I think we would need firm actual proof as to whether this is a risk factor for g1 or whether it is general guidance for old toys rather than specifically relevant to us. Probably we would need someone to do lab tests. I would personally rather react to proven data in the right way than general data without firm guidance.
Maybe toy safety regulations would also provide clues...I know here in the UK lead was already strictly regulated in kids toys by the 1970s. Of course regulated does not necessarily mean absent. It might also be a concern with sone Nirvana of poorer production quality more than mainstream ponies which probably had to meet global rather than specific requirements.
I think we would need firm actual proof as to whether this is a risk factor for g1 or whether it is general guidance for old toys rather than specifically relevant to us. Probably we would need someone to do lab tests. I would personally rather react to proven data in the right way than general data without firm guidance.
Maybe toy safety regulations would also provide clues...I know here in the UK lead was already strictly regulated in kids toys by the 1970s. Of course regulated does not necessarily mean absent. It might also be a concern with sone Nirvana of poorer production quality more than mainstream ponies which probably had to meet global rather than specific requirements.
https://neha.org/node/1310
You can find the PDF research document through that webpage. I assume this is what OP is referring to
We haven't suffered any ill effects. Just don't chew on em or give em to little ones who chew on em and you should be fine.
Are G1 ponies safe?
I think we would need firm actual proof as to whether this is a risk factor for g1 or whether it is general guidance for old toys rather than specifically relevant to us. Probably we would need someone to do lab tests. I would personally rather react to proven data in the right way than general data without firm guidance.
Maybe toy safety regulations would also provide clues...I know here in the UK lead was already strictly regulated in kids toys by the 1970s. Of course regulated does not necessarily mean absent. It might also be a concern with sone Nirvana of poorer production quality more than mainstream ponies which probably had to meet global rather than specific requirements.
https://neha.org/node/1310
You can find the PDF research document through that webpage. I assume this is what OP is referring to
Yeah, I've seen that report before, but I'll explain what I mean by it not being overly clearcut from my perspective. Please remember I'm not a scientist, so I may just be being an idiot, but looking at it as I would analyse anything in my research field, what I'm getting from it is the following:Spoiler-Old toys can contain lead.
-MLP is listed as a tested toy under the category 1970s-1980s PVC. That is a very wide category, taking into consideration two decades of toys. You'd expect therefore a wide range of products to fit into this category.
-Number of toys tested overall in this category was apparently 26 (presume different brands) This is fewer than the non PVC test, which means by definition that each item carries heavier weight in the % calculation (26/100 vs 77/100).
- The smaller testing pool probably also indicates higher likelihood of each toy containing some material, but again it is not clear how many or which, because it is not possible to add up the number recorded (over 26) because of duplicated results that are not identified as such. Remember we are also talking about 26 toys selected from potentially any year of production from 1970-1989, and any production company and country. Those are not specified, although I think for this investigation they are really important (especially for those of us who collect multiple old toys).
-The report figures doesn't state which toys contained which material. It only states number of toys in the category, and number that contained a material.
So the numbers are vague, not specific. They indicate a potential problem but don't tell us what it is or how far it extends in terms of vintage toys. We need to look at the write up for that information.
The write up of the experiment for this category does not mention my Little Pony once. It mentions specifically different shades of tone and the impact of lead, but it cites examples of Barbie skin tone and barbie shoes rather than anything relating to MLP. We could draw the assumption from this that darker coloured MLPs are more dangerous, or we could draw the assumption that MLP were not toys in the category that contained lead. The reality is that because we don't have a specific reference to MLP here, we just don't know.
Barbie were made by Mattel in Mattel factories, and there's nothing specific in that report for Hasbro made pony products in the same time period, made in different factories from a different balance of ingredients.
We need to know for sure with a test specifically on MLP rather than general information before we know to what degree there might be danger in our toys. From what I can see, this report does not say anything about lead in MLP. The only mention it makes of MLP that I can see is that they were included in the tests, not that they form part of either the 69% or the 31%. Therefore as I said before we need actual specific lab tests on MLP that give us specific readings and information before we can know if this is or isn't something we need to pay attention to.
If I misread the science, then I am open to correction xD. But I don't think this tells us anything at all about whether or not G1 is safe.
That's not to say there are no toxins, but the level of risk, if any, is the thing which is not clear.
As long as you don't eat the ponies...you'll all be fine.
What is the quote from Fantastic Beasts? "Worrying means you suffer twice."
As long as you don't eat the ponies...you'll all be fine.
You...you mean MLPs aren't for eating? Why does no one tell me these things?
:silly:
QuoteAre G1 ponies safe?
No.
I have evidence that they cause a very serious illness. It's horrible in fact. I'm a survivor of this horrible illness.
See, this one day when I was around 11 I went to the store with my mother and she allowed me to buy 2 my little pony.
Little did I know what a mistake that was. 34 years later I am still dealing with this terrible affliction.
See, these little monsters multiply and take over your bedroom and next think you know you've got a full blown pony infection...
There is no cure.
QuoteAre G1 ponies safe?
No.
I have evidence that they cause a very serious illness. It's horrible in fact. I'm a survivor of this horrible illness.
See, this one day when I was around 11 I went to the store with my mother and she allowed me to buy 2 my little pony.
Little did I know what a mistake that was. 34 years later I am still dealing with this terrible affliction.
See, these little monsters multiply and take over your bedroom and next think you know you've got a full blown pony infection...
There is no cure.
QuoteAre G1 ponies safe?
No.
I have evidence that they cause a very serious illness. It's horrible in fact. I'm a survivor of this horrible illness.
See, this one day when I was around 11 I went to the store with my mother and she allowed me to buy 2 my little pony.
Little did I know what a mistake that was. 34 years later I am still dealing with this terrible affliction.
See, these little monsters multiply and take over your bedroom and next think you know you've got a full blown pony infection...
There is no cure.
Oh noes! I'm infected too! :shocked:
They'll just hafta ship us all off on to an island where we can indulge our pony affliction FOREVER! :newpony:
QuoteAre G1 ponies safe?
No.
I have evidence that they cause a very serious illness. It's horrible in fact. I'm a survivor of this horrible illness.
See, this one day when I was around 11 I went to the store with my mother and she allowed me to buy 2 my little pony.
Little did I know what a mistake that was. 34 years later I am still dealing with this terrible affliction.
See, these little monsters multiply and take over your bedroom and next think you know you've got a full blown pony infection...
There is no cure.
Oh noes! I'm infected too! :shocked:
They'll just hafta ship us all off on to an island where we can indulge our pony affliction FOREVER! :newpony:
I see a problem with this. Will the island have a reliable postal service via which we can receive pony refugees?
QuoteAre G1 ponies safe?
No.
I have evidence that they cause a very serious illness. It's horrible in fact. I'm a survivor of this horrible illness.
See, this one day when I was around 11 I went to the store with my mother and she allowed me to buy 2 my little pony.
Little did I know what a mistake that was. 34 years later I am still dealing with this terrible affliction.
See, these little monsters multiply and take over your bedroom and next think you know you've got a full blown pony infection...
There is no cure.
Oh noes! I'm infected too! :shocked:
They'll just hafta ship us all off on to an island where we can indulge our pony affliction FOREVER! :newpony:
I see a problem with this. Will the island have a reliable postal service via which we can receive pony refugees?
I just want to say I found a spider crawling on Peachy this morning, so G1s are definitely not safe unless you lock 'em up properly :nope:
I just want to say I found a spider crawling on Peachy this morning, so G1s are definitely not safe unless you lock 'em up properly :nope:
Yes. We must keep all the pretty ponies safe from creepy-crawlies.
Well I had a very big spider in one box that had My Little Pony annuals along with other annuals.
My mum had to squash it.
It ruined one of my annuals :cry: :cry: :cry:
I just want to say I found a spider crawling on Peachy this morning, so G1s are definitely not safe unless you lock 'em up properly :nope:
Yes. We must keep all the pretty ponies safe from creepy-crawlies.
Well I had a very big spider in one box that had My Little Pony annuals along with other annuals.
My mum had to squash it.
It ruined one of my annuals :cry: :cry: :cry:
Oh the things I put in my mouth when I was young... ponies are NOTHING to worry about.Oh????
Oh the things I put in my mouth when I was young... ponies are NOTHING to worry about.
Eh, we all gotta die of something. :|
Oh the things I put in my mouth when I was young... ponies are NOTHING to worry about.
Oh the things I put in my mouth when I was young... ponies are NOTHING to worry about.
This may not actually be true or at least a false equivalency. Plastic, like many materials, degrades over time. What was perfectly safe 30 years ago may not chemically be the same today. Some things get less dangerous as they age, others get more so, but no matter which way you slice the pie entropy always wins.
My ponies used to kill transformer toys and G I Joe.
...does that count?
Eh, we all gotta die of something. :|
:lol: I like this view on it. Hey if I have to die, death from overexposure to G1s seems like a good way to go XD
Eh, we all gotta die of something. :|
:lol: I like this view on it. Hey if I have to die, death from overexposure to G1s seems like a good way to go XD
May as well die happy, eh?
Unless an accurate report is released, I will always be far more concerned about the antibiotics / insecticides used in food than I will ever be about lead levels in 1980s' ponies.
Well, considering that I have many G1s in my room surrounding me at all times and they still haven't tried to murder me in my sleep, I'd say they're pretty safe. :)
Well I had a very big spider in one box that had My Little Pony annuals along with other annuals.
My mum had to squash it.
It ruined one of my annuals :cry: :cry: :cry:
Ruined it? Forever? Do you mean with staining? Oh man...8(
I just want to point out that "I did it and I didn't come to harm, so obviously it's okay!" is a fallacious argument.
First of all, we have plenty of community members with health problems. Were they caused by lead? Beats me; but it's a possibility.
Second, anecdotes are not the same as scientifically gathered data. You could find an 80 year old man who smoked every day of his life and has no health problems, but that doesn't mean that cigarettes are good for you; it means he was lucky. (I actually had someone in real life tell me that he didn't exercise because he knew someone who had a heart attack while jogging, and therefore he had concluded that exercise was bad for you. I was just like " . . . . okay then.") So, even if someone chewed on a G1 every day and didn't have health problems, that isn't 'proof' that they don't have the potential to cause health problems in a wider population.
Third, IIRC lead builds up, and the more builds up the more chances you have of medical problems. So, it's possible that a lot of kids DID ingest lead from G1s--but not enough to start causing medical problems. And, again, that doesn't mean G1s are "safe".
Fourth, I think you need to be vigilant against perception bias, the tendency to WANT to believe something regardless of the evidence. I would like to believe that G1s are perfectly safe. But if I ignore evidence just because I want to believe that . . . then I am not really being honest with myself. I'm just telling myself what I want to hear.
Personally I would be wary about giving G1 ponies to kids, especially very young kids. Both because they are more likely to stick things in their mouth and because lead is much worse for kids than for adults.
Yep it did. It was my 1996 Pokemon annual. Tried cleaning it but the stain didn't come off. So I had to bin it.
I want to see a proper report and study into this before we assume anything. Because sometimes assumptions and fears have more harmful consequences than the reality.
Oh the things I put in my mouth when I was young... ponies are NOTHING to worry about.
This may not actually be true or at least a false equivalency. Plastic, like many materials, degrades over time. What was perfectly safe 30 years ago may not chemically be the same today. Some things get less dangerous as they age, others get more so, but no matter which way you slice the pie entropy always wins.
Oh the things I put in my mouth when I was young... ponies are NOTHING to worry about.
This may not actually be true or at least a false equivalency. Plastic, like many materials, degrades over time. What was perfectly safe 30 years ago may not chemically be the same today. Some things get less dangerous as they age, others get more so, but no matter which way you slice the pie entropy always wins.
I'll save you Baby Sugar Berry! Send all your G1s my way! :silly:
Oh the things I put in my mouth when I was young... ponies are NOTHING to worry about.
This may not actually be true or at least a false equivalency. Plastic, like many materials, degrades over time. What was perfectly safe 30 years ago may not chemically be the same today. Some things get less dangerous as they age, others get more so, but no matter which way you slice the pie entropy always wins.
I'll save you Baby Sugar Berry! Send all your G1s my way! :silly:
Pfft, as if. :P Nice try, but it'll take more than a possible trace of lead to pry my ponies from me. Really it just comes down to common sense - ponies are old (fact) they were made in an era that had less stringent safety standards (fact), there is no substantive evidence that they are or are not harmful (fact), and most children are prone to putting things in their mouths that shouldn't go there (fact).
In light of those things, it's logical to keep ponies away from those too young to know better than to chew anything they can get their sticky fingers on, protecting both the hypothetical ponies and kids involved. Simple enough.
They do pose a choking hazard if you try to swallow them. I don't believe the 3-and-under warning, they still stick in my throat and I'm four.
Lead paint is only harmful if eaten so if ponies do contain lead, just don't put the ponies in your mouth like I do, or lick your fingers after handling them like I do, or put them in your fruit smoothies like I do...I mean, I don't do any of those things.