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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: NightGliderSA on May 02, 2018, 02:23:58 AM
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Hello Everyone!
So I was on eBay a (long) while ago and I bought Bubblefish from Australia. Because everyone needs her, right? Even if she didn't have her fish any more. One should not hold that against her. Then I sat down to wait very patiently for my nice cousin to bring her out when he came to visit. Fast forward a few months and ... whoops ... one popped up on our local site. She had her fish but had also been chomped on her muzzle. But she still had her fish. So, then there were two. And when they finally met I noticed that there were some differences apart from the fish or lack thereof. One, let's call her Mrs. Aus, is stamped China. And Mrs. SA forgot her stamp at home completely. Is that normal? They are also different shades, but I did put that down to fading.
Can anyone give me some more info on this?
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Huh, she looks to be a 'No Country' pony which is typical of some Spanish Ponies.. but she is not on My Little Wiki's list for the No Country ponies (but it has been proven that the wiki is missing some ponies).
Where did she come from?
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Ooooh another pony mystery
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I can’t offer any advice, but this is quite the mystery.
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She is No Country :) It is believed that they are Spanish (but we don't honestly know for sure as we have not seen the backcards/boxes)
http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=442696
I have seen NC versions that have slightly different hair colours and body colours :) but I am not so up to date with the variations within the China made ponies.
Just to confirm, you got the NC stamped pony locally in South Africa? (this is going back to the discussion we have been having in Nirvana about the various releases)
Love pkw xxx
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Ah, what a neat story!
I had something sort of similar happen to me with Sweet Pocket. I had one who was missing her charm (from a Canadian lot), then later I bought another in the US that was in slightly rougher shape but had her bee. Only when I had them side by side did I find out that Ms. Canada was a NC!
Here are my two, with NC on the left and China on the right:
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(https://flic.kr/p/H7tDJ6)
Please ignore the curly/straight and blue/purple hair, that's just Pocket Pony weirdness. :P
Although it is interesting to see how different sun exposure has affected them. NC's hair is bleached stark white and her flower is yellowed, but her body is still nicely lavender. In comparison, China still has quite pink hair and flower, but her body is yellowed. Between the two of them, I have a nice pony, but what can you do? ^^;
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Tehe I love that Precious Pocket pony weirdness :P my two Bubblefishs have different body- and haircolors, its totally cute I think!
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vs.
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comparison of hair colors :
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(both China girls, just as an example how different these sets ponies can be <3)
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BlushingBlue you found her in Canada?! Thank you for sharing side by side pictures, you can really see the differences (blue vs. Purple stripe)
Einhornbaby they are different too! The two different shades of pink in the mane.
Love pkw xxx
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Well crap, now I'm going to have to dig out my pocket ponies and check their hooves :drunk:
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I've always been fascinated by Pocket Ponies. It's cool seeing all these variations.
I wonder... what does a Pocket Ponies' symbol feel like to them? Does it hurt? :huh:
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I've always been fascinated by Pocket Ponies. It's cool seeing all these variations.
I wonder... what does a Pocket Ponies' symbol feel like to them? Does it hurt? :huh:
I bet it tickles when it rains! ;)
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I've always been fascinated by Pocket Ponies. It's cool seeing all these variations.
I wonder... what does a Pocket Ponies' symbol feel like to them? Does it hurt? :huh:
I bet it tickles when it rains! ;)
And maybe it gets super annoying when their 'pockets' fill up with rainwater? 'Ugh! I have to empty my pocket AGAIN!?'
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She is No Country :) It is believed that they are Spanish (but we don't honestly know for sure as we have not seen the backcards/boxes)
http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=442696
I have seen NC versions that have slightly different hair colours and body colours :) but I am not so up to date with the variations within the China made ponies.
Just to confirm, you got the NC stamped pony locally in South Africa? (this is going back to the discussion we have been having in Nirvana about the various releases)
Love pkw xxx
Oh wow, this is so cool! Thank you everyone :)
Yes pkw, I bought the NC girl here in SA from a trader who buys ponies locally in order to resell. He is not a collector. The poor girl is actually in really good condition but for those chomp marks.
I also bought NC Mommy Apple Delight in SA. She is one of two I have seen for sale.
Thank you for sharing your story BlushingBlue! Cool that this also happened to someone else.
@ Einhornbaby, your ponies are lovely: it is variations like this that 'force us' to have so many doubles in our collections ;)
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I have nothing constructive to add other than that I think it's funny that a few people have charmless pony and then bought one with a charm because just a few hours ago, I was taking a photo for my Instagram account of Sweet Pocket and I thought to myself "I'd really like to get this pony with her charm one day" since the other two in the set that I own I have with their charms.
I think we all start off with the "it doesn't matter that she's missing her charm" and sure enough, a while later it turns to "you are nice and all but I really need one with a charm".
BlushingBlue, I LOVE that you made her charm into a necklace, I'm assuming the string broke or was lost. It's such a cute way to display it.
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@ Einhornbaby, your ponies are lovely: it is variations like this that 'force us' to have so many doubles in our collections ;)
hehe, totally that :D I love these variants!
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Einhornbaby, that bottom Bubblefish variant is so cool! I'm pretty meh on the pocket gimmick itself, but I love all the little variations in this set.
pkw, she was in Canada when I bought her, but the gentleman I got her from also had a Hopscotch in the box, so I'm thinking she could've come from elsewhere originally. She's probably very well traveled!
reddsetgogirl, thanks! She didn't have her string, just the charm, and I didn't want it to get lost. ^.^ And yes, I started out thinking "Her symbol is fine without the bee!" and then gradually I was like "Hmmm..." Then when they were so different from each other, I had to keep both. :lol: That's how they get ya!
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Thank you for your replies BlushingBlue and Nightglider :)
BlushingBlue I'm not too sure on the release pattern in Canada at all. I do know there are differences in the cards as I very recently saw a duel language Canadian release Moonstone MOC.
It's highly possible they have travelled, but I don't have any knowledge on Canada at all. I'm thinking of other places, such as Australia and South Africa which got really kookie releases.
Love pkw xxx
PS I'm hoping Taffeta will see this thread!
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Taffeta has seen the thread ;)
I have to admit, as much as I love threads like this, it makes me a little frustrated because this kind of information is not new.
This subject has come up before, it will come up again, and will continue to come up over and over again until a mainstream ID site takes up the information and includes it.
In any case, something weird happened in manufacture around 1991-2.
We see some of these ponies with NC on their feet but most of the variations are all Chinese. There are many Chinese ponies with the rougher type of hair, predominately (not exclusively) found in Europe.
The general norm is that the ponies sold in the US *normally* (but not always) have the silkier hair. This means that if it's a fading pink shade, mostly the US release will have it. But it isn't a regional exclusive so much as it depends when in production the ponies are going on sale. I have seen some of the pale pink fading hair versions of other sets (eg teeny weeny ponies) in the UK as new on card, so it's not universal. This is the same year of release that gave us the very varied Glowing Magics, and blue haired Pretty Beat and Baby Starbow. All the others from all these sets also have variations albeit nobody bothers about them because they're not on the Wiki.
I assume that the silkier hair ones were sold first, which explains them being in the US more because the US had them first, and the rougher hair ones came out later, and thus mostly ended in Europe. But it's just a theory. There's not been a big enough sample of information to really look at it and most people aren't that interested in this kind of variation.
As Einhorn baby demonstrated beautifully with her Chinese ones, this is not a Nirvana thing really. it's a general weird release variation problem. And it spans, as I said, the whole of the year of release.
And if none of them are on the Wiki, someone has some homework to do ;)
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One image for visual comparison sake. Both China made. The one on the left came in a bait lot from the US. The one on the right I found here in the UK.
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Thank you for posting Taffeta :hug:
What I hoped you'd be interested in was hearing just where the "NC" ponies had cropped up South Africa and *possibly* Canada (along with a Hopscotch!) :) as it kind of follows on from our discussion in the Nirvana forum and the possible South African releases we were discussing there.
What do you mean something funny happened in 1991-1992 :lmao: I thought something weird happened every year.... ;) :P
Information does get "lost" and questions do crop up time and again, with new people joining the world of ponies. We have been around for sometime and understand why there are these difference ;) I am happy that people still ask these questions :D it gives me chance to remind myself of the information :blush: I am never so sure on these sorts of things, it is a little outside my comfort zone/area of knowledge.
Love pkw xxx
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The problem is a bit more fundamental for me. We don't know enough about these NC ponies (we don't even know they're made in Spain) to say anything about them appearing in SA. It's great when one comes up, but I don't want to confuse that with the other discussion and pigeonhole a variation into a location without more detail. And since the one from Canada has fading hair, it's even more difficult to narrow down a release location. Many of the fading hair ones come from North America - but are made in China.
With the Canadian one - the presence of Hopscotch suggests a family who travelled or a relative abroad, so again, it's difficult to make any kind of judgement for me based on that. Again, it's an isolated example. I remember some Canadian collectors talking about looking into Canadian releases some time back, but it didn't happen. Basically without that knowledge, all we have is a pony that came in a lot from Canada. I've found a ton of things here that shouldn;t be in this country. It doesn't mean any of those things were automatically sold here. Nor does it mean they weren't. :)
There is way more odd going on in this release year in terms of inexplicable small production variations than in any other year. Many of the ponies from this year have one or more clear variation. All the rainbow babies. The glowing magic ponies. All the Rockin' Beats bar Sweet Notes. All the Pocket Ponies. I think all the Teeny ponies but only one is really obvious from a photo. These are weirder than other years because there's no logic to them existing. They're basically the same ponies with weird variations that strongly suggest they're being made in different factories, thus possibly different locations, to meet the overall demand. For that reason the NC ones could easily have been scattered across lots of locations. The reason I see this as stand-out is that these aren't ponies being sold on very varied card art. They are mostly being sold on exactly the same kinds of card as each other even if they look completely different. These NC ponies, even if made in Spain, aren't the same as the ones from MB in earlier years. These are ninja NC ponies, if you like - hidden in with the masses waiting to be found, rather than standing out as a line on their own.
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This is very interesting! I never knew of a lot of these variants, including the Precious Pockets and the Teeny Tiny/Weenie babies.
I also have a NC variant of the pink baby pegasus from the Starlight Baby set (name escapes me at the moment.) Is that set included in this?
Ninja NC, I love that!
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It isn't technically but it should be. It is a shade earlier.
I don't know what it is about Baby Mischief but she has a lot of variations. And yes. NC is one of them....good call.
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Thanks Taffeta! Hooray - I have a Ninja Pony!
As pkw mentioned many of us are new on here and I did in fact have a look on Google first before starting this thread. But nothing came up, which is why I asked - so thank you to all those more experience people who Know Stuff and are able to tell us who don't. :)
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Thanks Taffeta! Hooray - I have a Ninja Pony!
As pkw mentioned many of us are new on here and I did in fact have a look on Google first before starting this thread. But nothing came up, which is why I asked - so thank you to all those more experience people who Know Stuff and are able to tell us who don't. :)
To clarify, there's never a problem with answering questions.
My point was aimed more at the fact there's gaps in information websites that people rely on and if there weren't those gaps, these questions would be easier to answer.
That said, two NC Pocket ponies are included in PKW's amazing Arena Gallery of images.
I was making the point that it not being on the Wiki doesn't make it unknown. Not really aimed at you but as a general observation.
I know PKW wouldn't be as tactless as I am, but she's put a lot of hard work into the gallery, and there are at least images there, which indicates they've come up before, and is a starting point for a conversation.
It makes me sad when people overlook the amazing resource the Arena has. I like the Wiki as much as anyone else, but it isn;t exhaustive, it isn't complete, and it isn't always right. People are working really hard on it, but absolutely nobody here knows everything and every single pony. So relying on the Wiki to determine what is and isn't real or known doesn't really work. The Wiki has a ton of great stuff. It doesn't have this one. BUT the Arena Gallery does. Does that make sense?
I guess my point was really about using all the resources available. Not just relying on whether it's on the Wiki. I have nothing against the Wiki, but people used to do that with DV and that's why so much of this stuff that's been known for ages hasn't actually hit the mainstream discussion.
If i phrased that badly, forgive me. Sometimes being tactful and coherent is not my greatest skill.
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It is true what you say Taffeta: I should have also checked the arena gallery and I didn't. Something to improve on in the future for sure.
However I also want to clarify something: I didn't just check The Wiki, I also did a Google search on NC Bubblefish that came up with nothing for some reason. At which stage I started this thread. However I should have started at the gallery, you are correct. Picture me most contrite (insert sad photo here).
On the plus side, hopefully by the thread being around perhaps a few other people have also learnt something and not just me. And, I have had the fun of sharing my ponies because of course we all love to do that, and enjoyed reading a few other awesome pony stories as well AND seen some other amazing pony photo's :)
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Again, as I said before, what I said wasn't directed at you. There was no issue with your question at all.
And it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, just I wanted to underscore the point because of the many responses suggesting it was an unknown phenomena because it wasn't on the mainstream ID site of choice.
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Taffeta and Nightglider :hug:
Love pkw xxx
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It's ok pkw, I'm not upset with Taffeta :)