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In NO WAY am I trying to be mean. But I found 2 auctions on ebay for a customized fireball and a customized ice crystal. I think they are both BEAUTIFUL so don't get me wrong. The artist has such GREAT TALENT. But I thought you weren't supposed to customize ponies like that no matter what condition they are in? It's just a question. I am not trying to offend ANYONE. And I think their work is GORGEOUS. =)
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i saw those earlier today, they looked pretty!
but i think it depends on what condition the pony was in before they started? i don't think i'd restore or bait one even if it were bald and full of splotchy cancer spots, but everyone's got their own opinion. at least they made it look really pretty!!
Post Merge: February 15, 2012, 10:10:49 PM
maybe he started out as a steamer? and they just made him into a fireball
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Thankfully the Ice Crystal looks like he used to be another boy, but for the other one, I think he actually was a Fireball. :(
It is kind of understood that you don't use a rare pony like a Mountain Boy as a bait, sort of an unwritten rule. It makes me personally really upset to see that one has been used (if that is indeed the case). So many collectors would have loved him just as he was. Obviously none of us could stop someone from doing what they want with their ponies even if we wanted to, but I dunno. This sort of thing just makes me really sad...I admit that I don't really like seeing any G1 boy used as bait, but I'd rather see a Big Brother than a Mountain Boy. :cloud:
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Thankfully the Ice Crystal looks like he used to be another boy, but for the other one, I think he actually was a Fireball. :(
It is kind of understood that you don't use a rare pony like a Mountain Boy as a bait, sort of an unwritten rule. It makes me personally really upset to see that one has been used (if that is indeed the case). So many collectors would have loved him just as he was. Obviously none of us could stop someone from doing what they want with their ponies even if we wanted to, but I dunno. This sort of thing just makes me really sad...I admit that I don't really like seeing any G1 boy used as bait, but I'd rather see a Big Brother than a Mountain Boy. :cloud:
This is my exact thoughts.
I'd love a mountain boy one day so that fact that one got customized is sad, but yeah it's their po y to do what they want with it....
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would it be worth more if someone got it and just cleaned its paint off that they put on it?
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I ... cringe at those posts. ALWAYS. :( Mountain Boys are pretty dang rare, so they must have gotten them from a car boot sale or something, for them to be cheap enough to be worth baiting. But still! It's like people who wreck vintage toys for Etsy sales or art - you might have gotten more money for the thing as it originally was, and you're just going to have collectors face-palming at it, to boot.
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I ... cringe at those posts. ALWAYS. :( Mountain Boys are pretty dang rare, so they must have gotten them from a car boot sale or something, for them to be cheap enough to be worth baiting. But still! It's like people who wreck vintage toys for Etsy sales or art - you might have gotten more money for the thing as it originally was, and you're just going to have collectors face-palming at it, to boot.
My thoughts exactly.
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Oh dear...I think that unfortunately a lot of the popularity of FiM has led to more and more people taking up customising as a hobby. Which isn't a bad thing. But a lot of non-collectors either don't know or don't care about the value or rarity of some ponies, hence why rare ponies are getting ruined.
I really hope somebody buys them, removes the paint and restores them.
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Oh man. Instances like this are so hard. On one hand, I hate seeing ANY G1 customized, but especially as rare and expensive a pony as a mountain boy? Big big no-no. WHY don't people research the value of ponies before they strip off their symbols and yank out their hair? Really, how long does it take to type in the pony's name on ebay and see what kind of prices they go for? She obviously knew the ponies' names... I'm reminded of a recent auction with a completely ruined Mimic in it...same issue.
On the other hand, those customs are pretty. The paintwork is really nicely done, and the hair blends are nice. The artist obviously put a lot of care into the creation of those two customs. If I were their creator, I'd be heartbroken to know that the two ponies I worked hard on were bought simply to have my work destroyed so they could be customized again-- back to their original state. I'd be so sad to know that they weren't actually loved or appreciated at all for the effort I put into them.
The damage is already done. Those ponies will never be original again, and since they are well-done customs, I hope whoever buys them leaves them as they are and enjoys them that way. I wouldn't be able to feel good about having a custom like that in my collection. It'd make me sad to look at him. But hopefully someone will be able to appreciate them for what they are and not let the knowledge of what they were detract from that. And at the same time, I really REALLY hope more people will start putting more time into researching the ponies they're defacing so that issues like this don't come up...This whole situation makes me sad :(
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Just looked them up, couldn't believe someone would customise Mountain boys >_<
They are gorgeous, the paintwork on them is beautiful. The fireball is definately a fireball but I think that the ice crystal is a salty rather than a genuine ice crystal. He is missing freckles and has blush.
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Oh man. Instances like this are so hard. On one hand, I hate seeing ANY G1 customized, but especially as rare and expensive a pony as a mountain boy? Big big no-no. WHY don't people research the value of ponies before they strip off their symbols and yank out their hair? Really, how long does it take to type in the pony's name on ebay and see what kind of prices they go for? She obviously knew the ponies' names... I'm reminded of a recent auction with a completely ruined Mimic in it...same issue.
On the other hand, those customs are pretty. The paintwork is really nicely done, and the hair blends are nice. The artist obviously put a lot of care into the creation of those two customs. If I were their creator, I'd be heartbroken to know that the two ponies I worked hard on were bought simply to have my work destroyed so they could be customized again-- back to their original state. I'd be so sad to know that they weren't actually loved or appreciated at all for the effort I put into them.
The damage is already done. Those ponies will never be original again, and since they are well-done customs, I hope whoever buys them leaves them as they are and enjoys them that way. I wouldn't be able to feel good about having a custom like that in my collection. It'd make me sad to look at him. But hopefully someone will be able to appreciate them for what they are and not let the knowledge of what they were detract from that. And at the same time, I really REALLY hope more people will start putting more time into researching the ponies they're defacing so that issues like this don't come up...This whole situation makes me sad :(
And this is my exact thoughts too. :)
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They even listed them as mountain boys so that's just..yeah. They bothered looking up what ponies they were but didn't bump into the value?
I also have to disagree, i don't think those customs look that great/amazing.
The fact they could have used any other pony makes me cringe.
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i would ALWAYS try to restore such rare and expensive ponies.
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i have customised g1s but only bait common ones i have customised 4 boys out of the familys that a freind gave me that had no tails and buzz cuts i turned one in to a spike pony that james marsters signed and one in to a christmas partner for merry treat xaflamex
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Firebaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall. Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(
Neither of them look like they have any cancer - thought if their symbols were pretty much entirely gone, AND their hair was really bad/gone, there probably wouldn't be much difference in doing a 'restore' and a custom anyway, I guess. But they both look in such good condition underneath the custom paint it's hard to know - it'd upset me if they were in good nick.
Also, price. WTF. I'm pretty sure even a pretty baity Fireball or Icey would go for more than 7 pounds.
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I'm not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, your ponies are your ponies. I don't like dictating what other people should do with their belongings. However, the Mountain Boys are very rare and quite sought-after, so using one as the base for a custom doesn't seem like a good idea. I'm not sure she couldn't have dyed another Big Brother pony to the hue of Fireball if she really wanted to make a reimagined Fireball. As much as some collectors may wish, there's really nothing that can be done to stop another person from removing a pony--however sought-after--from collectable circulation by modifying it.
I hope that the winners of the customs truly adore them, because that will be a perfect match between buyer and seller and pony and collector.
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It's sad to customize ponies that are so sought-after, but at the same time, people can do what their wish with their own ponies.
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Ugh, I agree with all of you. Its sad to see people be so "blissfully ignorant" with customizing in areas they shouldn't go. It is kind of an unwritten code in the pony world that you should make sure you aren't baiting ponies that are treasured and valued among collectors.. unfortunately some people just don't care (or don't know what to do with one in poor condition) and decide to just customize them rather then restore them or give them to someone who will or will keep them in their collection regardless of how they look. It makes me sad :( Let me just add that it is that persons own descision to do what they wish with their ponies despite how others may feel, if they wish to customize ponies collectors don't agree with they will do what they wish as it is their pony.. :(
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I don't mind this at all. :)
People always complain when they see harder to find ponies customized, even when we don't know how it came about...
Sometimes htf ponies are nearly impossible to sell because they have an ugly cancer spot or other blemish. The buyers will tend to pass and hold out until they find one in better condition. So to be able to sell at all you will have to lower the price so much that you might not find it worthwhile. I have sold mountain boys for $25 myself and more than once I have seen mountain boys in manky condition go for $15-18 on ebay.
And if a seller like that happens to be a customizer...I can understand how they might rather take the opportunity to get an unusual bait than sell for low.
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I kind of think its up to the person who the ponies belong to...we dont collect "for the sake of the community" and we dont hold ponies in trust for the sake of collectors as a whole....so I wouldnt criticise anyone for doing whatever they like to their pones...
I am not saying that it doesnt send a shiver down my spine [lol]! just that its not for me to judge...
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I think what they've done with them is fantastic but I reckon they were Steamer and someone else. :) They're stunning work though! xxx
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The fact that the seller's name contains "Sundance" does not sit right with me. I know there's the Sundance Film Festival. . .but that would be a big coincidence, especially considering they're selling another pony (rehaired) and knew how to customize.
While I live by the "its your pony, do what you want with it" rules, that just went way too far. Its only thing to customize truly baity common or even uncommon G1s, but rare ones? Uncustomized Ice Crystal and Fireball are up on eBay right now, $180 and $140 last I looked. The customizer knew their names, so obviously they could have very easily found out their worth. Heck I'm guessing they knew it since they made a point to mention their names. But still they destroyed rare, valuable collectibles. They could have restored the two if they need it or sold them how they were! I bet they'd have been able to afford at least a few truly baity non-rare G1 boys to customize.
And this is coming from someone who opened a G1 (she was only in a bag, not in a box or on a card, but still I got heat for it).
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Firebaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall. Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(
Neither of them look like they have any cancer - thought if their symbols were pretty much entirely gone, AND their hair was really bad/gone, there probably wouldn't be much difference in doing a 'restore' and a custom anyway, I guess.
This is what I was thinking. I mean if you had a monutain boy with no hair and the symbols completely rubbed off... doing a full restore back to "original" would be the same as doing a full custom, really. The only thing that's original is the body. Either way the pony would be nowhere near it's original value and the price for it would be priced as a custom. I mean we may never know what the ponies in question started out like, but just saying...
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i hope it wasn't a real MB!! That would be sad!
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we dont collect "for the sake of the community" and we dont hold ponies in trust for the sake of collectors as a whole....
Maybe you don't feel that way... Some of us actually collect to preserve the things we like, which kind of implies thinking about the larger collecting community, not just because we want it.
If that's not your reason for buying ponies, fine, I'm not going to judge or tell you what to do, but not everyone has the same attitude about collecting.
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Ok, um. You know, there's not knowing when you customize a rare pony. Then there's doing it on purpose. That pisses me off. Ice Crystal is my grail pony. Now, if it IS a Salty, customized, I'm not as po'd, obviously, but were someone to knowingly customize an Ice Crystal, I would absolutely be livid. That guy is rare enough as it is without some jackwad going and destroying one. Knowingly. I don't care HOW beautiful the custom would be. There would be fireballs from my eyes. And bolts of lightning from my..well. You know where. And as far as I'm concerned, any IDIOT who knows WHAT they have is a Mountain Boy and doesn't try and either outright sell him for profit regardless of condition, or restore him gently and then sell him should be *CENSORED* and *CENSORED* then dragged by their *CENSORED CENSORED* and *CENSORED*. These things are now ANTIQUES guys. They should be treated as such. CARS that are 25 years or older are considered antiques. They're lovingly kept and restored and polished with DIAPERS. We should treat our elderly ponies with such love and respect. (Which is not to say I don't mind a customizer using a very very cancer ridden peachy or other common pony as bait. I'm simply saying Do your research, and RESPECT rare ponies.) :P Appologies for my rage :silly:
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usually i say "it's your pony do what you want" but... what idiot would do that to a pony worth that much!?? If you can get more money for the original. DONT DO IT!!!! if it was no hair no symboll.... well i still think you could get more money for it. I think people WONT buy these guys becasue they know who they used to be...
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Honestly, even the rattiest Mountain Boy is probably going to fetch more money restored than customized into something else. So from a financial standpoint, customizing makes no sense. Especially because the other Big Brother ponies have the same body mold, but cost so much less to buy for bait. I agree, your ponies your choice (lol - pro choice customization?) but it's sad to see such sought-after ponies altered when someone would love them in their original condition.
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I don't know if I like the idea of customisers having to answer to the community. It's their pony and if they want to customise it, they should be allowed to - I'd never do that myself but it is her(?) pony, and besides, if Fireball was buzzed and symbol-less she hasn't done any irreversible damage.
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You guys do know that Ice Crystal one wasn't originally an Icy, right? :what: It's the wrong pose to be him. The Fireball one on the other hand... could have been a real Fireball :yikes:
ETA: The 'Ice Crystal' isn't even in either of Salty's possible poses, so that one must really have been a baity boy, possibly Barnicle, since I don't know if 4-Speed can quite match that color.
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You know, when I posted this, I didn't want to come off the wrong way-ESPECIALLY if the artist was part of the community here. I was kinda ticked off. But the more I thought about it, If they WERE a member-they should have KNOWN not to do that. I spent a few days brewing about those boys until I decided to post b/c it was bugging me so much. I agree with NOT customizing those rare ponies. I wish they would have restored them instead of customizing them. I spent 2 years chasing Ice Crystal myself and it makes me so sad that even if those boys were ratty, someone could have added them to their collection and they would have been perfectly loved no matter the condition. I do, however, respect the fact that people have the right to do what they want with their own ponies, but I felt like this was a slap in the face of every person that desperately wants a Mountain Boy of their own! :enraged:
(At least in the respect of Fireball as their seems to be debate over the "ice crystal."
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Guys, that's not ice crystal. That's not the right pose for him (Icy has a bent front leg). I'm pretty sure it's salty.
That said, I get frustrated about G1s being customised too, if they are minty or easily restored. I was talking to someone last week about trading for minty looking G1s that they were going to bait, but in the end, they are their ponies. There's nothing you can do but cringe a little, and hope that they turn out REALLY REALLY well.
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That is terrible! :( That would be like taking a Picasso off the wall that you didn't like and spray-painting over it! I hope at some point the "customizer" comes to one of the pony communities and learns that what they did was terrible and really ruined the pony, in my eyes. And never does it again unless the pony is truly, truly, unsalvagable! ;)
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Phew, I'm really glad that wasn't actually Ice Crystal since he's one of my grails |D I'd be perfectly happy to have one that was totally bald and covered in cancer! XD
But yeah, if the other one was really Fireball..... D:
I mean, if you REALLY want to customize a G1 boy pony, why not just use one of the cheaper ones as a base? Really it only makes sense.
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Oh man. Instances like this are so hard. On one hand, I hate seeing ANY G1 customized, but especially as rare and expensive a pony as a mountain boy? Big big no-no. WHY don't people research the value of ponies before they strip off their symbols and yank out their hair? Really, how long does it take to type in the pony's name on ebay and see what kind of prices they go for? She obviously knew the ponies' names... I'm reminded of a recent auction with a completely ruined Mimic in it...same issue.
Oh, I saw that one :yikes:
Anyways, I really have nothing new to add to this conversation. I think that the craftsmanship used is obviously great, but.... i don't know. they look like tacky race cars.
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Eeehhh..... no!!! ;_; Poor rare Fireball...
The worst case of customising that I've been through personally was a G3 Sunrise song that I baited right out of the box when she was in stores (without buying a second one for keeping, since I was stupid). But this... I wonder if the person who customized Fireball knows how much he is worth, and if she/he's kicking himself right now.
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That's definitely not an Icey. The other might be fireball. Honestly, I think they are beautiful. Even though it makes me sad that a MB might have been customized, you have to consider their possible condition. Maybe he had a mohawk, no symbols, and some discoloration. In that case, I actually don't mind. Think about it like this:
Restore: Possible FBR to cover flaws, repaint symbols, retouch eyes (if necessary), rehair
Custom: Large symbol to cover body damage, retouch eyes (if necessary), rehair.
In my mind, they are both equally customized at that point. If it were a badly-executed custom with lumpy paint, I would be disappointed. As it is, they are beautiful and the artist put a lot of time into them. So I'm going to assume that they were both very baity and then it doesn't bother me.
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That's definitely not an Icey. The other might be fireball. Honestly, I think they are beautiful. Even though it makes me sad that a MB might have been customized, you have to consider their possible condition. Maybe he had a mohawk, no symbols, and some discoloration. In that case, I actually don't mind. Think about it like this:
Restore: Possible FBR to cover flaws, repaint symbols, retouch eyes (if necessary), rehair
Custom: Large symbol to cover body damage, retouch eyes (if necessary), rehair.
In my mind, they are both equally customized at that point. If it were a badly-executed custom with lumpy paint, I would be disappointed. As it is, they are beautiful and the artist put a lot of time into them. So I'm going to assume that they were both very baity and then it doesn't bother me.
This exactly.
Also, can we maybe not use really hateful words and blanked out expletives decribing violent treatment? That accomplishes nothing. I know seeing a maybe-fireball customized upsets some people, but there's no need to be rude and hateful.
And yes, I think that Ice Crystal was a barnacle, I've seen him go that color and the eyes are definitely faded purple. Ice Crystal and Fireball are the names of the customs in this instance, though fireball seems to have retained his real name.
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we dont collect "for the sake of the community" and we dont hold ponies in trust for the sake of collectors as a whole....
Maybe you don't feel that way... Some of us actually collect to preserve the things we like, which kind of implies thinking about the larger collecting community, not just because we want it.
If that's not your reason for buying ponies, fine, I'm not going to judge or tell you what to do, but not everyone has the same attitude about collecting.
Wow...ok...I dont want to deteriorate into an argument here so I apologise for the use of "we" rather than "I"....but likewise this is a thread for peoples opinions and I respect other peoples so hopefully people can understand mine...which is that I simply think people's property is their own to do as they wish with...thats all I was trying to say. I just dont like threads that start bashing other people [what they do with their collections, what they pay for their ponies, what they make with their own ponies, etc etc!] thats all...and thats how this thread read "in my opinion". As I said I wouldnt do this myself and it makes me cringe....but I still think its the owners ponies to do as they wish with them.
And with that complete off topic divergence...I offer my apologies for the segway on this thread and bow out...lol!
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yeah... i was kinda mean... but from a financial standpoint i think they could have made more money with a reaaallly beat up mountain boy. :/ and i am sad about it... but i AM thinking about bidding so i can have a mountain boy... if it goes for cheap enough that is... then i'd probably make him look back to his original state.... but that's just what id do. I know it would be customizing a custom, but for the right price that may be the only way i will ever get a mountain boy.
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Errr I don't know, they could have been completely riddled with 'pony cancer' under all that paint for all I know
The fact that the seller's name contains "Sundance" does not sit right with me. I know there's the Sundance Film Festival. . .but that would be a big coincidence, especially considering they're selling another pony (rehaired) and knew how to customize.
While I live by the "its your pony, do what you want with it" rules, that just went way too far. Its only thing to customize truly baity common or even uncommon G1s, but rare ones? Uncustomized Ice Crystal and Fireball are up on eBay right now, $180 and $140 last I looked. The customizer knew their names, so obviously they could have very easily found out their worth. Heck I'm guessing they knew it since they made a point to mention their names. But still they destroyed rare, valuable collectibles. They could have restored the two if they need it or sold them how they were! I bet they'd have been able to afford at least a few truly baity non-rare G1 boys to customize.
And this is coming from someone who opened a G1 (she was only in a bag, not in a box or on a card, but still I got heat for it).
I think they probably named themselves Sundance for the G1 pony? Maybe they do know all about ponies, but these ones were just really baity
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You guys do know that Ice Crystal one wasn't originally an Icy, right? :what: It's the wrong pose to be him. The Fireball one on the other hand... could have been a real Fireball :yikes:
ETA: The 'Ice Crystal' isn't even in either of Salty's possible poses, so that one must really have been a baity boy, possibly Barnicle, since I don't know if 4-Speed can quite match that color.
That's what I realized too! I was like, "where's Salty? I see Barnacle?" :P That's what I get for posting before looking at the picture.
Also, since I'm here anyway: I agree that people get to decide what they want to do with their own ponies. If you wanna customize your Mimic - go do it, it's your property. (I wouldn't do it, but it's your pony, your choice.) But she didn't customize her own pony for herself; she customized it for sale. Her 'right' to customize exists, yes, but because she's put it into a public arena, she no longer has any right to say that people aren't allowed to be upset by it. And if you're just customizing a rare pony for the sake of money ... yeah, I can't agree with that. It's unwise, first of all (destroying a rare pony AND lowering its value, much?), and it's - I dunno, I hesitate to say 'unfair to the community,' but I would say that it's upsetting to people who collect these items.
You wouldn't take a vintage video game that you hacked apart and turned into a clock and try to sell it to the video game collectors, would you? They want the game as it WAS, in a possibly-playable condition; they don't want some fancy clock you made with it.
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I think the customs are beautiful, if they don't go too high i will give a bid. I think the ice crystal one is alittle dark so maybe it was another. The customiser may not of even known they were rare before customising. I kinda thought it odd they pointed out what they were before customed xD
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I messaged the seller and asked what baits she used and she said fireball and she thought tornado...so there is the actual answer straight from the seller.
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I was 99% sure that it was Fireball because Steamer doesn't have freckles, and the auction says that the freckles were intact.
The other is definitely not a MB though. Must be a faded Barnacle as has been suggested. I think Daddy Sweet Celebrations is too pale.
I rather like them. If I wasn't totally skint I might have picked up Fireball to live with my two original Fireballs.
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He doesn't look like he could have been a Tornado, that's an odd color to fade to. I'm still sticking with Barnacle.
I would discourage people to bid just to re-customize them. Just because one was a MB doesn't make it a gorgeous custom. There are people who would actually display them and love them as-is, rather than stripping someone's hard work...
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I've started a little story in my head about this whole thing. The seller is the vindictive ex-lover of a very active pony collector. This was done by the seller to get back at the ex, as they know it would upset them to see.
I have way too weird of an imagination :silly:
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Customizing Mountain Boys??
NO! :yikes:
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I've started a little story in my head about this whole thing. The seller is the vindictive ex-lover of a very active pony collector. This was done by the seller to get back at the ex, as they know it would upset them to see.
I have way too weird of an imagination :silly:
this is the only thing that would make sense.
XD
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I don't agree with customizing ponies that would be better for restores but if it is so far gone that you will have to repaint the whole body and such - I would probably make a custom too. At that point nothing is much original anyway.
On another note - as a customizer and pony seller - I have had g3 ponies that would be nice for collections (Snowflake- only missing accessories) that sat in my sales for about 6 months before I decided that I would rather customize it than have it sit around another year or two. Sometimes it comes down to time and space for me.
I can't personally say I wouldn't do it - but the bait would have to be more common than a MB or so far gone that it would become a custom no matter what (IE: New body paint, symbols, hair, eyes, etc)
I think this may be the case with the fireball one - his symbol is in a strange place and I believe it is to cover something up.
IMO - these are beautifully done customs and I am watching the auctions.
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we dont collect "for the sake of the community" and we dont hold ponies in trust for the sake of collectors as a whole....
Maybe you don't feel that way... Some of us actually collect to preserve the things we like, which kind of implies thinking about the larger collecting community, not just because we want it.
If that's not your reason for buying ponies, fine, I'm not going to judge or tell you what to do, but not everyone has the same attitude about collecting.
Wow...ok...I dont want to deteriorate into an argument here so I apologise for the use of "we" rather than "I"....but likewise this is a thread for peoples opinions and I respect other peoples so hopefully people can understand mine...which is that I simply think people's property is their own to do as they wish with...thats all I was trying to say. I just dont like threads that start bashing other people [what they do with their collections, what they pay for their ponies, what they make with their own ponies, etc etc!] thats all...and thats how this thread read "in my opinion". As I said I wouldnt do this myself and it makes me cringe....but I still think its the owners ponies to do as they wish with them.
And with that complete off topic divergence...I offer my apologies for the segway on this thread and bow out...lol!
I was simply objecting to your statement implying all collectors have or should have the same attitude about collecting. I would like to point out that I have never said one negative thing about a customizer, or criticized their choice of "bait", even if I disagreed with their decision. And I certainly haven't said anything like that here in this thread.
My point is simply that it may be wrong to be hateful in a situation like this, but it's not wrong to feel upset by something like this either...people have a right to their ponies AND their feelings.
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You guys do know that Ice Crystal one wasn't originally an Icy, right? :what: It's the wrong pose to be him. The Fireball one on the other hand... could have been a real Fireball :yikes:
ETA: The 'Ice Crystal' isn't even in either of Salty's possible poses, so that one must really have been a baity boy, possibly Barnicle, since I don't know if 4-Speed can quite match that color.
That's what I realized too! I was like, "where's Salty? I see Barnacle?" :P That's what I get for posting before looking at the picture.
Also, since I'm here anyway: I agree that people get to decide what they want to do with their own ponies. If you wanna customize your Mimic - go do it, it's your property. (I wouldn't do it, but it's your pony, your choice.) But she didn't customize her own pony for herself; she customized it for sale. Her 'right' to customize exists, yes, but because she's put it into a public arena, she no longer has any right to say that people aren't allowed to be upset by it. And if you're just customizing a rare pony for the sake of money ... yeah, I can't agree with that. It's unwise, first of all (destroying a rare pony AND lowering its value, much?), and it's - I dunno, I hesitate to say 'unfair to the community,' but I would say that it's upsetting to people who collect these items.
You wouldn't take a vintage video game that you hacked apart and turned into a clock and try to sell it to the video game collectors, would you? They want the game as it WAS, in a possibly-playable condition; they don't want some fancy clock you made with it.
I totally agree with that. I saw those two customs too and figured that "Fire ball" really is Fireball (not sure about her "Ice Crystal") and it makes me a little heartsick to realize that someone customized a mountain boy. Yes, they're the collector's property and that person can do whatever they want with their ponies. But once they do something with them to put them up for sale, it's up for popular discussion. I would love to own a mountain boy; any mountain boy in almost any condition - cancer, haircuts and all and I still can't afford them. So, it makes me a little sad that there's now one less in the world because someone either didn't think or didn't care to do his/her research before baiting a rare pony.
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For my opinion on this... well, let's just say if I had the money, I would definitely nab that Fireball and restore him to what he was originally.
Even if the pony was extremely baity, it's still a Fireball. Using a Fireball to make a Fireball is still going to be more practical then using a different pony, and I'm sure lots of people would have been willing to buy him, or trade quite a few actual baits for him, just going by the responses in this thread.
Going by this person's username, and the fact that they labeled the auctions with the original names (I realize that isn't an Ice Crystal, but if they thought their $10 bait was worth triple that amount and they still customized it, is that really better?), I believe that person knows at least a little about the G1 pony community, which makes this even more saddening.
For those who are saying 'it's your pony, do what you wish', yeah, I agree with that. My best friend opened a mint in bag mail order pony, and I had no issue with that. But the difference is, if you open a bagged/carded pony or give your Mimic a mohawk, chances are that's because you had a reason for doing so, and you don't intend on having that pony leave your collection any time in the near future. This person, on the other hand, appears to have customized the ponies with the intention of selling them. Which gives people the right to be upset, and in my opinion, negates the 'it's your pony' thing because the person never intended on keeping it as their pony in the first place :huh:
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we dont collect "for the sake of the community" and we dont hold ponies in trust for the sake of collectors as a whole....
Maybe you don't feel that way... Some of us actually collect to preserve the things we like, which kind of implies thinking about the larger collecting community, not just because we want it.
If that's not your reason for buying ponies, fine, I'm not going to judge or tell you what to do, but not everyone has the same attitude about collecting.
Wow...ok...I dont want to deteriorate into an argument here so I apologise for the use of "we" rather than "I"....but likewise this is a thread for peoples opinions and I respect other peoples so hopefully people can understand mine...which is that I simply think people's property is their own to do as they wish with...thats all I was trying to say. I just dont like threads that start bashing other people [what they do with their collections, what they pay for their ponies, what they make with their own ponies, etc etc!] thats all...and thats how this thread read "in my opinion". As I said I wouldnt do this myself and it makes me cringe....but I still think its the owners ponies to do as they wish with them.
And with that complete off topic divergence...I offer my apologies for the segway on this thread and bow out...lol!
I was simply objecting to your statement implying all collectors have or should have the same attitude about collecting. I would like to point out that I have never said one negative thing about a customizer, or criticized their choice of "bait", even if I disagreed with their decision. And I certainly haven't said anything like that here in this thread.
My point is simply that it may be wrong to be hateful in a situation like this, but it's not wrong to feel upset by something like this either...people have a right to their ponies AND their feelings.
Lol...and after all that I think we are actually both of the same opinion in the end.."its wrong to be hateful but not wrong to be upset"!! Cool...
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yeah... i was kinda mean... but from a financial standpoint i think they could have made more money with a reaaallly beat up mountain boy. :/ and i am sad about it... but i AM thinking about bidding so i can have a mountain boy... if it goes for cheap enough that is... then i'd probably make him look back to his original state.... but that's just what id do. I know it would be customizing a custom, but for the right price that may be the only way i will ever get a mountain boy.
IMO this behavior would be way worse than the sellers. I mean at this point the ponies are already customized - they have already lost all that is original about them. For you to even consider buying one and stripping it down to re-customize it is just disrespectful. Someone put a lot of work into those.
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I thought I'd poke in and say my opinion, although it's probably already been said.
I don't think it was the best idea, since the ponies customized were rare, but maybe they just didn't care or somehow didn't know. Or maybe they were being a little ignorant, not doing their research before baiting, but at least the customs are kind of pretty, if anything. Hopefully, those customized Mountain Boys will go to good homes where they'll be loved. :)
I customize ponies, but I'm a beginner and I'll admit that most of my ponies are... not that great, and a lot of them so far are "learning experiences"... :yikes:
So, most of my customs are either cheap fakies or G4s, stuff that's common all over the place. I have a few G3 ponies ready to be customized right now, but I made sure to ask before getting them ready. Because I would absolutely hate to take a perfectly good, rare, sought-after pony and turn it into a not-so-well-done custom! I try to do my best but my customs never end up looking as great as everyone else's, and I'd hate to take a wanted pony like a Mountain Boy and make it into yet another "learning experience"... that would be the worst. possible. thing!
So maybe it's not so good that this person customized those ponies, but at least the ponies weren't turned into something ugly, I think they look very pretty and are nicely done customs. :)
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Lol...and after all that I think we are actually both of the same opinion in the end.."its wrong to be hateful but not wrong to be upset"!! Cool...
hehe, yeah, I think we are.
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I would not make a custom out of a MB, but I am not going to hate on someone who did. They look like customs with a specific plan in mind. Those where the baits that fit the mental image. So they used them. Mounain Boys are sought after, but they are not rare. On any given week, there is at least one MB auction. To me, they are in the same group as mimic....pricy but accessable. The design isn't my cup of tea, but I can admit the work is quality. I hope the seller gets a decent sale from them, and that they find loving homes.
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In all honestly, I am guessing that the seller is not a collector and had no idea of the rarity or value of the boys when they were customized. :(
I know people have made that mistake before, and it sucks but it does happen.
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Customising has become so popular, and with such a huge influx of new FiM fans, people just don't think that anything could possibly be rare, they just see a pony and they want to make it "pretty" for some money.
It's infuriating, and really really sad, but eh, what are you gonna do? The damage has already been done :(
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I think that "Ice Crystal" used to be Quarterback. The Fireball looks like himself unfortunately. Personally I do not like the idea of customizing a rare pony (like MB) if it can be restored. The person wanting to customize could always swap the "bait" to a similar but not so rare one as I'm sure there would be someone willing to save a pony like that.
I don't want to sound mean but.. I 'know' someone who likes to customize a lot but that person sucks at it, seriously. Probably the worst I've seen. I nearly choked on my coffee when I saw that this person had customized Thundercloud into a horrible piece of..work. That Thundercloud had good paintwork and original hair, he had some age and cancer spots but with some paint to cover them up he could have been restored easily! :shocked: The "artist" had added pics of how the customizing proceeded which made the situation worse as you could see that Thundercloud could have been saved by someone. The customs look like they were made by a six year old and the "artist" is around 30, I'm not kidding. If some of the Finnish members here read this, you'll probably know who I'm talking about... The person is a collector so must have been aware of the value of the pony.. >_<
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OMG Filthy, this is the kind of horror story you tell at Halloween :S:S So horrible :(
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yeah... i was kinda mean... but from a financial standpoint i think they could have made more money with a reaaallly beat up mountain boy. :/ and i am sad about it... but i AM thinking about bidding so i can have a mountain boy... if it goes for cheap enough that is... then i'd probably make him look back to his original state.... but that's just what id do. I know it would be customizing a custom, but for the right price that may be the only way i will ever get a mountain boy.
IMO this behavior would be way worse than the sellers. I mean at this point the ponies are already customized - they have already lost all that is original about them. For you to even consider buying one and stripping it down to re-customize it is just disrespectful. Someone put a lot of work into those.
Well, it was her pony and her choice to customize a Mountain Boy ... so if you turn that logic around, once she sells it to someone, it's now their pony, and their choice what to do with it whatever they want - display or restore.
I'm not one to encourage people to de-customize ponies, but - technically, once you own it, it's your property, and if you wanna throw it on a bonfire in sacrificial worship to the Almighty MOC Mimic Goddess, then that's your choice. :P
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I have to amit I wanted to cry when I saw those! Poor boy but at the same time the art work is amazing! Pity they werent on a common girl like peachy
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Honestly I didn't like this. I mean....I'd happily take a bait MB I needed until I get a replacement.
So yeah....this kind sucks to see. MBs are rare and they are so limited.
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I ... cringe at those posts. ALWAYS. :( Mountain Boys are pretty dang rare, so they must have gotten them from a car boot sale or something, for them to be cheap enough to be worth baiting. But still! It's like people who wreck vintage toys for Etsy sales or art - you might have gotten more money for the thing as it originally was, and you're just going to have collectors face-palming at it, to boot.
My thoughts exactly.
I join in -.-
But the thing on 'redoing them by removing the paint', isn't that something akin to customizing them?
I admit that these two customs are nice... but it hurts me to know that at least Fireball is lost, so less chances on getting one someday.
This kind of thread is sad, I like customs, but with G1 customs is... starting to make me feel more and more sad at the loss of one of the original ponies, even starting to think on not selling my baity G1s *sigh*.
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yeah... i was kinda mean... but from a financial standpoint i think they could have made more money with a reaaallly beat up mountain boy. :/ and i am sad about it... but i AM thinking about bidding so i can have a mountain boy... if it goes for cheap enough that is... then i'd probably make him look back to his original state.... but that's just what id do. I know it would be customizing a custom, but for the right price that may be the only way i will ever get a mountain boy.
IMO this behavior would be way worse than the sellers. I mean at this point the ponies are already customized - they have already lost all that is original about them. For you to even consider buying one and stripping it down to re-customize it is just disrespectful. Someone put a lot of work into those.
Well since the buyer would then be the owner, they would be able to do what they wish, right? No different than what the seller did when customizing the pony in the first place, when you think about it. ;) The seller clearly knows at least SOMETHING about ponies. I think they knew what they were doing and what ponies they were baiting in this instance (I mean, they ARE using the original names). To me personally, and clearly many others here, that in itself is kind of disrespectful, because that's one less MB for allll the collectors who would love to have one. Just offering a view from the other side...I wouldn't quite encourage this on a great custom that someone put a lot of effort into, but personally it wouldn't bother me, either, because that pony would still be lovingly restored, and one more collector would be really happy just to have the original body (and freckles! Can't forget those freckles) of a Mountain Boy.
They look like customs with a specific plan in mind. Those where the baits that fit the mental image. So they used them. Mounain Boys are sought after, but they are not rare. On any given week, there is at least one MB auction. To me, they are in the same group as mimic....pricy but accessable.
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Even if that's the case, they're still ponies that are hard to get a hold of. Especially being that they weren't widely released like many other G1s, and since they go for high prices and are, as you said, sought after...I wouldn't exactly call them easily accessible. They're not the type of pony that shows up in every bait lot, and almost no collectors would sell them as such, even in the worst shape. :/ A haircut, some cancer stains, and rubbed symbols wouldn't bother me on a very uncommon pony. =)
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Eeek- I guess each to their own. DX It's the whole not taking a comic out of it's plastic ordeal.
But stilll eeek. This is why I only customize G4s. DX
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It makes me soooo sad to see this was a real MB Fireball that was used :sad: :sad: :sad: Whats done is done though and there is nothing we can do to make it better. The customs are very nice - both of them, which is one good thing I guess :awake:
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Poor Fireball... poor poor Fireball... It makes me sad to think that another MB is gone... I want to get my hands on them someday but no we're down one Fireball. Le sigh...
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I am somewhat on the fence about this one. I usually stick away from customizing G1s for reasons like this, especially since I am still learning and my customs are not that great.
Usually I stick with customizing G3s and G4s and I take a quick look into their value before I even think about prepping them to bait just to make sure they are not rare.
It is sad to see two boys go like this, especially since they are so rare... But maybe they truly were in a baity condition and this is their chance at a 'new life'.
They are very beautiful looking customs and I hope someone gives them a good home.
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Customising has become so popular, and with such a huge influx of new FiM fans, people just don't think that anything could possibly be rare, they just see a pony and they want to make it "pretty" for some money.
It's infuriating, and really really sad, but eh, what are you gonna do? The damage has already been done :(
lol...This was almost my exact reaction when I saw these a few days ago. I thought it was unfortunate but then didn't give it another thought, probably because there are so many other things in my life that take my time and attention, even though Ice Crystal is my grail. I love my ponies but realize I won't be taking them with me when I go ;).
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{This is just a friendly reminder to keep things civil :) -KB}
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yeah... i was kinda mean... but from a financial standpoint i think they could have made more money with a reaaallly beat up mountain boy. :/ and i am sad about it... but i AM thinking about bidding so i can have a mountain boy... if it goes for cheap enough that is... then i'd probably make him look back to his original state.... but that's just what id do. I know it would be customizing a custom, but for the right price that may be the only way i will ever get a mountain boy.
IMO this behavior would be way worse than the sellers. I mean at this point the ponies are already customized - they have already lost all that is original about them. For you to even consider buying one and stripping it down to re-customize it is just disrespectful. Someone put a lot of work into those.
Well, it was her pony and her choice to customize a Mountain Boy ... so if you turn that logic around, once she sells it to someone, it's now their pony, and their choice what to do with it whatever they want - display or restore.
I'm not one to encourage people to de-customize ponies, but - technically, once you own it, it's your property, and if you wanna throw it on a bonfire in sacrificial worship to the Almighty MOC Mimic Goddess, then that's your choice. :P
sorry... im a customizer, toy restorer and an artist. If someone bought my work and redid it or painted over, yeah i might be a little upset, but it is theirs and i have the money. Personally i would never price my work so cheap to start out. and he's only 20$ so far... im not going to buy him... my money is needed eslewhere. He's nice, but it would be so tempting to just make him normal again. I do hope that people love this custom and that he goes for a really nice price for the seller. But if i saw him in a gallery for 30$ i would so nab him. I might or might not fix him up, but it would be a temptation....especially since Fireball is my fav MB.
From the description Fireball's eyes and freckles needed help, so his symbol and hair may have been shot too. If i had found a G3 in that condition, i probably would have customized it... i would have researched first though... if it was rare i would have asked you all what you thought, sell as is or fix up, but... i really dont think this person thought it through.... i still think they could have gotten more for him buggered up. There is another on ebay who is at 45$ right now and he is in "please help me" condition. this person put all that work fixing him up and isnt getting many bids yet. hopefully that changes. if not i feel sorry for the artist, but that is a risk we artists take.
I also think that if it is your pony you can do what you like with it. It may be sad to people but it is yours... so that's my thinking behind those comments.
sorry again. :<
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Def not an Icey, but yeah, the other was a Fireball. I only customize G1's that are way past the point of no return. Which why I've only done, I think..3 G1 customs? The thing is guys, the damage has been done. Now, IMO, they are both very pretty customs. :) What really makes me cringe is that some of you are saying you'd buy it just to strip and return it to it's former state. That's the same as customizing it. It'd NEVER sale for the same abount as the original, because it would be considered a custom restoration. :/ It really makes me a little sick to hear people say they'd buy custom's just to strip them. I put so much of my time, and heart into my creations. It would gut me to know someone had done that to my art. :cry:
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As a G1 collector it makes me sad to see a MB customized. Even if Fireball had stains or cancer spots he would have been a better candidate for restoration.
As a customizer it still makes me sad. I wish all customizers would act responsibly when it comes to selecting baits. This is why I rarely use G1 baits and why the majority ponies in my custom collection are G3s.
Now, I'm also of the mind that all ponies are property and people are free to do with them what they will. This goes both ways... If someone wants to bait their rare ponies that's their business. It makes me sad but there isn't much I can do about it. On the flip side if someone wants to buy a custom just to strip it down and recustomize it...well that's also their business.
I don't keep customs - I sell everyone I make. Once I have your money it's none of my business what happens to the customs. Would I want to be told it was being destroyed? NO but again, it's now your pony.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I can see both sides of the situation. Both scenarios (customizing HTF ponies and stripping customs) make me sad but I'm not going to waste my time or energy getting worked up over it.
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Every time this topic comes up there are a bunch of "it's your pony so you can do what you want with it" responses.
That is true in the literal sense; the Pony Cops are not going to bust down your door and arrest you for customizing Ice Crystal.
At the same time, it's more complicated than that. This is a community, and every community has standards and expectations. This is why we would reel in shock if someone bought an expensive custom that had taken hours of work and then put up a Youtube video showing the buyer defacing the pony and then setting it on fire . . . even though "it is their pony, they can do what they want with it."
Everyone CAN do what they want with their ponies, but doing certain things is going to make people upset, sad, or just boiling mad. Scribbling all over a Mimic in permanent ink. Cutting the hair of a mint Rapunzel. Customizing Fireball.
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I do feel it was strange to customize a mountain boy, but in fairness it was their choice, most of us wouldn't dream of it, but maybe they didn't know the sheer rarity and value of Fireball and Ice Crystal? It is a crying sham, I admit, but we can't change what's already happened, all we can do is hope it doesn't happen again :(
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I have problems trying to customize common G1s, let alone rare ones! :whoa:
It's their pony and all, but it is pretty disappointing. It's just like seeing someone hand over a Mimic to their 5 year old kid and watch them cut their hair and throw them in the dirt before selling them along... Like others have said, it's one less pony of that kind in existance, really.
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Every time this topic comes up there are a bunch of "it's your pony so you can do what you want with it" responses.
That is true in the literal sense; the Pony Cops are not going to bust down your door and arrest you for customizing Ice Crystal.
At the same time, it's more complicated than that. This is a community, and every community has standards and expectations. This is why we would reel in shock if someone bought an expensive custom that had taken hours of work and then put up a Youtube video showing the buyer defacing the pony and then setting it on fire . . . even though "it is their pony, they can do what they want with it."
Everyone CAN do what they want with their ponies, but doing certain things is going to make people upset, sad, or just boiling mad. Scribbling all over a Mimic in permanent ink. Cutting the hair of a mint Rapunzel. Customizing Fireball.
This is so true! Very well put.
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Well, I know they are rare but If I found a mountain boy who had no hair, eye paint or symbols I really don't see why customizing or restoration wouldn't be a good idea.
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Okay. I haven't SEEN the ponies themselves, so I dunno, but...
I don't want to offend, but... umm....
I think some of you guys are kind of... Uhh.... ;--;
Guys? I'm sorry. But I don't get it. I see a shiny new pony at the thrift store, and I smile. Even with ponies I don't like, I think "I couldn't bait you... You lived thiiis long? You deserve to keep on going."
I'm not really even a collector. I like a few ponies, only own, like, 20 that haven't been modded.... But...
Cancer, guys. Cancer, age spots, mold spots that won't come out even after you kill the mold.
Hair so matted that even with conditioning and a flat iron cannot be restored...
Symbols scuffed beyond recognition, body parts gnawed off by dogs...
Yeah. You can reroot. You can sculpt, you can repaint, paint over... All that...
But where in the course of restoration is the point totally lost? Doesn't it get to a point where, if you have to, say, do a full body repaint to hide cancer on a restore, that it may asweeeelll be a custom, it's taken so much effort to restore it? And it's no longer woooorth anything BECAUSE it was a mess taht was simply restored, and for all anyone knows, it might not even BE the pony they say it is. I know you guys can say customizers are mooonsters for even thiiinking about taking that rare pony with no tail, a leg gnawed off, and cancer everywhere, and mod it.... But what is it without modding it? Restoring for your personal collection is one thing, and I do that.... But you can't really restore for others to that scale, can you?
I just feel like... When a pony looks that bad, and nothing can make it look better, it doesn't belong on anyones shelf.... Frankly, I think ponies with cancer are disgusting. I mean, wasn't it proven recently that there was some bacteria in it? It's... Ick.
I just think it's better to give them new life... Now, I'd say there are some exceptions to this rule, but there are only so many.
Customizing doesn't destroy a pony. It gives it a new chance at life.... That doesn't involve living in a collectors plastic tub, sealed in a plastic bag, with a silica packet, because it's not pretty enough to display, and the owners afraid it will keep spreading.
So, I dunno... Maybe I like to daydream Toy Story style way too much, but I think a pony would feel sad in that situation, and they'd rather be loved after their makeover, than be prized, but tossed in a ziplock...
*ducks for people throwing fakies, and runs out*
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Customizing doesn't destroy a pony. It gives it a new chance at life.... That doesn't involve living in a collectors plastic tub, sealed in a plastic bag, with a silica packet, because it's not pretty enough to display, and the owners afraid it will keep spreading.
So, I dunno... Maybe I like to daydream Toy Story style way too much, but I think a pony would feel sad in that situation, and they'd rather be loved after their makeover, than be prized, but tossed in a ziplock...
*ducks for people throwing fakies, and runs out*
I think this is a beautiful sentiment. I customize all gens, the moldy, the chewed on, the cancerous. Ponies that have served their time faithfully. If they are rare/uncommon the can be lovingly restored (I restored a pony with its face cut in half!) It's pretty much a custom them, but I see it as a restore as I'm not "inventing" anything.
Fireball? Bad idea. But it is a done deal. I think the customs are nice and gonig to get a lot of attention both good and bad.
I do hope that if the artist ever visited the Arena, we would still show them our internet-famous pony hospitality :)
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Okay. I haven't SEEN the ponies themselves, so I dunno, but...
I don't want to offend, but... umm....
I think some of you guys are kind of... Uhh.... ;--;
Guys? I'm sorry. But I don't get it. I see a shiny new pony at the thrift store, and I smile. Even with ponies I don't like, I think "I couldn't bait you... You lived thiiis long? You deserve to keep on going."
I'm not really even a collector. I like a few ponies, only own, like, 20 that haven't been modded.... But...
Cancer, guys. Cancer, age spots, mold spots that won't come out even after you kill the mold.
Hair so matted that even with conditioning and a flat iron cannot be restored...
Symbols scuffed beyond recognition, body parts gnawed off by dogs...
Yeah. You can reroot. You can sculpt, you can repaint, paint over... All that...
But where in the course of restoration is the point totally lost? Doesn't it get to a point where, if you have to, say, do a full body repaint to hide cancer on a restore, that it may asweeeelll be a custom, it's taken so much effort to restore it? And it's no longer woooorth anything BECAUSE it was a mess taht was simply restored, and for all anyone knows, it might not even BE the pony they say it is. I know you guys can say customizers are mooonsters for even thiiinking about taking that rare pony with no tail, a leg gnawed off, and cancer everywhere, and mod it.... But what is it without modding it? Restoring for your personal collection is one thing, and I do that.... But you can't really restore for others to that scale, can you?
I just feel like... When a pony looks that bad, and nothing can make it look better, it doesn't belong on anyones shelf.... Frankly, I think ponies with cancer are disgusting. I mean, wasn't it proven recently that there was some bacteria in it? It's... Ick.
I just think it's better to give them new life... Now, I'd say there are some exceptions to this rule, but there are only so many.
Customizing doesn't destroy a pony. It gives it a new chance at life.... That doesn't involve living in a collectors plastic tub, sealed in a plastic bag, with a silica packet, because it's not pretty enough to display, and the owners afraid it will keep spreading.
So, I dunno... Maybe I like to daydream Toy Story style way too much, but I think a pony would feel sad in that situation, and they'd rather be loved after their makeover, than be prized, but tossed in a ziplock...
*ducks for people throwing fakies, and runs out*
You've said great things, yeah, customizing gives ponies a new life.
Always, actually. But when the pony almost the only thing it needed was a bath and was completely baited, is a whole different thing (at least for me, and who the pony in question is).
But also as collectors, we feel bad when a pony with issues (cancer, age spots, matted hair, etc., to not say a perfectly good pony) is turned into a custom and not taking into account (trading/selling) it to someone who doesn't care about issues, just to have said pony.
I've just gotten a pony, that as many customizers may think, is not even worth the time to even try to clean her up, and to better customize atm. But she's one of the jewels of my collection. And why? Because given all her issues, was the only way I could afford her (it is a Peru Glory, yellowed, matted hair, eyes and symbols almost completely gone).
And with Toy Story... I know it saddens me when ponies are just stored, away from display, in boxes, bags, etc., but I also understand that they are so because their owners have not the space to display them all. I know I'm really lucky to be able to display all my G1s, G2s and G4s due to my big room (and I need more walls ;_;), but almost all my G3s are stored in the closet, and I know it is not fair for them, either.
But in the end, they are TOYS designed for kids, that we love and collect, a lot of us because we grew up with them, and others because they found about and started to like/love them.
I know one time I almost had a heart attack when in a party (less than 10 years ago) there was a MIB in MINT BOX Mexican Baby Moondancer and a little girl opened it tearing it apart in the moment she got him... But they are toys, yeah, I'd loved to have gotten him, but I was not going to argue with a mom and girl over a toy, even if I have paid and bought him for myself.
And I couldn't agree more with Colorscarpet =)
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LadyMoondancer - you managed to word all of my thoughts perfectly!
i would also like to remind people (because many long term collectors need reminding now and then ^^) that some of us (ie. me) don't care much for imperfections! I don't see cancer as icky or whatever, and I don't mind that my 4-Speed has faded pink stripe and is riddled with cancer/discoloration - just like I wouldn't mind a Fireball with faults like those.
Just saying, no matter how "icky" a pony might be to one collector, it might still make a loving part of the collection for another :)
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LadyMoondancer - you managed to word all of my thoughts perfectly!
i would also like to remind people (because many long term collectors need reminding now and then ^^) that some of us (ie. me) don't care much for imperfections! I don't see cancer as icky or whatever, and I don't mind that my 4-Speed has faded pink stripe and is riddled with cancer/discoloration - just like I wouldn't mind a Fireball with faults like those.
Just saying, no matter how "icky" a pony might be to one collector, it might still make a loving part of the collection for another :)
I am starting an army of regrind ponies. I want to do some tests and study how the process works to see if it can be manipulated to come out evenly. I also love my cancer ponies. a lot seem to be ones from my childhood or past "grails" that just became cancerous in the last year or so. I hope to be able to find ways to fix or eliminate the cancer completely. I tend to hoard these poor sick ponies... and if that's the only thing wrong with them, they dont get customized. I am also afraid of what might happen after years with paint over top of the cancer... it kinda scares me to think about sealed away mold. O_o
And again I apologize for making people sad. I guess im just too used to the cut throat "fine art" world. :/ need to get out of that!
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I do hope that if the artist ever visited the Arena, we would still show them our internet-famous pony hospitality :)
THIS.
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I think since the name of the seller is a pony name, that they knew how much Fireball goes for, and that he must have been in truly baity (marked up with no symbol and a haircut) condition to begin with. Especially since they have another pony for sale that is just a rehair. I mean I know some people would rather have it restored but if you would accept the kind of restore a pony that is that far gone would need then why not just have someone customize a common pony into Fireball? Either way it isn't original anymore.
They might not have even intended to sell him when he was made but times are hard and sometimes people end up having to part with something they originally planned to keep to pay the bills.
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I think since the name of the seller is a pony name, that they knew how much Fireball goes for, and that he must have been in truly baity (marked up with no symbol and a haircut) condition to begin with. Especially since they have another pony for sale that is just a rehair. I mean I know some people would rather have it restored but if you would accept the kind of restore a pony that is that far gone would need then why not just have someone customize a common pony into Fireball? Either way it isn't original anymore.
I have a hard time believing he could have been in that bad a state when his customizer confirmed his eyes and freckles were intact and just needed a slight touching up. If a haircut and some symbol loss equals bait now, I can see why G1's are becoming so difficult to find :c
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I personally won't touch a cancerous pony, I'm just too worried that it will spread to my other ponies, I have some childhood ponies that I have kept perfect all these years and if one of them suddenly got cancer I would be distraught :O
As for seeing a cancerous pony at a thrift store, personally I'd rather leave them there for someone else to enjoy, maybe even customize, since I have no creative skill whatsoever I believe others should be given a chance to enjoy that pony. As for dirt, haircuts etc, I will definitely rehome them, no matter how common or rare. As for bites and missing limbs, sadly I cant fix them so I also don't take them home. I do in this case with Fireball believe that it was strange to bait what appears to have been a prefectly in tact FB and customise him, it seems strange, and with Icecrystal too. Never mind. What's done is done. They look very good now anyway!
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I think almost any pony is capable of being restored... And there will always be someone out there who'd really want them!
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Question....and maybe this is an indication of how out of touch I can be with peoples opinions or how much I prefer "as perfect as possible" ponies...
For example...Do you think a pony with a complete hohawk, no tail, symbol missing, unremovable stains on his body and perhaps something as irritating as age spots - restored back to being a Fireball [repainted symbol, completely rehaired and with the unremovable marks remaining] is as "valuable" as a one of a kind custom? In that condition isnt he just a "kind of custom" anyway?
*Note I dont know what condition these ponies were in...after reading so many opinions on this I am now just curious at what point people think a restore is a restore and a restore is custom....
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Personally, if a pony has no hair (or very little left) and no symbol, it's all the same to me whether it gets restored or customized. otherwise - leave it alone! :P
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I think since the name of the seller is a pony name, that they knew how much Fireball goes for, and that he must have been in truly baity (marked up with no symbol and a haircut) condition to begin with. Especially since they have another pony for sale that is just a rehair. I mean I know some people would rather have it restored but if you would accept the kind of restore a pony that is that far gone would need then why not just have someone customize a common pony into Fireball? Either way it isn't original anymore.
I have a hard time believing he could have been in that bad a state when his customizer confirmed his eyes and freckles were intact and just needed a slight touching up. If a haircut and some symbol loss equals bait now, I can see why G1's are becoming so difficult to find :c
Just because the face was fine does not mean the hind end was fine. For example its original owner could have decided that Fireball's symbol was too plain and took a sharpie to it. I just think if someone doesn't care enough about original condition that they would accept a restore with a rehair and a full symbol repaint they might as well get a replica made from a more common pony. While the ideal is that only truly manky G1 ponies become bait, even super rare ponies are not immune to being manky.
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I think that Ice Crystal in question used to be a Salty. I could be wrong..
Also I'm pretty certain that Fireball was originally a Steamer, looking at the shade of pink.
But no, I completely agree with the comments above. Check your ponies before you customise!
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Personally, if someone found a super baity MB of any kind... I would rather see it restored than turned into a custom because of how expensive they can be. I am at the point in my collecting that I am probably not going to be able to afford a genuine MB in the near future... but if someone restored one, that might be more in my price range. I just hate seeing rare ponies turned into something else, even if that something else is an amazing piece of art like these boys... although I'm also going to say that "Ice Crystal" was not Ice Crystal to begin with.
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After reading through the comments and looking at the ponies myself, I don't think that they were Mountain Boys to begin with. "Ice Crystal", while the same color, isn't in Ice Crystal's pose and "Fireball" is a different shade of pink. Both customs are just beautiful, but people really should do their research before customizing ponies.
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Question....and maybe this is an indication of how out of touch I can be with peoples opinions or how much I prefer "as perfect as possible" ponies...
For example...Do you think a pony with a complete hohawk, no tail, symbol missing, unremovable stains on his body and perhaps something as irritating as age spots - restored back to being a Fireball [repainted symbol, completely rehaired and with the unremovable marks remaining] is as "valuable" as a one of a kind custom? In that condition isnt he just a "kind of custom" anyway?
*Note I dont know what condition these ponies were in...after reading so many opinions on this I am now just curious at what point people think a restore is a restore and a restore is custom....
IMO, a restore for me is some paint retouches (eyes, symbol), and partial to full rehairing (depending on the hair, and leaving the body intact, or some paint to cover age spots/cancer), and helping a limbless pony to be complete (always with the idea of not selling it as an original). A custom for me is doing a full rehair, and a lot of painting (ie. almost full symbol and eyes redone).
I know others will disagree with my concepts, but that are my idea for custom and restoration.
I know there are more heavy-restorations that can be categorized as a customization, but that's not always the case (I remember the case of a chewed head of a Daddy Sweet Celebration and a legless Galaxy that were restored in a way that still makes me go speechless at the images, that's a really amazing job to stare at for hours!).
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Just because the face was fine does not mean the hind end was fine. For example its original owner could have decided that Fireball's symbol was too plain and took a sharpie to it. I just think if someone doesn't care enough about original condition that they would accept a restore with a rehair and a full symbol repaint they might as well get a replica made from a more common pony. While the ideal is that only truly manky G1 ponies become bait, even super rare ponies are not immune to being manky.
Since when does a haircut and some symbol damage automatically equal bait? If that's the case many of my G1s are bait material. :/
Not everyone only wants minty ponies, but not everyone wants to have every grail made into a custom instead so non-baity rare G1s can be customized. One of my biggest grails is a Mimic. . .in baity condition, to add to my collection exactly as she is. One of my favorite ponies in the world in a Moonstone with a missing tail, major symbol rub, and cancer/rust stains all over his face and body. I've wanted to buy bait lots of G1s so many times to add them to my collection exactly as they are, with no restoring or customizing. On many G1s, I prefer them to have haircuts or to be tailless. I rarely mind small marks (pen, pindot, small rubs, etc) and usually don't mind bigger ones (cancer, regrind large rubs, etc). That does NOT mean I'm not entitled to want to have original ponies instead of customs (and yes, I do love customs and have a few myself including two G1 customs; I even plan to eventually get some customs made after Nirvanas I can't afford).
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Since the person knew the names and the term mountain boys they seem to know their stuff and would know better than to customize rare ponies.
I think the baits were Salty and Steamer and that the custom designs were loosely based on the Mountain Boys.
Someone should ask the seller who the baits were (nicely!) just to put the issue to rest.
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Someone here did, a few pages back. They confirmed Fireball was indeed Fireball but they said they thought Icey was Tornado (which i´m not seeing at all)
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Wow some of the comments on here made me change my opinions of these customs, I first thought it was horrid baiting a mountain boy but now I think if he was in terrible condition why not. For example
Say if the seller oringally brought their ponies for a high price and ended up with some manky ponies.. say if the person she brought them off lyed about the condition these ponies were in.
Now she has these ponies that were really expensive but the resale value is not even half off what she paid for them... she hates the ponies...she is not made of money...what does she do? Customize them into ponies she loves... after a few years she sells her collection or these two cause she has outgrown them. Can you really be mad at a person under that situation?
I personally have brought 2 manky thunderclouds.. both sellers failed to tell me about the cancer spots, big stains and a cut in the symbols. Now I have 2 thunderclouds that I hate (and for the record I never want another thundercloud in my life). I wish I brought another pony... but no I am stuck with these 2. personally would perfer a cool custom like those 2 made of one of my thundercloud. It would make me love him again. They are my ponies and I am not going to sell them so why not?
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Wow some of the comments on here made me change my opinions of these customs, I first thought it was horrid baiting a mountain boy but now I think if he was in terrible condition why not. For example
Say if the seller oringally brought their ponies for a high price and ended up with some manky ponies.. say if the person she brought them off lyed about the condition these ponies were in.
Now she has these ponies that were really expensive but the resale value is not even half off what she paid for them... she hates the ponies...she is not made of money...what does she do? Customize them into ponies she loves... after a few years she sells her collection or these two cause she has outgrown them. Can you really be mad at a person under that situation?
I personally have brought 2 manky thunderclouds.. both sellers failed to tell me about the cancer spots, big stains and a cut in the symbols. Now I have 2 thunderclouds that I hate (and for the record I never want another thundercloud in my life). I wish I brought another pony... but no I am stuck with these 2. personally would perfer a cool custom like those 2 made of one of my thundercloud. It would make me love him again. They are my ponies and I am not going to sell them so why not?
If sellers lie about/leave out crucial information regarding an item, you can contact them and explain the problem, or if they aren't cooperative, you can file a PayPal claim against them to get your money back. It's no reason for someone to deny their fellow collectors of ponies they would probably adore and couldn't afford otherwise :huh:
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I'm 99% sure that Ice Crystal used to be Barnacle. The pose of Salty is *COMPLETELY* wrong. The only ponies that match that pose are:
*4-Speed
*Quarterback
*Barnacle
*Sunburst
*Thundercloud
And because he has blush, that rules out Sunburst and Thundercloud. Don't forget she could have dyed a pony to get the color desired. I lean towards a discolored Barnacle, because going from dark blue to green would be difficult in the case of Quarterback, and he closer matches Barnacle over 4-Speed. ^-^
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I do believe that is Barnacle.
I'm not really sure how I feel about the whole ideal of a MB being customized. I think they are way to valuable and rare to be baiting them out. Even if he was a manky Fireball.
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I see a lot of people saying they would have loved to have Fireball but maybe they did try to sell him first and nobody bought him, possibly because there were all sorts of ugly marks on the butt and they might have been asking too much. They decided if they have to keep him they might as well make him pretty instead of having an ugly pony with marks all over it on their shelves. Paint matching a body color to paint over just marks is tricky especially since some paints dry a different color than when they are wet. At least with covering the marks with a new design they don't have to worry if the paint matches when it dries. Something happens and they really need money so they sell off a few of their least favorite collection pieces at much lower than they would have originally asked because they are desperate. I know the only way I would want a manky looking pony on my shelf is if it had sentimental value.
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'If sellers lie about/leave out crucial information regarding an item, you can contact them and explain the problem, or if they aren't cooperative, you can file a PayPal claim against them to get your money back. It's no reason for someone to deny their fellow collectors of ponies they would probably adore and couldn't afford otherwise'
I totally understand that thanks anyway : ) I am an international buyer so by the time I got 1 of the ponies it was to late to dispute it throught ebay... the other wasnt through ebay often in nz we pay people money directly into there bank account so there is little one can do unless the seller gives you the money back : (
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Wow some of the comments on here made me change my opinions of these customs, I first thought it was horrid baiting a mountain boy but now I think if he was in terrible condition why not. For example
Say if the seller oringally brought their ponies for a high price and ended up with some manky ponies.. say if the person she brought them off lyed about the condition these ponies were in.
Now she has these ponies that were really expensive but the resale value is not even half off what she paid for them... she hates the ponies...she is not made of money...what does she do? Customize them into ponies she loves... after a few years she sells her collection or these two cause she has outgrown them. Can you really be mad at a person under that situation?
I personally have brought 2 manky thunderclouds.. both sellers failed to tell me about the cancer spots, big stains and a cut in the symbols. Now I have 2 thunderclouds that I hate (and for the record I never want another thundercloud in my life). I wish I brought another pony... but no I am stuck with these 2. personally would perfer a cool custom like those 2 made of one of my thundercloud. It would make me love him again. They are my ponies and I am not going to sell them so why not?
You could always sell one or both of them (not entirely sure why you wouldn't want to if you hate them..?), and use the money to buy those customs (or customs from someone else even!) Then you'd be happy, seller would be happy, and one or two fellow collectors would have a Mountain Boy to adore that they might not get otherwise. =D Just a suggestion. =)
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Firstly i would just like to say please don't kill me! But i do have a couple of boys in my bait box and I fully intend to customise them! Pretty much all the baits i buy come from ebay and i always buy them pretty cheap so all the baits I have are exactly that Bait with mank hair and in bad condition. I work on the assumption that if someone wanted them for their collection they would have outbid me on the meager amount that i paid. I can totally understand being upset if someone customised a mint condition boy or for that matter any G1 that was in great condition but I don't think anyone should be bashing a customiser for what they do with their own ponies.
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I work on the assumption that if someone wanted them for their collection they would have outbid me on the meager amount that i paid.
Just saying, but not everyone can/will buy off of eBay or has been collecting forever. I'd probably put a lot, if not all, of your baits into my collection as they are (obviously I don't know exactly how they look) but I haven't been collecting for even a year yet nor do I have any spare funds. So its not always a case of "well nobody wanted them in their collection".
If they're truly baity and not rare, then bait them, I don't care. But I'm just reminding you that just because you didn't get outbid doesn't mean people didn't/wouldn't want them in their collection. That's kind of ridiculous to assume.
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I agree with Taxel. Also, bait lots are not an option for us living far away as shipping is a killer. I´ve seen a bunch of "bait" lots out there that I would gladly just keep as they are. Unfortunately, I can't ever order more than 3 ponies anymore without customs skinning me alive here :S
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Firstly i would just like to say please don't kill me! But i do have a couple of boys in my bait box and I fully intend to customise them! Pretty much all the baits i buy come from ebay and i always buy them pretty cheap so all the baits I have are exactly that Bait with mank hair and in bad condition. I work on the assumption that if someone wanted them for their collection they would have outbid me on the meager amount that i paid. I can totally understand being upset if someone customised a mint condition boy or for that matter any G1 that was in great condition but I don't think anyone should be bashing a customiser for what they do with their own ponies.
I'm assuming your boys are ponies like Wig Wam, 4-Speed, Chief, etc. The difference is those ponies are slightly hard to find, but not rare, and many people use them as baits; at least one of the baits used for the customs in question was a pony worth $100+ (in mint condition), which changes the situation completely.
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I think they would have sold for more, even with major flaws if she had not customised them. And lets face it, the painting and design were good, but they weren't outstanding. I regularly see better made customs on here made from G3/4's. I guess what I'm trying to say is the fact that they were Mountain Boy ponies didn't add anything to the final product, so why use them?
For a G1 to be considered truly baity in my eyes it would have to have limbs/ears missing and be covered in cancer/non-removable marks, which clearly neither of these boys were.
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Well I guess we know which one is more popular and valuable one now.
Custom Fireball sold for over 50 dollars, while non-custom "well loved" Fireball in poor condition has sat on ebay for about 45 dollars for a month. I have heard an overwhelming cry that most people would want a baity Fireball, yet he still needs a home. C'mon people, what are you waiting for! :P
I do agree its sad to see a pony of its rarity be customized, but I am also happy to see that pony gain a new life as a custom. I think it is actually pretty neat that the seller used the mountain boy theme, but made that pony unique.
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Wow some of the comments on here made me change my opinions of these customs, I first thought it was horrid baiting a mountain boy but now I think if he was in terrible condition why not. For example
Say if the seller oringally brought their ponies for a high price and ended up with some manky ponies.. say if the person she brought them off lyed about the condition these ponies were in.
Now she has these ponies that were really expensive but the resale value is not even half off what she paid for them... she hates the ponies...she is not made of money...what does she do? Customize them into ponies she loves... after a few years she sells her collection or these two cause she has outgrown them. Can you really be mad at a person under that situation?
I personally have brought 2 manky thunderclouds.. both sellers failed to tell me about the cancer spots, big stains and a cut in the symbols. Now I have 2 thunderclouds that I hate (and for the record I never want another thundercloud in my life). I wish I brought another pony... but no I am stuck with these 2. personally would perfer a cool custom like those 2 made of one of my thundercloud. It would make me love him again. They are my ponies and I am not going to sell them so why not?
You could always sell one or both of them (not entirely sure why you wouldn't want to if you hate them..?), and use the money to buy those customs (or customs from someone else even!) Then you'd be happy, seller would be happy, and one or two fellow collectors would have a Mountain Boy to adore that they might not get otherwise. =D Just a suggestion. =)
And I'd love to have a MB even if in bad condition =D
Firstly i would just like to say please don't kill me! But i do have a couple of boys in my bait box and I fully intend to customise them! Pretty much all the baits i buy come from ebay and i always buy them pretty cheap so all the baits I have are exactly that Bait with mank hair and in bad condition. I work on the assumption that if someone wanted them for their collection they would have outbid me on the meager amount that i paid. I can totally understand being upset if someone customised a mint condition boy or for that matter any G1 that was in great condition but I don't think anyone should be bashing a customiser for what they do with their own ponies.
But that's another detail, some sellers only ship WITHIN USA, specially with lots (or at least the most of times I saw they only ship within USA, so us international buyers have no way to even bid on them, or shipping is WAY MORE than the whole lot *sad* (ie, lot sold for $20 and shipping is $40). And another thing, in some lots I CAN have a lot of the ponies on it, and only interested in one or two, and as I'm no customizer, what will I do with the rest of the ponies?.
And I agree with Taxel and the others.
Really baity ponies are bait material, they need a new life, and being customized gives them that opportunity, I completely agree on that. But there are ponies I'd love to have even in a really manky and bad and horrible condition just because it's them (and in mint condition I'm almost sure I'll never could afford them...).
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Custom Fireball sold for over 50 dollars, while non-custom "well loved" Fireball in poor condition has sat on ebay for about 45 dollars for a month. I have heard an overwhelming cry that most people would want a baity Fireball, yet he still needs a home. C'mon people, what are you waiting for! :P
Not everyone interested has money. And honestly even though I'd love him I 1) have a VERY hard time spending more than $20 on a pony and even $20 is pushing it and 2) I'd want to rehair his cut plugs, but I can't rehair and wouldn't want to have to pay to have him shipped both ways and pay someone else to rehair those bits.
So yeah. Its not always a matter of nobody wanting them. And also don't people normally wait until the last moments to bid? I bid on some eBay auctions before and had people complaining about me bidding and raising the price of some ponies a few days before they ended.
And honestly I don't think a $5 difference is worth customizing a rare pony over. Especially since customizing costs money for supplies. So technically she still would have made more not customizing him because part of her profit wouldn't have been just covering customizing supplies.
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I'm wondering why the artist didn't just say what the baits were to begin with...if it were me, I'd include that in the description, whether the bait was rare or not, just for peace of mind or simple curiosity of whoever might be interested.
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But that's another detail, some sellers only ship WITHIN USA, specially with lots (or at least the most of times I saw they only ship within USA, so us international buyers have no way to even bid on them, or shipping is WAY MORE than the whole lot *sad* (ie, lot sold for $20 and shipping is $40).
THIS. Of all the things I find on ebay, I can ususaly buy less than 1/4 of what I want because peopel won't ship outside the US. Saying that clearly no one else wants a pony because they didn't outbid you on it is quite ridiculous, IMO.
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i want them ALL but have little money! (darn you art school!) so yeah... I also prefer my ponies "played with" aka in pretty beat up shape. I dunno.. I guess i like them to match my childhood ponies. :3 but i will customize a truly baity pony (unless i dont have one already, then when i get another im too attached to the first). Give them new life. Like a phoenix. Reborn from the ashes.
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Custom Fireball sold for over 50 dollars, while non-custom "well loved" Fireball in poor condition has sat on ebay for about 45 dollars for a month. I have heard an overwhelming cry that most people would want a baity Fireball, yet he still needs a home. C'mon people, what are you waiting for! :P
Not everyone interested has money. And honestly even though I'd love him I 1) have a VERY hard time spending more than $20 on a pony and even $20 is pushing it and 2) I'd want to rehair his cut plugs, but I can't rehair and wouldn't want to have to pay to have him shipped both ways and pay someone else to rehair those bits.
So yeah. Its not always a matter of nobody wanting them. And also don't people normally wait until the last moments to bid? I bid on some eBay auctions before and had people complaining about me bidding and raising the price of some ponies a few days before they ended.
And honestly I don't think a $5 difference is worth customizing a rare pony over. Especially since customizing costs money for supplies. So technically she still would have made more not customizing him because part of her profit wouldn't have been just covering customizing supplies.
I think the pony that has been sitting a month on ebay is a BIN not an auction. There are no last moments on BINs.
The point is we don't know if they tried to sell it and just nobody bought it. Do we expect someone to sit on a pony waiting for it to sell forever? If it isn't selling should they lower it and "take a loss"? I know if I ever had a rare pony with marks on its body and nobody was buying it, I'd have to do something with it to make it more appealing. I can't paint match for the life of me so my only choices would be either a full body repaint and then repaint everything else or to give it a new design that covers up the marks. I think I'd rather do the second especially since I wouldn't have to redo the face because faces are hard. Anyways if I had to give it a full body repaint it wouldn't really matter if it was Fireball before or not.
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Its not a BIN, its an auction.
And there's a big difference between holding on to a rare pony and holding onto a common pony while waiting for someone to buy.
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Its not a BIN, its an auction.
And there's a big difference between holding on to a rare pony and holding onto a common pony while waiting for someone to buy.
Wow I have never heard of an auction going on for a month?
So you think if nobody is buying a rare pony after say a year they should still be patient and hope someone comes along and buys it?
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Ok I should clarify that I mean "has been relisted continuously for a month". People have had plenty of last moments to bid on the Fireball. My point was also that it is not selling, while the custom is. That means their asking price might be too high.
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Ok I should clarify that I mean "has been relisted continuously for a month". People have had plenty of last moments to bid on the Fireball. My point was also that it is not selling, while the custom is. That means their asking price might be too high.
or im poor. I would snatch him up in a heartbeat even at that price if i had the money.. :< but i do understand what you are saying.
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Ok I should clarify that I mean "has been relisted continuously for a month". People have had plenty of last moments to bid on the Fireball. My point was also that it is not selling, while the custom is. That means their asking price might be too high.
Or their shipping might be, or they might have bad feedback, or they might not ship internationally...etc, etc.
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Ok I should clarify that I mean "has been relisted continuously for a month". People have had plenty of last moments to bid on the Fireball. My point was also that it is not selling, while the custom is. That means their asking price might be too high.
Or their shipping might be, or they might have bad feedback, or they might not ship internationally...etc, etc.
But this seller with a poor condition Fireball for $45, they do ship internationally! :) And their shipping is very reasonable, and they do have good feedback. And they take all kinds of payment.
So what are you waiting for people!!? :)
Seriously, apparently no one wants him at the $45.
But the other seller, who wished to customize theirs, went ahead and did that and it was sold for $53.
So why shouldn't this $45 seller do the same thing?
People cried over the customized fireball, how they would have wanted him even if he was in poor condition etc etc. But in the end it's all talk.
The thing is, of course it's good if we can all collect and hold on to ponies for the sake of the community, but reality will have to come first after all. People might not want to allow the storage space needed or they can no longer afford the investment a htf pony is - it can lose its value over time. Or they might simply have had the same ponies for sale for a long time and gotten tired with it when they don't sell.
People can not keep holding on to ponies for you, just because you currently don't have the cash. ;) To expect them to do that would be very selfish. They don't know when you are going to have the cash. Next month? Next year..?
If you are seriously interested in buying you need to go ahead at some point.
I honestly wish that you save that $45 Fireball by buying him. To make sure no customizer get their hands on him.
But if you cannot or don't want to, that can not be helped, (and that means someone may customize him in the future).
You know? ;)
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Somebody seriously needs to pick him up. The closer-to-mint one is GBP 50.00, he's GBP 29.00 if you don't care about his balding and the price of a skein of Sour Grapes extra if you do. The Big Brothers wore bandanas, maybe Fireball could wear one Axel Rose style to cover his dome.
I'd do it if he wasn't over $50. Not terrible for a rare pony but out of my range.