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Title: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Mana Minori on August 08, 2018, 04:16:04 PM
How do you guys feel about it? I don't know how many in the g1 fandom are aware, but every few months  or so, the people of g4 seem to get it in their head that "OMG THE FANDOM IS DYING!" This has been an ongoing thing for years. Twilight gets wings "The fandom is dying!" CMC gets their cutie marks "the fandom is dying!" Bronycon announces their last con in 2019 "omg the fandom is dying!" It's funny, but at the same time, and much more so, it's irritating to me. You can only cry wolf so many times before someone chooses to deliberately sic a wolf on them to get them to shut up. No one bothers to use reason and investigate to see that- hey, the Star Trek fandom is still around. Hey, the MLP g1 fans are still around- what's there to worry about with the g4 fandom, right? But of course, these are the guys who don't bother researching anything, and still think that MLP g2 is My Little Pony Tales.

*exasperated sigh*

thoughts on the ever-common, senselessg4 fandom freakout regarding the stability and apparent fragility of their fandom?
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: flutterscotch on August 08, 2018, 04:20:20 PM
Ahem, excuse me, the end is NEIGH.  I don't care if the fandom dies.  I've been around the block enough to know Hasbro will just dust this cash cow off every decade or so.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 08, 2018, 04:31:10 PM
Those who go, will go. Those who stay will stay. They'll either be absorbed into the larger community, or still be err them, elsewhere. Considering g4 is winding down and g5 announced, they aren't wrong about the end of an era in sight.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: RoseNoire on August 08, 2018, 04:34:08 PM
I don't care about that. If you are truly passionate about something, that means you won't drop it when it officially ends. Those people complaining about the end of the fandom don't make much sense to me. They are not fans in my opinion, just spawns of constant anger and complain.
I know how important FiM can be for some people, but the show has been running for 8 years, the Brony community has settled properly by now, I really think the real fans won't just drop their passion at the exact date whenever G4 will end. Bronies will stay creative and productive, they will keep doing what they like. Even better, there could be new bronies way after the series ended just because new people discovered it and found forums and communities.
It's the exact same thing happening with people growing up in the 2000's and collecting G1s.(Just like me, heh.)
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Mana Minori on August 08, 2018, 04:39:30 PM
I don't care about that. If you are truly passionate about something, that means you won't drop it when it officially ends. Those people complaining about the end of the fandom don't make much sense to me. Are they really fans or something ?
there will always be someone who whines and complains
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 08, 2018, 04:47:38 PM
I actually have seen similar things in Monster High collecting. I think its that transition from something that's available and constantly being added to to something finite and moving into the past. For some folk that';s difficult if they're used to something being one way and not the other.

For a lot of us who collect older gens we're kind of inured to the "it's ended" thing and as others said, we continue to love those things regardless. But I am not sure if the bronies who complain about this are ready for that change. Some of them will stick though. I really hope for a future community which is more inclusive of everyone rather than split into bronies/everyone else like now, so it may be a good thing in the end.

Fad fans will probably go but MLP has gone through so many changes and reinventions that I guess it really won't matter in the long run for people here. It will be for the bronies to settle themselves how they want to go forward. But if they do quit and move on that's their right too...
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Shadoweon on August 08, 2018, 04:49:11 PM
G4 is coming to an end and it is kind of sad to see all the big fandom stuff fade away, you don't see much merch in stores either except for at Walmart and Target. I grew up with G3 and had hand-me down G1s as a very young child but G4 is the gen where I got serious about collecting.

I'd have to see what the designs of gen 5 are like before I really decide if I will like the new characters/designs, it is going to be sad if all the characters and plot lines from the show are totally forgotten though.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Mana Minori on August 08, 2018, 04:56:25 PM
G4 is coming to an end and it is kind of sad to see all the big fandom stuff fade away, you don't see much merch in stores either except for at Walmart and Target. I grew up with G3 and had hand-me down G1s as a very young child but G4 is the gen where I got serious about collecting.

I'd have to see what the designs of gen 5 are like before I really decide if I will like the new characters/designs, it is going to be sad if all the characters and plot lines from the show are totally forgotten though.
I still see merch (sparingly) at GameStop, and a LOT moreso at Barnes n' Noble Bookstore, 99 Cents Stores, Ross, DD's Discounts, 5 Below..... There's a chance since KB Toys is rumored to come back, we'll see MLP there, too. It's not a if its gone away completely.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 08, 2018, 05:07:11 PM
I think it's quite funny, as someone who was both in and out of the fandom.
In the fandom it was just...come on guys, what does it matter to you if she becomes a princess.
Out of the fandom, it's even funnier.  :P
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: pawpatrolbab on August 08, 2018, 05:11:49 PM
The fandom will never truly die, even if the show stops being made. Fandom still exists through everything
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Jordan on August 08, 2018, 05:14:26 PM
I think change is needed though. the mane 6 is amazing and I applaud the team for what they've been able to do with the story but you can only drag the same 6 characters so far before it seems to be a bore every now and then. I'm actually excited to see what the future of g5 holds! I think a big reason why I kinda stopped collecting is that EVERY release is just another pinkie or twilight. though I do love their toys.....after 2-3 years with minimal background/new characters is kinda boring and I want more boy ponies!!
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 08, 2018, 05:31:34 PM
IMHO I am shocked that G4 is still going... I thought for sure they'd stop at Season/Year 5.  But... it was unexpectedly a cash cow with the surprise demographic of bronies.  So of course Hasbro wants to drag it out as far as they can.  But all good things must come to an end... I just want it to happen SOON so I can decide if I like G5 and if I get to pay attention to toy releases over the next ten more years, or just continue to ignore them all.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: banditpony on August 08, 2018, 05:33:41 PM
How do you guys feel about it?

I don't care.

People can like ponies if they want. people can grow out of it too. *shrug*

It's can be sad when something you like comes to an end, so I can understand people being upset about it -- even if some take it too far.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Mana Minori on August 08, 2018, 05:38:54 PM
I think change is needed though. the mane 6 is amazing and I applaud the team for what they've been able to do with the story but you can only drag the same 6 characters so far before it seems to be a bore every now and then. I'm actually excited to see what the future of g5 holds! I think a big reason why I kinda stopped collecting is that EVERY release is just another pinkie or twilight. though I do love their toys.....after 2-3 years with minimal background/new characters is kinda boring and I want more boy ponies!!
sadly, I think g5 (according to leaks) will just be more Mane 6.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: brightberry on August 08, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
The g4 toyline and show are ending.  But Fandoms go on for decades.   :blink:   
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Pinkie21 on August 08, 2018, 06:18:21 PM
I just hope that, when this generation ends, that *maybe* we can get back to a time where G3 isn’t so hated.  I miss being able to draw and post G3 fan art...
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 08, 2018, 06:21:28 PM
I just hope that, when this generation ends, that *maybe* we can get back to a time where G3 isn’t so hated.  I miss being able to draw and post G3 fan art...

Its only hated by a loud, vocal minority. Plenty of people still love it.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on August 08, 2018, 06:21:33 PM
It is odd watching G4/FiM only fans freaking out, ngl. I mean G4's already lasted quite a while, it's almost been 8 years now and it's still got another year or so to go. It's had a good run and honestly it doesn't need to go any longer. Especially with the way the toys have been for years now, with their constant Mane 6 rereleases. It's time for a change, and I am really looking forward to when G5 does begin in 2020, just hope Hasbro doesn't pull the same stuff again and they actually give us a wider variety of ponies again. Of course we do know we'll still have G4's Mane 6 but with some mixed up species, but hopefully with G5 they can find a better balance between them and other characters. Maybe something like what they did with early G3, have characters who get rereleased a few times but in a sea of constant new characters alongside them.

And yeah, as some other people have said, something ending doesn't mean the fandom for it will end. There's many things long since over that still have active communities, so I don't really see why people are freaking out as if the G4 fandom will disappear as soon as G4 itself does. It won't.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Mana Minori on August 08, 2018, 06:30:55 PM
The g4 toyline and show are ending.  But Fandoms go on for decades.   :blink:
exactly. If only the g4 fans got this through their thick skulls

Post Merge: August 08, 2018, 06:31:20 PM

I just hope that, when this generation ends, that *maybe* we can get back to a time where G3 isn’t so hated.  I miss being able to draw and post G3 fan art...
no one's stopping ya.

Post Merge: August 08, 2018, 06:32:20 PM

I just hope that, when this generation ends, that *maybe* we can get back to a time where G3 isn’t so hated.  I miss being able to draw and post G3 fan art...

Its only hated by a loud, vocal minority. Plenty of people still love it.
Toola Roola, Kimono, and Star Catcher are love.

also, I know a lot of g4 fans who are in love with G3 Minty
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Mewtwofan1 on August 08, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
     Friendship is magic got me into collecting ponies in the first place. I’m a tad sad to see it end, but it’s had a good run. A good long run that deserves to be put on the shelf. But the fandom won’t die. It will just evolve. Shame some don’t get this, but it’s the truth. What looks like endings may just be new beginnings.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 08, 2018, 10:41:17 PM
I just hope that, when this generation ends, that *maybe* we can get back to a time where G3 isn’t so hated.  I miss being able to draw and post G3 fan art...

Its only hated by a loud, vocal minority. Plenty of people still love it.

I think in this place at least it is pretty well loved.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: tootie_tails on August 08, 2018, 11:25:39 PM
I couldn't care less if g4 and g4 fandom die. Sorry :blush: Hasbro has been milking it for too long now. They should do something new. Real new, not g4 in a slightly modified mold.
I think the 'paranoia' might come from how the g4 fandom is based around media, internet memes, songs, youtube videos and such - the g4 fans need to maintain it all the time to keep it going or it becomes old.
The g1 g2 g3 fandoms are based around the plastic figures so the g1 through g3 fans don't really need to do anything, as long as the old plastic figures are around everything is A ok. g1 through g3 just become vintage, they never get old.


Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: katrine2309 on August 09, 2018, 12:27:16 AM
I don’t really care either. I am G1, and as many already stated- the earlier gens have all ended. The fans are still here though :P If the intense fandom around g4 gets muted a little, I guess that is not exactly a bad thing.

On another note- G5 has been announced for 2020? Where have I been? Living under a rock? :blink:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: scifipony on August 09, 2018, 02:45:41 AM
This might sound a little mean, so I apologize if it comes across wrong, but I actually hope that a portion of the G4/brony fandom leaves when "Friendship is Magic" ends. It's easily the most negative fandom I've ever been a part of (and I'm a Trekkie, so that's saying a lot) with everyone just arguing about which character/episode/ship is the best, and complaining about every little aspect of each new episode and every little decision the production staff makes. I know this is probably not the majority of the G4 fandom, but it's a vocal enough portion of the community that it makes it hard to interact with other fans without immediately running into a wall of text explaining why I'm not a "real" fan if I don't hate such and such episode or why you have to love such and such character. It's just irritating because it takes the fun out of interacting with other pony fans.

I've heard quite a number of bronies threatening to jump ship when G5 begins, and it might be for the best. That way the new show can get a fresh start and (hopefully) build a more positive and enthusiastic fanbase.

On a side note, I can't wait to see what the G5 toyline will look like. I'm really hoping for more variety and creativity in the character designs.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on August 09, 2018, 05:50:12 AM
On another note- G5 has been announced for 2020? Where have I been? Living under a rock? :blink:


They haven't officially "announced" it, or have officially announced G5 at all, but a while back there were two major leaks of emails from DHX about seasons 8 and 9 (which will be the last season) of FiM, and G5 concept art and ideas. 2020 is when they plan to launch G5's cartoon with a CG animated movie, though the main cartoon itself will be 2D animation. I assume we would see toys around that time too, it said August, so probably for the fall toy reset that year.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Strawberrysweets on August 09, 2018, 06:45:31 AM
I never really understood why bronies hated the previews generations, I mean if it haven't been for G1 Faust would have never done G4.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: flutterscotch on August 09, 2018, 06:55:52 AM
it makes it hard to interact with other fans without immediately running into a wall of text explaining why I'm not a "real" fan if I don't hate such and such episode or why you have to love such and such character.

LOL, I hear that.  I was one of the first people, before the show even aired, who was saying positive things on that infamous Amid Amidi article, I was a moderator on what was at the time the largest Friendship is Magic roleplay forums, went to several Bronycons (I was even supposed to go to the first one, but had a transportation issue) and I was still told I wasn't enough of a fan because I still liked G1.

People need to get over themselves.

You'd think that since G1 fanart was literally what kicked this all off they'd get a clue.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 07:04:24 AM
G1 bashing is just about insecurity. It is also about people making up their mind to mock and hate without actually knowing anything about it. (Don't get me wrong, they don't have to like or research g1 but to vocally trash it it helps to at least know what you are trashing.)

But I think it reflects an insecurity in the community that if they are not the best mlp gen then they don't count or something. Really there are a lot of g4 fans who are not like that though. It is just some.

Maybe age demographic also has a role. Not that I think all younger fans are a problem or all older collectors are saints...but I remember how hostile things were when g2 xame out and in hindsight I think a lot of that was because many of us were angsty teenagers.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 09, 2018, 07:21:02 AM
I couldn't care less if g4 and g4 fandom die. Sorry :blush: Hasbro has been milking it for too long now. They should do something new. Real new, not g4 in a slightly modified mold.
I think the 'paranoia' might come from how the g4 fandom is based around media, internet memes, songs, youtube videos and such - the g4 fans need to maintain it all the time to keep it going or it becomes old.
The g1 g2 g3 fandoms are based around the plastic figures so the g1 through g3 fans don't really need to do anything, as long as the old plastic figures are around everything is A ok. g1 through g3 just become vintage, they never get old.

G1-G3 fans are vintage? How much do we go for on ebay these days? :silly:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: flutterscotch on August 09, 2018, 07:28:14 AM
G1 bashing is just about insecurity. It is also about people making up their mind to mock and hate without actually knowing anything about it. (Don't get me wrong, they don't have to like or research g1 but to vocally trash it it helps to at least know what you are trashing.)

But I think it reflects an insecurity in the community that if they are not the best mlp gen then they don't count or something. Really there are a lot of g4 fans who are not like that though. It is just some.

Maybe age demographic also has a role. Not that I think all younger fans are a problem or all older collectors are saints...but I remember how hostile things were when g2 xame out and in hindsight I think a lot of that was because many of us were angsty teenagers.

I actually liked g2 when it came out. I thought they were weird and funny. And I liked the g3 toys (And Ponyville, I didn't much like the merging of the two though). 

What I didn't like was the g3 cartoon.  If I had been 5 when it aired, it still would have annoyed me because that is the type of child I was.  I was always more of a fan of the toys and making up my own stories than the stories Hasbro and Hasbro affiliates came up with for them. Because it basically embodied the type of play/stories that had been forced on me since I was a young child and I never really liked in the first place. So I've almost always lived in a world were someone was telling me I'm not a real fan because I didn't keep up with the cartoons of one fandom or another.  And I have always lived in a world where I did not properly like the predetermined "girly" stuff in the way I was expected to.

At this point it's just kind of funny, because I took it seriously when I was, say 7 and it was other 7 year olds.  It's way harder to take seriously after decades of dealing with the behavior, and suddenly you're being told by people in their 20s you're not enjoying a cartoon made for an all-ages audience, which includes 7 year olds, properly.

I have definitely typed the words "I have been an Applejack fan since before you were born, so stuff it".
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Strawberrysweets on August 09, 2018, 08:20:32 AM
G1 bashing is just about insecurity. It is also about people making up their mind to mock and hate without actually knowing anything about it. (Don't get me wrong, they don't have to like or research g1 but to vocally trash it it helps to at least know what you are trashing.)

But I think it reflects an insecurity in the community that if they are not the best mlp gen then they don't count or something. Really there are a lot of g4 fans who are not like that though. It is just some.

Maybe age demographic also has a role. Not that I think all younger fans are a problem or all older collectors are saints...but I remember how hostile things were when g2 xame out and in hindsight I think a lot of that was because many of us were angsty teenagers.

I actually liked g2 when it came out. I thought they were weird and funny. And I liked the g3 toys (And Ponyville, I didn't much like the merging of the two though). 

What I didn't like was the g3 cartoon.  If I had been 5 when it aired, it still would have annoyed me because that is the type of child I was.  I was always more of a fan of the toys and making up my own stories than the stories Hasbro and Hasbro affiliates came up with for them. Because it basically embodied the type of play/stories that had been forced on me since I was a young child and I never really liked in the first place. So I've almost always lived in a world were someone was telling me I'm not a real fan because I didn't keep up with the cartoons of one fandom or another.  And I have always lived in a world where I did not properly like the predetermined "girly" stuff in the way I was expected to.

At this point it's just kind of funny, because I took it seriously when I was, say 7 and it was other 7 year olds.  It's way harder to take seriously after decades of dealing with the behavior, and suddenly you're being told by people in their 20s you're not enjoying a cartoon made for an all-ages audience, which includes 7 year olds, properly.

I have definitely typed the words "I have been an Applejack fan since before you were born, so stuff it".

I really liked G2, yet I only have a few figures lol.
I had a pc game with G2 and I played the ever living daylight of it. I wonder if I still have it and can still play it *w*
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: RoseNoire on August 09, 2018, 08:43:40 AM
I played that game when I was little too ! I wish I could find the CD somewhere in my house. I miss that game. :(
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 09:04:19 AM
 Ah the game with the annoying butterfly! I liked g2 as well.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: RoseNoire on August 09, 2018, 09:05:34 AM
"The annoying Butterfly". This cracked my up. :rofl:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 09:12:25 AM
The thing I remember most is "you have to move your pony out of the way!" constantly. ..
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: RoseNoire on August 09, 2018, 09:28:49 AM
I always fed my pony green apples to test the game's limit. Well, i concluded that whatever you do, you pony won't die. It's a thing, I suppose.
I never sent my pony to the castle ever again when I realized you'd loose it. That was so heartbreaking, I thought there would be more stuff out there, or the possibility to get your pony, but no, it was gone forever, game over. That was so sad to me.
I think I was a very weird kid. '-' Kind of cruel. Thankfully I'm not like that anymore.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 09:30:31 AM
I always fed my pony green apples to test the game's limit. Well, i concluded that whatever you do, you pony won't die. It's a thing, I suppose.
I never sent my pony to the castle ever again when I realized you'd loose it. That was so heartbreaking, I thought there would be more stuff out there, or the possibility to get your pony, but no, it was gone forever, game over. That was so sad to me.
I think I was a very weird kid. '-' Kind of cruel. Thankfully I'm not like that anymore.

I remember having a similar issue with the "gone forever" aspect of the game. I think it's one reason we stopped playing it. That and the fact I clearly had poor mouse control because of that stupid butterfly every few seconds :)

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 09, 2018, 10:24:31 AM
The End of the World - a Parody of the Carpenters song

Why does the sun go on shining?
Why does the sea rush to shore?
Don't they know it's the end of G4
'Cause Hasbro don't love me anymore...

Why do the birds go on singing?
Why do the stars glow above?
Don't they know it's the end of G4
It ended when they kept selling same ponies over and over againnnn.

I wake up in the morning and I wonder
Why everything's the same as it was
I can't understand, no, I can't understand
How life goes on the way it does!

Why does my heart go on beating?
Why do these eyes of mine cry?
Don't they know it's the end of G4?
It ended when Discord became a bore...

Don't they know it's the end of G4?
It ended when Starlight Glimmer became Twilight Sparkleeeeeeeee...

(Dedicated to all the MLPNewbies out there filled with de dramas - and sadly they probably don't even know who the carpenters are.)
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Eternia on August 09, 2018, 10:39:59 AM
G4 was dead to me a long time ago.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Teddy on August 09, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
I think the fandom will definitely be around for quite some time, but the show kind of needs to end. I don't think anyone would disagree with that? It was a super awesome show for awhile there, but now it's just really...blah?
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Carrehz on August 09, 2018, 10:46:50 AM
-shrug- This sort of thing seems to happen with bigger fandoms nowadays. I've seen some Adventure Time fans act similarly - the whole "will the fandom die when the show does???" sort of thing, I mean. Undoubtedly things will wind down a bit now that there's nothing "new" to discuss, the more casual/fad fans will drop off.. But the dedicated fans'll still be around. I don't get all the panic over fandoms "dying", either. I mean, I sorta understand the sentiment behind it, but y'know.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: scifipony on August 09, 2018, 10:50:54 AM
The End of the World - a Parody of the Carpenters song

Why does the sun go on shining?
Why does the sea rush to shore?
Don't they know it's the end of G4
'Cause Hasbro don't love me anymore...

Why do the birds go on singing?
Why do the stars glow above?
Don't they know it's the end of G4
It ended when they kept selling same ponies over and over againnnn.

I wake up in the morning and I wonder
Why everything's the same as it was
I can't understand, no, I can't understand
How life goes on the way it does!

Why does my heart go on beating?
Why do these eyes of mine cry?
Don't they know it's the end of G4?
It ended when Discord became a bore...

Don't they know it's the end of G4?
It ended when Starlight Glimmer became Twilight Sparkleeeeeeeee...

(Dedicated to all the MLPNewbies out there filled with de dramas - and sadly they probably don't even know who the carpenters are.)
Lol  :thumb: Although, I feel the need to point out that I do know who the Carpenters are despite being a Gen Z (or late millennial, depending on where you count the cut-off between those generations).
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 09, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
I always fed my pony green apples to test the game's limit. Well, i concluded that whatever you do, you pony won't die. It's a thing, I suppose.
I never sent my pony to the castle ever again when I realized you'd loose it. That was so heartbreaking, I thought there would be more stuff out there, or the possibility to get your pony, but no, it was gone forever, game over. That was so sad to me.
I think I was a very weird kid. '-' Kind of cruel. Thankfully I'm not like that anymore.

Its not mlp but there's a game on the sega genesis called crystal's pony tail. Its short and easy, but nicely animated and cute.

Post Merge: August 09, 2018, 10:59:32 AM

The End of the World - a Parody of the Carpenters song

Why does the sun go on shining?
Why does the sea rush to shore?
Don't they know it's the end of G4
'Cause Hasbro don't love me anymore...

Why do the birds go on singing?
Why do the stars glow above?
Don't they know it's the end of G4
It ended when they kept selling same ponies over and over againnnn.

I wake up in the morning and I wonder
Why everything's the same as it was
I can't understand, no, I can't understand
How life goes on the way it does!

Why does my heart go on beating?
Why do these eyes of mine cry?
Don't they know it's the end of G4?
It ended when Discord became a bore...

Don't they know it's the end of G4?
It ended when Starlight Glimmer became Twilight Sparkleeeeeeeee...

(Dedicated to all the MLPNewbies out there filled with de dramas - and sadly they probably don't even know who the carpenters are.)


:lmao: Great parody. My folks listened to the Carpenters. I could never decide if I liked Superstar or Rainy Days and Mondays more.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 09, 2018, 11:00:01 AM
I've grown to love all gens individually (except 3.5 because... bah!) and Starlight Glimmer has replaced Rarity as my fave pony on the show. But it's been around since 2010, in development when G3s were still in stores.
This is just how MLP works and I am super excited to see the next gen!

I hope it will bring in less internet trolls and more kids. Would love it if they did liveaction musicals again to make sure grown men feel very awkward when watching something with toddlers right next to them :lol:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 09, 2018, 11:01:19 AM
I've grown to love all gens individually (except 3.5 because... bah!) and Starlight Glimmer has replaced Rarity as my fave pony on the show. But it's been around since 2010, in development when G3s were still in stores.
This is just how MLP works and I am super excited to see the next gen!

I hope it will bring in less internet trolls and more kids. Would love it if they did liveaction musicals again to make sure grown men feel very awkward when watching something with toddlers right next to them :lol:

I hope it'll bring more kids and less trolls too.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Strawberrysweets on August 09, 2018, 11:03:34 AM
I always fed my pony green apples to test the game's limit. Well, i concluded that whatever you do, you pony won't die. It's a thing, I suppose.
I never sent my pony to the castle ever again when I realized you'd loose it. That was so heartbreaking, I thought there would be more stuff out there, or the possibility to get your pony, but no, it was gone forever, game over. That was so sad to me.
I think I was a very weird kid. '-' Kind of cruel. Thankfully I'm not like that anymore.

I sent my pony the first time after starting. I must have looked terrifeid as my mom asked if I killed the pony.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: scifipony on August 09, 2018, 11:05:41 AM
I've grown to love all gens individually (except 3.5 because... bah!) and Starlight Glimmer has replaced Rarity as my fave pony on the show. But it's been around since 2010, in development when G3s were still in stores.
This is just how MLP works and I am super excited to see the next gen!

I hope it will bring in less internet trolls and more kids.

I agree 100% with this. As much as I love FiM, I'm really excited for G5 and can't wait for it to come out. And hopefully I'll still be around to see the next few gens as well.  ^.^
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 09, 2018, 11:13:11 AM
Out of the fandom, it's even funnier.  :P

Hahaha! Same. Also, while I do love MLP as an adult and look back with a smile to my childhood ponies, I poke fun at the franchise and its lore and myself liking it all the time. As with all my other fandoms.
In kind of a Mel Brooks way, good parody comes from a place of admiration. I saw how many fans took that literal pony show way too seriously and built a way of life around it, which just weirded me out.

I watched Bronies make fun of previous pony gens shows and movies while taking FiM as the gospel. So I know I will take a lot of pleasure in seeing new fans come in with G5 and calling G4 trash :lol: Will give the serious business "G4 is my religion" types something to think about.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 09, 2018, 11:16:34 AM
The End of the World - a Parody of the Carpenters song

Why does the sun go on shining?
Why does the sea rush to shore?
Don't they know it's the end of G4
'Cause Hasbro don't love me anymore...

Why do the birds go on singing?
Why do the stars glow above?
Don't they know it's the end of G4
It ended when they kept selling same ponies over and over againnnn.

I wake up in the morning and I wonder
Why everything's the same as it was
I can't understand, no, I can't understand
How life goes on the way it does!

Why does my heart go on beating?
Why do these eyes of mine cry?
Don't they know it's the end of G4?
It ended when Discord became a bore...

Don't they know it's the end of G4?
It ended when Starlight Glimmer became Twilight Sparkleeeeeeeee...

(Dedicated to all the MLPNewbies out there filled with de dramas - and sadly they probably don't even know who the carpenters are.)
Lol  :thumb: Although, I feel the need to point out that I do know who the Carpenters are despite being a Gen Z (or late millennial, depending on where you count the cut-off between those generations).

The carpenters are sorta before my time but I have a very wide-ranging taste in music it spans many many generations.  For the parody to have impact you really have to hear the song, pretty sure it's on youtube if you search carpenters end of the world.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: SaraMari on August 09, 2018, 02:58:06 PM
I only know this song from Fallout 4 haha, my fiance used to play it all the time so I'd have to hear the background songs over and over

As for this paranoia, probably those crying about the most will be the ones to leave first? Totally fine with me, I prefer not to associate with bronies so if their ranks shrunk that's ok with me. As others mentioned it likely has to do with how tied to the show it is, and the demographic of bronies. Maybe they feel frightened by the thought they have to keep fanning FiM with no new episodes or have to move on to G5?
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: WaterDraw on August 09, 2018, 05:11:20 PM
I don't know if anyone's said this yet, but I will.
No, not ALL of g4 will die. HOWEVER, the fandom has been slowly lessening since around 2015. Most of the fans of g4 are only there for the show, and once content stops flowing, they'll most likely leave. It doesn't matter how much of a "true fan" they are, sometimes you just stay for one thing and that's it. In that person's opinion, they could just not like the other generations or the newer ones and with a lack of content (some people only like official content, IE the TV Show) and with people slowly getting out of the fandom, then they'll probably just leave. IMO you are still a true fan if that is the case.
Honestly the term "true fan" seems kind of stupid to me. It's almost like just because you left the fandom at season [insert number here], you are considered not a real fan. The reason does not matter, you are just not a true fan. You could have a really negative experience in the fandom, but if you didn't stay until the end you are not a real fan. If you didn't stay in the fandom after the show ended because you had no real interest in stuff not pertaining to the show that was canon, then you're just a fake fan.
I don't think we should be calling people fake fans is what I'm saying basically. No ill-will meant to people who used the term.
Anyway, I think the paranoia is actually granted. Sure there can be a lot of it, but for people like me who have been slowly watch the fandom die, it seems totally likely it happened. No fandom can ever truly die, but they can start to fade into obscurity and become forgotten. I remember in g4s hayday when it was EVERYWHERE, but now the only place I see it is in discount bins in stores.
A lot of people are probably taking their paranoia from past shows that faded into obscurity fan-base wise as soon as either big changes were made or the show stopped running. It's a completely logical conclusion to make, especially if you've never been in a fandom before.

I will say, however, that this is the end of an era. An era where the MLP show has been one of, if not the highest quality. This show pushed boundries showing that you didn't have to be a seven year old girl to enjoy the adventures of multicolored ponies. I know bronies get a bad rep around here, but honestly they aren't that bad. The bad ones are just the vocal minority of the fandom. It's a lot like the Sonic fandom. Yeah there's a lot of really toxic people in that community, but not even close to half of the fandom like that. Bronies get a negative stigma and I don't think they deserve that. If only there was another name to call the bronies who were actually bad.
This era of MLP has been a breakthrough. No more do people think of it as the show where all the ponies are basically the same character with slightly different personality traits. And if not that, they were walking stereotypes. MLP FiM has set new standards for the series. People can say whatever they want about Rarity being a stereotypical girly girl, but the truth is there are girls in the world who act like her. Lauren thought it was important to represent all kids of girls in this show, and girls who have Rarity's personality are most commonly shown as snooty or stupid. Rarity has tested those bounds and proven that just because you like fashion, does not mean you are an air-head who is mean to everyone around her. She also shows you have to work hard to get where you want to go; not everyone is just handed the opportunity to do something.
As much as I love the G1 cartoon, you have to admit that it wasn't the best thing ever. The characters were basically re-colors of each other with a sometimes different hairstyle (Firefly, Glory) and building on character wasn't a big theme. The show was meant to sell the toys. Sure they went on adventures, but they never grew from that experience. G4 was made to sell toys as well and it showed you could do so while also making great toys...even if that did result in millions upon millions of mane six toys...

Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that while members of the g4 fandom are either leaving or staying, this is still an end to an era. Hopefully G5 is good and they won't shove as much mane six in our faces.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
@WaterDraw - I agree with you that not all bronies are bad. I tend to distinguish the ones that are as crazy bronies, but the term itself has become tainted and some very dark things have come out of the community which have had implications for other completely innocent collectors or fans.

I don't think the G1 and the G4 animation need comparing because the G1 animation isn't the core of G1 the way G4 is. Doing that misrepresents what G1 is about and the richness of the collectable and its many different canons. If that makes sense. It's comparing it by G4's rules which is no better than holding G4 to G1 standards on toy production (which admittedly happens too).

I don't personally think this era has been a breakthrough, nor do I think that the G4 animation is as groundbreaking as it gets reported. I have issues with a lot of the messages it puts out, such as Rainbow Dash's abuse of animals and the imposition of friendship by ponies on other species portrayed in a lesser/superior relationship (now with the school) to the ponies which isn't necessary. It has got a lot of attention but that is pretty much all. I think it's disrespectful to the generations that came before to suggest G4 was some kind of epiphany. It really wasn't. It was just a different approach to the same concept in a way designed for the twenty-first century, rather than the twentieth.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 09, 2018, 05:23:22 PM
I wouldn't call this gen the highest quality MLP has ever been. The toys are the crappiest I've ever seen, the animation is cookie cutter, sterile and deformed and the cartoon is average fare.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 05:25:03 PM
I wouldn't call this gen the highest quality MLP has ever been. The toys are the crappiest I've ever seen, the animation is cookie cutter, sterile and deformed and the cartoon is average fare.

I think the toy quality varies, but the oversaturation of mane 6 doesn't help.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 09, 2018, 05:31:30 PM
I wouldn't call this gen the highest quality MLP has ever been. The toys are the crappiest I've ever seen, the animation is cookie cutter, sterile and deformed and the cartoon is average fare.

I think the toy quality varies, but the oversaturation of mane 6 doesn't help.

Well considering the last g4 toy I bought for myself has unmanageable hair and 1 1/2 tail holes...XD
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Sunset on August 09, 2018, 05:34:32 PM
I feel like a lot of the angst may be coming from the part of the fandom that is more fans of the fandom than of the ponies, if that makes sense.  And it *is* true that the fad is dying down.  Hot Topic and Funko have moved on from ponies.  There generally seems to be less merch aimed at adults.  It's been 8 years and people will naturally move on.  Those who where in highschool are now in college or beyond.  Those who where in college are now in the workforce and are possibly starting their own families.  Some of those people may cycle back in eventually. 

As someone else said, here we have the act of collecting the toys to keep us engaged long after a particular gen ends.  But in the case of G4, the fans who are not inclined to collect will have to find some other way to stay engaged.  That could look like creating stories, animations, artwork etc.  Those fans who aren't inclined to be artsy, they will find little to keep them involved once the show ends.  But that happens with every fandom.

I personally am looking forward to G5 though I'm trying to resign myself to the idea that we may be stuck with Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash, at minimum, for the rest of eternity.

Re: the Carpenters.  Love it!  They were a little before my time, too, but my mom had a cassette tape lying around and they totally spoke to my angsty preteen soul.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 09, 2018, 05:39:46 PM
I would be so happy if we got rid of Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash forever. I loved G3 RD but G4 tainted her for me with her really obnoxious characterisation.

I also...this is probably unpopular, but I refuse to call it G5 if it's not new characters. It's G4.5, because it;s the same as G4 but with different poses/canon. Like G3.5 to G3.

G5 requires creative input that I suspect Hasbro probably don't intent to give. They've made a lot from repeating the same stuff over and over. Why change that formula?

I guess I feel G4 (not the concept, the execution) killed MLP rather than defined it or was a breakthrough. If there's a lack of creativity in the toy line it's saying MLP has basically become a tv show and a bunch of memes. And that's not what I signed up for, so I won't be sorry if it goes away.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Ponyfan on August 09, 2018, 06:01:17 PM
I also agree that G4 is coming to an end. I’ve noticed that there haven’t been any new FIM albums on iTunes since the MLP movie one. I think the MLP the movie Funko Pops were the last MLP Funko items. The pony aisle in my area is getting smaller and smaller. Ponies now share a tiny section of the aisle with Hello Kitty,  Shopkins and other toys.


I’m also surprised that FIM has lasted for 8 seasons so far. FIM has always been hit or miss for me. One of my least favorite episodes was the one that  made it clear that FIM was starting to pay more attention to what some bronies wanted to instead of making something for the target audience that adults could enjoy too. 

I agree that those that were the target audience when the show began have probably moved on.

I want to see new characters in the next generation of MLP not Twilight Sparkle the earth pony and Fluttershy the unicorn.

Ponyfan
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: WaterDraw on August 09, 2018, 06:08:02 PM
@WaterDraw - I agree with you that not all bronies are bad. I tend to distinguish the ones that are as crazy bronies, but the term itself has become tainted and some very dark things have come out of the community which have had implications for other completely innocent collectors or fans.

I don't think the G1 and the G4 animation need comparing because the G1 animation isn't the core of G1 the way G4 is. Doing that misrepresents what G1 is about and the richness of the collectable and its many different canons. If that makes sense. It's comparing it by G4's rules which is no better than holding G4 to G1 standards on toy production (which admittedly happens too).

I don't personally think this era has been a breakthrough, nor do I think that the G4 animation is as groundbreaking as it gets reported. I have issues with a lot of the messages it puts out, such as Rainbow Dash's abuse of animals and the imposition of friendship by ponies on other species portrayed in a lesser/superior relationship (now with the school) to the ponies which isn't necessary. It has got a lot of attention but that is pretty much all. I think it's disrespectful to the generations that came before to suggest G4 was some kind of epiphany. It really wasn't. It was just a different approach to the same concept in a way designed for the twenty-first century, rather than the twentieth.

I will admit this generation has been overhyped. I didn't mean to come off as this generation has no flaws, because it does. I feel Fluttershy isn't very kind and is either a pushover or some weird passive aggressive personality for laughs. I feel Applejack should've got more screen time. However, it's important not to overlook what it has done for the series. I feel like it has made some breakthroughs, but if you don't think so that is totally fine.


Off topic just a bit, but I feel like G4 gets a lot of undeserved hate here. Yes, the over saturation of the mane 6 is annoying. Yes, the toyline kind of sucks, especially after the reboot. But this generation gets almost no love anymore. If you don't like G4, that is fine. You don't HAVE to like a generation. But I don't think people should be hating on it over and over. Saying stuff on how they wish the mane six would disappear forever is really disheartening.
Like Taffeta said, G1's cartoon wasn't the core of the series. We mostly base our opinion on G1 as a whole based on the toyline. G4's cartoon IS the core of the series. Therefore, it makes sense that the mane six are marketed over and over again. No, I don't agree with it, but think of it this way: If you were a little girl wouldn't you rather have a character you know the personality of and like personally than just some rando pony? Ever wonder why Firefly is one of the most popular/common g1s? I'm willing to bet a lot of kids saw the movie and wanted a Firefly of their own since they liked her so much.
The mane 6 is marketed too much, yes, but complaining about it over and over isn't going to help anything. I'm pretty sure a lot of little girls would be heartbroken if they only had a couple chances to get, say, Twilight Sparkle for example. MLP is a business afterall and the bottom line is what makes the most money. Taking the mane six off the shelves for say a whole entire season and only having background characters is not a smart business move. How many of you know who Shoeshine is (without looking it up) and what her personality is? How many of you know who Princess Cadence is and her personality without looking it up?
All I'm saying is that while we don't like what Hasbro is doing with the toyline, there really is not much we can do. The only reason we get figures of characters like Soren or Lyra is because they are fan favorites and are marketable.
Sometimes it feels like people are hating on the show just because it's popular.

I want to make this clear that I am not targeting anyone in particular when I say this, but just the people I see on here in general. So if I said something eerily similar to something someone else said, then sorry it's just coincidence.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Mana Minori on August 09, 2018, 07:15:06 PM
I wouldn't call this gen the highest quality MLP has ever been. The toys are the crappiest I've ever seen, the animation is cookie cutter, sterile and deformed and the cartoon is average fare.

I think the toy quality varies, but the oversaturation of mane 6 doesn't help.

Well considering the last g4 toy I bought for myself has unmanageable hair and 1 1/2 tail holes...XD
what in the name of Celestia? Pics please?

also,  100% agreed on much oversaturation of the Mane 6. It's sickening. We don't even have the Pillars or any of the School 6, yet (not that I want them, if they're going to be made in that weird g4.5 style. Even if they weren't, they're not all that interesting as characters, to me. (except maybe Silverstream. Her adorableness is growing on me)) What gives?
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Strawberrysweets on August 10, 2018, 02:00:53 AM
I wouldn't call this gen the highest quality MLP has ever been. The toys are the crappiest I've ever seen, the animation is cookie cutter, sterile and deformed and the cartoon is average fare.

I think the toy quality varies, but the oversaturation of mane 6 doesn't help.

The first G4 ponies I got had super soft hair, the latest applejacks have so greasy and unkempt hair even after I wash them, even how much I try the hair flair up after they are dry and no one have touched them ;^;. I know I can babypowder the hair but then it wont be shiny anymore.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 10, 2018, 07:59:46 AM
I wouldn't call this gen the highest quality MLP has ever been. The toys are the crappiest I've ever seen, the animation is cookie cutter, sterile and deformed and the cartoon is average fare.

I think the toy quality varies, but the oversaturation of mane 6 doesn't help.

The first G4 ponies I got had super soft hair, the latest applejacks have so greasy and unkempt hair even after I wash them, even how much I try the hair flair up after they are dry and no one have touched them ;^;. I know I can babypowder the hair but then it wont be shiny anymore.

Eww. Hate greasy haired ponies. There worst offender is chemical pony smell. When you open up a pony, and the smell burns your nose and throat and you hafta toss it. Hasbro is indeed, doing something very wrong.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Ponyfan on August 10, 2018, 09:33:33 AM
I do enjoy FIM but I think G5 should start with new characters instead of recycled ones.  Pinkie, Rainbow Dash, Rarity, Sweetie Belle, Rarity, Scootaloo and Chereliee's names were all reused from G3

I'd love to see Terramar and Ocean Flow as brushables but don't that will happen since the G4 is ending.

Ponyfan 
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 10, 2018, 04:57:12 PM
But I don't think people should be hating on it over and over. Saying stuff on how they wish the mane six would disappear forever is really disheartening.


hum, hate. Well none of the below are quotes from the arena, they're all about previous generation ponies.

Quote
I've seen things, man. It was horrible. They were so ugly. And the names. Not the names. And Unicornia. How? How could such a place exist?

G1:  Does anybody even like this generation?

I've never ignored the existence of adult fans of previous gen horses, but they've always been under the radar, while we provoked a culture boom, and we are WAY more open for our love of these horses with pastelis coloritis

Honestly they just looked creepy to me.

Gen 2 or 1.5: Divisive. Hate it with a burning passion

Gen 3 and 3.5: Horrible Abominations. The pony designs are freaky, nightmarish and unsettling.

G1's are bulky and ugly and the cartoon had hidden bondage fetishes in it

They look like fat horses
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: WaterDraw on August 10, 2018, 06:04:34 PM
But I don't think people should be hating on it over and over. Saying stuff on how they wish the mane six would disappear forever is really disheartening.


hum, hate. Well none of the below are quotes from the arena, they're all about previous generation ponies.

Quote
I've seen things, man. It was horrible. They were so ugly. And the names. Not the names. And Unicornia. How? How could such a place exist?

G1:  Does anybody even like this generation?

I've never ignored the existence of adult fans of previous gen horses, but they've always been under the radar, while we provoked a culture boom, and we are WAY more open for our love of these horses with pastelis coloritis

Honestly they just looked creepy to me.

Gen 2 or 1.5: Divisive. Hate it with a burning passion

Gen 3 and 3.5: Horrible Abominations. The pony designs are freaky, nightmarish and unsettling.

G1's are bulky and ugly and the cartoon had hidden bondage fetishes in it

They look like fat horses

I didn't say the previous generations didn't get hate, but G4 seems to get an unproportional amount of hate compared to them.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: SaraMari on August 10, 2018, 06:35:08 PM
Where does g4 get hate? Are you referring to people here?

I think if anything g4 gets an disproportianate amount of love. Yes here you will hear criticism of it, but I believe the brony community gives it a ton of love. So overall I believe it does not receive much hate
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Flitter on August 10, 2018, 08:33:00 PM
The fandom reaction doesn't and never has affected me much but I can understand people being upset that something they enjoy is ending. The G4 hype has already died down a lot but it still seems to have a solid fanbase. The fandom won't die but it won't be the same after G4 is over either.
 
Myself, I love G4, I only collect G4, but I've been ready for it to end for a while now. The toyline and show have disappointed me many times. Besides the boy brushable ponies, I never got into the toys since the style reboot and just recently restructured my collection drastically into what I feel will be it's final evolution (unless Funko starts making vinyl collectibles again and gives me Sunset Shimmer and Starlight Glimmer but I'm not holding my breath, just dreaming...). I still watch the show but almost passively. The narrative this season especially has lost me a bit. Yona is adorable though. I'll likely watch it through to the end.

As for G5, I'll watch how it develops but, as of right now, it would probably take something really exceptional to get me interested.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 10, 2018, 09:25:55 PM

I didn't say the previous generations didn't get hate, but G4 seems to get an unproportional amount of hate compared to them.

I really am not sure what you mean at this point. You seemed to suggest that on the arena g4 gets a lot of hate...but im not sure what youre comparing it to. I posted quotes from other forum where g4 fans slam previous gen of mlp. So i dont see how the arena has more hate...just because its fim/g4?

if we say of all thr pony boards and forums out there then maybe you should consider places like the arena are the one place you can have a much better discussion on all the ponies, not just one gen.

And maybe thats why because some of us dont consider g4 to be better or above other gen.

And besides Ive been on pony boards long enough to remeber when g2 came out a lot of folks didnt like them and voiced their opinions on the forums. So why g4 should get a pass is beyond me.

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on August 10, 2018, 09:42:20 PM
I'm actually hoping to see some of the art trends for G4 die out. I know that art is expression but seriously some things should not even be considered with FiM or EQG.

I have stopped watching the show several seasons ago because it just got to the point where I could not stand it any longer and I'm just now hoping G5 will have a good show start (despite being the same 6 ponies)
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: katrine2309 on August 11, 2018, 12:20:59 AM
@Waterdraw: I don’t think G4 gets that much hate here. I think the main criticism, in this thread, is around the fandom and the community it brings with it. I think it would be an excellent idea for the Mane 6 to find their happy ending. Not because I don’t like the characters. Certainly not because I hate them. But I am a tired of seeing them. They have been released so many times since the start. People are sick and tired of G3 Pinkie Pie for the exact same reason. It is not hate in my opinion, that is just wishing for more creativity and originality from Hasbro.

Like Taffeta says, I will not look at it as G5 if they are to use the same characters as they have now in the same universe. That is not a start of a new generation. That is a reboot of the old one. What has differentiated each gen in MLP is not only the difference in poses and the toys itself. But the whole world of MLP. G2 ponies never interacted with G1, G3 ponies did not interact with G2 or G4. The concept of MLP were re-launched each time. If they’re not doing that- it is certainly not G5 to me.

I really hope they do conclude the show and the characters. Good things come to an end and that is certainly true for TV shows. ANY TV show. Perhaps now, Hasbro will allow the future stories of the Mane 6 to continue in little girls imagination. Like they should have, in my opinion, a long time ago :P
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on August 11, 2018, 12:23:04 AM
G4's main cast are stereotyped.  That's not really surprising in a kid's cartoon show?  It's written so kids joining in season X don't need to have seen Season X-1 in order to understand what's going on.  That means very few episodes change the status quo.

I would also prefer to never see the G4 main cast again.  That is no different from my feelings about G3's 'core 7', whom I also disliked.  And saying 'I hope they never use G4's characters ever again and start fresh' is not hate, it's an opinion and possibly a critique if it's backed up with 'because X, Y and Z'.  Hate is something like 'G4 is a flaming pile of horse dung and all the horrible characters suck rotten lemons and anyone who likes them should be killed on sight.' 

(For the record G4 is not horse dung, the characters aren't rotten and I don't advocate for shooting anyone with anything but cameras and Nerf/water guns, with all participating parties enthusiastic consent beforehand.)

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 11, 2018, 03:59:52 AM

I didn't say the previous generations didn't get hate, but G4 seems to get an unproportional amount of hate compared to them.

I really am not sure what you mean at this point. You seemed to suggest that on the arena g4 gets a lot of hate...but im not sure what youre comparing it to. I posted quotes from other forum where g4 fans slam previous gen of mlp. So i dont see how the arena has more hate...just because its fim/g4?

if we say of all thr pony boards and forums out there then maybe you should consider places like the arena are the one place you can have a much better discussion on all the ponies, not just one gen.

And maybe thats why because some of us dont consider g4 to be better or above other gen.

And besides Ive been on pony boards long enough to remeber when g2 came out a lot of folks didnt like them and voiced their opinions on the forums. So why g4 should get a pass is beyond me.



I am 100% with Uni on this. I actually found the comment about there being more G4 hate genuinely offensive, given that many of us have experienced direct or indirect hate just for being G1 fans, without even engaging in a discussion or dispute over generations with fans of FIM. I've also seen much much worse than the stuff she's posted , but that would be against forum rules.

As I said above, I don't think all bronies are crazy and rude, but there are some and the some there are are very vocal.

But this place has a very balanced mix of fans. And mostly they coexist quite peacefully, which is a really positive thing. It's not generally the case that if one person likes BBE ponies and one doesn't, they're immediate hate rivals forever. Whereas in the FIM community, liking or not liking a specific character can create a real "incident". Of course, again, that's not necessarily all of the fans - but that exists there, it doesn't exist here. We have an unpopular opinion thread which has not been locked because we are actually able to express not liking things that other people do like without fear of being hunted down or ostracised. That is what this place is.

A lot of us who criticised G4 aspects in this thread also collect G4 in some capacity. In my case I collect predominately non mane 6 characters. I have some M6 but I'm over them because they're so plentiful. I did watch some of the show, but I don't like it because some of the episodes are morally troubling to me. However, I took the time to watch it before deciding I don't like it.

I think Baby Sugarberry and Uni both made good comparison points between constructive criticism of aspects of the generation vs flat out trash comments like those seen on other forums. I don't have a problem with people disliking G1 if they actually know what they are disliking - but the kind of comments that Uni posts mostly demonstrate a lack of that. The most common kind of insults G1 gets are basically "Lauren Faust said they were x so I hate them". At least in this thread, when people have said they don't like something, they usually have a reason why because they know what they are disliking.

As Katrine said, all generations bring their new aspects to the community. It's a weakness in G4 fans that sometimes they don't realise that change is the only certainty of MLP. And not wanting to see the mane 6 ever again is perfectly valid. We should expect new characters and a new concept for G5. I don't need to see even Applejack again, to be honest. I didn't need to see her in G4, either. MLP has survived by completely reinventing itself. To not reinvent itself for G5 is a betrayal of its origins.

And the clinging to the mane 6 is a brony trait, because of the influence of the show. It isn't shared by people with pan-generational interests largely because we're used to losing characters, not just within a year of their release but also within a change of generation. Ponies are precious because they are unique and don't outstay their shelf life. It's time for a change, and saying that is not hate, as Baby Sugarberry said.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 11, 2018, 07:46:39 AM
@Waterdraw: I don’t think G4 gets that much hate here. I think the main criticism, in this thread, is around the fandom and the community it brings with it. I think it would be an excellent idea for the Mane 6 to find their happy ending. Not because I don’t like the characters. Certainly not because I hate them. But I am a tired of seeing them. They have been released so many times since the start. People are sick and tired of G3 Pinkie Pie for the exact same reason. It is not hate in my opinion, that is just wishing for more creativity and originality from Hasbro.

Like Taffeta says, I will not look at it as G5 if they are to use the same characters as they have now in the same universe. That is not a start of a new generation. That is a reboot of the old one. What has differentiated each gen in MLP is not only the difference in poses and the toys itself. But the whole world of MLP. G2 ponies never interacted with G1, G3 ponies did not interact with G2 or G4. The concept of MLP were re-launched each time. If they’re not doing that- it is certainly not G5 to me.

I really hope they do conclude the show and the characters. Good things come to an end and that is certainly true for TV shows. ANY TV show. Perhaps now, Hasbro will allow the future stories of the Mane 6 to continue in little girls imagination. Like they should have, in my opinion, a long time ago :P


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Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 11, 2018, 08:00:06 AM
It's not blatant hate so much as it is weariness and exhaustion with hearing G4 being hailed as the all-powerful generation that finally gave fans relief from the girliness of the previous generations, because that was totally a problem previous pony fans had with the franchise. *eye roll* I'd just be repeating everyone else's statements if I kept going.
So, if we wouldn't call "G5" G5, would it be G4.75? I'm sure everyone will just go with G5, but I do agree with Taffeta that because it's not a complete reboot it should still somehow belong under G4. If it's more commonly referred to as G5, I will go with the crowd for the sake of clarity.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Sunset on August 11, 2018, 08:30:25 AM
I feel like it's going to be G5 regardless.  Hasbro has changed how they are marketing the brand to be very dependent on the show with a core group.  That means we may also have to change how generations are classified.  People are already calling pretty much what ever happens after FiM ends "G5".  I don't think it will be possible to change course after the fact if it turns out to be not much different from G4. 

Certainly, plenty of non-collectors wont care what classifications went into determining different gens previously.  They will simply go with whatever they hear others calling it.  As much as I know those of us who have been here a long time will hate it, it's likely that the bronies will determine the classification (and they are already calling whatever it is G5).  There are just more of them than us and they are more vocal.  That means we will be fighting an uphill battle to try to insist that the next step isn't G5 but still G4.  People will still want something to label the change with no matter how small.

We could try calling whatever comes up next by the name of the show provided that Hasbro provides a convenient handle.  So early G4 would be "FiM" followed by the "Movie/reboot" followed by "?".  But again, it will still be an uphill battle if everyone else is calling it G5.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on August 11, 2018, 09:09:24 AM
I feel if they are using the same characters and the universe is similar/same then it would fallow suite with how G3.5 was handled. I know most people call the current toys G4.5 and I still kind of do for time to time xD

In the case of G3.5 they kept the same characters but with just a art style change and a change to the show.

With what people are calling G5 basically is doing is kept the same characters (or so it seems), changed the art style and swap the species around for some of the ponies. I think RD and Rarity and AJ are the only 3 that kept their G4 species with Twilight, Fluttershy, and Pinkie getting the species change (this would honestly be a 2 species change for Twilight). But until we get more info on the show, we really can't settle 100% on what to call it...
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 11, 2018, 09:18:30 AM
I really am sick and tired of hearing that there's more of them than us. 4 genetations. 3 decades of fans all over the world that have been around more or less for years. And the newest group magically thinks they're bigger then the collective whole? Nope. Sorry doesn't add up. The kids are fans too.

The rude adults are simply the loudest and most visible. The ones who are fans of the brand instead of the fad are part of the collective whole. The rude fad fans can go bye-bye. The ones who enjoy my little pony will still enjoy it.

 Its just as ridiculous as saying that new Batman fans are bigger then the collective whole of Batman fans because they got their start with the latest movies.

That statement does nothing but promote outright lies and stroke egos.

The sooner people realize that the better.

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 11, 2018, 09:36:31 AM

hum, hate. Well none of the below are quotes from the arena, they're all about previous generation ponies.

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They look like fat horses

I cannot stop laughing about this.  Have these people NEVER seen a pony in real life before?  By their very nature, they look like short and fat horses!!!! 
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 11, 2018, 09:43:33 AM
A lot of those people will go when fim ends anyway. Only the real g4 fans will remain so who knows. It isn't about numbers though. I agree with LAW about that.

But the point on labelling is a good one too. G2 was not called G2 until G3 happened.  The rules change just as tge ponies do.

But I don't want to call it G5 because for me if that is G5 it means FIM has destroyed creativity in design for MLP for good. Because there are standards to me on what defines a generation.  Shs etc are still g1. A minor redesign of the same stuff with a species tweak and a slightly altered canon may count as g2 for newer lines like MH, without that history. ..but if we accept it its MLP surrendering its originality. And that makes me sad.

 I have also always really disliked Pinkie Pie since g3. But I hope a g5 Dash might get a less obnoxious character.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Sunset on August 11, 2018, 09:44:02 AM
I really am sick and tired of hearing that there's more of them than us. 4 genetations. 3 decades of fans all over the world that have been around more or less for years. And the newest group magically thinks they're bigger then the collective whole? Nope. Sorry doesn't add up. The kids are fans too.

The rude adults are simply the loudest and most visible. The ones who are fans of the brand instead of the fad are part of the collective whole. Its just as ridiculous as saying that new Batman fans are bigger then the collective whole of Batman fans.

The sooner people realize that the better.

That is clearly an overreaction to what I was saying.  The kids and casual fans aren't online debating what to call the next incarnation of MLP.  And since that's the topic of discussion then, yes, there are more "bronies" active online, heavily involved in discussing the fandom and associated terms, than there are collectors active online, heavily involved in discussing the fandom and associated terms.  And that's going to be the tipping point in the battle over what to designate MLP:"?".  Not little Johnny or Suzy or my coworker who claimed she was obsessed with MLP as a child but can't remember the name of her favorite character.  I'm not saying they aren't valid fans.  But they don't care what terms are used for what. They are not involved in the discussion or  associated on either side of the debate.

And we can all have our own opinions.  In my opinion, numbers will matter.  It doesn't matter how "right" we are in determining criteria for a new generation.  If 70% of people online are using the "G5" label then it will be very difficult to get them to change to something else.  And we are at a disadvantage because people are already using the term G5 but we don't have an alternative term to use because we have to wait until the stuff actually happens before determining whether it's even worth the battle to try and change it.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 11, 2018, 09:44:39 AM

hum, hate. Well none of the below are quotes from the arena, they're all about previous generation ponies.

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They look like fat horses

I cannot stop laughing about this.  Have these people NEVER seen a pony in real life before?  By their very nature, they look like short and fat horses!!!!

Probably not. Although, not all pony breeds are little chunkers like shetlands and welsh ponies.

I met someone who actually thought that female horses had humanoid breasts to nurse their young with,  instead of teats. :facepalm:

Considering that its not hard to catch a glimpse of a horse anywhere, be it in a calender, a pony ride, a toy, or a carousel. I wonder about some of these people.

Post Merge: August 11, 2018, 09:46:32 AM

I really am sick and tired of hearing that there's more of them than us. 4 genetations. 3 decades of fans all over the world that have been around more or less for years. And the newest group magically thinks they're bigger then the collective whole? Nope. Sorry doesn't add up. The kids are fans too.

The rude adults are simply the loudest and most visible. The ones who are fans of the brand instead of the fad are part of the collective whole. Its just as ridiculous as saying that new Batman fans are bigger then the collective whole of Batman fans.

The sooner people realize that the better.

That is clearly an overreaction to what I was saying.  The kids and casual fans aren't online debating what to call the next incarnation of MLP.  And since that's the topic of discussion then, yes, there are more "bronies" active online, heavily involved in discussing the fandom and associated terms, than there are collectors active online, heavily involved in discussing the fandom and associated terms.  And that's going to be the tipping point in the battle over what to designate MLP:"?".  Not little Johnny or Suzy or my coworker who claimed she was obsessed with MLP as a child but can't remember the name of her favorite character.  I'm not saying they aren't valid fans.  But they don't care what terms are used for what. They are not involved in the discussion or  associated on either side of the debate.

And yet I'm talking about sheer numbers of fans. Not a bunch of loud adults who think they're the ultimate master race because they saw one iteration. People who grew up with or got started  with x gen, stayed with or came back too, are greater in numbers. How hard is that to understand? 


Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Sunset on August 11, 2018, 09:57:33 AM
Look Leave a Whisper, I don't want to get in a fight with you.  You were clearly reacting to my initial statement and did it in a very aggressive way that took my statement out of context of the discussion.  I won't say anymore on the subject.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 11, 2018, 10:01:58 AM
I didn't take it out of context. But I don't really wanna fight with you either. We'll leave it at that then.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: katrine2309 on August 11, 2018, 10:23:43 AM
I’m not sure that it is all about the numbers, though. I think it is equally important WHO is saying it and what impact they have in the pony community (as a whole, not only the FiM world). Just look at some of the names and terms that have been established over the years (such as Greek Ladybird or the term Nirvana ponies). None of those were established because a major number of pony collectors decided to call it that. But rather because some of the “leading voices” in our community did.

It’s also about what is stated on the most common ID sites and sites about MLP, which also has a great impact on what words and descriptions are used in the community. An example of this is the term “UK exclusive” for many of the ponies sold in Europe(not only UK). I do believe that a great number of collectors now know that ponies such as G1 Baby Katie are not a UK exclusive- but regardless, she is still very commonly referred to as a UK exclusive BECAUSE she is still listed as such in some of these sites.So, our pony sites still have a great impact on terminology and descriptions in our community. If we want/like it or not. And it is not always a positive thing, as my example illustrates :P

But my point is still this: I don’t think the fans of FiM can decide by themselves that the re-boot will be a new gen. Regardless of numbers. Especially if many of those fans will say, “hey, it’s not exactly FiM anymore, so I’m out”. Then they actually loose all power to decide anything about what is or is not G5. I think the suggestion of calling the first show “FiM”, “re-boot/Movie” etc. is actually a good one. And unless it is a total re-launch in 2020 I think it is still ALL within the G4 line. And I also think that the pony community as a whole (not only G4) absolutely have the power to decide what to call it. If we want to.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Ponyfan on August 11, 2018, 10:48:28 AM
I'm actually hoping to see some of the art trends for G4 die out. I know that art is expression but seriously some things should not even be considered with FiM or EQG.

Me too. I was trying to figure out how to say that in one of my earlier posts.  And the really said thing is that it's incredible easy to find that stuff without really looking for it. 

I will always love G1 the most. :lovey: That being said I do enjoy some FIM episodes  (including the MLP movie) and do collect a few G4 characters.  That being said I think 9 seasons of FIM is long enough and it's time for Hasbro to try something new with completely new characters and not just switch some of the Mane 6 around and create FIM 2.0


I also feel like the characters aren't as perfect as the show wants us to believe. Rarity is supposed to hold the element of generosity but too often I don't see her being generous. Twilight is supposed to be the Princess of Friendship yet she immediately judged Thorax based on the fact that he was Changeling.



Ponyfan



Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 11, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
Katrine, you put that beautifully.  And you are right. It is interesting over time what words/names/classifications have stuck and what haven't.  I think it will depend a lot on what 'the community ' is in the future.

For example people are already split on whether or not to use the term 4.5. And that is a term and discussion point here. Also I am pretty sure this community also classified FIM as G4...because those terms are really only relevant in the first instance to people concerned with multiple generations. I can't be sure but I have noticed bronies seem to use MLP:FIM a lot more than we do.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on August 11, 2018, 01:14:29 PM
If I were to put myself in their shoes I might freak out, too. To them, MLP has always been G4, and when that ends, it feels like MLP as a whole ends. They don’t consider anything before it so why should they consider anything after?

But hey maybe they’ll know how we feel, wishing for the “good ol’ days” of MLP! LOL!


Also unrelated but you missed the chance to title this “the end is NEIGH,” ha ha ha ha!!  :lmao:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 11, 2018, 02:35:13 PM
If I were to put myself in their shoes I might freak out, too. To them, MLP has always been G4, and when that ends, it feels like MLP as a whole ends. They don’t consider anything before it so why should they consider anything after?

But hey maybe they’ll know how we feel, wishing for the “good ol’ days” of MLP! LOL!


Also unrelated but you missed the chance to title this “the end is NEIGH,” ha ha ha ha!!  :lmao:

Ba dum tiss
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Al-1701 on August 11, 2018, 07:50:10 PM
Coming towards the end, I'm actually looking forward to it.  Not looking forward to them using the same character with a few species swaps.  I'm with Taffeta in that it suggests there's no creativity in MLP anymore, and it runs the risk of repeating the mistakes of Transformers Generation 2.  I can understand reusing Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie, but surely they can make new ponies and/or remake classic ponies from the three and half decades of this brand's history.  The reactions to the design notes on Applejack suggests the people who really care about the continue focus on these particular characters are gone anyway.

But what I am looking forward to is getting out from under all the baggage of Friendship is Magic within the show and without.  It's not really that great of a series.  It's been a good series, and show a lot of promise in the beginning, but it's puttered along and tried to have its cake and eat it too (acting like it has these lofty goals while never doing much with them).  That's how we've gotten six ponies who supposedly have professional lives suddenly abandoning that to teach at a friendship school.  Hopefully the new show will have better vision of what it will be (and hopefully they'll be willing to use more than just six ponies if toy ideas run into conflict instead of trying to mash them together).

And the confusion on equine mammary glands is probably the result of a fan comic about a mare with that particular anatomy.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on August 11, 2018, 11:08:51 PM
The G4 fandom has already begun to wind down; the number of comments on FiM-centred message boards or on websites is noticeably less than a few years ago. Same with the number of viewers signing in for the live stream of new episodes. I think people who were just there to be part of the fad have moved on when FiM passed its high point. The ones still around will stay to see how it ends, and probably give G5 a chance just out of curiosity.

While I agree that G4 can be laid to rest now, I do hope it gets an awesome sendoff because it sure put Pony out there for everyone to notice. A great multipart finale for the show, and a select set of creative celebratory toys would be nice. But Hasbro will probably focus its energy on the start of G5 rather than the end of G4.

Anyway, some elements from the G4 fandom can fade for good; the shipping and the questionable art was cringe worthy.

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 12, 2018, 12:22:51 AM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: katrine2309 on August 12, 2018, 12:40:05 AM
Katrine, you put that beautifully.  And you are right. It is interesting over time what words/names/classifications have stuck and what haven't.  I think it will depend a lot on what 'the community ' is in the future.

For example people are already split on whether or not to use the term 4.5. And that is a term and discussion point here. Also I am pretty sure this community also classified FIM as G4...because those terms are really only relevant in the first instance to people concerned with multiple generations. I can't be sure but I have noticed bronies seem to use MLP:FIM a lot more than we do.

I think it is interesting too :P

And it actually makes sense that the “G4” came from the overall pony community. A part of the FiM fandom is after all to view it as something totally different than previous MLP gens. They would probably not have started to call it G4 if they wanted to be set apart from the rest of MLP :huh:

I do hope with the end of FiM, it might be more common ground across generations though. I would love to see more g4 collectors and fans here, also from the brony community. All generations have different history and quirky details around releases. It is nice to learn from each other, and have a whole collective dedicated to a toy line over so many years.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on August 12, 2018, 12:46:03 AM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

Could not agree more - I'd be very happy if MLP had remained an obscure niche product and nobody really paid attention to adult fans of it beyond 'huh, that's interesting'.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: katrine2309 on August 12, 2018, 01:13:33 AM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

Could not agree more - I'd be very happy if MLP had remained an obscure niche product and nobody really paid attention to adult fans of it beyond 'huh, that's interesting'.

I agree with this so much. I’m old and cranky too  XD
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: TornadoTwist on August 12, 2018, 01:29:32 AM
I have mixed feelings. While working on the older Gens for MLPMerch I love the diversity like G1 etc has. It makes me sad to see that it's almost all M6 now. The new Cutie Mark Crew line is great though! Still bring on G5 with hopefully new Chatacters.

The downside is that I sell quite some G4 stuff on my sites. Im afraid I will loose some of my income overtime. Still I also do G1 though. :P

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: katrine2309 on August 12, 2018, 02:53:27 AM
I did a search because I never saw the leaked images of the re-launch or the schedule plan for upcoming seasons. And I was a little :huh:.

To me, it all does look a little fan-based to be honest. I did see two different planning schedules too. One were everything up to 2020 were called FiM (not G4 by the way), and after 2020 and the prequel movie it just says G5 season. Which surprised me a little as I never previously seen Hasbro define any new line as a generation before?

The other planning schedule I saw was calling it FiM up to the movie release in 2017, and then there was G5 season, prequel movie in 2019 and G6 sason. Which made me just laugh out load to be honest. I mean what I saw and read about this I didn’t see anything that led me to believe this was anything but fan-based. Also it seems to be a schedule plan for the show and upcoming movies. To me, it is strange and incorrect to use terms as G5 and G6 when you are not referring to the toy line, only the FiM show. Afterall, it is the toy line that will (if that is happening at all) be going into a new generation. Not the FiM show.

The fact that Hasbro has not confirmed or denied anything only implies that they are working on something they are not ready to share yet. But that doesn’t mean it is anything similar to the leaked info. I find it quite plausible that a fandom built up on artwork and creativity would have the imagination to create those drawings. In fact, I have seen that art style been used plenty when drawing ponies.

So, for everyone calling it G5 as it is already here. What information am I missing?? I honestly want to know, because I couldn’t find anything that was even slightly convincing towards this actually being legit. I am, truth be told, a little confused XD
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 12, 2018, 03:50:51 AM
I don't think anyone can be sure they are genuine or not, to be honest. There are a lot of questions without answers and gaps in the knowledge. I think we will just have to wait and see. I half wonder if some of the material was leaked on purpose to get feedback from the potential fanbase. What I do know is that actual episodes in incomplete state were leaked online at the same time...so those would be genuine. I didn't watch them so don't know how incomplete they were...but I think that added authenticity to the other leaked material.

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 12, 2018, 04:21:17 AM
We do have a thread for G5 speculation and a thread for the leaks, and I already said this in there, but there were so many more designs leaked than just the "fanartist look". It was all very typical "I was asked to/I want to pitch my redesign to Hasbro based on what they want" stuff.
It also happens that some artists can influence or get influenced by fandom artists and both can overlap. Lots of freelancers started out as fanart creators.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on August 12, 2018, 05:42:28 AM
The reason we can figure they're legit is because the leak they were included in also included unfinished season 8 episodes, as well as a list of every season 8 episode, these leaks came out before the season began and it's been entirely accurate so far.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 12, 2018, 08:59:36 AM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

Could not agree more - I'd be very happy if MLP had remained an obscure niche product and nobody really paid attention to adult fans of it beyond 'huh, that's interesting'.

I will happily climb onto that Cranky Old Person Couch with you guys.  GIT OFFA MY LAWN!!!
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 12, 2018, 09:06:35 AM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

Could not agree more - I'd be very happy if MLP had remained an obscure niche product and nobody really paid attention to adult fans of it beyond 'huh, that's interesting'.

I will happily climb onto that Cranky Old Person Couch with you guys.  GIT OFFA MY LAWN!!!

 :beerchug:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 12, 2018, 09:54:22 AM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

Could not agree more - I'd be very happy if MLP had remained an obscure niche product and nobody really paid attention to adult fans of it beyond 'huh, that's interesting'.

I will happily climb onto that Cranky Old Person Couch with you guys.  GIT OFFA MY LAWN!!!

We're mlps fans. We don't have lawns, we have meadows and moats!
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: katrine2309 on August 12, 2018, 12:34:22 PM
Thank you everyone who has answered my question :) I do appreciate it, and you see- I was missing information about it because I didn’t know about the episodes ;) I’m still not sure though to be honest, but I will wait in anticipation :biggrin:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Esbayne on August 12, 2018, 03:19:11 PM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

Could not agree more - I'd be very happy if MLP had remained an obscure niche product and nobody really paid attention to adult fans of it beyond 'huh, that's interesting'.

I will happily climb onto that Cranky Old Person Couch with you guys.  GIT OFFA MY LAWN!!!

We're mlps fans. We don't have lawns, we have meadows and moats!

Lmao, count me in as a cranky old person as well, then!
The main thing I hate about it is if anyone hears "Pony" now they just start making all these assumptions, and what they have in their mind is G4, bronies, etc. I liked being able to say I was an MLP collector before without the stigma or assumptions.

I'm late to the party here but I also agree that if what was released was real, I would consider it G4.5, not G5, for the reasons already stated- It's not a new generation, it's a reboot. That's why G3.5 is considered as such and not G4.
I also disagree that G4 gets much hate here- having constructive criticism and politely worded opinions on what you dislike isn't hate. I don't HATE G4, by any means. I actively collect them and hunt them down, and have a huge majority of all the original characters released as toys. That being said, I would also like to see them disappear forever, from any gen that is not G4 alone. I mean, it's reasonable. Do we see Minty, Sunnydaze, or Starsong anymore? Or Ivy and Sundance from G2? We don't, because they're in the past and the new generations have been just that, new, in entirety. That's what I want again- not another reboot.

That being said again though, I agree with Katrine that I think the leak was either 1) Fanart or 2) Leaked on purpose to gauge reaction, it seems very reasonable. The episodes being leaked at the same time does add to the evidence though, so then I'd lean more towards "gauging reactions." I can definitely see it happening. If not, then fingers crossed that that is what it won't be. I do really like the art style they're trying out there, but please, for the love of Majesty, get rid of the main 6!!! I wouldn't even care if it's another core group, because I understand that's what they've been trying out for years now since Core 7 G3, but please, a NEW group!!
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Al-1701 on August 12, 2018, 03:50:59 PM
Come to think of it, there have been no new leaks and absolutely no official press about what will come next.  We're only a year or two away from this, so you would think we would hear something.  Maybe at New York Comic Con or next year's Toy Fair.

Really, even sticking with bringing back G3 ponies, I would like something different.  Like Merriweather as a pegasus weather mare.
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Post by: Baby Sugarberry on August 12, 2018, 03:55:37 PM
Come to think of it, there have been no new leaks and absolutely no official press about what will come next.  We're only a year or two away from this, so you would think we would hear something.  Maybe at New York Comic Con or next year's Toy Fair.

If the leak wasn't intentional, I'd expect there were some very Stern Talking To's that went on about corporate security and possibly some lost jobs or even legal action.  Big companies take breach of NDA's pretty seriously. 
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 13, 2018, 03:19:31 AM
There is the current and the next season to go. Why would Hasbro sabotage this? They are rolling out the Cutie Mark Crew right now, what should they say? "We will replace all of this very soon. But please stay invested." ? :lol:

If the last FiM season is 2019 and the G5 movie and show is slated for 2020, there is still enough time to plan a smooth transition. We know they moved to Boulder Media for their next series and there was a call for animators to work on a secret movie project there. Given how much time it takes to make an animated movie, this can only be the G5 movie.

It all fits together. I figure the last FiM season will have an ending that leads right into G5 (or closes G4 in an obvious way). The leak e-mails had a schedule that showed two more toylines, one of them holiday themed and the last season is supposed to show Celestia's backstory.
Still a lot of things to see and buy. If I was a Hasbro employee I'd never ever announce and end right now. Pony is forever :P
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 13, 2018, 07:38:17 AM
Have we heard any official news about the movie? 2020 is only two years away, and I thought it was meant to be a theatrical release?
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 13, 2018, 09:07:50 AM
Have we heard any official news about the movie? 2020 is only two years away, and I thought it was meant to be a theatrical release?

No. But Boulder Media was hiring for new animators to work on a Hasbro movie for 2020. They posted that on their official twitter only months after the leaks that confirmed a G5 movie for 2020 in cooperation with Boulder Media.
Can't get more official than that. Also, I repeat myself, but why should they announce a new gen when the old gen still has stuff to sell and one more season to go?
It's bad business.
That's also why I don't believe the leaks were done by Hasbro. They leaked entire season 7 episodes along with the e-mails and dozens of pitch art. Also the e-mails talked about kids as the target audience. Nowhere did they say 'I wonder what adults will want'. That's just being a self-centered fan who thinks MLP is produced for them.

A Brony hacker or bad little intern who leaks stuff that is then whiped from several websites because they fear a Hasbro crackdown is not carefully calculated by this big of a toy company. They do not need our approval. They want to bring in a new generation of kids as the old fandom is outgrowing FiM already.
It's business as usual. It really confuses me how adamant some people here are in not believeing it :P

I remember when the Monster High redesign was "leaked" by someone who talked to a Mattel employee one year before the redesign would slowly dribble in. I didn't believe it and I laughed at rhe "insider". A year later all the things she wrote about came true. And that was mere hearsay, not folders full of e-mails and at least 15 different art styles attached to RL illustrators and character artists.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 13, 2018, 09:20:48 AM
Oh, I wasn't doubting the validity of the leaks, just wondering if they were still going for the plan. After the entire MLP Movie got leaked in HD a day or two before release in theatres, I had no problem believing this round's.
We'll just have to wait to see if they market the movie as a New Generation or some sort of tie-in to FiM's universe.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 13, 2018, 09:22:46 AM

That's also why I don't believe the leaks were done by Hasbro. They leaked entire season 7 episodes along with the e-mails and dozens of pitch art. Also the e-mails talked about kids as the target audience. Nowhere did they say 'I wonder what adults will want'. That's just being a self-centered fan who thinks MLP is produced for them.

Maybe I missed something, but I don't remember anyone actually saying it was leaked to see how bronies would feel (or we would feel) about it. Just that it might have been market research. Let's not forget that a lot of the G1 fandom age group have children in the FIM target age group. Let's also remember how much parents have influenced changes in other toy lines by their approval or otherwise (see Monster High being 'too scary').

But the reason I am keeping my mind open on this is because there are a lot of things that are odd. I mean, as someone said, NDA are pretty serious. And yet there's not been a huge clampdown on this stuff from Hasbro. I would've thought that a hacking would have created a different kind of response from Hasbro :/ So to me it seems plausible that one of two options are in play.

One, the material is not significant in terms of knowledge about G5. For example, designs that were discussed but discarded. Yes, the eps were leaked, but then again that provided pretty good advertising and anticipation for the school of friendship stuff coming out so that's not necessarily the end of the world and it was going to come out soon anyway.

Two, Hasbro intended the material to be out to see what reactions people gave.

Of course, option 3 is still that none of it is authentic and the rest of the leak has nothing to do with the leaked episodes which were obviously real.

The other thing is that this leak wasn't Hasbro's main base, but the TV company, right? So we're talking about designs for a potential TV show using recycled characters for a rehashed version of FIM at some point in the future. We've seen absolutely nothing that tells us about any toy line (if there is to be one), who the key characters are, whether they are the characters we've seen drawings of, or anything else that will directly involve Hasbro and not a franchise.

So to me it seems whatever this is probably is not invented, but may also be the smallest and least sensitive or important aspect of the reboot reveal - and its leaking may actually benefit Hasbro by distracting people (especially bronies) from thinking about what Hasbro themselves are or are not developing...

I am just a very cynical person I guess. It's not that I believe the leak is fake, just that I think there are no coincidences.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 13, 2018, 09:30:49 AM
Oh, I wasn't doubting the validity of the leaks, just wondering if they were still going for the plan. After the entire MLP Movie got leaked in HD a day or two before release in theatres, I had no problem believing this round's.
We'll just have to wait to see if they market the movie as a New Generation or some sort of tie-in to FiM's universe.

I was just using your comment as a jumping off point for a rant  :lol:
Being nosy I wish there were more leaks coming in but after that bomb last year I assume they upped their game a little. And I understand they will go forth with G5 no matter what feedback they'd be getting. Because if people are already being hired as of January that means pre-production has already kicked in.

I just don't get why some people believe that leak was orchestrated by Hasbro. These things happen so rarely, almost never with kids media. Its as if people believed the movie was being leaked by Hasbro for Bronies to enjoy for free because they would get "beaten up" in theaters full of angry dads. Which is something I read in various forums. The delusion was real!

Not even in Hasbro's in-house plans they had a picture standing in for Bronies. The "older fan" in their eyes are young women who do cosplay and like MLP fashion products. And I doubt they give enough of a damn about that fanbase to leak episodes and mails à la the Sony Hack to gauge their interest.
Allthough I'm sure they saw some of the more extreme reactions to the leak. So I hope they saw mine and keep in mind that I don't want a male Applejack :lol:

Post Merge: August 13, 2018, 09:52:46 AM

(...) it might have been market research. Let's not forget that a lot of the G1 fandom age group have children in the FIM target age group. Let's also remember how much parents have influenced changes in other toy lines by their approval or otherwise (see Monster High being 'too scary').

But they hold official market research meetings and events with select families for exactly that purpose. One guy leaking a bunch of stuff together with half finished episodes just for market research is unbelievable to me.

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But the reason I am keeping my mind open on this is because there are a lot of things that are odd. I mean, as someone said, NDA are pretty serious. And yet there's not been a huge clampdown on this stuff from Hasbro. I would've thought that a hacking would have created a different kind of response from Hasbro :/ So to me it seems plausible that one of two options are in play.

Hasbro is a tad more relaxed about that stuff than let's say Mattel. Hasbro lets people create XXX pony plushies as long as they are not saying it's official. They also took their sweet time to finally send a cease and desist to a certain XXX artist with his particular Celestia crap. The thing they reacted quickly on was full episodes on youtube.
And within only days the leaked episodes were scrubbed off the net. I know because I tried to watch one only days after the leak and it said "removed due to copyright infringement".
So it took them a little but they made sure the eps disappear from the biggest sources. If that was marketing research it was very poorly done :lol:

In the end, the easiest explanation is a dude wanted to leak pony stuff and found a motherload. If it was an employee he most likely got fired for it.
Leaks have their own fandom. People leak things because they can. It doesn't always have to be about a conspiracy.

But like I said, Hasbro social media peeps probably used some of that leak to look at reactions and in the end they might have profited from it a little. Sure. Just not in the way actual market research would be done.
Silly they would orchestrate that for MLP only. You'd think Transformers would be more important to them, so why didn't they leak Cyberverse episodes and Bumblebee movie e-mails? I would have wanted to see that and tell them I hate the CG animation :lol: If the new MLP movie looks like that... no thanks :P
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Wardah on August 13, 2018, 12:35:17 PM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

What about the merch like clothes in adult sizes and such? Like nothing exists for LPS and that's sad.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Carrehz on August 14, 2018, 07:40:27 AM
The main thing I hate about it is if anyone hears "Pony" now they just start making all these assumptions, and what they have in their mind is G4, bronies, etc. I liked being able to say I was an MLP collector before without the stigma or assumptions.

This is what upsets me about it all. I don't care about what people do in their own corners of the internet, whatever, if it makes them happy that's nice, just keep it away from me. But I feel like whenever I mention liking MLP, I have to immediately add the disclaimer "not FiM, I'm not a brony" and it's irritating/disheartening/whatever word you want to use.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on August 14, 2018, 08:45:45 AM
The main thing I hate about it is if anyone hears "Pony" now they just start making all these assumptions, and what they have in their mind is G4, bronies, etc. I liked being able to say I was an MLP collector before without the stigma or assumptions.

This is what upsets me about it all. I don't care about what people do in their own corners of the internet, whatever, if it makes them happy that's nice, just keep it away from me. But I feel like whenever I mention liking MLP, I have to immediately add the disclaimer "not FiM, I'm not a brony" and it's irritating/disheartening/whatever word you want to use.

This, so much this.  -_-; 
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 14, 2018, 08:47:11 AM
The main thing I hate about it is if anyone hears "Pony" now they just start making all these assumptions, and what they have in their mind is G4, bronies, etc. I liked being able to say I was an MLP collector before without the stigma or assumptions.

This is what upsets me about it all. I don't care about what people do in their own corners of the internet, whatever, if it makes them happy that's nice, just keep it away from me. But I feel like whenever I mention liking MLP, I have to immediately add the disclaimer "not FiM, I'm not a brony" and it's irritating/disheartening/whatever word you want to use.

 :iconclap:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 14, 2018, 09:29:23 AM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

What about the merch like clothes in adult sizes and such? Like nothing exists for LPS and that's sad.

I am happy to lose the merchandise if it means that pony goes back to being something enjoyed by those who know it, not fad followed by internet memers and misinterpreted by whole swathes of the 'real world' as something to do with adult males or people who want to become unicorns or whatever.

I like a lot of the G4 pony toys (non mane 6, although I do still love my original AJ and Rarity that I brought back from Finland), so I guess my cranky old person gripes are with the show and the kind of fandom it spawned, rather than the generation or the toys. I am over the mane 6 like a lot of people, but I would've enjoyed G4 much more without the cartoon.

When you have had to remove explicit MLP images from a non-MLP related website as part of a spam war between two stupid teenage boys, you realise that there are problems with MLP being public property. You can't unsee that stuff :/

I was a pony collector in 1985, a pony collector in 1995, in 2005 and in 2015. I've bought ponies from every generation new and enjoyed each for its own merits. The publicity is anathema to me.  I'll still be a pony collector in 2025, even if FIM is a long forgotten memory. If it means losing some merch, so be it. I can deal. It's easy enough to make shirts if you really want them (and thanks to sites like redbubble, get some really stunning G1 designs). A lot of real merch has errors in the graphics or the labelling, anyway - or is ridiculously expensive (eg Moschino).

I love the G4 ponies I have. But I am ready for the hype to move on to something else.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Wardah on August 14, 2018, 05:20:04 PM
I'm going to be old and cranky now but I would have been fine not having pony 'put out there'. From a community and a fan point of view, there isn't really any benefit to mass outside attention on MLP.

What about the merch like clothes in adult sizes and such? Like nothing exists for LPS and that's sad.

I am happy to lose the merchandise if it means that pony goes back to being something enjoyed by those who know it, not fad followed by internet memers and misinterpreted by whole swathes of the 'real world' as something to do with adult males or people who want to become unicorns or whatever.

I like a lot of the G4 pony toys (non mane 6, although I do still love my original AJ and Rarity that I brought back from Finland), so I guess my cranky old person gripes are with the show and the kind of fandom it spawned, rather than the generation or the toys. I am over the mane 6 like a lot of people, but I would've enjoyed G4 much more without the cartoon.

When you have had to remove explicit MLP images from a non-MLP related website as part of a spam war between two stupid teenage boys, you realise that there are problems with MLP being public property. You can't unsee that stuff :/

I was a pony collector in 1985, a pony collector in 1995, in 2005 and in 2015. I've bought ponies from every generation new and enjoyed each for its own merits. The publicity is anathema to me.  I'll still be a pony collector in 2025, even if FIM is a long forgotten memory. If it means losing some merch, so be it. I can deal. It's easy enough to make shirts if you really want them (and thanks to sites like redbubble, get some really stunning G1 designs). A lot of real merch has errors in the graphics or the labelling, anyway - or is ridiculously expensive (eg Moschino).

I love the G4 ponies I have. But I am ready for the hype to move on to something else.

Also I bet a lot of the G1 themed stuff would have still happened even if FIM hadn't attracted the fanbase it did. After all Care Bears and Strawberry Shortcake get plenty of attention and they don't have any kind of "brony" equivalent.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 15, 2018, 08:34:28 AM
Yeah MLP nostalgia is also part of that general 80s toy nostalgia because the kids from back then are having kids themselves (and disposeable income).

Still, I think some attention was brought back to G1 because FiM attracted a new female fanbase as well. Those cosplaying young women I mentioned earlier. Hasbro took note of those and declared them the target group for the nostalgic merch.
Not to mention the focus on the same G1 ponies over and over again. If it was for pony collectors they would use more obscure characters or just Mimic on everything :lol:
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 15, 2018, 09:19:34 AM
Yeah MLP nostalgia is also part of that general 80s toy nostalgia because the kids from back then are having kids themselves (and disposeable income).

Still, I think some attention was brought back to G1 because FiM attracted a new female fanbase as well. Those cosplaying young women I mentioned earlier. Hasbro took note of those and declared them the target group for the nostalgic merch.
Not to mention the focus on the same G1 ponies over and over again. If it was for pony collectors they would use more obscure characters or just Mimic on everything :lol:

Don't we wish.

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 15, 2018, 10:14:18 AM
I wouldn't actually be surprised if they are entirely separate.

I mean, we've seen retro ponies before, albeit with mixed success.

We also had the dollymix ponies which at least here in the UK had a range of G1 ponies at the time G3 was out.

I am not totally sure when Primark (especially) began to sell pony stuff. I think it's definitely reached a pitch with the planned release of Rainbow ponies, but it's been happening for a while. I have a top with Sundance, Lofty and a rainbow on it which I've had a long time...I think pre G4. I also have a couple from the US which are even older than that.

I admit I am fed up with seeing the word 'Sparkle' anywhere on images of Princess Amethyst, but it proves it's all coming out of the US, not from any UK source. But when you see weird art errors on the ponies like Moonstone being white or Princess Amethyst with Windy's rainbow hair/Windy with weird pink sequin hair it also feels a little bit like they're throwing it together without caring about accuracy. They're not looking to appeal to bronies, who favour G4, or G1 fans, who notice those differences - but just the people on an 1980s nostalgia kick...

Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Esbayne on August 15, 2018, 10:53:28 AM
Yeah MLP nostalgia is also part of that general 80s toy nostalgia because the kids from back then are having kids themselves (and disposeable income).

Still, I think some attention was brought back to G1 because FiM attracted a new female fanbase as well. Those cosplaying young women I mentioned earlier. Hasbro took note of those and declared them the target group for the nostalgic merch.
Not to mention the focus on the same G1 ponies over and over again. If it was for pony collectors they would use more obscure characters or just Mimic on everything :lol:

Don't we wish.



Oooh, or maybe some boy ponies. (If Hasbro was targeting us)
A shirt with all the Mountain Boys on it sounds amazing.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 15, 2018, 11:03:46 AM
Yeah MLP nostalgia is also part of that general 80s toy nostalgia because the kids from back then are having kids themselves (and disposeable income).

Still, I think some attention was brought back to G1 because FiM attracted a new female fanbase as well. Those cosplaying young women I mentioned earlier. Hasbro took note of those and declared them the target group for the nostalgic merch.
Not to mention the focus on the same G1 ponies over and over again. If it was for pony collectors they would use more obscure characters or just Mimic on everything :lol:

Don't we wish.



Oooh, or maybe some boy ponies. (If Hasbro was targeting us)
A shirt with all the Mountain Boys on it sounds amazing.

:frolic: That would make me happy, but I want Repro Mountain Boys to be sold. EVERYWHERE.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 15, 2018, 11:07:01 AM
I am imagining the rage if TBD made them and then only sold them in the UK xD.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 15, 2018, 11:20:55 AM
I am imagining the rage if TBD made them and then only sold them in the UK xD.


I'd foresee an uptick in vacays to the UK if they did that. XD See the sights. Soak up the culture and history. Buy Mountain Boys en masse.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 15, 2018, 11:28:36 AM
I am imagining the rage if TBD made them and then only sold them in the UK xD.


I'd foresee an uptick in vacays to the UK if they did that. XD See the sights. Soak up the culture and history. Buy Mountain Boys en masse.

Our economy could probably use the boost. *Goes to petition TBD* ;)
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Majesty on August 15, 2018, 11:55:51 AM
IMHO I am shocked that G4 is still going... I thought for sure they'd stop at Season/Year 5.  But... it was unexpectedly a cash cow with the surprise demographic of bronies.  So of course Hasbro wants to drag it out as far as they can.  But all good things must come to an end... I just want it to happen SOON so I can decide if I like G5 and if I get to pay attention to toy releases over the next ten more years, or just continue to ignore them all.

I agree, even maybe season 4 or possibly 3.  To be honest that's where I was less interested and just watched it for something to watch.  I don't watch it anymore, because it seems to focus on characters from the new movie which I didn't watch, nor do I intend to watch.  I watch the first episode of the new season to see if I would want to watch it and it had new characters which were from the movie since they talked about the "events" that happened in the movie.  I only know of the main enemy or boss and they talked about how they defeated her and that was enough for me to figure it out.

I mean I feel like G4 is dying and has been for a while, they're even ending BronyCon, not sure if that has to do with less interest than in the beginning or not.

But, Hasbro has brought back MLP a few times so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried again with G5.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Jorgito93 on August 15, 2018, 12:31:43 PM
IMHO I am shocked that G4 is still going... I thought for sure they'd stop at Season/Year 5.  But... it was unexpectedly a cash cow with the surprise demographic of bronies.  So of course Hasbro wants to drag it out as far as they can.  But all good things must come to an end... I just want it to happen SOON so I can decide if I like G5 and if I get to pay attention to toy releases over the next ten more years, or just continue to ignore them all.

I agree, even maybe season 4 or possibly 3.  To be honest that's where I was less interested and just watched it for something to watch.  I don't watch it anymore, because it seems to focus on characters from the new movie which I didn't watch, nor do I intend to watch.  I watch the first episode of the new season to see if I would want to watch it and it had new characters which were from the movie since they talked about the "events" that happened in the movie.  I only know of the main enemy or boss and they talked about how they defeated her and that was enough for me to figure it out.

I mean I feel like G4 is dying and has been for a while, they're even ending BronyCon, not sure if that has to do with less interest than in the beginning or not.

But, Hasbro has brought back MLP a few times so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried again with G5.
No characters from the movie came back, and the only links to it in the latest season (which is the first season after it chronologically) is the first minute of the first episode that explains why a major character from the movie isn't here and that the events of the movie are why the map extends, and the existence of the seaponies/hippogryphs (but the only 2 important ones from the movie don't come back). It doesn't focus on the movie at all, and the new characters (mostly the student 6) were all introduced this season. I'm not saying it's a must watch since it had a few really bad episodes and it's far from the best season of the show, but it has some good/great episodes and not watching it because "it focuses on characters from the movie" is a completly wrong reason.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Majesty on August 17, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
IMHO I am shocked that G4 is still going... I thought for sure they'd stop at Season/Year 5.  But... it was unexpectedly a cash cow with the surprise demographic of bronies.  So of course Hasbro wants to drag it out as far as they can.  But all good things must come to an end... I just want it to happen SOON so I can decide if I like G5 and if I get to pay attention to toy releases over the next ten more years, or just continue to ignore them all.

I agree, even maybe season 4 or possibly 3.  To be honest that's where I was less interested and just watched it for something to watch.  I don't watch it anymore, because it seems to focus on characters from the new movie which I didn't watch, nor do I intend to watch.  I watch the first episode of the new season to see if I would want to watch it and it had new characters which were from the movie since they talked about the "events" that happened in the movie.  I only know of the main enemy or boss and they talked about how they defeated her and that was enough for me to figure it out.

I mean I feel like G4 is dying and has been for a while, they're even ending BronyCon, not sure if that has to do with less interest than in the beginning or not.

But, Hasbro has brought back MLP a few times so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried again with G5.
No characters from the movie came back, and the only links to it in the latest season (which is the first season after it chronologically) is the first minute of the first episode that explains why a major character from the movie isn't here and that the events of the movie are why the map extends, and the existence of the seaponies/hippogryphs (but the only 2 important ones from the movie don't come back). It doesn't focus on the movie at all, and the new characters (mostly the student 6) were all introduced this season. I'm not saying it's a must watch since it had a few really bad episodes and it's far from the best season of the show, but it has some good/great episodes and not watching it because "it focuses on characters from the movie" is a completly wrong reason.

It can be a wrong reason to not want to watch it if it's my reason.  Since you've seen more of the season then I have I'll take your word on no references to the movie, I see what you mean by "wrong reason" from that perspective.  I saw the new breeds of animals in the school and that was my reference to the movie, along with talking about defeating the enemy.  But, overall, in my opinion, FIM has gone downhill and I don't get any joy from watching it anymore and it seems like the show has lost what was once good about it.  Things don't make sense and the focus of the show seems to be going in a wrong direction.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Majesty on August 19, 2018, 01:14:03 PM
OK so I decided to give season 8 a chance.  I had some serious catching up to do...watching some videos online (some of which were mirrored making the voices highpitched and what not for copyright violations) but I got the point of it.  It wasn't actually that bad.  I'm at the point now where I'm just waiting for new episodes.  There were a few references to the Storm King and we saw the transformation of the sea ponies, etc but now I feel like I should watch the movie just to fill in any gaps.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 19, 2018, 01:42:25 PM
I find myself becoming bored with the season as it is. I still enjoyed the movie a lot more than any ep that came out this season.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Taffeta on August 19, 2018, 04:14:21 PM
I switched into what I think was an episode of this series a few weeks back. Celestia was a really bad actresss and Twilight didn't want to tell her.

The reason I wasn't totally sure if it was a part of this same school motif was that the non-pony species characters were basically just stage dressing. I am not even sure if any of them had lines, they just seemed to be there...
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 20, 2018, 04:22:36 PM
It sounds like more stuff got leaked regarding G5. I can't find exact things because Reddit is down now, but it sounds like G4 is nearly over at this point.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: flutterscotch on August 21, 2018, 06:31:46 AM
It sounds like more stuff got leaked regarding G5. I can't find exact things because Reddit is down now, but it sounds like G4 is nearly over at this point.

Here you go, spoiler warning/general Reddit warning.  https://www.reddit.com/r/mylittleredacted/comments/95qwhi/mlp_generation_5_email_info/
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 21, 2018, 06:58:21 AM
It sounds like more stuff got leaked regarding G5. I can't find exact things because Reddit is down now, but it sounds like G4 is nearly over at this point.

Here you go, spoiler warning/general Reddit warning.  https://www.reddit.com/r/mylittleredacted/comments/95qwhi/mlp_generation_5_email_info/

I hope these leaks are true because
Spoiler
"Inspired by Star vs Forces of Evil" sounds perfect for MLP and could finally give me what I wanted since watching RAMNC for the first time: pony adventures with high stakes.

Three pony kingdoms sounds interesting. The other races sound cool! But I hope "human sized dragons" does not mean they are too anthropomorphic.

The only thing I hate is Spike still having a crush on Rarity. Stop. Nobody needs this. It leads nowhere and only makes Rarity look "mean" for rightfully saying no to him.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 21, 2018, 08:21:28 AM
Yeah, I'm ready to do away with Spike's crush on Rarity entirely. He's a kid and people still ship him with Rarity. Bad vibes.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Zapper on August 21, 2018, 10:22:27 AM
Yeah, I'm ready to do away with Spike's crush on Rarity entirely. He's a kid and people still ship him with Rarity. Bad vibes.

Even if he was older, the way they always portrayed this crush was/is weird. Like they couldn't decide if Rarity should be aware of it or not. So uncomfortable.
Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: flutterscotch on August 21, 2018, 04:59:43 PM
It'll be OK, Toy Galaxy released a video about how to deal with reboot angst.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u0kFCyqD2U
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Post by: lalalei2001 on August 23, 2018, 10:37:19 PM
I think Spike's crush on Rarity was meant to be a precocious crush, but they kinda wrote themselves into a corner because it couldn't really go anywhere or be acknowledged except on his end.

Maybe they got inspired by this moment from G3 with Pinkie Pie :p

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Title: Re: g4 fandom paranoia. THE END IS NIGH!
Post by: Sky_Rocket_Sammie on August 23, 2018, 11:25:03 PM
It could have been cute but it's cringe-worthy and some on the internet ran with it and now it's just creepy. I'll just sit back with my popcorn and see what unfolds. Because I'm not really into the show beyond season two, the end is being met with curiosity.

That said if it's a retread of the core 7 for the show and toys I'll seriously walk away from the current ponies.
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