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I would like to know how early gen fans feel, and whether you guys think that the pony franchise will ever Return to the way it was before. Not largely influenced by and made then onward by an adamant and vocal fandom. On the flip side, are there any positive elements that you might think can result in fandom influence in future pony generations?
I don't think FiM managed to do that, especially in later seasons. The episode about an annoying, pedantic fan of Daring Do? A little edgy, because you could potentially be insulting the very kids who love this show and attend conventions, but not necessarily harmful. The body pillow references, complete with unhappy Daring Do tied up with a rope? Beyond the pale. This is stuff that an exec should have seen and went, 'why are we showing this to children?' I'm usually anti censorship from executive figures who don't necessarily understand children's media, but this is something that I would have liked censored out of existence.
Quote from: Taffeta on July 27, 2020, 01:32:51 AMI am with Zapper on the pony and gender thing.It's always bothered me that it's fine if girls like 'boyish' things but there's immediately so much hassle for guys who like 'girl' toys. Toys are toys and you like what you like. Sorry, but I thought that as a kid and still do as an adult.You called my name, so here is a rant about the purpose of toys and why they are gendered SpoilerWe have to remember that toys exist by and large because of social conditioning. Girls were given chore toys such as cleaning and cooking tools, toys that steered them towards the only acceptable female role in society: wife and mother, such as baby dolls, and later on beauty toys such as fashion dolls and play make-up to get an early grasp on how women should always go the extra mile to look attractive for their future husbands. Of course boys would be kept away from such toys. They go opposed to their gender role. And this is true even today. Nobody buys their son a make-up kit without getting weird remarks despite some of the richest make-up artists being men. Same for cooking tools. The industry is dominated by men but the cooking toy is still seen as a chore toy for girls, not a career path toy.It was never ok for a girl to play soldiers or cars, it was deemed as odd and opposed to being "good" and girlish, girls who would express interest in boy toys where often kept a shameful secret or placed in "domestic training", lady school and all those "fun" clubs, they were even medicated and tortured. It's just that history recording is biased and female oppression was never an issue until the late 19th century, so we always kept track of what boys couldn't do and not really of what girls couldn't do. Girls not being able to do a thing was normalized and expected.Only due to women's lib we got to a point where girls could express their interests more freely and ask for more spaces to be created for recreation specifically. Games and toys have always been a boy-centered market because boys were the ones expected to be wild and curious, girls were expected to be quiet and doing chore play, knitting, beautifying. And then of course due to the gay panic in the 60s/70s people were suddenly watching their boys play behaviour like hawks. For girls it was more about looks. She wanted to cut her hair and not wear dresses? Possible lesbian. And neither was accepted. Sorry but I am tired of this cliché that girls just out of the blue were allowed to have interest in boy stuff. It's due to women's rights movements we won that privilege. And considering most people in my country still assjme each girl who likes to play soccer instead of doing ballet is a secret lesbian... yeah, gendering kids interests and activiyies is alive and well. Girls are also not given Batman toys, they are given the Mattel Batgirl with oversized head and fashions Toys will end being gendered the moment toy companies stop market research. And that won't end any time soon. What we can hope for is that more themes and shapes and gimmicks will become "gender neutral". Such as The Joker make-up heads along with warmongering MLPs
I am with Zapper on the pony and gender thing.It's always bothered me that it's fine if girls like 'boyish' things but there's immediately so much hassle for guys who like 'girl' toys. Toys are toys and you like what you like. Sorry, but I thought that as a kid and still do as an adult.
TBH the eighties had nods to cultural material or events as well, it's not a new thing or a FIM thing.I still remember an episode of the Turtles called "the Maltese Hamster"...And I'm pretty sure there's a reason why that ice cream guy in Ice Cream Wars has a dodgy scottish accent.
No, I did not watch the episode. I don't watch TTTMU. And all the complaining about the Lauren Faust interview with little mention of anyone else made it sound as if she was almost the sole interviewee.
Quote from: ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 29, 2020, 03:26:22 PMNo, I did not watch the episode. I don't watch TTTMU. And all the complaining about the Lauren Faust interview with little mention of anyone else made it sound as if she was almost the sole interviewee.Ah, okay. Yeah, that's not the case at all. Lauren Faust was interviewed for a few minutes and talked about how she played with the toys as a kid. G1 collector Summer Hayes was interviewed in a similar manner, talking about the various toys. (Favorite line: "This is totally not crack-pipe pony." LOL.)Most of the episode was about the creation of MLP and the contentious disagreement about who was the "real" creator of it (since Bonnie Zacherle and that one vice-president guy both claim credit . . . I totally believe it's Bonnie.) Bonnie got a HUUUGE segment and fully explained her childhood love of ponies and how she designed the first MLPs. They showed her prototype ponies (the natural horse-colored ones) and those beautiful, clear shots are the closest that most of us will get to them unless we're lucky enough to attend a MLP Fair that Bonnie's at.And they also had several designers and sculptors from G1 over the years. Including a guy who was instructed to design the Pretty Parlor and the lady in charge of his department kept coming by, inspecting his work, and instructing him to "pink it up." (I don't think in the literal "color pink" sense but more like add more hearts, make it more bubbly, etc.)It was very insightful and fun!
I thought it was Dream Valley which was a part of Ponyland?
LOL no, it was one of the Soda Sipping ponies.
Quote from: Carrehz on July 29, 2020, 11:43:55 AMI thought it was Dream Valley which was a part of Ponyland?Indeed it was, at the end of "The Return of Tambelon Part 1" Grogar says: "Today Dream Valley, tomorrow all of Ponyland"