensuring maximum viewing of the middle shelves, end caps and promotions.  Stores are not arranged for our convenience, but for maximizing sales.  Even each individual shelf is focus-group tested and placements are highly competitive - many brands pay chain stores for the premium shelf spots while smaller brands get crowded out to the top or bottom. And reorganizing a grocery store makes customers re-learn all the aisles, so they end up viewing more products, which translates to more sales.  Same reason why all the candy and incidentals get bunched up at the checkout aisles; captive audience.

This though?  This is not sensible.  It makes it harder for buyers to view items they want to purchase and harder for sellers to get views from people who want what they have.  It's like throwing in lingerie and plumbing and industrial fertilizer into the bakery section.  Sure you might get a few sales but most people are looking for bread or sweets!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: Taffeta on August 02, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Yeah, I know that's the rationale behind supermarkets, although in my experience (bearing in mind I can't navigate) it basically makes the whole thing a bigger nusiance and nightmare. And the website is the same situation. Can't find anything in its normal place - give up and go elsewhere.

I don't actually know anyone who has ever fallen for the marketing trick, either. But I have heard a lot of people complain about the time they waste trying to find things they need - and these are people who can navigate, so it isn't just me.

It takes me a really long time to learn a route to find anything anywhere, if I even manage to - it's really dispiriting when all that hard work is rendered void by idiocy.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on August 02, 2018, 02:20:14 PM
Yeah, I know that's the rationale behind supermarkets, although in my experience (bearing in mind I can't navigate) it basically makes the whole thing a bigger nusiance and nightmare. And the website is the same situation. Can't find anything in its normal place - give up and go elsewhere.

I don't actually know anyone who has ever fallen for the marketing trick, either. But I have heard a lot of people complain about the time they waste trying to find things they need - and these are people who can navigate, so it isn't just me.

It takes me a really long time to learn a route to find anything anywhere, if I even manage to - it's really dispiriting when all that hard work is rendered void by idiocy.
People don't realize that product placement affects them, but it absolutely, 100% does.  Scientifically proven.   Even if they don't buy more things (or more prominently placed brands), impressions count. Stores are one big advertisement.  But you need not take my word for it, there's plenty of really cool articles and videos on the subject:

Sneaky Psychology of Supermarkets (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/the-plate/2015/06/15/surviving-the-sneaky-psychology-of-supermarkets/)
Secrets of Supermarkets (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-secrets-of-our-supermarkets-8228864.html)
or videos for those who prefer them over articles (https://www.google.ca/search?q=science+behind+supermarket+product+placement&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEpaaPps_cAhVIwFkKHRqOCDUQ_AUICygC&biw=1628&bih=1099)

Knowing is half the battle!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: Taffeta on August 02, 2018, 02:47:44 PM
Not wanting to take it off topic, but the whole psychology of things like this is really interesting. There's also some research suggesting that autistic folk aren't susceptible to that same psychology because we miss the cues that other people pick up or use (I guess it's the same as not picking up social cues or sometimes body language correctly) and so aren't influenced by the 'meme' as such. I don't really know how true that is overall, but it's so interesting.

I mean, for me, the store having things in the same place is what makes me buy things. I buy things because I know where they are. If they aren't where they should be, I leave and go somewhere else, or I don't buy the item I can't find. So I sometimes wonder.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-fallible-mind/201708/why-advertising-falls-flat-in-individuals-autism

So going back on topic so as not to be derailing the thread, I think it is like supermarkets really. I mean, it's just as idiotic but there's also the possibility of widening people's product viewing by making them search harder or deal with broader categories to find the specific item they want. Bigger sales increases ebay's yield.

But for someone like me, I'm only going to buy ponies if I can find the ponies in the place the ponies should be. And if the ponies aren't there, then I'm not going to buy them. XD I get really irritated going through pages of irrelevant stuff, and that's when I usually turn off ebay.

So I think it's the same psychology...and it has the exact same effect on me as when a store changes its shelves...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: heftysmurf76 on August 02, 2018, 03:42:34 PM
Generally most people are going to put plastic toy horses under my little pony. Even people that should know a little about ponies still have no clue. My father has been around MLP since..well 1983, but he still wouldn't have a clue on telling someone the difference in a plastic fakie and a real MLP.

So generally I think most people that were selling on ebay who didn't know MLP just put plastic toy ponies under MLP if they were aware of what MLP was...they might not automatically know it's hasbro, but they've more than likely heard of My Little Pony.

I'm not sure we need a category for My Little Pony Dolls, because ya know what is going to happen, some people call the actual ponies, dolls.

I do happen to remember a doll seller complaining that ebay wasn't allowing them to put Tonner clothing under the Tonner dolls section, they were being made to move it to modern doll clothing or something. Sorry, I have no clue why that would happen, I just remember someone complaining on a facebook forum.

It's completely stupid if something like that happens.

If you want to understand why some people might be upset about this, as a seller it was easier to have it the way it was, and simpler is generally better for buyer and sellers. Constantly changing and moving things makes it more difficult to understand.

Why they want to try and fix something that isn't broken is one reason why people are getting frustrated with them and no longer want to use them anymore and are turning to other sites.

It's fine for those who searched a different way, we get that for some it doesn't matter, I'm just thinking as a long time seller it can be frustrating to have to go figure out what the heck category we're supposed to use now, and as a long time buy ending up with a bunch of garbage in your search is going to turn you off to the site.

So I'm thinking maybe a little understanding on why people are annoyed and why some people would have bigger problems with this change than others. Plus some people like me need to rant about crap like this to get it out of my system.


WELL Said!!!! :iconclap: :thumb: :iconclap:
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on August 02, 2018, 04:20:01 PM
Another thing we don't think about as much is that collectors may not be the primary demographic.  I really don't know, but most of the G4 toys are probably going to kids more than adults?  Adults may not care as much about which specific brightly coloured plastic equine they get, they just want something to give their kid(s).  I find this a bit dubious especially in the G1-G2 range simply because of the prices, but it could be true for more modern items.  And Ebay certainly seems to be trending towards more new crap and less garage sale. :c
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: Shadoweon on August 02, 2018, 04:32:45 PM
Ugh that sucks, I only collect G4 and have trouble finding some specific items as it is- now if other gens are mixed in it's just going to be even more to look through. -.-
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: banditpony on August 02, 2018, 05:48:59 PM
If you want to understand why some people might be upset about this, as a seller it was easier to have it the way it was, and simpler is generally better for buyer and sellers. Constantly changing and moving things makes it more difficult to understand.

I'm a seller. So I still don't understand what was easier. When I list it's exactly the same, with a little bit more custom tagging like the shoes category.

I put in my listing-- it suggests the category.
I tag it with the appropriate tags, so that people can sort accordingly. Fill or don't fill as needed.

Really what it seems like people are upset about is -- the path to the ponies changed (and right now there ISN'T a path to ponies)-- because they browse to search. That I understand. change can be annoying when you are used to the same thing for the past 10 years.

Or people who put in tricky searches to find things that might be listed wrong, but they can have a broad net to snatch deals.

But as a buyer AND seller since like pre-1999 days-- I'm the only one in this thread thinking THANK GOODNESS they are updating the sorting system to (what I hope is current. )

I mean -- I guess the way that I work is at first I was like OMG this is terrible -- I was ready to complain. Then my reflexes kick in to try to understand WHY...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: ashlyne on August 03, 2018, 05:52:18 AM
 If ebay would require these two things, I think the search issue would be 99% better. Maybe those that would like to complain, could add this to their message. (Complaints are better heard if a reasonable solution is made with it ;) )

1. Require sellers to select a Character Family (ie My Little Pony). If they have a lot with more than one character family, they should be allowed to select multiple choices.

2. Require sellers to select a decade. Again, in mixed lots, they could make multiple choices. I would prefer they set it up by generations since there is overlap, but it's probably too technical for ebay to care about.   But here's what I'd like to see for choices instead of decades:
~~1st Generation - 1982-1992 (or 1995 to include Dutch ponies and international merchandise?)
~~2nd Generation - 1997-2003
~~3rd Generation - 2003-2011
~~Friendship Is Magic (& Equestria Girls?) - 2010-present

I realize there will be a lot of people who don't know what decade they have, but most things have a stamp on them.  It's not a fool-proof solution, but I think it would go a long way to fix the current issues.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: banditpony on August 03, 2018, 08:58:29 AM
I totally agree with you Ashlyne. That's a good thing to ask for.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: katrine2309 on August 03, 2018, 09:18:10 AM
@banditpony: yes, when you put it like that - of course I agree with you. I am mostly frustrated because even though I deal with change quite well- we all have a threshold for that too. Timing wise I just really didn’t need Ebay to change something I have to try to understand and re-learn. It wasn’t necessarily better before, but I understood it :P Now, it might be better- but I still need to understand it to use it in a good way.

@Ashlyne: I agree with that too! :nod: Although, definitely do the G1 from 1982-1995. There are both international sellers and buyers on eBay.com, and the G1 line was after all running through 1995 ;)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 03, 2018, 09:57:45 AM


But as a buyer AND seller since like pre-1999 days-- I'm the only one in this thread thinking THANK GOODNESS they are updating the sorting system to (what I hope is current. )

I mean -- I guess the way that I work is at first I was like OMG this is terrible -- I was ready to complain. Then my reflexes kick in to try to understand WHY...



And I'm a buyer and seller since whenever the heck I started on ebay, sorry I have no clue right now unless I go to ebay and maybe see when I aquired my first feedback. I know when I got online and that would have been back in 1996 or 7, if we're going for the  comparison or it's more like you've been here that long Karen and you're still just as dumb as you ever were because you can't use ebay correctly.

Meh, I'm just an idiot and was satisfied with how it was, happy with how it was and am simply voicing my dissatisfaction but having someone constantly tell me to either do it their way or their way is better or they don't understand why I'm not appreciating a change is kind of annoying.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT EBAY CHANGES - no more "Pre-1990" MLP category
Post by: banditpony on August 03, 2018, 03:23:49 PM
I'm not comparing whose been around longer.I'm just saying I'm a long time user, and I've seen ebay through changes.

And I made a listing before I mentioned anything, and it's just selecting more tags... just like when listing a shoe...

I never said you had to like the change -- or be ok with it -- or not have your feelings. I've just been asking people what's making them so upset. And My post to your answer
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If you want to understand why some people might be upset about this, as a seller it was easier to have it the way it was, and simpler is generally better for buyer and sellers.
Was just me responding how I feel as a seller.. the interface was the same, it just had some extra tagging (that you don't even have to fill out -- but should fill out).

Sorry for making you annoyed. :/ Wasn't my intention.
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