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Title: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: soproxicaa on August 19, 2018, 05:31:58 PM: I have a baby moondancer and people were saying she might be german but to ask about the hooves. She says made in Hong Kong

Thanks! Soproxicaa xx
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Taffeta on August 20, 2018, 07:31:13 AM: They might say Hong Kong, China, or sometimes Italy. I am not sure about other places although Sundance probably says no country on her hooves.

The reason people said that about your pony is that there is a version of Baby Moondancer sold in some European countries who has no glitter on her symbol. She is made in Hong Kong the same as the regular version :) The difference is the symbol :)
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 20, 2018, 08:25:14 AM: They won't say Germany because they imported their MLPs, they didn't manufacture them locally under licensed contracts. As Taffeta said, they will have Hong Kong or China or Thailand, in a few rare exceptions.
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Taffeta on August 20, 2018, 12:17:50 PM: Quote from: lovesbabysquirmy on August 20, 2018, 08:25:14 AM
They won't say Germany because they imported their MLPs, they didn't manufacture them locally under licensed contracts. As Taffeta said, they will have Hong Kong or China or Thailand, in a few rare exceptions.

I don't think any Thai ponies were sold in Germany. They had the Chinese fancy pants as far as I know. But they did have a lot of Italian ponies and NC Sundance. Someone from there can confirm if they had any other Nirvana-esque things...but I don't think they had any Thai releases.
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: katrine2309 on August 20, 2018, 12:49:47 PM: Isn’t there something about the “pat pending” text missing from the hooves? I don’t know if that is the same with the PnC babies, but the early baby ponies (baby Buttons etc) are missing the “pat pending”. I can’t remember were I read it, but it was specified to be with the baby Buttons set. I think I read it as a way to distinguish baby Karamell from baby Cotton Candy?

I need to start saving my sources *grumble,grumble*
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Safflower on August 20, 2018, 12:58:14 PM: I think I read somewhere that German TEs had no pat pend and were paler?
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Taffeta on August 20, 2018, 01:31:05 PM: Quote from: Safflower on August 20, 2018, 12:58:14 PM
I think I read somewhere that German TEs had no pat pend and were paler?

Speedy is definitely paler. I am not really sure which ponies the Pat Pend thing applies to but I think it also can apply to brothers and maybe Princesses.

It's unlikely to affect the PACS babies, though, since I think it's to do with timing. Baby Buttons is from 1987, so a little later than the PACS set. I admit I don't know when Baby Glory was sold in Germany. Maybe someone from there does?

With the others, at least, I know that Speedy's set in Germany (and probably also France) were 1988 releases. The characters are the same six as the UK had, but ours came out in 1987, and we had the darker Speedy, like the US. It might be to do with that. Based solely on the card designs, the German princess pony cards (and the French) are also 1988 style. So the pat pend thing probably comes around 1987-8...

I genuinely don't know about pat pend and the UK releases around that time, though. We definitely had princesses and TE ponies in 1987 as they have 1987 style packaging and they're on the 1987 insert. But we also had the Princesses again in 1988 and the Adventure Boys/Brother ponies in 1988 so I dunno...
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on August 20, 2018, 03:35:47 PM: Here is a link showing the German speaking country exclusive ponies :) they are all either China or HK :)

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=216671

Baby Moondancer, was sold in a set which was sold throughout Europe, including Germany :) both glitter and painted symbol ponies are included in this set ;)

http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=473073

The lack of a PAT PEND stamp indicated in some instances if a pony was intended for the German market.

Please remember that the patient for MLP was granted in round about 1987-88 (1986-1988 is when it all goes chaotic) so after this point in time and when production was moved to china ALL ponies lack a PAT PEND stamp :bigups:

The ponies which can be identified as intended for the German market are notably the Princess Ponies in "regular releases" hair colours and some of the Big Brothers.

The reason why there is a lack of a PAT PEND stamp is that Germany was "behind" with the releases compared to other parts of Europe and the US (I think the US got ponies first, because of how distribution works from the Far East). This means that for some reason Germany got a later batch or even a "re-release" (I'm using the term very loosely here), meaning the ponies were made after the patient was granted.

It all gets a bit hazy when it comes to pining this rule (PAT PEND vs. No PAT PEND) onto other ponies, such as the Twinkle Eye ponies (not counting pale Speedy). I've only really studied this stamp in relation to Princess ponies.

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 08, 2018, 10:27:15 AM: I just received German baby Moondancer and baby Glory (without glittery symbols) and neither of them has pat pend on their hooves. I have not yet checked my childhood baby Glory who also was sold on card (but with glittery symbols). Would be interesting to see if she is also lacking the «pat pend». I think my childhood baby Glory is from 88/89.

By the way, the non-glittery babies are supercute!!
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: CherryTreats on September 09, 2018, 01:50:10 AM: Mine say the year and Hasbro and either Italy or Hong Kong. No "pat pend".
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 09, 2018, 02:35:36 AM: I just checked my childhood baby Glory, she has the pat.pend even though she was also sold on card. She is the glittery version. I didn’t buy her earlier than 88/89, but she could have been produced earlier of course. Anyone know when the baby pony set with baby Glory etc was released in Germany? And do we know that the glittery versions were sold in Germany? It seems the glittery and matted sets with baby ponies could have been two different sets?

Edit: all the ponies are marked HK.

@CherryTreats: which German ponies do you have?
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Taffeta on September 12, 2018, 02:59:06 PM: Quote from: pinkkittywinks on August 20, 2018, 03:35:47 PM

It all gets a bit hazy when it comes to pining this rule (PAT PEND vs. No PAT PEND) onto other ponies, such as the Twinkle Eye ponies (not counting pale Speedy). I've only really studied this stamp in relation to Princess ponies.

I haven't looked into the pat pend removal thing at all, but I can confirm that the TE set involving pale Speedy (Locket/TicTacToe/Sweetie/Fizzy/Sky Rocket/pale Speedy) was available in France and Germany at the very least in 1988. Whereas the UK set was in 1987 and we got the darker Speedy. I have both the UK and the German Tic Tac Toe releases MOC but they're not easily accessible to me right now. When I eventually get them out again, I will look see what the hooves of each say because two MOC ponies alongside each other is a pretty good resource. I do remember that Trixi (German carded TTT) is a little darker/bolder? in her body tone somehow...
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But I know there are colour variations between Brother releases that don't necessarily indicate pat pend differences so it may be irrelevant.

I also have Lollipop/Zuckersuss/Sweet Tooth on German card. Both these sets have the 1988 art style card but I am imagining there are no differences in pat pend on the hooves of the German and at least the UK release of these sets as the UK had them in 1988 as well.

I don't really understand what happened with the brother ponies as I've never seen one MOC on German card I don't think. Not the first set anyway. I know the Princesses had their carded release and then variations in hair tone so they're kind of different...
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Leikin on October 01, 2018, 08:10:48 AM: I have never seen any discusion about the big brothers to support the german claim for them. It has just been like a self-explainatory that they lack pat-pend, thus are german, but why that conclusion has been drawn I dont know. But on the other hand, I have been away from the comunity for a long time so I might have missed something.
I dont think I have seen any in german packaging either, and I have heard from somewhere that we had them both with and without pat pend in Sweden as well. Cant say for sure on that one though.
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on October 01, 2018, 02:45:14 PM: What I've picked up on the Big Brothers is from what I've read over the years.

I researched the Princeses, so my knowledge is deeper when it comes to them

It might be worth while asking in the corral about the Big Brothers?

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Leikin on October 02, 2018, 04:55:41 AM: I was just looking through old threads at the swedish mlp forum (long since abandoned it seems now though :P ) And found a thread where several people claimed that some of their childhood BBs was no pat pend, and some where, and they had not been outside of Sweden.
It really is interesting I think :) I think I have brought up the question before in there, but well, evereyone just "new" they where german, so not much luck there. That was quite some time ago though :P
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Taffeta on October 02, 2018, 08:41:52 AM: I think we need a list of banned generalisations...

I have a theory that some of what the UK got were leftover US stock. I genuinely feel like that is why we still had creative methods of selling snuzzle as late as 1987...left overs!!

Maybe some carded glittery glories and moonies are also lije this in other places.

Or maybe you just got our share. Again...; )
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on October 03, 2018, 10:31:49 AM: Quote from: Leikin on October 02, 2018, 04:55:41 AM
I was just looking through old threads at the swedish mlp forum (long since abandoned it seems now though :P ) And found a thread where several people claimed that some of their childhood BBs was no pat pend, and some where, and they had not been outside of Sweden.
It really is interesting I think :) I think I have brought up the question before in there, but well, evereyone just "new" they where german, so not much luck there. That was quite some time ago though :P

Yes! It does seem to have been taken as "known" that boys without Pat Pend are "German only". Even I took it as "known" as I applied the rules which I had figured out from the Princesses. My knowledge is limited to English speaking forums/information only and sometimes it is bias.

I am daft! :blush:

I have a ton of German language backcard images saved on my PC! I just checked them, i have leaflets and adverts showing the BB ponies, but no backcards.

I checked Himmie's website and she has a scan of a German language WigWam backcard :)

http://himmie.weebly.com/big-brothers.html

It is just the card though, no pony on it, so we have no idea what the hoof marks of the pony that was sold on the particular card. The card is dated 1988.

I honestly am flapping as I really don't have much understand of "regular" release patterns >_<

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Taffeta on October 03, 2018, 12:57:15 PM: I frankly gave up with trying to organise the babies as any kind of logical set and now have a list of bullet points underneath explaining all the possible releases I know of - but I am leaving pat pend alone because without more data I;m not confident on tracking it pattern-wise.

I know my sister and I have 2 different Tracks/Steamers. But they both say pat pend. One is American, one from the UK. :/
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Leikin on October 04, 2018, 02:29:46 AM: The pat pend vs non pat pend is not really withing my expertise either :P I just find it odd, as I have not seen any real confirmation of it. But maybe someone has done research on it, just that I/we have missed who and when ^.^

And thanks for the link to Himmies site. I know I have seen it before now when you show it. :)

And how can you tell the difference between UK and US BBs? I just thought they where all the same, just with or without pat pend. :P
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Taffeta on October 04, 2018, 03:20:47 AM: They are. Sorry. What I meant was hers came from here and mine from the US. I didn't mean to imply a uk us variation. More batch differences.

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Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Leikin on October 04, 2018, 05:41:04 AM: Quote from: Taffeta on October 04, 2018, 03:20:47 AM
They are. Sorry. What I meant was hers came from here and mine from the US. I didn't mean to imply a uk us variation. More batch differences.

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Ok so there are some coloour variances maybe. No pattern in which is UK/US, or do they both come as dark and light? If anyone has done research I mean? ^.^
Title: Re: What do German ponies hooves say?
Post by: Taffeta on October 04, 2018, 09:12:42 AM: Quote from: Leikin on October 04, 2018, 05:41:04 AM
Quote from: Taffeta on October 04, 2018, 03:20:47 AM
They are. Sorry. What I meant was hers came from here and mine from the US. I didn't mean to imply a uk us variation. More batch differences.

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Ok so there are some coloour variances maybe. No pattern in which is UK/US, or do they both come as dark and light? If anyone has done research I mean? ^.^

I haven't researched it. I just know that the dark one my sister got here, and the other came in a lot from the US. And because he has 2 years of release across both countries, I just assumed it was related to that but I really don't know...

I don't think anyone has looked into batch colour differences. Just pat pending on the hooves. But it isn't fading or plastic damage. The darker pony is much more faded in the hair department than the lighter one, and they're clearly totally different shades but evenly coloured all over. It's not regrind. It's something from production.

I should add the caveat neither pony came to us from new. It is possible that I am wrong about their origins and they travelled prior to us getting them. Naynie's came from a UK carboot sale, though, so is more likely to have come from at the very least Europe.