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Title: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Mana Minori on December 01, 2020, 01:33:26 PM
Many within the g4 pony community have oft wondered by Vinyl Scratch (DJ Pon-3) hasn’t spoken a single word since her initial appearance. Curious minds have led to wonder if she is, in fact mute- whether by accident or by choice. She is seen having a preference to communicate through body language, if anything.

I think this is a rather interesting development and poorly represented form of communication in media, as not everyone is either adept or willing to communicate through words.

And I think that in Vinyl’s case, it could be explained as the latter, and by doing so, could paint her as a most powerful character. How could this be so? Well,
Let’s try taking a look at what a spell” is.

The root “spellam” originally meant story, saying, tale, history, narrative, fable and then the term ‘spell’ started to take on the meaning of a charm or magical incantation in the Middle Ages.

In the Indo-European tradition, words were always viewed as having magical abilities, or possessing a dangerous magic. For example, the daughter languages of Proto Indo-European arrange the consonants in the root for the animal “wolf “ in bizarre ways. This is probably because the original speakers (before 3000 BC) feared that if they said the actual word for ‘wolf’ it would magically cause the animal to appear. It’s the origin of ‘curse words’ — the belief that the usage of particular words had powerful negative effects — the ability to curse yourself or others.

Words are, in my not-so-humble opinion, our most inexhaustible source of magic. Capable of both inflicting injury, and remedying it. – Albus Dumbledore. So what does all this magic talk really mean? Well, for writers, it means we’re magicians; we’re powerful. We can cast spells over the world by spelling words into existence and we can change the way people think, feel, and act. That’s our ability as writers, speakers, and storytellers, that’s our gift — to influence others, to create the unexpected, to change the way people see and understand the world, to put on a show.

Still don’t believe in the power of words? Finish this sentence:

“What if…”

Oh, the endless places those simple words, those six letters, can take you. The sparks of imagination burning in your brain this very moment. Your imagination, like a child’s, explodes with unrestrained possibility. What if you could use that very power of inspiration, creation, and connection with everyone you meet? Answer: you can.

We wielders of words, we sorcerers, charmers, creative conjurers, magical beasts, we are free to spell words into existence at will — writing that’s crafted to convince, to change, to instill a sense, a feeling in someone beyond their control. There’s real power there. We are undoubtedly unstoppable.

Words are sacred. They deserve respect. If you get the right ones, in the right order, you can nudge the world a little. – Tom Stoppard For non-writers, take note: that power is not held by writers alone. We’re ultimately talking about the brain — our endless canvas, where words live and breathe — and it’s open to all. Artists, designers, strategists, thinkers, and any sort of creator in this world: you’ve made it this far, so I have a gift for you: you, as well, are magical. You too have the power to create thoughts, feelings, and imagery in people’s minds in your own way. You speak, you write, you think, you are unstoppable, as well.

How? By using your passions and craft to tell stories. You are human and therefore you are a natural storyteller. It’s built into you. You can control minds. You do it for yourself without realizing. Every night your stories give you an escape, letting you play in fantasy worlds. You go to bed and your brain sits up telling itself wonderful stories, both memorable and mundane.

Mankind has spent thousands upon thousands of years developing the magic of communication and stories. How dare you not believe in it. Words are mankind’s greatest creation; capable of transcending time and space; capable of controlling the human mind; capable of anything. We see this mirrored also in how Twilight rewrites one of the greatest magicians known to ponykind’s spells- Starswirl the Bearded, in Magical Mystery Cure.

While we may look at Twilight Sparkle as a pony with an inexhaustible well of magical ability and spells through her bibliomaniacal tendencies, accesses, and lineage (Taking into account the profession of an author (and also spell crafter) her mother, Twilight Velvet has), then perhaps we can look at Vinyl as one who willingly rejects the amount of influence words , and thus, spells, might have on the world around her.   She constantly surrounds herself with the art form of music, rather than that of written word and influence.   Perhaps this can be seen as a Personal influence, as music can alter the listeners own mood and emotions.

I suspect that Vinyl may have a far greater degree of control in the field of magical manipulation than Twilight herself- not only by refraining from crafting written and spoken spells, but also by showing that with great power can come greater responsibility, she indeed conducts herself far more responsibly by comparison. Vinyl has all the power in the world to influence others around her with a single word, a single spell. But I think she is willingly choosing not to. And THAT, is why she remains mute.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Ponybookworm on December 04, 2020, 03:15:35 PM
"What if..." began so many story ideas for me it's untrue!!!

I do love this theory, & I've seen how certain languages in assorted fantasy stories are magical because quote "the word IS the thing."
And since the spells of FIM are all in English, I get why Vinyl Scratch won't speak in that case.

My own big story has a thing where using a certain Voice compels people, & it's by no means alone (Star Wars AND Dune both have similar Voices).

Not to mention my IRL experiences with many of the names I've been called which I still remember to this day.
So yep, words are powerful.

Makes me wonder what would happen If Vinyl ever sang...
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 04, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
Because she's a background character and not all of them do
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on December 04, 2020, 07:47:00 PM
Interesting theory! I always just went with she is mute or selectively mute.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: NanoRuby on December 04, 2020, 09:29:55 PM
Because she's a background character and not all of them do

If she was just a normal BG character this could be likely, but Vinyl has gotten more attention than most because fans liked her design. So when she has gotten more focus in episodes, such as Slice of Life, she is shown using physical communication as opposed to verbal, even when talking to the main characters. And in one of the holiday episodes, she was shown talking in the background and animators later confirmed that this was a mistake, pretty much proving that her muteness, whatever it may be caused by, is deliberate.


Going back to the theory, I think that's really interesting! I love how it combines her lack of speech with magic and her affinity for music, it's not something I ever would have though of before.
Also I never knew about the origin of "curse words". You learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: SpacePinto on December 04, 2020, 10:53:43 PM
Maybe they just didn't bother finding a voice actress for her?
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Minty_Magic on December 05, 2020, 12:53:13 AM
Interesting!

I honestly always thought she went deaf because she listened to her music too loud and now she selects music to play from either songs she knew and loved or new songs that she “feels” are jams based on their vibrations.

I honestly never paid too much attention to her character, so idk if my theory even lines up, but I think the idea of a deaf DJ is neat anyway!
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: lonewolf on December 05, 2020, 06:45:55 AM
Maybe they just didn't bother finding a voice actress for her?

At one point they asked Jessi Nowacking (the long standing fandom voice for Vinyl) if she (now he) wanted to, but declined as she wouldn't be able to voice Vinyl on  fandom projects anymore.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Carrehz on December 05, 2020, 07:34:05 AM
I always assumed they deliberately kept her mute to avoid another Ditzy incident - you know, certain parts of the fandom freaking out cause it was different to "their" voice for her, or whatever.

Maybe they just didn't bother finding a voice actress for her?

At one point they asked Jessi Nowacking (the long standing fandom voice for Vinyl) if she (now he) wanted to, but declined as she wouldn't be able to voice Vinyl on  fandom projects anymore.

huh, really? Interesting.. but then why not just get a different VA? lol, reminds me of how Sundance's VA didn't come back for MLP and Friends so she just went mute after the movie.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 05, 2020, 09:44:48 AM
Because she's a background character and not all of them do

If she was just a normal BG character this could be likely, but Vinyl has gotten more attention than most because fans liked her design. So when she has gotten more focus in episodes, such as Slice of Life, she is shown using physical communication as opposed to verbal, even when talking to the main characters. And in one of the holiday episodes, she was shown talking in the background and animators later confirmed that this was a mistake, pretty much proving that her muteness, whatever it may be caused by, is deliberate.


Going back to the theory, I think that's really interesting! I love how it combines her lack of speech with magic and her affinity for music, it's not something I ever would have though of before.
Also I never knew about the origin of "curse words". You learn something new every day.

So? Just because a buncha fans like her, doesn't automatically qualify or disqualify her from getting a va. And its not the first or last time a toytoon company has pushed more merch of increasingly popular minor chars.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Zapper on December 05, 2020, 09:57:35 AM
She's mute and expressing herself through her music.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m-DChtO4lF0 (example from a superior show where the mute character was "singing")
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: NanoRuby on December 05, 2020, 10:21:19 AM
So? Just because a buncha fans like her, doesn't automatically qualify or disqualify her from getting a va. And its not the first or last time a toytoon company has pushed more merch of increasingly popular minor chars.

Except the whole point of the main episode I mentioned, Slice of Life, was to focus on the fan-favourite background characters. Every single BG character that had focus in the episode was given a proper voice actor, except for Vinyl. Whether it was because they couldn't find a voice actor for her or didn't want to give her a voice from the start, by the time the episode came out it's clear that her being nonverbal was now a part of her character.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: brightberry on December 05, 2020, 03:23:36 PM
I always thought it was to make her look “cooler”.

“Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.”

Pretty much all the quiet ones in movies are the cool, even scary characters.

I don’t think the writers had anything as clever in mind as Mana Minori has theorized.

Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Taffeta on December 05, 2020, 04:49:24 PM
Because she's a background character and not all of them do

If she was just a normal BG character this could be likely, but Vinyl has gotten more attention than most because fans liked her design. So when she has gotten more focus in episodes, such as Slice of Life, she is shown using physical communication as opposed to verbal, even when talking to the main characters. And in one of the holiday episodes, she was shown talking in the background and animators later confirmed that this was a mistake, pretty much proving that her muteness, whatever it may be caused by, is deliberate.


Going back to the theory, I think that's really interesting! I love how it combines her lack of speech with magic and her affinity for music, it's not something I ever would have though of before.
Also I never knew about the origin of "curse words". You learn something new every day.

So? Just because a buncha fans like her, doesn't automatically qualify or disqualify her from getting a va. And its not the first or last time a toytoon company has pushed more merch of increasingly popular minor chars.

Let's not forget that the mantra of G4 is to believe everything in the show happened because the fans dictated it there. While in actual fact all the money ended up in Hasbro's pocket because Hasbro dictated it there pretending to flatter said fans' egos. (This not targeted at the OP or anyone in this thread by the way).

My point being that Hasbro wouldn't do anything that they couldn't merchandise.

If they really cared about the fans' opinions they'd have used the fans' name for her when they sold the toys, and they didn't. But good for Hasbro for leading them on enough to make FIM such a success.

In answer to the OP's question, I like Zapper's option best.
Title: Re: Why Doesn%u2019t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Carrehz on December 06, 2020, 09:29:06 AM
they were weird with Vinyl's name, I'm sure I saw some official stuff that called her "Vinyl Scratch"?

I think "DJ Pon3" or however you spell it (stupid name >_< why they went with that over Vinyl or anything else, I'll never know) was originally a fan name too, though.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Taffeta on December 06, 2020, 10:25:46 AM
they were weird with Vinyl's name, I'm sure I saw some official stuff that called her "Vinyl Scratch"?

I think "DJ Pon3" or however you spell it (stupid name >_< why they went with that over Vinyl or anything else, I'll never know) was originally a fan name too, though.

I actually don't know specifically with this pony (For me the name is what is on the package, however ridiculous xD) but I was thinking more about Sweetie Drops/BonBon.

...In any case, Hasbro really only did for the fans what they thought they could market back to those fans. And it basically worked.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on December 06, 2020, 01:36:17 PM
DJ Pon-3 has always been referred to such as in any official merchandise, but I would love to see something saying otherwise because I do so hate that name. ><
BonBon has been referred to as Sweetie Drops on all official toys, but there's at least one book where she's called BonBon.
Spoiler
The FiM explanation is that her real name is Sweetie Drops, she's a secret agent who had to take a new name after her team had to disband. She chose BonBon.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Zapper on December 06, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
"DJ Pon-3" is like someone calling themselves "DJ Hum4n" :P
Title: Re: Why Doesn%u2019t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Carrehz on December 06, 2020, 03:58:47 PM
I think I recall seeing some early toy concept design (or something??) that called her "Bon Bon" so I'm wondering if it was just that they couldn't trademark that, or something.

I dislike DJ Pon-3 since it really only works in writing. Still not sure how you're meant to actually pronounce it o_O "DJ Pon-three" sounds weird, and "DJ Pony" just... yeah, like Zapper said, DJ Human. :P It's just silly. I know they had that explanation w/ Bon where they said both names were right, I wish they'd done that with DJ too x) normally I go with the official toy name over fan nicknames, but DJ.. I just can't...
Title: Re: Why Doesn%u2019t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: lonewolf on December 07, 2020, 12:25:18 AM
I think I recall seeing some early toy concept design (or something??) that called her "Bon Bon" so I'm wondering if it was just that they couldn't trademark that, or something.

I dislike DJ Pon-3 since it really only works in writing. Still not sure how you're meant to actually pronounce it o_O "DJ Pon-three" sounds weird, and "DJ Pony" just... yeah, like Zapper said, DJ Human. :P It's just silly. I know they had that explanation w/ Bon where they said both names were right, I wish they'd done that with DJ too x) normally I go with the official toy name over fan nicknames, but DJ.. I just can't...

It's just supposed to be "pony" or "pone", with the 3 in place of the E just to make the name look cool (a similar thing was done by Playstation with their game Driver 3. The logo says "Driv3r").
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: MJNSEIFER on December 07, 2020, 04:11:07 AM
Regarding her name; I have a headcanon that Vinyl Scratch initially pronounced DJ Pon3 as "DJ Pony", but somepony introduced her as "DJ Pone-three" during a set, and she was about to correct them, but decided that she liked that pronunciation better, so she went along with it and that became her official DJ name.  Yes, this is a play on the fact that Hasbro missed how "Pon3" was supposed to be said.

To this day, I still don't get that there are debates on her name, when it can easily be assumed/imagined that "DJ Pon3" is just her stage name.  It sounds like the easiest ones to compromise, since Vinyl Scratch sounds more like a real name in FiM at least, but DJ Pon3 sounds made up even by their standards, so it sounds more like a stage name a DJ would give themselves, rather than their real name.

I'm sure others must have seen it this way too (I know my friend/pen pal referred to DJ Pon3 as a stage name), but I've seen more people debate about it, or feel they should have gone with Vinyl Scratch completely, which struck me as odd, as it was such an easy name to compromise over, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: SunPony on December 07, 2020, 05:55:54 AM
To this day, I still don't get that there are debates on her name, when it can easily be assumed/imagined that "DJ Pon3" is just her stage name.  It sounds like the easiest ones to compromise, since Vinyl Scratch sounds more like a real name in FiM at least, but DJ Pon3 sounds made up even by their standards, so it sounds more like a stage name a DJ would give themselves, rather than their real name.

I'm sure others must have seen it this way too (I know my friend/pen pal referred to DJ Pon3 as a stage name), but I've seen more people debate about it, or feel they should have gone with Vinyl Scratch completely, which struck me as odd, as it was such an easy name to compromise over, in my opinion.

This is what I always assumed, too.  Granted I haven't seen much of the show, but when I became aware of the character, her job/hobby, and that she seemed to have two names, I figured it just like you did.  A normal-sounding given name and a "hip" and fun stage name.

As for why she doesn't talk, I have no idea, but I will say I can definitely relate to strongly preferring other means of communication...
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: LadyAmalthea on December 07, 2020, 07:01:30 AM
I just assumed she didn't talk because she was busy listening to her music on her headphones and was too cool to be bothered with talking.

As for her name, I also assumed that she had a stage name for show, but wasn't born with her DJ name. 'Scratch' might be her family name, like Pie is Pinkie's family name. I was hoping to think of clever first names her other family members might have to go with that, but I've got nothing. Vinyl Scratch is a cool name, but most other words that one might associate with 'scratch' are kind of unsavory! Maybe...Chicken Scratch?
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Carrehz on December 07, 2020, 12:38:20 PM
I always assumed "DJ Pon-3" was a stage name, too.

I think I recall seeing some early toy concept design (or something??) that called her "Bon Bon" so I'm wondering if it was just that they couldn't trademark that, or something.

I dislike DJ Pon-3 since it really only works in writing. Still not sure how you're meant to actually pronounce it o_O "DJ Pon-three" sounds weird, and "DJ Pony" just... yeah, like Zapper said, DJ Human. :P It's just silly. I know they had that explanation w/ Bon where they said both names were right, I wish they'd done that with DJ too x) normally I go with the official toy name over fan nicknames, but DJ.. I just can't...

It's just supposed to be "pony" or "pone", with the 3 in place of the E just to make the name look cool (a similar thing was done by Playstation with their game Driver 3. The logo says "Driv3r").

Oh, I get the idea behind the name, I just think it sounds silly when said out loud.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: brightberry on December 07, 2020, 01:52:21 PM
I'm going to assume they didn't keep the name because the person who thought of it (or thought they did) might demand some sort of compensation.   I once drew a picture of a sheep and a coworker saw it, gave it a nifty name and said they would want a large share if I marketed them that way.  They were serious and I went another way.    So, I would think Hasbro wouldn't even want to tempt that kind of headache.
Title: Re: Why Doesn’t Vinyl Scratch talk? (Theory)
Post by: Carrehz on December 08, 2020, 07:00:35 AM
but DJ Pon-3 was a fan name too - not to mention the other fan names they've used - Lyra, Steven Magnet, etc

granted I think most of the fan names they used were more generic than "Vinyl Scratch", so you might have a point
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