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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Koudoawaia on January 11, 2024, 09:19:32 AM

Title: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Koudoawaia on January 11, 2024, 09:19:32 AM
Went to Walmart for the first time in I can't remember and decided to check out their pony section and it's really sad and pitiful how it's virtually non existent now. I saw large figures of Jazz and Izzy and some kind of small boxes that looked like tiny house playsets or something. Not sure what those were but yeah. It was sad to see how little there is now.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Kitcatepic on January 11, 2024, 10:13:44 AM
last time I went to target they only had the mane 5 set with the long tails and that really ugly opaline fashion style I recently went to meijer and it probably had the best pony section I have seen in a while they had the 40th anniversary collector pose ponies as well as the year 3 earth ponies they also had some g5 singles and mini world magic sets but it is defiantly not what it used to be 
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Rebeldream on January 11, 2024, 04:39:46 PM
My Walmart no longer has ponies at all but I’ve been finding G5 and even some G4.5 at the discount stores like Burlington, Ross, TJ Maxx, etc.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Queen Sophie on January 11, 2024, 05:04:26 PM
My Walmart got rid of its pony section, I found a juice bottle and towel of g5 but that’s it
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: SunPony on January 11, 2024, 05:45:47 PM
The Meijers near me continue to have really good pony sections!  Everything Kitcatepic described plus lots of G5 playsets and little plushes, and really just pretty much everything pony that is out right now that I could think of except the newer Basic Fun stuff.

Targets have almost NOTHING.  Haven't been in a Walmart in months so not sure what they might have.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on January 12, 2024, 06:43:38 AM
I haven't seen a Walmart toy aisle with a MLP presence in such a long time. 
TRU has a section for Hasbro products and they usually put the MLP wherever the other animal toys are.

but true, absolutely nothing like the previous generations
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on January 12, 2024, 11:39:23 AM
It's been like this for a while. A shame because I was hoping G5 would have reinvigorated the brand but toys seem to be very secondary now.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Carrehz on January 12, 2024, 01:58:28 PM
It's like that here too :( Don't think ASDA has had anything MLP for over a year now, not sure about Tesco, and everywhere else only has a handful of things - and that's if you're lucky. I think there were bigger pony sections during G4.5 >_< It makes me so sad to see.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 12, 2024, 06:14:47 PM
Not much here either. Though Christmas was pretty recent.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Loa on January 12, 2024, 06:39:02 PM
One of our biggest department stores has stopped selling MLP altogether!
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 12, 2024, 07:05:47 PM
I occasionally wonder if Hasbro is slowly trying to get rid of the brand?
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: WingedDragon on January 12, 2024, 08:19:46 PM
Thailand has 2 major competing Department store chains, plus Toys R Us.
In one chain, Pony are on 70% sale section.
In Toys R Us, it is 20% off.
In the other chain, it still has its own section and seems to be fine.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Snapdragon on January 13, 2024, 12:10:06 AM
I used to be able to find more variety of MLP at Walmart, for whatever reason; the last time I went hunting before Christmas, it looked like they'd gotten rid of it entirely. Target has only had a mini 20-pack and the extra-long hair set for six months, it feels like, occasionally interspersed with the RV set, which is another mini set. My next closest Target got rid of the pony section entirely.

It really sucks! I know I can't expect an 'everything store' like Walmart or Target to have a massive toy selection, but this feels significantly worse than G4 distribution by miles. Is Hasbro falling down, are the retailers drawing back? I don't want to get all my ponies from Amazon! :yikes:
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: kingluke on January 13, 2024, 08:12:13 AM
There is no my little pony in our local toy store. It's a big store with lots of things, including but not limited to gorjuss dolls, blind bag capsules, loads of plushies and lots more.No ponies though :(
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 13, 2024, 08:29:38 AM
I used to be able to find more variety of MLP at Walmart, for whatever reason; the last time I went hunting before Christmas, it looked like they'd gotten rid of it entirely. Target has only had a mini 20-pack and the extra-long hair set for six months, it feels like, occasionally interspersed with the RV set, which is another mini set. My next closest Target got rid of the pony section entirely.

It really sucks! I know I can't expect an 'everything store' like Walmart or Target to have a massive toy selection, but this feels significantly worse than G4 distribution by miles. Is Hasbro falling down, are the retailers drawing back? I don't want to get all my ponies from Amazon! :yikes:

Me neither
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: BlackCurtains on January 13, 2024, 09:15:47 AM
Who is opening up Toys 'R' Us in their stores? Is that Target? Maybe they will have more ponies when that's fully implemented.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Loa on January 13, 2024, 12:21:59 PM
I wonder if they are doing a big clear out before a new range!
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on January 13, 2024, 03:03:12 PM
I don't think the Entertainer's pony display has changed since 2022.

I wish I was joking.

Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Carrehz on January 13, 2024, 04:02:44 PM
Who is opening up Toys 'R' Us in their stores? Is that Target? Maybe they will have more ponies when that's fully implemented.

Macy's has Toys R Us, at least in New York. When I was there last July the one in Times Square had a small MLP section, not much variety but still more than I usually see here in the UK x)
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Minty_Magic on January 13, 2024, 10:49:31 PM
The pony sections around here have been so sad at every big box store I’ve been to! A lot of times I just don’t even look anymore, the same 5 or so items never seem to change.

Macys does have a TrU section here. They do admittedly have more ponies than say Target or Walmart, but it just seems like there are so few G5 releases to begin with that even when a lot of them are there it doesn’t feel like much.

 I get the feeling Hasbro kind of just w to G5 to fizzle out at this point so they can try another reboot. It’s a shame because I think G5 is really cute, but they haven’t been given much of a fair chance. The toys released have been really mixed in terms of quality and the lack of unique characters certainly hasn’t helped.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Carrehz on January 14, 2024, 10:30:36 AM
This thread got me wanting to go through my photos and see what I had in the way of store shelf pics... I'll put them under a spoiler tag so I don't clog the thread up too much.

Spoiler
Here are my pics from TRU in Macy's NYC, Times Square, from last July. (FWIW I went in the one at Queens Center mall too, but going off my pics, I don't think they had any ponies in stock at all.. they did have a section for them though so maybe I just came in pre-restock or something. I was kind of rushing since I got to that one like 10 mins before it closed, so yeah.)

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Not even kidding, this is the BEST selection of G5 toys I've seen since the line started. And even then there's really not that many different toys when you look at it :( Even worse variety, only THREE different characters here, or four if you count the little dragon thingy.

Compared to these pics I took in a UK Toys R Us in March 2018, before it closed down....

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I mean look, this shop was closing down, everything was being clearanced, and there's STILL more of a variety than in the 2023 photos. I just... HOW?!?! Okay granted most of this is still main 6 stuff, but even then it's still way less same-y than G5!!!

Darn.. I've made myself sad now :(
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: cowboyopossum on January 16, 2024, 07:38:15 AM
I really don't understand if it's a distribution issue or what, there's just never anything new! If you want a specific set you have to buy it online from amazon or resellers, and pay shipping costs... I miss going to stores back in the day and looking at all the different ponies they had.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: goddessofpeep on January 17, 2024, 10:28:55 AM
I think the problem is more to do with the state of Hasbro than anything else, though they did not make good decisions about MLP’s G5 from day one.  I personally thought they should have taken a break from MLP for a few years after G4 ended, and then brought the brand back with a lot of fanfare to build excitement.

Anyway, bear with me. I apologize for this getting long.

Hasbro has been in freefall for a while now, and I’m betting this is a symptom of that.   Hasbro is not doing well at all, and their leadership has been actively destroying the company with very, very bad decisions for a while now.  I keep a toe into Magic the Gathering, and about a year or so ago Hasbro tanked that entire brand. I didn’t know this, but Magic the Gathering cards were basically so profitable for Hasbro, that they were propping up the entire company.  It was basically a money printing machine for them. Unfortunately Hasbro took this as a justification to try to squeeze as much money as possible from players, so they have been making decisions designed to not only gouge players, but to keep as much money for themselves as possible(cutting out the local stores which were vital to the health if the brand).

They’ve been churning out sets at an unsustainable pace for years, cutting costs on production leading to warped cards and low quality products even from their “premium” sets, and overall just abusing their cash cow. This came to a head with the 30th anniversary set which was $1000 for 4 packs of random reprints that were only available direct from Hasbro(bypassing the game stores that basically keeps the tournament community alive and vitally bring in a steady stream of new players), and weren’t even tournament legal. The cards were reprints of cards that were on the “never to be reprinted” list, basically destroying the entire second hand market for cards as well.  A lot of people buy Magic cards for investment purposes, and Hasbro violating their “will not reprint ever” list ruined the investor/collector market for cards as well.

This did two things: it pissed off the player base so badly that the *entire* community revolted as a whole to reject the set and Hasbro as a company, and it caused hundreds of local mom & pop stores to close.  Apparently, profit margins for local game stores are razor thin, and Hasbro’s polices made it impossible for many stores to survive with the repeated bad sets and keeping the most profitable stuff to be sold exclusively through Hasbro directly.  That’s a big one since it was those mom and pop stores that ran the local tournaments and “Friday night Magic” events, and that was a huge factor in keeping the demand for cards high and bringing in new players. Hundreds of game stores went out of business due to this, and players were *pissed*.

This all came to a head a little while ago, and the community backlash was so bad that it actually tanked Hasbro’s stock price.  It was so bad, Wall Street downgraded them. 

https://www.thegamer.com/magic-the-gathering-release-fatigue-leads-to-plummeting-hasbro-stock/

Magic the Gathering was basically propping the entire company up, and kept Hasbro alive though the pandemic.  Unfortunately the same idiots that ran MLP into the ground got greedy and destroyed the brand keeping the company in the black.  Everything that Hasbro touches is affected by this. I can’t overstate how important those cards were to Hasbro’s overall health as a company. They’ve been trying to claw back from this, but they broke the community trust and destroyed the entire local game store system that drove the game’s success for 30 years, and even destroyed the collector’s market to boot. Those stores that closed are never coming back, and the new place to get cards(Amazon) is filled with scammers repacking boxes.  The 30th anniversary reprints of cards that were never supposed to be reprinted also blew a nasty hole in the secondhand/collector market, and several of the biggest online stores stopped selling loose cards.

So basically, Hasbro is run by greedy stupid people who slaughtered their cash cow for a quick buck.  This is affecting all the Hasbro brands, and they’re in panic mode.  They’re looking for quick cash, and they’re not going to be supporting anything that isn’t going to line their pockets asap. The G4 brony fad is over, so unless G5 unexpectedly suddenly takes off, I think we can expect Hasbro to cut back on releases, and for stores to cut back on orders. Odds are, what’s coming out now is stuff that’s been in the pipeline since before this all happened.  Nobody fired the greedy stupid people that did this, so they’re still in charge and as greedy and stupid as ever. Also, selling directly on Amazon is Hasbro’s new thing, so we can expect a lot more of that.  They like keeping all the profits to themselves.

The leadership at Hasbro screwed up so badly, and they didn’t learn from it.   It’s not “maybe G6 will be better”, it’s “will Hasbro still be in business to make a G6?”


 
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: ChocolateStarfire on January 17, 2024, 11:21:11 AM
I wonder if Basic Fun can buy the My Little Pony brand from Hasbro, seeing as they've just relaunched Littlest Pet Shop and are doing very well with their properties? I think that's the only way we will get ponies from now on. I don't see G5 at all except for on clearance or at clearance outlets like Ross, Marshalls, TJ Maxx and Burlington, much less the thrift stores.

I had no idea Hasbro wrecked their Magic line. Another brand that lasted for decades, ruined. And I heard they laid off a lot of people and I think closed down their Rhode Island office? Correct me if I am wrong, please.

My heart has always been with G1 ponies and it saddens me that ponies and other animal lines just don't do well (see the struggles of Cave Club, Monster High, Enchantimals, Magic Mixies, even the release of Jurassic Park, etc). I think the key to resurgence here will either be us fans joining together to save this brand from extinction or another company like Basic Fun stepping in. :(
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Carrehz on January 17, 2024, 11:43:02 AM
Holy !#@%$ I had no idea they messed up that badly with Magic. Oh geez.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Koudoawaia on January 17, 2024, 11:58:14 AM
I think the problem is more to do with the state of Hasbro than anything else, though they did not make good decisions about MLP’s G5 from day one.  I personally thought they should have taken a break from MLP for a few years after G4 ended, and then brought the brand back with a lot of fanfare to build excitement.

Anyway, bear with me. I apologize for this getting long.

Hasbro has been in freefall for a while now, and I’m betting this is a symptom of that.   Hasbro is not doing well at all, and their leadership has been actively destroying the company with very, very bad decisions for a while now.  I keep a toe into Magic the Gathering, and about a year or so ago Hasbro tanked that entire brand. I didn’t know this, but Magic the Gathering cards were basically so profitable for Hasbro, that they were propping up the entire company.  It was basically a money printing machine for them. Unfortunately Hasbro took this as a justification to try to squeeze as much money as possible from players, so they have been making decisions designed to not only gouge players, but to keep as much money for themselves as possible(cutting out the local stores which were vital to the health if the brand).

They’ve been churning out sets at an unsustainable pace for years, cutting costs on production leading to warped cards and low quality products even from their “premium” sets, and overall just abusing their cash cow. This came to a head with the 30th anniversary set which was $1000 for 4 packs of random reprints that were only available direct from Hasbro(bypassing the game stores that basically keeps the tournament community alive and vitally bring in a steady stream of new players), and weren’t even tournament legal. The cards were reprints of cards that were on the “never to be reprinted” list, basically destroying the entire second hand market for cards as well.  A lot of people buy Magic cards for investment purposes, and Hasbro violating their “will not reprint ever” list ruined the investor/collector market for cards as well.

This did two things: it pissed off the player base so badly that the *entire* community revolted as a whole to reject the set and Hasbro as a company, and it caused hundreds of local mom & pop stores to close.  Apparently, profit margins for local game stores are razor thin, and Hasbro’s polices made it impossible for many stores to survive with the repeated bad sets and keeping the most profitable stuff to be sold exclusively through Hasbro directly.  That’s a big one since it was those mom and pop stores that ran the local tournaments and “Friday night Magic” events, and that was a huge factor in keeping the demand for cards high and bringing in new players. Hundreds of game stores went out of business due to this, and players were *pissed*.

This all came to a head a little while ago, and the community backlash was so bad that it actually tanked Hasbro’s stock price.  It was so bad, Wall Street downgraded them. 

https://www.thegamer.com/magic-the-gathering-release-fatigue-leads-to-plummeting-hasbro-stock/

Magic the Gathering was basically propping the entire company up, and kept Hasbro alive though the pandemic.  Unfortunately the same idiots that ran MLP into the ground got greedy and destroyed the brand keeping the company in the black.  Everything that Hasbro touches is affected by this. I can’t overstate how important those cards were to Hasbro’s overall health as a company. They’ve been trying to claw back from this, but they broke the community trust and destroyed the entire local game store system that drove the game’s success for 30 years, and even destroyed the collector’s market to boot. Those stores that closed are never coming back, and the new place to get cards(Amazon) is filled with scammers repacking boxes.  The 30th anniversary reprints of cards that were never supposed to be reprinted also blew a nasty hole in the secondhand/collector market, and several of the biggest online stores stopped selling loose cards.

So basically, Hasbro is run by greedy stupid people who slaughtered their cash cow for a quick buck.  This is affecting all the Hasbro brands, and they’re in panic mode.  They’re looking for quick cash, and they’re not going to be supporting anything that isn’t going to line their pockets asap. The G4 brony fad is over, so unless G5 unexpectedly suddenly takes off, I think we can expect Hasbro to cut back on releases, and for stores to cut back on orders. Odds are, what’s coming out now is stuff that’s been in the pipeline since before this all happened.  Nobody fired the greedy stupid people that did this, so they’re still in charge and as greedy and stupid as ever. Also, selling directly on Amazon is Hasbro’s new thing, so we can expect a lot more of that.  They like keeping all the profits to themselves.

The leadership at Hasbro screwed up so badly, and they didn’t learn from it.   It’s not “maybe G6 will be better”, it’s “will Hasbro still be in business to make a G6?”


 

Wow. I had no idea Hasbroken had taken that nickname to such a new level with Magic the Gathering. Think this helps explain the virtually non existent pony sections. x.o
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 17, 2024, 12:53:10 PM
Wow. I didn't know they screwed themselves over that badly goddessofpeep? What a complete disaster! I don't think hasbroken is quite licked, as they haven't tried to completely screw over transformers fans (yet), but it explains why they're still trying to recover from something other then the pandemic. And that they're still shooting themselves in the foot enthusiastically.

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I wonder if Basic Fun can buy the My Little Pony brand from Hasbro, seeing as they've just relaunched Littlest Pet Shop and are doing very well with their properties? I think that's the only way we will get ponies from now on. I don't see G5 at all except for on clearance or at clearance outlets like Ross, Marshalls, TJ Maxx and Burlington, much less the thrift stores.

I had no idea Hasbro wrecked their Magic line. Another brand that lasted for decades, ruined. And I heard they laid off a lot of people and I think closed down their Rhode Island office? Correct me if I am wrong, please.

My heart has always been with G1 ponies and it saddens me that ponies and other animal lines just don't do well (see the struggles of Cave Club, Monster High, Enchantimals, Magic Mixies, even the release of Jurassic Park, etc). I think the key to resurgence here will either be us fans joining together to save this brand from extinction or another company like Basic Fun stepping in. :(


BF is too small of a company to buy such a long lived legacy brand. At least we have it, and HQG1C.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: goddessofpeep on January 17, 2024, 02:23:24 PM
Yeah, for a few weeks, Hasbro’s stock freefall was all over the news.  It was nuts.  It was so bad, Bank of America downgraded them to “underperforming” and a poor investment risk.  They slightly improved with a few big releases since then, but they’re still not out of the hole. 

I’m not really into Magic that much anymore, but I buy a bit here and there for nostalgia sake, and I keep an ear open.  It all went down about a year or so ago, but apparently the general community has been complaining for years about too many sets, too fast, bad quality cards, too many types of releases, too expensive cards, cards that warp straight out of the pack, smell bad, etc.

I knew the mess would ripple through the rest of the lines, it was only a matter of time. And I figured a lot of the choices they made for Magic would also start showing up for MLP in some form or another.

A few of the things they did:
1) Released sets too close together for even the most hard core players to keep up just to keep a constant flow of money going.

2) Due to the breakneck speed of releases, the cards were frequently just not great for the game, so basically substandard cards design-wise.

3) They cut manufacturing costs the bone, resulting in poor quality cards that were damaged right out of the pack.  And this was while they were making record profits. They didn’t need to reduce costs(and how much can it cost to manufacture playing cards really), they just wanted to maximize profit, and the customers can go screw themselves.

4) They reprinted cards that were on the “Reserve List” which has existed since like 1995. The Reserve List was create to preserve the collector’s market as some cards on it can sell for $10,0000-$100,000+.  They did this AFTER one of the main people behind Magic swore they wouldn’t be reprinting any reserve list cards, so now nobody believes a damn word anyone says.

5) As a “celebration” of 30 years of Magic, they made the Collector’s Set that was a reprint of the first set of Magic. They sold it as a “box” of 4 packs for $1000. The cards were random, so you were most likely going to get crap(only 9 cards in the set were really worth the price, and only if you could actually use them).  They were only available directly through Hasbro, bypassing the local gaming stores and other online retailers completely. And this was the ONLY 30th anniversary “celebration” they did.  If you couldn’t cough up for the $1000 box, no celebration for you.  If you wanted to get a complete set, you were probably  looking at $100,000+ to assemble it from the random packs.  The whole thing was a giant middle finger to their customers and retailers.

6) They started to create an unending stream of “Secret Lair” releases - reprints of non-reserved cards with new art, available only from Hasbro directly and at crazy prices(usually $50-$200 for 3-10 cards).
 
7) They started to not only bypass local gaming stores for the big(profitable) releases, but they started to randomly dump product on Amazon for the rest of it.  A game store has to pay for the product regardless if it sells, and the profit margin is already slim.  If Hasbro is randomly dumping stuff on Amazon for below the cost of what the game store pays for product, they can’t stay in business.

8) They turn a blind eye to the myriad of scammers selling opened packs/repacks on Amazon, and don’t really invest in fraud deterrents so you never really know if you’re going to get scammed.

9) They got rid of the “manufacturer’s suggested retail” price so they could charge whatever they want for each set, and then started releasing all sorts of different packaging versions at different price points for every set. All the best cards were always in the Collectors packs which usually retailed for $25-$35 a pack.

10) They released multiple versions of each card in every set, making it nearly impossible to keep track of things and basically ruining the whole chase card concept for almost everything.

Basically in the last few years Hasbro tried to use their customer base as cash machines in any and every way they could think of, destroyed the local gaming businesses and communities that kept their brand going and brought in new customers, “celebrated” their 30 year anniversary with a product that was a giant middle finger to customers and hastened the demise of hundreds of local gaming stores, allowed fraud to run rampant, destabilized the entire single card market,  and repeatedly and blatantly lied to its customers. 

They are currently attempting to “fix” things, but it’s not enough and they still haven’t really learned. 
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Flitter on January 17, 2024, 02:30:14 PM
Reading Hasbro's investor reports and presentations is disheartening. They pretty much read like "This IP failed so we are abandoning it and focusing everything on the 2-3 brands we did have success with last year." They seem to be oblivious or purposely omitting taking responsibility on how they messed up MLP so badly and why it didn't carry on popularity. I'm hoping for a reboot in a few years and that they learn from their mistakes.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on January 18, 2024, 07:50:56 AM
Goddessofpeep is on point with everything. Hasbro has messed up hard, and the contrast with Mattel's success makes it even more painful.

Being a publicly listed company is a delicate cord to balance on... When the primary focus is on the satisfaction of the stockholders, costs get cut down (both in design and quality) left and right to keep the margin as big as possible. It can be the start of a hard decline, as we now see...

That stranglehold of stockholders is the reason why Hasbro can't possibly do with G1 MLP what Basic Fun is doing; BF doesn't have any stockholders breathing down their neck. They are more free to focus on quality and can afford to be content with a lesser profit margin that keeps to company going, contrary to Hasbro.

What's even worse about Hasbro's current state is that 1100 employees will be sacked because of it.

I wouldn't mind if BF started a brand of pony figures all by itself to fill the pony void; too bad it wouldn't be called MLP, but I'm sure the quality would be much better than whatever Hasbro keeps cooking up.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on January 18, 2024, 07:32:41 PM
The Walmart I go to has had no ponies since... October? Maybe September? I just know it was a good while before Holiday stuff.

I haven't checked the other Walmart nor Target yet but I have a feeling at least the other Walmart will not have much in the way of ponies.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Snapdragon on January 18, 2024, 10:23:11 PM
Wow... I'd heard some rumblings about MTG, but I never knew just how bad it was, Goddessofpeep. Thank you for the info! But also: very yikes, to all of that.

I knew (from The Toys That Made Us special) that Hasbro was/is almost exclusively a 'boys toy' company, and TBH I feel like MLP in the 80s succeeded somehow despite that delusional mindset. I know we got MLP:FiM getting as popular as it did because it tried to appeal to 'everyone' (and I won't address the debacle that the fandom descended into LOL), but I can see how easily Hasbro has dropped any significant effort from the G5 line. They're finally doing something for the G1 anniversary stuff, but it feels more like it's because nostalgia is such a big craze right now, and not out of any internal interest to do more for MLP, LOL. I do worry that MLP will be one of their first lines to sacrifice when it comes to trying to save the sinking ship, but we'll have to wait and see, I guess.

Still, like someone else mentioned, it's so sad to see the downright meteoric rise of Mattel right now, and look at MLP and wonder what a Mattel MLP line would be like, LOL. Although Barbie quality has been on a downward trend for years (overpriced collector dolls, falsely inflated market price, etc. etc.) there's no denying that they have a massive line of playline toys available at any given time, in almost any store you go to.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on January 19, 2024, 04:01:04 PM

I knew (from The Toys That Made Us special) that Hasbro was/is almost exclusively a 'boys toy' company, and TBH I feel like MLP in the 80s succeeded somehow despite that delusional mindset.

Hasbro was rolling in enough money from GI Joe and the "boy toys" to have a girls' side of the company.  And basically they existed to be a competition to whatever Mattel was doing at the time.  That's why they bought other companies to bring them under the Hasbro umbrella.

it's exactly what MGA is doing with Mattel right now
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on January 20, 2024, 10:32:48 AM
The toys for MLP they're producing right now are, well...I can't be the only one who things they're gaudy and ugly. Sorry if it offends anyone who likes them but they just look so non-pony like to me. The shape of the head, the way the body meets with the neck/head, the weird shape and just overall aesthetic. The colors are very harsh and, some of the color combos are terrible together. I'm not sure when they're going to stop putting orange and harsh pink together but I hope it's soon.

The horrible unhuggable hard plastic and frankenstein mish mash of body parts that do weird functions is just off putting for me as an adult, I'm not sure what it is for little kids. I have no children to know if kids like these ponies. I guess the small barely visible section is stores gives a hint to that.

Ponies were supposed to be lovable, cuddly and cute. If I wanted to hug a clunky looking robot I'd buy a transformer...

 
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on January 20, 2024, 05:00:02 PM
The sad thing about this is also the deterioration of customer service.
Spoiler

In 1995 I had an ongoing correspondance with a lovely lady at Hasbro UK's customer service department. She's the one who provided me with the list of ponies Hasbro had a record for in the UK (it is incomplete but must have  been typed up from catalogues by her or someone else in the office!) and a couple of photocopies. I was also able to buy a couple of ponies direct from them at the end of the line. She was a nice person who responded like a person.

...Flash forward to the most recent releases and when I emailed customer services in the UK again to ask about the BF ponies. The response really didn't answer my question, and when it did, they were all dismissive like, this is nothing to do with us, go ask BF.

...Then of course the BF ponies took off and suddenly Hasbro were trying to do retro, except I'm sorry, their idea of retro (releasing the M6 in moulds that aren't really G1ish at all and putting a bunch on the site about the collector ponies being the original M6, which is garbage)...it didn't really work for me.

G4 was run into the ground by a multitude of poor quality, repetitive releases which appeared at carboot sales while still in stores.

G5's three big mistakes were a: staying in Equestria because it meant G4 crossover sales junk, even though G4 was worn to the bone, b: the designs for the ponies/their faces and c: the lack of character variety. All things which made G1 important and special have now been lost. G5 is not offensive but it isn't groundbreaking. I don't like MH's reboot much either, but it's better handled than G5 in my opinion, just with regard to variety, media, target audience etc. (And this is in spite of how angry I am about Ghoulia, which is saying something).

I'm not mad about the obsession with segregating species and then bringing them together, either, it's cliche and hackneyed. I never bought into G1's fixation with de-magicking earth ponies in US media releases, since in the UK ponies had magic regardless of their species and I liked that better. The factfile states Magic Star is the most magical pony of all of them, so yeah.

 Maybe because I grew up with it, but I feel like it's not very progressive, having a world in which x type of pony can only do x. It's not quite as strangling as 'your cutie mark destiny', but it isn't great.

Reality isn't like that. I will never understand why Earth ponies should not have magic as an option by default.

So yeah, back to local stores. It's not very hopeful. Even looking at your pics, Carrehz, there's not a massive amount of variety.

Unpopular opinion, too, but I am ok with MLP ending with G5. I feel like we already had 2 generations too many, given the chaos of G4 and then this. MLP doesn't need to be constantly trampled down by repetitive overselling of the same characters. If MLP disappeared completely, well, so what? Those of us who grew up with G1 survived that and we're still surviving it. Will it really make a huge difference if ponies stop being sold? The ones most of us grew up with (G1 or G3 included) haven't been on shelves for years but we're still here for them...
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: kestral_kitsune on January 20, 2024, 08:14:25 PM
my local walmart hasn't had a pony section in ??? 2 years i believe we might have had a shelf of them but taht was it.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: goddessofpeep on January 21, 2024, 03:12:38 PM
I personally thought Hasbro should have killed MLP at the end of G4, and then brought it back in a few years with a lot of fanfare. Ponies had technically been on shelves somewhere since 1997(in some places G2 and G3 had overlapped). Everyone was exhausted.   

The G4 line had some serious baggage, and giving it a few years would probably clear out the most toxic elements of the whole brony thing as they found something else to befoul.  The end of a line is almost always preceded by wave after wave of crap releases, and by the time Hasbro finally pulls the plug, there is no excitement from any segment of their customer base.  Everyone is bored, and rebooting into that just makes the next generation feel like a crappy extension of the previous dying line. It would also give Hasbro time to work on the next line so it’s actually…good, and it would give time to build some hype and excitement for the new line.

But stupid and greedy won the day, and I’m betting that the thought process was along the lines of “the bronies aren’t buying as much, let’s push out something new ASAP so we can pump more money out of them”. 

The G5 line came out too close to G4, and it inherited the apathy that came with years of disappointing releases, and the toxic fanbase issues of the G4s.  It was probably rushed, so it wasn’t really well thought out.  It kept the bad quality toys, boring repetitive characters, and overall issues from the G4s.  It started out poorly, and with the other issues the company as whole are dealing with, it really never had a chance. The pandemic and the closure of TRU didn’t do it any favors either. But a well run company would be able to turn it around. 

Hasbro was doing crazy well for a while. They were the number one toy maker in the world. It wasn’t even close.  They had their own cable network (The HUB). They had a huge movie franchise(Transformers). They had several high value toy lines. MTG was a money printing machine.  They had it all, and flushed it down the toilet.

It always boggles my mind that the people who make these decisions get millions and millions of dollars to do this. They even go to school for it!  These people have degrees in business!  They still seem to lack even the most basic understanding of their customers or the product.  Or they just ignore them in favor of squeaking a few extra dollars for the quarter’s bottom line. No thought for tomorrow or next year, just squeeze a few extra bucks for the shareholders and to get that sweet, sweet executive bonus for the year.



Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Koudoawaia on January 22, 2024, 04:48:56 PM
I honestly thought it was weird new G4 merchandise was coming out after G5 started.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Kitcatepic on January 22, 2024, 05:28:53 PM
I went to the mall today and checked out a toystore I don't remember the name of on top of the typical g5 stuff they had the movie set with rarity and capper and some of the articulated ponies from explore equstria I don't know how they have this old stock but it was cool to see
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Koudoawaia on January 23, 2024, 03:58:23 PM
That's pretty cool even if it is weird all this time later. I have the Rarity and Capper set^^
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on January 24, 2024, 10:24:25 AM
I personally thought Hasbro should have killed MLP at the end of G4, and then brought it back in a few years with a lot of fanfare. Ponies had technically been on shelves somewhere since 1997(in some places G2 and G3 had overlapped). Everyone was exhausted.   

The G4 line had some serious baggage, and giving it a few years would probably clear out the most toxic elements of the whole brony thing as they found something else to befoul.  The end of a line is almost always preceded by wave after wave of crap releases, and by the time Hasbro finally pulls the plug, there is no excitement from any segment of their customer base.  Everyone is bored, and rebooting into that just makes the next generation feel like a crappy extension of the previous dying line. It would also give Hasbro time to work on the next line so it’s actually…good, and it would give time to build some hype and excitement for the new line.

But stupid and greedy won the day, and I’m betting that the thought process was along the lines of “the bronies aren’t buying as much, let’s push out something new ASAP so we can pump more money out of them”. 

The G5 line came out too close to G4, and it inherited the apathy that came with years of disappointing releases, and the toxic fanbase issues of the G4s.  It was probably rushed, so it wasn’t really well thought out.  It kept the bad quality toys, boring repetitive characters, and overall issues from the G4s.  It started out poorly, and with the other issues the company as whole are dealing with, it really never had a chance. The pandemic and the closure of TRU didn’t do it any favors either. But a well run company would be able to turn it around. 

Hasbro was doing crazy well for a while. They were the number one toy maker in the world. It wasn’t even close.  They had their own cable network (The HUB). They had a huge movie franchise(Transformers). They had several high value toy lines. MTG was a money printing machine.  They had it all, and flushed it down the toilet.

It always boggles my mind that the people who make these decisions get millions and millions of dollars to do this. They even go to school for it!  These people have degrees in business!  They still seem to lack even the most basic understanding of their customers or the product.  Or they just ignore them in favor of squeaking a few extra dollars for the quarter’s bottom line. No thought for tomorrow or next year, just squeeze a few extra bucks for the shareholders and to get that sweet, sweet executive bonus for the year.

Yeah, I definitely think they needed to take a break between G4 and G5. MLP really hasn't had a real break ever since G2 began. There was a hiatus between G1 ending and G2 beginning, but ever since G2 started, there has more or less been a constant production of MLP toys. Sure, here in the US there was a gap between G2 ad G3 since G2 performed so poorly here that they stopped selling them, but of course they still continued to be produced regardless, and just were limited to Europe for the remaining time. But G2s were releasing all the way up through 2003 when then G3 replaced that. G3 led straight into G4 with G3.5 being between those. G4 led into the gap generation of G4.5 with the cat-ponies, and then G5 right after... we really needed a break haha. Non-stop ponies ever since 1997.

With how massive and successful G4 was, and with the whole erm, brony thing, a break to give the franchise a complete reset would have been nice. Similar to the break between G1 and G2...
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Carrehz on January 24, 2024, 11:06:17 AM
So yeah, back to local stores. It's not very hopeful. Even looking at your pics, Carrehz, there's not a massive amount of variety.

Honestly, the most variety I've seen in the last few years has been in Forbidden Planets with a good stock of Basic Funs :/ I really wish more shops would stock those since most of them seem to sell FAST... compared to the endless parade of Sunnys (Sunnies?) and Izzys that warm up the shelves for months on end.....
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: SnorkMaiden on January 26, 2024, 01:17:28 AM
I've not been to a lot of toy stores in recent years, but when I go, it's always the same picture, whether it's in Belgium, Germany or the UK: Large stores will have some MLP stuff, though you always have to search for it and it's often a wild mixture of older and newer items (which can be quite nice, depending on what you're looking for, but it shows that the stores don't care what they put on the shelves). Small stores with limited shelf space tend not to have MLP at all anymore. It's just not a big seller, I suppose.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 28, 2024, 08:33:39 PM
Hasbro and in particular CEO Chris P. Cocks' stupidity has also lead to sales-killing price-gouging on brands like Transformers that's hurting those brands as well. And I bet the idiot has a golden parachute clause in his contract, too; it would explain why the shareholders haven't fired him in order to stop him from continuing to undercut their value with his idiocy.

Regarding G5... I think starting it up so soon after G4 ended could still have worked.
IF it had been the clean break in narrative and design that it actually needed to be. G4 was exhausted on every level, and retailers and customers alike were exhausted of it and its poorly-balanced assortments.
MLP needed a new setting and a substantial change in aesthetic (like, say, reverting to something more horse-like) that would have actually felt like a new start.
But noooooo, the idiots in charge couldn't bring themselves to fully let go of G4, and so the line basically looks and feels like more of the same thing they were already sick of to retailers.
And wasn't there also a long delay between the movie coming out and the show debuting?

I'm not mad about the obsession with segregating species and then bringing them together, either, it's cliche and hackneyed.
Indeed.

Quote from: Taffeta
I never bought into G1's fixation with de-magicking earth ponies in US media releases, since in the UK ponies had magic regardless of their species and I liked that better. The factfile states Magic Star is the most magical pony of all of them, so yeah.
In fairness, "My Little Pony and Friends" toned down everybody's magical capabilities compared to the backcard stories. Individual unicorns don't have much variety to what they can do with their magic in that, and the only special thing pegasi can do is fly (although that did make them the cartoon's favorite since the cartoon loved to travel to various locations).
The show does at least make clear that Earth Ponies are still inherently magical - otherwise, their hair wouldn't have been much use in repairing Porcina's cloak.

Quote from: Taffeta
Maybe because I grew up with it, but I feel like it's not very progressive, having a world in which x type of pony can only do x. It's not quite as strangling as 'your cutie mark destiny', but it isn't great.
How do you feel about G4 giving pegasi weather magic to go with them flying?

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Reality isn't like that. I will never understand why Earth ponies should not have magic as an option by default.
I think a lot of people tend to see them as the "normals" of the setting because they're the closest to IRL horses and don't have obvious supernatural features like wings or horns. Hasbro themselves seem to have felt that way in G3 (and it obviously took arm-twisting to get pegasi and unicorns added to the line at all).

Quote from: Taffeta
Unpopular opinion, too, but I am ok with MLP ending with G5. I feel like we already had 2 generations too many, given the chaos of G4 and then this. MLP doesn't need to be constantly trampled down by repetitive overselling of the same characters. If MLP disappeared completely, well, so what? Those of us who grew up with G1 survived that and we're still surviving it. Will it really make a huge difference if ponies stop being sold? The ones most of us grew up with (G1 or G3 included) haven't been on shelves for years but we're still here for them...
I mean, it will make it harder to share MLP with future generations if it ends, and probably kill throwback stuff like Basic Fun reissues that make getting G1 stuff more accessible for those who didn't grow up with it.

At this rate, maybe it would be better if Hasbro imploded and Takara-Tomy picked up the pieces.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on January 29, 2024, 11:34:27 AM
It's not just the G1 animation that demagicks ponies, though. There are a couple of spoken word cassettes - the one with Glory being dragged into a 'magical world' from ponyland is one, although the 'magical world' is basically what most kids over here grew up with as the standard world the ponies lived in. And there's Ember's Dream with the guy in New York. It's a lot more grounded in real than the lore over here was, not just in the animation.

Though it is true about the backcard stories. The irony is that many of those story concepts played out in the UK comics, even when the ponies had different or no backcard story here (eg Shady's magic sunglasses concept comes from the US backcard originally).

In the UK comic stories there were no generic species powers, each pony who had magic had something individual to them, although not every pony had magic...it wasn't split between species, either.

The G4 pegasus ponies having weather magic is generic, just like the unicorns winking in and out in the G1 animation. Though G1 unicorns did sometimes have unique magic, like Gusty and Fizzy, which was nice.

I can see the point about the earth ponies being like 'normal horses' to kids, but they weren't ever presented like that in the stories here, so I guess I never saw them that way. Maybe kids involved in horses did. I had a horse mad friend as a kid but I don't remember her trying to connect the ponies with her riding...just that she liked them because she liked horses and stuff.

In any case, having grown up with magic being spread in a more egalitarian way between the species, I'm always left disappointed by the more pragmatic approach. It's not wrong, I just think it's a shame. I can think of lots of earth and pegasus ponies who had decent tricks that added to stories and occasionally caused confusion. I can think of a few earth ponies who could fly, too. I just don't see the need to put ponies in categories and limit them according to species. It's that idea of knowing your place that I just can't get on board with.

Also, does it matter if future generations don't get to share MLP? Looking at where it is now, is that really something we want to share with the future? Is it really okay for it just to be there for the sake of keeping the brand alive, even when the soul has long since been sucked out of it? Personally, I'm okay with it fading into the past. I've never loved the hype G4 brought into the pony collecting world.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 29, 2024, 07:27:40 PM
I don't think a "knowing your place" idea was really intended...

Also, does it matter if future generations don't get to share MLP? Looking at where it is now, is that really something we want to share with the future? Is it really okay for it just to be there for the sake of keeping the brand alive, even when the soul has long since been sucked out of it? Personally, I'm okay with it fading into the past. I've never loved the hype G4 brought into the pony collecting world.
1. There's always the chance for the soul to return
2. It was the hype from G4 that finally nudged me into actually checking out MLP. And that in turn led to me checking out and falling in love with G1, and meeting the wonderful communities here and on the Trading Post.
I feel kinda unwelcome now...
 :sad:
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on January 30, 2024, 03:23:23 AM
I don't think a "knowing your place" idea was really intended...
Also, does it matter if future generations don't get to share MLP? Looking at where it is now, is that really something we want to share with the future? Is it really okay for it just to be there for the sake of keeping the brand alive, even when the soul has long since been sucked out of it? Personally, I'm okay with it fading into the past. I've never loved the hype G4 brought into the pony collecting world.
1. There's always the chance for the soul to return
2. It was the hype from G4 that finally nudged me into actually checking out MLP. And that in turn led to me checking out and falling in love with G1, and meeting the wonderful communities here and on the Trading Post.
I feel kinda unwelcome now...
 :sad:

Don't be silly.

 It's pretty obvious that the hype train I'm talking about was the media chaos, the brony explosion, the meme culture and the influx of people whose behaviour damaged the reputation of pony collectors for a long time to come. Whether you like it or not, G4's fandom became infested with people whose sole purpose in life is to make other people miserable on social media - and Hasbro marketed towards those people, at the expense of their real audience, which was the kids. The moment MLP stopped being about kids first and foremost, it died

Having seen and experienced the bad side of the G4 fandom, I think I'm entitled to say that I disliked what that hype brought. You would have to be completely oblivious to that impact in order to think my comments were targeting any actual fans, whether they be old or new.

Please don't twist my words into something I didn't say. Nobody is making anyone unwelcome.

With regards to the other point, does it matter if that was or wasn't the intention when it is the final outcome? Earth ponies do earth pony things. Pegasus ponies do flying things. Unicorn ponies do magicky things. Is that not being categorised into x y and z?

It's unfair to quote that one line without the context I gave it, of how the comic and characters were rendered in the UK and why I feel that jolt. The reality is that when you grow up with a 'ponyland' where the pony species had no impact whatsoever on what they could do, it makes it much more noticeable when ponies are pigeonholed into 'species' in other representations.

Going back to that, I think it is interesting that the backcards the US had often informed the UK stories, and that the US often had more detailed backcard stories than the UK (at least early on), but didn't really use them at all. The thing I mentioned about Magic Star being the most magical pony in ponyland comes from the fact file. But I think it's based loosely on Magic Star's card story in the US. Magic Star doesn't have a backcard story in the UK, because the Movie Star ponies only have a brief one sentence on the backs of their cards for each of them. It's a lovely card but useless for really learning about the ponies. In fact, the one lines there are more in keeping with the actual movie representation.

So there's this beautiful irony whereby ponies like Shady and Magic Star have proper backcard stories in the US (albeit they're SS ponies), that story is then disregarded by the US and used in the UK comics. But Hasbro UK, when promoting our versions of those ponies, connects them to the movie, and thus removes those characterisations that the original backcards (and comics) laid out.

All of that probably ought to be  on the Hasbro's Baffling Decisions thread, because it is nuts, but it's also pretty interesting that it happened like that. It does give the feeling of multiple different narratives around G1 (backcards, comics, animation) and that they didn't necessarily mesh with what else was going on in the same location.

In the comic and annual stories, Magic Star could grant wishes. Later on, so could Rainbow Magic, a pegasus pony. But even some of the boy ponies had magic skills. I remember Ice Crystal making ice slides in the 1988 annual. I also am pretty sure Lightning could wink in and out like a lightning flash.

And Baby Lucky had a lot of happy-go-lucky magic going on, which included the random ability to bring drawings of the newborn twins to life.

Compared to that, the "Unicorns do magic, pegasus ponies fly, earth ponies are just ponies" rhetoric just jars with me. It genuinely feels like 'everyone in their place', because it is decided by a pony's species. In the case of pegasi and weather magic, it also feel generic, not individual. And G4 made that even firmer with the cutie marks and their destined meaning. G5 have also not moved away from the idea...although Sunny does break the mould a bit, it's not the same thing.

Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on January 30, 2024, 10:28:43 AM
I always thought G1 earthlings stood out because of their physical strength; developed because they don't have magic or flight to rely on? In the 80s movie, Magic Star was able to jump the big chasm in the field of sunflowers, and Fizzy couldn't - saying she has her unicorn power to help her across (something like that).

Unicorns - magic
Pegasi - flight
Earthlings - strength

Seemed fair to me :)

I also liked how the unicorns' magic talent was pony-specific, instead of what G4 gave us.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 30, 2024, 03:55:22 PM
I don't think a "knowing your place" idea was really intended...
Also, does it matter if future generations don't get to share MLP? Looking at where it is now, is that really something we want to share with the future? Is it really okay for it just to be there for the sake of keeping the brand alive, even when the soul has long since been sucked out of it? Personally, I'm okay with it fading into the past. I've never loved the hype G4 brought into the pony collecting world.
1. There's always the chance for the soul to return
2. It was the hype from G4 that finally nudged me into actually checking out MLP. And that in turn led to me checking out and falling in love with G1, and meeting the wonderful communities here and on the Trading Post.
I feel kinda unwelcome now...
 :sad:

Don't be silly.

 It's pretty obvious that the hype train I'm talking about was the media chaos, the brony explosion, the meme culture and the influx of people whose behaviour damaged the reputation of pony collectors for a long time to come.
That same explosion is what drew me in back in 2011, via a friend who got into it. If it wasn't for that, I might never have met y'all - nor some of my other very close friends. I'm not happy about all the toxicity that hype ultimately brought, but it kinda felt like you were writing off everyone who came on board because of the excitement.

Quote from: Taffeta
Whether you like it or not, G4's fandom became infested with people whose sole purpose in life is to make other people miserable on social media - and Hasbro marketed towards those people, at the expense of their real audience, which was the kids. The moment MLP stopped being about kids first and foremost, it died

Having seen and experienced the bad side of the G4 fandom, I think I'm entitled to say that I disliked what that hype brought. You would have to be completely oblivious to that impact in order to think my comments were targeting any actual fans, whether they be old or new.
I saw and experienced the bad side of the G4 fandom as well. I tried to get them to be better about how they acted towards people and how they viewed previous generations, but I doubt I achieved much. There are reasons I abandoned any brony spaces aside from Tumblr, and even that's gone inactive for me for various reasons.

Quote from: Taffeta
Please don't twist my words into something I didn't say. Nobody is making anyone unwelcome.
The thing is, together with something else you said...

Unpopular opinion, too, but I am ok with MLP ending with G5. I feel like we already had 2 generations too many, given the chaos of G4 and then this. MLP doesn't need to be constantly trampled down by repetitive overselling of the same characters. If MLP disappeared completely, well, so what? Those of us who grew up with G1 survived that and we're still surviving it. Will it really make a huge difference if ponies stop being sold? The ones most of us grew up with (G1 or G3 included) haven't been on shelves for years but we're still here for them...
...It kinda feels like you're writing off people who grew up with G4 or didn't come on board til G4. And almost like you're wishing people who grew up with G1 through G3 had gotten to keep MLP all to themselves.

Quote from: Taffeta
With regards to the other point, does it matter if that was or wasn't the intention when it is the final outcome? Earth ponies do earth pony things. Pegasus ponies do flying things. Unicorn ponies do magicky things. Is that not being categorised into x y and z?

It's unfair to quote that one line without the context I gave it, of how the comic and characters were rendered in the UK and why I feel that jolt. The reality is that when you grow up with a 'ponyland' where the pony species had no impact whatsoever on what they could do, it makes it much more noticeable when ponies are pigeonholed into 'species' in other representations.
1. I was responding in passing because I was sad and tired and mainly concentrating on the other thing.
2. I do understand why you feel that jolt. It's very different from what you were used to growing up.
3. On further reflection, I realized a bit of a wrinkle to this. The backcard stories (and the media they influenced) did attribute magic to Earth Ponies... but only if they were from a special set like the Rainbow Ponies, the So-Soft Ponies (excluding rereleases), etc. So for instance, Parasol has magic (mentioned on both her backcard and Posey's), but "plain" Earth Ponies like the Original Six, Applejack, Bubbles, Tootsie... They got nothing, and I don't think the comics attributed any to them either. The one exception to this is Lickety-Split, whose backcard describes her as turning mountains to ice cream(!) by kicking her heels. But she's an anomaly. None of the other "plain" Earth ponies get anything like that - only the ones from special sets, to make them seem more special.

Of course, by Year Four they had stopped producing "plain" Earth Ponies (at least as far as the US went) and everybody was from a special set.

Quote from: Taffeta
Going back to that, I think it is interesting that the backcards the US had often informed the UK stories, and that the US often had more detailed backcard stories than the UK (at least early on), but didn't really use them at all. The thing I mentioned about Magic Star being the most magical pony in ponyland comes from the fact file. But I think it's based loosely on Magic Star's card story in the US.
As far as the UK media using the backcard stories goes... the UK backcard stories were all cut down (probably to prepare a shortened version that could be translated multiple times over for the continental release), but Hasbro would have still had the original full-length versions on file to provide to people producing fiction. And of course, comics and the like have much shorter turnaround.
As far as the US media not using them... Well, in the cartoon's case that can probably be attributed in part to when it started. The original specials (which set a bit of a pattern for how the rest was written) were created at a time when they didn't offer much characterization and said little about specific powers for most ponies. When it comes to the movie and series, production lead time (IE, needing to get production rolling before any backcard story was even available) and the action-adventure focus may also have been factors. Also characters' limited screentime from the need to hawk as many toys with the show as possible.
My headcanon is that at least some of the backcard abilities do still exist in the cartoon's universe (since it doesn't outright preclude them in most cases), and just never came up in the events the cartoon showed.

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Magic Star doesn't have a backcard story in the UK, because the Movie Star ponies only have a brief one sentence on the backs of their cards for each of them. It's a lovely card but useless for really learning about the ponies. In fact, the one lines there are more in keeping with the actual movie representation.

So there's this beautiful irony whereby ponies like Shady and Magic Star have proper backcard stories in the US (albeit they're SS ponies), that story is then disregarded by the US and used in the UK comics. But Hasbro UK, when promoting our versions of those ponies, connects them to the movie, and thus removes those characterisations that the original backcards (and comics) laid out.
That probably has to do with Hasbro UK trying to give the movie a little extra promotion since it was a big expensive project, the UK releases coming later, and those characters not being part of special sets like they were in the US.

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All of that probably ought to be  on the Hasbro's Baffling Decisions thread, because it is nuts, but it's also pretty interesting that it happened like that. It does give the feeling of multiple different narratives around G1 (backcards, comics, animation) and that they didn't necessarily mesh with what else was going on in the same location.
Transformers G1 had a similar disconnect, although to a lesser degree.

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In the comic and annual stories, Magic Star could grant wishes. Later on, so could Rainbow Magic, a pegasus pony. But even some of the boy ponies had magic skills. I remember Ice Crystal making ice slides in the 1988 annual. I also am pretty sure Lightning could wink in and out like a lightning flash.

And Baby Lucky had a lot of happy-go-lucky magic going on, which included the random ability to bring drawings of the newborn twins to life.
1. Mind you, a lot of those never even got a chance to appear in the cartoon (and some - like the second set of stallions - were UK-only), so we never got to see what it would or wouldn't have done with them.
2. Who's "Rainbow Magic"? Are they a fiction-exclusive character? I've found an issue by that name, but not a pony.

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Compared to that, the "Unicorns do magic, pegasus ponies fly, earth ponies are just ponies" rhetoric just jars with me. It genuinely feels like 'everyone in their place', because it is decided by a pony's species. In the case of pegasi and weather magic, it also feel generic, not individual. And G4 made that even firmer with the cutie marks and their destined meaning. G5 have also not moved away from the idea...although Sunny does break the mould a bit, it's not the same thing.

1. Regarding cutie marks, they never felt to me like a prescriptive "destiny" so much as representing something a pony truly resonates with and feels a calling toward or has a special talent in doing. And they were an effort to try and make the symbols more special.
2. I get more of a sense of "different species are special in different ways/channel magic in different ways" (and hey, weather magic gives pegasus ponies more to do than just fly) or at least an attempt at such, although it's at best underdeveloped with Earth Ponies.
3. G4 does still give ponies their own unique specialties in addition to general species powers.
4. What would you do to balance things so that you don't have the opposite extreme, where a pony's species adds nothing special to them whatsoever?
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on January 30, 2024, 05:15:50 PM
I mentioned G1 and G3 for two reasons - one, that collectors of G1 and G3 represent the majority of people in this community (yourself included), and two, that they are two collecting pony fandom groups whose generation has long since ended but whose support and interest has endured regardless. G4 ended far too recently and is far too entwined with G5 to say that about. We all know G4 ended in chaos and you agreed yourself that G5 needed to be a complete, reboot, right? G1 ended in 1995. G3 in 2011. Yet those fans are all still here regardless. (I didn't cite G2 simply because the fandom is smaller and usually alongside G1 or G3).

What that has to do with fans who came in with G4, I'm not sure. I never said or implied anything against fans who came in with G4, or G4 fans. I also didn't differentiate between G1 fans who were here before or after G4, as you imply. I only mentioned the chaos, because that's all I was talking about.

Again, please don't twist my words into something they are not.

Back on topic.

Probably not for Lickety, but there is Tootsie's Pollipop Latch. That comes from her US backcard, and although it wasn't used on her UK card, it did feature in the fact file. It also featured heavily in the comics as Tootsie's weird magical ability, which she often used consciously to grow lollipops for the babies.

While it's true that the cards are from SS ponies, too, in a UK context Shady and Magic Star both count as 'normal' release ponies. There's also Snowflake, although you can see hers as either magic or artistry.

At the same time, while Powder and Twilight had magic, I don't remember either Sunbeam or Skyflier being especially magical in the comic. In fact, as a kid, I took against Sunbeam because she 'just threw parties' as opposed to doing something more interesting, LOL. Medley had magic but Firefly was just a daredevil (and often reckless). So the magic was scattered between ponies, but not by species, even right back in the early days.

There is no comic prior to 1985, and no stories here really pre-1984, so it's hard to talk about the ponies that came before that. Only Cotton Candy and Blossom made it into the comics because of their re-release...and mostly it was Blossom chasing Cotton Candy out of her garden iirc.

Rainbow Magic is the pegasus from the Rainbow Curl set. That is her name over here.

Edit: Coming back to this this afternoon I realised that I didn't respond to your last points. It may sound odd but I don't really care if species are distinguished from one another. Probably this is a product of that childhood where it was more about the personality and the magic, but I think it's also because I'm not really on board with that categorising thing of "this is a unicorn" "this is an earth pony" "this is a pegasus" because of shared characteristics. Powder and Snowflake have far more in common than Medley and Heart Throb. And I'm okay with that. :/


We should really get this discussion back to the subject of dwindling store shelves, though. All I think this latter discussion has demonstrated was that G1 had a lot more effort put in (wherever and whatever level) to create characters and lure kids in, whereas now they rely a lot more on digital/outside media (even though blatantly toy-promoting tv shows are no longer allowed in the way they once were).
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on January 31, 2024, 07:17:32 AM
I don't think a "knowing your place" idea was really intended...

Also, does it matter if future generations don't get to share MLP? Looking at where it is now, is that really something we want to share with the future? Is it really okay for it just to be there for the sake of keeping the brand alive, even when the soul has long since been sucked out of it? Personally, I'm okay with it fading into the past. I've never loved the hype G4 brought into the pony collecting world.
1. There's always the chance for the soul to return
2. It was the hype from G4 that finally nudged me into actually checking out MLP. And that in turn led to me checking out and falling in love with G1, and meeting the wonderful communities here and on the Trading Post.
I feel kinda unwelcome now...
 :sad:

Highly doubtful Hasbro will have an epiphany,  and return the brand to its glory days.

Also, getting into a civilized disagreement does not mean you are not welcomed. It just means you got into a disagreement.  :hug:
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on January 31, 2024, 01:51:57 PM
I think one of the differences in G1 compared to the toy line now is Hasbro from the beginning seemed to look at the G1 toy line as a 'collectable'. Some folks not familiar with MLP marketing back in the 80's probably don't know this but Basic Fun and hasbro didn't start calling the first 6 MLP collector ponies in the last 10/20 years. They were calling them collector ponies as early as 1986. I've got a letter I received back in the 80's from the mail order programing documenting Hasbro already calling those ponies 'collector ponies'

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Even way back then they were looking at MLP toy line as something more than just toys a 3 year old kid was going to tear up and loose interest in once they grew out of it. They must have seen by the interest and even looked at how 'kids' and adults treated the ponies back then. I remember when I bought my first 2 ponies (Moondancer and Firefly) my cousin had also purchased a pony and both of us (Me around 11/12 I think and my cousin around 8/9 - we both wanted to collect ALL the ponies). Hasbro probably could tell by the mail order program that the reaction to MLP back then was that people were actually buying them to put on a shelf and admire.

I think as a creator of toys IF you're looking at your toy line as something more valuable than toys then I feel like you'd put more effort and attention to detail into it; instead of now it feels like the G5 and even going by to the G4, it was just get something out quick and as cheaply as possible.

I also wish they'd have waited a couple years and then revamped the whole MLP line to something completely different. While it's so close to G4 I think that G5 sort of suffers when I think it could have been way different if they'd given it not only a cooling off period, but been given more time to develop the idea away from G4.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on January 31, 2024, 02:10:55 PM
FYI Hasbro's earnings call is coming up (Feb. 13); they'll review the financials for 2023, and usually these calls end with a projected outlook for the new year. Maybe this will shed some light on what their plans are and what to expect this year.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on January 31, 2024, 02:33:42 PM
The toy fair is normally around the end of February, I think..? Will be interesting to see what, if anything emerges.

Uni, I always love that letter, and you're right. I have letters like that too - Baby Lucky is the one that springs to mind here. They connected the ponies and the world the ponies came from to the kids, like it was a real place, which is a lot different from the glossy, encapsulated world of the TV screen that is most modern marketing. I know this is also about the time period, but I always think that - at least in the early years - Hasbro did try and build a brand and a bond between kid and toy line, rather than it just being a clinical ritual of farming out lumps of coloured plastic for cash.

Let me find my baby Lucky letters...since so few ponies were sold through MO here, he always sticks in my mind.
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This is the one that came with him. It's my original one, so it's a bit tatty. I don't seem to have a scan of the one promoting him easily to hand, but this one is cuter. (In the UK it was Ponyland and not Dream Valley; older ponies used to go live in Memory Lane, at least according to the comic).

There was also the club. I don't think there's been a pony club for a while? Did G4 have one? I was a member here for I think 3 years, and I remember the packs coming with activity booklets, and pens and pencil cases and other stuff...and then the last year I was a member was the first baby pony, and all the club stuff was about how to take care of the pony, her name certificate and so on. I remember begging to have the club renewed in 1989 literally because of the following bit of clever marketing:
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Emotional blackmail at its best, followed up with:
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On receipt of the first club installment.

These are little things that appealed to kids and probably kept the line alive longer. It's that engagement, while less polished, that feels a little more personal somehow?

I have so many bits of paper from G1 like this, aside the backcards. Some of them are here:
https://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mo_ukstuff.htm
G2 and G3 had sort of stories or character information on packages as well, which gave them a bit of individuality. Both also had some mail order or other releases going on, promotions, etc. G4 always felt tied up in the series and the focus was on its popularity, though. It was already a polished article so connecting to it - and G5's world - is maybe a bit more difficult?
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Ponyfan on January 31, 2024, 03:15:29 PM
There's also this US pamphlet that mentions Cotton Candy and her set mates being Collector Ponies.

http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/File:Lucky-mo2.jpg

They're guests at Satin n Lace's wedding.


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: ChocolateStarfire on January 31, 2024, 05:52:58 PM
I love the letters. I wish promo materials were like that more often, with kids toys. Anyway I hope things will turn around with MLP eventually.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Flitter on January 31, 2024, 07:22:02 PM
The toy fair is normally around the end of February, I think..? Will be interesting to see what, if anything emerges.


New York Toy Fair is not happening this year (postponed until next year), but Nuremberg Toy Fair is happening right now, until February 3!
I haven't seen any news from there yet other than that Hasbro and Basic Fun are exhibiting and showcasing MLP. I'm hoping some images or news will surface soon.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Snapdragon on January 31, 2024, 07:39:00 PM
Whether you like it or not, G4's fandom became infested with people whose sole purpose in life is to make other people miserable on social media - and Hasbro marketed towards those people, at the expense of their real audience, which was the kids. The moment MLP stopped being about kids first and foremost, it died


God, this stopped me in my tracks, and I had to just pluck this little line out of the full response, because it bowls me over with how true it is, and I haven't really seen it summed up so neatly before. But it's true, it was like - the memeification of glorifying cruelty to other people, of bonding over nasty and hateful behavior because it was fun. Like cult behavior, attacking the 'other' when the 'other' was women and children who dared to enjoy MLP 'incorrectly'. I know that's not what everyone in the Brony fandom took from it or enjoyed, but that type seemed to slowly edge more and more people out of public fandom spaces, until it seemed like those were the only people left. I cannot wait until that particular scourge finds a new interest.

Anyway, back on topic - I was thinking about this thread when I went to Walmart last weekend, and I decided to hunt for ponies ... and found absolutely nothing. There's not even a section for them anymore. There's not even those super cute Hairmazing unicorn knockoffs, the ones for like $1? Gone. :( They did have some of the fairy dolls, so I really hope they bring back the unis - and the ponies!! We need something equine in there!
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: goddessofpeep on February 01, 2024, 02:31:38 AM
It’s unfortunate that Hasbro’s decisions screwed up the brand so much.  Having a popular generation in stores benefits the collector community in ways besides the obvious giving them product to buy. We do benefit from excitement over the brand.  We get to enjoy the third party licensed products. There were a ton of goodies aimed at adults during the G4 craze.

The real benefit is the new fans it creates. Not all people who buy ponies come into the collector community, but a percentage do.  And a few years down the line, we can expect an influx of nostalgic “I had these as a kid!” collectors.  As a community, we need new members. I’ve been in this community since about 1997ish.  I’d say that less than 5% of the people who were active when I joined are still active now. It’s true that if something is *too* popular, it can cause issues(like bringing problem people into the community as we saw with the G4s), but without a constant influx of new members, this community will eventually wither away to nothing.

I hope G5 does well enough to get a G6.  I hope Hasbro pulls itself together and turns MLP in the right direction.  I hope the toy industry as a whole does better.  The loss of TRU and the large toy stores in general was a blow, but kids today are going more for electronic stuff instead of toys.   The long term consequences of this are unknown, but I feel bad for kids these days.  I think the culture as a whole makes them grow up too fast, and their options for toys that encourage imagination are dwindling.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: cowboyopossum on February 01, 2024, 07:59:00 AM
Whether you like it or not, G4's fandom became infested with people whose sole purpose in life is to make other people miserable on social media - and Hasbro marketed towards those people, at the expense of their real audience, which was the kids. The moment MLP stopped being about kids first and foremost, it died


God, this stopped me in my tracks, and I had to just pluck this little line out of the full response, because it bowls me over with how true it is, and I haven't really seen it summed up so neatly before. But it's true, it was like - the memeification of glorifying cruelty to other people, of bonding over nasty and hateful behavior because it was fun. Like cult behavior, attacking the 'other' when the 'other' was women and children who dared to enjoy MLP 'incorrectly'. I know that's not what everyone in the Brony fandom took from it or enjoyed, but that type seemed to slowly edge more and more people out of public fandom spaces, until it seemed like those were the only people left. I cannot wait until that particular scourge finds a new interest.
I think this is a wonderful explanation. Whenever people refer to me as a "brony" theres this visceral disgust in my gut. People need to stop lumping awful, vile people on some other site to collectors who truly love MLP and are not in it just for the laughs. I like when the brand caters to collectors as well as children, but they never should have been catering to bronies.

It ruined the reputation of collectors as well as MLP, because all people can think of when they see MLP is those people. I grew up with MLP, it has been my special interest for my whole life. I am glad my family see it the same way I do, as something that brings me so much joy. I am truly grateful for my collection, I dont only care about it only to be "trendy."

Its been so disappointing to see Hasbro pulling ponies from stores, even in smaller toy stores in my town there's just... nothing. It actually made me cry the first time i saw it, like they're trying to scrub my childhood and my passion from store shelves. The only horse toys I have seen are in 5 below, those low effort fakes and sparkle girl ponies.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: goddessofpeep on February 01, 2024, 10:40:37 AM
I found it very depressing how quickly Hasbro decided to cater to the bronies after watching this community beg them for literal decades to listen to us. Collectors have gotten meager scraps from Hasbro for years.  To have Hasbro give the bronies whatever they wanted was like Hasbro spitting in our faces.  And they were catering to a community that had a significant problem with some of the worst people imaginable.  Fortunately, the collector community went through its own issues several years ago, and moderation was already in place to mitigate the worst of it here and a few other places.  Still, the bronies certainly befouled the My Little Pony name to the general public.  I still have nothing to do with most facebook groups since they lack a lot of the moderation that keeps things civil here. 

This was a big reason I felt Hasbro should have taken a break after G4.  It would give  the toxic subset of  “fans” a chance to really clear out and give the MLP brand a chance to recover.  You know, give the general public a chance to forget about pony love pillows and plushes with…holes. Maybe get the “alt right” people a chance to find some other more fertile ground to use to spread their hateful messages.   We’ll see how it goes. G5 is already limping.  Maybe Hasbro will take a break at the end of it, and being it back in a few years. 
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: cowboyopossum on February 01, 2024, 11:44:15 AM
Oh lord don't even remind me of... those plushies...  :shocked:
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on February 01, 2024, 12:40:28 PM
I found it very depressing how quickly Hasbro decided to cater to the bronies after watching this community beg them for literal decades to listen to us. Collectors have gotten meager scraps from Hasbro for years.  To have Hasbro give the bronies whatever they wanted was like Hasbro spitting in our faces.  And they were catering to a community that had a significant problem with some of the worst people imaginable.  Fortunately, the collector community went through its own issues several years ago, and moderation was already in place to mitigate the worst of it here and a few other places.  Still, the bronies certainly befouled the My Little Pony name to the general public.  I still have nothing to do with most facebook groups since they lack a lot of the moderation that keeps things civil here. 

This was a big reason I felt Hasbro should have taken a break after G4.  It would give  the toxic subset of  “fans” a chance to really clear out and give the MLP brand a chance to recover.  You know, give the general public a chance to forget about pony love pillows and plushes with…holes. Maybe get the “alt right” people a chance to find some other more fertile ground to use to spread their hateful messages.   We’ll see how it goes. G5 is already limping.  Maybe Hasbro will take a break at the end of it, and being it back in a few years.

Ugh. What is wrong with them?
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Snapdragon on February 02, 2024, 01:25:32 AM
I found it very depressing how quickly Hasbro decided to cater to the bronies after watching this community beg them for literal decades to listen to us. Collectors have gotten meager scraps from Hasbro for years.  To have Hasbro give the bronies whatever they wanted was like Hasbro spitting in our faces.  And they were catering to a community that had a significant problem with some of the worst people imaginable.  Fortunately, the collector community went through its own issues several years ago, and moderation was already in place to mitigate the worst of it here and a few other places.  Still, the bronies certainly befouled the My Little Pony name to the general public.  I still have nothing to do with most facebook groups since they lack a lot of the moderation that keeps things civil here. 

This was a big reason I felt Hasbro should have taken a break after G4.  It would give  the toxic subset of  “fans” a chance to really clear out and give the MLP brand a chance to recover.  You know, give the general public a chance to forget about pony love pillows and plushes with…holes. Maybe get the “alt right” people a chance to find some other more fertile ground to use to spread their hateful messages.   We’ll see how it goes. G5 is already limping.  Maybe Hasbro will take a break at the end of it, and being it back in a few years. 

I totally agree with your stance on the FB groups; I treat it a little bit like walking into an alligator swamp, with the amount of poor behavior and scamming that goes on in there! But I also feel like people who want to be mods would get immediately overwhelmed, since you can't really IP ban anyone from the site, much less your group. The scammers can just make ten more accounts and come right back in! It feels like a losing battle, so I lurk for what I can and block like mad!

I agree, and can't help but feel like, knowing what I know about Hasbro after 'The Toys That Made Us', Hasbro corporate would prefer to be an entirely boys-toys type company anyway. So when boys took interest in one of their (icky) girls lines that is still kicking (Jem who?), they jumped on it, without really doing any research. I did enjoy seeing the takedown of one of the more prolifically gross webcomics (which I won't name since the title itself is offensive) thanks to Hasbro, but I still can't believe that Hasbro just started throwing out 'Brony' on any merch they could without doing any due diligence. So it did give me some satisfaction any time it blew up in their face, which it didn't often enough frankly. The blowback seems to land on the fans - anyone who calls themselves a fan, which includes people who's been fans for years and (checks notes) literal children. I dislike the idea of MLP "taking a break", because I'm selfish like that and enjoy shopping for pretty ponies, but it's sad that it's something that collectors are actually asking for, because so many of us feel like it's necessary.

Personally, I do see people complaining about how 'babyish' and 'poorly written' G5 is compared to G4, and part of me feels like, good! Excellent! Give me the annoying baby dragon! Let it get boring, and let the people who enjoy it anyway keep enjoying it, and then maybe we can get back to enjoying the franchise in peace. Maybe that's more selfish than wishing for a break for the line? Ah well, bring on that Sparky Sparkerooni! :lmao:
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: cowboyopossum on February 02, 2024, 05:34:59 AM
People often forget that My Little Pony is meant for children. It's not some brand that is exclusive to collectors, or even adults at all. First and foremost it is for kids. I find people criticizing the show writing all the time and, while it is not as good as g4's writing, it is a show for little girls. It's not some big intricate plotline like some other shows I see people dissect.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: pvppyp4ws on February 02, 2024, 09:11:37 AM
i haven't seen many ponies in stores here :( i went to finland in the summer and i saw a bit more there, there was some g4 stuff and a lot of 40th anniversary ponies which i haven't found here at all
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on February 03, 2024, 01:56:06 PM
Admittedly, I've only watched the intro movie, but I felt that G5 was lacking in the edge that made it appealing for bronies, and that was a relief. I can't hate G5, I just feel like it has no real power or identity because it's so tied onto something that took so much attention.

I know a few people who were big into G4, as G4, and not the nasty type. But what frustrates me about that is that a lot of them knew there was stuff going on that wasn't so great, and kind of just didn't do anything about it. I'm not talking about the scary folk. The best thing you can do with them is keep your distance. But the targeting of older gens and the existing fandom. It frustrates me because we welcomed G4 with open arms and excitement when it first was announced.

Hasbro's Pinkie Pie Chicken Suit fair exclusive and then taking over the Fair and making it Hascon are the two big events I feel went against the collectors in favour of G4. In a way maybe this is reaping what was sown then. Kids will always love something that is dynamic and aimed at them, that they can hook into and become a real fan of. Collectors are more picky, but showing even the modicum of respect to the older communities WHILE promoting collector lines for G4 would have helped settle the issues about who the 'real' pony fans were.

Now most of those fans have gone, the real collectors are still here (yes, including those who came in with G4, I can't believe I need to say that explicitly now but there we are)...but there's a void. Basic Fun have filled it for the G1 collectors, and a little foray into G3. But I feel like if they had recognised those key 'iconic' characters throughout G4, it would be easier for them to do what Mattel are doing with G1 Monster High, and making a lot of money out of collector release dolls aimed at adults.

...I know MH is different in lots of ways, but by severing that relationship with the collectors, then trying to reconnect it by a very haphazard and slapdash "here's a retro M6 set!" gesture...I think they missed an opportunity.

And then they could have given the toyline a hiatus, while marketing at collectors in the interim.

Yes, BF is doing this, but it's BF, not Hasbro, who are driving that. Hasbro made it clear to me when I emailed them about the BF ponies back when it began that it was 'nothing to do with them'.

MLP will always be about kids and ponies, but as goddessofpeep was saying, giving us scraps (despite the fact we've kept being here in years of nothing, and are likely to spend if the product is right) in order to chase after a mad online fad...seems unwise to me.

I went in Smyths the other day. THey only have large Sunny toys, next to a lot of fakies.

The sad thing is, unicorns are still REALLY BIG at the moment. There are a lot of unicorn toys around. And yet it feels like Hasbro's are blending into the background :/
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: cowboyopossum on February 03, 2024, 02:40:48 PM
That is a great point Taffeta! I really feel like once they caught wind of bronies they took it as a huge cash grab and forgot about the target demographic + collectors. It really felt like being spit on when they were slapping the word "Brony" on everything, especially considering things like pony.mov and smile hd being up on youtube for any kid to watch... They didn't really do anything about that stuff while giving c&d's to other animators.

I would love a g4 "retro" line, but they have kinda lost us as collectors. Of course, I collect g5 because I do like the character designs, but they just really need to calm down. I think the main thing about g5 not being popular is the continuation of g4, which made things so complicated with the canon, and that Hasbro only wants to make those 3 inch plastic Sunnies and not different character brushables that made them so much money in the 80's and 2000's.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: goddessofpeep on February 03, 2024, 03:25:48 PM
I think the “Core 7”/“Mane 6” was the original beginning of the end for MLP, and most of the issues that came after stemmed from that.  MLP was about variety and always something new to buy.  As a kid, I never wanted doubles. I always wanted to see something new. G1, G2, and the prime G3 years were all about new ponies constantly coming out.  Having access to repeated characters does give kids a chance to get their favorites if they missed them originally, but having nothing but the same group of characters over and over makes everything stale. And no parent is going to cough up for a 10th Pinkie Pie at current market prices.  The first few years of G4 was a decent balance of Mane 6 and new ponies, but they managed to screw it up in later years by putting out nothing but the Mane 6. Churning out G5 on the heels of G4 led to the new toys sharing shelf space with the unsold crap that was sitting on shelves for over a year, killing the new stuff before it had a chance to even get rolling.

Hasbro went for cheap and lazy(endless boring iterations of the same characters) and catering to the fad group(all the stuff marketed to bronies).  Mattel knows how to make a great toy for kids, and how to cater to collectors at the same time. I often envy Mattel collectors. They get respect from Mattel. MLP only got noticed once the bronies took over, and even then Hasbro wasn’t great. 
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: DreamvalleyMLP on February 04, 2024, 02:50:00 AM
I have a sneaky suspicion that G5 is on its way out. Make Your Mark is over and done with; and while the Youtube shorts continue they could simply serve as a placeholder like Pony Life did, while they are figuring out what to do with the IP.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Crystal-Sushi on February 04, 2024, 05:51:29 AM
I think the “Core 7”/“Mane 6” was the original beginning of the end for MLP, and most of the issues that came after stemmed from that.  MLP was about variety and always something new to buy.  As a kid, I never wanted doubles. I always wanted to see something new. G1, G2, and the prime G3 years were all about new ponies constantly coming out.  Having access to repeated characters does give kids a chance to get their favorites if they missed them originally, but having nothing but the same group of characters over and over makes everything stale. And no parent is going to cough up for a 10th Pinkie Pie at current market prices.  The first few years of G4 was a decent balance of Mane 6 and new ponies, but they managed to screw it up in later years by putting out nothing but the Mane 6. Churning out G5 on the heels of G4 led to the new toys sharing shelf space with the unsold crap that was sitting on shelves for over a year, killing the new stuff before it had a chance to even get rolling.

Hasbro went for cheap and lazy(endless boring iterations of the same characters) and catering to the fad group(all the stuff marketed to bronies).  Mattel knows how to make a great toy for kids, and how to cater to collectors at the same time. I often envy Mattel collectors. They get respect from Mattel. MLP only got noticed once the bronies took over, and even then Hasbro wasn’t great.

EXACTLY! I was exactly the same as a kid, and still am today, and I would imagine I'm not the only one either...! Even if Hasbro was doing current trends like slime/fidgets in the line, as long as they had consistent new characters I'm almost sure they'd sell with both kids and collectors.

I feel like another issue is that G4 wasn't very toyetic - like Lauren's designs are great for animation but don't translate super well into physical toys? Ideally MLP should have a balance, and I think that's something G1/G3 did very well, but G5 seems to be falling into the same pitfall, with a lot of design elements from the animated counterparts being absent on the actual toys and that sort of stuff bothered the heck out of me as a kid haha.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on February 04, 2024, 07:14:45 AM
I know that I've said this before, but if I had been a target age kid in 2011, I would have gone Monster High and not MLP. I hated dolls as a kid because my memory of wall to wall blond haired blue eyed Barbies with no real personality just horrified me when I was 5. We did not get any variety in those toys for a long time. There was Jem, but I was 5 in 1987, Jem was never massively successful compared to barbie, and I probably was too young for Jem at the time it fizzled out. But I played with my mother's old dolls from the 50s and they had more variety than the barbies on shelf did.

I hated Megan for the same reason. (Being a blond haired blue eyed girl at the time, it's not the specific appearance but the monotony that I hated).

The ponies were all shades and shapes and designs and I loved that. I don't think it would've mattered if they'd been koalas or deer or giraffes. Or maybe it would, I don't know, LOL :) But I wasn't especially mad on horses before MLP. In fact, the photos we have from when I was 3 or 4 (I had some ponies by then) are mostly me carrying around either Red or Mokey fraggle, so that tells you that it wasn't all about the horses for me. But as MLP got more complex and the comics (Stories!) happened, I got more pulled into it.

I had a couple of Keypers too, as a kid, and I did love them, although fewer stories thus fewer opportunities to connect with them in the same way. But that was another line I liked and would have wanted more.

My sister was big into Carebears. She used to grab them all up at carboot sales and still has a lot up in the attic.

All toys that had variety at their core. I think if I had seen Shera figures I might have gone after them, but I never did.

The idea of a core group isn't wrong, but has to have balance, as others have said. I think if you look at how G2 did it, or the Tales series, or the start of G3, you see repeat characters plus new ones. As mentioned, G4 also did this. I love some of the early G4 ponies.

I just think there was a lack of creativity involved in production at this point. Maybe it was all reliant on the animation, but (controversial opinion), I think that also lacked creativity after a point.

That point about the toys and their designs is also valid. Things do change in production. But you can't animate a fixed hairstyle, which means moulded hair. And that isn't what the core of MLP is. It means making a direct choice about what market you're going after. Hair quality in G4 towards the end is...not great.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Carrehz on February 04, 2024, 07:42:51 AM
What ticks me off about the whole "core character" concept isn't the idea itself, it's the fact that Hasbro think having a set of main characters means you can ONLY make toys of THEM and no one else! Look at other toylines that do this, most of them handle it way better. Like, Monster High has always had the core characters like Frankie, Draculaura, Clawdeen, etc but they're not all in EVERY line. There'd usually be a good mix of characters. Or like, Jakks Pacific's Sonic the Hedgehog line, they're doing really well at keeping the major characters on the shelves while also releasing at least one new character in each wave.

And then there's Hasbro who are all "Here's Sunny Starscout with a new hat!". x___x
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on February 04, 2024, 08:52:38 AM
Hasbro taking over the Pony Fair was SUCH A MASSIVE AND COLOSSAL MISTAKE!!!

I've said this from the very beginning!  and for what, access to some voice actors and an exclusive pony that we had zero input over???!

*rages , throws fakies* 
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Kitcatepic on February 04, 2024, 07:48:18 PM
What ticks me off about the whole "core character" concept isn't the idea itself, it's the fact that Hasbro think having a set of main characters means you can ONLY make toys of THEM and no one else! Look at other toylines that do this, most of them handle it way better. Like, Monster High has always had the core characters like Frankie, Draculaura, Clawdeen, etc but they're not all in EVERY line. There'd usually be a good mix of characters. Or like, Jakks Pacific's Sonic the Hedgehog line, they're doing really well at keeping the major characters on the shelves while also releasing at least one new character in each wave.

And then there's Hasbro who are all "Here's Sunny Starscout with a new hat!". x___x

And it's not like hasbro is incapable of doing this in g3 they released tons of characters and there was still room for pinkie minty rarity and the other major characters
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Snapdragon on February 04, 2024, 09:44:17 PM
Hasbro taking over the Pony Fair was SUCH A MASSIVE AND COLOSSAL MISTAKE!!!

I've said this from the very beginning!  and for what, access to some voice actors and an exclusive pony that we had zero input over???!

*rages , throws fakies* 

This makes me so sad too! It definitely felt like the beginning of the end - especially that first year, when we were all like 'wait, what?' when they started messing with the exclusive! I can't help but feel like Hasbro might have seen it as an easy cash grab (Bronies = $$$) and when they realized it wasn't, just kinda ... dropped it. Like, Hascon, whatever happened with that, anyway? It certainly wasn't a big event for MLP! :yikes: I hope someday we'll get a tell-all from the organizers, I bet they have some big tea to spill!
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on February 05, 2024, 06:36:05 AM
I hope someday we'll get a tell-all from the organizers, I bet they have some big tea to spill!

I remember they gave me so much grief and nasty comments about my thoughts about it.
I said once they [Hasbro] took it over, that we [actual pony collectors] would never get it back.  And it's true... we have some smaller conventions but the Big Name Convention is now completely controlled by Hasbro.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on February 05, 2024, 12:04:04 PM
I was always so glad that UK Ponycon did not have that tight interwoven relationship with Hasbro. It meant we didn't always get the same stuff, but overall, Ponycon survived the upheaval fairly well.

I remember the Paloozas and the original fairs being organised, and these were entirely fan-driven events. Hasbro would not have had anything to build on without the G1 community making them happen in a time when pony was not really first on the marketing agenda. It's just very sad given what it started out being and what it became. Yes, nobody is disputing that Hasbro own MLP as a copyright. But the attitude to the collectors who kept MLP alive in times when Hasbro had given up on it was so completely different from the attitude towards the fad brony crazies who had swept in on a FIM wave of adrenaline.

Basically they backed the wrong horse. :/ But unfortunately the ones who really suffered in this were the US pony community and all the years of work the fair committees put in making it happen. :/

Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on March 09, 2024, 07:47:05 AM
Well I was able to check my other Walmart (still haven't had a chance to check Target)

Walmart #1: Smaller but tends to have a better selection of things than the older Walmart in the area. No MLPs nor Sparkle Girl Ponies (only those lesser fakies that are on the knock off brand aisle and even then it's just 1 box lol)

Walmart #2: Older but larger, did have some Gen 5 mlp items... but it was only the Make Your Mark - Styling Ponies and the Mini World Magic Critter Corner (maybe some of the other mini worlds as well but Critter Corner was the one that I saw)

Funny enough I looked on Walmart's site to find the Critter Corner one because could not 100% remember what it was to find it on MLP Merch... and the site said it was out of stock even though I saw it a few days ago (and I know it ain't moving fast)
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 09, 2024, 08:38:02 AM
Except for a few Sunny Starscouts, and one Trailblazer, I've barely seen anything at all. Not even in the check out stand.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Koudoawaia on March 10, 2024, 08:43:31 AM
Went to my city's comic and toy con yesterday and was surprised to see no ponies there either. I did see a few knit G4 hats that were no doubt fan made but no pony figures.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: TheClassCalico on March 10, 2024, 12:23:24 PM
I think that Hasbro ought to listen to fans in general, especially with the rise in adults collecting toys in recent years. I don't think that there is anything wrong with them listening to Bronies any more than there is with them listening to the collecting community or children. Honestly, it seems that they missed all demographics with G5 thanks to them not really properly listening, although I suspect that they tried catering to Bronies as well as younger fans that enjoyed G4, just very poorly. It is important to keep in mind that G4 was very popular with children as well, albeit seemingly primarily due to the show.

I do hope that we see a change in G5. I genuinely think that there is potential there. I think that it's been mishandled, and if they moved to a different approach, such as going back to collectability—I know that that is still popular with children—it may become more successful.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 10, 2024, 12:27:05 PM
I think that Hasbro ought to listen to fans in general, especially with the rise in adults collecting toys in recent years. I don't think that there is anything wrong with them listening to Bronies any more than there is with them listening to the collecting community or children. Honestly, it seems that they missed all demographics with G5, although I suspect that they tried catering to Bronies as well as younger fans that enjoyed G4. It is important to keep in mind that G4 was very popular with children as well, albeit seemingly primarily due to the show.

I do hope that we see a change in G5. I genuinely think that there is potential there. I think that it's been mishandled, and if they moved to a different approach, such as going back to collectability—I know that that is still popular with children—it may become more successful.


Strongly disagree. When a portion of the fan base is being toxic and causing serious issues,  and making highly inappropriate suggestions in a Children' Franchise then No Company should  ever listen to them, or implement them. Fans like that ruin it for everybody,  ESPECIALLY the target audience.

If the fan base is asking politely and not biting their heads off or making death threats, then a company May or May Not consider it. Mostly they won't consider it, unless they figure it's going to bring them a large profit.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: TheClassCalico on March 10, 2024, 12:32:34 PM
I think that Hasbro ought to listen to fans in general, especially with the rise in adults collecting toys in recent years. I don't think that there is anything wrong with them listening to Bronies any more than there is with them listening to the collecting community or children. Honestly, it seems that they missed all demographics with G5, although I suspect that they tried catering to Bronies as well as younger fans that enjoyed G4. It is important to keep in mind that G4 was very popular with children as well, albeit seemingly primarily due to the show.

I do hope that we see a change in G5. I genuinely think that there is potential there. I think that it's been mishandled, and if they moved to a different approach, such as going back to collectability—I know that that is still popular with children—it may become more successful.


Strongly disagree. When a portion of the fan base is being toxic and causing serious issues,  and making highly inappropriate suggestions in a Children' Franchise  then No Company should  ever listen to them, or implement them. Fans like that ruin it for everybody,  ESPECIALLY the target audience.

I do not want them to listen to the toxic side of the Brony fandom, but I do want them to listen to the more reasonable side, as they are fans just as much as we are and inevitably contribute to its success. Being a large fandom, and especially one with its roots, it's a bit of an inevitability that there's going to be toxicity, but I don't think that they should be altogether dismissed because some people are toxic.

I'm no longer a part of the fandom, although I used to be, and based on experience, it is very much a mixed bag. I also talk to quite a few people who consider themselves Bronies that are perfectly kind people. It's a shame that the toxic people ruin it for others.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 10, 2024, 12:35:04 PM
I think that Hasbro ought to listen to fans in general, especially with the rise in adults collecting toys in recent years. I don't think that there is anything wrong with them listening to Bronies any more than there is with them listening to the collecting community or children. Honestly, it seems that they missed all demographics with G5, although I suspect that they tried catering to Bronies as well as younger fans that enjoyed G4. It is important to keep in mind that G4 was very popular with children as well, albeit seemingly primarily due to the show.

I do hope that we see a change in G5. I genuinely think that there is potential there. I think that it's been mishandled, and if they moved to a different approach, such as going back to collectability—I know that that is still popular with children—it may become more successful.


Strongly disagree. When a portion of the fan base is being toxic and causing serious issues,  and making highly inappropriate suggestions in a Children' Franchise  then No Company should  ever listen to them, or implement them. Fans like that ruin it for everybody,  ESPECIALLY the target audience.

I do not want them to listen to the toxic side of the Brony fandom, but I do want them to listen to the more reasonable side, as they are fans just as much as we are and inevitably contribute to its success. Being a large fandom, and especially one with its roots, it's a bit of an inevitability that there's going to be toxicity, but I don't think that they should be altogether dismissed because some people are toxic.

The bronies should not have been listened to at all. Because they issued death threats, suggested inappropriate material, and acted horribly.  Their toxicity was the rule, not the exception.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: TheClassCalico on March 10, 2024, 12:42:50 PM
I think that Hasbro ought to listen to fans in general, especially with the rise in adults collecting toys in recent years. I don't think that there is anything wrong with them listening to Bronies any more than there is with them listening to the collecting community or children. Honestly, it seems that they missed all demographics with G5, although I suspect that they tried catering to Bronies as well as younger fans that enjoyed G4. It is important to keep in mind that G4 was very popular with children as well, albeit seemingly primarily due to the show.

I do hope that we see a change in G5. I genuinely think that there is potential there. I think that it's been mishandled, and if they moved to a different approach, such as going back to collectability—I know that that is still popular with children—it may become more successful.


Strongly disagree. When a portion of the fan base is being toxic and causing serious issues,  and making highly inappropriate suggestions in a Children' Franchise  then No Company should  ever listen to them, or implement them. Fans like that ruin it for everybody,  ESPECIALLY the target audience.

I do not want them to listen to the toxic side of the Brony fandom, but I do want them to listen to the more reasonable side, as they are fans just as much as we are and inevitably contribute to its success. Being a large fandom, and especially one with its roots, it's a bit of an inevitability that there's going to be toxicity, but I don't think that they should be altogether dismissed because some people are toxic.

The bronies should not have been listened to at all. Because they issued death threats, suggested inappropriate material, and acted horribly.  Their toxicity was the rule, not the exception.

I disagree. That behaviour was not appropriate, and as I said, I do not think that those fans should be catered to at all, unless what they are asking for happens to be the same as what more reasonably people want; death threats are, under no circumstances, appropriate. I want the more reasonable fans to be taken into consideration, but I want Hasbro to avoid encouraging that behaviour.

I'm not sure if it is the rule or if those people are just especially loud. It seems a little unlikely that a giant fandom has a majority toxic population, but regardless, I don't think that reasonable requests (and behaviour)  should just be ignored.

My word choice is a little repetitive and I realise that I'm more or less repeating myself. My apologies!
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 10, 2024, 12:51:41 PM
Companies hardly listen to their consumer base anyway.  Its very rare, and most companies have the common sense not to cave to bullies and creeps. The fact they did makes me suspicious about what kind of disturbed people are working in Hasbro’s animation department sometimes? This is MLP, not freakin South Park.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Taffeta on March 11, 2024, 11:02:34 AM
I agree that fans shouldn't be listened to if we're talking about a toy aimed primarily at kids. If you're making a collector spinoff, then yes, fans (reasonable ones) can be involved (as with the MH stuff lately). But the main line, nope. G4 deviated away from the kids to please the bronies and I think that's a problem...since Hasbro's main actual product is toy, which the G4 adult fanbase were less likely to engage with than their own, fan-created media.

On the subject of the hostility, I don't believe most G4 fans were toxic. That said, I hold the G4 fanbase collectively responsible for the damage done to pony collecting and its reputation - and the impact that brony misbehaviour has had on the rest of us, who were just quietly collecting ponies before we were hit by an onslaught of anti-older gen junk.

Again, I don't think all the fans participated in this. But at the same time, they didn't challenge it. And not all of the problem was the really toxic stuff. Instead of sharing a fan space with the existing pony fan community, it was a barrage of G4-fans trying to reinvent how MLP worked. How G4 was the perfect evolution. How G1 characters related into G4 lore. How Tales was G2 because the actual G2 wasn't animated. And all the G3 mockery, epitomised by that documentary.

G4 fans trying to recreate what pony was about, what the pony fandom was about, and pouring scorn on anyone who saw it differently is just a bitter taste G4 left behind. I think it will take a while for that to die down.

That said, there was a lot of (differently angled) bitterness over G2, and that's all gone now. So time is a healer and will heal.
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 12, 2024, 08:44:42 AM
Discovered we have a small TrU section in the mall. No ponies.  No ponies at Barnes n Noble either.

Post Merge: March 12, 2024, 11:01:44 AM

Hasbro and in particular CEO Chris P. Cocks' stupidity has also lead to sales-killing price-gouging on brands like Transformers that's hurting those brands as well. And I bet the idiot has a golden parachute clause in his contract, too; it would explain why the shareholders haven't fired him in order to stop him from continuing to undercut their value with his idiocy.

Regarding G5... I think starting it up so soon after G4 ended could still have worked.
IF it had been the clean break in narrative and design that it actually needed to be. G4 was exhausted on every level, and retailers and customers alike were exhausted of it and its poorly-balanced assortments.
MLP needed a new setting and a substantial change in aesthetic (like, say, reverting to something more horse-like) that would have actually felt like a new start.
But noooooo, the idiots in charge couldn't bring themselves to fully let go of G4, and so the line basically looks and feels like more of the same thing they were already sick of to retailers.
And wasn't there also a long delay between the movie coming out and the show debuting?

I'm not mad about the obsession with segregating species and then bringing them together, either, it's cliche and hackneyed.
Indeed.

Quote from: Taffeta
I never bought into G1's fixation with de-magicking earth ponies in US media releases, since in the UK ponies had magic regardless of their species and I liked that better. The factfile states Magic Star is the most magical pony of all of them, so yeah.
In fairness, "My Little Pony and Friends" toned down everybody's magical capabilities compared to the backcard stories. Individual unicorns don't have much variety to what they can do with their magic in that, and the only special thing pegasi can do is fly (although that did make them the cartoon's favorite since the cartoon loved to travel to various locations).
The show does at least make clear that Earth Ponies are still inherently magical - otherwise, their hair wouldn't have been much use in repairing Porcina's cloak.

Quote from: Taffeta
Maybe because I grew up with it, but I feel like it's not very progressive, having a world in which x type of pony can only do x. It's not quite as strangling as 'your cutie mark destiny', but it isn't great.
How do you feel about G4 giving pegasi weather magic to go with them flying?

Quote from: Taffeta
Reality isn't like that. I will never understand why Earth ponies should not have magic as an option by default.
I think a lot of people tend to see them as the "normals" of the setting because they're the closest to IRL horses and don't have obvious supernatural features like wings or horns. Hasbro themselves seem to have felt that way in G3 (and it obviously took arm-twisting to get pegasi and unicorns added to the line at all).

Quote from: Taffeta
Unpopular opinion, too, but I am ok with MLP ending with G5. I feel like we already had 2 generations too many, given the chaos of G4 and then this. MLP doesn't need to be constantly trampled down by repetitive overselling of the same characters. If MLP disappeared completely, well, so what? Those of us who grew up with G1 survived that and we're still surviving it. Will it really make a huge difference if ponies stop being sold? The ones most of us grew up with (G1 or G3 included) haven't been on shelves for years but we're still here for them...
I mean, it will make it harder to share MLP with future generations if it ends, and probably kill throwback stuff like Basic Fun reissues that make getting G1 stuff more accessible for those who didn't grow up with it.

At this rate, maybe it would be better if Hasbro imploded and Takara-Tomy picked up the pieces.

The hasbro CEO has an unfortunate name.  :lol:
Title: Re: Nearly Non Existent Pony Section
Post by: cowboyopossum on March 12, 2024, 11:03:31 AM
Says a lot about him.
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